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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: This is the extended fourth of July holiday weekend, with

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Speaker 2: the fourth actually being on a Tuesday. So for a

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Speaker 2: lot of people out there, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Bucky

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Speaker 2: is visiting family today. Is that right in North Carolina? Buck?

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Speaker 4: That is right. I am in North Carolina, hanging out

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Speaker 4: with my folks, chilling nice.

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Speaker 2: How's the weather in North Carolina right now?

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Speaker 4: Oh Hartman, Yeah, and it is hot and it is muggy. Ye,

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Speaker 4: commidity is not my friend today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have my Well, people that have listened to

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Speaker 2: me over the years are fully aware that my birthday

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Speaker 2: is the fourth of July, and oh yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: big sort of a milestone birthday for me. It's just

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Speaker 2: such a big number, you know, six ' five, that's

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Speaker 2: that's a big night. That's what it is. You know,

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Speaker 2: you start looking back and I'm like, Okay, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm hanging in there. But my sister is

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Speaker 2: actually flying in today from Iowa, Iowa. Sam. By the way,

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Speaker 2: my sister, who grew up a valley girl in the

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Speaker 2: LA area, has actually lived in Iowa longer than Sam's

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Speaker 2: been alive. So isn't she more Iowa than you are?

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Speaker 4: Sam?

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Speaker 2: Technically I guess, I guess so. But Sam is inviting

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Speaker 2: himself over because he wants to meet my sister, which

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Speaker 2: is fine. On over. You have an open anyone here

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Speaker 2: at Fox Sports Radio has an open invite. Let me

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Speaker 2: make that perfectly clear. I think everyone understands my life

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Speaker 2: sort of an open book anyway, I don't really you know,

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Speaker 2: concealed to me. So absolutely, come on over. So for

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Speaker 2: all the people enjoying the fourth of July holiday weekend,

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Speaker 2: thanks for hanging out with us for a couple hours

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Speaker 2: here on this Saturday. So, Bucky, we got a lot

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Speaker 2: of things that cover. We do have some NFL news

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Speaker 2: you want to get to, but obviously the biggest story

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Speaker 2: has been this NBA free agency. I want to start

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Speaker 2: with the Lakers right now, Bucky, because the Lakers get

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Speaker 2: a lot of attention because they happened to have a

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Speaker 2: guy named Lebron James. And the question was going to

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Speaker 2: be how much of what they picked up after the

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Speaker 2: All Star break were they going to retain? And the

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Speaker 2: answer is pretty much everything. So D'Angelo Russell re signs

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Speaker 2: with the Lakers, Ruey Hatchamurr re signs with the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, who of course came to the Lakers originally

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Speaker 2: as an undrafted rookie, he extended his deal with the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: They pick up Gabe Vincent from the Heat. Your guy

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Speaker 2: will get to that in a moment, and then they

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Speaker 2: add journeymen like you know, Torrian Rints, Cam Reddish, Jackson Hayes.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just looking back at the twenty nineteen

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Speaker 2: draft from four years ago, the eighth pick in that

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Speaker 2: draft was Jackson Hayes, the ninth pick was Ruey Hatchamura,

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Speaker 2: and the tenth pick was Cam Reddish. So they literally

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Speaker 2: have the eighth, ninth, and tenth pick from that single

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Speaker 2: draft of just four years ago. But the one guy

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Speaker 2: guy they needed to get was Brook Lopez, who has

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Speaker 2: decided to re sign with the Milwaukee Bucks. He is

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Speaker 2: going absolutely nowhere. So we talked about this Bucky in

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Speaker 2: the aftermath of the Lakers getting swept out of the

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Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals by the Nuggets. Postgame, Lebron James, you know,

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Speaker 2: of the Nuggets were upset about that they can't. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he hinted about retirement, but really the biggest thing that

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Speaker 2: he hinted was because they were asking him about, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: you guys finished strong, you get to let Conference finals.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's sort of building for next year?

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Speaker 2: And he basically said what he did say, I don't

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Speaker 2: So the fact that they didn't get a dominant big man,

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Speaker 2: but they're pretty much done right now. Jackson Hayes has

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Speaker 2: been a journeyman at best. Cam Reddish is a journeyman.

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Speaker 2: but do you believe that the Lakers have done enough

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think they did a really good

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Speaker 4: done a lot. They've closed the gap. But the Nuggets

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Speaker 2: They are the team to be, and I again, they

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Speaker 2: I've been saying this ever since the season, and what

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry with Jackson Hayes and even they bring back Mobamba,

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Speaker 2: I think he fall four short of that. You know,

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Speaker 2: all this news about you know, free agency and everything else.

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Speaker 2: And I was listening to Jonas obviously on the show

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Speaker 2: but sometimes he does. And the thing he said was

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Speaker 2: is that maybe there's there's a little less appeal in

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Speaker 2: this free agency because when it comes down to a Bucky,

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Speaker 2: there for a couple of championships after that. But when

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Speaker 2: this idea of moving, you know, the top players in

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Speaker 4: No, it definitely is a materializing like everyone thought it

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Speaker 4: would shake out. And you know, one of the thing

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Speaker 4: about player movement, it is empowering and everyone has the

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Speaker 4: live and who they want to play within those things,

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Speaker 4: but the bottom line is always the paycheck, and we

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Speaker 4: are seeing that there are a lot of guys that

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Speaker 4: And so even though they're varying degrees of you know,

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Speaker 4: your ability to get out with the new CBA kind

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Speaker 4: of the guys are not leaving because the money. It

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Speaker 4: comes down to the money. Either they're going to teams

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Speaker 4: sticking with their team because their team can offer them

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Speaker 4: the best deal on the market.

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Speaker 2: Over paying. You mean, like the Rockets for Van Fleet.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you know, we've had a one of our competitors,

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Speaker 2: you know, had a blood bath of personnel, and this

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Speaker 2: thing that they talk about is if you're going to pay,

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Speaker 2: if you're running a business, right, you want to have

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Speaker 2: invested money in people that are bringing money in. In

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Speaker 2: other words, if I'm investing in you, I'm investing in

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Speaker 2: to make me money. I got news for the Rockets.

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Speaker 2: Fred van Vliet is not going to put butts in seats.

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Speaker 2: He's just not. I mean, the Rockets have a pretty

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Speaker 2: proud history. They've had some great superstar players over the

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Speaker 2: course of their history. This is a journeyman. He was

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Speaker 2: in the right place at the right time. It's not

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Speaker 2: that he's a bad player. He's a solid player. But

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Speaker 2: when you're investing money in people, and how many players

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Speaker 2: the NBA that you could honestly say I would pay

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Speaker 2: to see this guy play. Those are the players that

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Speaker 2: you want to invest money in in any business. This

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Speaker 2: is the way businesses run I'm trying to make a profit,

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Speaker 2: and the only way I can make a profit is

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Speaker 2: They're ten games below five hundred. The pottery's have been

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Speaker 2: a disaster, you know, having invested a lot of money

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Speaker 2: put teams together, because Bucky, look at this, the last

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Speaker 2: few champions Denver was pretty much housemade. Were they not

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Speaker 2: the Warriors? You know, outside of the addition of Durant,

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Speaker 2: they won championships without him house made. Milwaukee when they

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Speaker 2: idea of buying a championship, I don't think it flies

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it flies. And I think when

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Speaker 4: you look at all team building, right, team building across

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Speaker 4: all pro sports, the legendary executives will talk about the

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Speaker 4: best way to build your team, and the most cost

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Speaker 4: effective way to build your team is to draft and develop.

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Speaker 4: You're supposed to use the other vehicles, whether it's the

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Speaker 4: trade market or free agency, to supplement what you've already

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Speaker 4: done in terms of building the team from the ground up.

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Speaker 4: And so when teams stick to that philosophy, they're having

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Speaker 4: a lot of success because the one thing about the

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Speaker 4: draft and develop model, you're more comfortable playing paying for

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Speaker 4: the guys that you know, You already know all their warts.

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Speaker 4: When you take in a free agent or acquire somebody

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Speaker 4: via trade, you really don't know everything about them, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of times you don't know it until you

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Speaker 4: get them. And when you get them, if it doesn't

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Speaker 4: fit necessarily with the scheme that you're running within, it's

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Speaker 4: too late. And so the reason why it is better

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Speaker 4: to draft and develop your own is because as they're

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Speaker 2: Okay. I'm glad you mentioned Kayla Martin because I'm going

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Speaker 2: And you know, when Nick Cope is here, I always

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Speaker 7: Got a lot to learn.

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Speaker 8: You know, the money just keeps going up every every year,

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Speaker 2: van Vliet, you know, making forty million plus a year,

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Speaker 2: it's like, are you kidding me? Yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 2: a guy. All right, We're gonna get into that.

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Speaker 8: I was gonna add to further to your guys' discussion

436
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Speaker 8: around Damian Lillard. Bleacher Report just had this that a

437
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Speaker 8: deal for Lillard would almost certainly involve a third team.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure exactly well exactly, Well, they again,

439
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Speaker 2: if they can't get Caleb Martin and Tyler Harrow from Miami,

440
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Speaker 2: they're gonna have to get something else. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: this again. They're under no pressure to trade Lillard. They

442
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Speaker 2: got to get as much for him as possible.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm double checking his contract. I'm pretty sure

444
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Speaker 8: he is under contract here for this, Yes, this upcoming season,

445
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Speaker 8: and then the twenty twenty four, twenty five seasons. So

446
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Speaker 8: he's got two more years left on his current deal.

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Speaker 8: I yeah, yeah, yeah, gonna be very interesting, very very interesting.

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Speaker 8: There's been plenty of other news though today. LaMelo Ball

449
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Speaker 8: it's five years, two hundred and sixty million, the extension

450
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Speaker 8: Austin Reeves going back to the Lakers four years, fifty

451
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Speaker 8: six million, Lakers also bringing back de Angelo Russell and

452
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Speaker 8: added free agent center Jackson Hayes.

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Speaker 7: Those are both two year deals.

454
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Speaker 8: Brook Lopez going back to the Bucks two years forty

455
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Speaker 8: eight million. Patrick Beverly a one year deal with the

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Speaker 8: seventy six Ers worth three point two million. Knicks are

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Speaker 8: trading Obi Top into the Pacers in exchange for a

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Speaker 8: couple of second round draft picks.

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Speaker 7: Moe Wagner, according.

460
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Speaker 8: To ESPN, going back to the Magic two years sixteen million.

461
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Speaker 8: Max Strews four years, sixty three million to the Cavaliers,

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Speaker 8: part of a three team sign in trade. In baseball,

463
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Speaker 8: got a lot of games going on, but a couple

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Speaker 8: games in the latter stages. Padres on the verge of

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Speaker 8: closing out the reds It's twelve to five in the

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Speaker 8: ninth inning, Cardinal's blowing out the Yankees eleven to one

467
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Speaker 8: in the seventh. That is game one of a doubleheader.

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Speaker 8: They got a rained out last night in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 8: Red Sounds and Blue Jays tied at two in the fourth,

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Speaker 8: and then a slew of games just got underway at

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Speaker 8: the top of the hour, So we'll keep you updated

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Speaker 8: on those as the afternoon goes along.

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Speaker 2: Back again, Nick, I want to update on the Liller contract.

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Speaker 2: It's more than that. So he has guaranteed next year

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Speaker 2: forty eight point eight million. He's also under contract for

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Speaker 2: the twenty five to twenty six season for fifty eight

477
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Speaker 2: point five million, and then he has a player option

478
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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty six to twenty seventh season for

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Speaker 2: sixty three point two million. My guess is he'll pick

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Speaker 2: up that option. You think sixty three point two eight million, and.

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Speaker 8: He's going to be thirty six Yeah that year two Well.

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Speaker 2: When you're only playing about, you know, fifty five games

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Speaker 2: a year, I guess you can milk it. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's got two guaranteed years and actually really three because

485
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Speaker 2: you know he will pick up that option for sixty

486
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Speaker 2: three million, two hundred and twenty eighth and twenty eight

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Speaker 2: dollars for the twenty six twenty seven season. All right, Nick,

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Speaker 2: we'll check in with you a little bit later on once

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Speaker 2: you're once again we're coming to you live from the

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Speaker 2: ti iraq dot com studios. Do those numbers scare you,

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Speaker 2: Bucky as a Miami Heat fan, that you would be

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Speaker 2: jumping on a deal to pay him again forty eight

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Speaker 2: point eight million. That's solid for next season. It jumps

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Speaker 2: ten million more dollars the following season, and then a

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Speaker 2: player option for I'm just looking at this number, just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: For one season, sixty three point two million dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: gonna put a little strain on the cap.

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Speaker 4: It might put a little strain on the cap, but

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Speaker 4: you know it's all monopoly money right now. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 4: if you do this deal and you're Pat Rowley, you're

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Speaker 4: thinking about it for two years. You're thinking about a

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Speaker 4: two year run because it tie with Jimmy Butler and

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Speaker 4: his age and those things. Because at the end of

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Speaker 4: two years, you're gonna have to make you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: to retool this roster anyway, because you're not gonna be

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Speaker 4: able to rely on those two guys to be the

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Speaker 4: primary forces of your team. And so it is what

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Speaker 4: it is. It's a two year run to be able

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Speaker 4: to win a title and to see if you can

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Speaker 4: get back and get over to hump.

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Speaker 2: All right, getting back to the Lakers for a moment here,

512
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Speaker 2: because this is a prime example of a team making

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Speaker 2: decisions on a very small sample size. And I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: of the deals they made with Ruy Hatchamura, and with

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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves. Now Hatchamura had largely been a bust for

516
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Speaker 2: the ninth overall pick in the draft is four years ago,

517
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Speaker 2: and then you know, and he played solid for the Lakers,

518
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Speaker 2: but he played extremely well in the postseason. And then

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Speaker 2: the same thing with Austin Reeves. Of course, was picked

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Speaker 2: up as a free agent rookie by the Lakers a

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago, really an afterthought for most of

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Speaker 2: the season, and they put him in the starting lineup

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Speaker 2: and they started winning some games, and he played extremely

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Speaker 2: well during the postseason. So suddenly one guy's making seventeen

525
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Speaker 2: million a year, the other guys making fourteen million a year.

