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Speaker 1: Filtered episode forty three on the Fish on First podcast network.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with my co host, Isaac Zoo, and we

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Speaker 1: are here with the founder of Fish on First, Eli

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Speaker 1: Sustain Isaac. What's up? Marlins drop another drop us the

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Speaker 1: first series in a while against the Seattle Mariners. Edward

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Speaker 1: didn't look too good. Gave up to homers, one to

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Speaker 1: a guy named Mike Ford who was hitting under two hundred,

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Speaker 1: other one of Kyle Raleigh who had a very quiet

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Speaker 1: thirty homer year. But besides that, Miami tries to salvage

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Speaker 1: it again. We are recording on Wednesday, June fourteenth, right

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Speaker 1: before the Seattle Mariners and then Miami Marlins face off

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Speaker 1: in the final game where it's Uri versus former Marlins

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Speaker 1: prospect Luis Castia.

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Speaker 2: What's of Isaac? Yeah, it had been a while since

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Speaker 2: you and I have done this, and it has been

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Speaker 2: even longer time since it was just us no guests,

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Speaker 2: so I thought now it was a good time to

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Speaker 2: get to, you know, do this talk about the current

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Speaker 2: state of the team, which is a very it's a

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Speaker 2: different opinion that I have for them than there was

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Speaker 2: two days ago. So we'll get into that a little

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Speaker 2: bit later.

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Speaker 1: Eli, what's up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, things are things are interesting. Things are as everybody

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Speaker 3: is recognized it's going better and hoped for so much

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Speaker 3: of this year, and now when you lose a couple

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Speaker 3: of games for a team like this that we just

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Speaker 3: know is going to when it comes to like trade

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Speaker 3: deadline time, every single game is so pivotabal pivotal between

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Speaker 3: deciding exactly where they stand their competitive window, exactly what

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Speaker 3: needs they have to address. Things change. Even though it's

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Speaker 3: such a long season, things constantly change back and forth,

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Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth. So they're just right

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Speaker 3: smack deab in the middle of this really long road trip,

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Speaker 3: the last really long road trip. They made it through

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Speaker 3: win pretty good shape at the end, and we'll put

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Speaker 3: this out. We'll put this out when it's still hanging

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Speaker 3: in suspense, so we'll still let them find out on

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Speaker 3: the other end of this exactly how they make it

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Speaker 3: through and out where they go from here. But overall, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this has been a fun season to follow this team,

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Speaker 3: and we chose a really good time to make the

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Speaker 3: switch to fish on first. So once again, thanks everybody

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Speaker 1: If you're a first time listener, make sure to like

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Speaker 1: So let's get into the Seattle series a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I know there's still one game left, but a lot

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Speaker 1: has gone down in the last I guess forty eight

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Speaker 1: hours since since last time we were live, which was

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Speaker 1: on fish on First Live discussing the series. There's some

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Speaker 1: storm moves made, some injury news, but most importantly the

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Speaker 1: game itself. Let's go into those first two games with

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Speaker 1: Zardo got rocked. I wasn't able to watch the line

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Speaker 1: of heat were playing Isaac. Your thoughts on Lozardo's outing

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Speaker 1: probably is worst outing up to the year.

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Speaker 2: You would say, yeah, that was the debut of Isaac's

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Speaker 2: locks and boys locked not the correct word to use

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Speaker 2: right away. Things went south so quickly in that one

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Speaker 2: for Lozardo. You know, give me the lead up double

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Speaker 2: Edward Corbert both suffering from the long ball. Is not

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about Corbert in a little bit. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that neither of these games have been close at all,

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Speaker 2: and the Lozardo one was especially devastating. I would put

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Speaker 1: The word and the think. One thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: So Seattle's pitching is phenomenal. Miami's offense just couldn't get

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Speaker 1: It's just how good the Al West is. But Eli,

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Speaker 1: the offense just struggles. Can we expect this moving forward?

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Speaker 1: I know you have Washington, but you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you've said this many times that Washington Miami you're a

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Speaker 3: M I don't know if I feel that way anymore.

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Speaker 3: I felt that several weeks ago. I mean, the Nationals

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Speaker 3: Slice to have backsback games where you lose such big margins,

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Speaker 3: That you know, the question is exactly whether he can

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Speaker 3: the simple bar right now is just being a decent

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Speaker 3: they can make those small adjustments internally by making sure

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Speaker 3: best players are actually playing and some of your worst

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Speaker 3: players are not playing. We might not get into that

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Speaker 3: then more importantly, things that they'll have to do transactionally

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the offense, though, I think they

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Speaker 1: the Chicago's bullpen is really really good. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: and I think we're talking about this, but you know,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Mariners and the Nutbrriors, the

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Speaker 1: al central there. But their bullpen's good, and I would

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Speaker 1: moving to Edward Cabrera start where he goes four innings,

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Speaker 1: four hits, five runs all earned, three walks, four k's,

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Speaker 1: two home runs, eighty five innings pitched. This is probably Edwards.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time he's given up multi home

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Speaker 1: weeks back or months back, Isaac, Just to your thoughts

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Speaker 1: you do with Edward moving on? I get this point

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, inconsistent, is the word with with with

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Speaker 2: Edward Carberre, especially that curveball. I think he was fishing

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Speaker 2: So it's just really deflating for Corbret has been.

