1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:23,116 Speaker 1: Pushkin. The band Shannon and the Clams were longtime regulars 2 00:00:23,156 --> 00:00:26,996 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area music scene. The band's two main songwriters, 3 00:00:26,996 --> 00:00:31,596 Speaker 1: Shannon Shaw and Cody Blanchard, met in college in Oakland, California, 4 00:00:31,676 --> 00:00:34,276 Speaker 1: and remained there for about a decade until a number 5 00:00:34,276 --> 00:00:38,436 Speaker 1: of events set them adrift, not only physically but also spiritually. 6 00:00:39,196 --> 00:00:41,836 Speaker 1: There was a tragic ghost ship warehouse fire in twenty 7 00:00:41,836 --> 00:00:45,276 Speaker 1: sixteen that killed thirty six people attending the show in Oakland. 8 00:00:45,916 --> 00:00:48,196 Speaker 1: Then there was a danger situation where Shannon was a 9 00:00:48,276 --> 00:00:51,796 Speaker 1: victim of a stalker, and if that weren't enough, there 10 00:00:51,876 --> 00:00:55,236 Speaker 1: was also the death of Shannon's fiance only weeks before 11 00:00:55,316 --> 00:00:58,756 Speaker 1: their wedding day. The band's new album, The Moon Is 12 00:00:58,756 --> 00:01:01,476 Speaker 1: in the Wrong Place, is taken from a phrase Shannon's fiancee, 13 00:01:01,636 --> 00:01:05,436 Speaker 1: Joe Hayner, uttered shortly before his passing. It's also the 14 00:01:05,476 --> 00:01:08,876 Speaker 1: record's moving title track. Much of the new record is 15 00:01:08,916 --> 00:01:13,076 Speaker 1: a Shannon's grief, but there's also tender moments like the Vow, 16 00:01:13,396 --> 00:01:16,116 Speaker 1: a song Shannon had written to surprise Joe on their 17 00:01:16,156 --> 00:01:20,556 Speaker 1: wedding day. I spoke to Shannon, Sean Cody Blanchard about 18 00:01:20,556 --> 00:01:23,956 Speaker 1: moving away from Oakland the aftermath of losing a friend 19 00:01:23,956 --> 00:01:27,636 Speaker 1: in fiance and about their Dan Aarbach produced record, The 20 00:01:27,676 --> 00:01:33,116 Speaker 1: Moon Is in the Wrong Place. This is broken record 21 00:01:33,436 --> 00:01:37,236 Speaker 1: liner notes for the digital age. I'm justin Mitchman. Here's 22 00:01:37,276 --> 00:01:41,236 Speaker 1: my conversation with Shannon Shaw and Cody Blanchard of Shannon 23 00:01:41,436 --> 00:01:45,596 Speaker 1: and the Clams. When the single The Moon Is in 24 00:01:45,636 --> 00:01:48,516 Speaker 1: the Wrong Place first came out, and when I realized 25 00:01:48,516 --> 00:01:50,956 Speaker 1: it was the album title, my thought was it might 26 00:01:50,996 --> 00:01:53,276 Speaker 1: be one of the better album titles in recent memory. 27 00:01:53,596 --> 00:01:56,036 Speaker 1: And then when I read the backstory, I got a 28 00:01:56,076 --> 00:01:59,236 Speaker 1: little bummed out. I was like, where it comes from 29 00:01:59,276 --> 00:02:01,516 Speaker 1: makes it even better in a sense. But it's obviously 30 00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:03,596 Speaker 1: just a brutal way to come to it. And I 31 00:02:03,596 --> 00:02:05,276 Speaker 1: don't know what degree you want to talk about it 32 00:02:05,396 --> 00:02:08,396 Speaker 1: or Shannon, but you know, I don't know how to 33 00:02:08,396 --> 00:02:10,356 Speaker 1: talk about this, so sorry. 34 00:02:10,356 --> 00:02:13,556 Speaker 2: Well, we're not raised to talk about it or trained 35 00:02:13,756 --> 00:02:18,316 Speaker 2: generally in America. It really seems. 36 00:02:19,516 --> 00:02:23,276 Speaker 3: Like just so not a part of our culture. 37 00:02:24,596 --> 00:02:24,796 Speaker 1: You know. 38 00:02:25,196 --> 00:02:30,516 Speaker 2: The funeral marks the end of your time to publicly 39 00:02:31,396 --> 00:02:38,916 Speaker 2: deal with with the loss. But I'm not going that route. 40 00:02:38,956 --> 00:02:42,356 Speaker 2: I can't go that route. It's not sustainable to me. 41 00:02:43,356 --> 00:02:47,396 Speaker 1: What was your relationship with sort of life and death 42 00:02:48,156 --> 00:02:51,356 Speaker 1: prior to this experience, and has it evolved if it 43 00:02:51,396 --> 00:02:51,756 Speaker 1: has at. 44 00:02:51,676 --> 00:02:56,436 Speaker 3: All, It's yeah, it's evolved a lot. You know. 45 00:02:56,516 --> 00:03:02,036 Speaker 2: I've lost my grandparents who I loved but I was 46 00:03:02,076 --> 00:03:07,276 Speaker 2: not very close with. And we had someone who used 47 00:03:07,276 --> 00:03:14,836 Speaker 2: to drum for us years ago committed suicide and that 48 00:03:14,996 --> 00:03:20,676 Speaker 2: was definitely hard. And then I would say the ghost 49 00:03:20,756 --> 00:03:22,596 Speaker 2: Ship fires, was. 50 00:03:24,716 --> 00:03:32,836 Speaker 3: It definitely? Yes? Yeah, that definitely took a lot out 51 00:03:32,876 --> 00:03:33,236 Speaker 3: of us. 52 00:03:33,356 --> 00:03:36,396 Speaker 2: You know, It's that occurred in like the same kind 53 00:03:36,476 --> 00:03:40,756 Speaker 2: of spaces that we frequent and you know, came up 54 00:03:40,796 --> 00:03:44,716 Speaker 2: playing and had had some friends in there and everyone 55 00:03:44,916 --> 00:03:49,036 Speaker 2: was just maybe one or two degrees away from us. 56 00:03:49,076 --> 00:03:52,436 Speaker 2: So it was that was a really hard one. But 57 00:03:53,156 --> 00:03:58,516 Speaker 2: nothing has affected me like this before ever. I think 58 00:03:58,756 --> 00:04:05,756 Speaker 2: just having it be something from inside of my life 59 00:04:06,116 --> 00:04:11,956 Speaker 2: disrupting every part of my life and changing my future. 60 00:04:13,036 --> 00:04:13,756 Speaker 3: Drastically. 61 00:04:14,636 --> 00:04:18,796 Speaker 1: Yeah. How long after you lost your partner, Shannon, did 62 00:04:18,796 --> 00:04:22,956 Speaker 1: you feel that you could reasonably move forward with music again? 63 00:04:24,196 --> 00:04:25,156 Speaker 4: Pretty quick? Right? 64 00:04:26,036 --> 00:04:26,356 Speaker 1: Yeah? 65 00:04:27,996 --> 00:04:31,316 Speaker 2: I never thought of it quite in those terms, because 66 00:04:33,756 --> 00:04:38,236 Speaker 2: when I write music, it's usually coming from a place 67 00:04:38,436 --> 00:04:42,236 Speaker 2: of I need to get something out of me. 68 00:04:43,636 --> 00:04:43,876 Speaker 3: You know. 69 00:04:44,396 --> 00:04:49,876 Speaker 2: The way I make music is it's processing emotions, so 70 00:04:50,236 --> 00:04:56,356 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be a surprise that that's the route I took. 71 00:04:56,756 --> 00:05:01,076 Speaker 2: I mean, since I was a little kid making up songs. 72 00:05:01,516 --> 00:05:03,916 Speaker 2: I started making up songs when I was really young, 73 00:05:04,036 --> 00:05:08,036 Speaker 2: five or so and not playing music. I never ever, 74 00:05:08,116 --> 00:05:10,156 Speaker 2: I never thought i'd be a musician. That was a 75 00:05:10,396 --> 00:05:13,476 Speaker 2: huge surprise to me, and I didn't start playing anything 76 00:05:13,596 --> 00:05:16,676 Speaker 2: till I was twenty five. But it's always been a 77 00:05:16,716 --> 00:05:20,956 Speaker 2: form of self soothing to me, and now I see 78 00:05:20,996 --> 00:05:26,836 Speaker 2: it as processing too, So songs started coming to me 79 00:05:27,156 --> 00:05:27,676 Speaker 2: right away. 80 00:05:28,556 --> 00:05:30,556 Speaker 1: What was the first song to come to you? 81 00:05:31,316 --> 00:05:34,876 Speaker 2: I feel like it was maybe the bean Fields, not 82 00:05:34,956 --> 00:05:40,636 Speaker 2: like the melody or the music, but the concept and 83 00:05:41,236 --> 00:05:46,956 Speaker 2: maybe life is unfair? Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, we were spending 84 00:05:47,076 --> 00:05:52,156 Speaker 2: so much time just sitting in this crop. I don't 85 00:05:52,156 --> 00:05:56,956 Speaker 2: know if you know, but Joe's pickup flipped into the 86 00:05:56,956 --> 00:06:01,596 Speaker 2: bean field that he tended, and himself. I don't know, 87 00:06:01,716 --> 00:06:05,556 Speaker 2: it's ironic, I guess, but yeah, just me and his 88 00:06:05,636 --> 00:06:10,596 Speaker 2: family and some friends just ended up spending so much 89 00:06:10,756 --> 00:06:16,876 Speaker 2: time just sitting out there, you know, surrounded by this madness, 90 00:06:16,916 --> 00:06:19,636 Speaker 2: you know, as a real juxtaposition between life and death, 91 00:06:19,716 --> 00:06:24,876 Speaker 2: being surrounded by all these blossoms, and bees buzzing, and 92 00:06:25,196 --> 00:06:29,676 Speaker 2: you know, the beans starting to come in, and then 93 00:06:29,716 --> 00:06:33,356 Speaker 2: this big burnt out hole in the earth where his 94 00:06:33,436 --> 00:06:38,076 Speaker 2: pickup had been, and we just ended up spending so 95 00:06:38,196 --> 00:06:41,916 Speaker 2: much time there that I eventually hauled out this camping. 96 00:06:41,996 --> 00:06:45,276 Speaker 2: Matt and me and his sister Beth would just lay 97 00:06:46,316 --> 00:06:49,476 Speaker 2: out there night and day, and eventually we dragged out 98 00:06:49,636 --> 00:06:54,716 Speaker 2: chairs and a table and would meet there like every 99 00:06:54,836 --> 00:06:58,676 Speaker 2: night and listen to music and talk and watch the 100 00:06:58,756 --> 00:07:00,636 Speaker 2: meteor shower that had been going on. 101 00:07:02,116 --> 00:07:04,756 Speaker 3: And I think. 