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Speaker 2: You've made a long term commitment for these two players.

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Speaker 2: How do you how do you judge someone? In other words,

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Speaker 2: neither one of these guys really showed that kind of

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Speaker 2: a game until the end of a season and then

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Speaker 2: into the postseason. Can you trust that sample size as

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Speaker 2: a projection for the future, or is it conceivable one

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Speaker 2: or both of these guys will revert back to the

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Speaker 2: mediocrity that they were exhibiting prior to a hot run,

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Speaker 2: not just by them individually but by a team. At

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Speaker 2: the end of a season.

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Speaker 4: I think what you're doing is you're trying to bank

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Speaker 4: on what you saw from them within your system, the coaching,

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Speaker 4: the development, the things that they were able to do

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Speaker 4: in practice, the things that you feel good about from

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Speaker 4: a developmental standpoint, meaning talking to your developmental player coaches,

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Speaker 4: your skill development guys. Hey, where are these players at?

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Speaker 4: How where do you think they can get to in

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Speaker 4: terms of their games? Okay, well, let's look at what

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Speaker 4: they did in the playoffs. Great, so now we've seen that.

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Speaker 4: You believe they have even more that they can give us.

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Speaker 4: Yet we'll bank on that because we feel like we

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Speaker 4: have the right infrastructure in place to max out these

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Speaker 4: players because they were different in a Laker uniform than

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Speaker 4: they were in their previous uniforms.

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is always the hard thing for

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Speaker 2: me to figure out, and it must be even more

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Speaker 2: difficult for people whose jobs exist only because they can

553
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Speaker 2: make the right decision for an organization. But when you

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Speaker 2: pay somebody when they suddenly are, you know, doing all

555
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Speaker 2: the right things, and you reward them with a huge contract,

556
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Speaker 2: even if they're developed within your own system, and then

557
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Speaker 2: once they get paid for some reason, their career stall

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Speaker 2: or even worse, regress. How do you judge an athlete

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Speaker 2: in terms of that fire that burns, whether it's motivated

560
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Speaker 2: by just being the best player they can be, or

561
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Speaker 2: is it simply motivated to get that big pay day.

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Speaker 2: How can you figure out, because we've seen examples of

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Speaker 2: both in all sports, you.

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Speaker 4: Have to know the player really well, and a lot

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Speaker 4: of times, when you're making this kind of financial commitment,

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Speaker 4: you're investing in the person more so than the player.

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Speaker 4: You're willing to write the big check because you know

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Speaker 4: exactly who you're giving a big check to, and you're

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Speaker 4: willing to say that when we give him this big money,

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Speaker 4: he's not going to change his work ethic, isn't going

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Speaker 4: to drop his character, is not going to change the

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Speaker 4: things that he's doing for us. He's going to do

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Speaker 4: it at an even greater level. And so as part

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Speaker 4: of the gamble, and that's why when we talked about

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Speaker 4: the first conversation, draft and development, that's why it's so

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Speaker 4: critical to try and build the majority of your team

577
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Speaker 4: with homegrown guys because you know every thing that makes

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Speaker 4: them tick, You know them inside and out, and so

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Speaker 4: you're more comfortable giving those guys significant money, because you

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Speaker 4: can trust that they're going to not only handle the

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Speaker 4: money well, but they're going to hand the responsibilities that

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Speaker 4: come with signing those big contracts.

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Speaker 2: You know. Go looking back, obviously, with the deals that

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Speaker 2: the Lakers made around the All Star break, worked beautifully

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Speaker 2: for a team that was floundering to the point where

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Speaker 2: it didn't even look like they were going to make

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Speaker 2: the postseason, and then after the break had the best

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Speaker 2: record in the league and get all the way to

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Speaker 2: the conference finals. But that's rare. Too many times we see,

590
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Speaker 2: like what happened with Dallas. Were you surprised, course, after

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Speaker 2: they picked up Kyrie Irving, there was a complete lack

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Speaker 2: of chemistry between he and Luka Doncic on the court,

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Speaker 2: and it was a catastrophe as they completely had a

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Speaker 2: free fall right out of the playoffs. Now they extend

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Speaker 2: the deal with Kyrie. Were you surprised by that at all?

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Speaker 4: No, not surprised, because when you're the MAVs, you went

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Speaker 4: all in to make that deal happen, and so you

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Speaker 4: have to find a way to make it right. And

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Speaker 4: even though it didn't work in the short sample size,

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Speaker 4: what you're banking on is with a full training camp,

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Speaker 4: with maybe more pieces around those guys, they'll perform at

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Speaker 4: a better level. And so that's the only thing because

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Speaker 4: if you lose Kyrie after giving up what you gave up, man,

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Speaker 4: they're all it's all kinds of egg on your face

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Speaker 4: from an executive standpoint, and so you have to run

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Speaker 4: it back just to justify why it was so important

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Speaker 4: for you to make the move to bring them over

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Speaker 4: in the place.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so you have Jason Kidd coaching there, right, and

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Speaker 2: obviously a Hall of Fame player. I still believe one

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Speaker 2: of the most underrated players in the history of the

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Speaker 2: NBA because it wasn't a score, like you only get

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Speaker 2: the attention if your just like a predominant score in

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Speaker 2: this league. But he did so many things so well

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Speaker 2: in his NBA career, But for him not being able

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Speaker 2: to come up with the answers and then by the way,

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Speaker 2: ripping the organization. You remember before that last game when

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Speaker 2: they had to essentially bench everyone, and he said he

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Speaker 2: called out his own organization, say it wasn't my call

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Speaker 2: as they were literally trying to tank and get out

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Speaker 2: and get into the lottery. How does he pick up

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Speaker 2: the pieces? I mean, he was there. It sounded like

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Speaker 2: some new coaches coming in. It's the same guy who

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Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out last year to make this thing work,

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Speaker 2: and now he's asked to reverse course and make it

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Speaker 2: work this year. Doesn't that sound like a pretty hefty challenge.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a significant challenge. But the only way

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Speaker 4: you can get out of this, the only way they

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Speaker 4: can pick up the pieces it have to have honest conversations.

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Speaker 4: You have to acknowledge what went wrong at the end

631
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Speaker 4: of the year, you have to address it, and you

632
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Speaker 4: have to figure out a way to make it better.

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Speaker 4: That's the only way they can move forward. And so

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Speaker 4: with a Ford training camp, really bringing Kyrie in because

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Speaker 4: in the NBA you don't have enough time to practice,

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Speaker 4: and so when they made the move in the middle

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Speaker 4: of the year, they really couldn't put together a solid

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Speaker 4: plan to make sure that Kyrie and look It would

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Speaker 4: be at their best. Well, now you've had a full

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Speaker 4: off season, You've had opportunities to look at what the

641
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Speaker 4: combination looks like on tape based on how the regular

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Speaker 4: season played out, and now you can make the adjustments.

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Speaker 4: This is where the coaching has to come to the forefront.

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Speaker 4: We'll get a chance to see how good of a

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Speaker 4: coach Jason Kidd is based on the way this team

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Speaker 4: performs after having a full off season in training camp together.

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Speaker 2: All right, I have news about a guy that Bucky

648
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: has said might be his favorite player in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I got some updated news for you, Bucky. This is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harvin, Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Saturday.

651
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Speaker 2: We're coming a live from the tire iraq dot com studio.

652
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Speaker 2: So I was. It was on a late night national

653
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Speaker 2: show for a buddy of mine last night, and your

654
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: name came up, Bucky. And the reason your name came

655
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: up is because of your infatuation with a certain NBA

656
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Speaker 2: player by the name of Zion Williamson.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, Zion.

658
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Speaker 2: So, you had made the argument a couple of weeks

659
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: ago that if we were going to put a major

660
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: package together from your Miami Heat to get Damian Lillard,

661
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: you better You would be better served if you put

662
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 2: up a similar package to get Zion Williamson. I asked

663
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: you repeatedly, all things being equal, who would you rather

664
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Speaker 2: make a deal for, and you did not hesitate to

665
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Speaker 2: say Zion Williamson. So I'm going to give you an

666
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: update on the Zion Williams Williamson situation, He's not available.

667
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh so, all the all the rumors about the Pelicans

668
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: trading Zion Williamson, who, by the way, has four fully

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Speaker 2: guaranteed years left on his contract, not even a player

670
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Speaker 2: option in the final year. He's got fully guaranteed years

671
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Speaker 2: the next four years. The Pelicans are basically saying he's

672
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: not for sale, and any rumor to the contrary, we're

673
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: simply that they were simply creative rumors out there. So

674
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: he's going absolutely nowhere. Now that doesn't mean it can't

675
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: be done. It's just again, how much are you willing

676
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: to part with to roll the dice on a guy who, again,

677
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: when he is on the court, he's averaged less than

678
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: thirty games per season over four years. But when he's

679
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: on the court, he's one of the dynamic players in

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Speaker 2: the league. But as I reminded you, in the games

681
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: that he has missed in his NBA career, his numbers

682
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 2: are consistent zero point zero, zero point zero, and zero

683
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Speaker 2: point zero. So can you still make a deal if

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Speaker 2: you're the Miami In other words, how about this, would

685
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Speaker 2: you consider throwing Bam into a deal to get Zion Williamson.

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Speaker 4: Oo boo, I would I would boo. That's tough.

687
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Speaker 2: See, this is what I'm saying. See I'm always I'm

688
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about Bio in a deal in order

689
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: to get Zion Williamson. If you're the Heat, would you

690
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Speaker 2: make that deal?

691
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Speaker 4: Zion is a much better player, But Bam is always available. Yes,

692
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: he's kind of just he kind of fits who the

693
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Speaker 4: team is.

694
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Speaker 2: But see, I know I know how to push your

695
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: but here you.

696
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Speaker 4: Think you I think you have to you have to

697
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: do the deal. I think you have to. I think

698
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 4: what what what you potentially could be getting is I

699
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: mean you talk about a transformational transaction in terms of

700
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 4: a big man inside who can dominate for all the

701
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: things that Bam is great defensive player and all those things,

702
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: he does not have what Zion has on the offensive end.

703
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: And if you're really confident, really confident in your structure

704
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: and your plan and the things that really play Zion,

705
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: meaning his conditioning and the injuries. If you feel confident

706
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: about your ability to get the strength and conditioning program

707
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 4: together with him and to make sure your medical people

708
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: can sign off on it, you do the deal. Because

709
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: you're getting a superstar.

710
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: You are getting a superstar who obviously, by his own emission,

711
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: has underperformed in his NBA career because of the myriad

712
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: of injuries. All Right, So for those people that are

713
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: like jumping through the radio screaming at Bucky like, are

714
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: you nuts? Are you crazy? This guy cannot stay healthy,

715
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: explain what the Miami he could do and can they

716
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Speaker 2: do it in order to keep Zion on the court.

717
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Speaker 4: Well, the number one thing that you're gonna have to

718
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 4: do when when he meets with pat Riley, pat Riley's

719
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: gonna tell him, ay Man, you gotta be in a

720
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Speaker 4: world class shape. That's what we do here. Everyone knows

721
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: what the Miami Heat does when it comes to the

722
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: conditioning level, how they weigh the guys in every Monday,

723
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Speaker 4: they do the body fat test every two weeks, the

724
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Speaker 4: grueling running, and the competitive nature where if you don't play,

725
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: you got to go play in the kennel where they're

726
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: playing one on one and two on two to get

727
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Speaker 4: guys right. To me, what Zion needs is a very

728
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Speaker 4: structured and detailed program that allows him to play at

729
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Speaker 4: his best. He won't like it because he's been given

730
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Speaker 4: the run of the meal. The run of the Keys

731
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Speaker 4: to the Kingdom right away. But if you put him

732
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Speaker 4: in a discipline detail program, one that is going to

733
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Speaker 4: force him to max out the ability that he has. Oh,

734
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Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about a guy that can do

735
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Speaker 4: all the kinds of stuff that they used to get

736
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Speaker 4: excited about when Lebron was there.

737
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Speaker 2: See, I knew I could get you. And by the way,

738
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Speaker 2: if you're the Pelicans and you throw out of Bio

739
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Speaker 2: into a deal, now what else are you going to

740
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: give up? I mean again, you're getting Zion Williamson and

741
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: he's going to be under contract for several years, so

742
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: it's not like he's going to go anywhere. Can he

743
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: give up Hero as well?

744
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: For Big? I would I would always opt for big.

745
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: And even though he's not a traditional big, meaning in

746
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: the size of Joker, he plays like a big. He

747
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: is a dominant player. And I know I'll get crushed

748
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: from people will say, I mean, but the guy's never available.

749
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: He missed all this time with a hamstring. He is

750
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: what he is based on what he's displayed earlier. I

751
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: just think the dude is so talented that if you're

752
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: gonna roll the dice, you roll the dice on that

753
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: kind of talent.

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Speaker 2: Wow. All right, So there it is. I just I

755
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Speaker 2: was wondering if I could sort of get you leaning

756
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: and I had to throw the name Bam out there

757
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: because the you know, the package that we're putting together,

758
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: presumably to get Damian Lillard is not enough for a

759
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: young player like Zion Williamson, who was ten years younger

760
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: than Damian Litwell.

761
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Speaker 4: And that's the difference because Damian Lili you're talking about

762
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 4: two more maybe three years. Zion Williamson, if right, you're

763
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Speaker 4: talking about potentially ten years. And so I would use

764
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Speaker 4: the Joelenbiid example, even though Joel Embiid is not my favorite,

765
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 4: but he was hurt early. When he got it right

766
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: and he was healthy and available, he's played at MVP level.

767
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: Zion Williamson could do the same.