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Speaker 1: A major, major scuff of late.

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Speaker 2: I think the Marlins do have an issue with Corbert.

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Speaker 2: He has not once pitched into the seventh inning yet

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Speaker 2: should say he's only he hasn't walked anyone in only

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Speaker 2: one start all year long. The home runs haven't been

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Speaker 2: too much of an issue, but he's still given up

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Speaker 2: nine of them. I would be a little bit pertured

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Speaker 2: and this. I know we talk about Trevor coming back,

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Speaker 2: and that's when year we would go down. I think

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Speaker 2: the Marlins in the series to consider Yuri possibly taking

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Speaker 2: Edwards place there. I know it's it's probably not an

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Speaker 2: an option left and if they really are serious about this,

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Speaker 2: you know, playoff run quote unquote later in the season.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to figure something out with Corbret because

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Speaker 2: he is not performing the way the team had hoped,

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Speaker 2: the way we had hoped, or the way we had expected.

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Speaker 2: It's it's been looking very very inconsistent right Cobra, and

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Speaker 2: I know he had those two great starts are against

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Speaker 1: Baseball America wasn't wrong. They rejected him as a closer

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Speaker 1: You just saved my life. The Marlins selected contract of

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Speaker 3: in there, and ever since then, you can look at

432
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Speaker 3: his game blogs, there's just no there was like one

433
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 3: clean outing in there end of his last ten or

434
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Speaker 3: eleven that that stretched you that you mentioned every single

435
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 3: time he's it's just the lack of control, and you

436
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: can notice that last year he was kind of overcoming

437
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: it for most of his outings, and this year the

438
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 3: surprise was that he was locating his stuff.

439
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: Like better than ever.

440
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Speaker 3: In April that it really took me by surprise how

441
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Speaker 3: good he was, and at the same time, it takes

442
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 3: me by surprise a little bit like how consistently mediocre

443
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: he was recently. I think the truth is kind of

444
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 3: the overall numbers this year. He's a four e er guy.

445
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: He's a four fielder, independent pitching guy. He's like a

446
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: passable middle reliever. He's a typical middle reliever to me,

447
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 3: just because there's going to be some inconsistency. He's not

448
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 3: always going to know where the ball is going. And

449
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 3: when he doesn't know where the ball is going, he

450
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: just needs to get whiffs. He needs guys to chase

451
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: those pitches. And theoretically he has these great tools to

452
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: get misses's both his fastball and his cutter and his

453
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: change up. Most of all, like he has really nasty stuff.

454
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Speaker 3: He just needs to get a head and counts. And

455
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 3: but surprisingly, like how hittable he has been for this

456
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Speaker 3: big portion of the season, I think that this is

457
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: the right move at this time. So see what you

458
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: got in Archie Bradley, and even beyond him, I think

459
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 3: the next man up should be Anthony Maldonado. I don't

460
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Speaker 3: know what else Anthony Maldonado has to do. Even going

461
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Speaker 3: back to last year at Triple A, he's been amazing

462
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Speaker 3: for that role. And Matt Barnes is probably just a

463
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: couple of weeks away from returning, even though my expectations

464
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: for him aren't especially high. Yeah, overall, we've been spoiled

465
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Speaker 3: by this bullpen. You know, most of the guys in

466
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Speaker 3: this bullpen are still pretty great. You could go through

467
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Speaker 3: basically all the names. There are probably five or six

468
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Speaker 3: guys that even ahead of these others in the depth chart,

469
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Speaker 3: that are really good at what they do. So overall

470
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Speaker 3: it's still it's been a strength of the team and

471
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Speaker 3: actually looks kind of sustainable. You just never know when

472
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: one particular guy is gonna lose it. That Isaac kind

473
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: of sums it up that these guys can like flip

474
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 3: a switch from being dominant to being unusable in a hurry.

475
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: So that's why you just need a lot of them.

476
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: You just need a whole lot of depth at this position.

477
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: You gotta be ready to churn in those spots, you know,

478
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Speaker 3: when it makes sense to do so.

479
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Speaker 1: With Brazavon, and this is a step from fish on

480
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Speaker 1: fish on the farm after he has a lot of

481
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: ten and runs in his last ten point one innings pitch,

482
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Speaker 1: So that shows you kind of how bad Bazavon has been.

483
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: And when you look at the the game logs. His

484
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: last good start was against the Padres where he struck

485
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Speaker 1: out all three from two point two innings pitch. So

486
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: I think with that being said, we could move on

487
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Speaker 1: quickly to Yurie. I think isa kind of teased it

488
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: a little bit with what the situation area is. We

489
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Speaker 1: thought today June fourteenth would have been his last start,

490
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Speaker 1: with expecting Trevor to come back on Monday, with the

491
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Speaker 1: Blue Jay series coming up, he would have just sent

492
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Speaker 1: your down. He would have made a start. But Trevor

493
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: was didn't have a setback. Now it was a discomfort

494
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: in the right arm, so its non throwing shoulder. He

495
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: was ready, he was warming up and all of a

496
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: sudden he was taken out. He didn't even finish his

497
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Speaker 1: warm up. And this is where we kind of come

498
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: to think of does Uri make another start? What do

499
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: you think the Morolns should do with Yuri? We've talked

500
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: about this, I think the past two platforms we've been

501
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: on with the Spaces and then now here on Fish

502
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: on First Live. But I want to get Isaac's thought

503
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: six men rotation is that is that what they really need?