102 00:07:04,676 --> 00:07:09,916 Speaker 2: Being in that environment made me feel really inspired and 103 00:07:09,956 --> 00:07:17,116 Speaker 2: blown away that I could still appreciate anything, and nature 104 00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:21,996 Speaker 2: became a really big, in your face, in my face 105 00:07:22,876 --> 00:07:28,076 Speaker 2: inspiration and just being able to appreciate it in a 106 00:07:28,156 --> 00:07:31,556 Speaker 2: new way and just kind of living in awe. 107 00:07:32,476 --> 00:07:35,436 Speaker 1: Were you starting to trend that way? I mean, you 108 00:07:35,556 --> 00:07:39,516 Speaker 1: had moved to, you know, your partner's farm outside of Portland, 109 00:07:39,596 --> 00:07:41,596 Speaker 1: and from what I gathered was a pretty, you know, 110 00:07:41,636 --> 00:07:45,276 Speaker 1: like beautiful piece of land. So I mean, were you 111 00:07:45,316 --> 00:07:49,756 Speaker 1: starting to trend towards being a person inspired by nature anyway? 112 00:07:50,676 --> 00:07:53,876 Speaker 1: Or was that period of morning more of a time 113 00:07:53,876 --> 00:07:54,636 Speaker 1: where that happened. 114 00:07:55,116 --> 00:07:58,996 Speaker 2: I mean, I've always loved nature, grew up in the country, 115 00:07:59,476 --> 00:08:04,156 Speaker 2: and I've always wanted I mean, I spent sixteen years 116 00:08:04,196 --> 00:08:08,676 Speaker 2: I think in Oakland and then two years in Portland. 117 00:08:09,116 --> 00:08:12,436 Speaker 2: I would go back and forth between Portland and the farm. 118 00:08:12,476 --> 00:08:17,716 Speaker 2: But I've always been a lover of nature, but it 119 00:08:17,956 --> 00:08:23,476 Speaker 2: totally changed. I just started to take certain things really seriously, 120 00:08:23,796 --> 00:08:30,636 Speaker 2: like feeling overwhelmed by the sunsets that we were seeing 121 00:08:31,156 --> 00:08:38,756 Speaker 2: and overwhelmed by plants and bugs, and I felt like 122 00:08:38,836 --> 00:08:41,716 Speaker 2: a new relationship with them. 123 00:08:42,956 --> 00:08:47,596 Speaker 1: Yeah, that Beanfields is one of my favorite songs on 124 00:08:47,636 --> 00:08:50,076 Speaker 1: the album, along with the title track. There's a couple 125 00:08:50,156 --> 00:08:52,956 Speaker 1: others you so Lucky the vow, but bean Fields feels 126 00:08:52,996 --> 00:08:54,436 Speaker 1: like a For it to be one of the first 127 00:08:54,476 --> 00:08:56,796 Speaker 1: songs you'd written is surprising to me because it feels 128 00:08:56,796 --> 00:08:59,596 Speaker 1: like it's coming from a person who's fully, fully processed 129 00:08:59,596 --> 00:09:01,236 Speaker 1: things and fully I don't know, it seems like such 130 00:09:01,716 --> 00:09:05,796 Speaker 1: a beautifully you know, given the circumstances, like a beautifully 131 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:09,716 Speaker 1: formed way of thinking about happened. 132 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:10,516 Speaker 3: Thanks. 133 00:09:10,596 --> 00:09:14,876 Speaker 2: I think that one is something that really surprised me 134 00:09:15,236 --> 00:09:24,796 Speaker 2: that I felt soon after the loss was gratitude and that, 135 00:09:24,996 --> 00:09:28,476 Speaker 2: you know, it's a concept that I've always understood, but 136 00:09:28,956 --> 00:09:35,036 Speaker 2: I think it wasn't until this event where I felt 137 00:09:35,076 --> 00:09:41,156 Speaker 2: it like deep within me, like I have been so 138 00:09:41,716 --> 00:09:47,236 Speaker 2: deeply grateful to have had Joe for the amount of 139 00:09:47,276 --> 00:09:53,636 Speaker 2: time I've had him, and I feel like definitely forever 140 00:09:53,796 --> 00:09:57,236 Speaker 2: changed by having his influence in my life, and I 141 00:09:57,276 --> 00:10:02,836 Speaker 2: feel like I still am being inspired by him as 142 00:10:02,876 --> 00:10:07,916 Speaker 2: a person. I constantly asked myself like, WWJD, what would 143 00:10:07,996 --> 00:10:13,156 Speaker 2: Joe do? You know, I'm like using him as a 144 00:10:13,196 --> 00:10:18,876 Speaker 2: moral compass oftentimes, and I think that was part of 145 00:10:19,916 --> 00:10:22,916 Speaker 2: the joy that you feel in the bean Fields. I 146 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:26,276 Speaker 2: was afraid of that song at first because when I 147 00:10:26,316 --> 00:10:29,276 Speaker 2: started really working on it, that's all that was coming 148 00:10:29,316 --> 00:10:34,516 Speaker 2: out of me, was like a joy, a celebration and appreciation. 149 00:10:35,476 --> 00:10:39,436 Speaker 2: I was so surprised to be writing something upbeat, and 150 00:10:39,916 --> 00:10:43,476 Speaker 2: I was afraid to embrace that because I was like, 151 00:10:43,636 --> 00:10:47,876 Speaker 2: is that disrespectful or is it too weird? Too soon 152 00:10:48,676 --> 00:10:51,956 Speaker 2: to put a joyous song on there? And you know, 153 00:10:52,116 --> 00:10:54,756 Speaker 2: I answered, have answered my own question, and it's no, 154 00:10:55,276 --> 00:11:00,516 Speaker 2: absolutely not. You know this, this grief has been a 155 00:11:00,596 --> 00:11:07,516 Speaker 2: really massive range, you know, of emotions, and I think 156 00:11:07,676 --> 00:11:16,276 Speaker 2: with the extreme depths of depression and darkness and nothingness 157 00:11:17,276 --> 00:11:25,116 Speaker 2: that I've experienced, I've also experienced sheer joy and celebrating 158 00:11:25,196 --> 00:11:27,556 Speaker 2: feels so important. 159 00:11:28,196 --> 00:11:29,956 Speaker 3: Yeah, and really. 160 00:11:30,396 --> 00:11:35,196 Speaker 2: Grasping any bits of light that I can find is 161 00:11:35,516 --> 00:11:38,356 Speaker 2: so important to my survival. 162 00:11:38,996 --> 00:11:41,516 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear that. I'm grateful that you've 163 00:11:42,036 --> 00:11:45,436 Speaker 1: sort of found the strength or the sensibility or the 164 00:11:45,476 --> 00:11:47,196 Speaker 1: courage or to handle it the way that you have. 165 00:11:47,236 --> 00:11:50,516 Speaker 1: It's been the rough kind of beautiful to watch as well. 166 00:11:51,356 --> 00:11:52,676 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. 167 00:11:52,956 --> 00:11:55,916 Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody, As someone who's known Shannon, like you know 168 00:11:56,036 --> 00:11:58,756 Speaker 1: obviously a very long time, how has the last couple 169 00:11:58,796 --> 00:11:59,596 Speaker 1: of years been for you? 170 00:12:03,076 --> 00:12:09,076 Speaker 4: I mean, right after Joe Dive was just fucking completely shattering. 171 00:12:10,356 --> 00:12:11,396 Speaker 1: It was just like. 172 00:12:12,956 --> 00:12:17,236 Speaker 4: Total destruction for me. And then to watch your friend 173 00:12:17,756 --> 00:12:21,996 Speaker 4: have to go through this and deal with this is like, yeah, 174 00:12:22,036 --> 00:12:26,836 Speaker 4: it's just annihilating. Just everything stopped, you know, like we 175 00:12:26,956 --> 00:12:32,596 Speaker 4: just didn't do anything else, just cancel everything. Yeah, and 176 00:12:33,596 --> 00:12:35,916 Speaker 4: you know, Shannon came and stayed at our house for 177 00:12:35,956 --> 00:12:39,476 Speaker 4: a while because she was living in Portland. But obviously 178 00:12:39,596 --> 00:12:42,996 Speaker 4: like didn't want to go back to their apartment. I 179 00:12:43,036 --> 00:12:45,236 Speaker 4: mean I even had a hard time going in there 180 00:12:45,236 --> 00:12:48,196 Speaker 4: and I didn't even live there. I tried to just 181 00:12:49,716 --> 00:12:52,996 Speaker 4: i don't know, be like a point of light or 182 00:12:54,036 --> 00:12:57,636 Speaker 4: be like the kind of friend that Shannon was used to, 183 00:12:59,076 --> 00:13:04,876 Speaker 4: So be present and not like try to force anything, 184 00:13:04,876 --> 00:13:08,436 Speaker 4: you know, not try to like really force Shannon to 185 00:13:08,476 --> 00:13:12,836 Speaker 4: talk about what she was feeling or what's going on, 186 00:13:12,956 --> 00:13:17,476 Speaker 4: and to like allow moments of levity or find a 187 00:13:17,516 --> 00:13:21,836 Speaker 4: little moments of like joy or humor, you know, when 188 00:13:21,876 --> 00:13:22,316 Speaker 4: we could. 189 00:13:22,916 --> 00:13:27,316 Speaker 1: Yeah, how long after Shannon wrote Beanfields did you hear 190 00:13:27,356 --> 00:13:29,036 Speaker 1: it or see it? I don't know if the words 191 00:13:29,036 --> 00:13:30,876 Speaker 1: came first or if everything sort of came together. 192 00:13:31,676 --> 00:13:34,396 Speaker 4: I guess probably December or January, so that was probably 193 00:13:34,396 --> 00:13:36,996 Speaker 4: like four months because we didn't really get together to 194 00:13:37,036 --> 00:13:39,636 Speaker 4: work on stuff until January. 195 00:13:40,436 --> 00:13:42,316 Speaker 1: How did you feel about the things coming in? The 196 00:13:42,316 --> 00:13:43,516 Speaker 1: songs coming in from Shannon? 