1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous twenty five year 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: old woman with a bright future ahead of her, Sydney 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Sutherland goes missing while jogging near her own home. In 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: the last hours developments in the case of jogger Sydney Sutherland. 5 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I mean, Nancy Grace, this 6 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 7 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: on Fox Nation in serious XM one eleven. First of all, 8 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. Hey, we well save her 9 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: call yesterday afternoon late that Sydney sotoman was missing. We 10 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: started out, we got to scene, and we've been working 11 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: pretty much all night. We did finally break it down 12 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: about two o'clock this morning just for safety concerns because 13 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: of the darkness. Got started back this morning. Between seven 14 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: thirty and eight. We've had multiple agencies show up an 15 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: offer assistance. We've had Jonesboro PD, Truman PD, Newport PD, 16 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Tuckerman State Police, US Marshall's FBI pretty much the whole 17 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: game and they're currently on scene right now helping out 18 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: with that. We're looking at not only on the ground, 19 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: we've had air services also from Survival Flight out of Baseball. 20 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: They brought two helicopters over this morning. Our saw State 21 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: Police brought their chopper out last night and again this morning. 22 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: They're currently flying grid searches now grid searches, plane searches, 23 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: searches on foot searches with tracro jogs. But all the while, 24 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: did someone close to the family know the whereabouts of 25 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland? Listened to Sheriff Davy Lucas. We have the 26 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: only thing we know of right now is we have 27 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: a confirmed sighting of her at around between two thirty 28 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: and three o'clock yesterday afternoon in the area of Jackson 29 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: County Road forty one, which is just north and kind 30 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: of west of her residence. She was on foot, out 31 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: walking and jogging. We received that information from a UPS 32 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: driver this morning that saw her. We're kind of concentrating 33 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: on that general area and then more information pours in. 34 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: Had Sydney been working out at a local gem which 35 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: raises all sorts of possibilities. I can listen to logan 36 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: Wheelie and cut a kai. Plenty of people are still 37 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: out and about looking for twenty five year old Sydney Sutherland. 38 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: Here's what we learned from Sheriff David Lucas. This morning. 39 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Jackson County authorities and volunteers search late into Wednesday night 40 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: searching for the twenty five year old. Sheriff Lucas says 41 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't have any solid leads on or whereabouts other 42 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: than that she was seen last or Wednesday afternoon as 43 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: a ups driver saw her near County Road forty one. 44 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: Sheriff Lucas says he's leaving no stone unturned and trying 45 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: to find her. We're working every aspect we can think of, 46 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: and then the search takes a different turn. Take a 47 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: listen to Katie Woodall, Kai and ar cut Nine, those 48 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: close to Sydney confirming just a few minutes ago that 49 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: the body discovered today was hers. This is coming from 50 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Sydney's boyfriend's parents. They said the family was told the 51 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: body discovered today was Sydney's. They also said an arrest 52 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: has been made in this case. Now. We are working 53 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: to get official confirmation from Sheriff David Lucas, but he 54 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: has not released new information since this afternoon when that 55 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: body was discovered. Again, this is from Sydney's boyfriend's parents. 56 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: They've taken to social media to let those following this 57 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: case know that it was Sydney's body found today and 58 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: an arrest was made. Logan Whaley is on the scene 59 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: at the family's home. He says the Sheriff's office has 60 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: shown back up with me an all star panel to 61 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First 62 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: of all, special guest Mitch McCoy joining us from KAARK four, 63 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: Fox sixteen News. Professor forensics Jacksonville State University, author of 64 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of a 65 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: brand new hit series, Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. 66 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, renowned psychoanalysts, joining us out of Beverly Hills. 67 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Wendy Patrick, 68 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: California prosecutor her author of Red Flags and host of 69 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Live with Doctor Wendy on CASEBQ at Wendy Patrick PhD 70 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: dot com, and special guests joining us Sydney's brother Sam 71 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: Sutherland and her mother Maggie Sutherland to the Sutherland's Thank 72 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Maggie, you and I have 73 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: spoken before about when you realized Sydney, your baby girl, 74 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: was missing. You told me you guys had just come 75 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: back from a big family vacation in Deston, Florida, and 76 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: that day everything was settling back into the normal routine. 77 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: And you spoke with Sydney the day she went missing. 