1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Taylor Swift is getting ready for 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: a performance, not on stage, but in a federal courtroom. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: She's getting ready to take the stand in her civil 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: suit against a radio djh she accuses of groping her 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: during a photo of Swift is being sued by k 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Y g O d J David Mueller. Swift claimed Mueller's 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: hand grabbed her backside inappropriately and his radio station fired him. 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: This TMZ picture showing the two together will be at 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: the center of the trial. Look at where his hand us. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: It's an odd spot. My hand was never under her skirts. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: I never grabbed her. Mueller is asking for millions, Swift 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: just one dollar. It's about women's rights. It's something that's 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: been going on for years, and women are saying enough 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: is enough? Shake it off. I don't want to live 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: forever blank space. The list goes on and on and 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: on a place in this world, all too well, cold 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: as you haunted in a set. I can just name 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: this list forever. I'm talking about massive hits by superstar 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. She's like everybody's sister, everybody's first cousin the 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: Girl next Door, but now she is a major witness 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: in a major trial as superstar Taylor Swift heads to court. 23 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift heading to court any case involving an alleged 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: groping and alleged groping by kind of a star in 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: his own world. I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. 26 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Taylor Swift is headed 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: to court in any case that has made a sensation 28 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: when it hit the news. The pop star has been 29 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: sitting next to her lawyers as they began the process 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: of selecting a jury for a trial. She accused a 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: radio DJ of groping her in the middle of a 32 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: photo shoot. Joining me right now from Radar Online dot 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Alexis Terres Chuck, Alexis, thanks for being 34 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: with us, Alexis. What's so crazy is she's not suing him, 35 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: He's suing her. Do I have it completely bass Ackwards? Well, 36 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: he initially sued her. He said that she got him 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: fired and that she defamed him, that because of her, 38 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: that he lost his hundred and fifty thousand dollar a 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: year DJ job, and that she had trashed his name. 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: But she actually turned around and countersuit him for assault 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: and battery, and she said that she was violated by him. 42 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: That she literally said in court in a deposition that 43 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: he grabbed her ass cheek and she had She's never 44 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: been more shared anything in her life. Okay, so this 45 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: is how it all went down. The DJ David Mueller, 46 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: according to Taylor Swift, slipped his hand up under her 47 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: dress while they posed together at one of her concerts 48 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: back in two thousand thirteen. Now, as Alexis Torez Chuck 49 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: from Radar Online just tells us, Mueller suss first, saying 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Swift's allegation cost him a hundred and fifty thousand dollars 51 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: a year times what ten or twenty as long as 52 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: he thought he was going to be a DJ. She 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: immediately set countersuit in about thirty days, describing the groping 54 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: incident as quote completely intentional. Now you know, also with 55 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: me is a very well known lawyer in his jurisdiction 56 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: and really across the country, Jason Oceans. Jason, when a 57 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: guy lifts his hand up under your skirt and grabs 58 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: your rear end, how can that be un intentional? Nancy, 59 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: It's an intentional act I think the real question is 60 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: the time frame here. This happened two years before the 61 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: suit by Mueller regarding his termination, and then sort of 62 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: it almost seems like, well, you're gonna file a suit 63 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: against me, Taylor Swift says, so I'll file a suit 64 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: against you. Where's the gapping in all of this? That 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: seems to me the bigger question. Okay, I don't know 66 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: what you just said. I think you decided not to 67 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: answer the question. Uh, how can a guy get his 68 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: hand up your scot and grab your rear in give 69 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: it a squeeze and that'd be an intentional That was 70 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: my question. Although I admire the fancy footwork that you 71 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: just displayed, I don't know what you said something about 72 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: time passing and a gap. I don't know. Now back 73 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: to the question, how can that be unintentional? Jason? In 74 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: and of itself, it's it's got to be an intentional act, 75 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: right if you're particularly grabbing, unless your hand is around 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: and someone moves and it slides down. But I sure 77 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: the actual tord of grabbing what you got your hand 78 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: around and someone moves and it slides down. Okay, don't 79 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: you have to go up the skirt and then squeeze. 80 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: How do you wait a minute? What the slides down 81 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: the groper? Per se? But I imagine if you're grabbing 82 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: hold of something in particular, you're grabbing hold of it, 83 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: aren't you? Oh, it was something in particular, all right, 84 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: hand around the way somebody moves it's the photo shoot. 85 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: Maybe someone misconstrues that. I'm more concerned about the time 86 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: frame here that gapping of the act. Wait wait, wait, wait, 87 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: somebody misconstrues what if a guy puts his hand up 88 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: my skirt and grabs my rear reend. Let me tell 89 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: you something. He's gonna put out a hand to pull 90 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: back a nub. Okay, I think we all understand that. 91 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: Now let's take a look at this picture that's more concerning. Look, 92 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: let me just say I love Taylor Swift. Okay, we 93 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: dance to it. We have dance party almost every night 94 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: before the twins go to sleep, because I find Jason 95 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: that really helps calm them down before they go to sleep. 