768
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Speaker 2: All right. So there it is. I wanted to lay

769
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Speaker 2: it out there. You heard Bucky Brooks. He lives in

770
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Speaker 2: Breeze Miami Heat basketball and that's the deal. He wants

771
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: to get to get Zion Williamson. All right. Coming up

772
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Speaker 2: on the other side, we got to get to some

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Speaker 2: NFL news. What you mean there's nothing going on in

774
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Speaker 2: the NFL? Oh, you are so wrong. In fact, there

775
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Speaker 2: is a huge story developing right now for all the latests.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here.

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Speaker 2: no doubt. The NBA has been the feature centerpiece of

784
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: the sports news world with all the free agent signings,

785
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: flurry of activity, so a few loose ends, but most

786
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: of the deal's done, either guys returning to their current

787
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: teams or heading out for big money elsewhere. And there

788
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: is a lot, a lot of money, just a lot

789
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Speaker 2: of money. Do you ever look back, Bucky, on your

790
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: NFL career and the kind of money you made then

791
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: as opposed to the kind of money you would make

792
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: now all these years later and saying, dang, I was

793
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Speaker 2: born at the wrong time, Or how do you look

794
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: at that? With all the money that's being thrown out

795
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Speaker 2: to professional athletes these days.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's good now, I mean it's good now

797
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 4: for pro players. I mean you talk about the amount

798
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 4: of money that guys make just on the veteran minimums.

799
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 4: I mean you talk about guys making a million dollars

800
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: per just as minimum players. And so you play three, four,

801
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 4: five years, you got a nice little hit start on life.

802
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: Of the things that as a former player is not

803
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: a level an envy. I think there's a level of

804
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: pride in terms of the things that the NFL, the

805
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: nfl PA, the way the game has grown, the amount

806
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: of money that is pouring in to the game. Like

807
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: how can you be mad? But you do have a

808
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: little envy when you're like, oh, or if I just

809
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 4: could have played in this error?

810
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yes, I mean it's no how much

811
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: money do you believe if you had now how many

812
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: you played? Six how many are almost six years?

813
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Speaker 4: All right? Six years?

814
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Speaker 2: So the amount of money without divulging exactly how much

815
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: money made in your six year career in terms of

816
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: the equal career of what you did? Then today are

817
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Speaker 2: we double triple, quadruple, quintuple?

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Speaker 4: How much more money you're talking about? Maybe three times

819
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Speaker 4: as much? Yeah, but no, if you go all the

820
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Speaker 4: way back then, I told you that minimums at certain

821
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: year marks are almost a million dollars. Yeah, well, back

822
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: then the minimums were anywhere in the mid hundreds to

823
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: the low twos. And so just being a minimum player,

824
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 4: you're well ahead at the game, you know. And so

825
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: that doesn't even include like the bonuses. And now they

826
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: have like the player performance bonuses for those guys who

827
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: are either undrapped or laid round picks. And I mean

828
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Speaker 4: there's so many different vehicles for you to be able

829
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Speaker 4: to get paid in enhance what you earn. And then

830
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Speaker 4: with the training camps and all the other stuff. Yeah,

831
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Speaker 4: like if you can make it through one contract, and

832
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: heaven help you if you get to a second contract. Yeah,

833
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: things things can be sweet for you professionally in terms

834
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Speaker 4: of the money that is being paid out to the

835
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Speaker 4: players today.

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Speaker 2: And let's not forget nowadays, if you are in at

837
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: the college ranks, you're making money. So you're already getting

838
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Speaker 2: a jump start on those.

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Speaker 4: Papers getting I mean you're getting you're gett a jump

840
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Speaker 4: start on those things. And I'll tell you something like

841
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: now in the league that is that will make you

842
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Speaker 4: Obviously you've worked in corporate world for a long time,

843
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: but in the NFL, last time I checked so just

844
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: think about four to one k's. So most companies right

845
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 4: now barely match four one ks. They go to a

846
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Speaker 4: small percentage. The National Football League is a three to

847
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Speaker 4: one match.

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Speaker 2: Are they rentally still so many?

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Speaker 4: Wow? Hey yeah, that's fifteen that you put in. They're

850
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Speaker 4: putting forty five, right, and so Hartman, if you just

851
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: think about like that over time, if you just take

852
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: care of yourself, do a couple of small things like

853
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Speaker 4: don't live lavish, just kind of stay focused. You talk

854
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: about a head start, man, it's all right there for

855
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 4: you if you just have the wherewithal to have enough

856
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: discipline to just do the little things. You don't have

857
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Speaker 4: to be great at it, but just the little things.

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Speaker 4: In terms of socking away money, yeah, I mean you're

859
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Speaker 4: set up nicely if you play in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: More and more guys, I do believe are understanding that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we always hear the horror stories and the

862
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Speaker 2: fact that there's certain percentage of NFL players within two

863
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: years of their final NFL game either just being flat

864
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: broke or filing for bankruptcy. I don't think that's the

865
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: case much anymore. I think that there's enough. You know, obviously,

866
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: when you're having that kind of money, you can still

867
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: live a pretty good lifestyle while putting money away and

868
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: investing in your future. It's just hard for when you're young,

869
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: when you're in your twenties. And I always use this analogy.

870
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: If you are a twenty year old football player. I'm

871
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: just using football as an example, and you love the

872
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: game like this is your dream. This has always been

873
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: your dream to play in the National Football League. You're

874
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: twenty years old, but you're struggling even to make a

875
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: college team, and the devil comes out of nowhere and says, hey,

876
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: you know what you love football? Yes, we'll make a

877
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: deal with you. I will give you the ability to

878
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: play this game at the highest level and with that

879
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: all the goodies that come along with it. Great. Where

880
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: do I sign up? Uh, well, there's there's one little

881
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: copy on you will drop dead on your fiftieth birthday.

882
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 2: Now when you're twenty fifties, Like fuck, that might.

883
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 7: As well be saying one hundred, where do I sign.

884
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: And So this is the problem a lot of times

885
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: because we hear all the time that athletes live two lives.

886
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: There's their athletic life and then there's the rest of

887
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 2: their lives and some have success and unfortunately some don't.

888
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: But if you can make that investment, so at the

889
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: very least, when you when you have a little bit

890
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 2: of a nest egg, you have a means to pursue

891
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: whatever it is you're going to do with the rest

892
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: of your life. And that's that's why it's it's frustrating

893
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 2: for a lot of people that can't even imagine making

894
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: this kind of money, you know, in their lifetimes, much

895
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: less than a year or so, and then at the

896
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: end of it all having no money. It just it

897
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: does register, It doesn't compute.

898
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 4: And I would say, like the difference is I would say,

899
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: let's just use like professional life and civilians. We just

900
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: say it you're normally, for most civilians, they're at their

901
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 4: most mature part of their life when they begin to

902
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: earn significant money, meaning that they've been through some things,

903
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 4: but they've learned how to manage money, deal with money,

904
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: houses in those things. So let's just start saying, you

905
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 4: start making big, big money in your forties, right, you

906
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 4: start making six figures or whatever that is, right, Whereas

907
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: in the National Football League and even in the NBA,

908
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 4: you jump in at twenty twenty one you're giving big

909
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: pay checks and you don't understand it. And so back

910
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 4: in my day when you were paid out, you were

911
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: only paid during the regular season. And so let's say

912
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: over a seventeen week season. At the time, it was

913
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: sixteen games, so you had to buy a week. Monday

914
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 4: you would get a check, so you get seventeen checks.

915
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 4: So whatever your salary was would use round numbers. So

916
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: if it was a million dollars, you divide at best seventeen.

917
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 4: That's what you're getting every Monday. But you didn't get

918
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: another checkst Eve until the next regular season, right, And

919
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 4: so it doesn't seem like much. But what happens is

920
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 4: because the big checks every week are so big, you

921
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 4: go all like, oh, I'm bout all this other stuff

922
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: because you know what, next Monday, I'm gonna get another check.

923
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: And so sometimes when you're young, you don't have the

924
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: foresight to say, oh, whoa wait a minute, this has

925
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 4: to not only last the entire off season, but this

926
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 4: also needs to be socked away for future years. And

927
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: so for a lot of young people who have family

928
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: and everybody else, because it's a lottery ticket, they have

929
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 4: a lot of guys hanging so it's hard for them

930
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 4: to make those decisions. The league switched and now made

931
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 4: it where those seventeen weeks that I told you about,

932
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 4: they now switched, and so they'll break it up over

933
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 4: thirty four they're split it in you know, the fall,

934
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: then also in the spring. So it's not all of

935
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: that at one time. But it was hard for a

936
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: lot of young people to take that kind of money

937
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: and figure out how to put it away, say, plan,

938
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: pay taxes, do all this other stuff. And someone say, well,

939
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 4: that's their own fault. But look, when you're young, you

940
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 4: make silly things, and a lot of times what happens

941
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: by the time you realize how to handle this kind

942
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 4: of money, it's over and you may not get a

943
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: chance to make that again.

944
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you use lottery ticket, you use that term.

945
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: This is this is this is the This is the

946
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: tough part of all of this, especially if you're the

947
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: only one in your family or your extended friendships or

948
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: whatever that's really making some serious coin. No one gets

949
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: anywhere by themselves, whether it's your parents or mentors or friends.

950
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: We all have a helping hand at some point in

951
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: our lives, and many of them to get to you know,

952
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: riches that they never dream possible. But when it's when

953
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: it's you that's doing all the work to actually you

954
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: get there and do what it is that is generating

955
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 2: that kind of income. Where do you stand in terms

956
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: of your own situation, and then in advising others of

957
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: what you actually owe monetarily to others.

958
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: It is really the hardest thing that you have to do.

959
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 4: And what you hope is that you have a solid

960
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: set of parents who are really looking out for your

961
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: best interests and they're not those who are kind of

962
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: taking advantage of your opportunities. Because someone in your inner

963
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 4: circle has to be the no person, meaning they provide

964
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 4: a buffer to you from Sometimes it's your extended family,

965
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 4: your friends, it may be people in the community where

966
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: you grew up who all have these ideas, Hey, man,

967
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 4: if you just help me, give me five thousand dollars

968
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 4: to get me started, or ten thousand do this and

969
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 4: we can do this business in that business, well, sometimes

970
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 4: you need someone that can can say no. The other thing,

971
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 4: and the tricky part of it is when you've never

972
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 4: really dealt with money, it's the first time that you've

973
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 4: really had to sit in financial institutions, whether it's the bank,

974
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: whether it's an investment broker's office, and talk about these

975
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: high level conversations like hey, stocks and barns, bonds and

976
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 4: mutual funds and tax shelters and annuities and all these things.

977
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: And if you don't know, what happens is sometimes you

978
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 4: go too fast. When you go down that path, you

979
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: don't know what you're doing, but everyone has told you

980
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: this is what you're supposed to do. And so then

981
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: you get yourself caught up in a vehicle that you

982
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: don't know enough about, and you can be taken advantage

983
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 4: of by skilled people. And as much as I would

984
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: like to say, like hey man, just go to Bank

985
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 4: of America, go to Chase, or go and just deal

986
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: with the regular person, like the wolves are in sheep's

987
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: clothing sometimes and you just don't know. And so the

988
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: trust part of who you're in business with, whether it's agent,

989
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 4: whether it's financial advisor or whatever, you just don't know.

990
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: And what you hope is you get with somebody who

991
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: really has your best interest at heart. But there's no

992
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: way to figure it out. And unless you dealt with

993
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 4: people who know how to deal with money, meaning you

994
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: have friends or mentors or those things. You don't have

995
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: any guidance when it comes to those things, and so

996
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: it makes it very, very challenging for a lot of

997
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 4: young players.

998
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 7: No doubt.

999
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's a really, really tough question. I mean,

1000
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: you want to take care of people that have helped

1001
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: you along the way, but at some point it can

1002
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: run a mock and all of a sudden, the well

1003
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: is dry and everyone's looking at like what happened, and

1004
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: it's like, I gave all my money away. You can't

1005
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: do that all right. On the other side, we've got

1006
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: controversy again surrounding the National Football League, and I'm still

1007
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what is the root of the problem.

1008
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: We'll tell you what it is. This is Fox Sports Saturday,

1009
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: Steve Harvin and Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Saturday, coming a

1010
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: live from the tairaq dot com Studios. What's your inspiration here?

1011
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: Iowa Sam for playing this song?

1012
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: Yesh, Yeah, I was thinking about The Big Lebowski earlier today.

1013
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 6: Wow outgoing producer Brandon Truffa said it was boring, and

1014
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 6: I was very offended by that, because Brandon, this movie

1015
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 6: takes a little me a little offesome. Yeah, every every

1016
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 6: time you threw out a movie that you enjoyed. He said,

1017
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 6: it sucked. Yeah, yeah, I did not like Big Lebowski's

1018
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 6: is the Stinky Cherry on top? So playing Little Kenny Rogers.

1019
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of movies, I want to see

1020
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: the new Indiana Jones movie. I worked at the movie

1021
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: theater when Raiders of the Lost Arc opened forty two

1022
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: years ago with no you know, idea of what we

1023
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: were about to see. Oh yeah, and obviously it was

1024
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: one of the major hits of all time and all

1025
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: time all time and the opening of the movie. I

1026
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: mean just I saw that movie because we sold out

1027
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: the evening show like for a month and a half.

1028
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: And this is an eleven hundred seat theater. Was a

1029
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 2: one movie theater. That's a big that's a big theater

1030
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: as huge theater. Well there was a one movie theater

1031
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: and I saw, I saw because every night I worked,

1032
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: I would like, you know, stand inside the theater to

1033
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: just watch that opening sequence of the Big Ball and

1034
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: everything else. I will say this about the new movie.

1035
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: You know, like all the Indiana Jones movies are completely

1036
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: preposterous in the storylines, which is fun. And I mean

1037
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I wanted to become an archaeologist.