78 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: Correct what happened. She had been to do a workout 79 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: in John f Her. She went over to the gym 80 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: that she goes to work out at, and then she 81 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: came back by my house and she visits for a 82 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: little bit it and I was still unpacking from our 83 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: vacation because we just got home the night before, like 84 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: at nine ten o'clock. So we retired and I was 85 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: still unpacking, and I said, can you run up the 86 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: post office and get my mail? And she said she's good, 87 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: So she went and get the mail, and we visited 88 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: and I said, well, I'm going to finish this, and 89 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: she said, well, I'm going to go home. I think 90 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: I want to bake a cookie or some brownie today. 91 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: So she was thought by the store and get it, 92 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: and then she was going to stop by Sam's because 93 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: she had something in her car that she had taken 94 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: on vacation for him and was unloading it to get 95 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: it out the back of her car. And that's where 96 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: we got the video. The last video of her getting 97 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: that out the back of the car and people describing 98 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: what she had on. Miss Sutherland, she came to your 99 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: place after she had already worked out in the gym, 100 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: or before she was going to work out at the 101 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: gym after, because I was concerned when Sydney first went 102 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: missing when I heard she had been at a gym, 103 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: because that greatly increases the possibility of suspects. And another thing, 104 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Miss Sutherland, did she go to sam place to unpack 105 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: something from the vacation her brother before or after she 106 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: saw you? Was it directly after? Yes, she lived here 107 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: and went straight through and backed into his drive and 108 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: got something out and was putting it on his carboard. 109 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: When did you first realize she was missing? Miss Sutherland? 110 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: It was around five o'clock afternoon when asked her boyfriend 111 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: called me and asked if I talked to Sydney and 112 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: what happened. I said, no, I was in Newport. I 113 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: had friend Samarons, and I said, what's going on? He said, well, 114 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: the last time I talked to her was around two thirty. 115 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: I sent her a tech or she semetech said she 116 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: was going running and he goes, I've got home and 117 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: she's not here in the car, here, her kids here, 118 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: everything's here, and I've been out looking for down that 119 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: road and everything, and I can't find her. And I 120 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: just thought maybe she would be with you because something 121 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: doesn't feel right. We went through your mind at that 122 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: moment um, Well my heart stopped, I said. And I 123 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: when I got there and I looked in the house, 124 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: he was exactly right. Everything she had been to the store. 125 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: Her sacks were laying there, her car was there, her 126 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: car keys were there. Everything was there. Nothing out of 127 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: order she had. I did notice she had changed clothes 128 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: because they were she's laid on there, and she changed 129 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: her shoes because she don't wear them outside and running 130 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: in the dirt on the farm road because it was 131 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: her good shoes that she worked in. And I just 132 00:08:54,400 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: started immediately calling my boys, her dad, and I called 133 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: AT and T right away, and then we call the 134 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office that started coming in and they were there 135 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: pretty quick too. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are 136 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance and the death of this beautiful 137 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: young girl, Sydney Sutherland. Her mother and brother with us 138 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: along with our all star panel back to Miss Sutherland. 139 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: You all including Sam, you, the whole family, neighbors, the community, police, drones, 140 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: helicopters all get out almost immediately looking for Sydney. Knowing 141 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: that you've got a time lapse from the time she 142 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: went running to the time that her boyfriend calls you 143 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: notice something is wrong, So she got a two or 144 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: three hour window there. I recall you telling me something 145 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: about finding a beady. What happened? That was on the 146 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: next day. And that was on the second day we 147 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: were out on the search. Everybody would start in one 148 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: area and walk back, and we kept going to this 149 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: one area for some reason. And we were there and 150 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: down on our hands and knees, crawling, and all of 151 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, I was like, my best friends were with me, 152 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: other helpers were there, and I said it was where 153 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: the phone was found. So we were always going back 154 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: to that site because that's where the phone was found 155 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: that second day. So we were just down on our 156 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: hands and knees. We were like, we got there's something here, 157 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: whichnches tell And all of a sudden I found seat 158 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: that was on her bracelet, and then one of the 159 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: other girls did and we were marking on with rocks 160 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: and we were just it really got me, and then 161 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: they that's when they come and got me. You know 162 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: when you say it really got you to find those beads, 163 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: that bead there's something about your loved one's possession. Nobody 164 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: else would probably notice it or note its significance, but 165 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: you did. I remember when I was testifying in my 166 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: fiance's murder trial. I came