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Speaker 1: Roney fan Leslie Bibb, with a cameo from her life

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Speaker 1: partner Sam Rockwell, joins me to break down the episode.

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Speaker 1: This is Real Housewives of New York Season ten, Episode seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Ship Happens.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you too. Congrats on your new movie

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Speaker 2: about my father.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Sorry, I'm a little distracted. Mark dog

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Speaker 3: is in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 3: But you might see my partner come out of the

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Speaker 2: Oh it's okay, I look forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he'pe.

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Speaker 2: We clothed them said, oh wow, whatever, we get what

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Speaker 2: we get. We don't get upset.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So are you first of all, congratulations of congratulations

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Speaker 1: on about my father?

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Speaker 2: How is the response? How was the premiere? Like? How

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Speaker 3: The premiere was great? The response is we'll see you know,

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Speaker 3: this weekend will be a big deal. But to see

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Speaker 3: if people show up in the movies and it's like

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Speaker 3: and you're also going up against like Fast and Furious.

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus and that, and it's a weird time in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like, but when I was doing the junket,

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Speaker 3: like when people genuinely genuinely come in, I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: It's it's Sebastian wrote like a love story to his father.

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Speaker 1: Which is it's very it's very you have good ingredients.

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Speaker 2: And I mean he's hot right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it could be. I mean, everybody loves the movie.

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Speaker 3: I'm really proud of it. Usually stuff I do, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I see like faults in this movie. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I love it. And my boyfriend is like, he was like,

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Speaker 3: Mike and he's stood up with Dany. He's Italian. He's like,

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Speaker 3: I was like, cute, but he also is an Italian

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Speaker 3: this connective tis shoot. The tweeting are like Sammy, sam

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Speaker 3: Hi to Bethany.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, how are you?

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Speaker 1: If I were not afraid to get kid, she said,

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Speaker 2: Out of it. Oh, it's you. I know who you are.

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Speaker 2: Oh do you know who I am? By any chance?

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Speaker 3: I know your face we interviewed before. No, No, she's no,

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Speaker 3: I'm okay, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: If I were not afraid of cancelation, I would have said, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick them up.

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Speaker 3: We've been together for it'll be sixteen years this year.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit. I had no idea. So that's nice.

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Speaker 3: So that's nobody. Well, we don't nobody get I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: I've never, my Godtress has ever said that before. That's

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Speaker 1: So so I'm in this episode, and to describe to

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Speaker 2: So I'm watching. I'm doing this with you.

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Speaker 3: really incredible hour of television.

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00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: No, it's like people think they're gonna die or the

438
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 1: plane's going down. You're hugging people that just sit next

439
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 1: to you. It doesn't matter what's going on in life.

440
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you all just start that like I mean,

441
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: Sonia said something when like the boat's already starting to

442
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 3: go weird, and Sonya's like, this isn't normal, this isn't normal,

443
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 3: and Tinsey's like, this is how the water is, this

444
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: is how the water is.

445
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: Well, she's drinking and trying to cover up the trip.

446
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: She wants to put frosting on this trip. She keeps

447
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 1: putting frosting on the trip because she's feeling like the

448
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 1: viewer is going to think it's her trip, her trip, Yeah,

449
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: because she had gotten there was Scott. So she's like

450
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: owning it and everyone wants to own the house and

451
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 1: own the trips.

452
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 2: She's owning and.

453
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 3: Make it like that it's the best thing ever. But nothing.

454
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 3: But what made me laugh is that since Sonya goes,

455
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 3: I just peed all over is this yours? And she

456
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: picks up like this black jacket and she literally peed

457
00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,239
Speaker 3: on Tinsley's coat or something, and I was like it

458
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 3: was like this funny precursor to the diarrhea that was about.

459
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: To say, that's hilarious pressing, and she had it's sexy. First,

460
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: Luanne is sitting down and we're about to get into

461
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: the Durinda and Luanne fight, and we're talking about the

462
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: countess and there's obviously some countess problem that people are having,

463
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: and and Luanne likes to say, well, Lady Gaga, oh

464
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: my god, I wrote it down, and Queen Latifa right,

465
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: And Carol though does says something smart. She goes those

466
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: are stage names, like and now Countess has made it

467
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 1: into sort of a stage name, but she's using it

468
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: as like a real royal type with Darling you never

469
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: put your lipstick under the day, like we're not a

470
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: real count what does that even mean? You were born

471
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: in Connecticut and like act like you're European and you

472
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: use this name. This is a breakfast fight, and this

473
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: is a roller coaster because Deorinda doesn't know what she

474
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 1: can land. If she thinks she can land being right right,

475
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: she'll land it, but she can't land being wrong in

476
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: her head. She's in her head as an actress at

477
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: the moment, like she's in her head, thinking about like

478
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: how this is going to be, and she feels bad.

479
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: Do you think she remembers the cup? Do you think

480
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: she remembers what she said the night before? Do you

481
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: think she really remembers she said?

482
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: No, The essence like Ramona before, has been like shit,

483
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 1: I fucked up and I said something not great. And

484
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: Durnda knows herself too, and she knows she lit you know,

485
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: lit up, and she probably wasn't right. And she knows

486
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: that Luanne did provoke her, say something to provoke her,

487
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: which I understand, but that's Direinda's style. It's like you

488
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: come and say one thing, I will blow the whole

489
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: top off. So yeah, And she just doesn't like to

490
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: be like scolded for even a second.

491
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: She gets worried about like she will cut you off

492
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: with the pass.

493
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

494
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: So I I understand Durinda's perspective though, And and Luanne

495
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: didn't even give a real apology. I was like, well,

496
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you thought that I was it.

497
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: Was all that must be very difficult. There were always

498
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 3: like those apologies like when somebody goes, well, that must

499
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: be very difficult for you. Yes, it's fake apologies. It's

500
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: like this is your this is your bullshit on your

501
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: side of the I'm not I'm not owning that, and

502
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: it felt like they were both doing it for each

503
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: other like these like I'm apologizing, I'm doing the right thing,

504
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: but I'm not really apologizing. I'm not really owning my shit.

505
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: It's true, but I will say that talking to Luwane

506
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: the night before, I do realize that when you see

507
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: somebody I have a person that I was friendly with

508
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: that often goes dark, like below the belt, and when

509
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: you see that someone has that side, that lash that

510
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: will go all the way. It's scary because Luanne said

511
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: she's starting, which isn't great, but that's reality show like medium,

512
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: but saying like, oh really, I don't have a fucking mugshot,

513
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: Like what that's.

514
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: You're Yeah, fasten your seatbelts. It's gonna be a bumpy knife.

515
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

516
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: That feels different like you're going to go for anything

517
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: you can grab at. That's not great in the heat

518
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 1: of the moment, and that's scary as a recipient. So

519
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: I Luanne was a little like, wow, I didn't know

520
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: you felt this way about me. Like I, I will

521
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: say I understand Luan's perspective. She was wrong to poke

522
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: a bear in the zoo, but she got a lot.