197 00:13:44,516 --> 00:13:46,276 Speaker 4: We were trying to we keep talking about this. We 198 00:13:46,276 --> 00:13:50,036 Speaker 4: were trying to find another instrument for Shannon to write on, 199 00:13:50,156 --> 00:13:54,156 Speaker 4: and someone told Shannon to get an omnichord because you 200 00:13:54,196 --> 00:13:59,076 Speaker 4: can just push buttons and like it plays chords for you, 201 00:13:59,156 --> 00:14:02,556 Speaker 4: and it has a drum machine in it. So that 202 00:14:02,636 --> 00:14:05,756 Speaker 4: was I thought was really cool because it I think 203 00:14:05,836 --> 00:14:10,036 Speaker 4: it removed the like translation step because there's often Shannon's 204 00:14:10,076 --> 00:14:13,636 Speaker 4: writing on bass and then we're trying to find these 205 00:14:13,716 --> 00:14:16,276 Speaker 4: chords that work with you know, what she's singing or 206 00:14:17,436 --> 00:14:19,196 Speaker 4: you know, like if you play a bass note and 207 00:14:19,236 --> 00:14:21,276 Speaker 4: then you sing a melody on top of it, it 208 00:14:21,316 --> 00:14:25,396 Speaker 4: informs like what the key it's in or what chords 209 00:14:25,676 --> 00:14:26,436 Speaker 4: would work. 210 00:14:26,236 --> 00:14:28,356 Speaker 1: With it, right, and then if you change the bass 211 00:14:28,356 --> 00:14:32,716 Speaker 1: note or something, it would totally change the. 212 00:14:32,196 --> 00:14:37,916 Speaker 4: Between those two notes. But it like removed that translation 213 00:14:38,356 --> 00:14:41,716 Speaker 4: kind of step. And then Shannon could just like play 214 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:45,076 Speaker 4: around with all these different weirdo chords and I think 215 00:14:45,116 --> 00:14:46,036 Speaker 4: write more freely. 216 00:14:46,756 --> 00:14:49,516 Speaker 1: And then so like we're the demos with omni chord 217 00:14:49,676 --> 00:14:52,716 Speaker 1: on them that you're hearing, Yeah, that's pretty cool. Like 218 00:14:52,876 --> 00:14:55,116 Speaker 1: how did that inform? I guess what you do? Then? 219 00:14:55,156 --> 00:14:57,676 Speaker 1: As a guitar player, must have just given you like 220 00:14:57,716 --> 00:15:00,516 Speaker 1: a kind of a pretty strong blueprint for what to do. 221 00:15:00,556 --> 00:15:00,996 Speaker 1: I guess. 222 00:15:01,196 --> 00:15:05,356 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still has to get glued together, and I 223 00:15:05,356 --> 00:15:09,956 Speaker 4: think like backing vocals and harmonies and stuff still come 224 00:15:09,996 --> 00:15:11,956 Speaker 4: to you know, like Shannon usually has an idea for 225 00:15:12,716 --> 00:15:15,196 Speaker 4: a backing vocal, but it's just it's different when we 226 00:15:15,236 --> 00:15:18,036 Speaker 4: all get together because we bring different like we sing 227 00:15:18,076 --> 00:15:20,796 Speaker 4: in different ranges and have different ideas, and we tried, 228 00:15:20,916 --> 00:15:25,556 Speaker 4: we tried to like have a more free form, you know, 229 00:15:25,636 --> 00:15:30,156 Speaker 4: like jam session where we were coming with really incomplete ideas. 230 00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:32,316 Speaker 4: But I don't know. It was cool and it was fun, 231 00:15:32,316 --> 00:15:36,076 Speaker 4: but we didn't actually produce that much usable stuff. It 232 00:15:36,156 --> 00:15:38,996 Speaker 4: just felt like everything was like upside down and we 233 00:15:38,996 --> 00:15:39,916 Speaker 4: could try anything. 234 00:15:40,116 --> 00:15:42,116 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it felt like a good time just to 235 00:15:42,156 --> 00:15:44,116 Speaker 1: try a new playbook maybe, But. 236 00:15:44,116 --> 00:15:46,716 Speaker 4: The stuff we kept from it was really stuff that 237 00:15:46,796 --> 00:15:50,596 Speaker 4: had been pretty well like written before because we were 238 00:15:50,636 --> 00:15:53,636 Speaker 4: recording in March and that's started in January, so it 239 00:15:53,676 --> 00:15:56,876 Speaker 4: wasn't like a ton of time to write stuff. 240 00:15:57,356 --> 00:16:00,036 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was writing on the on the code for you. 241 00:16:00,876 --> 00:16:04,996 Speaker 3: It opened up a whole new world. 242 00:16:05,356 --> 00:16:10,556 Speaker 2: I mean, it just made I was just over flowing 243 00:16:10,716 --> 00:16:16,956 Speaker 2: with ideas that I couldn't capture because I just felt 244 00:16:17,036 --> 00:16:20,716 Speaker 2: too limited on the bass. That's how I normally write songs. 245 00:16:21,596 --> 00:16:25,996 Speaker 2: And I only know a handful of guitar chords. And 246 00:16:26,036 --> 00:16:29,636 Speaker 2: I'm not a good guitar player at all. I'm not 247 00:16:29,716 --> 00:16:31,556 Speaker 2: even an okay guitar player. 248 00:16:31,836 --> 00:16:32,836 Speaker 1: Do you try? Do you try? 249 00:16:33,076 --> 00:16:34,476 Speaker 3: I try? I try. 250 00:16:34,596 --> 00:16:40,156 Speaker 2: Yeah. Joe actually made me learn a few guitar chords 251 00:16:40,436 --> 00:16:45,476 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. It was important to him that I 252 00:16:45,556 --> 00:16:48,356 Speaker 2: learn a few. He was like, just trust me, you're 253 00:16:48,396 --> 00:16:48,956 Speaker 2: gonna love it. 254 00:16:48,996 --> 00:16:51,516 Speaker 3: You're gonna get it. It's just gonna help you. You're 255 00:16:51,516 --> 00:16:52,116 Speaker 3: gonna love it. 256 00:16:52,396 --> 00:16:56,156 Speaker 2: And I was so resistant because I hate being bad 257 00:16:56,196 --> 00:16:59,956 Speaker 2: at stuff. And that's actually kind of how I wrote 258 00:16:59,996 --> 00:17:04,036 Speaker 2: the vow. I used the chords he taught me and 259 00:17:04,596 --> 00:17:05,716 Speaker 2: wrote that song. 260 00:17:06,076 --> 00:17:06,476 Speaker 1: Wow. 261 00:17:07,796 --> 00:17:10,756 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one song that was written before he 262 00:17:10,836 --> 00:17:13,156 Speaker 2: died because I was going to perform it at our 263 00:17:13,196 --> 00:17:16,956 Speaker 2: wedding as a surprise to him. Yeah, but yeah, it 264 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:21,836 Speaker 2: was going to be that really simple, simple song, and 265 00:17:23,036 --> 00:17:27,276 Speaker 2: it made me furious that he was never going to 266 00:17:27,316 --> 00:17:30,476 Speaker 2: get to hear it. You know, I would never written 267 00:17:30,516 --> 00:17:35,076 Speaker 2: it if he hadn't convinced me that I should learn 268 00:17:35,116 --> 00:17:39,476 Speaker 2: a few chords. And I did get really addicted to 269 00:17:39,636 --> 00:17:44,796 Speaker 2: guitar during lockdown, and it. 270 00:17:44,476 --> 00:17:45,956 Speaker 3: Had become a great tool to me. 271 00:17:46,156 --> 00:17:50,596 Speaker 2: I never got good, but yeah, I was really sad 272 00:17:50,836 --> 00:17:53,476 Speaker 2: for some reason that detail. Of all of the things 273 00:17:54,076 --> 00:17:57,556 Speaker 2: that I was mad about, I kept coming back to 274 00:17:57,836 --> 00:18:03,396 Speaker 2: that song and it was just so naive, you know, 275 00:18:03,476 --> 00:18:08,876 Speaker 2: it was so full of hope and joy and was 276 00:18:09,196 --> 00:18:10,796 Speaker 2: it and when I. 277 00:18:10,716 --> 00:18:13,196 Speaker 3: Was the happiest I've ever been in my whole life. 278 00:18:13,116 --> 00:18:13,316 Speaker 1: You know. 279 00:18:13,636 --> 00:18:19,596 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess I wanted that to be on 280 00:18:19,676 --> 00:18:28,276 Speaker 2: the album to tell the story of, like, look how 281 00:18:28,356 --> 00:18:32,036 Speaker 2: fucking happy I was, you know, like we had our 282 00:18:32,076 --> 00:18:37,076 Speaker 2: lives like together, things were going great, and. 283 00:18:38,076 --> 00:18:40,396 Speaker 3: That song was just such a symbol. 284 00:18:40,196 --> 00:18:48,596 Speaker 2: Of of how much I believed in our union and 285 00:18:49,076 --> 00:18:53,836 Speaker 2: how proud I was. So I guess I just wanted 286 00:18:53,876 --> 00:18:59,636 Speaker 2: to kind of share with people how it felt for 287 00:18:59,756 --> 00:19:06,556 Speaker 2: everything to stop. And that's essentially what we put the 288 00:19:06,636 --> 00:19:09,956 Speaker 2: Vow next to our Glass too, because I feel like 289 00:19:09,996 --> 00:19:17,236 Speaker 2: those two songs together some up that nightmarish journey, you know, 290 00:19:17,556 --> 00:19:18,356 Speaker 2: of the beginning. 291 00:19:18,996 --> 00:19:22,476 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be right back with more from Shannon and 292 00:19:22,516 --> 00:19:29,476 Speaker 1: the Clams after this break. We're back with Shannon and 293 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:33,596 Speaker 1: the Clams. When did you decide to put the Vow 294 00:19:33,716 --> 00:19:35,676 Speaker 1: on the album or to revisit it as a song? 295 00:19:35,796 --> 00:19:39,716 Speaker 2: And rework it and I didn't show anyone until we 296 00:19:39,716 --> 00:19:44,636 Speaker 2: were at this session in January when we were writing together, 297 00:19:45,276 --> 00:19:49,836 Speaker 2: and I was like, knew that it would could be 298 00:19:49,916 --> 00:19:54,556 Speaker 2: potentially cruel, you know, I never know how real to get, 299 00:19:55,396 --> 00:19:58,476 Speaker 2: and I decided to just be like completely real, like 300 00:19:58,796 --> 00:20:02,276 Speaker 2: I'm going to just share the devastation because I can't 301 00:20:02,476 --> 00:20:04,676 Speaker 2: I can't hold it by myself. 