down off the stand and 167 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: I looked over at the States Council table, Miss Sutherland, 168 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: and I saw Keith denim shirt. It was bloody, but 169 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: that's what I had seen him wearing when he left 170 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: that morning to go to work. And if anybody else 171 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: in the world had seen it, it would not have 172 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: meant anything to them. But I knew immediately that that 173 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: was Keats. When you say it got to you, what 174 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? I knew then that something 175 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: had happened to my Sydney. It was just it just 176 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: God was like she either struggled and they broke it, 177 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: or someone's got her and she was trying to fight, 178 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: because maybe that's one of the phone was where it 179 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: was that she was running too that field because she 180 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: felt threatened or something and was running but being you know, 181 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: down in the area, I just knew something was wrong 182 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: for sure with Studney. Then then we find out at 183 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: the search headquarters the alleged killer may have actually approached 184 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: the family offering comfort. Mitch McCoy k A r K 185 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: four with Fox sixteen News is with us. Of course 186 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: we now know and arrest was made. What can you 187 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: tell me about twenty eight year old Quake Llewellen Well 188 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Quick Llewellen is a Jackson County native. He was you 189 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: could call a family friend. This small county, everyone knows everyone. 190 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: So it's believed that they graduated. Sydney and Quake graduated 191 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: from from the same high school, which graduates about fifty people. 192 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: Quake Lewelly, so each class is only fifty people. Mitch 193 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: McCoy k r K fifty people in a class. They 194 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: had to know each other. Yeah, they definitely did. And 195 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: in this community, even the sheriff recognized that he person 196 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: only knew Quake Luwellen and his family like you knew 197 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland and her family, So all everyone knew each other. 198 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: Back to Miss Sutherland, Maggie Sutherland, this is Sydney's mom. 199 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: Is it true that Quake Luwellen now suspected as being 200 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: a killer actually approached family members during the search. Yes, 201 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: what happened. The headquarters were was up at that house 202 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: that Alex and Sydney lived in and was set up outside. 203 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: We had tense water and food and everything, and he 204 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: just all of a sudden that day walked up. You know. 205 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: He wasn't like a normal farmer that was dirty or anything. 206 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: He was dressed and he was just went and stood 207 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: up against a tree. And I looked up and I said, well, 208 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: there's quake, you know. And I already knew that he 209 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: was supposed in the last one is Singer, because they'd 210 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: already said that, so they'd like just let it go. 211 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I'm gonna walk over there. 212 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: And I walked over there and I said, quite, can 213 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: you kill me? Anything about Sydney? Anything where she was 214 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: on the road, where was she running, you know anything? 215 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: And he goes, she's just running. And I said, you 216 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: couldn't tell me anything else, and he goes no, And 217 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: I said, well, thank you. If you think of anything, 218 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: please please tell me or tell the police. And he 219 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: just kind of hugged me, and I just walked off 220 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: over there to doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho Allen's joining me 221 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 222 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Talk about the kiss of death, which of course goes 223 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: back to the Last Supper in the Bible and to 224 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: the Garden of Guests Simone where Judas Iscariot comes and 225 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: kisses Christ to identify him to Roman soldiers so they 226 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: can take him and kill him. And here you've got 227 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: Quake who is insisting he is innocent. Let me just 228 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: put that out there. Who comes up and actually hugs 229 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Sydney's mother. I mean when I just said that, it 230 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: gave me chills. Hugs her mother, Nancy. We see this 231 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: in so many of the stories you cover. Remember Casey 232 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: Anthony decided she wanted to get involved in children's rights 233 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: or I think looking for loss and exploited children. There 234 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: are multiple perpetrators you've talked about on your show who 235 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: have killed people and then they join in the search. 236 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's one of two things. Either they're 237 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: still trying to gain proximity to the victim, they have 238 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: chosen the victim. Perhaps in this case Sydney, he knew her, 239 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: he went to school with her, who was a Facebook 240 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: friend with her. Perhaps fascinated with her, wanting to stock her, 241 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: and after her death, wanting to gain proximity to her 242 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: by gaining proximity to the family. That's a more complicated explanation. 