504
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: Is that?

505
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: What do you think they should do? Because we've already

506
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of established. There's no real need to trade any

507
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: starting pitching depth to add Yuri and keep them there.

508
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: And besides that, I mean, you right now have seven

509
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: starters who are gonna be healthy in about a couple

510
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: of weeks, you know, hoping Trevor is back and ready

511
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: to go, and you have to make room for all them.

512
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: You you hope you have seven healthy starters. Oh yeah,

513
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: that's you know. I find that very hard to believe

514
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: that will happen. And when it comes to the six

515
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: men rotation, Eli summed it up pretty well in on

516
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: his pod, and it seems like there's more benefit than

517
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: anything you're you're the one thing that you are losing

518
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: is Sandy pitching every five day. He'll be every six days.

519
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: But you're also limiting URI's innings at the same time,

520
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: having go basically once a week, which is what you

521
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: want to do. So it's tough when to think about that.

522
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's what they're gonna do. We

523
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: hear that it's gonna be one hundred and ten one

524
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty innings for the year, and that includes

525
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 2: minor league innings, So if he pitches every five six days,

526
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: at least five innings. He's gonna hit that by early August,

527
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: so not sure what you're gonna do then. Even if you,

528
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Speaker 2: let's say, slow him down and haven't pitched once every

529
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Speaker 2: seven to ten days, I don't think that's very good

530
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Speaker 2: for the RM I there, Like I said, you don't

531
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: know when you're gonna be in this position. Again, He's

532
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: never pitched more than eighty innings in his life, so

533
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: I don't know why they were just so so careful

534
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 2: within the last couple of seasons. I know there were

535
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: some injury concerns, but hey, I think this two year

536
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: old would be able to handle it. If he had

537
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: to reach you know, one hundred and thirty one hundred

538
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: and forty innings at most, it wouldn't be the worst

539
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: thing in the world. But I do think he'll be

540
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: sent down no matter what, whether it's Quator or Trevor

541
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: taking a spot. I think the Toronto Star would be

542
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: his last one, no matter what, even if they call

543
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: up you know, Sean Moromando, anyone to cub pitch. I

544
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: think Yuri's last one will be will be against Toronto. Unfortunately,

545
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: nothing I agree with it, but that's what I that's

546
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: what I'm feeling.

547
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Speaker 1: How about that? Good for Uri?

548
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: Pairs through six innings for the first time in the

549
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 2: big leagues, throws over ninety pitches for the first time

550
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 2: in his major league career.

551
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: He leaves with a two to nothing lead in Seattle tonight.

552
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: And I want to and I want to ask, when

553
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: it comes to the development of a pitcher, and I

554
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: want to know this, maybe Eli or Isaac would, but

555
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: when do you start kind of ripping the bandage off

556
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: for Urine, letting and stretching out those innings, letting him

557
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: go seven, maybe to eight if he's on a roll,

558
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: extending that pitch count because they have to do it

559
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: at some point. I mean, you're not gonna keep this

560
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: guy limited two hundred and ten hundred twenty innings pitched

561
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: throughout a whole season, including the minor leagues. That's just

562
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: not possible when it comes to a pitcher like Uri,

563
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: especially in the position where Miami is where right now,

564
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: if this season ends today, they would have the second

565
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: World card spot.

566
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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate your your thought on that. I just

567
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: I think it is pretty simple. They are going to

568
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: limit him this year. He is not going to pitch

569
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: into the seventh ending this year. It's not happening this year.

570
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: That is a next year concern. They generally agreed upon

571
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: Major League development plan, which I should mention has had

572
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: no success in terms of keeping pitchers healthy. But this

573
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: is just the general thought process is that guys you

574
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: incrementally increase their endings from one year to the next.

575
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: So with Yuri, it's it's usually somewhere between thirty to

576
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: forty endings if everything goes well, hopefully they're actually available

577
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: to pitch, then thirty to forty from one year to

578
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: the next. So this year, that's how they come up

579
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: with the number around one ten or one fifteen. Then

580
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: the year after that it'll be pretty close to you know,

581
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 3: full length starter. They can get into one forty ish

582
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: or one fifty. Then it's really two years from now,

583
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: it's really twenty twenty five that they'll actually have the

584
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: training wheels off and they'll be able to perform like

585
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: a real starter. And that's frustrating, but that's just that's

586
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: the reality of just being so young. This is just

587
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: generally agreed upon philosophy here with guys that are in

588
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: their very early twenties is that they're not ready to

589
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: pitch every five or six days for stretch of six

590
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: seven months. They're just again, I wouldn't be smart enough

591
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: to tell you exactly what physiological benefit difference is being

592
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: made by you know, limiting them at this very arbitrary

593
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: point and spacing it out. That's just how it's done,

594
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: and just understanding that that is kind of what they're

595
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: going to do. I think the obvious thing here to

596
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: point out is that he's been so effective so far,

597
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: and I've been really encouraged, especially the last couple outings,

598
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: because the first few you could see some flaws and

599
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: some i guess some rough edges around him, and it

600
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: looks like he was kind of overachieving, and I'd say

601
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: more recently it's been more legitimately great, Like it looks

602
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: more sustainably great with him, And it's just makes sense

603
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: to option somebody to the minors if they are already

604
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: a great pitcher in the majors. It's as simple as that.

