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Speaker 1: Nathaniel Newton Junior. How you doing tonight, Nathaniel Drew huh

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Speaker 1: joined by Will Chambers. Great to be here, Nate. It

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Speaker 1: has been a while a pleasure to share the air

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Speaker 1: with you once again, my friend, and we are joined

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Speaker 1: by very special guests, none other than under under the

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Speaker 1: have this lovely s WBC Mortget sign to me behind me. Virtually,

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Speaker 1: we will introduce him as super Bowl thirty MVP and

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Speaker 1: affectionately affectionately almost said a bad word. Yeah, affectionately known

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Speaker 1: by Nate Newton as LB Nate. Would you like to

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Speaker 1: take this away? No, man, I'm just glad to be it.

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Speaker 1: It'll be always me money for nique? Did he went

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Speaker 1: be called me as two things happening? Well, it used

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Speaker 1: rid of the first one, but the second one about

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Speaker 1: that money, Yeah money. Larry Brown, Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: Larry How I'm glad to be here, and I'm behind

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Speaker 1: my stairs because I'm in my office. My wife is

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Speaker 1: in my shelves and and all that stuff. So she

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Speaker 1: turned my death facing this one. So don't saying is

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Speaker 1: you don't put baby in the corner. But I guess

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Speaker 1: you can put Larry in the corner. Huh. Absolutely, So

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Speaker 1: before we get into the show, when we talk about

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Speaker 1: these current cowboys, Larry, what have you been up to

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Speaker 1: these days, where are you living and what's going on

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Speaker 1: in your personal life? Believe it or not, my life

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Speaker 1: is pretty consistent. I've been in the same house for

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Speaker 1: thirty years. I've been with the same w for thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and I've been doing the same thing for thirty years. So, um,

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Speaker 1: a little radio that's it, you know, making a scrapping here,

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Speaker 1: do a little radio TV here in their appearances, things

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Speaker 1: like that. When I hand and my wife and I

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Speaker 1: owed some real estate, so I managed those. And my

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Speaker 1: son's playing college ball. So where wasn't and well he

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Speaker 1: was at and in the last two years he said

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Speaker 1: be at. So been That's what I've been doing. What

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Speaker 1: And that's the Super Bowl. Yeah, I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: there was one game he hadn't. I didn't use my hands.

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Speaker 1: I told you, I give people. I give Michael Irvin

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Speaker 1: you go, there you go, before we get into before

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Speaker 1: me off the air about the Hoopsters back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me what the hoopsters were. Well, here's the

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Speaker 1: me on this. The original Hoopster started with Drew and

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Speaker 1: Mike didn't believe in free agency. He wasn't paying out,

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Speaker 1: He was a pastor Monty Monty had pastor Dave was wanted.

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Speaker 1: Now let me tell you the bad part about the hoot.

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Speaker 1: You got guys like Nat and Eric Williams that want

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Speaker 1: I want to see the handles. All this talk about that,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see you up at the one those handles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mike had a slight advantage because extra activities came with Mike,

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Speaker 1: Get your opinion, Nate. You can time in Larry. What

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Speaker 1: Is it by being a Dallas cowboy or is it

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Speaker 1: by what you actually put on tape. That's two very

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Speaker 1: for that defense. Ye this YO show, Larry, were just

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Speaker 1: back to the show. He said, not much has changed,

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Speaker 1: don't believe in taking I believe you get it done.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Nate and Larry on this too,

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Speaker 1: because you played on teams when you have guys on

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Speaker 1: there that absolutely hate losing, that they there's nothing more

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Speaker 1: that they hate than losing. And there is enough talent

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Speaker 1: on this team as it is constructed right now to

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Speaker 1: win offensively and if you have correct but and there,

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Speaker 1: but there are guys defensively that are going to be

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Speaker 1: on the team next year, they're not moving all of

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Speaker 1: them out. And so if you're playing these last three games,

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Speaker 1: in order for you to go from say Larry as

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Speaker 1: seven and nineteen, you got to have those guys that

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Speaker 1: hate to lose. Can those guys be that the last

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Speaker 1: three games and to do enough to get you to win?

