1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: you Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lollly, he is Matt Williamson 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: met Chris Trapezzano on on CBS sports dot Com wrote 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: an article about the drafts and how teams should should 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: copy Super Bowl champion Chiefs by adding similarly skilled prospects. Well, 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: I read through this, the first thing I noticed is 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: that none of his similarly skilled prospects happened to be 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: pat my homes. Let's go get him next my homes. 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: So in that regard, I look, I look at this 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: article with just a bit of a green assault, like, 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: if you don't have my homes, does this stuff really work? No? 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean I haven't read that, haven't clicked on it. 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: But the answer is, you know, I mean, um that 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: they have a great roster. No, I mean I think 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: that they have changed their philosophy to fy a little 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: bit during my Home's era of we have such a 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: good quarterback, if we can protect him pretty well, we're 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: gonna have a really good offense. I'm much certain it 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: matters who the top receivers are. As long as we 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: have a star receiver, doesn't really matter who the running 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: backs are. And that's the mold on offense. You know. Yeah, um, 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: so I do think you have to look at that 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, unless you have Pat Mahomes, this might 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: not work for you. If you like, if you're you're 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: trying to have you know, build the Chiefs game planner build, 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: but the Chiefs have, but you're trying to do it 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: with anyone else Joe average quarterback. I don't know that 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: this works right, right, right? I mean I'm game from it, 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: but right I hear it that being said, his first 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: thing was getting overwhelmingly big left tackle. Now, I don't 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: know that that is necessarily a recipe for success. I 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: tend to think I'm gonna disagree with it. I'm not 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: saying it doesn't work. But we talked a little last 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: segment about where do these teams go from here? You know, 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: the Eagles have a bunch of free agents. Casey doesn't 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: have much, um but Orlando Brown is one of them. Yeah, 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that's a dilemma to me, is do I want him 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: to be my left tackle? He's on the franchise tag. 41 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: Now you know the Chiefs, unlike Philly, do not have 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: an early pick. The chances of you finding your future 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: left tackle at thirty one is unlikely, particularly in this draft. 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: You don't want to trade a bunch of picks to 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: move up because you know you're gonna need them to refin, 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, to keep restocking the supplies because you're gonna 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: have so much invested in your stars. So do you 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: pay Brown more than he's worth? I know that's not 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: exactly what this article is going at, but he's not 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: for me. There's many more styles of left tackles I'd 51 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: take over Orlando Brown. Yeah, well, he looks at twenty 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: prospects who fit the mold of Orlando Brown. Okay. One 53 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: would be Ohio States to one Jones. The other one 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: is Tennessee's Darnell Right Okay, okay. Both think those guys 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: are right tackles. I mean, could they switch. Well, that's 56 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: what Orlando Brown was. Everybody looked at Orlando Brown and said, well, 57 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: he's just a right tackle, and then he got uncomfortable 58 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: with that and wanted to go as part of the 59 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: reason he got traded. I think either one of these 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: guys um right Jones could probably go to the left 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: left side, especially if that's the day you drafted him. 62 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: You told them, hey, we want you to practice left, 63 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: not right. Um, but I don't know that that's the 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: only way to skin a cat in terms of offensive 65 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: tackles that you want. I mean, but they are big, 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: hulking guys, and no one's bigger than Jones from higher state. YEA. 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: His second thing is find a thick super experience center 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: in the more of Creed Humphrey. Well, first of all, 69 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't know Creed Humphrey is super experience. He was 70 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: experienced at the college level. I still think he's I 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: still think he's somewhat overrated. M I don't think he 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: is one of the top the top two three centers 73 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: in the league. I think he's maybe in the top 74 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: five to six. I I think he gets a little 75 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: more love than maybe he deserves because of Pro Football Focus. 