605
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: If you're trying to win games, then he should be

606
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: in the majors. But if he's not going to be

607
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: available to throw certa number of endings this year by

608
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: your own team, decided restriction on him, then put him

609
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: in the bullpen. Then just use him occasionally in the

610
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: bullpen for multi ending appearances where he's taking over in

611
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: a clean ending, because when you put him in you

612
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: expect him to throw up zeros. Whenever he's doing that.

613
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: You can't take that for granted. You can't take the

614
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: ability to prevent runs for granted. The perfect picture is

615
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty two sandyel Contra, where he throws all

616
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: the innings and he prevents runs at an elite level,

617
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: and Yuri, maybe he becomes that guy two or three

618
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: years from now. In the meantime, he is on that

619
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: same level in terms of run prevention, so you should

620
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: use him to prevent runs on your team. To me,

621
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: it is pretty simple that he should go to the bullpen.

622
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: There is some history of this with other young pitchers

623
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Speaker 3: that go on to be great, successful starters early in

624
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: their careers. If they're just not ready for that full

625
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: season workload, you put them in the bullpen and you

626
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: use them as relievers and they'll get outs in those

627
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: roles like that. So that is to me, the pretty

628
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: obvious solution that would limit his endings. But yet he's

629
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: still contributing at the major league level. And then you

630
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: put him you obviously go into next year with him

631
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: as one of your foundational starters. I just don't see

632
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: any logic behind removing him from your major league team

633
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: if he is one of your better major league pitchers.

634
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: Was someone they did that with righty.

635
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: Yes, that is probably the best example to bring up

636
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: because of how they are in the same bucket in

637
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: terms of being ridiculously young.

638
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: Early in their career.

639
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, with Arias, it was apparent very early on that

640
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: he was a great pitcher. But just to give you

641
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: an example in terms of endings, like, he didn't pitch

642
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: anything close to a full season simp he was twenty four.

643
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: He came up when he was nineteen, and he wasn't

644
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, the wheels in the training wheels din't come

645
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: off until five years later that and he had an

646
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: injury in between there that really slowed him down to

647
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: his shoulder. Even coming back from that injury, they were

648
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: very careful with him and even unfortunately, you know, it's

649
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: such a complicated situation where even now where he's supposed

650
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: to be get entering his prime, he's coming off his

651
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: best year and now he's hurt again. So these guys

652
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: when they're healthy. You can't take for granted guys that

653
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: are healthy and prevent runs. You just don't know how

654
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: long you're going to stay healthy for. As much as

655
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: you want to take these steps to coddle them, these

656
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: steps just don't work in every single case. There's so

657
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: many cases where you do everything to protect them that

658
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: just doesn't work. So it just well, again, so this

659
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: will be released after the Mariners start. Maybe he gets

660
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: the doors blown off, Maybe there's some big fatal flaw

661
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: that is exposed. I have confidence that's not going to

662
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: be the case, and I'd love to see them just

663
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: get creative and find a way just to utilize whatever

664
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: innings that he does have, utilize them all all the

665
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: big league team over the course of the rest of

666
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: the season.

667
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: I mentioned him and Puck at the back end of

668
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: the bullpen. A couple of innings from Uri and you

669
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: have Puck close it out. That's what as a playoff

670
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: team right there, with Urie at the back end of

671
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: that pen, with Rogers and Quato solidifying the at back

672
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: end of the rotation. I couldn't agree more. And just

673
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: to add on to that, this caddling of you know,

674
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: innings that like you said, it just never works. It

675
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: reminds me what they did with Hozier Fernandez, and it

676
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: was just like this. They would not let him go

677
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: more than five innings, never let him reach one hundred pitches.

678
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: They I don't think he ever threw a complete game

679
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: in his entire career. Obviously, you've cut short, but you

680
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: can be as safe as you could want with any pitcher.

681
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: That's not going to prevent him from getting hurt. So

682
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: while he is healthy, while he is a fishing, while

683
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: he is good, use him because he's going to get

684
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: hurt eventually. And that's what the stathistics tell you. One

685
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: in every three pitchers suffers from Tommy john surgery or

686
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: we'll undergo Tommy Johns surery. So let's see how this

687
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: plays out.

688
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Quick update, Joey Wendell again out in the line up

689
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: tonight for Miami, so third straight days out. Moving on

690
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: to another injury news. Dax Fulton is going through a

691
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: UCL repair. It's what it's called ELI. Yeah, so he

692
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: will miss the remainder of the season. He is. It

693
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: always seemed like something was up with Dax since the start,

694
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: because he was just not putting up the usual numbers.

695
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: A five eighteen era four six eight fifth. He was

696
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: walking guys at a five point eighteen walks per nine

697
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: and I it wasn't going well for him since the

698
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: start of spring training. It just seemed as if something

699
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: was up with with Dax. So Eli, just your thoughts

700
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: on the the injury, how long this could take for him,

701
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: and just what it means for Miami system, because now

702
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: that's another possible trade piece that you had out of

703
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: the door. You know, basically in this case out for

704
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: the year. No one's really gonna want him unless there's

705
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: a taker, but highly unlikely. Right.