302 00:20:05,036 --> 00:20:06,956 Speaker 1: When you say you in the past or you know, 303 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:09,876 Speaker 1: you're never sure how real to get, Like, what do 304 00:20:09,916 --> 00:20:11,436 Speaker 1: you think that instinct. 305 00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:17,196 Speaker 2: Is protecting people? Also, it's just hard. It's hard and 306 00:20:17,316 --> 00:20:22,196 Speaker 2: exhausting to be so vulnerable all the time. Yeah, lately, 307 00:20:22,876 --> 00:20:27,996 Speaker 2: I'm just talking about my grief with press because y'all 308 00:20:27,996 --> 00:20:28,596 Speaker 2: are asking. 309 00:20:29,516 --> 00:20:32,556 Speaker 3: And I do find myself. 310 00:20:33,516 --> 00:20:39,196 Speaker 2: Keeping certain thoughts to myself because they're so sad. I 311 00:20:39,236 --> 00:20:45,636 Speaker 2: don't want to like take someone's innocence away by by 312 00:20:45,756 --> 00:20:50,796 Speaker 2: sharing them like with them, like some of the extreme 313 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:55,796 Speaker 2: darkness that I live with now, you know. Yeah, but 314 00:20:55,916 --> 00:21:01,796 Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm also really open, but if 315 00:21:01,836 --> 00:21:05,596 Speaker 2: no one's asking, I'm not usually bringing it out currently. 316 00:21:05,996 --> 00:21:09,116 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you prefer do you prefer people not to add? 317 00:21:09,596 --> 00:21:10,956 Speaker 1: I mean, where are you at with them? 318 00:21:11,156 --> 00:21:14,236 Speaker 2: I want people to ask because it's my life now, 319 00:21:15,036 --> 00:21:17,436 Speaker 2: this is my life, this is all I think about. 320 00:21:18,436 --> 00:21:23,036 Speaker 2: And what is weird to me is if you are 321 00:21:23,956 --> 00:21:28,276 Speaker 2: someone who loves me, friends or family wise, and it 322 00:21:28,316 --> 00:21:31,196 Speaker 2: doesn't come up, you don't bring it up, you don't 323 00:21:31,316 --> 00:21:36,876 Speaker 2: check on me or something that is disturbing to me. Yeah. 324 00:21:37,116 --> 00:21:39,476 Speaker 2: I like to think of it as a dresser. I 325 00:21:39,596 --> 00:21:44,476 Speaker 2: like to think of my relationships as a big dresser, 326 00:21:45,076 --> 00:21:48,636 Speaker 2: and some of those people previously that were in my 327 00:21:48,716 --> 00:21:52,116 Speaker 2: top drawer have had to go to the bottom drawer. 328 00:21:52,236 --> 00:21:54,996 Speaker 2: I love them, But going back to what we first 329 00:21:54,996 --> 00:21:58,356 Speaker 2: talked about, you apologize and said, I'm sorry, I don't 330 00:21:58,396 --> 00:21:59,796 Speaker 2: know how to talk about this stuff. 331 00:22:00,316 --> 00:22:02,436 Speaker 3: We do not know how to talk about it. 332 00:22:02,596 --> 00:22:05,676 Speaker 2: We don't and I don't blame anyone for that, but 333 00:22:05,996 --> 00:22:08,836 Speaker 2: some people are a lot better than others at it, 334 00:22:08,876 --> 00:22:12,996 Speaker 2: you know, instinctual, and like give me the space, you know, 335 00:22:13,076 --> 00:22:16,676 Speaker 2: bring it up and check in with me, and then 336 00:22:16,756 --> 00:22:17,316 Speaker 2: give me. 337 00:22:18,756 --> 00:22:23,116 Speaker 3: The space I need to talk about it. 338 00:22:23,436 --> 00:22:28,676 Speaker 2: And that to me, that's like invaluable. And I honestly 339 00:22:28,716 --> 00:22:34,876 Speaker 2: have a list of friends that have provided that kind 340 00:22:34,916 --> 00:22:38,916 Speaker 2: of a space for me. And I've just had to 341 00:22:39,076 --> 00:22:44,676 Speaker 2: let other friends and family that I thought could could 342 00:22:44,756 --> 00:22:48,436 Speaker 2: hold me there and could be there, I've just had 343 00:22:48,476 --> 00:22:49,796 Speaker 2: to put them in the bottom drawer. 344 00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:54,036 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been handling this just purely instinctually? I 345 00:22:54,036 --> 00:22:56,676 Speaker 1: mean I've been doing therapy. Well, how do you like, 346 00:22:57,036 --> 00:22:59,636 Speaker 1: how are you finding the words and the processes to 347 00:23:00,116 --> 00:23:02,196 Speaker 1: reprioritize and I mean all these things that you're saying me, 348 00:23:02,236 --> 00:23:04,396 Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, I'm kind of stunned that you're 349 00:23:04,396 --> 00:23:06,476 Speaker 1: able to do all this, you know, consciously. 350 00:23:07,036 --> 00:23:07,516 Speaker 3: Thank you. 351 00:23:08,436 --> 00:23:12,716 Speaker 2: I I would say a lot of it is instinctual. 352 00:23:13,436 --> 00:23:19,036 Speaker 2: But I did join a grief group. Someone connected me 353 00:23:19,076 --> 00:23:23,876 Speaker 2: with a grief counselor right away, so I've had her, 354 00:23:24,516 --> 00:23:27,036 Speaker 2: and then I have a grief group, which has been 355 00:23:28,196 --> 00:23:34,396 Speaker 2: really helpful. But years ago, I did therapy off and on, 356 00:23:34,516 --> 00:23:38,796 Speaker 2: and I still have a relationship with my old therapist. 357 00:23:39,316 --> 00:23:40,756 Speaker 2: I haven't talked to him in a while now because 358 00:23:40,756 --> 00:23:42,836 Speaker 2: I can't afford three different therapies. 359 00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:46,196 Speaker 1: But I'm glad to know you have the same problem 360 00:23:46,276 --> 00:23:47,836 Speaker 1: as me. It's like I need therapy. 361 00:23:48,036 --> 00:23:53,116 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's that's really sad to me because I think, 362 00:23:53,156 --> 00:23:56,916 Speaker 2: no matter what you've going you've been going through, you 363 00:23:56,996 --> 00:24:00,956 Speaker 2: don't have to have had a, you know, life changing death. 364 00:24:00,996 --> 00:24:05,076 Speaker 2: I think that everyone needs therapy just to learn how 365 00:24:05,116 --> 00:24:10,076 Speaker 2: to like communicate with each other. I think that having 366 00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:16,796 Speaker 2: that therapy years ago put me in a much better place. 367 00:24:18,076 --> 00:24:24,236 Speaker 2: I really like encourage everyone I know to have therapy. 368 00:24:24,836 --> 00:24:28,316 Speaker 2: But now the grief group has been so good for me. 369 00:24:28,756 --> 00:24:36,116 Speaker 2: I think being with other people who lost people in 370 00:24:36,556 --> 00:24:41,996 Speaker 2: different ways, different scenarios, different relationships, just I mean, you 371 00:24:42,036 --> 00:24:45,116 Speaker 2: already from a loss like this, you already gain a 372 00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:50,756 Speaker 2: lot of perspective, which I wasn't expecting. But like, things 373 00:24:50,796 --> 00:24:56,076 Speaker 2: that were so important to me before are totally not 374 00:24:56,276 --> 00:25:00,076 Speaker 2: you know, those dresser drawers have moved around on their own, 375 00:25:00,356 --> 00:25:05,036 Speaker 2: and a lot of the noise gets cleared out of life. 376 00:25:05,076 --> 00:25:08,716 Speaker 2: Like a lot of the little things that stressed me 377 00:25:08,756 --> 00:25:13,276 Speaker 2: out gave me anxiety, you know, those the important things 378 00:25:13,396 --> 00:25:17,636 Speaker 2: are like bursting out of the top. Wow, and so 379 00:25:17,756 --> 00:25:21,356 Speaker 2: much further away from from the little noise. But hearing 380 00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:27,116 Speaker 2: other people's grief journeys, I guess you would call it 381 00:25:27,196 --> 00:25:31,396 Speaker 2: is amazing. And I feel so grateful to have this 382 00:25:31,636 --> 00:25:36,156 Speaker 2: group of people to be with every week, because I 383 00:25:36,196 --> 00:25:42,316 Speaker 2: can have the most supportive, wonderful friends, but being with 384 00:25:42,556 --> 00:25:48,476 Speaker 2: someone who's suffered anything close to similarly like it's it's 385 00:25:48,556 --> 00:25:51,116 Speaker 2: kind of one of the only places where I feel 386 00:25:51,116 --> 00:25:53,956 Speaker 2: like I can let my hair down. Yeah, you know, 387 00:25:54,076 --> 00:25:57,556 Speaker 2: and like I liken it too. When I get to 388 00:25:57,636 --> 00:26:02,156 Speaker 2: that group, I feel like I can like unbutton a 389 00:26:02,196 --> 00:26:03,316 Speaker 2: tight pair of genes. 390 00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:06,116 Speaker 1: Oh you know, do you feel like your writing's kind 391 00:26:06,116 --> 00:26:07,076 Speaker 1: of forever impacted? 