1038
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 6: And then my parents said to telling me the archaeologists

1039
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 6: don't carry guns and whips.

1040
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: Ry, No, they don't.

1041
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 6: They spend time in the field of dusting off artifacts.

1042
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 2: But I will say this, if if you're a fan

1043
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: of Indiana Jones, like if you're a fan of the

1044
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: whole storyline, you will like this movie. Okay, it sort

1045
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: of puts a bow on things. I got a sense

1046
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: that this is it for Indiana Jones for now. The

1047
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: CGI is so amazing though I've heard it's it's good.

1048
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: It is, Bucky Brooks. They can take you as as

1049
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: you are and literally put you back in your high

1050
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: school football uniform. Oh I like that as you looked

1051
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: in high school, Like it wouldn't be like you now

1052
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: in high school then in high school. It just it's

1053
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: mind blowing what they can do with the CGI. Crazy stuff.

1054
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you are an Indiana Jones fan, then

1055
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: I definitely say get to see the new Indiana Jones movie. So, Bucky,

1056
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my Twitter account and by the way,

1057
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: you can follow us at Cannon Hartman and uh let's

1058
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: see and Bucky Brooks right, m hm. Simple, It's very

1059
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: simple and so and by the way, the reason I'm

1060
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 2: at Cannon Hartman, there was actually an at Steve Hartman.

1061
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: This is you know, years ago with Twitter who had

1062
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: one follower. I don't know if that person exists. I'm

1063
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: on with the Cannon. I lose Cannon Day. So anyways,

1064
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: I got this from a buddy named Ray, and I

1065
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: say buddy because he says, Cannon Hartman, enjoy your show,

1066
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: but your take on Pete Rose. Betting nine games is

1067
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: a series head scratcher. Even betting on your own team

1068
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 2: is a monstrous risk and conflict of interest. Can't believe

1069
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: you don't see why I like to gamble myself, but

1070
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: many big sports scandals dead ahead. Well, the NFL has

1071
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: now suspended four more players, and their crime is betting

1072
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: on their own team to win. We have also guys

1073
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,959
Speaker 2: that get fined or suspended because they're betting on other

1074
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: sports completely unrelated to the NFL, but they're doing so

1075
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: on their company property. So let me go back over

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Speaker 2: this whole thing and the reason that Pete Rose is mentioned.

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00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: So John Doubt, who did the investigation of Pete Rose

1078
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: back in the day, was a friend of a partner

1079
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: on the air that I used to have back in

1080
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: the day, Bucky. So we had on quite a bit

1081
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: during this whole you know, constant bringing up about, you know,

1082
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: whether or not pe should continue to be suspended by

1083
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: the way way his suspension is, but thirty five years

1084
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: almost now, it's crazy anyway, it was originally intended to

1085
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: be a one year suspension. But here here's why. And

1086
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: because I asked John Dowd and all your investigation of

1087
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: Pete Rose that you did over the years as a

1088
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: player as a manager, did you ever find any evidence,

1089
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: any evidence, even a hint of evidence that he ever

1090
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: bet against his team? He said, no, none, Every bet

1091
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: he made bet on his team to win. And so

1092
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out why that is a

1093
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: bad thing. Floyd Mayweather Junior has supplemented his bank account

1094
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: for years betting on himself to win fights, and the

1095
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: last time I checked, never lost a fight. So I

1096
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: wanted to get your perspective on this because you know,

1097
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: I to me, it's all about it's so hypocritical of

1098
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: the NFL to literally engage with these gambling establishments that

1099
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: are finally billions of dollars of revenue into the league,

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: and then suspending players who by the way. Most of

1101
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: these are no name guys that immediately get released by

1102
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: the teams after it's announced they're being suspended. Do you

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: think that the punishment is fitting the so called crime.

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Speaker 4: Who This is a tough one because what you have

1105
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: is a policy that has been grandfathered in. Right, So,

1106
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: before the NFL started making deals with gambling institutions and

1107
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 4: casinos and those things, there was always a hard and

1108
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 4: fast rule about gambling. Everyone knew about it. You couldn't gamble,

1109
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 4: you couldn't do these things. You caldn't go to sportsbooks,

1110
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 4: you couldn't participate in any of that. And then you know,

1111
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: even fantasy football was beginning to be included in that.

1112
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 4: Where it gets muddied is you now have a young

1113
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: generation of players who have grown up playing fantasy football

1114
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 4: and doing those things that are not necessarily gambling, but

1115
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 4: they're kind of like on the line, right because you

1116
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 4: daily fantasy and you have all those other things. The

1117
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: problem that I have in terms of saying like, hey,

1118
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: they shouldn't they shouldn't receive harsh penalties is ultimately they

1119
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 4: tell you, hey, this is the rule. You can't gamble,

1120
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Speaker 4: you can't do these things on football you can't do

1121
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: it from the facility. You can't do these things, and

1122
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: so you would like to think that early what you

1123
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: would have done is you would have kind of like

1124
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 4: a probationary period, right where if you get caught, you

1125
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: get four games and those things. And so you kind

1126
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 4: of bring it current in terms of like the full

1127
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: harsh penalties maybe in a year or so. The way

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Speaker 4: that they are exiting and kicking people out, Calvin Ridley

1129
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 4: being done for a year, it is a little harsh

1130
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 4: because it went from zero to one hundred when it

1131
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 4: came to the NFL being in bed with some of

1132
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 4: these gams gambling institutions.

1133
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Speaker 2: So here are the rules of the NFL. Obviously, you

1134
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: can't bet on an NFL games. That's pretty clear. I

1135
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: personally don't find a problem on wagers that you are

1136
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: going to win a game. By the way, this goes

1137
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: back sixty years when two of the biggest stars in

1138
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: the NFL, Paul Horney with the Packers Alex Karras with

1139
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: the Lions, both members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1140
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: were suspended for a year because they bet on their

1141
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: teams to win, and at the time their teams were

1142
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: the two best teams in the league. So that only

1143
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: makes sense, Right, We're gonna win this game and I

1144
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: can make a few extra bucks, so I'm gonna bet

1145
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: on us to win. And they were both suspended for

1146
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: an entire year. By the way, they were reinstated and

1147
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: have a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1148
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: So you can't bet on NFL games. Here's the other

1149
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: thing that's weird to me. You can't bet on NFL events.

1150
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: For instance, you can't bet on let's say you're going

1151
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: to the combine, right, and maybe you've got guys running

1152
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: the forty. You can't bet on like who's gonna run

1153
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: the fastest forty? Or the draft, like, you know who's

1154
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: you can't bet on the draft. A lot of people

1155
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: bet on the draft, right, I mean this is pretty

1156
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: commonplace nowadays. Who's going to be the number one overall pick?

1157
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: You know what school's going to have the most there is.

1158
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: You can't bet on any kind of awards or Pro Bowl,

1159
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 2: none of that. Anything that has an NFL stamp on it,

1160
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: you cannot bet on.

1161
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: Now.

1162
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: I was brought up. I saw here on Pro Football

1163
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: Talk that you could bet on that event. We saw

1164
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: the other day where Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes are

1165
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: going against Steph Curry and Klay Thompson because it wasn't

1166
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: an NFL sanctioned event. So even though NFL players were

1167
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: involved in the event, because the NFL did not sanction it,

1168
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: you could bet on that. This just seems like craziness

1169
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, I get it, if you bet

1170
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: against your team, you should be kicked out of the

1171
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: league permanently. That to me is a no brainer. But

1172
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: this casual betting and not even be able to place

1173
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: an NBA bet if you're in the locker room, you know,

1174
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: hanging out on the team for Why do you think

1175
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: the NFL is doing this? Because this is a league that,

1176
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 2: for years and years and years, before getting in bed

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01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: with all these gambling establishments, maintained that the success of

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: the NFL had nothing to do with gambling. In fact,

1179
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: my former partner, my buddy Chris Myers, who was all

1180
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: in with the league, still doing obviously announcing for the NFL,

1181
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: he was one of those guys I would get into

1182
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: Bucky about this whole thing and he would absolutely insist.

1183
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if he believed it, but he was

1184
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: insisting at least publicly that gambling had no impact on

1185
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: the popularity of the NFL, and I'm like, are you

1186
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: not disagree? I mean, there is no question that gambling

1187
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: has a huge impact on the NFL.

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01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 4: Two things before fantasy included a gambling element that has

1189
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 4: had a huge impact on the league because you get

1190
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 4: more eyeballs to it. So, whether you have a team

1191
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 4: or not, if you have a fantasy team, you're watching

1192
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 4: more games. You take invested interest in watching your players

1193
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 4: and what they do. And so when you have gambling

1194
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: and you have kind of like the fantasy element to

1195
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 4: go along with prop bets and the various different things

1196
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 4: that you can wager a few bucks on, it absolutely

1197
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 4: has an impact. The National Football League understands that. The

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 4: reason they're so adamant about making sure that the players

1199
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 4: aren't betting or aren't doing those things optics. It doesn't

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: look good when your players are betting, because what it

1201
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 4: does is it leads to suspicions when things happen, Hey,

1202
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 4: why did this guy drop this pass? Does he have

1203
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 4: money on the game? Is he throwing the game? Think

1204
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 4: about those point shaving scandals that we had. I think

1205
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 4: it was the eighties where we had a handful of

1206
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 4: scandals Boston College and some others.

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01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: No, it goes all the way back to the fifties.

1208
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: I mean, especially in basketball, where it's let's face it,

1209
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 2: it's easier to sway a game. If you're a single

1210
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: player in a basketball court, then you are as an

1211
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: NFL I mean, I mean.

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean So that's why I think the optics

1213
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 4: matter more than whether it really has an impact from

1214
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 4: the player on the team is more so making sure

1215
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: that it doesn't have the appearance that there's a lack

1216
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 4: of integrity within the game.

1217
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: All right, I got to follow up on this, but

1218
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: first let's find out what is trending right now. Ni

1219
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: Cope is here and I don't know Nick your thoughts

1220
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: on this.

1221
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 7: Well, I had something to add.

1222
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 8: You're talking about, Hey, if you're betting on your own

1223
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 8: team to win, what's the big deal with that? And

1224
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 8: I saw somebody make a point online like, we get

1225
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 8: word of these bets all the time. So what happens

1226
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 8: if you see a guy who bet one hundred dollars

1227
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 8: one week first team to win, but then the next

1228
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 8: week it's only fifty, So he's he's less common.

1229
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Speaker 2: This was the Pete Rose argument because they said, well,

1230
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: he didn't pet on every game, And I'm like, well,

1231
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: why would he bet on his team to win if

1232
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: he's got his number five starter going against the other

1233
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: team's number one starter, that would just seem to be small?

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 4: All right?

1235
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1236
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: I know again, And how much influence is this having

1237
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: on the gambling establishment? If you have you know, you know,

1238
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs, you know, against the worst team

1239
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: in the league, and you have Chiefs players betting on

1240
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: our team to win, It's like, okay.

1241
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 8: I think it's just easier to have blanket rules than

1242
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 8: have like we were.

1243
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: I don't do I remember multiple players all being suspended

1244
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: at once. When did this start happening as it became.

1245
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 8: Because your phone now has it's so much easier to

1246
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 8: gamble than it previously was.

1247
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: We're going to share some stories on the other side.

1248
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: Sure sounds good. Let's get to this NBA stuff quickly here.

1249
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 8: Damian Lillard, of course, requested to trade earlier today. Bleacher

1250
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 8: Report says any deal for Lillard would almost certainly include

1251
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 8: involvement of a third team.

1252
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 7: Of course, he wants to go to Miami.

1253
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 8: Bleacher Report also says that the Heater prepared to offer

1254
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 8: a package centered around Tyler Hero Duncan Robinson in draft picks.

1255
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 8: The report also says that they would prefer to keep

1256
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 8: Caleb Martin out of any trade. Other NBA free agency news,

1257
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 8: Hornet star LaMelo Ball has agreed to a Max rookie

1258
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 8: extension five years, two hundred and sixty million, Austin Reeves

1259
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 8: returning to the Lakers four years fifty six million. Lakers

1260
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 8: have also brought back to Angelo Russell and added free

1261
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 8: agent center Jackson Hayes. Those are both two year deals.

1262
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 8: Brook Lopez going back to the Bucks two years forty

1263
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 8: eight million, Patrick Beverly a one year deal with the

1264
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 8: seventy six ers. Nicks traded Obi Topin to the Pacers

1265
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 8: for a couple of second round draft picks. Moe Wagner

1266
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 8: to the Magic two year, sixteen million. Yespeter reports, center

1267
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 8: Dwight Powell returning to the Mavericks. Bleacher reports as Jay

1268
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 8: crowder Re signing with the Bucks on a one year deal.

1269
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 7: Let's go to baseball.

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Speaker 8: He got one final Padres rounded the Reds twelve to five.

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 8: Manny Machano hit a couple of homers. Games currently going

1272
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 8: on Cardinals eleven. Yankees won. They're in a rain delay

1273
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 8: in the seventh. They are already trying to play a

1274
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 8: doubleheader today after they had to rain out last night.

1275
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 8: Red Songs have scored four an answer they leave the

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 8: Blue Jays six to two, Rangers up on the Astros

1277
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 8: three zip Twins won nothing on top of the Orioles.

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01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 8: Philly's blown out the Nationals eleven to three, Brewers blanking

1279
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 8: the Pirates six zip, White Sox out in front of

1280
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 8: the Ages three to two, Braves shutting out the Marlin

1281
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 8: six zip and the Mets on top of the Giants

1282
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 8: for nothing. Back to you guys, Hi.

1283
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: Nick, thank you very much. Once again, we're coming alive

1284
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: from the tire rock dot Com studios. Bucky, you know

1285
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: the term friendly wager, Well, let's have a little friendly wager.

1286
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, you're on the golf course with buddies, and

1287
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, let's play for the hole. You know, you

1288
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. You've been in NFL locker rooms.