706
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: What's particularly concerning here is that they drafted him coming

707
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: off Tommy Johnson. That is why he actually fell to

708
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: the second round in the first place. He was super

709
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: highly regarded as a prep pitcher, and he was able

710
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: to fall to them because of, you know, that little

711
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: bit of durability concern. So to see less than four

712
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: years later after his original surgery, to see what is

713
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: a very related issue come up, even if it doesn't

714
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 3: require a second Tommy john Man only twenty one years

715
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: old and already now with this amount of significant wear

716
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 3: on his elbow. But you mentioned it that he just

717
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: you know, it didn't look quite shape the same. This

718
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: stuff just wasn't quite as crisp this year. He only

719
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: had maybe one truly great outing with Pensacola before going

720
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: on the IL a full month ago, and then the

721
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: other ones. You know, it was just a combination of

722
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: it was just overall mediocrity. You know, stuff just didn't

723
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: play the same. He wasn't missing quite as many bats,

724
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: so either he was getting into bad counts and he

725
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: was putting Gaza base or he was just getting kid around.

726
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: And overall it was an era a little over five

727
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: in those seven starts this year for somebody that we

728
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: thought was the second best prospect in this organization, right

729
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: behind Uri. That kind of level of ability also speaks

730
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: to man when you're graduates from prospect eligibility, like who

731
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: is the next man up? There's just such a steep

732
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: drop off and talent from him to everybody else, not

733
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: only because of talent. You know, some of that is talent,

734
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: but a lot of it is also this combination of

735
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: injury concern. As you mentioned, all the other top pitching

736
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 3: prospects in this organization are hurt or recently hurt. Jake

737
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: Eater finally getting close to being a normal pitcher again

738
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: coming back from both his Tommy John and then a

739
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: foot injury. And Max Meyer that's still going to keep

740
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: him off the field until likely the start of next

741
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: year his Tommy John surgery with him. So these are

742
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: guys I mentioned all those guys together because they're all

743
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: drafted in twenty twenty, so three years ago, and pitchers

744
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 3: are typically quicker to the big leagues if they pan out,

745
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: and Maximyer got to the big leagues very briefly before

746
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: hurting himself. That was a draft class I remember that

747
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: was very highly regarded for this team because of the

748
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: upside and also because of the potential for them to

749
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: get there quickly. It is really surprising that three years

750
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: later a couple of those guys got traded and then

751
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: the last guy who's still with the organization, Zach mccamberley.

752
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: He's kind of being converted into a relief from the

753
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: ground up. So that's that's just a big question, Marcus,

754
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: what you're geting from him. Yeah, it's surprising that not

755
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: a single one of those guys is actively contributing to

756
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: the team, and really Eater is the only one that

757
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: has a chance to potentially do something by the very end.

758
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: Of the year. Yeah, anything on your own, Isaac right now.

759
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: No, Kyle Hurt would have been nice. He was the

760
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: last guy that Josh right. No, just I guess the

761
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: only good thing is that it's not fully reconstructing of

762
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: the UCL but it's it's tough, man. I think he

763
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: like really hit it on the button in the sense

764
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: that they really not only do they not have a

765
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: next man up when it comes to starting pitching, that

766
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Farms is some looks significantly worse once Erie does graduate,

767
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: So I'm not looking forward to that. Yeah, I think

768
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: Eli summed it up pretty well.

769
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: All right, So before we ended, as we all know,

770
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Miami is in contention for the wild Card, and at

771
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: this point they would be making it in the second

772
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: wild Card. So with that being said, obviously we see

773
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: the needs of the team. They obviously the Blair need

774
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: is catcher. So we're gonna go through some quick trade targets.

775
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: But before that, I quickly quickly want to go by

776
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: just the names I could possibly head you out the

777
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: way out the door for Miami. We've I know Eli

778
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: mentioned Pat Monteverde in his article today. That's definitely a

779
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye out for but on the

780
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: major league roster there aren't really many. The only impending

781
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: free agents for next season will be when Wendell and

782
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Cooper obviously with how things have lined up, and you know,

783
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: maybe one of those guys goes out the door, but

784
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: the other one probably stays. So, Isaac, how do you

785
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: see the trade deadline working out from Miami? Obviously it's

786
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: on August first at six pm, but just looking at

787
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: it in an earlier ants where they are right now.

788
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: It's gonna be an interesting one because Kim has never

789
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: been in a situation to even consider being a buyer.

790
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: And it looks like I thinks, just like I said,

791
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: they hover around five hundred for the next four six weeks,

792
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: they'll really they'll have no choice, and so I do

793
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: think they are gonna I would be completely shocked that

794
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: I wrote this on Twitter the other day. I would

795
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: be completely shocked if they don't somehow improve the ball club,

796
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: mainly on offense. I don't think they're gonna add to

797
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: the rotation or bullpen at all. I think they like

798
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: what they have in house at Triple A as well,

799
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: So I do think Miami could make a little a

800
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: small but important upgrade, specifically at the catcher position. I

801
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on with Joey Wendell. I don't

802
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: know if there's been a report yet, but I liked

803
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: what I was seeing from him, so I wouldn't say

804
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: short stuthing is as big of a priority for me

805
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: for this particular season as it is for like the

806
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: next few seasons. I think catchers is the area they

807
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: really need Upgreae because Fortest is doing fine, he's whatever

808
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: he's you know, but you know him and another catcher

809
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: like the ones that we're about to mention, I think

810
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: make a huge difference for this ball club.