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Speaker 1: Those are the teams like the Seattle Seahawks that went

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Speaker 1: seven and nine and then went to a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: like the Carolina Panthers that went seven and nine that

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Speaker 1: went to a super Bowl. Because if you don't have

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Speaker 1: those guys, and that's what I think, that what I'm

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Speaker 1: asking you is that you had those players. And that's

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Speaker 1: what the Cowboys hope to have right now in that

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Speaker 1: locker room. And more importantly, coach Johnson created a a

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Speaker 1: level of competition where there's consequences for not doing your job.

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Speaker 1: I understand, guy's got these contracts now, but hey, you

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Speaker 1: cannot let a guy who's not getting it done hold

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Speaker 1: you hostage if you're not will to make a change

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Speaker 1: or set a guy down. And I give the great program.

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Speaker 1: I'll give Seattle example, they gave Backflint a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Russell Woodson came in, was getting it done. They didn't

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Speaker 1: care about the fifteen million they gave him. He's the guy.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, they've been in a few Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: because of it. So there has to be accountability, period,

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Speaker 1: across the board. If Larry Brown's not getting it done,

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Speaker 1: and let me tell this, and Nate knows this, I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to be in the guy in my huddle

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Speaker 1: not getting my job done and have to look at

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Speaker 1: Charles Haley and Darren Woodson and Leon Lett and all

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Speaker 1: these other guys. You don't want to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have a sense of pride about yourself

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Speaker 1: and what you're gonna do. Or look at Dion, you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: I remember a guy caught Da Paul or d I

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Speaker 1: want time? Was, hey, you need me to cover? He say,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about the next way. I thought I gonna

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Speaker 1: pick it off and take you to the house. He

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Speaker 1: meant it, and that's exactly what he did. But we

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Speaker 1: could have those conversations. It was honest, Nate, those guys

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Speaker 1: and say LB, let's go make a play. You know.

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Speaker 1: So it was everybody. And if you don't create the

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Speaker 1: culture of accountability, there's no way you're gonna be a

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Speaker 1: great football team and they got accountable. Nate, I know

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Speaker 1: you have a lot to say. I don't know everything

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Speaker 1: needed to be said. That's why I asked you to

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Speaker 1: ask Larry. First. We have to take a break, but

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about building that culture

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Speaker 1: because you were on a bad football team. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Lara was did you get a bad year with a slary?

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Speaker 1: You you a successful about Tell Michael I hadn't won

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl in a while before I got there

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Speaker 1: to hit one wants us all, Yes, sir, they built

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Speaker 1: office around me. There, let's let's take let's let's take

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Speaker 1: our second break. When we come back. I want to

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Speaker 1: get Nate stalled on building culture and building and winning

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Speaker 1: team and will eventually get to Cowboys forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: But first we'll take a break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Radio Network. Behind when to s WBC mortgages Cowboys Cross

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Speaker 1: Talk about broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Back to the show. Unfortunately, we

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Speaker 1: are halfway done, but that means we still have half

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Speaker 1: the show left to talk Cowboys football. Shannon Gross alongside

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Speaker 1: next adventure. I got it virtually right here, see me.

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Speaker 1: I know, Nate, you don't like the spotlight and you're

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Speaker 1: trying to defer to Larry, and we got to incorporate

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Speaker 1: Will into this. But you've been really quiet this show,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to talk about one. You have

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Speaker 1: a question for Larry. But before you asked Larry the question,

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Speaker 1: you were on a bad football team when you got here,

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Speaker 1: two bad football teams. This is the same football team,

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Speaker 1: but it was two years. How did that culture we're

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Speaker 1: talking about culture, how did that culture change from bad

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Speaker 1: to good? And as it was happening, did you realize

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Speaker 1: what was going on or was it just like a

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Speaker 1: light switch? You were like, oh, we're good. No, it

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Speaker 1: was a two or three year period or two year period.