1289
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: You've been around NFL locker rooms for a long time,

1290
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: so by and the idea of friendly wagers happening pretty

1291
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: much almost every day, pretty common place, I mean, and

1292
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: by the way, it's commonplace in most work environments. We

1293
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: have a society that likes to gamble. It's just the

1294
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: way it is, and that it's no secret why these

1295
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: gambling establishments have become these multi billion dollar bonanzas. People

1296
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: like the wager. I'm not a big wager myself, because

1297
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: my track record is public and very clear. I am

1298
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: as bad a prognosticator as there is out there. Every

1299
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: time I'm absolutely sure of something that's going to happen,

1300
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: almost always it's the opposite, which is why I don't gamble.

1301
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm just not gamblers. But I'm in the minority, especially

1302
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: for people that follow sports. So, without getting into any

1303
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: name calling or finger pointing, but in your time associated

1304
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: with the National Football League, how prevalent is it amongst

1305
01:08:51,400 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: players football personnel to engage in some form of friendly way.

1306
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 4: Oh, very prevalent. It's prevalent because what you have to

1307
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 4: understand is you're talking about some of the most competitive

1308
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 4: people that you can find, yes, and so it's hard

1309
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 4: to turn that off. That's which you can't just flip

1310
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 4: the switch and say, oh, I'm not competitive anymore. And

1311
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 4: so what I've found, and what most former players will

1312
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 4: tell you, is the friendly wagers run rampant because It

1313
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with the money. It has everything

1314
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 4: to do with just being able to say that you want.

1315
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 4: So whether it's you and I betting on the USC

1316
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 4: UCLA game because you're in a lump, you wager that

1317
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 4: whether we're on the plane playing any number of gambling

1318
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: games from bouret to regular like tunk or spades or

1319
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 4: anything like, if there's a game that we can participate in,

1320
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 4: we're gonna put a little money on it to make

1321
01:09:53,040 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: it interesting. Because people like winning video games. Time in

1322
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 4: the league, man, we played video games and you would

1323
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 4: bet on whether you could beat somebody in Madden. In

1324
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 4: those things is all a part of who a lot

1325
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 4: of these players are because man, you compete. You're competing

1326
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 4: in everything, and so some of the trappings of the

1327
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 4: life when you see like, oh, these players live in

1328
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 4: never never Land, it is because everything is a competition,

1329
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 4: and so whether it's on the field, off the field, shoes, cars, women,

1330
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 4: that's that's what it is. And so that is the

1331
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 4: mind of an NFL player, This mine of most pro athletes.

1332
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 2: So it's amazing how there's an evolving attitude about certain things.

1333
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey, the future Hall of Fame Tight end of

1334
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs stated that he believes around eighty

1335
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 2: percent of NFL players smoke marijuana, eighty percent, and he

1336
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: says a lot of guys stop before the season begins.

1337
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're smoking pot all the time,

1338
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: you're not stopping at the start of the season. Well,

1339
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way. I'll put it this way.

1340
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: So in the mid eighties, when I was working for

1341
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: the Raiders is when they introduced drug testing for the

1342
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 2: very first time in the NFL. And the initial test

1343
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 2: none of them were made public. None, And they tested

1344
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 2: for everything. So they tested for marijuana used, they tested

1345
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: for cocaine used, they tested for steroids, They had a

1346
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: multitude of tests. Now I can only talk about the

1347
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: Raiders because I worked for them, and again I'm not

1348
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 2: going to name names, but let's put.

1349
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 4: It this way.

1350
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of players on that team, and this

1351
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: is forty years ago, tested positive for something. In fact,

1352
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: some of the names would shock you for what they

1353
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 2: were tested for and found guilty of. So and I

1354
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 2: want to tie this into the gambling aspect because obviously

1355
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: the NFL is recognizing that the laws for marijuana use

1356
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,879
Speaker 2: are changing dramatically. Across our country legalized in many states,

1357
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: most states, and maybe national legalization actually by certain people

1358
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: that being called for. Same thing, by the way, with

1359
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: legalized sports gambling, which is legal in Ivory State. Not

1360
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 2: all states have it set up yet, but it's a

1361
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: very similar thing. So could we see the same kind

1362
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: of bending of the rules, so to speak, sort of

1363
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 2: a laxing in their attitude toward what was conceived an

1364
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 2: absolutely major crime for any NFL to engage in any

1365
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: kind of smoke in a marijuana Could that also apply

1366
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: down the road to gambling?

1367
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: Hmm?

1368
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 2: Could they lessen the penalties so to speak? Can you

1369
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: see that doing coming?

1370
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't.

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 2: Or are they two different things?

1372
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 4: I think the two different things? And I think there

1373
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 4: are two different things just because of the appearance, right,

1374
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: the appearance of impropriety when it comes to the game

1375
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 4: and impacting the integrity of the game. That will always

1376
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 4: make it more difficult for gambling to be accepted. Like

1377
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 4: maybe marijuana use is accepted today. I think what you're

1378
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 4: also having why marijuana has been kind of passed through

1379
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 4: is you're seeing people talk about medicinal marijuana to go

1380
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 4: along with recreational usage and those things and with so

1381
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 4: many states legalizing it, I think the league was saying,

1382
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 4: why are we kind of making this stance when the

1383
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 4: world or the country is saying it may be a

1384
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: little more apathetic to it gambling, even though we're seeing

1385
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 4: more states kind of like legalize it and all those things,

1386
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 4: there's something about the game and the integrity. Marijuana doesn't

1387
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 4: impact the integrity of the game gambling the which is

1388
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 4: why I think they're taking such a horror stance.

1389
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I differ in this. Like I said,

1390
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: if you have anybody wagering against a team, I mean

1391
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: you can't have let's say Tim Donaghe, you know, the

1392
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: former NBA official gambling nine games. I mean that that

1393
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: is a definite tie to the integrity of any game

1394
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: that he ever worked. I was amazed to the fact

1395
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,759
Speaker 2: that this guy was so blatant in what he did.

1396
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: And when they remember was discovered by sheer accident. There

1397
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: was no investigation going on by the NBA. It was

1398
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: a completely unrelated investigation that led him to find out

1399
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: what Tim donaghe was actually engaged in. And then they

1400
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: look back and found out that the games he worked,

1401
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,839
Speaker 2: there were more fouls called, there were more points scored.

1402
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he was betting over unders on these games,

1403
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: and it's like, how did nobody pick up on this?

1404
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: So the NFL is I think. I think he got

1405
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: back to the your when you said the optics, Bucky,

1406
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: it's about the optics that were a sport of integrity,

1407
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 2: especially now that they have direct ties with these gambling establishments,

1408
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: which by the way, also brings up the officiating in

1409
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 2: this league. I want to get to that. This is

1410
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Hartman and Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Saturday.

1411
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: We're coming Alive from the Tyraq dot Com studios. I

1412
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, Bucky that of all sports, the one least

1413
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: likely to have the outcome affected by a single player

1414
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: to me is football. I mean, you got twenty two

1415
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 2: people on the field at the same time. I say

1416
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: that though, and I'm always reminded when I worked for

1417
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: the Raiders, there was this suspicion about a single performance

1418
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 2: by a single player in a single game. And this

1419
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: one this is public, so I'm not stating something has

1420
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: been thrown out before. So the then Oakland Raiders had

1421
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: just won their first Super Bowl, John Matt and the

1422
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: coach Super Bowl eleven led by their Hall of Fame

1423
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: quarterback Ken Stabler. The next year, they started the season

1424
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: four and oh and they were playing an upstart Broncos

1425
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 2: team that was having a breakout start to their season.

1426
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,879
Speaker 2: They were also four and oh. The game was in Oakland,

1427
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 2: and the Lakers got blown out of this game thirty

1428
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: to seven. Although they out did the Broncos in every

1429
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 2: statistical category except for one minor flaw. Stabler threw seven

1430
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 2: interceptions in that game. Seven interceptions slot picks in a

1431
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: single game. Now, in the often paranoid mine of mister Davis,

1432
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: he absolutely felt that Stabler had thrown the game away. Now,

1433
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: there was obviously zero proof of that, and I'm not

1434
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: accusing anyone of anything that it just that it was

1435
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 2: that idea that that just didn't happen. I mean, he

1436
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 2: was the best quarterback in the league, who are certainly

1437
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 2: in the short list of best quarterbacks in the league

1438
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: at a home game. Seven interceptions in a game, It's like,

1439
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: what the heck is going on there from a guy

1440
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: that didn't throw a lot of interceptions. So my suspicion, though,

1441
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: is is that the people that on the field that

1442
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: can control the outcome of a game or officials. You know,

1443
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 2: there's no doubt. I mean they could call, like you say,

1444
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: you can call a holding penalty on almost every play

1445
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: if you want, they don't. It usually has to be

1446
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 2: directed to you know, if it was it was a

1447
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: holding call that effective right at the point of attack.

1448
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: That's sort of the rule, like on holding calls. But

1449
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: if you see an off ball holding call like that

1450
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: had no impact on the play, why are you calling that?

1451
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 4: So?

1452
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: I just wonder, with the NFL really cracking the whip

1453
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: on players, by the way, not betting against their team,

1454
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: how much attention are they giving to these officials. I

1455
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: know that we're you know now that they're getting pressure

1456
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: from these gambling establishments that they better be a little

1457
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 2: more alert about their officiating in this league. And maybe

1458
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: we are going to get sudden reviews of penalties and

1459
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: not just you know, certain plays out there. But how

1460
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 2: much is the NFL policing their officials. They would have

1461
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: a lot to gain if they were to make a

1462
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 2: rogue call, They could easily affect the outcome.

1463
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 4: Of a game. I can tell you as an employee

1464
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 4: of the National Football League, the league is on everybody.

1465
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 4: I can't tell you the amount of courses, the amount

1466
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 4: of quizzes, certifications in those things that we have to

1467
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,799
Speaker 4: pass just to make sure we're well aware of the policy.

1468
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 4: And the gambling establishments are Look, they have the National

1469
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 4: Football League on speed deal because when you do all

1470
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 4: those things, you have to give you a real name

1471
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 4: and social and your checking account and all those things.

1472
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 4: So it's really really difficult for someone to kind of

1473
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 4: skate by for a significant time without being called gambling.

1474
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 4: Whether it's an official, whether it's a player, coach, someone

1475
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 4: that works around in one of the team facilities and

1476
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 4: office and those things. You can do it maybe for

1477
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 4: a little bit, but at some point you can get caught.

1478
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 2: Not everyone gets caught, bucky, you know that. And by

1479
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: the way, there have been a lot of suspicious activity

1480
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 2: and the players for the years, you know. And so

1481
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: I think that And there are certain sports, as I

1482
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: mentioned with boxing, Floyd maywhether junior placing bets on himself

1483
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 2: to win fights, and he has subsidized his income for

1484
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 2: many years doing that. I think there has to be

1485
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: some And by the way, have you noticed that these

1486
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: players they getting busted are all you know? Oh, I

1487
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: put it this way. The majority of these players that

1488
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: get suspended are released the same day. If it was

1489
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: a prominent quarterback, do you think they get released the

1490
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: same day? You think they would analyze the same way.

1491
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 4: No, No, there's the same look. We treat everybody fairly,

1492
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: doesn't mean we treat everybody equally. So that's what you're seeing.

1493
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 4: It's a different system in the league.

1494
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 2: Well that's my point. If you're gonna have rules making

1495
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 2: them apply to everyone, all right, we're gonna get back

1496
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 2: to all the fallow up from the NBA free agency.

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Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan is gonna be joining us. Still has some

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01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: loose ends as far as some big names in the

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Speaker 2: NFL not yet signed Bucky, So we'll talk with Adam Kaplan.

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Speaker 2: The latest on their status. Getting back to the biggest

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Speaker 2: story of the day, that of course, has been the

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Speaker 2: NBA flori of activity over the last couple of days

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Speaker 2: in terms of free agent signings. And then there is

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Speaker 2: the Damian Lillard situation. And by the way, the Portland

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01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: Trailblazers have had a further clarification on Damian Lillard's request

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Speaker 2: to be traded. They have now stated, and this is

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Speaker 2: the general manager of the Trailblazers, Joe Cronin, what has

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01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 2: not changed for us is that we're committed to winning

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Speaker 2: and we are going to do what's best for the

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01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 2: team in pursuit of that goal. So as much as

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01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 2: they would love to accommodate Damian Lillard, who's under contract,

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01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: as we mentioned, two more guaranteed years and then a

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01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 2: player option three years from now, they're not just going

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: to give them away. By the way, the teams, according

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01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: to multiple sources, that have an interest in making a

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Speaker 2: deal to get Lillard, include the Miami Heat, which we've

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 2: talked plenty about, but also the LA Clippers and the

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01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: Philadelphia seventy six ers. And of course this creates if

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01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: indeed this is true, and multiple sources are said and

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01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: those three teams have indeed showed interest in making a

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: deal to acquire Lillard. Anytime there's competition, that's gonna up

1530
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: the ante quite a bit. So ultimately we get back

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: to your Miami Heat, your beloved Miami Heat, Bucky, and

1532
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: you've already set the bar for those that are just

1533
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: tuning in. Where do you set the bar in terms

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01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: of how much you would give up if you're the

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01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: Miami Heat to get Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 4: The only untouchables are bam Outebayu, Jimmy Butler, Butler, and

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01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 4: then you can have a decision, a choice between Tyler

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01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 4: Hero or Caleb Martin, but you don't get both.

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: And then anything else. On top of that, it's a

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01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 2: fair game draft for the X players, all that kind

1541
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: of fair game, all right, all right, So that's so

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01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out, like the Clippers, because we've

1543
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: been James Harden obviously is another player on the trading block.

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01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm not clear on your stance on James Harden. You

1545
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: remember at the end of the season, Regular Seat and

1546
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: you and I put out our top five MVPs, and

1547
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: of course you were a little shocked when I had

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01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 2: at number one. You'll get you had himb number one.