523
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: The punishment did not fit right, Okay, so we agree

524
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: the punishment did not at the crime it was. It

525
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: was disproportionate to what had happened. I agree with God

526
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: and yes, and Derinda knows that, which is why she's inside.

527
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: And one of the things that Ramona is a gem

528
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: at and Durinda and I are failures at and you

529
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 1: seem to be a failure at it too. If in

530
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: the moment you're not feeling the mood, but the party

531
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: is still going on because we're in a reality show

532
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: and we're in the next scene and we're all supposed

533
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: to act like we didn't just get gutted. Durinda can't recover,

534
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: and I'm I can you you're moody. I couldn't recover

535
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: earlier in Colombia when I was upset and you think

536
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: things aren't going your way and it's hard to like

537
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: just pop out. Romona can pop out like a jack

538
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: in the box and change in the next scene just

539
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: really remarkable.

540
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: Well, but I I just I don't. That's like it's

541
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: it feels, it just feels I couldn't. I don't under

542
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: how it's humanly possible to go like that feels like

543
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 3: wait where that makes me weirdly feel more unsafe when

544
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: somebody's like I do, And then it's fine, We're that's

545
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: the thing that people do.

546
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: All the time, the same.

547
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, wipe this under the carpet, like it's

548
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: not normal, it's it's but it's fascinating to watch, Like,

549
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: I mean, Ramona, right, Ramona is the queen of being

550
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: able to be like I don't know, I don't know,

551
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know with those eyes and those right, like

552
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: it's just like okay, And then she does these apologies,

553
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: but I feel like she means them when she's doing it,

554
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: but it also feels, I don't want to say, insane,

555
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: but it's ingenuous.

556
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: No, she just wants to get to the next scene

557
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: and clean it up so she can get to the

558
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: next party. And that's the thing, because Ramona is perfect

559
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: for reality TV because she brings the drama but doesn't

560
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: kill the party.

561
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: So Ramona, you and.

562
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: I are vibe killers and and she said that.

563
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: But I will decimate someone like on what happened, but

564
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: I won't just throw out wild insults, you know, And

565
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: I won't go low like that, like I'll say something

566
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: based on something that's happening or that has happened. It

567
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: might hurt them, but it's not like out of nowhere,

568
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of those moments in my life I

569
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: still remember. So these people could never be my very

570
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: close friends because none of my ever, none of my

571
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: close friends, have ever said anything to me like what

572
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: has been said to me on that show. So it's

573
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: just the genre. Yeah, it's the genre that you could

574
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: say to someone something like the mugshot thing and then

575
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: be friends with them next year, because I guess everybody

576
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: realizes that you were on the field checking each other

577
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: and that's part of what that game is.

578
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: But it's hard to separate.

579
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: It's really hard to separate. But then this incredible thing

580
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 3: happened when you guys went to the island, Like the

581
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: next morning though, they you guys, they're fighting at the

582
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: table and I believe I feel like you talked to

583
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: one of them. And then suddenly they're on some side porch.

584
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: Like the hallway, like yeah, yeah, outdoor hallway.

585
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: And they're crying and hugging each other and saying it's okay,

586
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 3: and I'm like, whoa. And then then they go they

587
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 3: go to the island, and it's like nothing happened, but

588
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: then Derenda feels lonely and then I don't know. It's

589
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: so it's you know when you have like a toddler

590
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: and they'll go from like joy to having a full

591
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: blown meltdown to and rage to passing on yeah, to

592
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: passing out and then waking up and being like, let's

593
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: do this totally, something like it's the boat, it's the boat,

594
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: and telling you it's like that boat became representative of

595
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: acts what was happening in the thing. I mean even

596
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: when you.

597
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: Said, God, we have a new therapist for the show,

598
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, Lessen.

599
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. So it's like.

600
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: The second thing when you're at the table, you thought

601
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 3: this was happening, and it was like literally like parallels

602
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: that you guys are at one end and then at

603
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: the other end people are throwing mugshots and going off

604
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: like she's starting yeah over there, and then you and

605
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 3: Carol you're watching. I mean, for me as if you were.

606
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: I thought you guys were really close friends, and.

607
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: I thought you were. We definitely were.

608
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's felt like you guys were really close friends,

609
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: and it was very sad to watch it because as

610
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: if you were there was every time you, guys thought,

611
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: I felt like you were watching the dissolution of a

612
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: very good friendship.

613
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: Totally.

614
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: It's a different style. We had a different style, by

615
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: the way, that's another thing you could analyze, first of all,

616
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: which you're describing about the two different groups. It's like

617
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: we're below deck with the crew and like they're the

618
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: fancy people over there, and there's two things going on

619
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: on the same boat. So yes, exactly upstairs downstairs. But

620
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: you're right, we had a different style of arguing. Like

621
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: in my mind, Carol's saying like, you know, you want

622
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: to text and talk and like I'm not.

623
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm busy.

624
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I don't have a life or

625
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: a job or career or whatever. It just was very

626
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: it was it was a little It was talking down

627
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: to me and she was like wow, stop, Bethany stop. Yes,

628
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: she kept dismissing me and making it like I was

629
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: so little and it was making me feel really bad.

630
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: But you're right, it was representative of it could be

631
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: a husband and a wife where she doesn't feel important anymore,

632
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: or a friendship. But it was a different style and

633
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: you're right that the two of them, it felt like

634
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: they both tried to really like win or get their

635
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: best shots in. And then in the hallway, it was

636
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: just like, let's just hug. Like you know, when you've

637
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: had a relationship fight with like let's say you and

638
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: San you got you want to just wake up the

639
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: next morn and be like, let's just not let's just

640
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: not do this, Let's just yeah, this is.

641
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: What it is. We both weren't our best selves exactly,

642
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: but I will say there was something like I found

643
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: as a viewer, I was very it was heartbreaking and

644
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: and every time so it was started at that table

645
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: that it went the next morning when you guys were

646
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: at the breakfast table, and then I felt like you

647
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: were just like you said to me, were going down

648
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: the steps.

649
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: You're like this is sing sing.

650
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like this is sing sing. In this moment,

651
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: I saw like you saw the fact that you guys

652
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: were good friends, and like you sort of had a

653
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: similar like banter of something like I don't.

654
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: Know it was it broke. It broke the fever.

655
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 3: It broke the fever. But also and it was great writing.

656
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: It was really funny, and the fact when you guys

657
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: that they got on the boat, and Tinsley kept saying,

658
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: it's not that big of a deal, It's not that

659
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: big of a deal, and then they cut to Carol

660
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: and Carol says, I have reported in Afghanistan.

661
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh well, of course she said that, yes, And then

662
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: what she.

663
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: Was saying just to say that boat was terrifying, and

664
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: it's in line of what you were saying. There was

665
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: not enough vests, there was smoke coming out. You didn't

666
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: know why there was smoke coming out of the thing.