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Speaker 1: But I want to say, Larry, do you remember the

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Speaker 1: story you once told me about coach John Say, you

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Speaker 1: know you're getting ready to go against one of the

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Speaker 1: sharp brothers at Green Bay. Tell us story, tell us shot.

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Speaker 1: We're in the final preseason game. We got to play

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Speaker 1: the Oilers in a running shoot offense with the hey

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Speaker 1: with Jeffreies, Ernest Gibbons, Warren moans the quarterback and the

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Speaker 1: last preseason game. And he walked by my locker and

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Speaker 1: he caught himself, stopped and walked back. He says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a decision on you after this game.

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Speaker 1: And I said, okay. I went out to play like

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Speaker 1: I was scared, and I played. I played my party,

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Speaker 1: my best game of the preseason because I understood what

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Speaker 1: was on the line. And you know, those are the

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Speaker 1: those are the types of things you want to respond.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a pro, this is your dream. Don't

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Speaker 1: do your job, don't do what you're good at, you know.

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Speaker 1: And uh So I went out and I played well.

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Speaker 1: But that's the type of accountability, that's the type of pressure.

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Speaker 1: And I think he wanted to see how I will respond.

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Speaker 1: How many games did you start that year? And I

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Speaker 1: started the second game of my rookie season. So from there,

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Speaker 1: so I started fifteen games as a rookie. So what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is this right here, you ask

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Speaker 1: how you build culture. First of all, you gotta get dogs.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get players that want to be there and

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Speaker 1: have a sense of pride in what they're doing. And

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Speaker 1: I give you, I give you a story. People like

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Speaker 1: when Nate. We always heard about how fat you was

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Speaker 1: doing all season, how you go to the fat farm,

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Speaker 1: and how you do this, and how to and how

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Speaker 1: you do that. But I never lined up and lost

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Speaker 1: many battles because it was a certain thing about once men,

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Speaker 1: you lined up nose and nose, you had to prove

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Speaker 1: that you was better. That's whether I was in shape

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Speaker 1: out of shape, you had to prove that you was better.

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't gonna let you embarrass me in front

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Speaker 1: of my first of all, myself, my teammates and family. Well,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a bunch of guys like that. Now,

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Speaker 1: He'll tell you that, But they don't have and more important,

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Speaker 1: the coaches. I haven't had a chance to bring those

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Speaker 1: type of guys in because what is here, it's not

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Speaker 1: built that way. You have maybe one or two guys

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Speaker 1: that are built that way that will accept that challenge

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Speaker 1: and won't go to the media. Hey man, guess my

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Speaker 1: coach's text to me. Oh man, he gonna gonna he

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Speaker 1: gonna look at me this week. He's looking at you

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Speaker 1: every week. It was never a time that Coach Johnson

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Speaker 1: would pass us in the hall. He didn't have to

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Speaker 1: say a word. His look, the way he looked at

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Speaker 1: you told you how you, how he think you played.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to sell a word. And he always

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Speaker 1: had somebody, especially when you had a bad game. Come

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, Tuesday morning, he always has somebody sitting in

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Speaker 1: your locker, working out in your locker. Hey man, what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. I was with the washing red skin last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm just here working out for the Cowboys. Gotta look

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Speaker 1: like you, built like you, so you know what the

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Speaker 1: question is. Sitting in your locker, sitting in your locker,

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Speaker 1: so you would never relax. And yesterday's society that says that, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got a contract that says I'm gonna be here

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Speaker 1: three or four years. That is fine. But everybody don't

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Speaker 1: have that contract, and you have to be sure the

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Speaker 1: players that you're paying is the right guys. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you about nick news story. I used

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Speaker 1: to hate to see Nate go to the flatform. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you why before went to the flat farm,

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Speaker 1: he gets to that second little about lives. When he

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Speaker 1: came back ready to go, he was out there on corners, Nate,

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Speaker 1: because he was in shape. He was I'm not drop around.