392 00:26:09,236 --> 00:26:13,436 Speaker 2: I do, because I guess going back to what I 393 00:26:13,476 --> 00:26:19,876 Speaker 2: was trying to say about perspective and the important things 394 00:26:19,916 --> 00:26:24,236 Speaker 2: like blasting to the top and the noise settling down 395 00:26:24,276 --> 00:26:29,636 Speaker 2: at the bottom. I think that it's changed my fears. 396 00:26:30,516 --> 00:26:33,636 Speaker 2: You know, I'm like just not as afraid to do anything. 397 00:26:34,236 --> 00:26:40,716 Speaker 2: I'm not as caught up on worrying what people will think, 398 00:26:41,116 --> 00:26:44,716 Speaker 2: or I'm not as afraid to try things. You know, 399 00:26:44,916 --> 00:26:47,796 Speaker 2: about our session we did in January to go over 400 00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:52,076 Speaker 2: demos and try to jam. I hated jamming, you know, 401 00:26:52,156 --> 00:26:54,756 Speaker 2: like it's not very me. I normally need to do 402 00:26:54,916 --> 00:26:57,516 Speaker 2: a lot of preparing, and I did. I had a 403 00:26:57,516 --> 00:27:00,916 Speaker 2: lot of things prepared. But also to just go in 404 00:27:02,076 --> 00:27:05,676 Speaker 2: with nothing and just jam off like what one of 405 00:27:05,716 --> 00:27:11,556 Speaker 2: the guys in the band brought, that is very different 406 00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:16,356 Speaker 2: for me. So to sit there and like experiment in 407 00:27:16,396 --> 00:27:20,236 Speaker 2: front of people, that's like, you know, you may as 408 00:27:20,236 --> 00:27:22,796 Speaker 2: well be in the nude, right, I may as well 409 00:27:22,796 --> 00:27:26,756 Speaker 2: be in the dude. So I think that that fear 410 00:27:26,836 --> 00:27:31,476 Speaker 2: has just changed. I am not worried about being judged 411 00:27:32,316 --> 00:27:35,636 Speaker 2: at all, And I'm sure. 412 00:27:35,516 --> 00:27:36,716 Speaker 3: A lot of it is. 413 00:27:38,356 --> 00:27:42,516 Speaker 2: Just that that extreme loss is the change of perspective. 414 00:27:42,556 --> 00:27:50,476 Speaker 2: But I also honestly feel like Joe's wisdom has imprinted 415 00:27:50,516 --> 00:27:54,116 Speaker 2: itself upon me, like he is someone that was not 416 00:27:55,516 --> 00:27:58,476 Speaker 2: afraid of anything like that, and if I were to 417 00:27:58,516 --> 00:28:01,356 Speaker 2: be like, well, I'm Joe, I'm afraid to jam, he 418 00:28:01,396 --> 00:28:03,116 Speaker 2: would be like, what, just do it? 419 00:28:03,636 --> 00:28:03,876 Speaker 1: You know. 420 00:28:03,956 --> 00:28:06,116 Speaker 2: He's definitely like a just do it kind of guy 421 00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:12,156 Speaker 2: and wouldn't want me to wasting my time being afraid 422 00:28:12,276 --> 00:28:17,436 Speaker 2: of trying things. So I think that my sign rating 423 00:28:17,876 --> 00:28:23,316 Speaker 2: is just like less afraid. Yes, I was concerned about 424 00:28:24,356 --> 00:28:27,476 Speaker 2: making things too sad for people, but now I'm not. 425 00:28:28,116 --> 00:28:31,036 Speaker 2: Now I'm just like sorry, this is my life and 426 00:28:31,396 --> 00:28:35,956 Speaker 2: so far our fans are very here for it, which 427 00:28:35,996 --> 00:28:37,476 Speaker 2: has been beautiful. 428 00:28:38,356 --> 00:28:40,756 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean the music is really really good too, 429 00:28:40,836 --> 00:28:43,196 Speaker 1: you know, which, which of course always helps. Like it's 430 00:28:43,236 --> 00:28:46,636 Speaker 1: not you know, I don't think anyone is having to 431 00:28:46,836 --> 00:28:49,156 Speaker 1: no one's having to pretend to be here for anyone's sake. 432 00:28:49,236 --> 00:28:50,676 Speaker 1: Like it's really really good news. 433 00:28:50,836 --> 00:28:54,316 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's thank you. I actually I really 434 00:28:54,396 --> 00:28:55,076 Speaker 3: do feel. 435 00:28:55,156 --> 00:28:57,956 Speaker 2: I also feel this like confidence that I don't think 436 00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:01,836 Speaker 2: I ever had before, and that I think that if 437 00:29:02,236 --> 00:29:06,556 Speaker 2: people had no idea what happened, I believe that this 438 00:29:06,636 --> 00:29:11,476 Speaker 2: is a really fucking good album. I am totally confident 439 00:29:11,796 --> 00:29:16,476 Speaker 2: that no matter what the content is this album is great. 440 00:29:16,836 --> 00:29:20,516 Speaker 3: I feel really proud and I do think. 441 00:29:20,396 --> 00:29:26,316 Speaker 2: That we all did a beautiful job like contributing, like 442 00:29:26,516 --> 00:29:27,996 Speaker 2: our hearts and our talent. 443 00:29:28,876 --> 00:29:30,956 Speaker 1: I would like to talk a little bitbout the recording process, 444 00:29:30,996 --> 00:29:33,436 Speaker 1: and maybe Cody can speak to some of that. How 445 00:29:33,476 --> 00:29:36,516 Speaker 1: do you move Cody from the jam session and the 446 00:29:36,996 --> 00:29:40,316 Speaker 1: kind of gathering songs you've written and working them out 447 00:29:40,316 --> 00:29:43,596 Speaker 1: together part to the recording part. How did that move 448 00:29:43,596 --> 00:29:45,036 Speaker 1: along for this particular album. 449 00:29:45,396 --> 00:29:47,756 Speaker 4: I think the hardest part of deciding what to keep 450 00:29:47,836 --> 00:29:51,116 Speaker 4: and what to work on, what to cut out because 451 00:29:51,116 --> 00:29:54,076 Speaker 4: we just have too much material. So we're often like 452 00:29:54,756 --> 00:29:56,436 Speaker 4: keeping a big list of songs and. 453 00:29:56,396 --> 00:29:58,756 Speaker 1: Then trying to. 454 00:29:57,876 --> 00:30:00,516 Speaker 4: Decide like which ones we love and which ones we 455 00:30:00,556 --> 00:30:02,836 Speaker 4: should get rid of. 456 00:30:03,116 --> 00:30:04,276 Speaker 1: How do you guys negotiate that? 457 00:30:04,676 --> 00:30:08,156 Speaker 4: I don't know. It's like sometimes it actually just comes 458 00:30:08,196 --> 00:30:11,276 Speaker 4: down to like we didn't decide and we ran out 459 00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:14,796 Speaker 4: of time, and so something doesn't get recorded, like we 460 00:30:14,876 --> 00:30:18,636 Speaker 4: have like five days to record or something, and then 461 00:30:18,796 --> 00:30:21,876 Speaker 4: it's sort of like, okay, well, these four like we 462 00:30:21,916 --> 00:30:24,876 Speaker 4: didn't decide which ones we're gonna keep, and then we 463 00:30:24,956 --> 00:30:26,596 Speaker 4: just ended up recording one of them, and then we 464 00:30:26,636 --> 00:30:29,196 Speaker 4: just like ran out of Top. Yeah, maybe that's like 465 00:30:29,236 --> 00:30:33,556 Speaker 4: a subconscious way of making the decision, because you if 466 00:30:33,556 --> 00:30:37,236 Speaker 4: that's the song that you like put off recording, like 467 00:30:37,276 --> 00:30:40,476 Speaker 4: maybe it's not that good or you don't like it that. 468 00:30:40,516 --> 00:30:43,236 Speaker 1: Much, certainly makes the decision easier. It makes it less 469 00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:45,876 Speaker 1: of a conscious decision in the sense, you know. 470 00:30:46,156 --> 00:30:48,716 Speaker 4: Yeah, but then the stuff you're really excited to get 471 00:30:48,756 --> 00:30:50,756 Speaker 4: down is like you record that first. 472 00:30:51,076 --> 00:30:53,156 Speaker 1: Do you guys talk to like Dan about it when 473 00:30:53,236 --> 00:30:54,716 Speaker 1: you guys are gonna go into the studio with him, 474 00:30:54,796 --> 00:30:56,196 Speaker 1: or do you like run stuff by him? 475 00:30:57,076 --> 00:30:57,156 Speaker 2: No. 476 00:30:57,436 --> 00:31:00,076 Speaker 4: I feel like we've like sent him demos before and 477 00:31:01,316 --> 00:31:02,876 Speaker 4: I don't think he really listened to them. He likes 478 00:31:02,916 --> 00:31:05,436 Speaker 4: to just do stuff live in the studio, Like I 479 00:31:05,476 --> 00:31:07,396 Speaker 4: don't think he likes to Yeah. 480 00:31:07,436 --> 00:31:10,556 Speaker 2: His reaction is like awesome, get in here. 481 00:31:10,996 --> 00:31:15,396 Speaker 4: It's like he would rather you show up with nothing 482 00:31:15,476 --> 00:31:17,596 Speaker 4: and then you write everything like in the studio and 483 00:31:17,636 --> 00:31:21,196 Speaker 4: just like record it as you're going. And he's like, also, 484 00:31:21,396 --> 00:31:24,836 Speaker 4: just whatever we want to do. He's like, yeah, let's 485 00:31:24,876 --> 00:31:26,596 Speaker 4: record that whatever whatever you guys. 486 00:31:26,356 --> 00:31:29,076 Speaker 1: Want or the ever times you're you're looking for a 487 00:31:29,356 --> 00:31:31,516 Speaker 1: more decisive opinion. 488 00:31:32,356 --> 00:31:35,796 Speaker 4: Yeah, not from Dan, But I just wish. Yeah, we 489 00:31:35,836 --> 00:31:37,996 Speaker 4: do kind of wish there was someone who would just say, like, no, 490 00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:40,156 Speaker 4: this is bad, don't do this one. They'll do it 491 00:31:40,196 --> 00:31:43,676 Speaker 4: with takes for sure, and like what we're doing on 492 00:31:43,716 --> 00:31:45,836 Speaker 4: the songs, like this is working, this isn't working. But 493 00:31:46,156 --> 00:31:49,076 Speaker 4: I wish, Yeah, it would be nice to have some outsider. 