76 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: I think that I think Pro Football Focus loves him 77 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: and there for people who don't know anything about offensive line, 78 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: place and what he must be good because they say 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: he is, yeah, regardless, okay's overrated to you know, yeah 80 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: that kind of right. So prospects that fit that role. 81 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: John Michael SCHMIDTZ. I would say that's the obvious one. 82 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: Michigan's Altho sugan aloa Tommy team or however have you 83 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: pronounced that name. It makes feelings about him at the 84 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Yeah. And then Arkansas is Ricky Stromberg. He's 85 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: a guy. We haven't talked about it at all. Yeah, 86 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't know him yet. Okay, so he said those guys, 87 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: those guys have the the same prospect or experienced level 88 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: as Creed Humphrey. Okay. Um, A couple of notes on 89 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: that is, I remember Humphrey being a three year starter, 90 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: which is big. It's such a mentally and mature position 91 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: center that I do think experience is quite important. It 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to have it, but it's a 93 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: nice plus. If you've played a lot of snaps, you've 94 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: been in charge your offensive line for two plus years, 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: you're making all the calls, You've seen a variety of defenses, 96 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: You've played in big games, sort of like quarterback. I mean, 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: I do think experience is important there. Um. I will 98 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: say the Michigan kid who I can't pronounce his name, 99 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: is considered the leader of the O line that won 100 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: the Joe Moore Award this past year in Michigan. So 101 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: I do think that's certainly a feather in his cap. 102 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: And John Michael Schmidt's demizes this. I mean, I think 103 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: he's a three year starter, durable, tough, you know, I mean, 104 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: I don't The thick part is fine, But I think 105 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: Curien's is interesting. They said Humphrey had more than had 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: just over snaps in his career with with Oklahoma, Schmitz 107 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: has right under. Okay, interesting, So I know Steeler fans 108 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: still get caught up in the whole Creed Humphrey thing. 109 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Right that year came down to the Steelers. Could they 110 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: have taken Creed Humphrey. Sure, And when we were on 111 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: the air, you and I were saying, oh this this 112 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: pict should probably should be Creed Humphrey. Yeah. Now, I 113 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: think if the Steelers had taken Creed Humphrey, there a 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey wouldn't be getting the accolades that he is 115 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: right now. Probably not because he wouldn't have Pat Mahomes 116 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: playing with Again, Mahomes covers up so much stuff that 117 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, just but be they wouldn't have Pat fire 118 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: moves right now, right, I think fire Moss incredibly important. 119 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: I think he's uh, you know, if you if you 120 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: looked at the plays again that the tight ends made, 121 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: not just in that game Sunday in the Super Bowl, 122 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 1: but through over the course of the playoffs. Yeah, teams, 123 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: the teams that had the good tight ends continue to 124 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: advance throughout the playoffs. Yep. It's really been a thing 125 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: for the last five ten years to Gronk, and you know, 126 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: there a lot of these great tight ends that want 127 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: a lot of games. Yeah, I think that's a I 128 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: think that's an underlooked thing about that position. Like you 129 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: look at it and say, boy, there's just there just 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: aren't very many good tight ends in the league. And 131 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: then you look into the playoffs and like all the 132 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: teams with the good tight ends are still playing. Yeah, 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: it can't be coincidence. And I don't think you're suggested 134 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: in Friar moves the next Kelsey or Gronk, but he 135 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: could be got her. Yeah, absolutely in that year. You know, 136 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: that's a valuable guy. Yeah. So, I mean I think 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you look at that, um, you know, 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: and is put it this way, if you had Creed 139 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: Humphrey right now, would you have a starting tight end 140 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: who was of the same level as Mason Cole, Right, 141 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean it wouldn't be Gentry, that'd be somebody else, 142 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, would you have signed Evan Ingram pretend 143 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: the ten million dollars that you're nine million that he 144 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: got from Jacksonville? Probably not? Probably not right. And he 145 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't blocked anybody anyway. Yeah, yeah, And you know, 146 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: we did so much draft prep for that, and we 147 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: were we were high on Humphrey. You know, we knew. 148 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: I didn't dislike Humphrey, right right right. I just think 149 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: he's slide. You just think he gets overrated because he's 150 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: just because because of pro football focus, right right. And 151 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: and I'm glad you mentioned because I think we were 152 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: on the air when the Steelers were on the clock 153 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: and thought Humphrey seems like a pretty logical pick here. 154 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: It would be all happy with that. That makes sense. 