243 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: The more simple explanation is a complete lack of a conscience, 244 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: just not even caring, just really curious, hanging out, wanting 245 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: to see what's happening, and not even connecting the dots 246 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: that he has actually killed this person. You know the 247 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: thing about you, doctor Bethany. You know, in my mind, 248 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: if it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, 249 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. I'm pretty 250 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: sure I don't need to put its DNA under a 251 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: microscope to figure out what it is. You put so 252 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: many layers on it. I mean, Jess got Morgan helped 253 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: me out. You're the death investigator. To me, he showed 254 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: up to find out what was going on with the 255 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: investigation and snooping around, listening in to find out if 256 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: anybody was close enough to figure out it was him. Yeah, 257 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: standing off in the distance and just kind of observing Nancy, 258 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: almost like a wolf circling the herd, you know, and 259 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: just seeing what he could pick up in this environment, 260 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: you know, And how callous and cold do you have 261 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: to be in this context? You know, you're watching these 262 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: people who you know, just just like Sydney's mama said 263 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. This poor woman's down on her 264 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: hands and knees, trying to find just something about her daughter. 265 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: And here he is out there and he knows he 266 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: can only imagine I'm sure the grief that they're feeling. 267 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: He probably can't because he's insensitive. But he's watching this 268 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: at a distance and he's collecting information. Trust me, that's 269 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: the reason that police go to funerals many times when 270 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: they have unsolved cases, because they want to observe the crowd, 271 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: just like you know, a doctor Bethany mentioned. The reality 272 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: is this, these people are information seekers. Some of these 273 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: people are actually living out this event in their mind 274 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: over and over again. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 275 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: we are talking about a beautiful young woman with the 276 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: whole world in front of her, happy, charming, super smart, motivated, 277 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: hard working, everything you could ever want in a daughter, 278 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: in a person was Sydney Sutherland. You know, I asked 279 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: myself a million times why her? Why was she picked out? 280 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: Why does she have to die? Take a listen to 281 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: our friend Journey Taylor. Court documents are the first hand 282 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: looking disturbing actions. Investigators say Llewellen took this pass summer. 283 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: Now one of the newest details how her searched on 284 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: his phone netted evidence in the murder case. Police say 285 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: they found that about an hour after Sydney Sutherland disappeared, 286 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: he was about two point three miles from where her 287 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: phone was found, But that location Llewelyn was at is 288 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: actually just yards from where authorities found Sutherland's body on 289 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: August twenty first, three days after her disappearance. In an 290 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: interview with investigators, Llewellen admitted to hitting Sutherland with his truck. 291 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: He said he then loaded her up into his pickup 292 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: and took it to an area that investigators stay was 293 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: a reference on the phone's location services. Arkansas State Police 294 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: said he then raped and buried her. To Joseph Scott Morgan, 295 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: death investigator, what would you look for to corroborate We'll 296 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: hold on to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and host of 297 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: Line with Doctor Wendy CACBQ. Wendy, I know it's hard 298 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: for civilians to understand. I wrestle with it myself, but 299 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: someone may not in our country be prosecuted based on 300 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: their confession alone can do it. The case lawders all 301 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: the way to the US Supreme Court. If all we 302 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: have is Quate Llewellen's confession, he cannot be prosecuted. That's right. 303 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: It's called the theory of corpus. That's a fancy way 304 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: of saying you need both a confession and an act 305 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: a crime. People confess the crimes all the time, they 306 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: have a admitted It's hard for civilians to understand that. 307 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: Where I was a public defender, they used to do 308 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: it around the holidays to have a warm place to 309 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: stay over the Christmas season. I know you folks on 310 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: the East Coast know what I mean by that, But 311 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: you need so much more than that. And even if 312 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: you strongly suspect, even if they know details they never 313 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: should be able to know other than they did it, 314 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: you still need more. And that is where people like 315 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott and Dephanie Marshall, all everybody that we all 316 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: talk on your show, that's where we all come together, 317 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: put our heads together and find out how do we 318 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: find a trail to some action that actually leads to 319 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: a suspect more than the confession itself. And at the 320 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: end of you ever wonder how cases are made. Many 321 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: times I remember driving around in Fulton County District Attorney 322 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: County Issue Crown Vic Crown, Victoria, talking to my investigator, 323 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: Ernest every day and we talk about the case, just 324 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: like we're talking right now about Hey, Ernest, I can't 325 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: prosecute this case just on a confession. We've got to 326 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: find operation. And in the last days that corroboration has manifested. 327 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: It's not just his confession anymore. And now I'm bringing 328 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: in miss McCoy KRK Channel up four, Fox sixteen, our 329 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: special guest who's been on the case from the very beginning. 