811
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: The update with one on I'm trying to look for

812
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: it now was it was, I think something with a domon. Well,

813
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: this time he left a doctor slash growing there. It

814
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: is he's likely off the bench, so he should be

815
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: off available off the bench, left a doctor slash brown.

816
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: So that was from Jordan mcpheers and the Miami Herald

817
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: last night. That was he was and he was not

818
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: used off the bench. That was a blowout lost. But

819
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: he yeah, so presumably that's still the same. Okay, Yeah,

820
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: the growing is unrelated. But he did his injury this

821
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: year was an intercostal strain, which is yeah, I don't

822
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: want to like be demonstrate exactly how this stuff is

823
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: related to another, but yeah, so like mildly related to

824
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: what cost some time earlier in the year. But I

825
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: think this is a little further down. Hopefully he gets

826
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: through it. You know, durability has been kind of one

827
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: of the big things holding back his value as a

828
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 3: player each of the last couple of seasons, and he's

829
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: just been playing well, as you mentioned, having a weird

830
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: year but overall having a decent He's been overall pretty

831
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: good for them on both sides of the ball in

832
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: recent weeks. So we need him back. I guess I

833
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: should just mention to be factually accurate. They do have

834
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: another pending free agent, that'd be Dylan Floro. And if

835
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: we talk about this bullpen being a pretty deep bullpen

836
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 3: where we like a lot of these guys, and in Floro,

837
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: he's had some very high highs this year, but also

838
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: you know, a couple he's laid it in an egg

839
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: in a couple of very important spots as well, So

840
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: they're not going to be extending him, And if they

841
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: feel really good about their other pen options, especially with

842
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: these a couple other guys in triple A that they

843
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: maybe if they finally deserve an opportunity, and if Brosubond

844
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: gets turned out like Flora is a guy that even

845
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: if you're contending like I wouldn't be shocked if they

846
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: try to recoup a little bit of young talent in return,

847
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: maybe save a little bit of money sending him out

848
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: in order to spend that money acquiring a veteran at

849
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: another position that they have a greater need. We keep

850
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: touching on this that it has been such a pleasant

851
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: surprise how good this bullpen has been. And we're pretty

852
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: deep into the year and for the most part, it's

853
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: still a pretty impressive bullpen. So you gotta start buying into,

854
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: you know, what your team is at this point and

855
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: realize that if this is a strengthen the team, then

856
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: you can make moves off of that in order to

857
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: address other areas that aren't quite as strong.

858
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: So with that being said, we all have I think

859
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: a name war too. We want to quickly quickly mention,

860
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: so we'll start with isaac Eline. Then I'll wrap it up.

861
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: So the only area of weakness that's larger than just

862
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: simply catchure is left handed power with hayesus Stanchees when

863
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: he was gone. Jazz Chisholm has been out for a

864
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: while now. I think they could really use, you know,

865
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: some sort of lefty bet, especially at the catcher position.

866
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: I think as one of Rondel fits that mold. He's

867
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: on the last year of his deal. And I'm not mistaken,

868
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: so you shouldn't be yeah, signed through twenty twenty three.

869
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: He's in the last year of his deal. He shouldn't

870
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: be too expensive. They have to offset some money. Maybe

871
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: that's somewhere that Dylan Flora could be a part of.

872
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: Obviously there would be nearly enough, but that's someone that

873
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: I really think would really raise the floor of this lineup,

874
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: hit in the middle of it, and offer power from

875
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: both sides of the plate. And he's just someone that's

876
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: been good for you know, almost his entire career. He

877
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: had a really bad year last year, only played ninety

878
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: nine games, but he's you would be the ideal candidate

879
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: for the Marlins to require, in my opinion, Miami guy,

880
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: Cuban Guy. I think he fits the mold really well.

881
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he's known too much for his defensive skills,

882
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: but he can he hadn't have it all.

883
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does have a noodle arm at this stage

884
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: of his career. With him, he's invescinating guy where he

885
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: became such an easy player to shift against, and now

886
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: with the shift going away, he is batting average on

887
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: balls and play is like the highest it's ever been,

888
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: so that is leading to him being being a more

889
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: consistent offensive player. There's more hits to go arounds. I

890
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 3: have a catcher as well. I wrote an entire article

891
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: on him earlier today on website fish On First that

892
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: people can check out Yon Gomes on Gomes of the

893
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: Chicago Cubs. So with Grondal, I think that's probably slightly

894
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: more likely that he's going to be available, just because

895
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: he is in the final year of his deal and

896
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: because his team is I think it's harder to see

897
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: that team really putting things together. On the south side

898
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: and then on the north side. The Cubs got off

899
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: to that could start, but kind of since then, they've

900
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: been very underwhelming with them, even when having a lot

901
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: of their guys healthy. There's still a little bit of

902
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: time for them to strain things out, and they're in

903
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: a division where I don't think they're going to give

904
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: up on things in our hurry. Yet Gomes is a

905
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: guy that even if they are kind of in it,

906
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: I could see them moving him just because of to

907
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: recoup some value on their own end to address other needs.

908
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: The fact that they have a youngish catcher in Miguel

909
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: Amaya who used to be a top prospect, and if

910
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: they want to find out exactly what they have in him,

911
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: they need to play him somewhere. At the moment, the

912
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: Cubs are actually carrying three catchers on the roster at

913
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: the same time, so I wouldn't be shocked if he's available.

