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Speaker 1: Chuck Dave's here in spirit, and Jim Morrison's here in

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Speaker 1: spirit too. The Lizard King, Yeah, the very lizard King

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Speaker 1: do they call him?

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Speaker 2: That's so lame he called himself that.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Jim, Sorry, Josh, I think he was super cool,

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Speaker 1: but that's just lame.

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Speaker 2: I agree, And well we'll slam Jim Morrison at the end.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, the reason we bring up Jim Morrison's

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Speaker 1: because we're talking about Perry Lache's cemetery, one of arguably

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Speaker 1: the most famous cemeteries in the entire world, in no

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Speaker 1: small part because Jim Morrison's buried there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a ton of famous people who will

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Speaker 2: go over in a minute. But have you ever been there?

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Speaker 1: No? Never have?

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I have a couple of times. Both my

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Speaker 2: trips to Paris, my buddy Brett and I walked around

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Speaker 2: and went to Jim Morrison's grave as well. Quite a

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Speaker 2: few others did not leave any trinkets or anything, but

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Speaker 2: there were quite a few trinkets and marijuana cigarettes, jazz

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Speaker 2: because it's a beautiful cemetery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently it is the cemetery that kicked off the

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Speaker 1: gardener landscape cemetery craze, where they went from the old

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Speaker 1: medieval churchyards where they literally buried people on top of

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Speaker 1: spread out, that's laid out with like nice shrubs and

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Speaker 1: Even like it was a radical departure from what people

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Speaker 1: that time. And it was I think first built in

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Speaker 1: eighteen oh four by Napoleon correct. I mean he built

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Speaker 2: His spare time. He got a shovel, that's true. Should

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Speaker 2: thank our old friends at how stuffworks dot com and

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Speaker 2: Nathan Chandler for some of this and then some other

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Speaker 2: websites we went to. But we Yeah, Napoleon eighteen o four,

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Speaker 2: he said, you know what, let's let's build this thing.

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Speaker 2: It's it's going to be beautiful. It's going to be vast.

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Speaker 2: The pads are even going to have little street signs

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Speaker 2: It's the largest one in Paris, I say, obviously, but

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Speaker 2: if you've never been there, then you may not understand.

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Speaker 2: When you're in there, you realize just how big it is.

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Speaker 2: But it's more than one hundred acres large and has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty amazing. That's per a guy named Keith

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Speaker 1: Egener who's a professor at the University of Oregon who

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that that I think you

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Speaker 2: It is, and segregated by religion too. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Well, I have a feeling you get in where you

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Speaker 1: requests to be buried in any of Paris's fourteen city cemeteries.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, but only one hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Fifty plots available per year among all fourteen, not just Pariloches,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it's a case where you can just

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Speaker 1: So who are the people that are buried there? Chuck,

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Speaker 2: Well, how about a cliffhanger. We'll take a sort of

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Speaker 2: you can see Jim Morrison, the graves that I went to.

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Speaker 1: Is a door Duncan was a famous writer? She held

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Speaker 1: Paris Salon's eves Montan eve Montane is there. He's an actor.

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Speaker 2: I've held it all this time. It's vintage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think your choices before then you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the other reasons that it's so tight

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Speaker 2: That makes sense. Here's a couple more names. Gertrud Stein.

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Speaker 2: We didn't mention gertrud Stein. How could we not? Or

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Speaker 2: Sarah Bernhardt. Yeah, it's another big one. Who is George

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Speaker 1: He was an Impressionist painter along with the.

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Speaker 2: how many people just said, I'm done with this show.

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Speaker 1: So the name itself, though, pear Lachaise comes from King

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Speaker 2: this one, father Francois.

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Speaker 2: That's die d ai exit. That's how that's pronounced die. Ok.

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Speaker 1: So his name father is pair is father like as

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing, because yeah, I think how many people

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Speaker 1: they wrote letters to one another. I feel like we've

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Speaker 2: And that was another case of they were kind of

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Speaker 1: Right exactly. They brought them together in the afterlife by

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Speaker 2: That's really nice. I would say that, I know we

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, all of these We have Oakland Cemetery

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Speaker 2: all of these places are great, but none of them

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Speaker 2: Danko's gravestones from the band. Okay, fair enough, my favorite cemetery.

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Speaker 1: I've got nothing to top that. So I think that short.

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Speaker 2: Stuff is out.

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Speaker 1: Stuff.

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