WEBVTT - The False Promise of AI Immortality 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:13.119 Also media welcome back to It could happen here, a 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.280 podcast about things falling apart, and sometimes about stuff that's 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:18.319 less depressing than that. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.560 Today we're doing an episode that's I don't know, part 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.480 funny and part hey, you should be aware of this 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.320 thing because it's it's kind of fucked up. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.879 It certainly could happen. It probably shouldn't. It probably shouldn't 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.879 happen here, but it certainly could. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.640 But it certainly could. Garrison Davis is on the other line. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.800 That I mean other line. This isn't a phone call. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.160 That's the other voice that you are hearing right now. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.240 And earlier this year, Garrison and I went to CEES, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:53.080 the Consumer Electronics show in Las Vegas, Nevada, where Garrison 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.840 had a wonderful stay at Circus Circus that did not 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:57.360 smell like dead clowns. 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.080 But we weasly did not just shut down this summer 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.680 due to horrible infestation problems. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.200 Oh that's what you're staying next year too, buddy. Anyway, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.040 we encountered while we were going through all these different 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:18.480 technology companies and whatnot, this very peculiar AI project, and Garrison, 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.160 I'm going to hand things over to you now because 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.440 you're the one who was actually prepared an episode. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.360 Yeah, So I dug into this AI project more when 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.240 I was making my ghost Conference episodes, and after just 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.640 a few minutes of like doing like background checks and stuff, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.240 I realized that this would become its own episode because 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:43.720 of how wild things got very very quickly. This company 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:48.120 is called mind Bank AI. As the name suggests, they 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.080 are an AI company based in Florida with the goal 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:58.720 of creating personal digital replicas of living humans using artificial 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:03.960 intelligence and an evolved n LP or natural language processing. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.680 Yeah. Basically, these are. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:11.520 Algorithms that are used by GPT, chatbots, predictive texting, and 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:16.359 the digital assistance like Alexa and Siri. Yeah, language models 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:21.120 that respond to feedback. They're pretty common these days. We 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.320 encounter them a lot, right that they're whenever you're typing 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.560 on your iPhone, they they will generate text that they 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.200 think you're gonna write. But what mind bank is trying 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.800 to do is a little bit different. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:34.080 Yeah. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.960 When we encounter them at Cees, their booth had on 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.520 these signs that were it was stuff like like, you know, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.960 set up a legacy for your kids. You know, it 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.880 was basically advertising. This is a way to allow a 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.800 part of you to exist in digital form and communicate 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.000 with your with your descendants forever. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.760 Yes, so we found them in the US government sponsored 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.600 section of cees, which is already a great sign. Yes, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:07.880 already already looking good. But unlike other kind of AI 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.359 digital copies of humans, which typically are just language models 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.720 that generate responses based on an archive of someone's writing 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:20.160 or recorded interviews or online presence, mind Bank instead seeks 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.560 to create an evolving, a unique digital twin by having 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.320 a person input their personal data basically tons of personal 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.600 information about themselves into an AI on an ongoing basis, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.920 and by analyzing your data inputs. Mind Bank says that 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.600 your digital twin will quote unquote learn to think like you, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.400 and their CEO claims that this process will eventually help 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.080 him achieve immortality. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.720 Oh oh, that's good. I hadn't caught that when we 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.680 talked to the guy that he believed that that I love. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.640 Whenever you get these guys who are like I will 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.360 just offload my brain onto a machine and then I 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:04.480 will live for ever in the cloud. And of course, man, yeah, 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.760 that's how consciousness works. Absolutely, buddy. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.720 All right, I'm going to play this video next. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:20.720 Humanity is limited. Our bodies age, our memories fade. Technology 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:28.880 outpaces evolution. The solution is your personal digital twin, transfer 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.920 your wisdom, become the best version of yourself, and live 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.719 forever through data. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.320 Oh boy, let's go beyond. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.240 So all right, I gotta know one thing before you 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.279 start in Garrison, which is that when they note mentioned 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.360 that like technology, like there's a line about like technology 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.239 making everything better, they're showing a man who has lost 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.279 his leg walking on a treadmill with an artificial leg. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.000 And look, I think I have so much admiration for 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.719 the people who make artific official limbs wonderful thing to 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.960 be doing great important work. They're not as good as 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.039 real legs. Everyone agrees with this, right, Technology is not 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:15.400 making it better. Yeah, that's what it says. She was 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.839 on the No, that's technology allowing someone to adapt to 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.640 a terrible, terrible thing that happened to them. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.480 But Robert, don't you want to live forever through data? 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.240 No? No, I don't. I'm exhausted now, Garrison. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.600 Okay, all right, so let's go into this a little 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.440 bit more. Your immortal digital twin is made possible quote 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.240 by safely storing your data over the years, artificial intelligence 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.719 and computers of the future will have ample data to 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.680 compile a digital version of yourself and predict your responses. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.760 So that that is their idea of how this thing works. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.320 Another one of their very very funny YouTube videos, titled 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.440 The Vision, promises that quote, the next personal computer is 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:11.200 you store your memories, your infinite potential, take advantage of 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.360 AI enhanced humanity. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:16.400 God damn it. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.480 So that is their vision. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.800 My personal computer absolutely is not me because I do 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.800 not play Balderskate three very well, you know, like I 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.280 can't run it on my hardware. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.360 Well, that's that's why it's that's why you got to 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.360 buy the new Monster manual and then maybe it could 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:36.559 all just be in your brain. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.880 Actually, yeah, I am full of shit. D and D 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.760 is still better when you run hardware. Goddamn, this is the. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.400 One thing you actually can do pretty good by yourself. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.960 Why did I pick that one? Yeah, it's just so like, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.600 I don't think most people buy this. I don't think 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.200 this probably is going to be a success. I don't 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.120 think most people. I think most people's reaction to this 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.800 is like kind of sneering, which is the right reaction. This, Yes, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.960 but there are people who do feel this legitimately, and 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:10.160 that is a thing of almost unfathomable sadness. Like, yeah, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.080 I had my angry atheist period like a lot of people, 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.200 but like I have so much. I'm so much more 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.640 okay with Christianity than i am this. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:25.240 Oh yeah, absolutely. So before I get into how this 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.600 is all supposed to quote unquote work, first I want 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.320 to talk about how the founder and CEO says that 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.760 he got the idea for this company, because I think 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.560 it puts into focus how he sees this product ideally 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:42.600 functioning in the future. So Emil Hamirez was writing a 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.280 train with his four year old daughter. She was playing 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.440 on her iPad and discovered Siri. She began talking with 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.280 Siri and asking it questions like what do you eat? 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.680 And do you have a mommy. I'll let I'll let 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.520 a meal tell the rest here. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.920 But thirty minutes later she was laughing and having really 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.840 like a nice time with Siri, and she said, Siri, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.200 I love you. You're my best friend. And that struck 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.080 a chord with me that that inspired me so much, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.200 because I said to myself at that moment, children don't 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.200 see computers and devices as a tool. They see them 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:22.320 as a companion. And today she speaks with Siri orle 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.720 Likes or any other device. But in the future, I 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.880 want her to be able to speak to me, to 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.600 be able to ask me a question, just like she 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.760 did the device. And understanding the technology, I know that 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.240 the only way that's possible. I'm able to take my 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.360 thoughts and put them in a cloud so that then 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:42.000 later she can access those that information. So that's how 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.280 the idea for my bank came about. It's a place 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.760 for you to store your ideas for the next generation 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:48.400 to tap into. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:54.760 No, so the generations already linger too long. We had 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.440 it right when people died when they were well, not died. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.000 But Logan's run had it right. We should kill everyone 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:06.119 at thirty five. But this is this is so fucking offensive, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:11.960 Like the the idea that for first off, like if 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.800 you're looking at we want a device, you know a 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.920 way to use technology to help people grieve or something, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.920 and like you decide maybe having a chat about that 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.680 they get you. I'm sure it's possible that that could 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.000 be part of healthy grieving. I'm not going to say 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.040 that that there's no place for that, but something that 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:32.240 is definitely not just stupid, but toxic and poisonous is 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.400 having a machine speak with the voice of a child's 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.400 parent while that parent is alive, and confusing the child 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.200 as to whether or not the phone or their parent 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.720 is conscious. Like that seems bad to me. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.080 There's actually another product that that that does this right now, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.160 which has kind of caused some controversy for this, for 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.040 this very thing you mention, it's a it's a Tarkara 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.600 Tommy smart speaker, which if listening to a parents have 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.400 always for fifteen minutes, can replicate it and tell your 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.360 child bedtime stories if you aren't physically present. And this 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.319 is this is similarly kind of like cause people to 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.200 have a whole bunch of questions around. You know, is 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.840 this good for a child's brain development to have to 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.840 have their parents' voice be coming out of like a 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:24.440 smart speaker. The answer is you probably not, but yeah. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:24.600 So. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.640 According to mind Bank's website, Emil's four year old daughter's 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.800 interactions with Siri quote started a quest in his heart 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:37.440 to live forever for his daughter. The quest for immortality 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:42.360 has led to something much bigger for humanity because the 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.520 next personal computer is you unquote. So there's that there's 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.520 that other line again about having this quest in his 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.960 heart is actually part of a bigger a bigger quest 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:59.000 for all of humanity to live inside a computer or 0:10:59.120 --> 0:10:59.920 to have a computer. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.880 Yeah trained on you. He's he's he's hitting the same 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:09.360 speech cadences that guys like musk us like. He understands, yes, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.120 the kind of he understands partially, the degree of hype 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.800 that you need to get something off this. But he 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.000 is he is going too hard. And I'm making that 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.040 judgment based on the incredibly comforting fact that as you 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.559 tell me these horrible things, I am looking at your 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.959 screen and mind Bank has seventy eight subscribers on YouTube, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.760 so the company has not yet broken through. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.880 I do want to play one one ten second clip, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.720 just because the phrasing is really funny. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.400 I was inspired by an interaction my daughter had with Siri. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.679 What started as daddy's quest for immortality has led us 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.960 to something far kind. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.480 Oh my god, that's pretty funny, right. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:51.240 Man. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.000 But no, Robert, you were You were totally. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.800 Right about about kind of how Emil's like speech pattern 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.480 cadences is pushing a very specific thing. Because before Emil 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.040 got into the tech industry, for eighteen years. He worked 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.440 in marketing. He has degrees in psychology, communication and art 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:13.640 direction and business administration. He isn't a tech guy. He's 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.240 a marketing guy. And I think that's really good to 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.640 keep in mind throughout our whole discussion of how he's 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.160 trying to get funding for mind Bank, because that is 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.320 primarily what all of this marketing is for. It's to 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.560 attract investors. Because this is still he's still in very 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.720 early stages of this company. They do have a product, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.080 it's out, but it's still primarily based on getting investors 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.120 to give him money. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.480 I think what's most disturbing to me about this is that, like, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.319 this is not going to work for this guy because 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.240 he's a loser nobody cares about. But if Elon Musk 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.400 or one of our other many techno grifters, or if 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.480 a number of them got behind similar things, like I 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.280 think that the nightmare scenario to me is someday hopping 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.440 on Twitter to see that fucking Ian Miles Chong or 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.600 Ben Shapiro or Jackson Hinkle or any one of these 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:13.760 like horrible horrible social media poison distributors will be like 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.440 I have made an AI trained on my voice you 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.800 can have me all the time to argue, Like if 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.800 you want to, you know, you can ask me questions 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.839 or whatever. You go to a protest and have me 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.440 yell at liberals for you, Like, something like that will 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.520 happen at some point with one of these guys. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.760 I could not wait to bring Ben Shapiro to Thanksgiving 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:35.800 dinner and have him argue with Yeah, people around here. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.080 The next time you stay at my house with somebody 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.520 that you love and care about and feel comfortable in 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.320 the arms of you are going to drift off to sleep, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.760 and then through the speakers that I have installed in 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.440 the room, you will hear Ben Shapiro's voice coaxing you 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.320 both to acts of love. Oh, that's that's what's gonna happen. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.840 So as an example of this kind of very marketing 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.880 heavy approach, I'm gonna I'm gonna read something from the 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.840 homepage of mind Bank's website. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:05.400 Quote. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.040 Our vision is to be the world's most trusted guardians 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.880 of your AI digital twin and move the human race forward. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.760 Humanity's next evolutionary step is to combine ourselves with AI 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.000 and move humanity forward so that we are no longer 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:26.680 bound by anything that sentence is just marketing bubo jumbo. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.760 It's it's it's meaningless hype like hype words and phrases 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.920 that refer to this like science fiction feature. But like 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.880 it's it's nothing. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:40.200 It's worse than meaningless. It's like it's it's wrong, it's 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.120 stupid wrong, Like the idea that like, you would not 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.440 be bound by anything if you could live inside in 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.760 the at bought, Like, yeah, I have I have an A. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.120 I have used an AI, right, I have it on 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.320 my computer, my computer. Were I to hurl it across 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.240 the room in the same manner that I myself have 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.720 been flung, it would break and I would not like I. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:07.520 Am finally free to think within my computer's RGB gamer ram. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.080 Yeah, finally, Like when I have a laptop that gets 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.920 too old, Like the very act of surfing the internet 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.560 is a nightmare. I don't want my conscience on something 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.520 that ages at the speed of a smartphone. Likes, that's 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.520 even worse than being a person, Robert, do you know 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.440 what else is a very important evolutionary step for the 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:34.360 future of humanity? Oh God, I don't know when we 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.160 all suddenly spontaneously, as if by God's grace, starts speaking 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:40.520 with the voice of Ben Shapiro. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.360 Yes, and perhaps you can do that if one of 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:49.000 our sponsors is Ben Shapiro. Bought coming soon yep, to 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.200 a smartphone near you. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.480 All right, we are back. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.200 Let's finally talk about how this digital twin thing is 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.400 actually supposed to work. So you download the mind bank app. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.080 I'm sure that's totally safe. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.400 Yeah, I trust this with all of my thoughts. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.000 And every day, your digital twin will ask you questions 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.800 about how you're feeling and what you're thinking about, and 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.720 as you tell it your quote unquote life story. Your 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.680 inputs will be used to train the twin to make 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:36.760 a more accurate digital copy of yourself. This is from 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.280 their This is from their website town page quote store. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.360 Your conscience guided questions help train your digital twin to 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.400 know your life story so you can live forever through data. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.200 The more questions you answer, the closer your AI digital 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.400 twin will get to becoming you. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.720 Unquote God in Heaven. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.280 So when Robert and I were at CEES this past 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.880 this past January, we spoke to mind Bank's co founder 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.640 and the director of Systems, Architecture and cybersecurity, and I'm 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.720 going to let him explain kind of some of some 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:18.080 of the process of asking mind bank questions and how 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.680 that helps craft this digital twin. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.520 We ask you questions from how's your day to what 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:23.560 does money meaning you? 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.119 And you answer those questions with your voice in a 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.199 natural way. You can break a voice to text. You 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.640 get a sentiment analysis on the. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.240 Text and provide you a dashboard of what you're feeling 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.080 when you say that, so that you can also continue 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.080 to use it over time. And then as you use 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.000 it over time, the dashboard, we'll show you that you're 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.560 doing better or worse, just. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.440 Like a running application, what better or worse it? 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.240 What whatever metric that you're interested in, your happiness, your awake, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:48.879 your awareness, your. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.919 We have a very large amount of sentiment that we 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:51.760 can provide you with. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.639 Here's a small bits, but you can see kind of 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.119 what we have looks like Here you've got multiple different 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.480 possible types of sentiment, and then within each sentiment, you've 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.360 got multiple different factors that you can weigh against. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.680 To grow mind Bank's user base, there needs to be 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.200 some reason for users to input the massive amounts of 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.040 data that's needed to build this digital replica. So the 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.919 current model of this product is being billed as a 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:23.600 quote self care and personal development app where the user 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.800 talks to their digital twin, kind of like you would 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.080 talk to a therapist. Yeah, this is This is a 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.840 big part of mind Bank's marketing that as as you're 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.720 building this digital twin, it can be used as a 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.880 tool for self reflection and a way to quote learn 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.600 about yourself talk to your inner voice with your own 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.760 personal digital twin unquote, which is really funny because I 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.520 could talk to my I could talk to my inner 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.520 voice whenever I want to. Yeah, it's it's called thinking. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.639 It's actually pretty pretty easy. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.639 This is I really I don't envy, but I'm fascinated 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.840 by the kind of people whose thoughts are so I 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.040 don't know a better word than distincal, no legal, that 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.400 they would think that they could just that they could 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.040 transfer everything they think over your machine and not get arrested, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.280 right like I would be in a prison if I 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.639 had to put the things in my brain on the internet, 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.680 like I put a lot of them, but not all 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.800 of them. There are some very careful doors and locked 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.199 rooms in there that you people don't get access to. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.680 No, there's there's certainly a lot of interesting facets there 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.760 of someone feeling like they need this tool to to 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.719 kind of analyze their own thoughts. Like it's it's it's 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.320 a way to like externalize it that makes you process it. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.639 But I don't know, you can also just like like 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.360 take up journaling or something like there's there's a lot 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.600 of a lot of ways to get around this. But 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.240 this is This is from a mind Bank's app store page. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.040 Quote like a mirror to your soul. Each answer you 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.480 give allows you to get insights into your mind. It 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.280 will help you grow mentally strong unquote. So again, it's 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.000 like being able to talk to yourself with this digital 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.600 twin is a big part of their early push great 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.760 By using quote unquote cutting edge cognitive analysis, the mind 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.119 bank app responds to your data inputs with quote valuable 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:26.320 insights into each answer to understand how your mind works unquote. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:31.119 The app also utilizes quote psycholinguistic models to create a 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.840 dashboard of the mind for personal development and self care. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.359 I'm going to play another another fantastic kind of thirty 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:41.200 second clip here. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.520 Hi, I'm your personal digital twin. I learned by asking 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.240 many questions, each answer build my wisdom. You grow through 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.040 self reflection and I get a little bit closer to 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:54.639 becoming you. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:56.480 Let me show you around. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.360 Here's our training screen, where you can be your product 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.719 based on the number of questions you've answered for this 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.360 phase of my training. Each phase adds a new dimension 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:11.320 to my abilities, and the possibilities are endless. The mind 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.680 map section is like our consciousness. Different questions will challenge 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.600 you to reflect and create a more well rounded version 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:19.120 of us. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.879 So that's that's kind of the layout of the user interface. 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.720 This is like the inevitable extent of all of this, 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:35.440 categorizing your personality type with these letters, taking this quiz 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.080 and defining yourself this way, plotting your political beliefs on 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:44.240 this map that way, like gamification of identity. Almost shit 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.399 that we've been doing, like taking shit that used to 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.080 be like the starting screen from a fucking RPG game 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.280 and turning it into social media fodder. This is like 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.560 treating that as if it is the whole of consciousness 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.639 and how one must one can replicate consciousness. But also 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.040 like treat like the thing that's just like actually disturbing 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.679 about this is that there these people are insinuating that 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.880 this is a kind of therapy that ye, you can 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.840 just sort of vomit your thoughts out and the machine 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:23.159 can analyze them based on the kinds of words and 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.040 whatnot that you're using and then give you useful advice 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:26.840 on your life. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:32.520 Like that's unsettling, Yes, and you're kind of right on 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.440 the money in terms of this like personality testing thing. 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.359 Mind Being's website has a whole bunch of articles which 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.800 I think are written by chat chipd because I read 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:43.920 a lot of them and they all read exactly like 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.520 a chat cheaptee article. But they have a lot of 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.520 articles on like what personality types make you a good CEO, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.960 and like all of like a whole batch of stuff 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.400 like that. That that that references like Myers Briggs testing 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.840 and other kind of personality testings and uses it to 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.600 compare to their own personality models on the mind bank app. 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.960 So yes, that they are very much kind of doing 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:09.639 doing that in like this this like corporate business leadership 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.679 assent like leadership ascension track type thing for how you 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.120 can like improve your personality to make you a better 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:22.080 business man. Cool cool stuff. But in order for there 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.760 to be enough data to build an even slightly accurate 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.679 digital simulacra feeding daily inputs into an app will need 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.959