WEBVTT - #Throwback Episode - w/ Dave Mays & Benzino | (Ep. 10) 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:06.720 Yeah, what's something, y'all? What's going on? Bronk He's a 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.239 legendary Queen's rapper. Hey, Segree is your boy in e 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.440 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:14.000 What is DJ e f N? 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.560 Together? They drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.960 players in music and sports. You know what I mean? 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.920 The most professional, unprofessional podcast. This is drinks with every 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.480 day is New Year's Eve. Let's go. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:29.320 Hey, ain't Sagreeobia? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:30.360 Savia? This is your boy in? 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:32.760 What up this DJ e f N? 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.680 It is a drink chance the motherfucker podcast? Make something. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:39.559 Right now? 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.680 Hit that again? The offen and right now. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.879 I'm so excited, not because these people are my friends, 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.279 but before these people are my friends. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.720 I knew who they were doing. I seen what they 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:52.240 were doing. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:58.120 They are the people who edited, who architected the magazine business. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:04.560 Everybody big for their blueprint. After they made it, they 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.560 tried to recreate it. These guys has been down for 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:15.440 twenty years. Also, these guys have been doing it. Wemed it. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.920 If you've got four mics, you went gold instantly and 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.199 your ship was called the Classic. If you got five mics, 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.400 you probably went platinum instantly. But your ship was called 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.080 the Classic Round days. We don't have no type of 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.520 system at all. Your album will just come out and 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.959 as long as the dude with purple hair and dreadlocks 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:34.680 say your shit. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.840 Is good and you might work it. This is not 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.080 back in the days. Back in the days, it was hard. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.280 Back in the days, you had to hit chickling circuit. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.000 Back in the days, you had to do what you 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:43.440 had to do. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.160 And if you had to get on this magazine, you 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.919 had to be privileged to be on this magazine. No knuckernuts, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.360 the nuts was making this magazine right now. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.760 We're talking about the co owner, the founders. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.480 Excuse me, let me correct, no coding, the founders of 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.280 the soft magazine right now in the house. We got 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:09.520 Dave make Zino makes something. I want to get straight 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.400 to the points. You know, one day, me and you 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:12.800 and joh Rul was on the phone. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:14.680 But you gotta let them know we do this on 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:15.200 a regular No. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.200 Me and John Rul, we all like the three amigo. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.440 We like we're like the first take of hip hop, 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.959 right we we we we were going at it. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.919 I mean me, me, me, j Roul and I said, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.880 like Ja Rul said, He said, I don't give a 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.520 funk about the mic system, right, You remember he said that? 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.519 And I said, that's course you only got three mics. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:36.799 You remember that. 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:42.360 But but but I always got four mics. I always 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.239 love the mic system. The mic system is will help 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:46.200 make my career. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.160 Just make some noise for that. Hold on, let's make 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.840 them what you told me though, the first time you 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:53.840 call me, you called. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.280 Me a backpack wrapper. First of all, I cared about. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.120 The thought he said that you thought that I was 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.960 the one that didn't give you four and a half. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.960 And I'm gonna let it be known right now, right here, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.400 right here, all right, and this is this is like, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.000 we have no reason to lie. I can't do that 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.799 as much as I wanted to, but because you know 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.839 what I'm saying, you know, come on, I'm saying, so 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.400 you told me that you thought I was the one 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.160 that was that I thought anything. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.640 I thought at one point that if the sauce anything 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.160 that was bad than the sauce, I thought that you 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.560 had something to do with the bad part. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.960 And I thought, Dave, what you thought that I rated 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.320 the mic system? I thought that you. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.400 Rated the mic system. I thought that any bad article I. 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:46.240 Thought it was the Angelist straight for all artists because 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:47.560 said the same thing. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.440 You know what I'm saying the first time I met him. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.480 A few like, yeah, I never ever hate machine by 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:54.680 the way I hate I never. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.360 Ever ever ever gave anybody Mike. But set now I'm 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.920 gonna get into it. No, No, I'm just saying, other 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.560 than the situation that happened with you know what I'm saying, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.840 the source myself and eminem. You know what I'm saying, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.360 that was the only time the mic system like I 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.560 kind of I kind of put my authority. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.400 But even way by wait, that's that's that's all. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.039 The other one hundred and ninety covers and Mike's and everything, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.360 I never had nothing to do with it, Like that's 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.560 a back room meeting of editors and people up there. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.640 And I never was once ever in any of those meetings. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.480 But even still though, you know, but even still to 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.400 this day, do you not realize how important the bike 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:34.000 system was. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.200 I mean, I remember you was telling me like, yeah, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.640 like I was. I was bugging that I was explaining 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.080 to you understood it, but didn't I didn't feel it 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:41.760 like y'all did. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.120 Wow, Wow, how about you Dave, you, you, me and 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.160 you on the same page. That mics system meant a 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:48.240 lot to the culture. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.320 I mean, you know, we took very serious. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.279 You know, it was something that that the staff took seriously. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.720 You know, the authenticity of it. So you know it 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:57.520 meant a lot. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.840 You got some good ratings, how five, So keeping you 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.880 the real meat, I had to tell y'all just because 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.760 you got three MIC's job, that was your problem. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.599 But let me play devil's advocate, right, all right, but 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.960 what's the mic system of of of some people who 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.440 might especially as RAPS started territorializing, meaning Houston had its 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.520 own side of the Bay Area added so sign okay, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.600 if you got a bunch of people up in the 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.680 office that not used to these sounds, then how then 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.480 how can they really rate your ship properly? And now 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.960 that's that's number one? Then number two? Right, the business 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.640 side of the game. There's two sides of the source. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.800 It's business and it's editorial. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.320 FN you're the label to be Child's Busy again technical no. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.640 No, no, no no, But you're the label and you're artists, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.600 and you're paying the advertising for your artists right within 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.520 the editorials hitting you off for two and a half 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.000 mics within that Now what now? 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:52.320 Now? 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:53.080 Now? 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.160 What now? Now? 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:54.400 Now? 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:54.840 What do we do? 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.680 You know what I'm saying. So it wasn't always as 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.440 you know, I think what it was. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.240 You know what I'm saying. People people have different perspectives 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:04.680 on things. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.840 My thing is like, you know, if you got a 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.520 song and you believe in it, then okay, that's great 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.760 that other people that you would want other people to 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.320 rate it. But when you think of again, it's just 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.760 these are just human beings and people like you are 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.440 to raise something to say you like it or not. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.480 No, But I mean the times have changed. But back then, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:23.920 I think you got you guys? 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.160 What did they say? He was the hip hop Bible? Understood? 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.680 I got it great? A compliment is that though they 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.640 ultimately I mean, Dave could take that right? Did you? 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.840 Did you feel like, you know, accomplishment? People called it 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.839 the hip hop Bible not I mean it felt good. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.160 But I was always striving to keep going and more 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.240 bigger things. So it was like stopped just to not 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.640 a source was he started? 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:52.599 I heard a piece of paper. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.880 I remember my first like sauce I actually bought like 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.800 I had other source magazines But the first sauce I 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.600 actually bought was the mass Appeal cover. I believe that's 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.719 the cover where Na's got five mics correct, massive massive. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.159 When I say mass Appeal, it was I meant a gurgle, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.880 gang star and uh dj man that was That was 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.560 the issue. Google that has and Google that the computer. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.320 Let's see if that's the issue, because you know, I don't. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.880 We want to give our correct information. But that was 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.400 my first sauce. I was in jail, and it meant 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.120 so I can't say it meant so much more than 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.040 me because I would come home and hip hop kids 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.000 would have the issue the same way. Well, I just 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.160 want to commend you guys for making. So did you 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:36.920 know what you guys were doing when you make? Because 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:37.800 it's you're from d C. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.080 Correct day. Yeah, and then you're from Boston. So how 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.640 did how did your first link up to you already 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:44.800 had the sauce right there. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.680 Or or it was something y'all came up together, Harved 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:49.680 let's make some noise today. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.160 Being in Harvard, you already already alad. I was on 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.760 Harvard Street and I was already already. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:06.080 In the street Rocksburg. That's wait. So that's why I 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:16.520 might look make such ship's. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:13.480 My first, that's my first. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.200 But you so Harvard is in the hood. How what 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:17.560 I'm saying? 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.040 The Harvard and the schools in Cambridge? 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.960 Okay, it's in Cambridge. I started a radio show, hip hop. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.880 Hip hop radio show on the Harvard. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.480 Radio Give give Dave another drink, Give him another drink. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:36.040 Listen, drink Listen, ben Zeno and Dave, they are my friends. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.240 You can tell they my friends. They dugged out bottles 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.480 of Armadelle. It's not a Rocky Brother no more. It 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.959 is now hip Hop Weekly sponsored Holy Mocking. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:46.880 These are my friends. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.600 I'm We're gonna get to you a lot of stories 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.480 thinking this a lot. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.559 Of that, like we got family, the family. Like, excuse 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.760 me for saying friends, brothers both of them. Man, that's right. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:04.359 So how does the Harvard guy you for I'm from Roxbury, Dorchester, Massachusetts. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.079 How does the Harvard guy look up link up with 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.240 the Roxbury Dorsters that this is great? 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.360 He was doing that, He was doing the Harvard thing. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.880 I had grouped the Almighty. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:19.560 Saying Harvard like it's light, Harvid is yeah, niggas in Boston. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.959 Harvey was just over there with the police said, and 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:22.480 white people. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.920 That's everywhere else. People are trying to get understand that. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.560 Yeah, prestigious, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.920 Number one rap group up there in Boston. Excuse meself, Yeah. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.640 Al might managed already feeling different. I went out to 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.600 one of the shows. That's why. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.320 Just before that, that's when we first met. I went 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.160 out to one of their shows they were performing. I 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:52.280 went out and introduced myself, treaching them, told them about 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.960 my radio show. I was hosting the show Street Beat 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.800 Go Go Days. 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.480 You know, come on up. I want you all to come, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.400 you know, do an interview up on my radio. So 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.079 that's how we met. And then he just started he 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.760 used to his leathern African thing. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.040 Yeah, I'm not gonna lie Davis Davids the blackest white person. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.560 He's definitely everybody in the act. I don't even I've 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.480 never looked at them, fella. I know that it's just 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.120 as black as me. Not black. Let's make some noise 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:17.640 with da man. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.720 Nigga's gotta start clapping. Man. I stopped having a conversations 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:25.160 and me watching y'all. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.679 But then but then we ended up linking up and like, yeah, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.599 well he had a radio station. But you said that 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.080 my DJ from the from the Artist Soul ended up 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.240 spending on his harve two times. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:38.800 Yeah, okay. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.640 It was a station for classical music and Dave Man 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.120 should get some hip hop on it. So Jeff went 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.040 up there to be his DJ. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.120 Jeff two times pick up Jeff. Okay, yeah, you know 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:50.440 what I'm. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.480 Saying first, and then you know what I'm saying, and 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.640 then I don't want to say it then yeah. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.040 Then then from then we just started linking up, you know, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.000 I started, I started working with his him in the group. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.120 All right, And I'm gonna get I'm gonna direct this 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.559 question towards you. Now, I know Benzino, I know how 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.480 smart he is, but the average person don't see that. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.400 How did you see his genius? 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.160 Dade? I appreciate that. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.880 I mean, it's just always been a click from I 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.000 mean from the beginning, or or was it later on? 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.320 I mean, of course it grew and it evolved over time, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.000 the relationship, but there was just you know, there was 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.200 just something there, you know, that's kept us together all 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:27.760 these years. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.440 I mean, it's definitely a respect. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.720 I mean, he's got brothers, man, he's a he's a brilliant, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.560 brilliant person all the time, and you know. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.319 You gotta go, you gotta come. Listen, how did you know? 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.640 How did you know when you met him that this 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.559 is a guy you're gonna partner up with? Like it 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.720 was that the first intention, like no, hell no, Dave, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:53.720 Dave was just cool. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.719 We used to go to Harvard. But what I dug 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.880 about Dave was like Dave that need to be around 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.280 a whole bunch of different dudes. But really was like 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.719 he's from d C. So he really didn't ask for 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.079 the city, you know what I'm saying. Then, you know, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.559 like when you were around one thing about racism, it 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.360 breaks down a couple of things. It breaks down is 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.480 crimp crime, because no matter what, it don't matter. If 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.079 you connected with somebody and y'all doing some dirt, there's 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.560 never no racism. He could be Irish, Italian, black, if 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.880 y'all are homeboys, y'all you feel me. But then it 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.160 just goes on like it was like, Okay, he's at Harvard, 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.400 I'm overhead. Damn, he's kind of cool. You know what 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.040 I'm saying. Fucking let's just go see what overhead is 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.080 like you fuck with David was he the. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.240 First person that when you spoke to him and you said, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.000 maybe I could get out the streets. No you you 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.000 wanted to get out of the streets. No, no, no, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:41.520 you didn't want to get out the streets. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:41.640 No. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:42.520 Yeah, yeah, I was wild. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:43.680 I heard ourself heard. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:49.880 Not just that every day, never watched he had a record, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.360 label the record. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.720 We'll talk about that story too. You talk about thinkings, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:57.120 No I did. 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:04.840 It was ninety when that happened. We can talk about 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.320 that later later. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:11.160 Stay back on the pick up to Paul pis Yeah cool, now, yeah, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.360 it was cool then. Okay, what I'm saying, you know 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.280 Roders want to come up here, you know he might 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.439 know what she too. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:18.679 She was. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.640 I remember that. I remember that. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:33.000 So let's let's let's let's talk about it made the 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.280 transition to reality. But before you made the transition to reality, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.120 you didn't give a funk about telling the industry to 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.600 kiss your hass. How did the. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:44.760 Attitude derived like? 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.960 It wasn't, No, it wasn't. It was just different times. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.439 You know what I'm saying. Back then, you know, you 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.199 know what I'm saying. It was just I don't know, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.280 you know, from Boston always kind of I always got 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.240 a little reverend. I'm older, so I got a little 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.560 revolution to send me, you know. Back then, Yeah, well, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.280 you know we because I mean, you know what I'm saying, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.360 because it's like you you're seeing it, You're seeing the struggle, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.559 and you're looking at things that ain't right, and you know, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.680 you're seeing people being politically correct. I really don't understood 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.559 stood what that was as much as I do now, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.839 you know what I'm saying. But back then I felt 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.680 like I had I had no political correctness. That's when 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.000 you know, you like you're a real revolutionaries when you 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.640 have no political correctness. I don't think of that anymore 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.000 because I have a lot of politically correctness and the reasons. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.480 But that but that that don't that don't take away 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.000 you know that that is I don't wonder what the 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.560 hoodness is different the hoods there. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.480 You know, I did it, done that. But I'm saying 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.960 as far as really giving a fuck for the betterment 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.320 of our culture. You know what I'm saying about to 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:48.880 go deep. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.600 Look at you know, I love it. You know, get drunk. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.040 Do you remember the time you got drunk and you 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.120 left in a wheels chair. I don't drink. I don't drink. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:05.160 I remember, Yeah, I ain't gonna like him. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:08.000 Listen, you know. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.560 You listen. There was no snapchat, there's no Instagram. Remember, 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.200 people had to actually listen to my story on what. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:22.920 The niggas. 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.840 He walked to the hotel and they was like, I 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.760 can't walk. They went and got him a wheelchair. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:31.600 I was like, oh my god, a body and there 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:36.600 was no everything. He was not really a drinking like a. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.720 Drinking and he started making He started hanging out with me, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.960 even though you know, I noticed where you get when 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:41.280 you mix. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.840 You can't see why, you just all over the place. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.680 But but that's how they drink like they. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.400 Money Me and Sonny. Yeah, i't go for a Dave 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.720 drink like that too. Dave is a day. Let me 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.600 just tell you about Dave. Listen, I've hung out with Dave, 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.880 just like I hung out with you and Dave. He'd 0:15:58.920 --> 0:15:59.440 beat dropped. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.480 He'd just be why, like you. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:05.320 Niggas drink different? 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:11.120 Yeah, yeah, niggas is the liver boy a TRANSSEXUALI drink. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:13.480 Drink any different. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:20.440 I said, I said it wrong, dry sexual tried anything. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.760 Big difference difference. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.840 So you know, let's go because you know we on 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.560 the podcast. I'm still waiting for the always had to 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:36.920 ask this question, man, did you have anything to do 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:37.480 with that? 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:38.600 Miss man? 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:39.800 Listen, listen? 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.280 You know what I'm beyonest with you, right, It's like 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.160 you know, you know, like when you when you have relationships. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.720 You know what I'm saying in the industry, male and 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.080 female friends. You know what I'm saying, like your friends like. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.840 You relationship friends, that's different friends. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:57.640 I'm saying like when you when you when you're dealing 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.720 with covers and magazines. It's all about when relationships with 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.960 the with the artists. You know what I'm saying. With 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.359 the person. You know what I'm saying, you. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.639 Got to talk to us for he's proven he's probably 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.320 Oh no, I think I answered that correctly though where 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:11.840 you smashed? 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:22.520 Correct, you smashed? We can't we come on, man, that. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.320 Class We came here. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.359 Any WHOA this is the room on the street, because 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:37.600 you know. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.679 The room on the street. I got down. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:49.240 Everybody wanted to respect for and my girl room with 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.399 not I wouldn't even you know what I'm saying. But 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.200 I'm just saying no, no, no, no, because you know 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.680 you know what I'm saying. Just as as gentlemen, we don't. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.399 You know, we don't kiss and tell. You know what 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.040 I'm saying, we don't. We don't as as gentlemen. You 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:03.640 know what I'm saying. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.080 It's just a room on the street. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:13.320 There's a lot of people. You said that something. There's 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.679 a lot of people who wanted to do. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.480 But there's a rumor that you actually would what both 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:22.760 of them? I think. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.240 I think I think people need to make a noise 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.960 for that makes a noise, even if it was. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:31.560 Just a room. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.560 Room that's not going to you met your wife is back. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:37.840 In the day. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.920 Listen, Listen, listen, listen. Let's say because I'm going I'm 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.040 going straight take under. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.800 Oh man, you. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:51.840 Told me you wanted to do this. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.760 I don't know if you made from that angle scat. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.600 I'm a media guy now, Like it's roses reverse, the 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.800 roses are first, you know, Dave, you knowed to hit 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.880 me with interviews and guess what I'm hitting a man. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.680 So let's you know, you know, answer what you know 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:11.280 to be about. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.359 Honestly, it's about relationships. It's about relationships with everybody in 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:15.959 this business. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.520 So who you would say is better tell them? Yeah, 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.679 there'll say, so who would you say. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.560 Is better rapping? 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:29.600 Rapping? 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:34.600 Whichever way you want to answer it, I'm being honest 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.280 with you. We had both of them. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.080 It's gonna come in time. 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:40.439 You got to. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:48.840 So no, no, no, no, god, you not imagine nothing. 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:50.400 You play again? 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:51.119 He trying to hip hop? 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:52.000 We again? 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.240 You know a lot of people hip hop? 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:55.760 You want to do? 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:57.040 That was bullship? 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:57.920 Play a game. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.920 If you don't want to answer the question, you're gonna 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:01.480 take a shot. 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.240 All right, all right, but I got. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.600 A quarter shot? What you mean that's the way you 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.920 gotta go. You mean, I'm gonna ask you a certain random. 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.200 Questions if you don't want to answer to drink chat. Okay, okay, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.560 b bye? Hold on, no, no, no, no, we have 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.560 to compromise that. Wait you don't know. No, let the 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:17.640 shots be pre poored. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:19.399 Agree on that. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.080 Yeah, pre is not gonna let you a shot. We'll 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.359 be dancing out this morn that's that's that's a shame. 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:30.560 You're my friend. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.199 Let me get away a little bit, Let me get 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.720 a little bit. So which one is better? 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.560 Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna tell you 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.080 which one is better than they both? 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.720 Incredible answer, great, great ass. 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.359 That's that's how gentlemen answers on. 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:54.880 A little bit, man, little bit and man maybe Mike, 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.000 I'm a private person when it comes to any type 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:58.479 of situation. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:00.920 Album worked five nights? 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:01.159 You did? 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:03.359 In your opinion, she. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.320 Didn't get fine, I thought she got phone half. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.160 No, I think I think she got she got Okay, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.640 you know what you're with the name of that, because 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:14.320 I don't know, I know. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.040 My and my am. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:21.000 I do you think she should have got five? Drake goud? 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:21.560 You ain't good? 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:23.600 I'll answering you the question. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.720 I actually do you think she wish she should know? 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:26.479 I'm a media guy. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.440 Well to ask you why you pointing up on me? 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:41.520 Like you know? Listen, listen, listen, Well, Gil, you're gonna 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.720 play this game now, Okay, play this. We heard you 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.640 the great fright at one point. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.159 Yes, you was in love with. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:51.119 What the. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:07.840 Ft we were talking about. I'm going back. I'm going 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:09.480 back to here shout. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:10.920 I want to see if you're gonna take the shot 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.160 and that and I'm moving on from me. I want 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.960 to see if you take the shot. Come on, I'm 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.240 gonna see if you take the shot on that first involved. 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.280 First of all, this about relationships is about. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.160 This and we don't know what it's about. I watch 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:25.080 your podcast. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.480 None of its none of this. 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.760 Fu all do respell? Got the revitation? 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:40.159 You've got you I love and I'm gonna drink to that. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.679 If I love you or you know you drinking out there. 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.520 Drink you take the whole shot. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:47.080 I want to see it. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:51.480 Take the whole shot. It's going down. It's going down. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:52.600 So you was high? 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:54.719 Fine, I love it. You got yo got you got 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.320 a good hit list, man, come over here, come over here. 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.440 When you're hit listen, you got a brag like it's 0:22:59.480 --> 0:22:59.920 been a pad. 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.760 This is guests in the past. 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:21.200 Let's come on, let's thank you for getting a good sport. 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.480 You know, baby, were looking at me like. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.520 We we we we premeditated this. I'm sorry, but listen, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.159 so let's get back to that. Let's get back to 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:30.720 right now. 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.440 We have the number one podcast right now, number one 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.159 enemy his name, gonna call him the enemy. But you 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.920 don't want Torect's loud to go somewhere, so listen. 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:44.240 You want to still shook up from the last secondly up. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:47.280 It's all rumors. It's all rumors. 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.239 This is all rumors. To day the drink chance none 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.080 of the stories are actual facts. I'm nice, We're actually. 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:58.919 The hard question or no, no, let's let's keep it back. 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:03.399 I saw this one of our direct competition people is 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.880 a guy named Elliott Wilson. That was our son. 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:08.960 Was employed by you? 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:09.680 Our son? 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:10.840 Where did he work for you? 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:11.000 All? 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.000 That? That was our son? Okay, you want to think 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:15.280 that was our fucking son. 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.399 I don't want to tell you. Let's go, let's go exactly. Okay, 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:21.160 So what happened? 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.399 Let's where he was the music editor. He was the 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.840 music editor. What do we adopt him? 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:26.760 Like? 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:28.480 So what ya say? 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:30.560 What do we adopt him? 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:40.160 Did you say? The people who pay so give? 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:41.560 He was a cool guy. 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.440 So he was a cool guy. Put in his face. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:45.920 No no, no, no, no no no no no no no. 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:48.720 This was after that was way after. 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:56.080 David was one years. He was an assistant assistant music 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.840 This is probably like ninety seven ninety. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:01.000 He used to get the. 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:09.800 Phillies in the Dutch nat. After I remembered to get 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:14.600 our lunch. The lunch then let me probably like some 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.080 some wings and some ship whatever. 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:18.359 But he used to get the lunch. You know what 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:18.760 I'm saying. 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.760 I mean like he was like what it was lunch me. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:26.320 I mean he was you know, he was. 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:32.480 Okay. 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.840 He was there for six years, six years about four So. 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.159 You guys put him on gloomed him. 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:40.560 You told him everything. 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:44.440 He knows everything he's seen at the source. He brought 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.200 over there to excess, which, by the way, parents just 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.840 went under Harris Publications. So let me tell you why, 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.000 because remember it was always them against us, and now 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:58.480 since we're Hip Hop Weekly, we actually outlasted Harris Publication. 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:05.320 So we're gonna make annoy. That's big because after we 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.439 lost the sauce, they thought it was over for us. 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:07.879 You feel me. 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.920 We was banished into a question and we're gonna get 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:15.760 back to Elliott. It's great for us. But the new sauce. 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.560 Have you lever bought a new sauce and just looked 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:22.400 through it? Not? You know like this recently, I would 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:23.600 never I would never buy you. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.520 We would never buy it because it was once your company. 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.800 Or you would never buy it because their content. 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.880 Is just not both up the day, both check check. 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.200 You know what I'm saying. It ain't not shopping eighteen years. 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.560 A lot of things went through us with that, a 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.240 lot of good, bad, and ugly. 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.640 Soul and that was cool with Londale Manilan. 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:43.600 Right with everybody. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:49.240 Everybody, Yeah, lawyer, lawyer, anybody was that lawyer back then 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:53.240 everybody was man with so many know, we worked with 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:54.120 so many motherfuckers. 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:55.520 It was creat Are you trying to. 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.640 Say something like under the table, like he was your lawyer, 0:26:58.720 --> 0:26:59.800 so he knew something? All? 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.280 Oh god, No, he just jumped in on some He 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:04.280 just wanted to be us. 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.639 You see a lot of these motherfuckers thought that once, once. 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.600 They noticed the truth, it's the truth. It's the truth. 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.800 Like when Black Enterprise took the magazine look at it, 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:14.879 look at look. Let me tell y'all secret, right, Me 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.000 and Dave went to Bob Johnson right right before. 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.000 Johnson views a dumb that's the guy who used to 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:21.320 own be. 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.000 Own BT before he sold BT for three billion dollars. 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:25.640 This makes annoys to him selling beats. 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.560 Goddamne even if you're going to a foul story sold 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:32.919 for three I think he. 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.080 Used to own Shott who want to sold the hornets 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.200 to Jordan Panthers. Jordan, you know what I'm saying. So 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.920 some long story showed you know, we you know we 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.080 we we was in the whole thirty million, like with 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.520 a bank loan, so you know, Bob. 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.600 Which means you had to at least make sixty seventy million. 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.600 Bob wanted, Bob, this makes a noise for y'all niggas 0:27:51.680 --> 0:28:00.000 killing the game. Come on, it was those days was crazy, 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.280 so y'all was in the hole. And he kind of 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.359 he wanted to buy the magazine straight up. 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.639 So we I flew his office me and Day, and 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:15.600 it was at this time with no, this is Bob Johnson. 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:21.199 Bob Johnson, okay, so you know he he we wanted, we. 