914
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: With Gomes he is, I did not realize this. He

915
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: is the very best catcher at hitting left handed pitching

916
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: this year. He is a one point eighty WRC plus

917
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: against lefties. Absolutely destroys lefties this year. So that's a

918
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: situation that's where you can find opportunities from the play

919
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: where you feel pretty good about him having good at

920
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: bats when he has a platoon advantage. He's just he's

921
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: been around such a long time and he's been a

922
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: little more consistent than somebody like Krondel. Almost every single

923
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: year he is averager better in terms of offense that

924
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: you get from the catcher's position, and defensively, I think

925
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: he's all right. He greats really poorly as a pitch

926
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: framer so far this year, then again, Jacob Stallings does

927
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: as well. I just feel like he's a pretty clear

928
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: improvement over Stallings in a lot of regards, having the

929
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: power that Stallings doesn't, defensively, still being passable, being able

930
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: to actually catch runners despite not having a very strong

931
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: throwing arm himself. And he has a club option for

932
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: next year. When you're talking about not just this year

933
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: but also twenty twenty four, it's really unclear what the

934
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: Marlins are going to do with that position. So if

935
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: he plays well down the stretch, it's a six million

936
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: dollar club option, which is entirely reasonable if you expect

937
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: him to play half of your games or anything close

938
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: to that at that spot. I think it's a really

939
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: relatively safe deal for somebody that's really highly regarded for

940
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: his intangibles, has a lot of playoff experience, He's been

941
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: a World Series champion with the Nationals. He is an

942
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: older player, he's about to turn thirty six, so you

943
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: just never know exactly when physically the body is going

944
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: to give out. For a catcher, but I think this

945
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 3: would be a really nice gamble that probably wouldn't cost

946
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: a whole lot in terms of prospect capital.

947
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes makes a lot of senence. Probably out

948
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: of all the names we've were gonna mention in the

949
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: next month, it's probably the most attainable name. I don't

950
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: think the parts would be too much. Obviously, I think

951
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: Eli he was in Monteverdi and Cash over to Chicago

952
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: or for games, so that makes a lot of sense.

953
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention probably it's a Triple A name, a

954
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: guy who's being blocked, so we've mentioned that and other possibilities. Obviously,

955
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: going to the minor league is the The market isn't

956
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: too strong for catchers in the major on the major

957
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: league level besides Grondal and Gomes, so why not go

958
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: into Triple A and go get ivon Herra, who too

959
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: many was he was considered the heir apparent to Yadier Molina,

960
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: who you know. Obviously. Now Wilson, contrast, is on the team,

961
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: so he's once against, once again blocked. He didn't have

962
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: too much success at the big league level. He only

963
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: played eleven games, though, so in this year in Triple eight,

964
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: hitting two ninety six, four to twenty five, five point

965
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: thirty one and nine to fifty six with six home

966
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: runs thirty four. RBIs a one forty two WRC plus

967
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: twenty three year old catcher who absolutely dominates Righty's something

968
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: that Miami's had issues with this year, or at least

969
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: towards the beginning of the year they did. He's not

970
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: a free agent until twenty twenty nine. I want to say,

971
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean now I'm wrong, not twenty twenty nine. He's

972
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: still his years left. He has his years left. So

973
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Not only would it be helpful for

974
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: this year, but moving forward you get a young catcher finally,

975
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: someone who is developed correctly all the way through the

976
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: minor league's like a really good organization. Despite the record

977
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: this season, they're a really good organization, and this it

978
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. And you know, with Grondali,

979
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: he's an impending free agent at the end of the

980
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: season with his huge contract right now, and you don't

981
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna come back, and it makes sense.

982
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: And there's obviously other catchers I would love to talk

983
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: about in the minor league levels, but right now one

984
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: that's being blocked is Herrera. The only other one that

985
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: I could think of is Cora Lee of the Houston Astros.

986
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: That would be a cool name to bring on for Miami.

987
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: Another guy who right now being blocked by Martin Maldonado.

988
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: So that's really about it for catchers, Eli, you're muted.

989
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: It's mentioned finally on the catching notes quietly, Stallings has

990
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: been playing at a more adequate level lately. He's thrown

991
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: out a few runners, he's actually getting on base, and

992
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: almost all of his starts over the last nine games,

993
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: over the last couple well, I think that's about three

994
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: weeks at this point, so in a small sample, has

995
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: been playing closer to respectability. That's why these decisions wait

996
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 3: until the deadline. If he somehow keeps up that up,

997
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: you know, from now through July, then if they don't

998
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: see a significant upgrade out there, if he's not a

999
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: clear DFA candidate come to the deadline, then they're not

1000
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: gonna do anything. They're going to as Craig Miss reported

1001
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: in the Herald, They're they're keeping an eye on the

1002
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: catch and market. They absolutely should. Stalings doesn't deserve the

1003
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubts anymore, after how poorly he played

1004
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: for most of the last year. That being said, this

1005
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: is not the only position that they'll go after, and

1006
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: it's not one that they necessarily will make a move

1007
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: unless there's something out there that definitely makes sense.

