WEBVTT - Segment 2: Analyzing the Chiefs 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.320 He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:12.399 you Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.080 Welcome back. I am Dale Lollly, he is Matt Williamson 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.920 and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:28.160 met Chris Trapezzano on on CBS sports dot Com wrote 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.480 an article about the drafts and how teams should should 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:36.519 copy Super Bowl champion Chiefs by adding similarly skilled prospects. Well, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.600 I read through this, the first thing I noticed is 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.040 that none of his similarly skilled prospects happened to be 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.760 pat my homes. Let's go get him next my homes. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.479 So in that regard, I look, I look at this 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.919 article with just a bit of a green assault, like, 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.080 if you don't have my homes, does this stuff really work? No? 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.240 I mean I haven't read that, haven't clicked on it. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.680 But the answer is, you know, I mean, um that 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.920 they have a great roster. No, I mean I think 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.080 that they have changed their philosophy to fy a little 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.080 bit during my Home's era of we have such a 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.399 good quarterback, if we can protect him pretty well, we're 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.800 gonna have a really good offense. I'm much certain it 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.360 matters who the top receivers are. As long as we 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.960 have a star receiver, doesn't really matter who the running 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.320 backs are. And that's the mold on offense. You know. Yeah, um, 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.240 so I do think you have to look at that 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.240 and say, Okay, unless you have Pat Mahomes, this might 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.440 not work for you. If you like, if you're you're 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:39.039 trying to have you know, build the Chiefs game planner build, 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.560 but the Chiefs have, but you're trying to do it 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.679 with anyone else Joe average quarterback. I don't know that 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.840 this works right, right, right? I mean I'm game from it, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.880 but right I hear it that being said, his first 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:57.920 thing was getting overwhelmingly big left tackle. Now, I don't 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:04.480 know that that is necessarily a recipe for success. I 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.480 tend to think I'm gonna disagree with it. I'm not 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.640 saying it doesn't work. But we talked a little last 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.000 segment about where do these teams go from here? You know, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.400 the Eagles have a bunch of free agents. Casey doesn't 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.880 have much, um but Orlando Brown is one of them. Yeah, 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.720 that's a dilemma to me, is do I want him 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.400 to be my left tackle? He's on the franchise tag. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.280 Now you know the Chiefs, unlike Philly, do not have 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.239 an early pick. The chances of you finding your future 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:37.200 left tackle at thirty one is unlikely, particularly in this draft. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.080 You don't want to trade a bunch of picks to 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.359 move up because you know you're gonna need them to refin, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.240 you know, to keep restocking the supplies because you're gonna 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.560 have so much invested in your stars. So do you 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.680 pay Brown more than he's worth? I know that's not 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.440 exactly what this article is going at, but he's not 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.160 for me. There's many more styles of left tackles I'd 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.720 take over Orlando Brown. Yeah, well, he looks at twenty 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:08.639 prospects who fit the mold of Orlando Brown. Okay. One 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.959 would be Ohio States to one Jones. The other one 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.000 is Tennessee's Darnell Right Okay, okay. Both think those guys 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.760 are right tackles. I mean, could they switch. Well, that's 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.600 what Orlando Brown was. Everybody looked at Orlando Brown and said, well, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:27.600 he's just a right tackle, and then he got uncomfortable 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.080 with that and wanted to go as part of the 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.600 reason he got traded. I think either one of these 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.960 guys um right Jones could probably go to the left 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.760 left side, especially if that's the day you drafted him. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.320 You told them, hey, we want you to practice left, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.200 not right. Um, but I don't know that that's the 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.680 only way to skin a cat in terms of offensive 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.080 tackles that you want. I mean, but they are big, 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.360 hulking guys, and no one's bigger than Jones from higher state. YEA. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:04:00.440 His second thing is find a thick super experience center 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:02.960 in the more of Creed Humphrey. Well, first of all, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.680 I don't know Creed Humphrey is super experience. He was 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.080 experienced at the college level. I still think he's I 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.680 still think he's somewhat overrated. M I don't think he 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.080 is one of the top the top two three centers 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.040 in the league. I think he's maybe in the top 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.279 five to six. I I think he gets a little 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.640 more love than maybe he deserves because of Pro Football Focus. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.520 I think that I think Pro Football Focus loves him 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.120 and there for people who don't know anything about offensive line, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.240 place and what he must be good because they say 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.640 he is, yeah, regardless, okay's overrated to you know, yeah 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.880 that kind of right. So prospects that fit that role. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.640 John Michael SCHMIDTZ. I would say that's the obvious one. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.240 Michigan's Altho sugan aloa Tommy team or however have you 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.840 pronounced that name. It makes feelings about him at the 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.200 Senior Bowl. Yeah. And then Arkansas is Ricky Stromberg. He's 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.120 a guy. We haven't talked about it at all. Yeah, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.400 I don't know him yet. Okay, so he said those guys, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:10.080 those guys have the the same prospect or experienced level 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.800 as Creed Humphrey. Okay. Um, A couple of notes on 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.719 that is, I remember Humphrey being a three year starter, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.920 which is big. It's such a mentally and mature position 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.760 center that I do think experience is quite important. It 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.600 doesn't mean you have to have it, but it's a 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.600 nice plus. If you've played a lot of snaps, you've 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.480 been in charge your offensive line for two plus years, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.240 you're making all the calls, You've seen a variety of defenses, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.560 You've played in big games, sort of like quarterback. I mean, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.719 I do think experience is important there. Um. I will 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.520 say the Michigan kid who I can't pronounce his name, 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.640 is considered the leader of the O line that won 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.160 the Joe Moore Award this past year in Michigan. So 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.960 I do think that's certainly a feather in his cap. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.080 And John Michael Schmidt's demizes this. I mean, I think 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.120 he's a three year starter, durable, tough, you know, I mean, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.920 I don't The thick part is fine, But I think 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.560 Curien's is interesting. They said Humphrey had more than had 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.679 just over snaps in his career with with Oklahoma, Schmitz 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:24.119 has right under. Okay, interesting, So I know Steeler fans 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.120 still get caught up in the whole Creed Humphrey thing. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.000 Right that year came down to the Steelers. Could they 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.320 have taken Creed Humphrey. Sure, And when we were on 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:35.880 the air, you and I were saying, oh this this 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:40.760 pict should probably should be Creed Humphrey. Yeah. Now, I 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.880 think if the Steelers had taken Creed Humphrey, there a 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.279 Creed Humphrey wouldn't be getting the accolades that he is 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.239 right now. Probably not because he wouldn't have Pat Mahomes 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.120 playing with Again, Mahomes covers up so much stuff that 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:58.400 you know, just but be they wouldn't have Pat fire 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.279 moves right now, right, I think fire Moss incredibly important. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.640 I think he's uh, you know, if you if you 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.960 looked at the plays again that the tight ends made, 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.760 not just in that game Sunday in the Super Bowl, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.679 but through over the course of the playoffs. Yeah, teams, 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.360 the teams that had the good tight ends continue to 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.360 advance throughout the playoffs. Yep. It's really been a thing 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.600 for the last five ten years to Gronk, and you know, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.480 there a lot of these great tight ends that want 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.560 a lot of games. Yeah, I think that's a I 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.360 think that's an underlooked thing about that position. Like you 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.040 look at it and say, boy, there's just there just 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.920 aren't very many good tight ends in the league. And 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.080 then you look into the playoffs and like all the 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.840 teams with the good tight ends are still playing. Yeah, 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.840 it can't be coincidence. And I don't think you're suggested 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.800 in Friar moves the next Kelsey or Gronk, but he 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.080 could be got her. Yeah, absolutely in that year. You know, 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.520 that's a valuable guy. Yeah. So, I mean I think 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.520 you know, when you look at that, um, you know, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:04.160 and is put it this way, if you had Creed 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.920 Humphrey right now, would you have a starting tight end 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.560 who was of the same level as Mason Cole, Right, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.920 I mean it wouldn't be Gentry, that'd be somebody else, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.280 somebody else. Yeah, would you have signed Evan Ingram pretend 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.000 the ten million dollars that you're nine million that he 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.640 got from Jacksonville? Probably not? Probably not right. And he 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.280 doesn't he doesn't blocked anybody anyway. Yeah, yeah, And you know, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.080 we did so much draft prep for that, and we 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.840 were we were high on Humphrey. You know, we knew. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.600 I didn't dislike Humphrey, right right right. I just think 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.920 he's slide. You just think he gets overrated because he's 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.960 just because because of pro football focus, right right. And 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.720 and I'm glad you mentioned because I think we were 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.000 on the air when the Steelers were on the clock 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.880 and thought Humphrey seems like a pretty logical pick here. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.120 It would be all happy with that. That makes sense. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.640 They need a center. But I think people need to 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.480 realize to that draft class had Kyle Pitts, who was 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.120 not in the picture at all, the Stealers. We knew 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.080 he was gonna go very very early Friar Muth and 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.839 really nothing else on. And I mean in terms of 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.880 tight ends, that were impact guys are gonna be early 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.320 picks in any manner. And I know Green didn't work 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.080 out at center, but there was five or six centers 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.680 in that class, starting with Humphrey down to Green, that 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.480 we're all intriguing. You know, you're not gonna hit on 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.000 all those guys. They could have just as easily taken 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.760 a you know, a tight end in round three or 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.199 four and maybe not hit on that guy. No, that's 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:35.959 just that, that's just the reality of the draft. He 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.360 just don't know. And I'll say this as well, it's 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.600 and it's kind of the Tom Brady argument. If if 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:47.320 the Chiefs had thought that Creed Humphrey was was, you know, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.120 the the a the what he's what he said to 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:51.720 be that the one of the top two or three 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.280 centers in the league. He was their second second round 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.400 draft pick that year. They didn't. They didn't take him 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.319 with the first second round draft pick. They took Nick Bolton. Yeah, yeah, No, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.440 that's a good point. I mean, he wasn't a pounced 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.160 he like prospect. No, he was not a slam dunk, right, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.280 even not a slam dunk one of several good center 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.600 prospects that year. Uh, Okay, so the next thing on 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:24.520 here find a lightning charged later round running back like 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:31.000 Isaiah Pacheco. Okay, the guys who the guys who you 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.520 say fit that role to Lane's Taija Spears, East, Caroline 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.760 is Keaton, Mitchell, I don't know him yet, and Pitts 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.400 Israel Abaconda m hmm, not too good. The two that 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.080 I know of the Pit and Tulane guys absolutely fit that. Bill. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.040 I don't think you're gonna get Spears as late as 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.160 they got Pacheco. No, I don't think he's going in 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.160 the seventh round in order. I think the other two 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.200 guys will go in the seventh round, right, right, right right. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.439 I don't dislike the idea though, I mean rahe mosterd, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.240 I mean some just talking about cheap explosive guys. I 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.280 mean everyone in the world knows that the theory about 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.280 not investing in running backs. We don't need to go 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.200 down that road. Everyone's heard that theory. But if you're 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.440 I don't mind having the explosive guys that I have 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.400 very little money or draft picks tied up in because 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.640 they get hurt, you know, like the most parts of 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.480 the world and Mitchell and all the San Francisco guys, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.680 they've gone. When the hit Pacheco took last night was oh, like, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.920 Pacheco is a fine but I doubt he's on my 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.880 fantasy team. I don't think he's not going to be 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.719 a two kry guy. I don't think he's long for 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.920 this world period, because he takes beating and he runs high, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.079 and he's you know, he's not he's not built all that. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:46.880 He built more like a wide receiver than he has 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:51.520 a running back. Absolutely, So if he's your seventh round guy, great, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.440 they'd be smart to draft another one too, you know 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.440 what I mean. I think the Steelers have something similar 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.760 to that guy, maybe not quite as explosive and j 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.439 La Warren and you got him for nothing and you 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.720 have for nothing right similar investment. It probably won't work 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.120 out this way, but it wouldn't break my heart if 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:11.880 the Steelers took one of these backs, if it was 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.839 the sixth round, you know, let me just add, dude, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.319 you know, but I'm not going to use the third 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.400 round pick on spears. And they might already have that 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.840 explosive guy in Anthony McFarland. We just haven't gotten to 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.960 see as much as him. But the one game that 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.880 he played last year, he made a h Isaiah Paceecko 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.920 like impact. I think he averaged five yards of carry, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.479 had you know, a couple of catches for twenty yards. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.000 It It was intriguing. Let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:45.480 I want to see more. Uh. And then the final thing, long, disruptive, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:51.640 athletic defensive tackleing. Okay, like Chris Jones, he said, prospects 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:58.199 that fit that role Jalen Carter obviously, Bowling Green's Carl Brooks, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:05.760 Mo morow Ojoma from Texas and Jalen Redman from Oklahoma. Okay, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.320 a couple of those guys I need to do some 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.600 work on. I don't know that i'd call Brooks that. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.640 I mean, he was an edge of Bowling Green a 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.800 lot six three pounds. He's not going to stay on 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.319 his feet at the next level, but he's not super long. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.719 Um yea. The Steelers also have that already as well. Yeah, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.080 I would say Cam Heyward epitomizes this or you know, 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.959 um but I remember looking, you know, studying the Niners defense. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.800 Length in athleticism in their front seven really stands out, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.800 you know, Armstead and you know, just drafting dudes with 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.680 long arms that can change directions. And I think more 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:49.320 and more when I'm looking at front seven players, length 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.319 in athleticism or higher and higher on my list every year. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.600 This is what the Steelers have done for years. They've 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.400 had those six five six four or six five six six, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.400 three or four defensive defensive ends, the key sols, the two. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.000 It's the Haywards. I mean this, this is this has 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.960 been what they've had. This is what they do. I 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.640 mean louder Mill, I mean he hasn't yet, but yeah, 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.520 he's exactly that. Leal's in that same mold. He's not 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.560 quite as tall, he's six four, but he's still get 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.880 the long arms and you can do some of those things. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.080 They have guys who fit that mold. They don't. So 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:31.680 when I look at this, um, you know they don't 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.120 have the big left tackle. But I think we both 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.600 agree that that's not necessarily yeah, something that you have 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.880 to have if you have an if you have an 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:46.040 athletic left tackle, he'll be just fine, right right. I mean, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.200 I don't oversize the biggest left tackle in the league. Guy. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.760 Just well, look, the Chiefs have a three and fifty 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.240 pound left tackle. We should get one of those right, right, right? 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.880 How much longer they'll have a three right tackle? Right? 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.720 I mean I would I would change that criteria to 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.960 an adequate left tackle. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, Ortlanta Brown 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.640 is a lot of superstar at all. I mean he's 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.840 not at all. I mean he's maybe a top fifteen 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.280 yeah right, I mean I know that he has rare dimensions. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.200 But I would say, despite what they're paying him, and 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.080 despite his reputation, I don't think you need Orlando Pace, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.479 you know, to to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. Um, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.480 the thick experience center, well they now have a center. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.040 I think I think Mason Cole is a guy that 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.120 you can win with. I agree, I agree. I also, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.880 I think the Steelers would prefer the thick, three plus 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:48.120 pound Michael Schmidt's type guy. But the Eagles won a 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.520 lot of games without the little short squatty. You know, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.280 they nobody can nobody can stop them in the in 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.640 those third and short or fourth and short situations, much 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.520 like the Steelers. I mean, the Steelers have that part 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.600 of its out as well. Yeah, they're talking talking about 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.880 that that Eagle short this is unstoppable. Well, the Steelers 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.240 were pretty unstoppable and in third and fourth in shorts 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.880 last year as well, phenomenal. In fact, they led the 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.000 league in that. So quarterback sneak or or a big 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.520 back or moving just moving people with your front without question. Yeah, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.720 they were very good with that. I do like the 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.480 experienced side of things. Thick is up to you. I mean, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.040 I think the Steelers will prefer the thicker, stouter guy 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.280 just the way they play. But you can win a 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:32.120 lot of games with Kelsey Um the lightning charge. Later 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.280 around running back, we talked about that they have one 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:39.280 of those, and jay Len Warren they could add to that. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.960 I mean again, if if, if Anthony McFarlane hits this year, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.440 and and and people need to understand the reason why 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:50.000 Anthony McFarland wasn't on the active roster was as much 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:55.520 about Benny Snell's special teams abilities as anything. Yeah, I 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.600 mean that's why he wasn't active at all on game 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.560 days except for the one time when Jaln Warren was 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.360 hurt and again did some good things in that game. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.880 And then finally the long, disruptive, athletic defensive tackle. Well 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.920 they've got that. Yeah, they're on top of that. It's funny. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:15.000 What they don't have is my homes. That's thinking of 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.439 the running back comparison here, unless they're like a mccaffree 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.920 level receiver. I did my smaller explosive guys. I am 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.359 not giving money, you know what I mean? Like I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.120 find those guys every year in the draft. Maybe even 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.080 take one every year. Take a six or something round 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.600 dude that'll run through brick wall for you, that runs 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.520 a four three in the last eight games. That's what 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:44.040 you knows. Do that, Yes, and they'll they'll take two 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.879 running backs in the draft, right right. I mean if 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.800 you look at the backs that they've had on their roster, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.159 it's like they just keep cycling through them. Yeah, and 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.199 it's always the ladder of the two, Like they like 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.800 Mitchell more than Sermon. And you know they draft a 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.639 ton of them, which made the McCaffrey trade odd. You know, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.480 they're the ones that go through them left and right. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.639 I don't think they're gonna be doing that this year 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.119 because they gave up a bunch of picks to get McCaffrey. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.879 So yeah, you know, it is what it is, a weapon, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.200 you know. So that brings me to the question, Matt, So, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:19.880 if Patrick Mahomes was on this year Steelers team. Are 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:24.560 they a Super Bowl potential Super Bowl champion? Yeah, I 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.720 think there are two. I think you'd say that about 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.280 twenty teams probably. I mean, he's that good good like 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.359 Houston wouldn't be, yeah, right, you know, um, but I 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.639 think the Steelers were an easy one because the old line. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.480 Nobody would say the Steelers have old line issues, nobody. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.240 And Deonte would have ten touchdowns on zero, you know, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.359 would have had a hundred and twenty catches, you know, firm, 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:56.080 firmouth catches, you know, nine passes for a thousand yards 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.000 and and uh, you know, George Pickens is probably Rookie 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.240 the Year the year, right, he's that good, right, yeah, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.399 and all the mental stuff he does now is and 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.480 he did a lot at the line of scrimmage last 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.280 night too that the rookies just and unable to do. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.879 You know. The he brings the band experience with the 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.320 in his prime bend. You know, there's the other question, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.400 what pick Ben's best year of his career or Bend 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.600 at his peaks of his powers. If you would have 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.560 put him on this year's suiter class team that they 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.359 win the Super Bowl, I think they're right in it. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.120 They would have been in it. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.000 why I look at this and and uh, you know, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.840 I heard somebody making the argument last week when the 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.560 NFL honor stuff was being announced. Um, I can't believe, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.640 you know, people were I can't believe Mike Tomlin got 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.399 votes for Coach of the Year. They won fewer games 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.120 this year than they did last year. They won, they 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.240 won the same amount of games they have one less time. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.680 He didn't do a good job. He had a rookie 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.119 quarter back, the rookie quarterback, and lost his best player 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.080 very very early in the season, when nine games with 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.399 the rookie quarterbacks starting the majority of games. Yeah, and 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.840 I think many teams I would say going to tank 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.439 or going to toilet, but easily would have would not 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.000 have rebounded the second half of the season after that 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:22.879 type of start. Yeah. I just I think that the 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.920 you know, the arrow has pointed up with this team. Um, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:31.560 in regards to uh, the player Pickett Um, you know, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.800 the experience that he got this year. I just think it's, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.600 you know, they're ready to take a step. Could it 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.600 be a an Eagles like step. I don't know if 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.560 they can, if they're gonna be playing in the Super 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.960 Bowl next year. The a f C is still loaded. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.520 Oh sure, it's not easy, but I think I think 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.760 they're definitely a playoff contender, much more so next year 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.600 than they were this year. Right, I mean, the quarterback 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.760 play is going to be better and assuming he stays healthy, 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:02.360 I mean, he's gonna be a better player in year 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.920 two than it was year one. The offense is gonna 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.119 look exactly the same. In terms of the players, maybe 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.280 add something. I mean, you're gonna add something of note 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.119 and take it from there. I mean, I expect them. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.600 I think a reasonable expectation or progress everyone would be 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:23.960 happy with is be a contender, you know, like make 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.119 the playoffs and win a game, or play the Chiefs 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:29.920 down to the wire in the first round, or you 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.240 know what I mean. Like you see, I don't think 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.920 people if they happen to play the Chiefs in the 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.800 in the opening round of the playoffs and lost, where 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.840 they played the Buffalo and lost, people still wouldn't be 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.199 happy with that. No, they wouldn't. But if it was 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:46.960 a game like last night that goes down to the 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.040 wire and you just end up on the wrong end 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.320 of it, Okay, you know, I just I just don't think. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.159 I just don't think a lot of people would be 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.000 happy with that. They would still complain about Tom and 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.960 not winning the playoff game again, right right, right him 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.320 like going to going to Kansas City two years ago, 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:10.320 but just another Toma playoff lost. Nobody was beating But 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:15.040 I'll say this, that Eagles team last year, that's what 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.520 you look at, went and got blown out in their 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.560 first game with a young quarterback in his first playoffs start, 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.600 and they got They got beat worse than the Steelers 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.280 got beat. Yeah, with much uncertainty around the quarterback position, 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:32.399 nobody thought. Nobody thought Jalen Hurts maybe outside of some 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.479 people in the fantasy community. And even at that, they 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.400 were looking at Jalen Hurts so well, he's gonna run 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.719 for nine yards this year? Al right, al right, Nobody 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.199 saw this version of Jalen Hurts coming. No. I mean, 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.600 they had a tremendous offseason. They traded for A J. Brown. 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.440 I don't expect the Steelers to get that much better 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.639