96 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: Creak up, Taylor Swift on Alex, I mean, you know 97 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: the twins? Ps, how are your children? Don't tell me 98 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: how old they are? Might startling, And I won't tell 99 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: you because we'll all start crying. Oh man, oh, I 100 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: guess you're not having dance parties at night in my 101 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: own head, in my own head, just to my own hand. 102 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: But here's the issue. I'm going to get back to 103 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: your alleged gap problem, which I don't see a problem. 104 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: She was gonna let it go, not say anything, and 105 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: just be irritated the way most victims do. Uh, they 106 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: just keep on going. You know, it didn't happen. It 107 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: didn't happen. Gotta keep going until he sues her. And 108 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: boy does he have a tiger by the tail now 109 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: he can't hold on and he can't let go. So 110 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: we'll get back to your gap issue. But here's an 111 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: issue that I have, and I see the issue. And 112 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: as you know, Jason Oceans, when you go to trial, 113 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: you've got to not only prepare your case, but you 114 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: have to be ready for their case to shoot it down. One. 115 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Remember Ronald Reagan came up with that Space Wars thing 116 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: where we're gonna shoot down incoming missiles. Boy was he right? Okay, 117 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: but uh, you've got to be ready to shoot down 118 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: their case. Here's the problem for her. Okay, have you 119 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: seen the picture of the photo shoot where it allegedly happened. 120 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: She's smiling, She's like, everything's fine. I have an answer 121 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: for this. Here's my answer. This was before the incident, 122 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: like right before when that when that camera clicked. But 123 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be an issue. What do you think? Well, everything, 124 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: it's all about timing. I mean you you look, there's 125 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: a photo shoot, there's a security team there, and certainly 126 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: the public, uh you know, is surrounding that to the 127 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: extent even though it's backstage, there are people they're observing that. 128 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: I imagine if if if my uh my backside was 129 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: like it, I'd get out a scream or a shriek 130 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: or something like that. I wouldn't tolerate that and be 131 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: involved in a smile and he plays any time. I've 132 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: got something for you. I just pulled the picture up again, 133 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,119 Speaker 1: White Jackie. Come look at this. I've got my friend 134 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: Nina Jackie and man not Jackie in the studio. Look 135 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: at this picture, y'all. Look at this picture. It's like 136 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: his hand is on her rear end. Look at this picture. 137 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: I see I was looking at her smile, her quasi smile. 138 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: But look look look she's like thank you? Is she 139 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: really grabbing earned like through her gritted teeth. Look at 140 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: his hand. People, and I actually have a man in 141 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: the studio. What can you say about that? Mr? Man? Okay? Yeah, 142 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: and we we can't even that's three witnesses. Jay Alexis 143 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: terres Chuk wants saying, go ahead, Alexis jumping. You know. 144 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: I focused on her smile, but there's a lot more 145 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: in this picture. Alexis and her body language speaks so 146 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: much so describing the pictures. She is standing next to 147 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: Mueller's girlfriend. Those two are as close as can be. 148 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: They clear, you know they are straining away, Yes, she does. 149 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: She is so far away from him and you can 150 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: see his arm. It's absolutely right on her rear. And 151 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: so I think that she's stepped away from But she's professional. 152 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: She has taken probably millions of pictures with people. I've 153 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: actually been in one of these meet and greets with her, 154 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and it's so fast, you go right through. But she 155 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: says a couple of words to you. She looks you 156 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: right in the eye. She's lovely. But she did take 157 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: action immediately. She told her photographer and her security guard 158 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: that he had attacked her, and they waite, white, white, 159 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: I want to get back to that okay, Jason, I 160 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: was with you. I was going to come back to 161 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: the issue of the gap time. Okay, but point the incident, 162 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the alleged incident. He has not been convicted, he has 163 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: not been found civilly responsible, and just put that out 164 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: there were striking a jury right now. But that gap 165 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: is a problem. And I've had that gap problem between 166 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: the incident and the reporting in other cases, for instance, 167 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: um sex assault cases. If there's a gap period between 168 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: the incident and the time the victim reports, that, the 169 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: defense has a field day as if it didn't happen. 170 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: And I get it that that's a chink in the armor. 