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01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: He ultimately did win the award. You did acknowledge it's

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01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: one of the very few smart things I ever have

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01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: said in time together. So and by the way, I

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01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 2: like that. So you acknowledge that. But you also had

1553
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: James Harden your top five. I mean, he did average

1554
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: over twenty points and ten a ten assists, So.

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01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 4: I think it was the lead and assist guy, right,

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 4: wasn't it. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, so how much interest do you have in

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 2: the Beard these days?

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Speaker 4: Man? He's such a tough one because when you take

1560
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 4: James Harden, you get the James Harden experience, meaning you

1561
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 4: get the own Cord life, but then you get the

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01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 4: night life and all the other things that he enjoys

1563
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 4: in participating in. And so if you're the Clippers, he's

1564
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 4: from La right, and so everybody can't play at home,

1565
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 4: you know, everyone can't play in their hometown. Too many

1566
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 4: people can get to him, too many things you can

1567
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,719
Speaker 4: get into in those things, and then everyone can't coach

1568
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 4: James Harden. He is ripped through some coaches now in

1569
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 4: terms of he just threw Doc Rivers under the bus.

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01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 4: We saw the issues that he had in Brooklyn when

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01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,919
Speaker 4: you think about Steve Nash and those things. Tyrone lewis respected,

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01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 4: but can he get James Harden to play the way

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01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 4: that you need to play to win and to win consistently,

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01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 4: not during the regular season, but to win in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know why any coach

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01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 4: would want to sign up for that. And this is

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01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 4: me saying at one point I loved his game, but

1578
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 4: an older superstar player who is one dimensional in his approach,

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01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 4: I don't know how you can build a winning team

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01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 4: around him. I just don't know. I don't know how

1581
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 4: you do it.

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01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: Now, Well, here's the problem with James Harden in a sense.

1583
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, as a guy, he's a first ballot

1584
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. He's had an amazing career, but he

1585
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 2: was at his best with the Rockets when he was

1586
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 2: the single most balled dominant player in the history of

1587
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: the NBA, and it's not even close. There was something

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01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: I always wonder about some of these stat jobs because

1589
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a stack guy, right, So there's a

1590
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: lot of jobs when you are employed by let's say

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01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: a TV network or somebody or a team where they're

1592
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 2: asking you to keep track of stats, and I'm not

1593
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 2: talking about rebounds and assists and that kind of stuff.

1594
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: They actually had a stat for number of dribbles. I

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01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: can't imagine if you were in charge of counting how

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01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 2: many times each player is dribbling the ball during the

1597
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 2: course of a game, I don't know. That to me

1598
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: is just ridiculous. But they actually did this a few

1599
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 2: years back, and it turned out that not only did

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01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 2: James Harden lead the NBA in the number of dribbles,

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01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: he had almost twice as many as any other player

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01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: in the league when he was the league MVP with

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01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: the Rockets. In other ways, you remember how this was.

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: He would take the ball down the court and then

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01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 2: he would basically dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, run down

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01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: the clock, and then shoot it three, hoping to get fouled,

1607
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: so a potential four point play. And that was pretty

1608
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: much their offense. So he wants to be in LA.

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01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 2: As you said, he's an LA guy. By the way,

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01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 2: the last time I checked, there are two teams in LA.

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Speaker 4: Lakers.

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01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, let let's slow down a bit here.

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01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: So all the talks about the Clippers and the kind

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01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: of package they could put together to put him with

1615
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 2: Kawhi and Paul George, you know, and in that triumphant

1616
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: and obviously okay, but but imagine if the Lakers, in

1617
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 2: resigning all these players, actually put together a deal to

1618
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,879
Speaker 2: acquire James Harden to play with Anthony Davis and Lebron James.

1619
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: Because we were talking about another ball dominant point guarding

1620
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: Chris Paul. He's not quite to the extent of a

1621
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: James Harden. But we also just saw James Harden put

1622
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: up some interesting numbers in the postseason against the Celtics,

1623
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 2: a series he ultimately lost. And m hm, So you

1624
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 2: can't you can't close your eyes and envision Lebron ad

1625
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: and the Beard on the court at the same time.

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01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 4: No, I can't envision that. I can't. They The Lakers

1627
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 4: just got to the point where they have the kind

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01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 4: of team that can win in terms of they have stars,

1629
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 4: even though I would say Lebron James is a fading star.

1630
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson, I mean, Anthony Davis is an off injured star,

1631
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 4: but he's a star nonetheless. But then you have them

1632
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 4: surrounded by a bunch of try hard, skilled players that

1633
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 4: work all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle fit. You

1634
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: bring James Harden in there, it becomes what it was

1635
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 4: with Russell Westbrook. Because light Russell Westbrook, James Harden can

1636
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 4: only played one way. He's not going to be a

1637
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 4: catch and shoot player. He's not going to run around

1638
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 4: off screens like Steph Curry does for the Warriors. His

1639
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 4: game is to dribble, dribble, dribble, drible, dribble, dribble, driple, dribble, dribble,

1640
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 4: shoot or pass. That's it. He doesn't do anything else like.

1641
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 4: That's his game. And so you can't put him on

1642
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 4: a team where Lebron likes to dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble,

1643
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 4: shoot and pat. It just doesn't work.

1644
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, let's get back to the Clippers. I

1645
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 2: got I'm gonna give you five names of Clipper players,

1646
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: all making mid level salaries somewhere in that ten to

1647
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 2: eighteen million dollar range, and a combination of these players.

1648
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: All right, ready, I got six players for you. Actually,

1649
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 2: so you got Nick Matoon, Robert Covington, Marcus Morris, Norman Powell,

1650
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Abotsa Zubots, Avitza Zubots and Terrence Mann give me a

1651
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: combination of those players. If you're the Clippers, if you

1652
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,520
Speaker 2: really want James Harden, who would you want if you're Philadelphia?

1653
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: But Tune Covington, Morris, Al Zubots and Terrence Man. I mean,

1654
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: these are all, you know, decent players.

1655
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 4: They're they're they're all decent players. I mean, I can

1656
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 4: I can take any combination of those guys.

1657
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: Three of those. Give me three of those players.

1658
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 4: Let's go to Let's go with Man. Mm hmmm.

1659
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 2: Mmmm you Norman Powell, Marcus Morris, Robert Covington, and Nick Batom.

1660
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 4: I would go to Norman Powell.

1661
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Norman Powell, Eviza Zubots, and Terrence Man for

1662
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: James Harden. Yes, you think the Sixers like that deal?

1663
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think Darryl Morey has a tough

1664
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 4: time letting go of James Harden because that's his guy.

1665
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 4: That'd be a hard That'd be a hard one for

1666
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 4: him because he wants more. He would say he wants value,

1667
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 4: and Morey sees his guy as a Hall of Fame guy,

1668
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 4: so he's gonna want Hall of Fame kind of people.

1669
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't think the Clippers have a first round pick

1670
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 2: till twenty nine because they gave up all their picks

1671
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: to get Paul George's you know, all right, something to

1672
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: just this simmer on that one for a moment, all right.

1673
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, we're gonna get back

1674
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 2: to the National Football League. There's still some big names

1675
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: out there looking for jobs. What's the latest. Our Fox

1676
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Sports Radio NFL insider Adam Kaplan will join us. Coming

1677
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 2: up next Steve Hartman, Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Saturday. We

1678
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: are coming in live from the tire rack dot Com

1679
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: studios well as we kick off this extended Fourth of

1680
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 2: July holiday weekend. Who better to talk to right now?

1681
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 2: He creates fireworks every single time he comes on this show.

1682
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 2: He is our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider, the one,

1683
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 2: the only Adam Kaplan. Are you a big well celebrator

1684
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 2: of the fourth of July holiday? I will I will say, Adam,

1685
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 2: if you don't know this, it's actually my birthday as

1686
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 2: well as well as well as the birthday of my

1687
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 2: former boss, the lake great Al Davis. We actually shared

1688
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 2: the same birthday George Steinberre and another guy was born

1689
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 2: on the fourth of July. But anyway, is this a

1690
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 2: big celebratory because Bucky Brooks was saying it was sort

1691
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: of like the last you know, time to celebrate before

1692
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: I did it focus in on a football season.

1693
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Speaker 9: Well, actually, I'll tell you what I've been looking at

1694
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 9: today on July fourth weekend, and happy July fourth weekend

1695
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 9: to everyone out there, is really the craziness of the

1696
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 9: NBA contracts. And now, I there's certainly differences, but then there's

1697
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 9: a reason why they're so high for these veterans. But yeah,

1698
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 9: it's always interesting to see what kind of numbers come

1699
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 9: out for these NBA deals and the structure guys. Really

1700
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 9: fascinating that in the league with the NFL, they don't

1701
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 9: do the player doesn't really get an option.

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01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 3: It's really the club that gets the option.

1703
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 9: You see, these veteran NBA players would get the player

1704
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 9: option for a significant amount of money and talk about

1705
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 9: leard for a player.

1706
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 3: It's all in player's.

1707
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 4: Hands, you know, Adam, and thinking about this, you know,

1708
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 4: and ended we're reaching July four, I think is one

1709
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 4: of the few times that we've gone this deep into

1710
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 4: the off season and we don't know who's going to

1711
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 4: be on hard.

1712
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 3: Knocks all juts though, Yeah, it's got.

1713
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 4: It with the league in hard knocks.

1714
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's not the Jets, I'd be shocked.

1715
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 9: I mean, now without Aaron Rodgers a different story, but

1716
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 9: that to me, based on everything I've heard, they are

1717
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 9: the favorite to get it. If you look at the

1718
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 9: other teams that could get it, not a lot of

1719
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 9: Jets going on, but the Jets that market. I know

1720
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 9: they looked at the Lions again, but the Lions are

1721
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,520
Speaker 9: not you know, the Lines don't want it.

1722
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 3: It's the Jets that should get it.

1723
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 9: You know, I've talked to by the way, I've talked

1724
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 9: to coaches over the years, and going in they say

1725
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 9: they don't want it, they think it's a distraction. But

1726
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 9: like twenty four to forty eight hours in from talking

1727
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 9: to these coaches, they act like that NFL Films isn't

1728
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 9: even there. They know they're there, but it's like they're

1729
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 9: part of their group and they don't seem to worry

1730
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 9: about it. And by the way, the clubs, particularly the coaches,

1731
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,560
Speaker 9: have control of what gets out of their building on

1732
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 9: hard knocks, So it's not the big deal that I

1733
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 9: think clubs in general, managers and coaches would make it

1734
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 9: out to be. In fact that it's truly not just

1735
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 9: going in. They fear it because they don't like any

1736
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 9: information getting out. But again, they have a lot of

1737
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 9: control over it.

1738
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've always had a lot of control. I've never

1739
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: looked at that as a problem. All right, let's talk

1740
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 2: about this gamling. I don't want to spend a lot

1741
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 2: of time on this, but I do want to get

1742
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: your thoughts here. Four more suspensions came out, you know,

1743
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 2: plus fines and everything else. None of these players are

1744
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: really what we would call, you know, the guys that

1745
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,799
Speaker 2: move the needle. In fact, the majority of these players,

1746
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 2: as soon as it's announced they're suspended, get released by

1747
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: their teams. Is there a problem in the NFL with

1748
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: Gambling's that's to me is the biggest question, because this

1749
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 2: is all new, you know, outside of Paul Horning and

1750
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 2: Alex Karras sixty years ago. The idea of players being

1751
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 2: suspended is like this recent phenomenon and now we got

1752
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 2: this flority of activity. Bucky talked about the optics here,

1753
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 2: but what is really going on and how much concern

1754
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: is there around the end NFL about gambling.

1755
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 9: So Steve talking to agents over the last couple of weeks,

1756
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 9: they felt and the league has addressed it that the

1757
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 9: players weren't quite sure what they could do or not

1758
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 9: what they could do and not do. So look, you

1759
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 9: see some of the players that didn't bet on the

1760
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 9: NFL games, but they were placing wagers on non NFL

1761
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 9: sports inside are on the grounds of their facility where

1762
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 9: they practice, and that's a no no. And that's why

1763
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 9: some of these guys got six games. Now, the other

1764
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 9: guys who bet on football, you can't do that anywhere,

1765
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 9: whether it's inside the building or outside. But you can't

1766
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 9: do that, and that to me has always been clear.

1767
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 9: But the players seem to me, some of the guys

1768
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 9: who got released didn't seem to understand that you cannot

1769
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 9: bet on non football inside your own building.

1770
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 4: Now.

1771
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 9: But one thing I would update though, Isaiah Rodgers was

1772
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 9: one of the guys that Colts cut. He actually was.

1773
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 9: He had a very good chance to start the season.

1774
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 9: Remember they trade Stephan Gilmour to the Cowboys. He probably

1775
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 9: would have started. He's like more of a number two corner.

1776
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 9: So that's a loss for them. And this is expensive

1777
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 9: for him. He was going to make two point seven

1778
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,839
Speaker 9: million this season and he even if he's claimed off waivers,

1779
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 9: he can't play anyway because it's at least a year suspension,

1780
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 9: then the player could apply for reinstatement. But no, overall, Steve,

1781
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 9: it's I think the league had of made it make

1782
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 9: a clear and they did. And also, by the way,

1783
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 9: I don't know if you really know this. Players can

1784
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 9: play for in fantasy football leagues.

1785
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 2: Yes, which is why I've been asking this all the time.

1786
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 2: You can actually participate in fantasy football leagues. You talk

1787
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: about a gambling mechanism that you could actually control as

1788
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: a player. You have a quarterback and he has one

1789
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 2: of his teammates on his fantasy football team, and if

1790
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 2: he scores a touchdown, you know what I'm talking about,

1791
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 2: And like, why is the NFL okay on that and

1792
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 2: not on you know, betting on company grounds in a

1793
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 2: sport not even related to football.