155 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: They need a center. But I think people need to 156 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: realize to that draft class had Kyle Pitts, who was 157 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: not in the picture at all, the Stealers. We knew 158 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: he was gonna go very very early Friar Muth and 159 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: really nothing else on. And I mean in terms of 160 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: tight ends, that were impact guys are gonna be early 161 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: picks in any manner. And I know Green didn't work 162 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: out at center, but there was five or six centers 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: in that class, starting with Humphrey down to Green, that 164 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: we're all intriguing. You know, you're not gonna hit on 165 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: all those guys. They could have just as easily taken 166 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: a you know, a tight end in round three or 167 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: four and maybe not hit on that guy. No, that's 168 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: just that, that's just the reality of the draft. He 169 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: just don't know. And I'll say this as well, it's 170 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: and it's kind of the Tom Brady argument. If if 171 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: the Chiefs had thought that Creed Humphrey was was, you know, 172 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: the the a the what he's what he said to 173 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: be that the one of the top two or three 174 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: centers in the league. He was their second second round 175 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: draft pick that year. They didn't. They didn't take him 176 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: with the first second round draft pick. They took Nick Bolton. Yeah, yeah, No, 177 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: that's a good point. I mean, he wasn't a pounced 178 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: he like prospect. No, he was not a slam dunk, right, 179 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: even not a slam dunk one of several good center 180 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: prospects that year. Uh, Okay, so the next thing on 181 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: here find a lightning charged later round running back like 182 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco. Okay, the guys who the guys who you 183 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: say fit that role to Lane's Taija Spears, East, Caroline 184 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: is Keaton, Mitchell, I don't know him yet, and Pitts 185 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: Israel Abaconda m hmm, not too good. The two that 186 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: I know of the Pit and Tulane guys absolutely fit that. Bill. 187 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get Spears as late as 188 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: they got Pacheco. No, I don't think he's going in 189 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: the seventh round in order. I think the other two 190 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: guys will go in the seventh round, right, right, right right. 191 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: I don't dislike the idea though, I mean rahe mosterd, 192 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean some just talking about cheap explosive guys. I 193 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: mean everyone in the world knows that the theory about 194 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: not investing in running backs. We don't need to go 195 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: down that road. Everyone's heard that theory. But if you're 196 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't mind having the explosive guys that I have 197 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: very little money or draft picks tied up in because 198 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: they get hurt, you know, like the most parts of 199 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: the world and Mitchell and all the San Francisco guys, 200 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: they've gone. When the hit Pacheco took last night was oh, like, 201 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: Pacheco is a fine but I doubt he's on my 202 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: fantasy team. I don't think he's not going to be 203 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: a two kry guy. I don't think he's long for 204 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: this world period, because he takes beating and he runs high, 205 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's not he's not built all that. 206 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: He built more like a wide receiver than he has 207 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: a running back. Absolutely, So if he's your seventh round guy, great, 208 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: they'd be smart to draft another one too, you know 209 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: what I mean. I think the Steelers have something similar 210 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: to that guy, maybe not quite as explosive and j 211 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: La Warren and you got him for nothing and you 212 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: have for nothing right similar investment. It probably won't work 213 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: out this way, but it wouldn't break my heart if 214 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: the Steelers took one of these backs, if it was 215 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: the sixth round, you know, let me just add, dude, 216 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not going to use the third 217 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: round pick on spears. And they might already have that 218 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: explosive guy in Anthony McFarland. We just haven't gotten to 219 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: see as much as him. But the one game that 220 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: he played last year, he made a h Isaiah Paceecko 221 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: like impact. I think he averaged five yards of carry, 222 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 1: had you know, a couple of catches for twenty yards. 