494 00:31:49,356 --> 00:31:51,636 Speaker 4: I mean that's what I feel like. The Beatles had 495 00:31:51,636 --> 00:31:56,356 Speaker 4: that with their producer and their manager were like just 496 00:31:56,476 --> 00:32:00,516 Speaker 4: so involved in shaping the sound and like deciding what songs. 497 00:32:01,076 --> 00:32:02,956 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish there were more George Martin's in the. 498 00:32:02,876 --> 00:32:05,956 Speaker 4: World, you know, I wanted George Martin and Brian. 499 00:32:06,956 --> 00:32:07,196 Speaker 1: Yeah. 500 00:32:07,476 --> 00:32:11,156 Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like it's just nice if you have someone 501 00:32:11,156 --> 00:32:14,156 Speaker 4: who's like fifth or sixth member kind of meddling and like, 502 00:32:15,356 --> 00:32:16,516 Speaker 4: you know, tightening things up. 503 00:32:16,756 --> 00:32:19,196 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you feel similarly, Shannon. 504 00:32:19,436 --> 00:32:20,236 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 505 00:32:20,916 --> 00:32:23,436 Speaker 2: I think it's always good to have like an outside, 506 00:32:25,516 --> 00:32:29,756 Speaker 2: trusted person to help you with editing. 507 00:32:31,716 --> 00:32:33,596 Speaker 1: After one last break, we're back with the rest of 508 00:32:33,596 --> 00:32:37,356 Speaker 1: my conversation with Shannon Shaw and Cody Blanchard of Shannon 509 00:32:37,476 --> 00:32:43,596 Speaker 1: in the Clans. We're back with the rest of my 510 00:32:43,716 --> 00:32:48,156 Speaker 1: conversation with Shannon and the Clams. I keep going back 511 00:32:48,196 --> 00:32:49,796 Speaker 1: to it, but It just really is one of my favorites. 512 00:32:49,836 --> 00:32:51,436 Speaker 1: I love it so much. The moon is in the 513 00:32:51,476 --> 00:32:55,076 Speaker 1: wrong place, the act on the song. I love how 514 00:32:55,436 --> 00:32:59,596 Speaker 1: the second verse is the first verse with added sort 515 00:32:59,596 --> 00:33:02,436 Speaker 1: of thoughts, you know, a few more lines. It's a 516 00:33:02,556 --> 00:33:04,876 Speaker 1: really cool way to go about that, just give it 517 00:33:04,916 --> 00:33:07,916 Speaker 1: an extra emotion. You're repeating the first few lines of 518 00:33:07,956 --> 00:33:10,356 Speaker 1: the first or the entire first first, and then to 519 00:33:11,036 --> 00:33:13,836 Speaker 1: stretch it out and to add the icy SpaceX and 520 00:33:13,876 --> 00:33:15,996 Speaker 1: all that. It was just like, whoa, it was really cool. 521 00:33:16,356 --> 00:33:16,756 Speaker 3: Thank you. 522 00:33:16,916 --> 00:33:18,356 Speaker 1: Did you write it that way? Did that come through 523 00:33:18,436 --> 00:33:22,396 Speaker 1: jamming it or how did that particular device come about? 524 00:33:22,596 --> 00:33:27,436 Speaker 2: I think I brought it the song pretty much fully formed, right, Cody. 525 00:33:28,276 --> 00:33:30,436 Speaker 4: I almost feel like that like came down in the studio, 526 00:33:31,196 --> 00:33:33,436 Speaker 4: like having the intro and with a half first and 527 00:33:33,476 --> 00:33:34,836 Speaker 4: then like coming back. 528 00:33:35,036 --> 00:33:38,636 Speaker 3: Oh definitely this yeah, this structure. Yeah, you're right. 529 00:33:38,676 --> 00:33:38,836 Speaker 1: Yeah. 530 00:33:38,876 --> 00:33:41,236 Speaker 4: It almost seemed like really last minute or something. The 531 00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:41,716 Speaker 4: way that we. 532 00:33:41,716 --> 00:33:43,756 Speaker 1: Did that, it adds like a It's like it's just 533 00:33:43,796 --> 00:33:46,156 Speaker 1: like there's a real energy to it, like like almost 534 00:33:46,236 --> 00:33:48,236 Speaker 1: like bursting out the gate, you know, like when you 535 00:33:48,316 --> 00:33:50,716 Speaker 1: just yeah, like having that first verse be like kind 536 00:33:50,716 --> 00:33:51,516 Speaker 1: of the intro you. 537 00:33:51,476 --> 00:33:55,196 Speaker 4: Know, yeah, it's a lot of tension because it you 538 00:33:55,236 --> 00:33:57,516 Speaker 4: can tell that it's not finished or it's not resolved 539 00:33:57,596 --> 00:33:57,956 Speaker 4: or something. 540 00:33:58,076 --> 00:33:58,436 Speaker 1: Yeah. 541 00:33:58,916 --> 00:34:01,076 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was like arranging like in the studio. 542 00:34:01,796 --> 00:34:03,236 Speaker 1: Was that an omnichord song? 543 00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:05,876 Speaker 3: Yes, but I did. 544 00:34:05,996 --> 00:34:10,756 Speaker 2: I had the baseline first, that boom da da doo 545 00:34:10,756 --> 00:34:15,436 Speaker 2: doo boom boom, I. 546 00:34:15,436 --> 00:34:18,036 Speaker 3: Like had that bassline. 547 00:34:18,076 --> 00:34:21,076 Speaker 2: That bassline came to me first, actually, so I think 548 00:34:21,236 --> 00:34:26,156 Speaker 2: after I like got that down, then I formed the 549 00:34:26,276 --> 00:34:27,396 Speaker 2: rest on the omnichord. 550 00:34:27,996 --> 00:34:30,036 Speaker 1: And how how did you work on the omnichord? I 551 00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:31,916 Speaker 1: know there's like pre program stuff, but you don't have 552 00:34:31,956 --> 00:34:33,636 Speaker 1: to do pre programs. I mean the drums are pre 553 00:34:33,676 --> 00:34:36,236 Speaker 1: programmed I guess at least, right, but the chords you 554 00:34:36,236 --> 00:34:36,956 Speaker 1: can do whatever. 555 00:34:37,396 --> 00:34:40,716 Speaker 2: What I was looking for was something so simple. I 556 00:34:40,796 --> 00:34:42,836 Speaker 2: was like, all I want is a drum machine that 557 00:34:42,876 --> 00:34:45,756 Speaker 2: I just select the sound and push play. 558 00:34:45,876 --> 00:34:48,036 Speaker 3: I don't want to edit it in any way. 559 00:34:48,116 --> 00:34:52,876 Speaker 2: Because in previous albums I would ask Cody and Nate 560 00:34:52,956 --> 00:34:55,556 Speaker 2: to send me, Hey, can you just send me a 561 00:34:55,676 --> 00:34:59,076 Speaker 2: drum a drum beat? And Cody actually made me these 562 00:34:59,116 --> 00:35:01,636 Speaker 2: really helpful ones where I'd say, like Cody sent me 563 00:35:01,676 --> 00:35:03,996 Speaker 2: punk drums and you would make a loop for me 564 00:35:04,836 --> 00:35:07,076 Speaker 2: because it's easier for me to write a song on 565 00:35:07,116 --> 00:35:10,756 Speaker 2: the bass. Playing at two drums is just like inspiring. 566 00:35:10,836 --> 00:35:12,916 Speaker 2: It just like gives me ideas that I wouldn't have 567 00:35:13,316 --> 00:35:15,996 Speaker 2: if it was just me and the bass and silence. Right, 568 00:35:16,196 --> 00:35:22,316 Speaker 2: So for this process, I wanted access to chords that 569 00:35:22,396 --> 00:35:23,956 Speaker 2: I could just like push a button and it plays 570 00:35:23,996 --> 00:35:24,356 Speaker 2: a chord. 571 00:35:24,436 --> 00:35:25,036 Speaker 3: You know, I don't. 572 00:35:25,356 --> 00:35:29,716 Speaker 2: I felt so overflowing with musical ideas. I didn't feel 573 00:35:29,716 --> 00:35:32,916 Speaker 2: like I had the time to learn how to play 574 00:35:33,116 --> 00:35:36,276 Speaker 2: the chords on a guitar or something, or on a piano. 575 00:35:36,316 --> 00:35:37,676 Speaker 3: I have no idea how to play a piano. 576 00:35:38,236 --> 00:35:40,596 Speaker 2: I just wanted something that I could push a button 577 00:35:40,636 --> 00:35:45,676 Speaker 2: and play a chord to a drum machine. And I 578 00:35:45,716 --> 00:35:50,596 Speaker 2: didn't want to rely on anyone for help where normal 579 00:35:50,716 --> 00:35:53,516 Speaker 2: am like employing Cody to like, please send me some 580 00:35:53,916 --> 00:35:58,556 Speaker 2: drum machine, and I have to send him things to interpret, 581 00:35:59,276 --> 00:36:05,156 Speaker 2: you know, like either singing guitar parts or like this 582 00:36:05,276 --> 00:36:06,876 Speaker 2: kind of a sound. If you could come up with 583 00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:09,636 Speaker 2: a part that's sort of similar to that, like this, 584 00:36:09,756 --> 00:36:14,436 Speaker 2: you know it. Just finding the omnichord was just such 585 00:36:14,556 --> 00:36:17,876 Speaker 2: a big help because I could be alone and be 586 00:36:17,996 --> 00:36:23,636 Speaker 2: forming songs much quicker than relying on the boys to 587 00:36:23,716 --> 00:36:27,036 Speaker 2: help interpret me. And so, yeah, the way I use 588 00:36:27,076 --> 00:36:30,356 Speaker 2: it is I would find a drum beat. I mean 589 00:36:30,476 --> 00:36:33,836 Speaker 2: it is silly. The like sounds on there are hilarious. 590 00:36:33,996 --> 00:36:35,876 Speaker 4: Yeah, the drums are fucking terrible. 591 00:36:36,556 --> 00:36:41,316 Speaker 1: They sound like trash. 