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Speaker 1: He's out there on the corners. When he got back

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Speaker 1: from the fat farm. Why the fat farm? You'll get

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Speaker 1: to the Nate telling me I hate to see on me.

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody, tell everybody what the fat farm is? And

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Speaker 1: how much weight you lost at the fat farm? Isn't married?

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Speaker 1: I went three years, I think, And what is it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: It's a man named Mike Spots who I found out

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Speaker 1: about some other guys to another football player. He would

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Speaker 1: help these guys lose weight quickly. You know, you would eat,

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Speaker 1: but you would eat nothing but just you would be

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Speaker 1: a vegetarian while you out there. So but anyway, you

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Speaker 1: know one year coach Johnson looking like, oh man, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna make it. You just you just

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Speaker 1: you just you're out of shape, you fat. And he

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Speaker 1: didn't say nice something saying you're fat, You're not you

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Speaker 1: just talked to me straight up because he had a

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Speaker 1: relationship like that, and I thought, I want to buy

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Speaker 1: that hum So I jumped in by two, see the

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Speaker 1: bins that I could brawly fit in, and drove the

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Speaker 1: Florida and said, hey, make spots. I need you. Man.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, this is what I charged per hour,

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Speaker 1: charged by day for a week. Half you wonder. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here for a whole month, so you

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Speaker 1: charging whatever you need to charge me. And that that

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Speaker 1: first time I went, I think I lost like forty

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Speaker 1: five fifty pounds like six weeks. The last time I went,

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Speaker 1: I lost like probably about eight ninety in six weeks

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Speaker 1: and six weeks. Yeah, and I'm not drinking. When I

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Speaker 1: called the gay back from the platform and I was like,

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Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, Coach Johnson always looked

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Speaker 1: at were you competitive when you lined up? Were you

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Speaker 1: ready to go? On Sundays? And I remember one time

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Speaker 1: I had a carrect man bumped the head, had a

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Speaker 1: big not on it early in the week, and and

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Speaker 1: to the point where even the players just like that

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Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm and Troy never really talked to you.

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Speaker 1: He just nodded his head and speak to you depending

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Speaker 1: on who you are. And uh, towards the end of

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Speaker 1: the week, you know, I'm the sweating going down. I'm

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Speaker 1: about the kind of moving around practicing a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Troy looked at me. What's up, Troy? I just want

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Speaker 1: to know if you're gonna play this week for you

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Speaker 1: try I'm gonna reading man uh will for you three

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Speaker 1: games left in the season. I think I read a

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Speaker 1: couple of different places that the probability of the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs is around one percent. Obviously they have

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Speaker 1: to win out for that to even be a possibility.

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Speaker 1: What are you looking for in this team these last

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Speaker 1: three weeks going down the stretch? Are you just looking

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Speaker 1: for improvement or are you looking What are you looking

641
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Speaker 1: at when you look at this team? Because I'm not

642
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: sure and I'm trying to. Every week I come in

643
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: here and I ask questions because I want to cling

644
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: onto some hope. And every week I get a little

645
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: bit and in some weeks I get a little more.

646
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: In some weeks I get reset way back to where

647
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: I was. So I'm just wondering this week, what are

648
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: you looking for down the stretch? Some fight playing and simple?

649
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: You know, what do you want? No matter what you

650
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: do as an NFL player? And you know this is

651
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: just some talking head yapping, but Nate and Larry, I'll

652
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: say it. Whatever you do out there, you're putting on film,

653
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: whether you're gonna be a cowboy next year or you're

654
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a Viking or a Bengal or wherever you go.

655
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: So what kind of player or how do you want

656
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: to finish the Yeah, there it's at two percent. But

657
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, I guess Washington has to go. Let me

658
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: look here. If they go two and one, that's it.