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: It It was intriguing. Let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 224 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: I want to see more. Uh. And then the final thing, long, disruptive, 225 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: athletic defensive tackleing. Okay, like Chris Jones, he said, prospects 226 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: that fit that role Jalen Carter obviously, Bowling Green's Carl Brooks, 227 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: Mo morow Ojoma from Texas and Jalen Redman from Oklahoma. Okay, 228 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: a couple of those guys I need to do some 229 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: work on. I don't know that i'd call Brooks that. 230 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he was an edge of Bowling Green a 231 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: lot six three pounds. He's not going to stay on 232 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: his feet at the next level, but he's not super long. 233 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: Um yea. The Steelers also have that already as well. Yeah, 234 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: I would say Cam Heyward epitomizes this or you know, 235 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: um but I remember looking, you know, studying the Niners defense. 236 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: Length in athleticism in their front seven really stands out, 237 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, Armstead and you know, just drafting dudes with 238 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: long arms that can change directions. And I think more 239 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: and more when I'm looking at front seven players, length 240 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: in athleticism or higher and higher on my list every year. 241 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: This is what the Steelers have done for years. They've 242 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: had those six five six four or six five six six, 243 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: three or four defensive defensive ends, the key sols, the two. 244 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: It's the Haywards. I mean this, this is this has 245 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: been what they've had. This is what they do. I 246 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: mean louder Mill, I mean he hasn't yet, but yeah, 247 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: he's exactly that. Leal's in that same mold. He's not 248 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: quite as tall, he's six four, but he's still get 249 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: the long arms and you can do some of those things. 250 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: They have guys who fit that mold. They don't. So 251 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: when I look at this, um, you know they don't 252 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: have the big left tackle. But I think we both 253 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: agree that that's not necessarily yeah, something that you have 254 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: to have if you have an if you have an 255 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: athletic left tackle, he'll be just fine, right right. I mean, 256 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't oversize the biggest left tackle in the league. Guy. 257 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: Just well, look, the Chiefs have a three and fifty 258 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: pound left tackle. We should get one of those right, right, right? 259 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: How much longer they'll have a three right tackle? Right? 260 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean I would I would change that criteria to 261 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: an adequate left tackle. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, Ortlanta Brown 262 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: is a lot of superstar at all. I mean he's 263 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: not at all. I mean he's maybe a top fifteen 264 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: yeah right, I mean I know that he has rare dimensions. 265 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: But I would say, despite what they're paying him, and 266 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: despite his reputation, I don't think you need Orlando Pace, 267 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,479 Speaker 1: you know, to to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. Um, 268 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: the thick experience center, well they now have a center. 269 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I think I think Mason Cole is a guy that 270 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: you can win with. I agree, I agree. I also, 271 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I think the Steelers would prefer the thick, three plus 272 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: pound Michael Schmidt's type guy. But the Eagles won a 273 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: lot of games without the little short squatty. You know, 274 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: they nobody can nobody can stop them in the in 275 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: those third and short or fourth and short situations, much 276 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: like the Steelers. I mean, the Steelers have that part 277 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: of its out as well. Yeah, they're talking talking about 278 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: that that Eagle short this is unstoppable. Well, the Steelers 279 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: were pretty unstoppable and in third and fourth in shorts 280 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: last year as well, phenomenal. In fact, they led the 281 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: league in that. So quarterback sneak or or a big 282 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: back or moving just moving people with your front without question. Yeah, 283 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: they were very good with that. I do like the 284 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: experienced side of things. Thick is up to you. I mean, 285 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: I think the Steelers will prefer the thicker, stouter guy 286 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: just the way they play. But you can win a 287 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: lot of games with Kelsey Um the lightning charge. Later 288 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: around running back, we talked about that they have one 289 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: of those, and jay Len Warren they could add to that. 290 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean again, if if, if Anthony McFarlane hits this year, 291 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and and and people need to understand the reason why 292 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: Anthony McFarland wasn't on the active roster was as much 293 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: about Benny Snell's special teams abilities as anything. Yeah, I 294 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: mean that's why he wasn't active at all on game 295 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: days except for the one time when Jaln Warren was 296 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: hurt and again did some good things in that game. 297 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: And then finally the long, disruptive, athletic defensive tackle. Well 298 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: they've got that. Yeah, they're on top of that. It's funny. 