592 00:36:42,116 --> 00:36:44,796 Speaker 2: It totally worked great for me though, you know, it's 593 00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:46,956 Speaker 2: what I needed. It was means to an end. So 594 00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:50,956 Speaker 2: you know, I would slow down. I'd get like, oh, 595 00:36:50,996 --> 00:36:54,716 Speaker 2: a samba beat, and then slow it way down or 596 00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:58,116 Speaker 2: speed it way up to where like, Okay, this feels 597 00:36:58,156 --> 00:37:01,236 Speaker 2: like this feels like the rhythm and the intensity that 598 00:37:01,276 --> 00:37:03,996 Speaker 2: I'm looking for for this song. And then I would 599 00:37:04,076 --> 00:37:09,076 Speaker 2: set the sound of the instrument, you know, to pim 600 00:37:09,236 --> 00:37:12,356 Speaker 2: know or harp or flute or you know whatever. There's 601 00:37:12,436 --> 00:37:16,516 Speaker 2: a lot of silly sounds on there. And then you're 602 00:37:16,556 --> 00:37:19,916 Speaker 2: just pushing the cords. And then you have a strum plate, 603 00:37:20,756 --> 00:37:23,836 Speaker 2: which is supposed to be like strumming strings, but it's 604 00:37:23,876 --> 00:37:26,516 Speaker 2: this like plate that you rub your fingers back and 605 00:37:26,556 --> 00:37:27,076 Speaker 2: forth on. 606 00:37:28,556 --> 00:37:29,316 Speaker 4: Grill. 607 00:37:30,436 --> 00:37:30,756 Speaker 3: Yeah. 608 00:37:32,756 --> 00:37:38,276 Speaker 2: Actually it's like a really soft, very soft, smooth ribs, 609 00:37:38,676 --> 00:37:41,316 Speaker 2: but it has really sharp corners because it's all made 610 00:37:41,316 --> 00:37:43,396 Speaker 2: out of like plastic that got. 611 00:37:43,236 --> 00:37:46,636 Speaker 3: Glued on, so you can't go too far. But yeah, 612 00:37:46,716 --> 00:37:54,556 Speaker 3: so it was really fun and and and physical, you know, like. 613 00:37:54,436 --> 00:37:57,796 Speaker 2: You're physically pushing all this stuff down, so it felt 614 00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:02,036 Speaker 2: like satisfying. I mean, if I could design one on 615 00:38:02,036 --> 00:38:04,596 Speaker 2: my own, it would be bigger, with a bigger strum 616 00:38:04,636 --> 00:38:09,476 Speaker 2: plate and buttons that like really feel satisfying to squish down. 617 00:38:09,676 --> 00:38:11,396 Speaker 4: Yeah, you should try it. There's like a bunch of 618 00:38:11,436 --> 00:38:14,756 Speaker 4: different models and like different I think like Suzuki and 619 00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:18,356 Speaker 4: Yamaha and maybe like another company made different versions, but 620 00:38:18,436 --> 00:38:23,116 Speaker 4: they recently made a reproduction of the like original one, 621 00:38:23,396 --> 00:38:26,436 Speaker 4: so you can like buy the new one that's a 622 00:38:26,476 --> 00:38:27,996 Speaker 4: reproduction of like the first model. 623 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:30,116 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I feel like that must be in the 624 00:38:30,156 --> 00:38:34,276 Speaker 1: air too, because yeah, yeah, Michelle and Deggioceello released an 625 00:38:34,276 --> 00:38:37,356 Speaker 1: album called The Omnichord Real Book, and I guess she 626 00:38:37,436 --> 00:38:39,636 Speaker 1: wrote a lot of the songs on there on the 627 00:38:39,636 --> 00:38:40,956 Speaker 1: Omnichord too, So I was like, no. 628 00:38:40,996 --> 00:38:44,036 Speaker 4: This is yeah, it's like coming back for sure. There's 629 00:38:44,076 --> 00:38:45,356 Speaker 4: like a lot of people using it. 630 00:38:45,356 --> 00:38:48,356 Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. Yeah, you guys are kind of both 631 00:38:48,596 --> 00:38:52,396 Speaker 1: pretty voracious music consumers, it appears to me. I don't know, 632 00:38:52,436 --> 00:38:54,676 Speaker 1: if it's I think it's for your last album. You 633 00:38:54,716 --> 00:38:57,516 Speaker 1: have a playlist on Spotify inspiration for a new record 634 00:38:57,836 --> 00:39:01,076 Speaker 1: and has like incredible cuts on it. What was the 635 00:39:01,076 --> 00:39:03,116 Speaker 1: first kinds of music that you both fell in love with? 636 00:39:03,396 --> 00:39:06,396 Speaker 4: Man, I love the songs that I can first remember, 637 00:39:06,476 --> 00:39:10,156 Speaker 4: like really becoming fixated on listening over and over Sweet 638 00:39:10,196 --> 00:39:16,356 Speaker 4: Dreams by Your Rhythmics, and enter Sandman by Metallica, and 639 00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:20,396 Speaker 4: then nine Inch Nails down in It and the Nightmare 640 00:39:20,436 --> 00:39:22,396 Speaker 4: Before Christmas soundtrack. 641 00:39:22,236 --> 00:39:26,276 Speaker 3: All nice, that's so cute, what a cute combo. 642 00:39:26,676 --> 00:39:30,876 Speaker 4: It's all like pretty like dark it is, damn. 643 00:39:30,956 --> 00:39:33,756 Speaker 1: And then like as you moved on, like how did 644 00:39:33,796 --> 00:39:34,796 Speaker 1: your listening change? 645 00:39:35,116 --> 00:39:36,556 Speaker 4: One thing that me and Shannon both had it in 646 00:39:36,556 --> 00:39:39,156 Speaker 4: common was that we both loved Primus, but it was 647 00:39:39,196 --> 00:39:41,996 Speaker 4: like our favorite band when we were like in junior 648 00:39:42,076 --> 00:39:47,356 Speaker 4: high or something. We were like Primisheads. I went like, yeah, 649 00:39:47,436 --> 00:39:50,876 Speaker 4: really hard on like industrial stuff, like you know, like 650 00:39:50,956 --> 00:39:54,476 Speaker 4: kind of deep stuff like Skinny Puppy and like Front 651 00:39:54,476 --> 00:39:57,996 Speaker 4: two four two and had this kind of goth vibe 652 00:39:58,596 --> 00:40:01,756 Speaker 4: and then got really into like kind of like skate 653 00:40:01,796 --> 00:40:07,076 Speaker 4: punk pop punk stuff and then you know, like Pennywise, 654 00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:09,036 Speaker 4: Operation Our Ivy. 655 00:40:09,236 --> 00:40:14,596 Speaker 1: Yeah, bad religion you miss grade or something like that. Yes, yeah, 656 00:40:14,636 --> 00:40:15,436 Speaker 1: all that ship. 657 00:40:17,236 --> 00:40:21,996 Speaker 4: And Shannon was like a big misfit st still is. Yeah, 658 00:40:22,156 --> 00:40:23,996 Speaker 4: missive said Danzig, so great. 659 00:40:24,596 --> 00:40:28,876 Speaker 1: I love like all your Spotify or yeah, umpeccable. We 660 00:40:28,916 --> 00:40:29,396 Speaker 1: needed that. 661 00:40:29,516 --> 00:40:31,276 Speaker 4: Reminds you like, I feel like we need to update 662 00:40:31,356 --> 00:40:33,836 Speaker 4: that or like sort of re curated. I don't know, 663 00:40:34,396 --> 00:40:36,876 Speaker 4: because the way it organizes them on your profile is 664 00:40:36,956 --> 00:40:38,716 Speaker 4: kind of weird. I don't really understand how it works. 665 00:40:38,756 --> 00:40:40,436 Speaker 4: But some of those playlists are like really old. 666 00:40:40,596 --> 00:40:42,756 Speaker 1: You don't know how it works either, But don't delete 667 00:40:42,756 --> 00:40:44,516 Speaker 1: them because they're so good. I'm not archival. 668 00:40:45,196 --> 00:40:49,716 Speaker 2: A few of those Joe made, of which, yeah, Joe 669 00:40:49,756 --> 00:40:51,236 Speaker 2: made a few of them. He made one of the 670 00:40:51,276 --> 00:40:56,676 Speaker 2: ones for your wedding. It's called wedding Tinkerings. Yes, and 671 00:40:56,796 --> 00:41:00,636 Speaker 2: he made one that says like Tahoe. 672 00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:05,476 Speaker 4: He made Yeah, I forgot used our account. We all 673 00:41:05,516 --> 00:41:07,156 Speaker 4: shared like one Spotify login. 674 00:41:07,476 --> 00:41:12,316 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then when we were doing a Patreon we 675 00:41:12,356 --> 00:41:18,076 Speaker 2: would make playlists for every month and he would he 676 00:41:18,156 --> 00:41:20,436 Speaker 2: would like work on them with me. 677 00:41:21,196 --> 00:41:23,596 Speaker 1: Can you guys share a playlist with me to put 678 00:41:23,636 --> 00:41:26,276 Speaker 1: out to the audience for this episode? 679 00:41:26,676 --> 00:41:28,436 Speaker 3: Share Joe Jojo Yeah, Okay. 680 00:41:28,516 --> 00:41:34,076 Speaker 2: The significance of this playlist is that Joe would make 681 00:41:34,716 --> 00:41:37,436 Speaker 2: mixtapes like the Real Mixtape for. 682 00:41:37,876 --> 00:41:40,356 Speaker 1: People, like like cassette tapes. 683 00:41:40,356 --> 00:41:43,276 Speaker 2: A cassette tape, and then it would come with like 684 00:41:43,396 --> 00:41:47,276 Speaker 2: he would do a beautiful little drawing on the cover 685 00:41:47,956 --> 00:41:51,916 Speaker 2: and then write out, you know, the songs, just like 686 00:41:51,996 --> 00:41:57,556 Speaker 2: back in the day. And I cherished my mixtapes from Joe, 687 00:41:58,276 --> 00:42:01,636 Speaker 2: and so when we were getting ready for like the 688 00:42:01,676 --> 00:42:05,956 Speaker 2: funeral and celebration of life and stuff, I requested that 689 00:42:06,476 --> 00:42:12,636 Speaker 2: everyone he'd made a tape for send their mixes, like 690 00:42:12,796 --> 00:42:16,956 Speaker 2: just the playlist to a friend named Kelly, who compiled 691 00:42:16,956 --> 00:42:20,356 Speaker 2: them and made a big Spotify just like of all 692 00:42:21,756 --> 00:42:26,796 Speaker 2: of Joe music essentially, And I love this playlist is 693 00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:31,356 Speaker 2: so good. I honestly listened to that a lot right 694 00:42:31,396 --> 00:42:34,356 Speaker 2: after he died. That was like months of me just 695 00:42:34,516 --> 00:42:38,036 Speaker 2: listening to that. So I'm sure some of that stuff 696 00:42:38,076 --> 00:42:41,956 Speaker 2: formed its way into my songwriting as well without me 697 00:42:42,636 --> 00:42:43,356 Speaker 2: realizing it. 698 00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:46,196 Speaker 1: Did you guys have any specific references for this album? 