171 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means there's a 172 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: gap that you've got to deal with. But what Alexis 173 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: is saying right now may address your valid point, Jason Oceans, 174 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: go go ahead with what you're saying. She said immediately 175 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: after Alexis, just tell me the whole thing, and I'll 176 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: try not to interrupt. So they take the picture click click, 177 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: he leaves. She says that she immediately went to her 178 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: and her security guard she obviously always has a lot 179 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: of security around her for reasons just like this, and 180 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: told them that he had groped her, and so they 181 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: tracked him down like they had given him tickets, so 182 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: they knew where he was the security team and actually 183 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: had him thrown right out of the concert immediately. She 184 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: did take I hate to say swift action, but she 185 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: did take swift action. And then her mother who's a 186 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: part of her management team, and not like that. Here 187 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: we'll take We'll take anything you know you can give us. 188 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: So I'll go with the swift action. And then her 189 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: mother who was part of her management team. Taylor keeps 190 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: everything in the house. They called the radio station the 191 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: next day and and complained about him. They said, you know, 192 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: he groped Taylor on purpose. He grabbed her under her dress. 193 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: She couldn't get away from him, and they were very 194 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: unhappy about this, and they wanted to complain about it. 195 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: He was fired two days later. What's interesting, Jason Oceans, 196 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: is she could have proceeded with a Okay, couldn't she 197 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: with a simple assault or simple battery? Of course, and 198 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: and and again you're right, this is not a criminal case. 199 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: This is a civil case. But listen, he she couldn't 200 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: get away. He's now got a vice script so tight 201 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: like a clamp that she can't even get away. I mean, 202 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: come on, now, for the moment. I mean, if someone 203 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: grabs someone, your instant reaction, if you're uncomfortable with it, 204 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: is to get away, to move. I don't care how 205 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: many you know shots you've taken. If something happens that's uncomfortable, 206 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is, you move, you get away, you do something, 207 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: you don't just sit there. And I agree with you. 208 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: I agree with you. But Alexis, let's address what he's saying. 209 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: That's another valid point he's raising. And these points are 210 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: going to be raised at trial by the defense, So 211 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: I might as well grab the bull by the horns 212 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: suit weing do with it. Think about Alexis, if she 213 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: had had that reaction, that would have been fodder so 214 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: or tabloids. Uh, it would have been her face flashed 215 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: on every screen with distorted complaining, screaming, reacting. And Jason 216 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: is right. I mean, I can still remember the first 217 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: time a guy grabbed my rear end and I was 218 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: in high school. I was a cheerleader, and we we 219 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: had to spend not only the whole pe having pe, 220 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: but then another hour doing cheerleading. So we had to 221 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: were sent into the weight room and a guy in there, 222 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: football player, grabbed my rear end and I turned around 223 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: and swatted him so hard and stomped out. And I 224 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: was just a girl. I didn't even know what I 225 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: was doing. You know, It's just a natural reaction, Alexis. 226 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that one and four women have been 227 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: in some way molested one in four, it is, And 228 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift to have it happened with photographers and 229 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: security guards standing there, she was shocked, and she said 230 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: that she wanted to keep it quiet and discreet, which 231 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: is why she handled it with the radio station. But 232 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: when he sued her, she fired right back and she said, 233 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: you know what, I am doing this for every woman 234 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: out there who has been assaulted. She said, I want 235 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: women to know that they should report this, they should 236 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: defend it, and they should not feel guilty for it, 237 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: because it's not their fault. If she tried. I think 238 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: that you can see in that picture that she is 239 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: scooting as far away from him as she can. What's 240 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: she gonna do start screaming and twirling around. She's got 241 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: a concert to perform. Yeah, you know what, Ella Duke? 242 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: Ella Duke text this photo? Wait, I can actually do 243 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: it myself. Jason, You've got to see this photo, this 244 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: particular photo. Can you pull it up or can I 245 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: text it to you right now? You have dimensional? Are 246 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: they from the roof? Now? This this particular photo marks 247 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: anniversary of the Summer of Sam. To mark the occasion, 248 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: Pocketbooks is proud to release a special anniversary edition E 249 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: book of Son of Sam by Lawrence D. Klausner. 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So to you, Jason Oceans, right now, 266 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: they're striking a jury, and to me that was one 267 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: of the most nerve racking but one of the most 268 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: enjoyable time at the same time of a jury trial, 269 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: because what you do when you strike a jury vo dire, 270 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: which coincidentally is French for to speak the truth vodre, 271 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: And you would I would bring in a panel of 272 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: a hundred or more people never seen him before, hopefully, 273 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: and first they all answered general questions and our jurisdiction. 274 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: The district attorney or the lead the Planktiffs lawyer would 275 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: start and ask general questions like do you all live 276 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: in the jurisdiction or any of you convicted felons? Blah 277 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: blah blah, And then each lawyer has a go at 278 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: general questions that people raise their hands, and then individual 279 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: was ire where you ask each individual person questions. That's 280 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: what they're doing right now, right Jason, Yes, although I 281 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: like to say it in my cousin Vinny bois dear 282 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: but nonetheless, yeah, you're bringing in your whole, your whole agement. 