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.520 Wanted, We wanted eighty million for it. We went and 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.320 asking for eighty million, and he was. He came out 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.119 and he came back. He said, well, I'll write you 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.960 a fifty five million dollars check today. And we was 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:32.880 looking back, you know, saying, you said, you know, Bob, 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.399 give us some many We went in the room, Me 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.520 and Day. It was just us too, and we figured 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.480 after like paying off the bank loan and taxes and 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.360 everything else, who would end up with a few million 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.960 dollars a piece. The whole thing about the source was, 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.000 and I say that to say this, the whole thing 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.960 about the source was that how dysfunctional. 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:52.160 This how as dysfunctional? 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.959 How you said, I always get dysfunctional, as it may 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.239 have seen the relationship between me and Dave and how 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.120 it was was kind of made the source what it was, 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.160 Dave being from college, being from the streets. It just 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.720 came from two perspectives. And that's how we ran the magazine, 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.560 you know what I'm saying, And like, you know, we 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.680 didn't want to lose the source and then be like, okay, 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.880 we're not still runners of it, because we know how 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:15.720 it's almost like a call. 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.520 That offer was like gage fifty five, but y'all not. 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.960 Y'all are gone. Y'all gone, ya, we just can't yet. 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:24.120 How about you, Daved? 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:25.160 You didn't like that as well? 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.360 Not? Do you know? We wanted to stay involved because 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:28.600 we said bigger things. 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.160 You know, wow, especially with the social awards we did, 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:32.800 the source of our licensed TV. I mean, we was 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.240 doing major things. But the problem was me and Dave 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.440 wasn't with everybody like in New York and that and 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.560 that and that, like up there, it's like a club 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.640 of dudes that have been in and out, you know 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:45.920 that normal you know what I'm saying. In those offices 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.480 up in New York in the industry, it's the same 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.600 people that just revolved from office to office to office 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.480 because they all feel comfortable with each other. And God 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.360 bless them because I've dealt with a lot of them. 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:56.680 I've made a lot of money with them, So I 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.920 have none bad to say about anythings. I just don't 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.400 think that me and Dave was a part of that, 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.120 you know what I'm saying. And by that meeting, you know, 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.320 we had our own independent views. We didn't have to 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.760 be politically correct. We didn't have to kiss no ass 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.840 because it stopped up here. We didn't have to answer 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.000 to nobody, and. 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.040 You guys were like the first like major media company 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.320 to invest in online media. I remember that early. 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:20.360 That's how we lost though. 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:22.440 Wow, that's ultimately how we lost. 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.560 That's how we wanted. I thought, I thought that was great. 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:26.640 Now that was that was what. 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.600 The scene tell them that. That was me just investing early. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.760 When when the dot com came out, when it was 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:38.240 all going crazy with that, that's when I went. I 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.680 bet the magazine on the internet, and when I borrowed 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.440 ten fifteen million dollars and started This was. 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.360 Like six seven years before the world sounce it was gone. 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:48.959 Like you know what I'm saying, it was just too 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.400 early the bang. It's just nobody understood that, right, we 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.680 was way behe time is everything. 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.920 But Dave, it got to feel crazy now for you 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.920 to know that you had the vision for what because 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.360 while you invest all that money, you actually sink where 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.800 it's gonna be now, So it gotta feel crazy that 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.720 maybe it didn't work, but your idea was one correct, 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:09.440 you know that, right? 0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:16.160 I mean, well, but that's real though it was him. 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.920 Steve Style was young and they invested up. He asked me, 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:21.040 and I was like, I don't know. I don't know 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.760 nothing about that ship. I don't know nothing about computers, 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.120 none of that funk all that, and just I don't 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:26.840 know what the fuck it is. 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.640 Steve Stolt, I mean, you know what I'm saying. 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.800 Steve is like somebody that we've always had that love 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.600 hate thing with. You know, we've got money with him too, 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.880 we broke bread with him. But then Steve has another 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.520 side of him that is about that again, like that crew. 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:43.840 You know, I call it that crew. 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:44.480 You know what I'm saying. 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.840 I mean, like you know, I'm just saying, like you know, 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.880 at the end of the day the other side, you 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.000 know what I mean, Like there's there's there's a few sides, 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.360 you know what I'm saying, And that's what I say. 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.240 I just think that me and Dave was too a 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.440 little bit rough under the edges for him. We wasn't 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.760 we wasn't status quo and the source was getting money 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:03.840 like you wanted to do. 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.480 Steve to the whole advertising business, Peter Arnell, that was 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.400 his first partner in the advertising business. Whenever you know, 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.520 when I met Steve, he was, you know, working with 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.160 Kid and Play, like carrying records. 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.120 You see in this industry a lot of people we 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.280 don't get off props when we do the right thing. 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.480 So we're gonna get to the crop bottle of the story. 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.320 So you're the guy who introduced him to the advertisement 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.800 firm that he started working with and they started doing 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:42.960 the rebod thing and. 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.680 All absolutely absolutely he got. He was working up at 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.640 RCA Records. He was an A and R up there 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:53.840 for a little while. Gave a deal. He used to 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:54.959 give me budgets for videos. 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.960 You know what I'm saying. I always getting money here, 0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.080 like budgets to do videos. Take these fifteen stacks, I 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.080 go do the video for like five stacks. You know 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.000 what I'm saying. Put ten You know what I'm saying. 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.000 I remember one time some shit have I got locked 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:08.960 up and I had I had spent all the money. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:10.880 He came to the boss and he's like, yo, and 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.040 it was for this white artist named Based Blackstart of Connecticut. 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:18.680 You remember Met Frien. 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.120 Yeah, Yo, they gave me fifteen. 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:25.480 That's real bass blast. 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.240 This was before this was like one of the first 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:27.840 he could. 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:29.720 Steve been trying to do this white rapper thing for 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:35.200 You know, Steve had visions of this, of a white 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.440 crossover wrapper. He was the first one to really have 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.760 visions of this. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.560 the people had it in their mind, of course when 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.440 Vanilla Ice came up, But I'm saying as far as Steve, 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.280 he he was seeing it from a marketing standpoint of 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.760 look these kids out here, these white kids. We can 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.520 give him someone of their own. And I always felt like, no, 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.840 that's the opposite of what hip hop is. So the 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.080 white kids are coming to the hoods because they love 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.320 the music. It has nothing to do with the race. 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.040 You can't make it race because when you make it race. 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:03.120 That's when it gets a. 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.040 Screwed up so interesting thing. We have min Blee on 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.200 here recently, right, and men Blee said he was shouting 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.120 spoke about the Rockefeller break up, right and all like 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.560 all the employees of how like every successful team now 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:22.160 has a Rockefeller employee. That's that's that's that's a part 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.640 of their team. Whoever it be, do you you guys 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:27.400 got to feel the same way, like, I mean, how 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.839 many people came from the song? Miss? What did miss? 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:35.880 Like? Who's guy seeing that? 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:40.800 It's like this, we can you know that what you have? 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:46.680 You have a guy work the other dude, Okay, it's 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:47.439 not a toy race. 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.920 Mike Mike Elliott who I'm directed on Loving Basketball and. 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:59.520 Elliot Mike Elliott, Wilson, Ellie Wilson, Mike elliotts Mike Elliott 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:05.319 directed record Loving Basketball and a few of the. 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:11.399 Movies right because I'm so fucked up? He was, Yeah, 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.040 movie you feel me so so little. It's like a 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:16.160 lot of people came. 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:16.720 Through the office. 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.120 A lot of people came through the sauces. 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.560 We discovered him Tyson Beta discovered the sauce. 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:23.080 The Boon Docks. 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:28.080 He was the first remember that yeah. 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:32.080 Happened. 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.320 Well he actually he was doing it in the University 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.840 of Maryland newspaper. When I went home to d C, 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.200 I had to I think my mom gave me the newspaper. 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.640 I seen the comic in there boone Docks just dope. 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:52.320 I remember the first time the sauce only cartoon shipping, 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.759 so like in the newspaper. Yeah, think about think about 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.719 all the graffiti the Sauce introduced. You know what I'm saying, motherfuckers. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:00.600 Like honestly, niggas wasn't like. 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:01.560 You know what the crazy. 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.000 To all my friends. I was like, yo, you know 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.919 I got busy on day Maze, Like people were sitting 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.439 there like you know how much I used to read 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.480 the bag and like they used to every part of that, 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:18.239 Like when a person discovered that in jail, the source magazine. 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.600 I got to command you guys, because there's never been 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.600 a magazine that's been that credible. 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.680 People don't listen to people right now, like if a. 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.200 Person can do another like there's plenty of magazine to 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.080 try to bite your migrating system. 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.920 It never worked. Man, How proud are y'all of that? 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.600 You know what I mean? I mean, Dave can feel that, 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:36.960 you know, like I can feel that with you, Dave. 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.920 God were there first, you know, and we did it 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:41.279 the right way, you know what I mean. You know 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.000 we kept it, kept it street, kept it real, kept 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:45.080 it hip hop, you. 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:45.560 Know what I mean. 