1794
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 9: Okay, So the couple of things here. They can play

1795
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 9: and what's called daily fantasy, which is when you you

1796
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 9: know you're doing you're doing on a you take your

1797
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 9: you're trying to predict what individual players will do because

1798
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 9: they woul obviously kind of inside information, and the league

1799
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 9: will tell you that's the biggest issue with players doing it.

1800
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 9: But they could play in season long leagues. Now, non

1801
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 9: players could play in fantasy leagues. Like let's say you

1802
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 9: work in the business side or you work in a

1803
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 9: league office, you can play in a league, a season

1804
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 9: long league. But I'm told it cannot be for more

1805
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 9: than two hundred and fifty dollars in prizes. And you know,

1806
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 9: if you're playing in a league for money, you would

1807
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 9: like at least win one thousand dollars. So that that's

1808
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 9: something that's probably not gonna be very popular.

1809
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 3: But I think this is confusing. I don't.

1810
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 9: To me, it's either either you could play in a

1811
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 9: fantasy league or you could play daily fancy or not.

1812
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 9: It's that part I think is confusing. On your question,

1813
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:45,679
Speaker 9: I think that one's a little little murky.

1814
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 4: What's going on with to Washington Commander's seale Y.

1815
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, so we're going to get an update on the twentieth,

1816
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 9: is there is when they have the league meeting, just

1817
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 9: to go over where everything is at. Josh Harrison and

1818
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 9: his group, who you know, they own the Sixers here

1819
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 9: in Philly, they own the Devils. They've bought into other

1820
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 9: businesses with sports, and that should pass now that the

1821
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 9: question is in that update because you have the agreement

1822
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 9: of sale between Washington and Josh Harrison's group, but you

1823
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 9: don't have it from a league level, and.

1824
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 3: They have to make sure the PaperWorks in order and.

1825
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 9: All the money is there because remember he has limited partners,

1826
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 9: and they have to make sure that those people have

1827
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 9: the actual money that they're saying that they have. And

1828
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 9: the hope is before the start of the season by

1829
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 9: late August, because we've seen some sales over the last

1830
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 9: twenty five years go down in August, and you definitely

1831
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 9: don't want their distraction having to deal with this. And

1832
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 9: Ron Rivera bucky, So the guy's had to deal with

1833
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 9: this now for two years with the investigation on his

1834
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 9: owner and Daniel Schnyder and the potential sale. Now that

1835
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 9: we have this, Ron Rivera's going through a lot there

1836
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 9: by the way, he has personnel control.

1837
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 3: He makes decisions on the roster in every single move.

1838
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 9: And then if this sale goes through, you do have

1839
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 9: to wonder if the Commanders don't make the playoffs, whether

1840
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 9: Ron and his group will be back next year. Because

1841
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 9: I'm what I'm saying here is we see this a

1842
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 9: lot when you have new ownership. You saw what happened

1843
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 9: with Ron after one year with David Tepper, Ron was

1844
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 9: out of a job. Then Tepper hired Matt Rollan now

1845
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 9: as Frank Reich as the head coach. And this is

1846
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 9: just what happens over the league is sometimes owners want

1847
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 9: to bring on their own people. But it sure would

1848
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 9: help if it made the playoffs the season.

1849
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 2: All right, This is a little bit of a side

1850
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 2: trip here. I want to ask about Jimmy Garoppolo. And

1851
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to talk about Garoppolo's health because

1852
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 2: I guess that's going to be determined. But let's assume

1853
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 2: for a moment here that Garoppolo actually is upright and

1854
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 2: ready to go for the start of the season for

1855
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 2: the Raiders. I saw a stat the other day about

1856
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 2: third down efficiency and the top third down efficiency quarterback

1857
01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 2: in the league no surprise, Patrick Mahomes number two, be

1858
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 2: a surprise to some, to a tongue of Bayiloa number three,

1859
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo. So let's I want to ask you this.

1860
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm asking this is that perhaps I

1861
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: have some news down the road related to the Raiders,

1862
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 2: but I'll get to that in a moment. What kind

1863
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 2: of quarterback do you see in Jimmy Garoppolo, assuming that

1864
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 2: he's healthy.

1865
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 9: Actually, if really efficient. You know, his record, I know,

1866
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 9: sometimes records could be deceiving. His career record in the

1867
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,600
Speaker 9: regular season forty to seventeen guys at winner. He's just

1868
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 9: had significant injury problems. He processes well, very well, liked

1869
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 9: by his coaches. From what I'm told from a talking

1870
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 9: to the Niners. He's very accountable. When he doesn't play well,

1871
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 9: he puts it on himself, and that's really important. And

1872
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 9: Bucky knows this from playing and being involved with personnel,

1873
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,759
Speaker 9: and when the quarterback takes responsibility for not playing well,

1874
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 9: you really endow yourself to the coaches and teammates.

1875
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 3: It's never been a talent things. It's just been staying healthy.

1876
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 9: Now a couple of bonehead decisions on when he ran

1877
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 9: and didn't get down. He's had the ACL injury, high

1878
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 9: ankle sprains, broken foot, you know, although when he left

1879
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 9: the nine Ers band, they were on their impression he

1880
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 9: wouldn't need the foot surgery, and then the Raiders did

1881
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 9: the physical and the scans show that he needed it,

1882
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 9: and he obviously he's going to have it. But look,

1883
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 9: this guy's been in the playoffs he's been to the

1884
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 9: Super Bowl. They're backing on him being that guy this season.

1885
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 9: I think it's a little bit risky based on his

1886
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 9: injury history.

1887
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 3: But you know the other thing is, guys, when.

1888
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 9: We look at the quarterback position, these guys could play

1889
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 9: unto their late thirties. I remember rich Gannon tell me,

1890
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 9: had he not suffered that neck injury, he might have

1891
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 9: played until his forties, but he couldn't get clear to play,

1892
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 9: so he retired in his late thirties.

1893
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens.

1894
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 9: But I you know, talking to someone close the situation,

1895
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 9: they're pretty convinced that he's going to be ready by

1896
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 9: the end of this month.

1897
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 4: How do you think everything is going to play out

1898
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 4: in Baltimore? What are you hearing about Lamar Jackson taken

1899
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:56,799
Speaker 4: to Todd Monkin's new offense.

1900
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 9: Well, now, obviously this is completely different from Greg Roman's offense.

1901
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 9: Roman run based West Coast scheme. Monkin very forward thinking.

1902
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,639
Speaker 9: He's going to go with a lot of no huddle.

1903
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 9: It's going to be more of a spread offense, which

1904
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 9: is kind of revolutionary when you look at the Ravens

1905
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 9: because they're typically twelve personnel, which means two tight ends.

1906
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 9: Last season they played even some thirteen personnel with three

1907
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 9: tight ends. They were loaded at that position, by the way,

1908
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 9: but they added they've added four new receivers with it

1909
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 9: who should make an impact. We'll have a chance to

1910
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 9: make an impact, So they're probably gonna spread it out

1911
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 9: a little bit. It's kind of hard to believe, but

1912
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 9: from what I've heard, that's what they're doing. And you

1913
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 9: know quarterbacks like that. But look, Lamar, remember he got

1914
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 9: his deal done in a good amount of time. Now,

1915
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Speaker 9: the question is, as someone told me close situation, this

1916
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 9: is what he's going to be asked to do. BUCkies different.

1917
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 9: He's going to have to call a lot of stuff

1918
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 9: when he gets to the line here based on what

1919
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 9: he sees. It's a little bit different. So I'm looking

1920
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 9: forward to seeing this. But there are no more excuses

1921
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 9: at receiver. Last year they had the NFL's worst receiver corps.

1922
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 3: Not anymore. They're actually loaded at that position, all.

1923
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 2: Right, final question, who gets signed first, Dalvin Cook or

1924
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott.

1925
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Speaker 9: I would say Dalvin Cook. I would say Dalvin Cook

1926
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 9: the money, but he has not gotten his money yet.

1927
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 9: When he gets the money, he'll sign. They're not close

1928
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 9: on that, and then you know the Hopkins is The

1929
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 9: Patriots have been all over this that they are the

1930
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 9: clear favorite to get him, and they are another team

1931
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 9: that's kind of reloaded at that receiver position. And what

1932
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 9: could be, folks, the best division in football this year,

1933
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 9: the AFC East. All four teams have a legitimate, really

1934
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 9: a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. Not all four

1935
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 9: will make it, but I believe the Patriots will certainly

1936
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 9: be majorly improved this season.

1937
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think Bill O'Brien's going to obviously

1938
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 2: make an impact on the Patriots offense. I mean, you

1939
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 2: didn't have an offensive coordinator last year, and that partly

1940
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 2: talked about why Mac Jones regress. All right, Well, a

1941
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 2: happy Fourth of July holiday weekend for you, Adam. I mean,

1942
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 2: we could go all day, but we're gonna give you

1943
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 2: a break. We'll save it for next week. Thank you

1944
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 2: so much, Adam, And happy birthday. Thank you very much, Dad.

1945
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate that as well, Adam Kaplan our Fox Sports

1946
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 2: Radio NFL Insider. Let's find out what is trending right now,

1947
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 2: and Nick is back.

1948
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Speaker 7: I'm back.

1949
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 2: I'm back. I mean, I've never asked you this nick.

1950
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 2: Where is your priority sports wise? I mean the major

1951
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: team sports. Where do you sit.

1952
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 7: In terms of the specific teams?

1953
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 2: Are an interest? General interest?

1954
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 8: General interest football at the top, you know, baseball in

1955
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 8: there as well. Then you get into a mix of

1956
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 8: where there's NBA depending on the time of year. I'm

1957
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 8: pretty big tennis guy. I played tennis growing up in

1958
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 8: high school. So look, oh oh yeah, it's gonna be

1959
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 8: a lot of fun.

1960
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's kind of and I've gotten.

1961
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 8: Into golf a little bit more with the majors, so

1962
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 8: that that's where I am. But I'm just itching. I'm

1963
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 8: itching for college football and NFL give it all to me.

1964
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 8: I love Wimbledon. I love class, the history of.

1965
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 2: Wimbledon, and you know, very much like the Masters, they

1966
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 2: hold on to tradition. I'm a big traditionalist, so I

1967
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 2: like that.

1968
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 8: See that grass go from wear white. Everyone's still wearing white.

1969
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 8: That grass goes from bright green to brown over the

1970
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 8: playing of two weeks.

1971
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 2: Good stuff, NBA.

1972
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 8: All kinds of news today, of course. Damian Lillard earlier

1973
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 8: today requesting a trade. You've got Blazer's GM Joe Cronin saying, hey,

1974
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 8: we're still committed to winning We're gonna do what's best

1975
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 8: for the team in pursuit of that goal. Miami is

1976
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 8: Lillard's preferred destination. Bleacher Report says any deal for Lillard

1977
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 8: would almost certainly include the involvement of a third team.

1978
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 8: Just here in the last hour, though, the Rockets are

1979
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 8: making some moves. ESPN reports they've agreed with Dylan Brooks

1980
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 8: on a four year, eighty million dollar contract. They've also

1981
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 8: agreed with JOHNK Landell four years thirty two million, and

1982
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 8: the Athletics says that Houston has acquired Patty Mills in

1983
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 8: a trade with the Nets. So Houston making some moves here.

1984
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 8: Reports say Hornet star lamar La excuse me, LaMelo Ball

1985
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 8: has agreed to a Max rookie extenshion five years, two

1986
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 8: hundred and sixty million. Austin Reeves going back to the

1987
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 8: Lakers four years fifty six million. Also DiAngelo Russell coming

1988
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 8: back on a two year deal. Brook Lopez back with

1989
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 8: the Bucks two years forty eight million. Patrick Beverly a

1990
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 8: one year deal with the seventy six ers. Let's go

1991
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 8: to baseball. He got three finals now. Padres routed the

1992
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 8: Reds twelve to five, Mets handled the Giants four to one.

1993
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 8: They hit three homers and Justin Verlander allowed just one

1994
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 8: unearned run in seven innings and a solo shot from

1995
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 8: Joey Gallo is enough for the Twins. Today they beat

1996
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 8: the Orioles one to nothing. Bunch of games still going on.

1997
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 8: Still a rain delay in Saint Louis Cardinals eleven, Yankees one.

1998
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 8: They're trying to play a doubleheader today. Red Sox trying

1999
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 8: to hold off the Blue Jays seven to five in

2000
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 8: the ninth inning. Rangers still shutting out the Astros four

2001
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 8: to nothing in the eighth, Philly's exploding nineteen to four

2002
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 8: on top of the Nationals in the seventh, Brewers blowing

2003
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 8: out the Pirates ten zip in the sixth, White Sox

2004
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 8: down in front of the ten to four in the

2005
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 8: eighth inning, Braves blink in the Marlins seven zip in

2006
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 8: the eighth. Back to you guys, all right, Nick, great

2007
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 8: job as always today, Thank you so much. Once again,

2008
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 8: we're coming you live from the tai Iraq dot Com studios.

2009
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 8: I know a player I didn't ask Adam about, and

2010
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 8: I'm intrigued what you have to say about him, Bucky,

2011
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 8: because he still is out there as a free agent

2012
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 8: and that.

2013
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 2: Is Marcus Peters. Marcus Peters obviously broke in with the

2014
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 2: Chiefs and just put up these Ed Reid like numbers.

2015
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 2: And if you don't know what I'm referring to, I'm

2016
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: talking about a guy that not only intercepts a lot

2017
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 2: of passes, but once he intercepts the pass, he does

2018
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 2: a lot with it. I mean, no one was like

2019
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 2: Ed Reed. Ed Reid was ridiculous in his yards per

2020
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 2: return on his interceptions, but the guy closest to that

2021
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 2: was Peters. I mean, think about this. In his seven

2022
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,799
Speaker 2: seasons in the NFL he was out in twenty twenty one,

2023
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 2: he has thirty two interceptions with eight hundred and twenty

2024
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 2: two return yards and six touchdowns. He's one of those

2025
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 2: risk reward guys. Yeah, I he can make a big play,

2026
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,639
Speaker 2: but he could also get burned. As someone that knows

2027
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,639
Speaker 2: everything about playing in the secondary. What do you make

2028
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 2: of a guy like Marcus Peters.