283 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: It really was your cousins as you're from Jersey. Yeah, 284 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: well originally from Brooklyn, but close enough. I'm coming. Hey, 285 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: well we got that on the records. That good Brooklyn. Uh, 286 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: you know, sixty perspective jurors doesn't seem like enough to 287 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: go through of who really doesn't want to be on 288 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift trial. I mean they've never heard of her. 289 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: And you know, some of the motivations of jurors are hidden, 290 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: and you've got to be a psychologist or psychiatrist to 291 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: try and fish out what's really only on. So at 292 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: least you're getting a level playing field of you know, 293 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to get your point across and 294 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: someone's not going to be clouded by Uh. I'm on 295 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: a famous trial and I can't wait to write a 296 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: book once this is all over. That's the toughest part 297 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: in this one. I would love to be on this jury. 298 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: See I would. I just expect Taylor Swifted just breakout 299 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: in song at any moment. Um. Okay, here we go. 300 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: Jury selection for this trial of a former Denver DJ 301 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: David Mueller versus Taylor Swift has kicked off, it said 302 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: the Alfred A. A. Raj Courthouse in Denver. Now Mueller 303 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: accused Swift of fabricating an incident where he allegedly if 304 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: I have failed to say allegedly at any point during today, 305 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: it's alleged it has not been proved where he says 306 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: her complainant caused him to be fired, and he wants 307 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: three million dollars in damages from Taylor Swift. We expect 308 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift to take this stand now. She turned around 309 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: as alexus to rest. Chuck told us and countersued him 310 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: for assault in battery, saying he put his hand up 311 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: her dress and grabbed a rear end. Details will be 312 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: aired in court over the next nine days. We believe 313 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: it will take nine days. Jason, why why did lawyers 314 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: always lie? You know, I've never had one one defense lawyer, 315 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: not once. The State of the judge will ask at 316 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: the beginning, Miss Grace, how long will your case take? 317 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: And I will say it will take approximately two weeks 318 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: of the state to put up its case. Defense how 319 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: long four or five weeks? You're on and we have 320 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: so much I'm like, right, it'll be like to you 321 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: gotta keeping that you got all the resources on the 322 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: government side, sort of got to give you a time 323 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: for him to keep all your people and paralegals and 324 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: and everybody else on the government payroll. Sharp, don't we, 325 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: oh Jason, the power of the state. That would be 326 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: me and my broken down Honda out at midnight delivering 327 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: some penis and a housing project. And I'd just like 328 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: to add that at the red light, smoke would be 329 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: pouring out from under my hood. Okay, So back to you, 330 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: Alexis Terres chuck Radar online dot com, which is a 331 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: whole another can of worms. I have to go there 332 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: for all my Tory spelling news um so swift Swift 333 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: shows up in court Monday through a side entrance wearing 334 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: a white dressed in a black jacket. Of course, all 335 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: the news outlets have to discuss what she's wearing. Why 336 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: don't know? She could wear a sack or, as we say, 337 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: a croaker sack and should still look awesome. One jury 338 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: has already refused himself on grounds of having friends who 339 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: are sexually assaulted. Okay, can I just tell you, Alexis, 340 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: Did I tell you that. I think it was last 341 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: year I got called for jury duty. Did I tell 342 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: you that? Oh? Yes, And it was an armed robbery 343 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: in a waffle house, a place very dear to my 344 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: heart and my family's heart and act we love it 345 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: so much. They gave us all Christmas smugs last year. 346 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Now back to the trial. Every time, Jason, I was 347 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: the nightmare jer or every time, has anyone already formed 348 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: an opinion? Right? Hand up? Absolutely? Does anybody think this 349 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: guy did it? Right? Hand up? And I p s. 350 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I was standing right in front of the defendant, looking 351 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: right at him every time I raised my hand and 352 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: just look at him. I mean he pulled a gun 353 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: and held it in the nose of a waffle house. 354 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: A waitress. I don't like that, Jason, do not like that. 355 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: I was a waitress once. Okay, So I raised my 356 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: hand on every question and I still was still sitting 357 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: on the jury at five thirty. Okay, I nearly missed 358 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: my show that night. I finally did. And to make 359 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: matters worse, the judge was somebody I wants to prosecuted with. Okay, 360 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: And a long story short, I finally did get off 361 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: the jury, and he played guilty. Probably because he's watched 362 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: me stare at him for eight straight hours, raising my 363 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: hand every time they asked, do you think he's guilty? 364 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: But they're striking a jury, how can they possibly get 365 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: an impartial jury? Jason Oceans, Well, that's that's a great question. 