667
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: People are puking, people are sliding all over the place.

668
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: The poor crew is having to stand up and hold

669
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: cameras like, I don't know how they're holding.

670
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 2: No, but you're right.

671
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: You bring up another example of it being like a

672
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: drawing room comedy. Tinsley's at you know, a costume party,

673
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: you know and where, and Carol's throwing up at a

674
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: bucket like it's two different with the boat is it

675
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a Megga yacht, It wasn't Paul Allen's octopusy the

676
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: three hundred foot. Yeah, it was a fucking forty foot boat.

677
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: And Tinsley's acting like she's in a different movie. She

678
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: like walked off the set into another soundstage.

679
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just.

680
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: Like it was. It was so it was amazing and

681
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: she's kind of tipsy and drunk, and it was like this,

682
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: Like I was like, what I want what she's having.

683
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: I want to be able to go through life, and

684
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: she goes, I don't know, I don't know if I

685
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: just want to Like Ramona was like, what do you

686
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: want to do? What do you want to do? She's like,

687
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've I've said this, maybe I just

688
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: want to be a wifey And I'm like, oh, and

689
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: it's to me, it's that's hard for me to relate.

690
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: She and it didn't work out that great, of course, But.

691
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I was a kid like you were.

692
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: I feel like you probably had a job when you

693
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: were a kid, and you are like, I've just always

694
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: been working as a hustling in some way.

695
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: Yes, But you know what, I'm gonna be honest about

696
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: two things. Number One with the Carol thing, which I'm

697
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: just going back one second, ok go, she I was

698
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say started it because it's juvenile,

699
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: but if somebody started this schism, it was me because

700
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: of things that happened off camera in the beginning of

701
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: the season, so I would say, if anybody lit the match,

702
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was bubbling. But here she is right

703
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: when she says I'm questioning our friendship. I'm she's right

704
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: that I'm questioning it. And she's she's talking really badly

705
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: about me in the interviews, which I'm not really doing

706
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: about her, Like I'm she's really talking badly about me,

707
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: But Bethane's the biggest shopper, and like not saying it

708
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: to my face, which is she's because she's like very cowardice, cowardly.

709
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: But you're bringing I just want to check that box.

710
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: But when you're bringing up Tinsley, it's funny because now

711
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm remembering that big heart of flowers that came the

712
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: day before and her performative Cardier bracelet, and I remember

713
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: that that made me feel a little bad about myself

714
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: and the relationship that I was in. And it was

715
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: very performative. It was always very on camera, which should

716
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: have been suspect about the guy who ended up publicly

717
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: talking badly about her when they broke up, like talking

718
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: to the press when he's not even a public personality,

719
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: and like, okay, it's a lot of money and he

720
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: bought her flower arrangements, probably one hundred and fifty dollars,

721
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: and he bought her a Cardia bracelet. It's a couple

722
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars. It's not nothing, but it was all

723
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: on TV. Everything she got. Paul, my fiancees bought me

724
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: tons of major gifts and flowers and like, I don't

725
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: put that on TV. So now, with hindsight, I realized

726
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: I was probably in a certain place where it made

727
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: me feel a little insecure about my relationship or something.

728
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: But you wasn't.

729
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: I was with my ex who ended up passing away,

730
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: but it was not a relationship that I tried to

731
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: drink the relationship.

732
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: Pretty and it wasn't. I always had a hope for it, but.

733
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: That made me feel an worse if you're in a

734
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: bad place in your relationship and you see something like that,

735
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: even though it seems for the cameras, because he was

736
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: doing it for the cameras, who sends like like for

737
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby flowers into a set.

738
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: It was the craziest flower arrangement ever I forgot. He

739
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: gave her a Cardier bracelet.

740
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: It was also Colombia was making the flower arrangement. So

741
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't get pictures and this is what he

742
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: was getting.

743
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. But I wanted to be like the

744
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: fact that like no, but that they could have easily

745
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: sent like a bouquet of flowers. That was a very,

746
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: that was a specific with the initials, so he had

747
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: to be say this is my initial this is mine.

748
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: Like they didn't sit there and go, you're right, what

749
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: is the what's the woman's last name? You're right, that's

750
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: his last name, and that they're in Colombia going oh, well,

751
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: let's do this and we're going to put their initials

752
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: on a giant part in white flowers and do that.

753
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: It was a very, It was that's interesting. It's presentational.

754
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: Yes, got us for the view sorry, not for us,

755
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: for you for the viewer. Like Scott is a character

756
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: that wants the viewer to think he's a baller, and

757
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like she drove her Bentley that

758
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: was not her, but it was never real.

759
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't her Bentley, it was his Bentley that he

760
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: let her.

761
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Drive for a little while with strings and then they

762
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: went on a trip to Dubai with Derinda and John

763
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. And if everybody wasn't following

764
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: the itinerary to a t, Scott scolded them all because

765
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: he was paying them all to promote his business. So

766
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: he's paying them like fifteen thousand dollars to promote Coupon Cabin.

767
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: So he was like using the show as a tool.

768
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: He was really I remember like there were like Carol

769
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: and Tinseley did Coupon Cabin I forgot that's the name

770
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: of it. Commercials. Yes, Like there were commercials that ran

771
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: during the thing, and I was like, oh, this is weird,

772
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: this is this feels weird to me.

773
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: Like what about when he bought a pink Chanel bag

774
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: via Tinsley and Leah promoted that, like talked about it,

775
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: and Leah had helped with Coupon Cabin too, so people

776
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: were like, you know, it seems good. Like you're doing

777
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: a commercial for a coupon Cabin, a company that's probably

778
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: worth a couple hundred million dollars, and of course he's

779
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: gonna buy you a Chanel bag, but that's like payment,

780
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: it's not like a gift. So it felt like the

781
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: whole thing he was trying to insert himself into the

782
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: show via these gifts that it's expensive. With six thousand

783
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: dollars to get Scott and coupon cabin into the show

784
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: is a small price to pay.

785
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: Scott, the most shy person that never like wants to talk,

786
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: and like somehow he was smart enough to go like,

787
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm gonna insert myself, but I'm not

788
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: gonna say anything because he doesn't really speak. No, Okay, wait,

789
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: can I ask you one thing to queue? I literally

790
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: took notes, so.

791
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: Look at this. I love this.

792
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: I love very Springer, Rest and peace, Terry Springer. He

793
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: had pages of not copious notes, had never seen the show,

794
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: and he sent them to me, which is should go.

795
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: In one of your offices. I'm sure you have a

796
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: lot of.

797
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to frame them. Okay, sorry, I go ahead.

798
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: When they're talking, I think Dorinda maybe I don't know

799
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: if it was if they're on that side porch or

800
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: if they're on the island. They hug and Dorenda hugs

801
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: her and said let's go away for twenty one days.

