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Speaker 1: again it's far too early, uh for for this kind

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Speaker 1: The problem in Europe that makes it more acute is

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Speaker 1: exactly what you pointed to, and that is, yes, we

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Speaker 1: have people that are radicalized, and we have people that

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Speaker 1: are being networked through the Internet. Indeed, we saw that

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Speaker 1: broken up, and interestingly enough, the fear of that investigation

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Speaker 1: few years subsequent. But the bottom line is that it's

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have. We don't have the issue

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Speaker 1: with regard to assimilation to the same degree that exists

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Speaker 1: in Europe. The other thing is we do not have

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Speaker 1: nearly the number Mr. Director of the Center for Study

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Speaker 1: of Hating Stremism when you say a similar to the

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Speaker 1: second point, and then you can attack me anyway. You

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Speaker 1: can even explain the first point. I'm not attacking, but

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Speaker 1: you can't just throw out on the second point is

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Speaker 1: we do not have nearly the number of people that

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Speaker 1: have traveled in theater, gotten trained, and come back that

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Speaker 1: they have in Europe. So while we do have radicalized individuals,

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Speaker 1: their support system and incubation system is much more attenuated

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Speaker 1: where we have criminal syndicates. We also have people who

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Speaker 1: are ferreting these folks into and out of theater. That

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Speaker 1: is serial act that we don't have here in the US. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: would you like for me to translate? No, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put it in. And I was just waiting for him

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Speaker 1: what he's trying to say, and a nutshell is that

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Speaker 1: our homegrown terroorists here have a harder time, as he said, assimilating,

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Speaker 1: which means they don't blend in as easily here in

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Speaker 1: the US. They do blend in better here. Can I

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Speaker 1: finish where the melting pot here? I'm cutting both of

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Speaker 1: your mis She's cutting our mikes, Brian, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to end it on this Our hearts are

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Speaker 1: broken for Britain, and yet in fear and vigilance of

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Speaker 1: the next step here in America, on us soil, all

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Speaker 1: I can say is God bless Britain and God bless America.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you're not there when a fire starts,

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Speaker 1: who will be there to save your home? With simply

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Speaker 1: safe home security, your smoke detectors immediately alert emergency services

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Speaker 1: at the first sign of a fire. Get timber sent

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Speaker 1: off your system today. It's simply safe dot com slash Nancy.

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Speaker 1: That's simply safe dot com slash Nancy, Brian. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us, The Duke as always, Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,