366 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: My best story of being called for jury duty and 367 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: I'm in the pool, and you know, same type of question, 368 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: form an opinion, I said, form an opinion, I said, 369 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: you better make me the jury foreman. I'll take care 370 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: of the rest of them. We'll get just as quick. 371 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: I was gone in about five minutes. That was the 372 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: best answer I thought anyone had ever given. Leave me 373 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: in charge of this. They had no interest defense counsel 374 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: and having me on that pool. But Alexander Haig, I'm 375 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: in charge. I'm in charge. Okay, question. You know that's 376 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: what happened to me on a New York jury panel. 377 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Do you remember that time, Jason Oceans, I was yet 378 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: gnashing my teeth and pulling my hair because I was 379 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: gonna miss some trial to go to jury duty, and 380 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: I was crying to you about it. In anyway, I 381 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: ended up was there part of the day. I gave 382 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: a question an answer very much like that, and for 383 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: some reason they just threw me right off. I can't 384 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: imagine why so, but but the reality is Jason seriously 385 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: striking a jury, which is what's happening right now in 386 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift trial. We don't expect people not to 387 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: have heard about the case. But the question is, even 388 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: if they have heard about it, whether they can base 389 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: their verdict on what they hear in the courtroom and 390 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: be fair to both sides. That is the issue, not 391 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: whether they watch TV or read their iPad. You want 392 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: to write. You want to sift through exactly, you want 393 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: to sit through to see that there are those people, 394 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: notwithstanding anything or just they're just good people and they're 395 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna take their civic responsibilities, you know, very focusedly 396 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: and listen to the judge and all the all the 397 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: questions surrounding that and be able to come through and 398 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: and and be honest. And people are you know, they 399 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: take these responsibilities quite seriously. You just want to make 400 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: sure you're finding the right people who are doing that. 401 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: And you know that's why there are you know, jury 402 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: consultants and you know veteran attorneys who've done this, and 403 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: you want to you know, really feel that you're scoped 404 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: out and you got your best shot and getting your 405 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: point across without someone with predetermined agendas regardless of what 406 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: they are. Hey, let's go out to the lines. Alexis 407 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: Terrest check with me, Jason Ocean, straight out to the lines. Joe, Hello, Joe, 408 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: what's your question about the Taylor Swift trial. You know, 409 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: I've been loving the story because finally, finally, finally, with 410 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: all the crime and missing people you've discussed over the years, 411 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: and I've been following you since Court TV, all of 412 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: a sudden, You've got a serious matter here. I have 413 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: some personal experience I got when I was five years old. 414 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: I bet you do well when I must confess. When 415 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: I was five years old, I had a little blond girlfriend. 416 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: I don't really ever remember putting my hand on her. 417 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't think I like where this is going. But 418 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: as go ahead, as time wore on um and I 419 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: should I don't know if I should be coming going 420 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: up for Taylor Swift or down for Swift Taylor Swift. 421 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: But as time went on, there were a few times 422 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: that I happened to put my hand on someone's behind, 423 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: but never in public, but never to dress. I mean 424 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't it was uncouth. Now I looked at the 425 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: picture of of that more, it's a it's a it's 426 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: a a simple assault. It's not just uncouth. And I'd 427 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: like to ask you a couple of questions, Joe, how 428 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: did your hand and up on somebody's behind because I 429 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: was I was crazy about the girls women, and and 430 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, it didn't happen. Maybe it should be without 431 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: grabbing their rearms. I didn't grab it. I just put 432 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: my hand nicely on top of their skirt or whatever 433 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: they who are wearing and in in public. I have 434 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: an issue with what with what Joe was saying. You know, true, 435 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 1: this is not a murder. The point is that if 436 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: you look at that picture, if that is some at 437 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: that moment that he is supposed to have in his 438 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: hand up her dress, the dress does not look like 439 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: it's distended. It looks like, yes, he had his hand 440 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: behind her, but I could not see that that the 441 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: dress was was sort of distended. True, it's not a murder. 442 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: It's not an assault. That's I mean as in a 443 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: serious sex assault such as rape. But this is just 444 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: one of the things, one of the incidents that women 445 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: and others have had to put up with for years 446 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: and grin and bear it and not say anything. And 447 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: I think that's wrong. And if this did happen, he 448 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: needed to be fired. And frankly, if this did happen, 449 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: I believe he should have been prosecuted criminally because you 450 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: do not go up to a lady, regardless of what 451 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: she looks like or what others may think of her, 452 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: and grab her in her private parts. You don't do that, period, 453 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: end of story. That is why in our society we 454 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: have rules, rules that we live by, and that and 455 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: the thumb, it's what sets us aside from the animals 456 