802
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 3: And it's really underneath underneath, like she's hugging her hand.

803
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: Her head is buried in mind. But she hugged her

804
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: and she said, let's go away for twenty one days,

805
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, that's such an intense like

806
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: it was such a strange joke.

807
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's a good way.

808
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: You know how people say now like there is new

809
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: terminology and some of it works, Like sober curious is

810
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: a nice terminology. I would say to be respect full

811
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: and based on things that I've said that Derinda has

812
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: a complicated and challenging relationship with alcohol. It's not you know,

813
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: it's a difficult relationship to it where I'm sure she

814
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: can go days and not drink and be in her

815
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: health kick and then and also to during this credit,

816
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: that show is very difficult to endure without having a cocktail.

817
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: It seems like a good idea. It could get you

818
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: through things.

819
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: Also too, We've also been in a pandemic, so I

820
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: think that like everybody, I mean, I drink more than

821
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: I should have during like pandemic.

822
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: It was something I do.

823
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: It was something to do and the world is falling apart. Listen,

824
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 3: I there's no there's no stones being cast.

825
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: No, I know You're not. You didn't even sound but.

826
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: Like I I'm constantly like I always just sort of

827
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: check like drinking is just because it's a slippery slope,

828
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: especially after a pandemic.

829
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Like I stopped drinking hard alcohol full stop. At what

830
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: did I I was like having I'd be like, hey,

831
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: is it cocktail?

832
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh? Got it?

833
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: But that's what salmon. I would be like, let's have

834
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: a drink, and.

835
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a thing. But here's the thing I miss.

836
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: I miss cocktails. I'll sleep why yes? And I have

837
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: a rose and it's stunning an oath al I'm going

838
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: to put you on the list for that too. I

839
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: gotta but and it's stunning and it's elevated and it's

840
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: beautiful and it's called Forever Young, and it's just it's

841
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: like what we drink at this age, Like it's better

842
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: at one, it's got the highest rating. It's just a

843
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: different level. It's not your drinking to drink. But during

844
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: the pandemic, it was fun to make a cocktail. And

845
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: it was like and I missed the something to do.

846
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: Like I was a person that would be alone and

847
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I would pour vodka over ice and like the sound

848
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: and I'd like the olives and it was like a

849
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: little process and just sip it. I wouldn't even drink

850
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: the whole thing, or if I couldn't sleep. I would

851
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: not drink all day and just like when I couldn't sleep,

852
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: sip it even though I know it's not good for

853
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: lack of sleep, but it didn't agree with me, and

854
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: it became something that I didn't like. I just didn't

855
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: like the dehydration aspect. I have health issues like it

856
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: just became something that you have a complicated relationship. But

857
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: it's not the same as when we were young.

858
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: I could not agree or I find that like you

859
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: I was. I say to all my friends, I was like,

860
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: I don't have the legs for a hangover any I

861
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: just can't. And sometimes I find and this is what

862
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: I have, friend tricky, if I were a house I

863
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: don't know how you guys do it. I don't know

864
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 3: how you have cameras in your home all the time.

865
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: So it's it's so interesting. So it's so easy to

866
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: be like I hate this person and I hate this

867
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: and this makes me nuts. But it's also like it's

868
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: we're as a as the as the viewer. We're consuming

869
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: you so and then we're like it's like the Colosseum

870
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: in a way. That's what I feel like, Yeah, you

871
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 3: have to be like that you're in, you're out.

872
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: No, exactly. Oh my god.

873
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: I always said, brilliant, brilliant, everybody, let's loop clap. Because

874
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: it's a zero some game at all times, it's a

875
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: it's Someone asked me, what does that mean? As zero

876
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: some game means what you just said, someone lives, someone

877
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: dies at all times in every scene. If you break

878
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: down any scene ever, someone is winning, someone is losing.

879
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: You may not even know if you're the fish in

880
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: the room. If you don't know who the who's getting fucked,

881
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: you're getting fucked. You don't know it, like you're the

882
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: one and and it could be five people feeding off

883
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: the frenzy and they're talking about you and you walk

884
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: in the room and you didn't know that you're the

885
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: one getting fucked, like and that is so activating, and

886
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: it is unnecessary.

887
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: And it is toxic.

888
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: And people take antidepressants that get on the show anti anxiety.

889
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: And that's why I left. This is not real things

890
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: that are going on in my life. And I'm so

891
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: much healthier. I like, it's just I look different.

892
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: It's just different. It's so interesting.

893
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: That's so interesting that I use That's the thing. I mean,

894
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: I sometimes feel like when you said which franchise is, Like,

895
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: I got to the point where I couldn't watch Real

896
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: Housewives of Salt Lake City because I was like, but

897
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: this is this is this is really somebody's like this

898
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: is I got I couldn't you're watching cut like because

899
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: then it gets tricky when people the families get involved,

900
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: and there's like that part of it where you're like

901
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 3: real stakes. This is like brothers and sisters or cousins

902
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: or people are going to jail.

903
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: You're just growing dark. When it gets dark, people want out.

904
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: And also when I'm like giving.

905
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: A boat, they're just shitting. That's all I want, Yeah, exactly,

906
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: and they live when people love to love them, it's great.

907
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: When people love to hate them, it's great. When people

908
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: hate to hate them, it's bad. That's when someone gets fired.

909
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: That's when a show doesn't do well. If you're feeling

910
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: bad at how you're feel like you hate to hate,

911
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: then it's bad. Like you're like that person makes me

912
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: feel gross. That situation is making me feel gross. That's

913
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: when that's what you're describing, Like, that's when it's dark.

914
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: All right.

915
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: So Drinda describes a pink cloud. I've never heard that

916
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: before and I like that.

917
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: That's I wrote that chund too.

918
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: It's for something. Yeah, it is a good it's a

919
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: good name for something, like a brand or something.

920
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: It feels like there could be he is it an

921
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: alcohol brand? I don't know.

922
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's cute. It's cute.

923
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: It's it's a cute like a wine or a rose

924
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: or something that's like something you know.

925
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a brand name. It's a very and you

926
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: can brand it. Yes.

927
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: And I do shop and buy and spend more than

928
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: any of the housewives, but I don't talk about it

929
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: as like an activity all the time. It became something

930
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: when you'd hear it, you'd be like, okay, let's talk

931
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: more about I got them. That's so cute, and we'die,

932
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, so that's what that that's what that is.

933
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: But how many hats did you buy on that fucking trip?

934
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: Because you bought a lot of hats and they were

935
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: on your bed And I screamed at the Remember when

936
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: I originally watched it, I screamed at my like probably

937
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: my television. And I felt the inclination today when I

938
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: saw it. It was like, get your hats off your bed.

939
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: It's bad.

940
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought that was just oh fair, I thought

941
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: that was just bags, okay, shoes, No, No, it's just hats. No,

942
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: oh okay, Well then I've fucked a lot of my

943
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: life up.