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.759 And it was it was a beautiful thing and we 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:51.319 were We didn't answer nobody. We owned and controlled our 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.480 own thing. We wasn't you know, we was out of 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:55.560 all the entrepreneurs. You go back and look at the 0:36:55.680 --> 0:37:00.920 history Russell Simmons on, everybody down. They all had major 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.040 corporation partners back in them. 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:09.799 You know, ours was completely completely independently. It wasn't until 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:10.600 the dot com. 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.520 That's when you know, I lost control of it because 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.520 I bet everything on the dot com. 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:17.960 And that's what you were, right, You. 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.000 Were just like ahead of his time. 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.279 It was a how can you that's crazy that you 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:27.880 got to be punished and then imagine that the internet 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.319 is killing print magazine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.040 He knew it though he seen it. He knew it, 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.640 like I know, he's a genie. Seen it. Next time 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.080 he says something, you got to just listen. 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.400 Just give him two years on it. 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.200 I means, it happens. 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:41.480 But you know, but you can't. 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:43.600 You can't worry about that ship. Like, let's get to 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:43.960 the source. 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:44.879 You gotta keep going. 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:46.480 You know what I'm saying to the source of wars, 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.680 whose idea was it? And why did everybody get shot. 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:50.239 Or rock there? 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:58.920 Nobody ever performance at the couple of net Look at 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:03.839 that later, brother, I never wanted to saw awad, but listen, 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.040 at this time when you were hot, you had to 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.600 be at the sort how did your guys. 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:10.320 Come up with that idea? 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.760 Like how does the magazine company figure will do the magazine? 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.440 I mean the whole fun Yeah, the whole there was 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.360 was in the whole thing with the Source was to 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:25.359 be a voice for the culture. I mean, so as 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.480 we're being a voice for the culture, we're seeing that 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.320 hip hop isn't being recognized. In fact, it's being you know, 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:34.719 disrespected at award shows, the Grammys, things like that that 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.320 had hip hop categories in the late nineteen eighties. Everything 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.880 they were doing was just you know, yeah, disrespectful. So 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.320 you know, it was natural for us to want to 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.040 come up with a you know, a forum to be 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.840 able to recognize you know, the real stuff that was 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:52.200 going on. 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.560 So that was my that was whole, my whole idea. 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.480 So the first thing was to bring it to MTV 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.040 and your MTV raps. 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.239 We did it as a day on your own TV 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.320 raps where we gave out the Source Awards. 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:04.040 That's how it started. 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.799 That was the first, the very first one, nineteen ninety 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.040 one with their lover and Doctor Dre. 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.759 You guys gotta stop moving back there. Okay, listen, listen, 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.160 you guys are fucking up this ship. You gotta stop moving. Please, 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:18.520 you're moving and storing. Smack the please and come over here, 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:22.719 man bear, So listen, this is what I want to 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.680 ask that Shug Night Day. 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.640 That wasn't the first, so that what was that the 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.239 second or third? Remember Bernie Max hosted the first one. 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.680 Imagine that all right, p Bernie Mac. Yeah, when Bernie 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:36.480 Mac holds up first. 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.160 Second, it was at the Paramount then in New York, 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:40.520 New York, the first. 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:44.239 The first was in New York, right, Okay, So how 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.000 did that moment when the whole Tank clan came out 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.920 o dB, like like we got videotapes and all these 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:50.520 ships right there. 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:51.840 I had like we had to do a Best of 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.120 the Source Awards and I had to edit at all them, 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:55.960 so you know, we had to combine all this ship 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.400 and man, just sitting there editing and seeing all these 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.400 groups the biggest thing with me. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.480 Because I come from grouping hip hop and regardless of anything, 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:04.319 I love hip hop. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:10.040 Like I'm honestly like, for real, I. 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.879 Was in djeh Rock Shocking ray Dog. 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.439 That was your name, Rock Shocking ray Dog. 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.560 That's what you go back to, that name. 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.279 So so yeah, I know for Rell was like, you 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.920 know what I'm saying honestly like that, that's the essence 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.680 of hip hop. You know what I'm saying, DJ DJ 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.760 spending for the motherfuckers, you know, spending. 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.800 But this sousal Wards where Sug Knight, he was in 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.360 New York City? Did you did you know that was 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.160 probably the like the minute where the East coast West 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.840 coast beef not not not saying it sparked, but that 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.480 was the time it came on national front Like we 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.759 had always heard that, you know, there was this been 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:51.560 some beef brewing, But when Shug. 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.880 Came there, it was like it was timing. 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.080 That was just timing. 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.160 But did you guys, was you guys aware of that? 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.640 But it was timing. It was aware he was going 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:00.120 to say. 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.200 No, no, no, no, no no, it was gonna be tension. 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.160 We were aware something could have popped off because you 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:06.960 had heard the beaf or whatever. 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.359 Yeah, and we didn't have to what was crazy about 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.000 that particular one like we've had like the later ones, 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.400 we've had more time of security a lot of. 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.359 Times with the Nation of Islam. You know what I'm saying, 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:17.480 shouts the Nation of Islam. 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.239 You know are company, You've always dealt with security, They've 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.880 always handled it. But back then we really didn't have 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.560 a lot of security at that one. So something was 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.200 gonna jump off when all that ship was saying, when 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.759 Sugar saying all that and everything, that would have been the. 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.160 One to pop off because there wasn't a. 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.680 Gang of security yet now was. 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:36.120 We were just lucky note happened? 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:39.279 You know, crazy uh came on. 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:43.160 That was the first one that was that he did 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:44.400 out on Bell just snacked. 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.880 So so what happened so so so so so tribes 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.520 getting the war, you know what I'm saying, Will while 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.280 he's getting the war, Pocket is already setting up wherever 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:55.960 the sound man is bringing him. 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:57.799 That that was done. 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.400 We knew nothing about this guy, nothing about this nigga. 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:03.880 So the man went to the sound man, told the nigga, 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.359 Y know, you're gonna you're gonna put this in there 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.759 the out on bell song that da man or whatever. 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:09.239 So like they had him off. 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:10.400 Nobody knew that. 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.400 They just went and just had him hostage. 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.880 Yeah, they came back about twelve thirteen fourteen date, A 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:18.520 couple of niggas went right to the sound man. We 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.319 never knew this. This is you know what I'm saying. 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.680 I seen big sight and later on he told me 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.840 the whole ship. So but I from from my viewpoint, 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:27.560 went out there. I just remember him going up there 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.560 and then he grabbed because I was like kind of backstage, 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.000 and I remember I was back there with total and 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.759 then he just went up there and just you know, 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.000 Q Tip was saying the speech and just grabbed the ship. 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.920 Sit yo, throw that ship out on bail, and all 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:43.920 the niggas started. 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.360 And the music and my music came on. 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.800 He ripped that ship, and I remember backstage, I remember 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.719 what the niggas came back, one of them, at least 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.000 that slightly. The niggas was like one of the niggas 0:42:55.080 --> 0:43:01.360 was crying, like really upset, like fucked U, it's not 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:05.000 God rest the dead five the other one fight there 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.560 was two more got your rob the other one. 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.480 He was just upset, kicking over ship. 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:11.680 Just mad. 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:14.200 They was going to perform and it was presenting. This 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.760 was that big award, you know, second the award. 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:18.360 It just got it. 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.279 He just went to see how let me get. 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.240 That, you know, you know, as wild as the Saucer 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.040 Wards was, and as wild. 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:30.000 As audience though at that first yeah was when that happened. 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:34.480 Let's make some noise, big audiences. 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:39.080 Wild as the Sace Awards was, and as and as monumental, 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.719 there has never been somebody on that aspect. Nobody has 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:49.840 ever been able to hip duplicate no the Sauce Awards 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.000 in a hip hop version. I've never seen an award show. 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.520 I don't give a what happened in backstage. You guys 0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.640 held it together like in an award because it was 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:00.279 it was it was. 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.839 It was amount of respect for the magazine. They really 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.400 for the relation. Like I told you, the relationships like 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.520 it's hard giving, you know, dealing with artists and when 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.879 they get mics and when they you know what I'm saying, 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:12.640 because again I would have none to do with it 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.600 and motherfuckers could be mad at me because they didn't. 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:23.200 You know, I'm sorry. So anyways, you just made great shows. 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:28.080 I mean, but I'm gonna be honest. You guys are 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.080 my friends. You guys are my brothers. You got my family. 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.680 But I'm not saying that because of this. I sit 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.160 back and I watch award shows and just so happens. 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.600 There's never been award show presented as dope. 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:40.400 As the source awards. 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:41.440 I appreciate that. 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:43.879 Like I mean, I mean, I remember, I'm just keeping 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.800 it honest with you, like like like how do you 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.880 feel about that? Like do you think it could ever 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.880 be done? Or do you think that you guys do awards. 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.359 You have the blueprint, We had the blueprint, You still 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:55.960 got the blueprint. 0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:57.319 I'm saying. 0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.240 I'm saying as far as like we started the blueprint 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.040 all right, as far as giving great shows for artists 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.040 that probably wouldn't get the same type of coverage and 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.920 other award shows. Once Dave cleared it with the with 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:10.920 the networks to get on because remember it was on 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.239 B T U, p N thirty three. I mean, Dave 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.400 got it all over the place on major networks, on 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.239 cable networks, the social words for like, remember this was 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.160 just a TV show, right all that? Two of them, 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.000 two different and so sound labl Two times on Saturday, 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.560 Saturday afternoon, twelve o'clock, we gave ray j his first 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.600 TV show, Raiji was the first hopest first of all 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.040 TV was us shouts ray J it first. 