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: out in the jungle that we have rules. We have 457 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: a society where the weak are protected against those more 458 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: powerful or more cunning than they are. And you may say, wow, 459 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: tell Or Swifts a multi millionaire, she's a super are 460 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: Yes she is. But in this case she is just 461 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: like every other woman that gets groped or harassed at 462 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: the workplace or wherever. And if these allegations are true, 463 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: he deserved to be fired and a whole lot more. Okay, 464 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: as we are underway in the Taylor Swift jury selection, 465 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: Voi Dyer, who do you think alexis toures Chuck, they're 466 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: gonna put on this jury. Well, I think it is 467 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: not gonna be Taylor's peers, because those are gonna be 468 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: everybody who listens to her music and who knows her. 469 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna maybe a lot of older 470 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: people and a lot of people that really aren't fans 471 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: of Taylor's Who else are they going to find if 472 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: the jury questions are are you a fan of Taylor Swift? 473 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: Have you ever streamlined? Streamed her music? Have have you 474 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: watch any sort of videos? And this is one of 475 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: the most popular stars in the world. This is gonna 476 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: be really hard. Well, haven't you watched her videos? For 477 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: feete's sake? Have you never watched the videos? Probably all 478 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: of Taylor videos. I'm a huge fan, So I'm not 479 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: going to be on the jury. Well we do what what? Well, 480 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. How are you going to get anybody 481 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't know about Taylor Swift or hasn't watched her videos? 482 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we know all the words by heart, well 483 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: most of them. Anyway, Hey, what about this when Taylor 484 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Swift takes the stand? Okay, they're gonna try and allege 485 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: that she fabricated this incident. All right, Jason, what do 486 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: we know about Teller Swift that they can use against her? 487 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: Because her team needs to be ready for that. Do 488 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: you think they can use stories she's written for songs 489 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: about relationships and somehow we've that into ammunition against her. 490 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: Certainly anything is going to be part of it from there. 491 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: And I think the gapping I said that in the 492 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: beginn any you know, she wants to serve as an 493 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: example that other women who are gonna you know, resist 494 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: publicly reliving these similar outrageous and humiliating acts. And that's 495 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: her quote. Uh, then why not, you know, if you're 496 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: the champion of women, why why wait until you're sued 497 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: to respond and then go all at it? If this 498 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: happened and and you are that champion, then then where 499 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: were you? Certainly had a platform, I mean the d 500 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: J Jackson Ueler and you know that shouldn't be intimidating 501 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: to the Taylor Swift team. Uh, shouldn't have been then, 502 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, sending your sending your security team to throw 503 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: her out. That's not enough? What Jason, are you sitting down? 504 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: Are you an election sitting down? Because I gotta tell 505 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: you something you may need to lay down for this one. 506 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: Forget sitting down. Um. Have you ever noticed that some 507 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: juries go back in the jury room when they come 508 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 1: up with a completely crazy conspiracy theory about what happened 509 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: where there's no evidence whatsoever to support it. Okay, like 510 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: maybe the drug gang, the Hawaiian drug gang kill Lacy Peterson, 511 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. One juror has already been 512 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: ruled out by Judge Martinez at the request of Swiss 513 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: legal team because he confesses he's looked at the leaked 514 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: photo and he thinks the photo has been altered. He 515 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: thinks the photo has been photoshopped and altered. So here 516 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: we go. Here we go with the conspiracy theories. And 517 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: I can oh, I can only imagine what else it 518 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: is going to come out of this whole thing, what 519 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: other theories? Hold on? Guys, I'm going back to the line. 520 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: Here's Angela and Columbia, Tennessee. Hig here, he just made 521 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: me the happiest person in the whole wide world. Love 522 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: you so much. I watch you all the time. Girl. 523 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: What's happening? What's going on in Columbia, Tennessee? Here? Hey, 524 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a funny feeling you might be 525 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: able to stirt things up. Um, Angela, what do you 526 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: think about this trial? I think for as being um 527 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: in her situation before or if not worse, I think 528 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: it's good for her to speak up. But I want 529 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: to know why she didn't have no painting though. Wait, 530 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: I did not know she didn't have on underwear. Whoa, 531 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: this is a whole new fat she was It was 532 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: hold on Jackie is like whirling around in a circle 533 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: in her chair with with wheels on it. She's holding 534 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: up a sign at me, This says Thong h O 535 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: n G. I can only assume. Are you saying she 536 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: had on song underwear anal floss? Okay, that counts is underwear? Well? 537 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: I what I read? What I read, Nancy, Well, what 538 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: I read was it was bare but and I don't 539 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: know to me that was be that she didn't have 540 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: panties on it. And if you're walking around no pay zone, 541 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: then that's not very good anyways. Way? Is there something wrong? 