659
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: But Washington has Seattle, Carolina and Philadelphia. That's a tough

660
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: two on one right there for Washington. So it's out

661
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: there in front of you. Well, what I want to

662
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: see from these guys is really some pride, and at

663
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: times we've seen it. At times we have it. Where

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00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm wondering. You know, like I said before, I'll give

665
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of leeway because I can empathize with trying

666
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: to do something while thinking your way through it. The

667
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: better you know something, the easier it is for you

668
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: to do because you don't have to think your way

669
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: through it, and especially when you're an athlete. And I

670
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: know that that is a lot about what has gone

671
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: into this team this year and with Mike Nolan and

672
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: the scheme and all of that, and it's different, and

673
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: I get it, but there's still a point where you

674
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: got a fight, and it's been the fight against the

675
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: running game that has lacked and has been quite honestly embarrassing.

676
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: You know, through twelve games, there hasn't been a team

677
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: in NFL history that have given up as many yards

678
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys this year has, or as many per attempt.

679
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: It's just that plane and simple, that bad. And so

680
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: what I want to see out of this team is,

681
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, the things that you do get out of

682
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: a number of guys, but can those guys lead the

683
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: other ones to show that you do have the culture

684
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: that will eventually lead to a championship, Because if you

685
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: don't and you go oh in three or one in two,

686
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: congratulations on your draft pick, you ain't going anywhere next

687
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: year or the year after likely and you can get

688
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: as many picks as you want. You know, the last

689
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: three years, the New England Patriots have twenty nine draft

690
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: picks that they've drafted. That's a team right now that

691
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have very very many good players on it. The

692
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, they've drafted twenty six players in the last

693
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: three years. Not a lot of good players on their

694
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Cincinnati twenty nine. They probably have more talent than the

695
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: other two, not a whole lot. That's a lot of

696
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: draft picks and not a lot of talented players. If

697
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: you want to be a good football team going into

698
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: next year, you better be able to show it in

699
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: these last three games with a lot of fight because

700
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys are probably going to be

701
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: on this team. And if they don't have the fight,

702
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: then you don't have it. You don't have a winning culture,

703
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: and you look at the same garbage next year. We

704
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: hear you, hear a lot about you. Hear the words

705
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: thrown around a lot, fight, pride, you know, not playing

706
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: with heart, things like that, Larry Nate. When we come

707
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: back from break, we're eventually going to talk about Cowboys

708
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. We might not talk about the game

709
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: on Sunday, but we're gonna talk about Cowboys forty nine ers,

710
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: maybe back when the rivalry was huge when you guys played.

711
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: But I want to those words that you were saying,

712
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: will that. I want to get the opinion because if

713
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: you play in the NFL, I would like to think,

714
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: if you have made it that far, you have pride,

715
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you have fight, you have all these things. So I

716
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: want to get y'all's take on you know, what's your

717
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: interpretation of that when you see guys on the field,

718
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: what what what does it mean when they don't play

719
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: with fight? Let's get into that. Let's talk a little

720
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: Cowboys forty nine ers. We're gonna take our last break

721
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: and we'll be back. You're listening to Cowboys Cross Talk

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731
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you have to have pride, you have

732
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: to have fight, don't you. So why why do you

733
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: hear these words thrown around like NFL players don't have

734
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: pride and they're not playing with pride and they're not

735
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: playing with fight. Why do you hear that so much

736
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: when a team is bad? Well, I think when we

737
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: started the conversation, I said all of the above. You

738
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: do need fight, you do need pride, but you also

739
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: need to talf Okay, so you know, at the end

740
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: of the day, you know you have the ability to

741
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: do it. And I have a different ideology about building

742
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: the team. I want to win, but I also got

743
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: to find out what we need to win. There's a

744
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: reason why bad teams are bad. There's a reason why

745
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: good teams are good. So we have not been the

746
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: type of team we wanted to be this year in

747
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: a few previous years. But you know, we have to

748
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: answer those questions. Do we need a d linement, do

749
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: we need a safety? What is it that we need

750
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: in addition to pride and fight? I agree with that

751
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: you need all that. Do we have the talent, do

752
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: we have the skill level to get us there, and

753
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: I think those are bigger questions. It's not just about

754
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: winning a game. To me, my goal as a fan

755
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: and I bleed blue, is how do we get back

756
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: to being a legitimate contender every year and that encompass

757
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: a bigger picture other than just one game or one player.