0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:46.400 So what do you guys think of these award shows now? Like, 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.359 do you think these guys should hire you, like as 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.160 a consultant at least? Don't line? 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.560 Keep it, keep it one thousand. 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.680 You're gonna try to get that era either you can 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:01.839 you can't. 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:02.600 No, no, no no. 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.200 The problem is motherfuckers is scared to fuck with the 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.960 real ship. That's that always been the problem. It's always 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.800 the inability if we can't control certain motherfuckers and their cruise, 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.000 because it ain't easy, you know what I'm saying. But 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.400 it's like, but there's a way that you deal with motherfuckers. 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.160 We all know that, we all come from the street. 0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.080 We all know how to deal with everybody, you know 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:25.000 what I'm saying. But but, but but there's other people 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:26.160 who can't deal like that. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.200 They don't have that respect, they don't have that they 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.080 I think they don't even give it a chance. 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.239 You know what I'm saying, They already assume it's going 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.560 to be some crazy shit, not knowing this is going 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:36.799 to be. 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:38.120 There, they would they wouldn't even try. 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:47.640 Right. We never made a commercialing like political. 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:49.879 We just put the hottest street niggas on, like didn't 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:51.720 give a fuck what it was, all over the place. 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:53.640 And like when you when you go back and look 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.360 at them shows, them shows that go down history. 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:55.840 It's like what. 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.200 American Bandstand is going to be for rock because those 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.279 shows right there, all the Source Awards. It will never 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.960 be like that again, not like that. Not only that though, 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.000 but the most iconic groups were together. You know what 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:09.680 I'm saying, You a compone? 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.520 How about how about pun did you ever? He said? 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:14.680 And jerked me like the So that was crazy? 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.560 What did you think about that? That was jerked me 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:18.080 to the same. 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:20.719 Do you think you know who's you up against? 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:22.480 The shock one man. 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:28.319 Look at me and. 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:35.239 I think this is the situation, right, this gonna beat 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:40.000 me and big shout shot and shout that whole career. 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:42.640 You listen, at the end of the day, it was myself. 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:47.160 I'm not hating, but I'm bad of course because you're 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.359 I understand that would be I probably be Patty too. 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.800 But who else was up? You sid who else? I 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:57.040 just don't even being us, I don't remember. It was 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.880 like I don't know. 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.239 That's what made this what's great was that we could 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:05.520 so the Chakras the definitely international and at that time, 0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:08.279 I won't I won't hate, but you know I got love. 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:15.440 I love him the Shock but show hell, yeah, I don't. 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.400 Get what was in front of me, dazz because I 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.880 think grew up dropped the album. I think Dad's anchor 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.839 up was there that day. We all looked at each 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:25.600 other like, yo, what's up? 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.560 What up up? Like one of us is going up 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:29.800 to the shocks all. 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.120 Way another side that thing jumped up. 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:36.040 I was like, I was like, oh. 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:41.200 Oh no, the silk and yeah, and then the pun 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:41.640 made that. 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.080 Rung like did you what the pun said when he 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:47.000 said he said? So no, no, no, what the punt said? 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:47.719 When we y'all lost? 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:48.160 What do you say? 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.000 None of us said not to each other. We were 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:50.440 just like this. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:55.440 You know, they paid, you know, listen, the limit is 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.920 rich like I've never I still haven't got over it, 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:01.960 but yeah I want. 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.279 But that's you know, why I think that you guys 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:05.959 were so great. 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:08.640 You guys were doing It's just like, you know, us 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.000 doing this episode sometimes we might not know how great 0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:11.600 it is, but. 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.799 There's so many people that are young people. 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.640 Like when we got our viewers back and when you know, 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.600 people say, you know, we were doing like four hundred thousand, 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.600 and we were expecting people to say that. The viewers 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:25.480 they saying sixteen to twenty four, which lets people know 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.000 that if people want to go back and research these things. 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:28.600 You know what I'm saying. 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:32.920 I'm saying, So yo, you guys doing the most legendary awards. 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:36.200 You guys had the most legendary magazine. Now you guys 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.959 got Hip Hop Weekly, Like how did that come about? 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:41.839 Because it's like, what is that? Like, I don't want 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.239 to say gossip because that like downplays it or is it? 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.920 I mean, well, you know, after being gueted by the Feds, 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:51.960 going banquet, losing everything, motherfucker had to start thinking about 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.960 the future and what else that he knows and his 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:57.600 expertise that we knew that we was magazine man. 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.960 We knew that if we still funk with each other, 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.400 we had a chance. We still had the same connection 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:03.960 day still had the same distribution. 0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:07.319 So was there ever a time when you guys had 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:11.040 that the moment I see, you're just born up the fast. 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:14.320 But like when you guys said, man, maybe we should 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:17.360 separate to be so for sexual harassment, I mean you 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:23.560 get into we were supposed to talk about it, all right? No, No, 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:30.000 seven years, seven years. It was some crazy that it 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:30.520 was crazy. 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.720 We sat there in the federal building, they talking about 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.439 but this is a nigga's nuts in the federal court 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:35.960 down there. 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.120 Like that's crazy. That was crazy, right, crazy. 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:40.000 So. 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:42.440 Hold on. 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:51.680 Nuts never gotttle bit. But so we can't talk about 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:53.480 the sexual wressle I. 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:56.120 Mean, you know you know that like with the source, 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.480 Like it was my decision to give Kim to be 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.600 the first women editor and chieved for the magazine's mind 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.000 and she had been working in five years. I kind 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.520 of like looked beside the woman man thing and just 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.840 seeing that she was qualified. She was she was a 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:14.200 hell of a writer. Against popular demand, like this was 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.200 like an unpopular choice for me to do this. I 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.279 was looking over people and so I did it, you 0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:21.640 know what I'm saying. And man, we went on and 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:23.200 we had who. 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:30.200 Pulled me that drink. There's no more? Was it dying 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.440 of the most legendary guest? That was no? 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.600 No, first you know no, So I mean basically it 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:39.920 was just a situation where I've never seen anything like it, 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.640 you know. But what I noticed in business, like I've 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:44.800 learned being a part of business, because again I was, 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:46.879 I was a street nigga, you know what I'm saying, 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.440 selling drugs, and you know, I learned business and magazine 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:50.960 through day. 0:51:51.520 --> 0:52:01.200 Right, they've been filming food show for three days. No 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.200 but no, but no, but but every day sun. 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:06.000 But it was like but it was like a long 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.399 time beforeve and money from the sauce when the sauce 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.360 was made from Yeah, it was yeah, it's like so 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:10.840 I heard. 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.399 The sauce actually started from like a panther a pamphlet, right, Yeah, 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:19.240 let to take a newsletter to a thirty million company. 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.480 Be it's almost anredion dollars. 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:30.960 Makes a noise million everybody. I know how niggas work 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:31.600 one hundred million? 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:32.480 Man, come on, let's do it. 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:34.440 So that's crazy man. 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:34.880 And now. 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:41.160 And now, uh, so many people came from there. There 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:41.680 are people that. 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:43.960 Because I heard they was what you want to talk 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:52.359 about that directly Biggie common yo, Mysie height and then 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:54.640 they was in unsign height. Who else you said? Mob 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:59.320 deep in them? Bas was in the side, Biggie was 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.200 in unsigned. Now what. 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.440 Here you guys go? You guys finally make it. You 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.320 got a magazine that's popping. 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:11.360 Why did you even think about putting on the guys 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:13.320 that nobody cared about? Like when I was in the 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:15.920 outside of h nobody cared about me. But yet and 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.719 still you guys had the foresight to see that and 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:19.279 put that on. 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:25.160 Whose idea was that, Maddie c Maddie part that, Wow. 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.720 It wasn't Maddie see the guy who helped discover Biggie 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:28.040 as well? 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:39.400 Yea later on, but the original was like Maddie, I 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.880 mean honestly, Like to be honest, everybody that contributed to 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:44.960 the surce is a part of the success of the sauce. 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.720 Throughout all the chaos and everything, you can't take away 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.520 one's work, you know what I'm saying, one's body of work. 0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:53.759 And there was a lot of them, and it was 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:58.120 it was from young people who really lived and truly 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:02.040 what they thought and understand cared about hip hop. I 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:05.200 just think that in my opinion, Like, you know, as 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:08.480 the culture grew and it kind of like it was 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.120 that one at one point, then all of a sudden, 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.399 it started kind of branching off in its own form 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:15.680 in different places. That's when it was harder to keep 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:16.360 things together. 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:16.680 You know. 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:18.640 Day the Kids said something on our podcast. 0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:22.279 He said, hip hop is the only john world music 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.960 that has a south version, that has an East coast 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.880 version or right, a west coast right, So we did that, 0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:30.520 there's no west, but niggas did that. 