944
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

945
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: So I am a hat person. I have many, many hats.

946
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: I wear many hats hat but I can destroy some,

947
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: like I'll fold the back up when I'm on allown

948
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: share of the beach.

949
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 2: I'll wear it on a boat. I'll get it wet.

950
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: So I go through them if I don't really if

951
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: I buy one that's really expensive, then I really like

952
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: cherish it. Like I own two air Mes hats, and

953
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: that's like then it's like I'm precious about it. But

954
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: I love hats and I buy hats. Also, I shop

955
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot on vacation. Like I don't shop. I don't

956
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: go shopping as a person.

957
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

958
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: I'll shop online a little, and I've stopped that because

959
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't like to have all this stuff and I

960
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: like to get rid of stuff. Yeah, but like Paul

961
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: and I are going to the South of France this

962
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: summer and we're already talking about like that will be

963
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: a place that will.

964
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: Buy I'll buy a piece of jewelry. I'll buy a serious.

965
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: Bag, and I forgot what the other thing was and

966
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: like that and probably like something really nice. It's clothing,

967
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 1: but I'll come home and it'll be a hit, It'll

968
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: be a serious hit.

969
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: So I shop on vacation.

970
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: Also in the south of France are all these markets

971
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: that are just like incredible, yes it's incredible, nuggets of

972
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: things to buy for your kitchen and for this like

973
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: that's really my I bought a great Red. It wasn't

974
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: even like the most expensive bag, but it was just

975
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: this great Red like side simple bag that you can.

976
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: I love these markets, so all right, So we did

977
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: the both then, but we didn't really do the island thing,

978
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: which is telling because sometimes you need to, like I will,

979
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: like yesterday Paul and I were in the house and

980
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: we just we get I call it stale. We get

981
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: stale because we're homebodies. We never go anywhere, and we

982
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: never do anything. There's no reason what do we do.

983
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: Like I don't need to go to a museum really

984
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: that often, and I don't need sometimes I don't want

985
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: to go to a restaurant.

986
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: I know it sounds crazy. And sometimes you not.

987
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Go to a museum because people are gonna.

988
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: No, I'm not like McDon no.

989
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying like we would go to a museum, and

990
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: that would be a nice thing to do, so we

991
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: can jack a box and say we did something and

992
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: we'd like to look at the art and we could go.

993
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: To a gallery.

994
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: But I feel like often people go places where they're

995
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: going to like transact and buy things and I don't.

996
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: I just I've been on a thing where I don't

997
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: want to go like walk round, walk the avenue or

998
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: go because then.

999
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna end up. I just don't want a window show.

1000
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: I can't explain it.

1001
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: I like so much like you wouldn't go Like this Thursday,

1002
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to to go see the Georgia o'keef

1003
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: a moment you wouldn't do that.

1004
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: I would go if you said would go, but yes,

1005
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: but I sometimes have a hard work that goes in

1006
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: to see the avenar.

1007
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: I would, but I have a hard time going. I

1008
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: know it sounds crazy.

1009
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm like the I think it's like PTSD from this

1010
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: from being on the show. I think it's also like

1011
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 3: I think that when you go on the street, people

1012
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: are like, there's company, there's company. I think that you

1013
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: are very recognizable. Nobody knows who I am. I was

1014
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: out yesterday with a very good friend of mine who

1015
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: is very famous and on a very famous TV like

1016
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 3: he is in the zeitgeist right now. And I have

1017
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: known him a long time. And we were with his

1018
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: brother and sister and me and Sammy and I was

1019
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: watching the difference of him being watched. And we were

1020
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: supposed to go see a play and then we missed

1021
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: the play because traffic was terrible in New York yesterday,

1022
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: And then we went to Joe Allen and then we

1023
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: came to my neighborhood and we were walking around in

1024
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: my neighborhood and went to go look at his We

1025
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: were just sort of on the street a bunch. Yeah,

1026
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: I could see people if like we had to keep

1027
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: moving because if we stalled, of course on and so

1028
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: I thought, I think a little bit, this is me

1029
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: psychoanalyzing you. But I think that maybe that could be

1030
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: because I feel like if you stop, people feel like

1031
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: they know you, they feel like who you are? They

1032
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: they they I'm was was your thing with your with

1033
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: the boyfriend when he passed? Was that on the show?

1034
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: Was that talking beyond?

1035
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: And it was very very public, Yeah, very.

1036
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 3: So then that was like they're invested in that, and

1037
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: and I think that, like you're not. I think that

1038
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: it's just that's like the the blight of reality television.

1039
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: I think it was the perfect storm because when I

1040
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: was younger in the city, I would go to Starbucks

1041
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: in pajamas and I would have anxiety. If I had plans,

1042
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: I'd try to find a way to cancel the plans,

1043
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: like if I had someplace I had to really go to,

1044
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: something like the Kentucky Derby or something, I could like

1045
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: gear up and get myself like I'm gonna do that

1046
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: thing because it's a bigger thing. But the little things,

1047
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: the day to day and the dinners and the things,

1048
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: they've always felt weird and useless to me and pointless.

1049
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't understand my relationship with like the outside,

1050
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: which is why the Housewise was in one way good

1051
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: for me, because it made me put on clothes and

1052
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: put on makeup and like pretend I had something to

1053
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: do even if I'm busy and work the pandemic. So

1054
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: there then add fame it And I've never thought that

1055
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: I was well known ever, And that's not a bit,

1056
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: it's a true thing. I still walk out when I

1057
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: go and I forget, so when people come I love,

1058
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: it reminds me that like, oh god, I can't just

1059
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: like say and do, and so that puts a guard up.

1060
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Then the pandemic gave me the excuse to be who

1061
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: i'd innately am, and I leaned in for two years,

1062
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: getting to like never leave the house because you didn't

1063
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: need to. You could order from instacart, you could get

1064
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: your nail. So it's all converged, and my relationship to

1065
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: the outside and to going places has changed. I'm in

1066
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: a relationship with someone who also is not very social,

1067
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: but he's out during the day, going to the office,

1068
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: getting the clothes on, doing that, and I don't do that.

1069
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: So at night he's not one who's like running to

1070
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: go out. So all of this converged into this insular person.

1071
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: Can I also can I just add onto that and

1072
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: say that. I also think, again and again I watch

1073
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: these shows because I find them like character studies. I

1074
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: think you are very transparent, as on these shows, you're

1075
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: very transparent you and you're funny, and so you have

1076
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: these youth are fucking funny and you have like in

1077
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 3: your fast lightning fast. But because you're so transparent and

1078
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: you have your feelings. I think it makes you very

1079
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: relatable so that people.

1080
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm actually you know you yeah, you know.