299 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: What they don't have is my homes. That's thinking of 300 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: the running back comparison here, unless they're like a mccaffree 301 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: level receiver. I did my smaller explosive guys. I am 302 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: not giving money, you know what I mean? Like I 303 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: find those guys every year in the draft. Maybe even 304 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: take one every year. Take a six or something round 305 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: dude that'll run through brick wall for you, that runs 306 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: a four three in the last eight games. That's what 307 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: you knows. Do that, Yes, and they'll they'll take two 308 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: running backs in the draft, right right. I mean if 309 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: you look at the backs that they've had on their roster, 310 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: it's like they just keep cycling through them. Yeah, and 311 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: it's always the ladder of the two, Like they like 312 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: Mitchell more than Sermon. And you know they draft a 313 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: ton of them, which made the McCaffrey trade odd. You know, 314 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: they're the ones that go through them left and right. 315 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be doing that this year 316 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: because they gave up a bunch of picks to get McCaffrey. 317 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, it is what it is, a weapon, 318 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: you know. So that brings me to the question, Matt, So, 319 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: if Patrick Mahomes was on this year Steelers team. Are 320 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: they a Super Bowl potential Super Bowl champion? Yeah, I 321 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: think there are two. I think you'd say that about 322 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: twenty teams probably. I mean, he's that good good like 323 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Houston wouldn't be, yeah, right, you know, um, but I 324 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: think the Steelers were an easy one because the old line. 325 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Nobody would say the Steelers have old line issues, nobody. 326 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: And Deonte would have ten touchdowns on zero, you know, 327 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: would have had a hundred and twenty catches, you know, firm, 328 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: firmouth catches, you know, nine passes for a thousand yards 329 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, George Pickens is probably Rookie 330 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: the Year the year, right, he's that good, right, yeah, 331 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: and all the mental stuff he does now is and 332 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: he did a lot at the line of scrimmage last 333 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: night too that the rookies just and unable to do. 334 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: You know. The he brings the band experience with the 335 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: in his prime bend. You know, there's the other question, 336 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: what pick Ben's best year of his career or Bend 337 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: at his peaks of his powers. If you would have 338 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: put him on this year's suiter class team that they 339 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, I think they're right in it. 340 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: They would have been in it. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's 341 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: why I look at this and and uh, you know, 342 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: I heard somebody making the argument last week when the 343 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: NFL honor stuff was being announced. Um, I can't believe, 344 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, people were I can't believe Mike Tomlin got 345 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: votes for Coach of the Year. They won fewer games 346 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: this year than they did last year. They won, they 347 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: won the same amount of games they have one less time. 348 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: He didn't do a good job. He had a rookie 349 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: quarter back, the rookie quarterback, and lost his best player 350 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: very very early in the season, when nine games with 351 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: the rookie quarterbacks starting the majority of games. Yeah, and 352 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I think many teams I would say going to tank 353 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: or going to toilet, but easily would have would not 354 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: have rebounded the second half of the season after that 355 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: type of start. Yeah. I just I think that the 356 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, the arrow has pointed up with this team. Um, 357 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: in regards to uh, the player Pickett Um, you know, 358 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: the experience that he got this year. I just think it's, 359 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're ready to take a step. Could it 360 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: be a an Eagles like step. I don't know if 361 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: they can, if they're gonna be playing in the Super 362 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: Bowl next year. The a f C is still loaded. 