330 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about a dent and quake? 331 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Llewellen's car his truck? Yeah, and it was his truck 332 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: that the Arkansas State Police special agents really started piling 333 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: up some of this evidence, at least from the search 334 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: warrants that we've gathered from what appears to be, according 335 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: to search warrants, blood inside the cracks of a tailgate 336 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: and on that tailgate, to his family contacting special agents 337 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: days at footage at our home that we think you 338 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: need to look at. Special agents show up there and 339 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: Quake's wife points out a dent on the hood of 340 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: his truck while watching surveillance footage that was not there 341 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: when he left that morning. All of this according to 342 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: search warrants with me Mins McCoy k r K four 343 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: that's Fox sixteen. He was poured through court documents and 344 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: search warrants, sworn affidavit search warrants. This is how search 345 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: warrant goes down. You get what you think is PC 346 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: probable cause. I'm talking about you as an investigator, and 347 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: then you identify where you want to search. You have 348 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: to go to a magistrate. They're there twenty four seven 349 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: three sixty five, not just bankers hours at the court house. 350 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: You take the evidence that you have your PC, your suspicions, 351 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: you tell the judge, you swear under oath that it's true, 352 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: and the judge gives you typically a search warrant approved 353 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 1: by the court. And you've got to identify what you 354 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: want to search at this truck, be at his home, 355 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: be at his computer, his iPhone. It doesn't how do 356 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: you have to get a search warrant unless there are 357 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: exigent circumstances. Exigent circumstances means that the evidence will disappear 358 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: if you don't act right now, and that's a very 359 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: old legal concept. He goes all the way back to 360 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: US versus Carol, that goes to the US Supreme Court, 361 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: which was a Moonshiner case. A cop saw a car 362 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: driving off and the tail was dragging too low, and 363 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: the cop thought there's moonshine in there, and he stopped 364 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: the car and search shit. The defense argued there was 365 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: no search warrant, and that was the birth of exigent 366 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: circumstances exception to the search warrant requirement. But here, as 367 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Mitch McCoy reports, they act to pursue to search warrant. 368 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: And when I find very interesting, I'm gonna go to 369 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: Maggie Sutherland, who is braving through all of this evidence 370 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: while grieving the death of her daughter, Sydney. If you 371 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: can even imagine that, every time I hugged Lucy and 372 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: John David since I read about Sydney, I think about 373 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Sydney saying, Hey, I'm going to go bake some brownies. 374 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: I gotta stop by the store. Her mom, Maggie, having 375 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: no idea that she would not speak to Sydney again, 376 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: what do you make Maggie A family members and I 377 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: believe they're referring to Llewellen's wife, Greasie and his mother 378 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: Carrie that call law enforcement about the dent in the car. Yes, 379 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: yes they did. They called looks like on the twenty 380 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: second they would and viewed it on the twenty third, 381 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: and was what they said he was doing in the 382 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: video that they were watching him. He was at the 383 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: front and he was rubbing like the dent and just 384 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: looking at it and walking around his truck. And then 385 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: when they went outside they seemed what he was what 386 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: was on the happened to the front of his truck 387 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: because he had a new truck. Let me understand something. 388 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: I did not know that truck was new. That's significant 389 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: because that dent would not have been there. You mean 390 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: it was new to him. It was not a used 391 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: truck he just bought, was it? No? No, it was 392 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: a new druck that I don't know how it was, 393 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: but it is aids a new truck. What was it 394 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: a GMC? What was it a GMC two thousand team? 395 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. When I understood Miss 396 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Sutherland that law enforcement I think it was the Sheriff's 397 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: actually had reviewed video surveillance. I thought originally that they 398 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: were referring to video surveillance on one of the Llewellen's 399 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: farm properties, because they own and work thousands of acres 400 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: that span a couple of counties. I thought that was 401 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: the video surveillance. But you're telling me they see quite Llewellen, 402 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: their son, their husband rubbing his hand over something on 403 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: his new GMC, and then they go out and find 404 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: out it's a dent in a GMC. So the video 405 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: surveillance was there at the house, yes, at the house 406 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: in grubs, and what was he doing to the GMC? 407 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: On the video he was like rubbing in the area 408 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: where a dent was. It's right by the grill. The 409 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: grills kind of broke on the left passenger side, and 410 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: then right above it is a dent, and