758
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: How do we do we need personnel? Why? How do

759
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: we get back to that? How do we get back?

760
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: How do we get back to that? Natelayers you're here,

761
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: Me said at the end of the day, always you

762
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: need players, You need players, and Will men and him

763
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: talked about it off. Ever, Men Men, Shanna, you gonna

764
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: have to go out and get some players. If you

765
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: don't go out and get some players, you're gonna be

766
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: in the same boat you are again. And you can't

767
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: get rid of everybody. So you either go out and

768
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: you find the best possible pick. And I ain't saying

769
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: over pick, you know, but everybody's a move down, moved down,

770
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: moved down. Well, if you stay where you at and

771
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: get the best possible defensive player where you're at, unless

772
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: he don't, let's ee, five or six players down on

773
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: your board, and then you have to move down but

774
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: you would. You're drafted the best in the first round,

775
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: a shot at the best in the first round, a

776
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: shot at the best in the second round, third, on,

777
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: on and on. Go find the best defensive players you

778
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: can play, I mean confined, and if you don't, okay,

779
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: you gave it a great shot. Because our only issue

780
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: is defense now around here. For the last six years,

781
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: I've been like, okay, y'all, we're don't talking about defense.

782
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: Six months, it's two weeks before the draft, and all

783
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody board get filled up with offensive players,

784
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: including the national guys. Let's see what happened this year.

785
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: Let's see what happened this year. Well, let me let

786
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: me ask you guys something. What do you think the

787
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: difference is. Let's say that Dak doesn't get hurt. What

788
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: is the difference between the season or that, I should

789
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: say not the season. What's the difference between the teams,

790
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks and the Dallas Cowboys in the beginning

791
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: of the season. What was the difference between them? I

792
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: would say to you, not a whole lot. Now, Russell

793
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Wilson is what he is, right, I don't I think

794
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: that I personally and I know that I may be

795
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: in the minority opinion of thinking that Dak actually is

796
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: an elite quarterback, but I understand that a lot of

797
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: people do not. He's not Russell Wilson, despite my feelings

798
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: on that. But when you looked at the issues that

799
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: both teams had, they were really similar, right, And what

800
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: changed for the Seahawks mental, well, they made a trade

801
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: for Carlos du Mental. They believe they can win. They

802
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: had enough talent that was pushed to the edge to

803
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: win and it win them defensively. Well, they also made

804
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: a big move in going out to get Carlos Dunlap

805
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: and traded some picks away to do that. I would

806
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: agree with you that, well, one, they didn't have to

807
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: go through the changes that the Cowboys did in this

808
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: offseason and have to deal with, you know what they

809
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: have because of the fact that we've been in the

810
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: pandemic and all that, so things are different. I'm just

811
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: saying from a team standpoint and a talent standpoint, there

812
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: was a lot of similarities for the team. And what

813
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: really seemed to change everything for Seattle I think that

814
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: they had the same belief that they had all year.

815
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: You did have Jamal Adams out for a little while,

816
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: but they bring in Carlos Dunlap. Boy, the belief may

817
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: have changed a whole lot by getting what you guys

818
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: are talking about. Yeah, a good place about. But you said,

819
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: you said at the beginning of the year, what was

820
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: the difference. The difference was this the belief, the belief

821
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: that they could do it and been in and they

822
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: have done it. The belief. And let me say this,

823
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to disagree with you here where I think

824
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have had more talent when when when Seattle

825
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl, they didn't draft marsh in

826
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: the first round. They traded for him and got him

827
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: for Buffalo. Tyler Lockett was not a first round draft pick.