699 00:42:46,796 --> 00:42:48,796 Speaker 4: One thing I was like trying to channel was like, 700 00:42:50,236 --> 00:42:51,836 Speaker 4: I want to make a playlist more about this, but 701 00:42:51,876 --> 00:42:55,196 Speaker 4: this kind of late this crossover, this like kind of 702 00:42:55,276 --> 00:42:58,276 Speaker 4: late R and B like pre disco era where there's 703 00:42:58,356 --> 00:43:01,916 Speaker 4: like you get some kind of like psychedelic like fuzz 704 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:04,076 Speaker 4: guitar stuff and that's some kind of like disco R 705 00:43:04,116 --> 00:43:06,956 Speaker 4: and B singing. One example was that song I think 706 00:43:06,956 --> 00:43:09,516 Speaker 4: it's called Liar Liar called. 707 00:43:10,036 --> 00:43:11,996 Speaker 3: Lilaa Pencil File. 708 00:43:12,276 --> 00:43:17,956 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean it's so weird and like such a 709 00:43:18,116 --> 00:43:20,116 Speaker 4: genre mashup, is it? 710 00:43:22,116 --> 00:43:23,796 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, it's so good. 711 00:43:24,196 --> 00:43:24,676 Speaker 1: There's that. 712 00:43:24,716 --> 00:43:28,436 Speaker 4: There's this song, this late like Blue Christie song called 713 00:43:28,516 --> 00:43:32,516 Speaker 4: Dancing in the Sand that's kind of this weird kind 714 00:43:32,516 --> 00:43:36,676 Speaker 4: of like down tempo. This goes on with this like 715 00:43:36,716 --> 00:43:39,356 Speaker 4: big chorus. Anyway, I was trying to, like I wanted 716 00:43:39,396 --> 00:43:45,076 Speaker 4: to capture that weird genre mashup, which I think we did. 717 00:43:45,956 --> 00:43:47,476 Speaker 4: I think on the Moon is in the wrong place 718 00:43:47,516 --> 00:43:49,956 Speaker 4: in Big Wheel, like we kind of got close to that. 719 00:43:50,436 --> 00:43:53,396 Speaker 1: Definitely feels that way. Yeah. 720 00:43:53,476 --> 00:43:55,716 Speaker 2: A lot of the time what I do is when 721 00:43:55,756 --> 00:43:59,396 Speaker 2: I'm working on a song, like ideas will come to 722 00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:02,116 Speaker 2: me of things that I want to go back and 723 00:44:02,156 --> 00:44:07,236 Speaker 2: listen to from other artists, or I want to like, like, oh, 724 00:44:07,316 --> 00:44:11,516 Speaker 2: when I listen to Blossom Lady by Shocking Blue, it 725 00:44:11,636 --> 00:44:14,956 Speaker 2: makes me feel this way and I want to feel 726 00:44:14,996 --> 00:44:19,996 Speaker 2: that way when I play this song, so I'll have 727 00:44:20,076 --> 00:44:23,356 Speaker 2: like little notes, Like right now, I'm looking at. 728 00:44:24,876 --> 00:44:25,836 Speaker 3: My song book. 729 00:44:27,236 --> 00:44:29,916 Speaker 2: Every time we do an album, I like get a 730 00:44:29,956 --> 00:44:33,116 Speaker 2: notebook and it's just like filled with all my weird 731 00:44:33,156 --> 00:44:37,556 Speaker 2: notes and my songs and track listing potentials. 732 00:44:37,636 --> 00:44:38,796 Speaker 4: And so. 733 00:44:40,596 --> 00:44:43,796 Speaker 2: I wrote down some things I was inspired by, and 734 00:44:43,836 --> 00:44:50,116 Speaker 2: I wrote Zombies, Shocking Blues, Sir Doug Quintet, Paul McCartney, 735 00:44:50,596 --> 00:44:54,116 Speaker 2: Rocking Horse, Jerry, Jeff Walker, Beach Boys. 736 00:44:54,516 --> 00:44:58,476 Speaker 3: And there's definitely like that these have wound their way 737 00:44:58,676 --> 00:45:00,116 Speaker 3: into the songs for sure. 738 00:45:00,996 --> 00:45:05,756 Speaker 2: Or like I'm looking at Dolly's clock and I wrote 739 00:45:05,796 --> 00:45:12,636 Speaker 2: down Irma Thomas breakw Way drums, so I guess I 740 00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:18,996 Speaker 2: was listening to that at the time, or like on 741 00:45:18,996 --> 00:45:21,156 Speaker 2: on Moon is in the wrong place. I don't think 742 00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:26,116 Speaker 2: that this ended up coming through, but I wrote down Buzzcocks, July, 743 00:45:27,476 --> 00:45:34,276 Speaker 2: break on Through, abrupt Yelling, Jim Morrison, Funny. I'm glad 744 00:45:34,316 --> 00:45:36,076 Speaker 2: I wrote this stuff down. I don't know that I 745 00:45:36,116 --> 00:45:36,836 Speaker 2: would have before. 746 00:45:36,956 --> 00:45:38,996 Speaker 1: That's really cool that you. Yeah, that's like a really 747 00:45:38,996 --> 00:45:42,156 Speaker 1: cool journal to keep. That'd be great for the reissue 748 00:45:42,156 --> 00:45:43,116 Speaker 1: in ten years. 749 00:45:44,356 --> 00:45:45,756 Speaker 3: Yeah, deluxy. 750 00:45:46,116 --> 00:45:48,196 Speaker 2: See, this is the kind of stuff that I would 751 00:45:48,276 --> 00:45:52,196 Speaker 2: love to see from another artist. I love to look at. 752 00:45:52,556 --> 00:45:56,516 Speaker 2: I'm also a painter. I love to see people's notebooks. 753 00:45:57,396 --> 00:46:00,996 Speaker 2: I love to see their art, their like art desk 754 00:46:01,156 --> 00:46:05,316 Speaker 2: set up. I love to see how people. 755 00:46:05,116 --> 00:46:06,356 Speaker 3: Notate their music. 756 00:46:07,276 --> 00:46:08,996 Speaker 2: Most of the time I can't relate to that because 757 00:46:09,436 --> 00:46:14,716 Speaker 2: is we call it shanglish. But anyways, I love to 758 00:46:14,756 --> 00:46:16,956 Speaker 2: see other people's processes. 759 00:46:17,196 --> 00:46:18,596 Speaker 1: Do you often ask other people? 760 00:46:19,116 --> 00:46:25,476 Speaker 2: I often ask to see people's like workspace and if 761 00:46:25,476 --> 00:46:30,276 Speaker 2: they have like some kind of like notebook or sketches, 762 00:46:31,476 --> 00:46:34,476 Speaker 2: But it's it can also be a really private thing, 763 00:46:34,596 --> 00:46:38,756 Speaker 2: so I gotta read each situation. One of my favorite 764 00:46:38,916 --> 00:46:43,556 Speaker 2: art exhibits I've ever seen was at Disneyland. They have 765 00:46:43,556 --> 00:46:46,476 Speaker 2: a little gallery in there that they'll have various exhibits, 766 00:46:46,516 --> 00:46:50,036 Speaker 2: and they had this one that was on the Tiki Room, 767 00:46:50,436 --> 00:46:53,596 Speaker 2: and it was all the concept art for the Tiki Room. 768 00:46:53,676 --> 00:46:56,876 Speaker 2: So it was all these artists like sketches, like all 769 00:46:56,996 --> 00:46:59,876 Speaker 2: the various ways that they were like maybe the birds 770 00:46:59,876 --> 00:47:01,916 Speaker 2: could look like this, or look like this, or look 771 00:47:01,996 --> 00:47:04,276 Speaker 2: like this. Maybe we should have the inside of the 772 00:47:04,396 --> 00:47:06,476 Speaker 2: like hut theater thing look like this. 773 00:47:07,116 --> 00:47:09,716 Speaker 3: I love seeing that. 774 00:47:10,036 --> 00:47:12,836 Speaker 2: Is that kind of inside scoop or it. I went 775 00:47:12,876 --> 00:47:17,556 Speaker 2: to the Walt Disney Museum in the Presidio in San Francisco, 776 00:47:18,196 --> 00:47:22,996 Speaker 2: and they have tons of concept art in there, but 777 00:47:23,076 --> 00:47:28,556 Speaker 2: they also have the illustrator's desk, which it was one 778 00:47:28,556 --> 00:47:32,316 Speaker 2: of my favorite things to see, just how the imagineers 779 00:47:32,436 --> 00:47:36,916 Speaker 2: in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties generally set up 780 00:47:36,956 --> 00:47:37,836 Speaker 2: their art table. 781 00:47:38,796 --> 00:47:41,916 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for talking about you guys' process 782 00:47:41,956 --> 00:47:44,596 Speaker 1: and about the new album and all that's kind of 783 00:47:44,596 --> 00:47:46,516 Speaker 1: been going on. It's been really great talking to you guys. 784 00:47:47,236 --> 00:47:48,836 Speaker 3: You too, Thank you so much. 785 00:47:49,316 --> 00:47:51,916 Speaker 4: Thank you, It's been really great. 786 00:47:53,756 --> 00:47:56,156 Speaker 1: A big thank you to Shannon Shawn Cody Blanchard for 787 00:47:56,196 --> 00:47:58,556 Speaker 1: making such a beautiful record and talking through some of 788 00:47:58,556 --> 00:48:02,916 Speaker 1: the painful moments that led to its creation. And as promised, 789 00:48:02,996 --> 00:48:04,596 Speaker 1: be sure to check out the link in the episode 790 00:48:04,596 --> 00:48:08,516 Speaker 1: description for a playlist the late Joe Haynes collected mixtapes. 791 00:48:09,396 --> 00:48:12,356 Speaker 1: Subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash 792 00:48:12,396 --> 00:48:14,836 Speaker 1: Broken Record Podcast, where you can find all of our 793 00:48:14,876 --> 00:48:18,956 Speaker 1: new episodes. 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