1081
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: I mean I watched it. I saw like when you

1082
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 3: got married to the guy, and then I remember seeing

1083
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: that you got divorced, and it was like, oh god,

1084
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: and I'm divorced. I was like, if that, if my

1085
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: divorce was ever that, I really I said the same

1086
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: thing with Sonia. It was like her losing her house

1087
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: and that I was like, oh god, we're it's I know,

1088
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 3: it makes for great television, and I know everybody signed

1089
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: up for it. I know everybody signed up for it

1090
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: and they're getting paid for it, and I just but

1091
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: there is a moment where it feels, you know, it's

1092
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 3: like when when you walked in when that person sent

1093
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: you that picture. I know we're sidetracking from the episode,

1094
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: but when you walked in, you would you and Luanne

1095
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: sometimes went to loggerheads. But when you got the photo

1096
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: of that that oh and you were like yeah, and

1097
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: you saw him kissing somebody and you had to go in,

1098
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 3: it was like, first off, it was the craziest piece

1099
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: of television. That That's how it all. It's like, it's

1100
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: kind of like that affair that the people had on

1101
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 3: vander Pump Rules. It's like, you're going to sleep with

1102
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: a girl in your own friend group and you don't

1103
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: think it's going to come out. You're on a reality

1104
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: television show. Like from that moment I was watching, I

1105
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 3: was like, this is crazy. You have to go in

1106
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 3: and say to somebody while cameras are rolling your husband

1107
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: who you're or this guy you're about to marry that

1108
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 3: you're so in love with he was kissing.

1109
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: And there were honest though I don't I'm not her

1110
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: best friend and I do not want to show with

1111
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: her like I don't really care, Like I care, but

1112
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't really care, but I have to care, but

1113
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: I have.

1114
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you did good girl code there you were like

1115
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 3: I would want to know. But the way that you again,

1116
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: I goes back to that moment between you and LeeAnne.

1117
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: I felt for her.

1118
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: She was like, Bethany, don't say like you could see.

1119
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a requiz again, it was a real moment.

1120
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, the act was like it was an incredible moment

1121
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: and it was really meaningful because I the whole everybody

1122
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: knows that you guys aren't like the chiniest drums, right,

1123
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: but like that you had to be the person so.

1124
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: And I did feel for her no matter what. Yeah

1125
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: you did.

1126
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: But I think that's like the thing with going out

1127
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 3: probably is it can be I'm right now and like

1128
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: a kick right now. It's like as corny as it sounds, like,

1129
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: I want people like I'm going to movies all the time,

1130
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: like I want I hope people go see like this

1131
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: movie about my father. I want them to go see

1132
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: it because A I really love the movie, which I

1133
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: never say about a movie I've done. I usually am

1134
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: like eh, but.

1135
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: I love it.

1136
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: But I want people to be like out and invested.

1137
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: And yes, I think we've spent so much time hold

1138
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: up in our apartment that I don't think it's healthy.

1139
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: I think it's healthy, not healthy.

1140
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: This is not healthy. The way that I live is

1141
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: not I know it's not and I think about it.

1142
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: But I'm saying I get to go because it gives

1143
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: me a reason to get up and like wash my hair,

1144
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: be a person.

1145
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: So okay, So the only last thing.

1146
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about was I loved when I

1147
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: will say that I loved that island that we went to,

1148
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: and I loved when Tinsley got into water and with

1149
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: her hair like that was a big, big season moment.

1150
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: We swam and we felt free and Tinsley was in

1151
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: the water. That was like the highlight of the trip.

1152
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: And I like Tinsley. I have to say that I

1153
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: like Tinsley a lot.

1154
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 3: Oh I think that she I like that she is

1155
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 3: what she is. She's unapologetic about it. Just sometimes I

1156
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 3: just don't understand like a life of just being a whyfy.

1157
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: But I also said yes, but I also admire the

1158
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: fact that she says it. It's just like it's it's

1159
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: so not. But I had something, wait, hold on, fucking

1160
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: Sonya said something. She goes she was a little lit,

1161
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: I think, but she goes, the market's down, but I'm

1162
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: up today.

1163
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: That's a great line. She has some good line. That's

1164
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: a great line.

1165
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 3: Get the market's down, but I up today.

1166
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.

1167
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: Walking around the island and she had why are we

1168
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 3: not discussing this, Bethany Frankel, let's here she you were

1169
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: in the water, She's gonna get in the water.

1170
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: Oh the tags she had and she pulled her thing.

1171
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: Down and was like, have the tag on her bathing suit?

1172
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: So that she could return it.

1173
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh well that's a fact, that's a fact. No, not

1174
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: return it, No, because she has that too. Sell it.

1175
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: Some is returns because if it was like a gown,

1176
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: she'd return it would is what you did for prom

1177
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: I guess when people do like tweet to return it?

1178
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: But what are we doing with Sonya's busted up vagina bikini?

1179
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: But what I love about her is she again? I

1180
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 3: mean this is because I like it. This is the

1181
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: one thing I do envy all of those people when

1182
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: I watched that show. They're unapologetic about who they are.

1183
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: They're like, no, not all, not all, Yes, Sonya, yes

1184
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: what you said about Timsley not Whaley.

1185
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 3: Wanne is a little bit. I feel like she owns she's.

1186
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: Not apologetic, but she's not truthful.

1187
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: So she's unapologetic about getting caught about who she really is,

1188
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: but she's never she's not unapologetic about who she really

1189
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: is because we don't really see who she really is.

1190
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: Carols similarly, but Sonya is unapologetic about being a mess.

1191
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: She's leaning in to the Ramona seems unapologetic that.

1192
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean certainly no, Sonya Ramote is very apologetic in

1193
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: an insincere manner.

1194
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: Also too, when they're getting in. This is so funny.

1195
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: I mean when Ramona didn't Romota hurt like broke her

1196
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: foot or sprained her ankle.

1197
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: It seemed like fake news half the time.

1198
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's getting in and there's's like a moment.

1199
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: This is like the thing that brings me back to

1200
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: the show of like Luanne's like, you guys found like

1201
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: there's something the crab and you're like, let's scare Ramona Tony.

1202
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 3: It was such a again, like but that felt authentic.

1203
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 3: It felt like girlfriend's like, hold on, we're going to

1204
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: do this. And then Leuyne gets in the in the

1205
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: hammot Now Ramona has this fucked bankle She's walking around

1206
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: with like a ziploc bag full of ice, which is

1207
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 3: already my four again. I want to steal that because that,

1208
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: to me is just a character moment. Yeah, it's a

1209
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 3: great character Yeah. And she's about to get in. I'm like,

1210
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: you have a sprain day, claud I don't know how

1211
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: you're getting in that hammock. And she looks at somebody

1212
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: and she goes hold my eyes. And there's just funny

1213
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: to have to make a staff member.

1214
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: Do you have a notebook for these character moments.

1215
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: I keep things like my brain is it's somehow I

1216
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: need to.

1217
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: Have a Housewives character moment, no book.

1218
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what, somehow I remember, like when I

1219
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: start working on something, it is filed away in my brain.