they think 411 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: that's where he hit Sydney. But he was just walking 412 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: around and rubbing it and looking at it and pouring 413 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: around his truck a little bit. But he was when 414 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: he was at the front, he would grub that dent 415 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: and everything, so it made him very suspicious of it. 416 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace we're talking about the disappearance 417 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: and death of it. I say beautiful because there's so 418 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: many ways to describe Sidney. I've got her mother with me, Maggie, 419 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at a photo again today of Maggie 420 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: with Sydney, and they looked like sisters, just beautiful blonde 421 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: hair and these big pretty eyes, big smiles, megawatts smile 422 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: on their faces. And I just keep going back over 423 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: in my mind those last words that Sydney spoke with 424 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: her mom about heading out debate. Brownie's not an idea 425 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: in the world that she would have a collision course 426 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: that day with a twenty eight year old neighbor, Quake Llewellen. 427 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: And when I say neighbor, I mean that in relative terms, 428 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: this is farmland they were. They were far how many 429 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: miles away from you, guys, Miss Sutherland. Did the Llewellens 430 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: live the hell? They Grubs ten minutes away. They have 431 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: a house in Grubs and then they also have one 432 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: in Jones Borrow, which is about thirty miles. But he 433 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: was at the shopping Groves house in Grubs. To Joseph 434 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor forensics and death investigator, Joe Scott let 435 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: me circle back to that question. I was going to 436 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: ask you earlier, who got got to corroborate this confession. 437 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: If we want to move forward in Sydney's case and 438 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: get justice now again quat Llewellen has pled not guilty. 439 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Joe Scott? I need you. 440 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: I need you to connect the dots between Sydney's injuries 441 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and the grill and the dent on that twenty nineteen GMC. 442 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: You bet Nancy, and we can do it. I think 443 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: the folks in Arkansas can do it. And let me 444 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: tell you how it's done. When Sydney, as as her 445 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: mama had mentioned, was struck by this vehicle, it is struck. 446 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: This dent and the broken grill is at a specific height. Okay, 447 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: so let's think about that from the ground level up 448 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: to the point of impact. And this is something that 449 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: we see with pedestrians. Now, what will happen. What will 450 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: happen here is that the injuries that Sydney had sustained 451 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: relative to this impact, and they're they're very specific. When 452 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: you see when you see vehicles that have struck struck pedestrians, 453 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: you will marry that up with her relative height, marrying 454 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: that up with the point of impact on the truck. 455 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: Now here's the key reflect back what they were saying. 456 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: He had videography of him rubbing this area where the 457 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: strike took place. Well, because of that, if there was 458 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: trace evidence there, and I'm thinking whatever kind of clothing 459 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: she was clad in, you might not find anything on 460 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: the smooth surface that would transfer surface he may have 461 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: wiped away. But yep, you're right, You're right on the money. 462 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: The grill. The grill is fractured, Nancy, she said, it's broken. 463 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: So what that means is it creates these little jagged edges. 464 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: And folks at home can just think of almost like 465 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: a comb if you will, If you if you were 466 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: to drag a comb across a blanket, you might not 467 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: can see it real well, but you're going to pick 468 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: up those little fibers. And that's what the state police 469 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: are looking for right now. And those two things are 470 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: going to be married up. And this along with I 471 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: could give you a myriad of other pieces of evidence 472 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: that this individual is left behind, but this is going 473 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: to put her in this location with this individual and 474 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: this victus. Not only that by his own statement, Joska Morgan, 475 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, let me go to miss McCoy on this 476 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: KRK four, who's been on the case in the beginning. 477 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: It's my understanding. In his statement, he says he hits 478 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: her with his GMC that he then loads her I 479 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: believe were his words. He loads her into his truck 480 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: like she's cargo, then takes her to a different location, 481 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: sex assaults her and correct me if I'm wrong, Mitch McCoy. 482 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: But isn't their blood on the tailgate of his GMC? 483 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: According to search horns, absolutely, and not only does the 484 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: state police have evidence related to that tailgate, according to 485 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: some of the search horns that we've received, law enforcement 486 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: also they have the same style shoes that quick Lewellen 487 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: was seen in that surveillance footage from the home property. 488 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: State police have those shoes in their possession right now, 489 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: the same shoes they believe who was wearing at the 490 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: time Sydney was killed. Who has it in their possession? 