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.719 Yeah, but what do you think that started. 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.240 Because of barrels? 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:41.960 Like you know what I'm saying from ball right. 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.719 But then it's funny because you can say that, like 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:46.719 if you in New York, you could be like, yeah, 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:48.440 we I'm from Queensbridge, I'm from left right. But then 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.600 if you go out of town, nigga from New York, well, 0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.920 I'm from motherfucking so I'm from LA. 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:57.200 So it turns from street to city to you know, 0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:58.600 if you go out the country to go from the 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:00.680 United States, you know what I'm so like, it's just 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.480 really it's it's you trying to it's us trying to 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:06.400 wrap something so hard that we're gonna give our lives 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:07.279 for it right. 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.880 Sometimes it don't be the right thing. You know what 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:11.319 I'm saying. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.680 You know, so you got stuff together? Man, you guys 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:18.520 have beat with Doctor dre Na No no, no, no, no, 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:22.640 not like that. Let me clear that up, win again. 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:24.520 Let me clear that up. Me clear that up. Clear 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:25.400 it up. Let me clear that up. 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:28.040 Within the whole, within the whole Eminem thing. Doctor, Let's 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.840 just get it. Doctor Dre is probably one of my heroes, 0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:36.680 like motivators, legends, I mean, influences everything to do with 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.560 hip hop, a lot of it, you know what I'm saying. 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.640 Other than Okay, New York is where I got my 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.360 hip hop from, but Doctor Dre had so much influence 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.080 from his production and just from the groups that he produced, 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.279 and me with my love of West Coast hip hop, 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:50.520 you know what I'm saying, because I loved it all. 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.200 It was the situation. Yeah, there was never beef with him, 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.400 and it necessarily wasn't a beef with Eminem. 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.719 Do you ever like just regret it, just like for what? 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.200 For what? It hasn't really changed my life, you know 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:03.640 what I'm saying. 0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:03.919 I don't. 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.560 I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't look back I. 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:10.279 Mean, I know, maybe in a way people could look 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.360 at it as it has, but it really hasn't. Like 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:15.640 I'm a hustling nigga that so cracked and drugs from 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:17.600 a corner and came from the projects. 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.960 So anything better than that is alright with me. You 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.040 know what I'm saying. I say that I'm not no nigga. 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.800 That's like I've had millions, I've had nothing and everything between. 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:27.960 I'm still seeing or been the same nigga. 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:28.680 That makes Loyd. 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:37.000 So back in the days, you guys like if you 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:37.879 was against. 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:39.000 The sauce, it was against the sauce. 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:42.239 But you guys like you were the first people who 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.200 to stand up against corporations. We heard rumors of Jimmy 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:47.000 Ivian off of you guys deals. 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:52.920 I mean, that was the whole eminemb that that was 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:55.400 the situation. Really, the whole thing with that was like 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:58.960 I just felt like with MTV cross and. 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:01.640 The source of the death jam, right, the sauce you 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.120 guys like for y'all, then you have the source like 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.200 compilation and it came out on that. 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.160 Like that's the first time I ever seen a four 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:12.200 and a half million dollar. 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:20.120 Check, Like, let's make some noise for that half somebody 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:23.680 walk up the apisphere. 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.520 Of the now compilations. 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:30.120 And a half. 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.560 I negotiated compilation. I negotiated that. 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:35.800 Okay, did you pay the artists on I negotiaate no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.840 I just gotta say, I'm sure they. 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:39.600 Do one of those. 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.600 I'm saying, you got you guys. I don't know why 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:43.760 you guys get a bad rap? 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:44.120 Why is it? 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:45.840 You know what it is before? 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:49.480 I mean, the thing is, you guys were so powerful 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:52.400 that it was easier to say you guys are bad 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:54.880 guys than it is for people to try to get 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:55.240 to know you. 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:57.880 And what I mean by that is if a person 0:57:58.040 --> 0:57:59.920 know that that ship is wack, or they know. 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:02.160 That they can't get at you, it's easier for them 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:04.800 to say, manham source niggas is whatever whatever. But the 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.360 minute you get in front you guys, you guys are 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.640 hip hop. A story is you guys are great people. Like, 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:13.120 why did you think you guys ever got the bad rap? 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:14.000 What's going on? 0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:17.320 Because we wasn't like again, we wasn't. We wasn't just 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:21.320 buying down you know, he wasn't going along with conform Yeah, 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:26.880 conforming conform I don't know that word. It wasn't going 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.400 along with and with the go along. It was like 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:32.440 the rebels and you know, with me, it's looking like 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.080 you know, because that's how the fans came in. They 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:37.120 thought I was straight. The guy got hit with all 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:40.240 kinds of money launder and extortion, and they thought that 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:42.840 I was the big drug deal of funding. And the 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.000 problem with that was the same thing with murder Inca, 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:46.800 is that I don't think the people really understood how 0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.200 many millions of dollars legally we were bringing in the 0:58:49.800 --> 0:59:01.480 See they're thinking or murdering y'alls thirty million. Yeah, So 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:05.080 so they just they just underestimated how much legal money 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.960 it was. They thought it had to be some big 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:10.439 unlegal operation because of all this money. 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:13.040 But that's what it was, because they was looking at 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:15.320 the tax situation after the after. 0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:17.520 The after the criminal broke down, I had dealt the taxes. 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:19.919 I took it to trial and ended up they found 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:21.920 me not guilty. I was one of the few to 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:24.080 be found out guilty. Of course I had to pay 0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.160 the still pay the fine, yea like one of the 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:30.000 fu to be a federal tax took it to the trial, 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:31.320 to the trial. 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:42.600 And you're still on your ground and you go to 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.600 trial right now. Yeah, they had so. 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:49.520 Look so they had accountant wired up and ship you 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:51.680 wir up. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That worked 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:56.680 at that, Davey, wait up, hold. 0:59:56.480 --> 1:00:01.120 On, that's what we wanted that they hired account Dave 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:04.200 hired the account, but he did. They approached three Dunkin 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:06.040 Donuts over the George Washington. 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.240 Bridge defens approasted account that you have. 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:13.400 Asked him high accounted, you know, I was Dunky Donuts 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:16.360 that first one on on on Roote four, the first 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:17.120 Dunkin Donuts. 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:18.960 And if he went in there, they sat with him 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:20.880 and they said, and he he's he he said. 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:22.200 The reason he did it because he thought it would 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:23.200 be excited to do. 1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:28.120 What he walked for six months and ship wait wait 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:34.040 tell men say what's he doing coming around? 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:34.600 You like just. 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:40.040 Like conversation talking about conversations. And I'd be like, yo, 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.560 check this out. I'd be like, my man, I don't 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:43.720 even know you, Dave. 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:44.200 You know what I'm saying. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:47.440 We talked patriots and jets, the patriots and Jets. Other 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.560 than that, I don't know you, So I don't talk 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:50.560 to you about nothing. 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:51.080 But you knew he was. 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:52.040 I don't know nothing. 1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:53.800 Just I just don't. 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:56.360 I just don't even be having these conversations with motherfuckers. 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:59.320 We ain't talking sports or some other ship. Motherfuck I'm 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:01.600 not sitting talking about taxes and all this other What 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:04.240 are you talking about? Man? That's what the fuck you 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:07.120 hided for. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, go talk today. 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:07.680 He hides you. 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:08.280 I don't know you. 1:01:08.280 --> 1:01:10.360 You know what I'm saying. And that's how it went 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.479 until the nigga came when when I was on trial, 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:15.440 he came in. He couldn't even look at me. I'm 1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:17.360 looking at this nigga like and it was always like, 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:19.040 it was always cool. I never did nothing to this 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:21.600 motherf I holly know him. How long was you working with? 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:24.840 Worked there? Good five six years life. 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:29.160 He is making like one hundred and fifty thousand years wire. 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:31.520 I was about to say, make some noise for him. 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:35.880 We gotta we got we gotta do something that's like 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:37.120 the opposite of making. 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:47.640 Yeah, that was See a lot of people don't understand, right, 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:49.800 look at I used to give people in the sauce 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:53.360 like real rail no no, no fuck five MIC's Reil 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:56.520 Diamond sauce change for the girls and for the. 1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:58.920 Guys that drilled diamond and ice from Jacob. 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:02.000 When we spent some money with Jacob, it wasn't ridiculous, man, 1:02:02.320 --> 1:02:04.080 Like we took care of about people. 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:05.040 You know what I'm saying. 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:06.840 We like, we took care. This was before all the 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:11.240 fakedam this is the real There wasn't for that, you 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:14.120 know what I'm saying, any ice, This is the real ship. 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:15.960 We were spending money taking care of niggas and like, 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:17.920 I don't know what it was, man, I just it 1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:21.280 was always an uphill climb for motherfuckers to really try to, 1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:23.960 you know, street niggas fuck with us. But it was 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:26.120 like the industry motherfuckers wasn't too many fuckers. 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:27.960 I knew you for so long. We lived in the 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:31.440 same building, and I've never heard the story of a niggah. 1:02:31.800 --> 1:02:32.840 Yeah, this is my first time. 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:35.040 I'm learning a lot, crazy, I'm learning a lot. 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:35.680 You gotta rush. 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:38.200 I just know one thing, though, is that the first 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:41.360 time I ever heard your neighbors in Carlito's Ways article 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:42.600 called you the way, that's. 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:43.080 What you call it. 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:45.919 I can't call them that job straight out of jail, 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:46.760 and the first time. 1:02:50.080 --> 1:02:52.280 I asked Carlo about Zeno soon as he got out 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:54.680 of jail. Yeah, hire him because we need niggas like 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:57.040 that out of like hire him. I was the one 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.280 to do the hip hop behind balls. That was my idea. 1:02:59.360 --> 1:02:59.960 You know what I'm saying. 