828
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: Dun Baldwin was not a first round draft pick. So

829
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: you can arguably say that the Cowboy you know, Den

830
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: Bryant was the first round draft thing. Jason Witten was

831
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame site is you can truly say

832
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: that they have more talent they had we had the

833
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: best offensive line in football. No one's ever said Seattle

834
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: had the best office line of football. Okay, Cam Chancellor,

835
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, these guys were about first round draft pick.

836
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: So I think that Seattle has done a better job

837
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: developing their players. And then, like they said, they have

838
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: the belief that we can win, and they have been

839
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: a contender literally the last several years, so they've been

840
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: in contention where we have it. We're great on papers.

841
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: I think they've done a better job of developing guys.

842
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: Dug ballwin. You're gonna tell me the Cowboys have not

843
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: had better receivers than Dug ballwing. Oh, No, absolutely no.

844
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: I think I think we're arguing the same thing. Actually,

845
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is what Seattle did is

846
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: they went out and they made the changes and got

847
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: what they needed. They got what you guys are talking about. Yeah,

848
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: you got you gotta have players. I'm not arguing that

849
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: with you. You're absolutely right. We could talk about, you know,

850
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: the great the desire and the will to win all that,

851
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: and that's some fluffy, great stuff. I do want to

852
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: see more fight on that. But Clarry Nay, you're one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent right. You don't have the horses. You ain't

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Speaker 1: doing anything, and every chance that when I talk to

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Speaker 1: people that know Coach Carrol personally, it's what Larry talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier. He was always creating competition. He always is

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Speaker 1: created you know him and the coach at New England.

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Speaker 1: Why every other year so you hit him getting fined

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Speaker 1: and losing draft picks for over practicing, doing things that

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Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be done, like hitting in practice. You

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Speaker 1: know me, I've been telling my guys here on hanging

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Speaker 1: with the boys. I don't care what the CBA says

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Speaker 1: next year. I don't care what pandemic is here. I

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Speaker 1: know if Jimmy Johnson were here, I know where me

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Speaker 1: and Larry Brown would be during the offseason, would be

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Speaker 1: over there working out, getting ready. You got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of dudes that got to be in this house, in

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys House, under the tutelage of of your coaches

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Speaker 1: and your training staff. They have to be here. You

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Speaker 1: ain't zooming nothing. We ain't brought you are either in

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Speaker 1: the house. I'm gonna x you out, that's right. I

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Speaker 1: want to run straight through the podcast window right now, Nate,

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Speaker 1: you need to give every speech to the next season.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. Jimmy told us after the season

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Speaker 1: one year. Well, I don't think Larry's day yet. He

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Speaker 1: told us everybody's man, I'm gonna do this doing off season.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this doing off season. Jimmy say, well,

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Speaker 1: you better check your schedule calls tomorrow morning. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: y'all from two weeks from now what we'll be doing.

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Speaker 1: You got two weeks to do all that you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: because two weeks after that we got your schedule mapped out.

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Speaker 1: We got about a minute left. Let's go around the horn. Will,

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Speaker 1: what's your prediction for the game this weekend? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: think I think the San Francisco forty nine Ers do

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Speaker 1: not score well off turnovers. They're last in the league

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Speaker 1: and doing that. So even if the Cowboys do, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're out of it. I don't like Mullins.

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Speaker 1: I do like the Cowboys. Actually here in a tight one.

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Speaker 1: So I'll say twenty tonight teen go ahead on, Larry.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll with the Cowboys. If we can't beat

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers with a backup quarterback with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of banged up players, we don't deserve to be played.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with the Cowboys. Twenty eight twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Nate always infaible, baby, we get this same Vegas style

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Speaker 1: half point we got him. Cowboys half a point. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go Cowboys. I'm gonna go Cowboys. I hope they

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Speaker 1: don't let me down. Twenty one seventeen. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do. Fellas, four more points so that it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a deepensive game. We'll see, we'll see, Fellas. Nate,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Will. It's a pleasure it is.

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Speaker 1: You come back anytime you want. I'm happy back. I

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Speaker 1: have a black all right. We will get you back

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Speaker 1: on here. Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network.

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