1220
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: Like, but it's funny that you say that about the

1221
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: hammock and the crab because it's a girlfriend moment, but

1222
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: it's also a wink to.

1223
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: The audience, like this is the Mormona moment we need,

1224
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: like we all know.

1225
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: This person and that she's a train wreck and that

1226
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: she's carrying chicken in her purse at the reunion, which

1227
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: I called out, and she's got extensions down to her

1228
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: vagina that are weaving in with her bush, and that

1229
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: she's got a fake wheelchair when she needs it.

1230
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: But it's also what I feel like we needed in

1231
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: that episode Begause, Yes, you guys at the house at

1232
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: that breakfast was it was, and but we're also forgetting

1233
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: that the episode before was equally like bonkered and really natural.

1234
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: Then also, I said I wrote this down, the silence

1235
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: between Carol and Bethany was deafening. Ah, when you guys

1236
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: were eating just just you guys, just sitting there like

1237
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: not a word. But again, it sort of broke my heart.

1238
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 3: I was like two people who again going back to

1239
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: a dissolution of a friendship that like we saw you

1240
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: guys like in the Hamptons and and you guys off

1241
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: when the cameras weren't rolling, went on vacation together. It's

1242
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had friendships break up and it's it's

1243
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: it's it's not like you can have these deep to anytime.

1244
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: It's like a deep relationship and then it just splits

1245
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: apart and something happens, you know, it's the season or

1246
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: what is it in our lifetime or whatever it is.

1247
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: It's brutal because I don't know about you, but like

1248
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: my girlfriends. I love Sam, but I need my girlfriends.

1249
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: I have to have to have those female relationships because

1250
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: they keep me afloat.

1251
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it's very I haven't really. The

1252
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: only person I really went into this with is Elizabeth

1253
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Moss about that actresses do you understand? First of all,

1254
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: there are a lot of actresses on the house. Was

1255
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: not in New York, but I'm Beverly Hills. But actresses

1256
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: understand this show in a different way because you've got

1257
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: to get into this character and it has to be real,

1258
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: so you understand what it feels like to have a

1259
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: deafening silence in a scene. And sometimes I bet even

1260
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: as an actor, you don't trust the moment, like is

1261
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: this too long?

1262
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: Is this too long?

1263
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: It feels weird, like you might get into your head

1264
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: or something. It's like that you're sitting there and it's

1265
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: just so long and weird, and like you anxiety about

1266
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: things like that are happening and the way things will

1267
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: be portrayed. And I imagine actresses go through that too

1268
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: in a different way.

1269
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think like you know, you get on a

1270
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: set and you're gonna you're gonna make a choice. You're

1271
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: gonna do something, and it's about being vulnerable. I'm gonna

1272
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: make a choice. I'm gonna do this thing, and either

1273
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: is the director going to be like what are you doing? Right?

1274
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,959
Speaker 3: And that is like so sometimes like you know that's

1275
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: that you have to risk it because and sometimes they

1276
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: will do that, but then you have to be like,

1277
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this for you. And if and if

1278
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: they do sort of you know, dance on your instinct,

1279
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: you have to remember that's their bullshit. Because a good

1280
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: director will trust that, Like you're trying to carve out somebody's.

1281
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not because they're a person both, Like I'm

1282
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: a person sitting here, and there are ten ways that

1283
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: I can react to what Carol's saying, even in a

1284
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: cocktail party where no one's filming there, I can say

1285
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: to somebody who says something to me, that's a fucked

1286
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: up thing to say. Or I can hold my breath,

1287
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: or I can You have all these choices.

1288
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: By the way, the silence is way more fucking interesting, right,

1289
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: But because it's more upsetting, it's because there's but it's.

1290
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: Still a choice, and the other one could be upsetting too,

1291
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. It's the same experience where I

1292
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Speaker 1: remember that one of the EPs of my talk show,

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Speaker 1: who produced Ellen for thirty years or I mean for

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Speaker 1: what however many years she was on, twenty years, ten years,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he said, if.

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Speaker 2: You have the feeling, you gotta go with it.

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Speaker 1: So like, instinctively, in the moment, you may feel this

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Speaker 1: is a suffocating time, and I feel uncomfortable and awkward,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna live in it and breathe and

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Speaker 1: I watch it come out of the oven on TV,

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Speaker 1: and it's different than how it felt terrible years ago

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Speaker 1: when my boyfriend was saying I was saying, can we

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Speaker 1: we're gonna live together?

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Speaker 2: And he was like, we'll talk about it later. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, but do you want to live together?

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Speaker 1: Because I was trying to like close the just do

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Speaker 1: something for the audience, and he was like, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about it later.

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Speaker 2: And I felt so uncomfortable and awkward.

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Speaker 1: And when it came out of the oven, people thought

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Speaker 1: I was so vulnerable because it was honest, it was

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Speaker 1: what was going on.

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Speaker 2: But I felt like a loser. I felt like a loser,

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Speaker 2: but they thought I was a winner.

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Speaker 3: Of course, but that's you did win because women were

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Speaker 3: able to relate to that because we've all had that conversation, right.

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Speaker 1: But I was an I just couldn't get there. I

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Speaker 1: was so I was so self conscious and so it

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Speaker 1: was a truthful thing that was happening, but it was

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Speaker 1: being received on the other side of that truth. I

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Speaker 1: just it's the choice that I made rather than just

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Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, it's so fine, let's dance,

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Speaker 1: like I made a choice. I could have chosen to dance.

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Speaker 3: Also too, I feel like as an actor. When I

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Speaker 3: do something, I'll make a choice to do one where

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Speaker 3: it's the deafening silence and then when they go take

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Speaker 3: we get take one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we don't get that as one take, so

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Speaker 2: you don't get that, but like.

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Speaker 3: We get another chance to go, let's try it. It

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Speaker 3: is for the reality, and so I think that's why

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Speaker 3: actresses love watching it. Like I mean, we sit like

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Speaker 3: I just did this show. It was me and Kristin

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01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 3: wigg and Alice and Janney and we were wrapped talking

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Speaker 3: about the houses. I feel like there's something this. I

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Speaker 3: think we just relate to it. I think it's what

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Speaker 3: you were saying about Elizabeth Lawson, like that there's there's

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Speaker 3: something maybe because we feel like we get watched when

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Speaker 3: like when you see you know what I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: maybe something that like.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, because Elizabeth said, you get home from a scene.

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Speaker 1: She said, you there's a scene that actually was in

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01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: your head that you plan to do the scene you did,

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01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: and then like there's some other scenario, Like there's three scenarios.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a city that then you play back in

1346
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: your head where you're like I should have done this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so that's one, and then there's the one that

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Speaker 1: actually happened, and then there's somebody that.

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Speaker 3: Wants to stand on no, the one that, oh, like

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01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: you rehearsed and are like, this is what I think

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01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: is going to happen because I feel like, as an actor,

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Speaker 3: you have this article.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, the actuality and the regret and the they same.