1008
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: And then the final I guess position that Isaac and

1009
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: Eli mentioned will shortstop. I mean, you look at the market,

1010
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: I can't name a shortstop right now that I really

1011
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: really want Miami to go after, so looking internally at

1012
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Jacob Maya, that would be a name that I know

1013
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: I've been mentioning for a while. Isaac has as well. Isaac,

1014
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: if Mimie goes into the deadline, no catcher and no catch,

1015
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no shortstop? Do you do? You you call

1016
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: it Mamayah, especially with if Bertie continues to play not

1017
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: to you know the level you want?

1018
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we you asked me this the other day. I

1019
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: think it was on the spaces if it's the perfect

1020
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: platoon situation, and it really is. I run my season

1021
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: a preview for Jacob Mamiah. He crushes left handers and

1022
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: this season has really been no different since May twelve.

1023
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: He's actually has an ops of a thousand last month.

1024
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think you're maybe Eli was a little

1025
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: touched on it pretty well. Is that John Birdie. It's

1026
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: not necessarily that guy to be starting in the left

1027
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: side of the infield every single day like he pretty

1028
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: much has been. And Jacob mamia would do so many

1029
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: good things. He's elite with the glove. We all know

1030
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: that they got a younger Miguel Rojas. Bar I was

1031
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: hoping that last year Miguel ROAs would be that perfect

1032
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: platoon with Joey Wendell. They didn't necessarily try that route.

1033
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: I think today this season it's a very opportunity to

1034
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: try that platoon, and I guess they just don't like it. Obviously,

1035
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: Skip Schumacher's here and it's not Don Manning anymore, so

1036
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: maybe he'd be more. He was very excited about Jacob

1037
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: Maya when we spoke about him in spring training. I

1038
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: think it's only a matter of time till we see

1039
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: him up in the big leagues. And yeah, instead of

1040
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, getting Hampson and Birdie at short tonight where

1041
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: Joey wind was a little bit banged up, you'd have

1042
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: Jacob Mamaya facing Louis Cassillo and you feel a little

1043
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: bit better about the line. I think seeing him in

1044
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: there rather than the names that we have and they

1045
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: have been with that.

1046
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, with that, I think there's not much more to

1047
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: There's nothing else to cover, I know, unless I'm missing something.

1048
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: Eliasac Well, I just want to throw out there. This

1049
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: is a name that probably came up last offseason or

1050
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: the year before. That's not on the market now, but

1051
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: potentially by the time we get to the data line.

1052
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: Willie Adamis of the Brewers.

1053
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 3: He's been fantastic player a couple of times. He's got

1054
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: great power for that position. This year a down year

1055
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: for him, and it's a down year for the Brewers.

1056
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: They just lost again. They dropped down to five hundred,

1057
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: so even in the competitive division last year they were

1058
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: in an even better spot.

1059
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: And what do they do.

1060
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: They traded Josh Hater at the head line. Now, that

1061
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: was kind of a unique situation, but not really. I

1062
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: mean with a Damis, it's the same case where he's

1063
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: a very good player. Unless they are really confident in

1064
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: being able to extend him long term, then they might

1065
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: try to deal him while his value is still relatively high.

1066
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: So I don't know if the Marlins have the chips

1067
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: in order to get him, it would have to take

1068
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: a pretty unique situation for him to become available. That's

1069
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: just the name I want to keep my eyes on

1070
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: for a Brewers team that I think, as I said,

1071
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Speaker 3: they've done a similar deal like this before. So if

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Speaker 3: they are not, you know, clear cut favorites in their

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Speaker 3: division the way that people thought they would be, they

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Speaker 3: I think there's a possibility for sninky blockbuster like that

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Speaker 3: to emerge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the interesting thing about this headline, and I

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Speaker 1: probably should have mentioned this right from the start when

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Speaker 1: we started talking about this, is the sellers this season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're selling, but they don't have many pieces to offer,

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Speaker 1: and probably, in this case for Miami, pieces that Miami

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Speaker 1: wouldn't need because when you look at the Royals, you're

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Speaker 1: obviously gonna think of Scott Barrow and role As Chapman,

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Speaker 1: but as nice as those guys would be on the

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Speaker 1: Miami bullpen, you don't really need them. And then you

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Speaker 1: look at Athletics, I mean, they're the Oakland As. There

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Speaker 1: are a couple of guys that keep my eye on,

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Speaker 1: or maybe two or three guys, but besides that, there's

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Speaker 1: not really much there. And then obviously the Cardinals they

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Speaker 1: have their guys, but you really think that that's still

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Speaker 1: weird situation there with the Cardinals, so it's a weird deadline.

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Speaker 1: There's not many names out there that are as flashy

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Speaker 1: as we did see last year with Hater and all

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00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: these other guys that were moving around the major leagues.

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Speaker 1: But with that, I think we could we could wrap

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Speaker 1: it up, Isaac Anny last word or anything else I missed?

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Speaker 2: No, it should promises to be a very fun pitching

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Speaker 2: matchup tonight, and you're against Louis Castillo or Louis Castillo

1098
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Speaker 2: always dominates the Miami More Orlins, his former team that

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Speaker 2: traded him twice, So it should be a fun one.

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Speaker 2: And if it is in fact the URI's last start,

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Speaker 2: make sure to enjoy him because he's a special kid.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Well, with that being said, eli Isaac myself, see you

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Speaker 1: guys all in two weeks. Beast out and go fish