542 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: Either way? I don't think anybody has any wrong. There's 543 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: something wrong with going commando? Did I miss something? Well no, no, 544 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: nobody asked such a The whole oceans hold on just 545 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: a monment we're talking about ladies underwear here. Okay, hold on, 546 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: let's just go back to the whole commando thing, because 547 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: I have recently found out John David has been running 548 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: around without underwear, possibly the whole summer, because I haven't 549 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: washed you for like two weeks. I'm like, John David, 550 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: where is your underwear? And he ran away laughing. Okay, 551 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: and so in addition to wearing his underwear inside out 552 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: and backwards all summer, Alexas, this is something fun for 553 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: you to look forward to when your baby gets about 554 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: two years older. I don't get it. What is it 555 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: with boys? But you know, that's a whole another, that's 556 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms. I can't. I have 557 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: to be a shrink note not just one shrink. I 558 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: need a whole team from Vienna to figure that thing out. 559 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: But hold on, hold on, back to Taylor Swift. It's 560 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: my you know, let's go to the underwear expert. Alexis 561 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: to Rez Chuck with a Radar online dot com. I 562 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: think both things can be true, which is what my 563 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: old judge, Judge Luther Albertson, would tell a jury every 564 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: jury trial. It is your duty to make all witnesses 565 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: speak the truth and in p and perjury to no one. 566 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: In other words, can all both be true and nobody's lying? 567 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: And I say yes it can. I think Angela and Columbia, 568 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: Tennessee can be right that it was bare skin and 569 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: she could be wearing a thong in that Alexis you 570 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: take it from here totally right. She could have been 571 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: wearing a thong and could be one of the you know, 572 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: a ski skinpy one. It doesn't even have to be 573 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny g string. It could have a little 574 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: bit more. But you still have thinking about him putting 575 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: his hand on her. M okay, and she has a 576 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: dress on and his hand shouldn't be blow her clothes 577 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: at any time ever. Should let me touching her period 578 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: except smiling for a photo of maybe putting his arm 579 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: around her waist or around her shoulder for the photo. 580 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: So okay, back to Angela, Angela, I think we have 581 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: solved the thong versus commando issue. What else do you 582 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: think about the trial? First of all, what's your favorite song? 583 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: Mike Taylor Swift? Taylor Swift, Um hang on the new 584 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: the one that was in um uh fifty side the growing. 585 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I did not see that because it's not Disney. Okay, now, 586 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: any Kidney, it's been that long since you've seen a movie? 587 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: What girl? U uh? The new one, the new one, 588 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: that the second one, the reboot. Okay, Sadly I did 589 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: not see that either. Okay, but I did rent Around 590 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: the World in Eighty Days Night Before Last, which is 591 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: a Disney movie, and forced the twins to watch it. 592 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: They loved it. Okay. So there was a Taylor Swift 593 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: song in that movie, yeah, the opening. Yeah, thats what alexis. 594 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to live forever. 595 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: Well I do, because I've got to make sure I 596 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: get children to graduate school and married, et cetera. So yes, 597 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: I'll go with that living for everything. But you know 598 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: the one I like is haters gonna hate, hate, hate hate. 599 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: Oh I heard Jason singing along, so somebody has been listening. Sorry, guys, 600 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: just a little detour, Just a little detour in the trial. 601 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: So back to your original question, Angela Columbia, Tennessee. Who 602 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: do you think they're going to put on the jury? 603 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm kind of uh iffy now because 604 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: the guy got kicked off, so I don't know what's 605 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Now, but read while I got to that 606 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,479 Speaker 1: she's only asking for one dollar, which shows that she's 607 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: trying to make a statement and a point at about 608 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: what happened to her, which is good because she don't 609 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: need the money anyways. And yeah, I believe you should go. 610 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: She should do be doing what she's doing because it's 611 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: only right for her and every other female. And here's 612 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: the other thing, Angela, Angela, what about this? This woman 613 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: is probably losing so much money by having to come 614 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: to court every day, ma'am. She can't be making appearances, 615 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: she can't be going doing all the things she does. 616 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: She's this is a hit for her, and she's making 617 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: would set to make one dollar? Jackie, you're holding up 618 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: a sun that says money going to charity? Which man? 619 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,479 Speaker 1: But the one dollar Alexia supposed? The truth is she's suing. 620 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: She is it one dollar or money to charity? What's 621 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: the truth? One dollars in the court documents, but the 622 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: jury I just read it for more, Jackie, You wrong, Okay, 623 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the forum. Yes, that's the way we say. 624 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen any pictures related to the lawsuit? 625 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: Have you formed any opinion? Do you have an opinion? 626 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: Of Mueller. Do you have an opinion of Taylor Swift? 