2029
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 4: He's a playmaker, and depending on what the structure of

2030
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 4: your defense is, there's certainly a place for Marcus Marcus

2031
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 4: Peters to be a high level player and that defense.

2032
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 4: But what you have to be comfortable with is he's

2033
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 4: a guy who takes. I mean people will call him

2034
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 4: a gambler. I would call him an educated guesser, meaning

2035
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,640
Speaker 4: the plays that he makes when he jumps routes or

2036
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 4: not just on random guesses. He plays the percentages when

2037
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,680
Speaker 4: it comes to playing the hash split rule, which is

2038
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 4: it's a rule where depending on where the receiver lines

2039
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,719
Speaker 4: up in relation to where the ball is on the field,

2040
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 4: you can anticipate which routes are coming in breaking outbreaking

2041
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 4: in those things. He's one of the best in the

2042
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 4: business at doing that. He is a guy who bring

2043
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 4: some fire and some feistiness to the table. But because

2044
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 4: he's so emotional and aggressive, you're going to give up

2045
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 4: some plays on his side of the ball, and so

2046
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 4: are you a team that can live with that? And

2047
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 4: so I think some of his reputation in terms of

2048
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 4: maybe his demeanor, because some people may perceive him to

2049
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 4: be a volatile player, I think sometimes that works against him.

2050
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 4: But to those who I know that have coached him

2051
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:30,760
Speaker 4: have talked about, look, man, this dude's a student of

2052
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 4: the game. He does things the right way. He plays hard,

2053
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,440
Speaker 4: and yes, you got to deal with the emotional outburst

2054
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 4: at times, but with passionate players, that's kind of part

2055
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 4: of the deal, and so it will be a situation

2056
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 4: that will play out in training camp, either by injury

2057
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 4: or by a team spotting a weakness or a deficiency

2058
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 4: in their coverage after a couple of weeks, and then

2059
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 4: he'll latch on with a team.

2060
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 2: Looks like the Raiders have the inside track. Is that

2061
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 2: a good fit through the Raiders?

2062
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 4: Yes, because he can play man to man, he can

2063
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 4: play zone. He prefers to play off. But you're talking

2064
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 4: about a high high IQ player, and people may be

2065
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 4: stunned by that, but he's a high IK player. So

2066
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 4: when I think about Patrick Graham and the defense that

2067
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 4: they run in Las Vegas, yeah, he fits all right.

2068
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 2: We were talking. I asked Adam about the Dalvin Cook

2069
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 2: Zeke Elliott situation. We've heard plenty about Dalvin Cook, wh

2070
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,639
Speaker 2: of course, is you know, coming up four and second

2071
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:24,440
Speaker 2: of Pro Bowl seasons, so he's still seemingly, at least statistically,

2072
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 2: at the height of his power. What's the situation with

2073
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 2: Zeke Elliott.

2074
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a matter of time before he

2075
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 4: goes back to Dallas.

2076
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 2: You do believe he's going back to Dallas.

2077
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, He's more valuable to Dallas than anybody else. He

2078
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 4: gives them the tough guy, you know, the tough guy

2079
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 4: that they need to run between the tackles. And so

2080
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 4: even though we on the outside talk about the lack

2081
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 4: of explosiveness and the big plays and he's falling off

2082
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 4: a cliff and YadA, YadA, YadA, for the Cowboys, he

2083
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 4: gives them the big back that does the dirty work

2084
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 4: that Tony Poulad others can't do. And so when it

2085
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 4: gets down to it, he'll sign back with the Cowboys.

2086
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,719
Speaker 4: It'd be for significantly less money than he was making,

2087
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 4: but Jerry Jones and the Cowboys coaching staff certainly sees

2088
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 4: value in him. They just couldn't pay him what they

2089
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 4: were paying him given what he was giving them back

2090
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 4: in return.

2091
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 2: I got one more guy. I want to ask about

2092
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz, who, by the way, publicly has stated that

2093
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 2: he's comfortable in a backup role. What happened here? What

2094
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 2: happened with Carson Wentz?

2095
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 4: I would say a couple of things happened with Carson Wentz.

2096
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 4: Carson Wentz has to understand the importance of the quarterback

2097
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 4: is a position where it's not necessarily the skills, it's

2098
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 4: the guy that really makes it go. There have been

2099
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 4: quarterbacks who don't have the most talent, but their team

2100
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 4: always wins. I kind of liking it to playing pick

2101
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 4: up basketball. We've all been in a gym where you

2102
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 4: see this one player who you can put him around

2103
01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 4: for other guys and he finds a way to win.

2104
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 4: Quarterback has some of that. Earlier when you guys were

2105
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 4: talking about Jimmy Garoppolo, Jimmy Garoppolo is not the most

2106
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 4: skilled guy. He drives you crazy with some of the interceptions,

2107
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 4: but when you talk to the teammates, he connects. He's

2108
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 4: a connector. Carson Wentz, for whatever reason, has not been

2109
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 4: able to connect with his teammates. So despite the skills,

2110
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 4: the stuff that he may present on paper, it doesn't

2111
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 4: resonate with his teammates. And so if you cannot lead,

2112
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 4: it's hard to be a franchise quarterback. And so that's

2113
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 4: where he stuck. And so even if he wants to

2114
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 4: be a backup quarterback, in those things, a lot of

2115
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,719
Speaker 4: times the backup quarterback has to be a great guy

2116
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,679
Speaker 4: and a great sounding board to the starting quarterback.

2117
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I wanted to ask about backup quarterbacks because

2118
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 2: we've always sort of kidded about the fact, is there

2119
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 2: a better job you know than you know sitting there?

2120
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 2: And we've seen guys, you know, I used Ti Depmer

2121
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 2: as an example fourteen years. You know, he was never

2122
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 2: really a starter, but he was insanely smart. He understood

2123
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 2: the game well. He you know, he had the ear

2124
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 2: of a guy like Brett farre who you know in

2125
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 2: his development ears with Green Bay. So if you are

2126
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 2: a general manager and you're looking for a backup quarterback

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Speaker 2: that checks all the important boxes, which are they?

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Speaker 4: The most important thing the backup quarterback has to do.

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Speaker 4: He has to be able to be prepared with minimum reps.

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Speaker 4: So he has to be what we call like a

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Speaker 4: visual learner, meaning he can see it and do it

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Speaker 4: without having the repetition to be able to do it

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Speaker 4: many In practice, you're not gonna get many reps when

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Speaker 4: you're the number two quarterback, three or four reps a day,

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Speaker 4: but you have to be able to execute the majority

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Speaker 4: of the game plan, if you hustle, if you get

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Speaker 4: forced into the game, and so can you do it

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Speaker 4: with minimal reps. The second part is you have to

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Speaker 4: be a good teammate, and so there are two ways

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Speaker 4: that you can make up your quarterback room one with

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Speaker 4: a competition, meaning you don't have really a start and

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Speaker 4: you got two guys vying for it, or you have

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Speaker 4: an established starter and then you have what is a mentor,

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Speaker 4: And so the mentor is to help the starter play

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Speaker 4: at a higher level. What did I see when he

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Speaker 4: comes to seld Hey, this is what I'm seeing. What

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Speaker 4: are you seeing? He's another coach, another layer between the

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinating quarterback coach. He's able to give real advice

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Speaker 4: and Carson Wentz is not this you have the starting

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Speaker 4: quarterback and developer. And so for Carson he has to

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Speaker 4: show people and convince people that he can be a

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Speaker 4: trusted mentor to a younger quarterback who also has the

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Speaker 4: skills to be able to go in there and play

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Speaker 4: and play at a high level.

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Speaker 2: All right, in the aftermath of all this NBA free

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Speaker 2: agency signings, this, that, and everything else, has any team

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Speaker 2: out there established themselves now as a prime challenger to

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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets for supremacy in the NBA. We'll give

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Speaker 2: you our thoughts coming up. This is Fox Sports Saturday

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Speaker 10: Here's the pitch and Machado swing sends one of the

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Speaker 10: year to deep left field. Benson goes back and watches

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Speaker 10: this one gonna go long two run home run for Mannyato.

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Speaker 10: He's second in as many innings and now ten to

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Speaker 10: one San Diego in the seventh.

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Speaker 2: and our esteemed producer Bo Benson, who is wearing many

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Speaker 2: hats these days, and we appreciate his input as he

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Speaker 2: always has plenty to put into the show every single Saturday.

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Speaker 2: By the way, once again we're comingy live from our

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Speaker 2: tire rack dot com studios. By the way, a little

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Speaker 2: side question for you related to baseball here.

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Speaker 3: Show.

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Speaker 2: Hey Otani, how about the fact that he just hit

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Speaker 2: fifteen home runs just in the month of June. You

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Speaker 2: know we talk about, you know, generational talent. Well, this

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Speaker 2: is a once in a lifetime player who is leading

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Speaker 2: the Angels in every offensive and pitching category, safe saves

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Speaker 2: or something like that. I mean, it's so ridiculous what

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Speaker 2: this guy is doing. Thirty home runs at the end

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Speaker 2: of June, leads the majors, and of course he's also

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Speaker 2: one of the best starting pitchers in baseball. So if

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Speaker 2: you're the Angels, knowing that he's heading for free agency,

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Speaker 2: with the trade deadline coming up on August first, and

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Speaker 2: the team is still marginally in the playoff chase, would

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Speaker 2: you even consider trading show hey Otani? And by the way,

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Speaker 2: if you do trade O'tani, what exactly are you expecting

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Speaker 2: in return? Can you can a team even manufacture a

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Speaker 2: trade for a guy like him?

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Speaker 4: Man? I I don't know. If I'm the Angels, there's

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Speaker 4: no way I let him go. I just can't let

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Speaker 4: him go.

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna rule the dice that he because if

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Speaker 2: he signs on another team, you end up with nothing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we just have to roll the dice. I just

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Speaker 4: can't let him go. Man, He's the biggest draw He's

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Speaker 4: the biggest thing that we have going. If we don't

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Speaker 4: have Shone Atani, why would anybody tune in to watch

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Speaker 4: the Halos? And so I just think you have to

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Speaker 4: roll the dice and then you have to throw the

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Speaker 4: bag at him and hope that he is falling in

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Speaker 4: love somehow with Orange County and that he wants to

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Speaker 4: be in southern California and that you can promise him

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Speaker 4: that the team is going to be better around him.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I just can't. I'm not giving him away.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I'm with you on this one. If you're

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Speaker 2: can you imagine the riot scene in Anaheim if you

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Speaker 2: were to trade o't time, especially in the midst of

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Speaker 2: the season he's having. I mean, it's just mind blowing

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Speaker 2: to me. The talent of this guy. I guess the

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Speaker 2: only question is and and when he hits the free

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Speaker 2: agent market. I mean, if he finishes the year with

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Speaker 2: like sixty home run let's just let's say it's fifty

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Speaker 2: home runs and he wins fifteen games strikes, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the numbers are just mind boggling. How much money are

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Speaker 2: we talking about? Are you talking fifty million a year?

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Speaker 2: What do you think? I mean, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 2: wrap my head around the I mean, right now, you

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Speaker 2: have Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander. One's thirty eight, one's forty,

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Speaker 2: and they're each making forty three million dollars this year

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Speaker 2: for the Mets.

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Speaker 4: Each.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the bar. What are we looking at with

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Speaker 2: Shoheyo Tani seventy million? Is it possible? I just mentioned

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Speaker 2: the fact that we have a player option on a

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Speaker 2: deal with Damian Lillard for sixty two million on the table.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think you're talking about whatever the

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Speaker 4: biggest contract is. You have to go well above that,

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Speaker 4: and so if we're talking about five hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 4: then that's what you have to do, and you got

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Speaker 4: to stretch it out however you have to do it.

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Speaker 4: But it has to be something that is significant, that

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Speaker 4: is too much for him to turn down. That's what

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Speaker 4: kind of money you have to throw out there, Adam, All.

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Speaker 2: Right, well we'll see how that plays out. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: one month from now, the trade deadline in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the free agency in

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Speaker 2: the NBA and what we've seen over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of days. And still obviously a few loose pieces out there,

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Speaker 2: James Harden, Damian Lillard, you know, maybe Zion Williamson, although

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Speaker 2: now the Pelicans say he's off the market. We'll see

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Speaker 2: about that. Have you seen any team make any moves

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Speaker 2: throughout the last week or so that convinces you that

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Speaker 2: they've emerged as the prime challenger to the Denver Nuggets?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Any team? The only team that has closed a

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Speaker 4: gap a little bit would be the team right here

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Speaker 4: if you're La Lakers, why that would be the only

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Speaker 4: team that I can see closing the gap. Nothing to

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Speaker 4: Warriors than anybody else in the West has done, has

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Speaker 4: closed the gap. That's it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, where do you? I mean? They basically got

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Speaker 2: rid of Dennis Shruder for gave Vincent. You know, gave

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Speaker 2: Vincent obviously and what he did for the Heat. So

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Speaker 2: is that a major upgrade for them just that one position,

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Speaker 2: replacing Shrowder with gay Vincent?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think he is an upgrade because he's a

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Speaker 4: he's a lifesile scorer. But then bringing Austin Reeves back,

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Speaker 4: being able to kind of keep D'Angelo Russell. They have

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Speaker 4: the same squad, but then they get an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: play together in a training camp, which should lead to

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Speaker 4: greater results in better positioning. So they faced the Nuggets

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Speaker 4: later in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: All right, So how are you celebrating the Fourth of

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Speaker 2: July holiday with your family?

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Speaker 4: Oh man, just cookout, just hanging out, hanging the same home.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a great week out there in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Bucky and everyone, just keep it right here. This is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.