363 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: Oh sure, it's not easy, but I think I think 364 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: they're definitely a playoff contender, much more so next year 365 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: than they were this year. Right, I mean, the quarterback 366 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: play is going to be better and assuming he stays healthy, 367 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be a better player in year 368 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: two than it was year one. The offense is gonna 369 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: look exactly the same. In terms of the players, maybe 370 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: add something. I mean, you're gonna add something of note 371 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: and take it from there. I mean, I expect them. 372 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: I think a reasonable expectation or progress everyone would be 373 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: happy with is be a contender, you know, like make 374 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: the playoffs and win a game, or play the Chiefs 375 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: down to the wire in the first round, or you 376 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like you see, I don't think 377 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: people if they happen to play the Chiefs in the 378 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: in the opening round of the playoffs and lost, where 379 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: they played the Buffalo and lost, people still wouldn't be 380 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: happy with that. No, they wouldn't. But if it was 381 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: a game like last night that goes down to the 382 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: wire and you just end up on the wrong end 383 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: of it, Okay, you know, I just I just don't think. 384 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: I just don't think a lot of people would be 385 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: happy with that. They would still complain about Tom and 386 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: not winning the playoff game again, right right, right him 387 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: like going to going to Kansas City two years ago, 388 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: but just another Toma playoff lost. Nobody was beating But 389 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: I'll say this, that Eagles team last year, that's what 390 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: you look at, went and got blown out in their 391 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: first game with a young quarterback in his first playoffs start, 392 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and they got They got beat worse than the Steelers 393 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: got beat. Yeah, with much uncertainty around the quarterback position, 394 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: nobody thought. Nobody thought Jalen Hurts maybe outside of some 395 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: people in the fantasy community. And even at that, they 396 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: were looking at Jalen Hurts so well, he's gonna run 397 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: for nine yards this year? Al right, al right, Nobody 398 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: saw this version of Jalen Hurts coming. No. I mean, 399 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: they had a tremendous offseason. They traded for A J. Brown. 400 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't expect the Steelers to get that much better 401 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: as Philly did. Philly's roster went from a B to 402 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: an A quarterback aside, Yeah, but Hurts went from a 403 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: C minus to an A minus on his own merit 404 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: not just because there's better people around him. Because of 405 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: that natural advancement. As I always say, guys are allowed 406 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: to get better, and I think that Kenny will be 407 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: one of them. Oh, I actually absolutely. If he doesn't 408 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: throw twenty plus touchdown passes next year and fewer than 409 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: ten interceptions, I'll be I'll be shocked. Then it's time 410 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: to work, right, you know what I mean. He doesn't 411 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: make that kind of progression next year, I'll then I'll 412 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: be then I'll be worried if it's you know, sixteen 413 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: touchdown passes in eleven interceptions. Okay, Now, maybe he's maybe 414 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: that's what he is. Yeah, maybe you look at and say, 415 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: maybe he's a borderline starter or you know, But at 416 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: this point, I think that the you know, given how 417 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: we've seen him a manager game. Again, I don't I 418 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: don't look too much at the well, he only he 419 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: threw seven touchdown passes a season. Some of that I 420 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: think was by design. I don't know that they were 421 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: asking him to do a lot of that kind of stuff. 422 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll all admit they need to score more 423 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: points without a doubt, and we know all those things, 424 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: and I expect those yeah, big plays and touchdown numbers 425 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: to greatly increase. Yeah, but he's not getting to Patrick 426 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Mahomes level. No, that's to get back to this initial story. 427 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: Unless you have Patrick Mahomes. I don't know that everything 428 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: in this article works. That's it. Yeah, that's it's the 429 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: boring one because everyone could write it over and over. 430 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: You know. But could he be as good at quarterback, 431 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: different style than Jalen Hurts is? I think so? I 432 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: think so as well? Yeah, and be effective. Anyways, we're 433 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am 434 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: Dale Lala. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers 435 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: Nation Radio, and you can subscribe now to the Drive 436 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. Every episode we do is available 437 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: for you to download. 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