491 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Which law enforcement agency? That would be Arkansas State least, 492 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: but right now would probably be at the state crime lab, 493 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: at the crime lame. And what are they looking for 494 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: at the crime lab? Joe Scott, Yeah, let me you know, okay, Well, 495 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: what they're gonna look for trace elements. And let's talk 496 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: about the shoes. These are actually work boots that this 497 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: guy has had on, that this guy's had on, and Nancy, 498 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: he's a big guy. You know, they don't call him 499 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: quake for nothing. I mean, he's a he's a very 500 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: ample fella. And you know what he has done. He's 501 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: gone into farm country. You know. Uh, Maggie mentioned just 502 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: a moment ago that this is on a farm road. 503 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: These are till till tilled fields. I would imagine soybean 504 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: are cotton, and that they grow in this area. And 505 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: he has left impressions behind relative to those boots and 506 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: relative to the area where where where Sydney's remains were found. 507 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be key. They're gonna be looking 508 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: for that, marrying those footprints up at the scene. In 509 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: addition to that all the clothing and there's a big 510 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: surface area with this guy. Keep that in mind, he's 511 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: come in contact with her. Remember you talked about how 512 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: there was blood on the tailgate. Well, there is quite 513 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: possible this is a brutal killing. There's quite possibly blood 514 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: on those clothes that he had on at that moment, Tom, 515 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: And they're going to match that up. You know, how 516 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: can you get past this in court? If it is 517 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: specifically Sydney's blood, which we can match up through DNA, 518 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: how do you explain the fact and you can't a 519 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: way that her blood just mysteriously winds up on this 520 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: guy's tailgate and potentially on his clothes as well. It's 521 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: an insurmountable hill of evidence that defense will have to 522 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: overcome in this case. You know what took down Napoleon. 523 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: He was fighting too many wars on too many fronts. 524 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: Quake Llewellen's got another problem. Listen, The wife of a 525 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: man accused of capital murder has now filed for divorce. 526 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: Court wreckers say that Quake Llewellen's wife filed the amended 527 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: divorce complaint. Grace Llewellen accuses Quake of abuse, contempt, and 528 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: toglect in their two year marriage. Week was arrested in 529 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: August on suspicion of capital murder, kidnapping, and rape in 530 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: the death of Sydney Sutherland. He's being held without bond 531 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: in the murder. You're here in our freens at Kai 532 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: T eight and in the latest another twist in the case. 533 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: Take a list to our cut twenty seven our friends 534 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: at Fox sixteen along with Mitch McCoy. Is there anything 535 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: that makes you think he could have some mental issues? Well, no, 536 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean not specifically. But what I learned in my 537 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: twenty five years of his practice is that I'm not 538 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: a psychologist. James says, stress or a certain life event 539 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: could play a part, and in any case, it's important 540 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: to have a professional make those determinations, and the art 541 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: and artists on law. You don't particularly have to have 542 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: a be crazy or not know what you're doing, or 543 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: not able to control yourself to still be able to 544 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: use mental health evidence if it's appropriate to your mental 545 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: state and what happened. And no stress, he asked. The 546 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: reporter with Fox sixteen asked the defense lawyer, is there 547 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: anything that makes you think quick Llewellen has a mental 548 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: issue and he goes No, nothing specific, just some stress. 549 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: Stress my rare end n oh. If he knew enough 550 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: to go up to Maggie Sutherland and hug her and 551 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,479 Speaker 1: ask her about the whereabouts of her daughter, he knew 552 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing enough to lie and fake it. 553 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Maggie Sutherland, what is your response to a his wife 554 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: seeking a divorce? And be a psychiatric evaluation. I do 555 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: know that she did get that divorce pretty quickly from him, 556 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 1: but from my you know, like they think that he's 557 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: not he was a mind totally of mind. I mean farmer. 558 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: You'd have to be mentally capable of time for a 559 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: crop long, operating large crop equipment. You have to understand 560 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: crop production planning. You know, he signed up for all this. 561 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: There was nothing wrong with him. How could he gone 562 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: and got this huge long and and people try to 563 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: say he's mentally not capable. What huge line are you 564 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: talking about. He's running a farm farm loan plus he 565 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: just got a GMC and they put you to the 566 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: mill when you qualified to buy a new car. I 567 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: just went through it with our minivan. Yeah, they knew 568 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: everything about me now and he managed to pull that off. 569 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 1: And he knew enough to go rub that dent over 570 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: and over. He knew that was evidence in the murder 571 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: of Sydney Sutherland. There is no way out for him. 572 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: And let me remind everybody this is a death penalty state. 573 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime Story signing 574 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,