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01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: So that's what Housewives is like too. You get out

1355
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: of them and you're like, wait, oh my god, I

1356
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: could have. So it's not that different, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, It's not that different in that way. That's

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: why I think it was a fast You should listen

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01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: to the one with Elizabeth Moss. She's a big fan

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01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: of the podcast, and I guess of mine. I love

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: her and the way she broke it down, it was

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Speaker 1: really it was interesting. And we've made a lot of analogy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I like talking to I like talking to comedians,

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Speaker 1: but I like talking to actresses a lot. Wow, you

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Speaker 1: were We have a new like housewives therapist therapist, a

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Speaker 1: rewives therapist. We have a new in house I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm doctor like Oprah and I've found doctor Phil.

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Speaker 1: We have like, we have an in house therapist now,

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Speaker 1: so this is amazing.

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Speaker 3: I thank you for being vulnerable, and and I you know,

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Speaker 3: everyone can be. So it's hard what you guys have,

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Speaker 3: what you did, what people are doing. I just did

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Speaker 3: watch What Happens Live and Teresa, who's on the House

1375
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: the New Jersey was there and he and you know,

1376
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: her fiances and the audience and then you're watching the

1377
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 3: the sort of the demise of her relationship with her

1378
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: brother on television, and it was it's really intense. She

1379
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: couldn't have been sweeter. It's like you think you know everybody,

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01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: but you don't know who they are.

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Speaker 1: No, you put them, you put your you put your

1382
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: sweet dog in a in a pen with four other dogs.

1383
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Speaker 1: Is today we are breaking it down in a way

1384
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: that's more not just clickbait and salacious. We're talking about

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: human interaction and people and dynamics. And that's why I

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: did the show, because I didn't want to do a

1387
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: rewatch just trashing people and rehashing. I wanted to talk

1388
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: about human behavior and the psychology of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I thought I would make good out

1390
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: of something that can be not great. So today I

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: don't think we're doing that that makes it like sociology,

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01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: you know versus just like let's just talk bad about

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: somebody for no reason.

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Speaker 3: That's true, you don't. I never want to feel like

1395
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: because I I don't know what it's like. I don't

1396
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 3: put myself. But I also think that everybody signs.

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Speaker 2: Up for it like they do.

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01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: What we're talking about a medium. We're talking about a medium.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about interaction dynamics. That's why it's different.

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Speaker 2: You think it's.

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: Changed over time? Do you think totally became what it

1402
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: was when it first began? And then I also think

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01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 3: with you too, becony. People saw you as this like

1404
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 3: young girl who was a chef who had like who

1405
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 3: was industrious and like hungry and had hustle, and you

1406
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 3: were like you made an empire. It's really it's well,

1407
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: it's foul, dude. It's thank you cool, You're thank you.

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Speaker 3: They came with me and to your answer your question,

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: I walked into something that was unknown. So what's the

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Speaker 3: has SNL changed in the first season, like after twenty

1411
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: five years? So so the first season was me and

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01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: my own clothing and my own sweater and in my

1413
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: studio apartment with Ikea, which they would never have cast me.

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Speaker 1: Now, because you don't have to be rich. You just

1415
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: have to appear rich. So that girl would never have

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01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: been cast. And I didn't have like fake rented cars

1417
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: and fake marriages and all this stuff. I was just

1418
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,479
Speaker 1: a girl in a studio apartment. And I also didn't

1419
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: know what I was walking into. So now all these

1420
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: years later, you want to be cast. You're studying the medium,

1421
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: You're throwing your leg on a dance for you're ripping

1422
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: someone's weave off your flipp You're doing something because you've

1423
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: seen crazy shit happen, and you have to top that.

1424
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: It's not Kelly and I having and I'm up here,

1425
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: you're down there. Conversation is not going to rate the

1426
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: same way today, even though it was psychologically fascinating, it's

1427
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: not the same because the game has changed. Everybody has

1428
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: a preconceived notion. There's Twitter, there's Instagram, there's reunions with

1429
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: gom with the wind outfits. It's not even remotely the same.

1430
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: I would never walk into it now, that would not.

1431
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean I would because I'd need the money, but

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: it's not for me now, all right. I had the

1433
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: best time, what a rollercoaster of the boat of the

1434
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: dog of the life partner like this is a pine.

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Speaker 3: I love that you didn't know that, Like you were

1436
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: like when sam Pop is hit and you were like,

1437
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 3: that was a great moment. That was like a free

1438
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: moment of a surprise.

1439
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: You were like, well, and you know, I wasn't wanting

1440
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: to know the end because I just wanted the guy,

1441
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: whoever the guy was.

1442
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 2: And then I was like, wait, I know you and

1443
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 2: he was like I know you? So now, yeah, amazing.

1444
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: I love that you were like do you know me?

1445
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: And I was like he does it? Well, you know why.

1446
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: You know why he knows you because he'd walk in

1447
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 3: and he would see me watch it and if you can.

1448
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: I know you hate to go to movies, but go

1449
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 3: see this movie.

1450
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: And yes, I was supposed to be at the premiere

1451
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: and I think something came up and it was too

1452
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: much to.

1453
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: Do in that one day.

1454
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: But I was that you didn't want to leave your house.

1455
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: No, there was actually another thing.

1456
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: I had to leave the next day and go away,

1457
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, that was a reason to

1458
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 1: leave because I was gonna get dressed up on the

1459
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: cute and like see you in Sebastian.

1460
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: And Robert DeNiro. That was a reason to go. But

1461
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Speaker 2: I didn't get to go.

1462
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 3: Bob is really incredible in the movie. And Kim Contrell

1463
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 3: plays my mom like.

1464
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: And she's amazing in tracks. That's cool.

1465
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 3: That's Petrel And David Rashie plays my dad and he's

1466
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 3: on succession and what you guys see on Succession he's Carl.

1467
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 3: He's the blonde with the glasses, sort of bumbling who's

1468
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: like trying to vibe.

1469
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I love him. He's great.

1470
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the show is outrageous, awesome. Okay, I'm

1471
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: going to see it.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: Congratulations, you're the best and loved your family and your animal.

1474
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 3: Thanks for being nice about it, of course, of course,

1475
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 3: have a great Okay, by love, bye bye.

1476
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 2: That was an amazing conversation.

1477
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: And actresses are really great people to talk to about

1478
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: this just because you're in the moment, you're in a scene,

1479
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: it's emotional.

1480
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: How do you react? Is it real?

1481
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: Is it not? Like?

1482
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 2: It's wild?

1483
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: And she was unbelievable, and we got like a cameo

1484
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: from Sam Rockwell, the amazing and interesting actor that I

1485
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: had no idea they were in a relationship for sixteen years,

1486
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: feels like a substantial relationship.

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Speaker 2: And the dog and a lot went on really interesting,