627 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: Do you listen to Denver area country radio. This guy 628 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: could be a little bit of a celeb in his 629 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: own area. Some people may know him in that area 630 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: more than they know Taylor Swift, So that's something for 631 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: them to take into account. Um. Have you intentionally listened 632 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: to tell Or Swift through a free online service? Have 633 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: you paid money to download her? Have you read articles 634 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: about her? I've read a ton of articles on writerar 635 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: online dot com. So, Alexis, did you say her mother 636 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,959 Speaker 1: is her manager? Her mother is part of her management team. 637 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: She keeps everything in house. It's it's all the Taylor 638 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: Swift corporation. She doesn't have outside policist or manager. She 639 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: keeps everything in house. So it was her mother that 640 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: contacted the radio station and told them about Mr Mueller 641 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: and complained about what happened after, you know, he was 642 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: kicked out of the concert, he didn't get to stayed 643 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: and watching his girlfriend were kicked out, and they complained 644 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: and then he lost his job. Now the police. The 645 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: police were not called, according to reports, because Taylor Swift 646 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: and wanted to keep the whole situation quote discreet, and 647 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: quiet and confidential. I wonder why, why do you think 648 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: that was Alexis Why do you think she did not 649 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: bring police in on it. I think that she was 650 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: probably embarrassed. Right, this man has grabbed her. She has 651 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: every protection in place in the world, right she she 652 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: lives with security guards, she has people around her at 653 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: all times, and still this man was able to grab her. 654 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: And there was nothing she could do. She was in 655 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: the middle of a photo shoot with all of her guests. 656 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: Then she had to go up on stage and perform. 657 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: She had a job to do. She was in the 658 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: middle of her job, with very tight scheduled job, and 659 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: it was embarrassing, and so she wanted to handle it 660 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: very quietly. And the man waited two years before he 661 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: decided to make it publo Um Jason otions. One could 662 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: argue that he was seeking attention by filing this lawsuit. 663 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: His lawyer, Gabriel McFarlane actually argued Jason Ocean in previous 664 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: hearings that Mueller was the victim of mistaken identity. How 665 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: can that be. He's in a photo with her and 666 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: she immediately complained to her staff and had him kicked 667 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: out of the concert. How can it be? Mistaken identity 668 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: was that a big boo boo was the girlfriend who 669 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: was in the picture who grabbed who grabbed Taylor. That's 670 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: not uncommon in today's society, women grabbing women, men grabbing men. 671 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what his attorneys, you know, intent was 672 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: to create that idea. I'm still too focused on the 673 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: champion of women's rights and at the moment, and it's 674 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: two years later. In in in response, you know, seemingly, uh, 675 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: try to blame the girlfriend. Did you just try to 676 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: blame the girls? I was following? He gave me, Nancy, 677 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: you're taking identity. If there's three people in the picture, 678 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: you know, who else could it have been besides him? 679 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: Or he meant I thought he meant by that that 680 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: it was some other person that had taken a photo 681 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: with her, and she mistakenly, in retrospect, thought it was 682 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: him and not some other deaths. Here's a little news flash. 683 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: Women have been grabbing other women's rarians for a really 684 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: long time. Okay, it's not something new, but just so 685 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: you know, that gives you something fun to think about. 686 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: Jason Ocean, Well, it's also no different when a woman 687 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: is pregnant who touches the pregnant woman. Men men, Men 688 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: are less likely to do that than women. So I 689 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: don't know whose hand was on there. I don't know 690 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: in the moment of the photo shooting backstage and the 691 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: timeline in our own head, I don't know what was 692 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: going on or what counsel was thinking. But sure you know, 693 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: as a defense attorney, it's all about reasonable doubt, and 694 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: that's that's what although in this case it's it's not 695 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: the same standard because it's not a criminal case. But 696 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: as we saw with O J. But nonetheless, you gotta 697 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: work with everything you can to manipulate the jury to 698 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: your thoughts. You're on first name basis with Oreenthal James 699 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: Simpson again, I see, okay, you know what, Jason otions 700 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: That's why I love you because you say things like 701 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: maybe it was the girlfriend that grabbed Taylor swifzero en 702 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: or um what was that other thing you said the 703 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: gap time? See see Alexisy, I would never have thought 704 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: that it could have been the girlfriend, or probably no 705 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: reasonable thinking Gerard would think that. But see that's where 706 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: that's why we have defense attorney's Alexis Torres. And one 707 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: of the things though about this case is what you 708 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: were saying, is this guy Mueller has actually said there 709 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: was somebody else in the maiden greet that is the 710 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: one that grabbed Taylor's butt, and then it wasn't him 711 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: and she confused him with this other man. Right, Okay. 712 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: Jury selection underway as we wait to find out what 713 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: happens in the Taylor Swift rear in grab trial. Jason Oceans, 714 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 1: Alexis tres Chuck, Alan Diuke, Everyone, thank you for being 715 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: with us, but especially to you for being with us 716 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 1: here on serious x M seeking justice. Nancy Grace signing off, 717 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,