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:04.480 So you high Coloro strip fresh straight remember, yeah? 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:09.320 Right yeah, look at well I don't see I mean 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:12.520 if they still holding grudges this song, Like, come on, 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:14.920 when you. 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:16.680 Say holding grudges, are you saying that? 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:20.400 Because because you're saying you have arguments, Every relationship has 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:23.360 an argument, whether it's your girl more than arguments. 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:26.920 Yeah, yeah, there was some thumps there a couple of days. 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:31.360 It was a couple of about it. I remember who 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:34.640 was the r c A Records it was, and then 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:37.440 the source guy, the Sauce niggas came up to the meeting. 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:39.080 We had an r c A Records were having a 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:39.959 meeting about our. 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:43.200 Op heard is a press day. 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:50.160 Album Games to Day on our state when when Clue 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.880 was the assistant there, okay r c A Records, Okay, 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:58.560 before he was DJ Clue, it was saying he was 1:03:58.640 --> 1:03:59.560 just getting you know what I'm saying. 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:04.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So they scheduled we didn't know what 1:04:05.040 --> 1:04:06.280 they scheduled the interview. 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:08.439 You know, hey were the shore said they were gonna 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:10.320 come and interview them. And then they came up there 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:13.000 with a subpoena and trying to surf. And when. 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:19.600 I heard something about it, they trying to boycott you. 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:24.560 No, no, this was another time that it was all related. 1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:26.840 They came to r c. 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:29.680 A offices and lied to give upstairs to our to 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:30.320 our press day. 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:31.480 We have all these pressures people. 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:34.960 The sauce that you guys are like four of them, 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:39.040 Reggie Dennis, James Bernard is a couple of them. They 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:41.400 came up there and they stood in front of like 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:43.560 it was on this big ass table. Now mind you, 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.720 we were happy, were with the people. A golf brooks 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:49.640 us up in the building ship like that. They already 1:04:49.680 --> 1:04:51.800 heard niggas was wild. They waiting like to throw us 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:52.760 out the building anyway. 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:56.400 Man CBS is ready to do to us. Just stole 1:04:56.480 --> 1:04:56.720 on them. 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:01.200 Next thing, you know, as he went through the glass window, 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:03.360 we got dropped from all the next week. 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:04.480 This makes a noise, y'all. 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:11.640 Keep the gangster. Sorry if you didn't know Drink Cash podcast, 1:05:11.720 --> 1:05:15.880 We make noise for the ignorance we love it over here. 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:17.800 If you just to take one parrol in here, you 1:05:18.000 --> 1:05:20.240 mad red man, I can tell you really put it 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:22.920 in work this week with me, because Yo, listen, I'm 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:25.840 mad black Rock. The case you didn't know I'm Black Ruck. 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:27.800 I was from The Fool Show man. It was a 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:29.960 part of our Food show. You the first person one 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:33.240 of the Food Show and the podcast in the same day. 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:35.280 This is what we're planning on doing with the podcast, 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:39.120 planning on traveling with the Fool Show, getting people on 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:39.800 the Food Show. 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:42.120 And then we had Scarface. Then today. 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:45.400 That's my god man, he went to the hospital. 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:49.040 Yall fucked them up as killing Scarface to that. 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:52.840 Contract. 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.160 If you eat some fun up ship that know, we 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:59.880 give you no nigga. I'm gonna be honest. Let's go. 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:02.680 It is crazy. He's alway's been crazy, but like in 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:03.840 a genius crazy. 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:09.160 He walked over his were like this. I was like, Oh, 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:12.680 I thought, that's like, how do you swell up? No, 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:16.880 it's just swallowup. If you can't breathe, it'll block up 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:17.120 you too. 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:19.840 You're so big up to facemall. That's my brother, man. 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:22.320 Thank you for coming to the full show. You know 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:23.640 what I mean, we're trying to get you on the 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:25.520 podcast tomorrow because you got to make it up to 1:06:25.560 --> 1:06:28.800 me and my brother. But hang, Hank, but listen, talk 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:32.680 to me. Do you think the sauce of feeling like 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:36.600 the sauce can ever be recreated? Like something like it, 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:41.120 like souls is natural and raw and you know, discovering 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:44.480 new talent, because I would say that it would be 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:47.160 this podcast, but then I would be lying because we're 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:49.520 not discovering new talent. We want to speak to legends 1:06:49.560 --> 1:06:52.800 and people got these nineties stories, So it can any 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.120 form of shape or fashion. Can the sauce ever be 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:59.760 created where people like if listen in case you guys, 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:03.240 did you know, well it was said in the source 1:07:03.680 --> 1:07:08.640 it was the word of God, Like nobody can dispute it. 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:15.120 If CNN got four mics, that's it, nobody disputes it. 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:18.440 Can any format could ever recreate that? 1:07:22.000 --> 1:07:23.439 I'm glad you time. 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:24.919 I don't. 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:27.320 I don't think so you think that can happen. 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:31.120 It's possible only because like there's really nothing out there 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.040 right now that's you know. 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:37.720 Has like a great voice for the culture. There's nothing 1:07:37.920 --> 1:07:40.640 really there, you know, there's world star. 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:49.360 Webs unorganized a digital format. It has to be everything 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:53.400 that's a combination of digital, TV P. It has to 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:56.280 be a combination of everything and really multimedia to really 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:58.760 get across. But but like with that has to come 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:01.480 trust then who's doing it. You see, a lot of 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:03.800 these things that you're talking about all becomes the trust 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:06.240 and the comfortableness of the person with the people who 1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:08.920 are doing it, how much experience they have, how much 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:12.600 credibility they have, and and and and and and how 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:15.400 and how many people they can cross over because it's 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:18.200 so it's so many different areas of hip. 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:21.040 Hop and now, man, it's not like unified like so 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:24.360 not only it's territorialized, but it's also sectioned off within 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:26.800 the territory. So you know what I mean, it's just 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:28.880 it's just a matter of how you try to come 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:29.240 and do it. 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:31.280 I mean, you know, I feel like me and David 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:34.160 put in enough work that you know, like, well, you know, 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:36.120 we're in talks right now for hip Hop with your 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:37.800 TV show, I think you know. 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:38.519 I mean. 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:41.960 No, no, no, no, not that because it's not about 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:45.160 necessarily that, but we want to do it more like 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:47.280 a magazine show, like how we did before The Source 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:49.960 magazine where entertainment tonight. 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:52.160 You know what I'm saying, you actually have to get 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:54.400 these guys and signed off because TMZ don't we have 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:55.080 to get these guys? 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:57.200 Well no, we we We could actually do that too, 1:08:57.400 --> 1:09:00.240 like if we go on location somewhere, but usually it's 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:02.000 just blurbs of you know, like yeah, like you know 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:04.000 what I'm saying, you would get but all them signing. 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:06.040 Off because I seen you guys were kind of early 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:08.120 on that, like doing the first time I ever heard 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:11.160 first Ribby mars was about to be released from prison. 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:14.360 I've seen it on Hip Hop Weekly. Like your camera 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:18.640 guy was out there. He was like like like like 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:21.519 everybody else said Rebby Marle was about to be released. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.360 I didn't believe it. I look at you. 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:25.000 You know what I'm saying. 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:25.280 I was. 1:09:25.439 --> 1:09:27.080 I was on the road somewhere and I looked at 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:30.439 hip Hop Weeklies and every time hip Hop Weekly was on, 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:35.479 point was posted something. Everything that y'all posted was one accurate. 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:36.000 Other reps. 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:37.400 We're going to have that on TV. 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:40.320 See that should be on just like how CNN got it. 1:09:40.760 --> 1:09:43.040 But you know what I'm saying, that's that's what we're 1:09:43.080 --> 1:09:45.680 trying to do. And like I said, look, love us, 1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:48.840 hate us or anything between. You can't take away our 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.280 experience in this game. I mean, we've lived through all 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:54.479 these decades of hip hop and it's changed dramatically and 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:57.000 we're still here, you know, and you know that ain't bragging. 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:59.040 That's just a testament to just try to be a 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:01.320 part of the culture and standing the culture, you know 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:03.479 what I'm saying. You know, So like no matter what, 1:10:03.960 --> 1:10:06.400 you know what I'm saying, like we we we think 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:09.519 that if we can get when we get hip hop 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:12.640 weekly on TV and get the show, So that's when that's. 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:15.800 Going to be the beginning of Now you met lions Gay, right, 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:17.519 I met with Lion's Gey. 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:20.200 Yes, I've been. I've been all through Hollywood with that, 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:24.000 you know what I'm saying, Like shock him a few times. 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:25.280 But you know what it's like, Like we have talked 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:26.479 to some people, like you know what I'm saying, Like 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:28.800 right now, there's a lot of networks that's looking for real, 1:10:29.280 --> 1:10:31.920 like with Empire being so big, there's a lot of 1:10:32.000 --> 1:10:34.479 networks that's you know what I'm saying, looking at Black 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.200 culture like hey, we better fuck with them, you know 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:39.000 what I'm saying, Looking at love and hip hop numbers 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:40.439 and those are big numbers. 1:10:40.439 --> 1:10:42.559 No, no, no, that's a question I'm going to ask you, Dave. 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:48.799 You know he's always been your partner. You guys are friends, 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:50.920 you guys are brothers. But how did you feel the 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:52.800 first time he told you he was going to do 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:53.559 love and hip hop? 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:54.240 I mean some ice? 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:58.439 How did you feel about that? I mean, I supported it. 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:00.880 We just moved to Atlanta and then and that one 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:04.040 thing that to another, and uh, he told me about it. 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:08.040 And because love hip hop was an accident, it was 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:10.639 it wasn't that big when you at an accident? 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:11.600 What do you mean by that? 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:13.720 I'm saying, like, you know, me and Stevie have been 1:11:13.760 --> 1:11:15.599 working around. I've been living I was living down here, 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:18.519 Stevie come fuck with me. Steve was staying like I'll 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:19.320 come up to John. 1:11:20.800 --> 1:11:22.559 Yeah, yeah, right, So you. 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:24.320 Know what I'm saying, Like it was, you know I 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:29.640 went up there Atlanta, Alma Dale Listen. I know I'm don't. 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:35.280 You guys had a question. 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:37.040 You guys had a club. 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:37.280 Listen. 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:38.479 The first time I ever got. 1:11:38.479 --> 1:11:45.640 Maded club, I got made infamous. Let me tell you 1:11:46.840 --> 1:11:49.240 by me and you don't really know each other, but 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:51.600 you and Jo all right, this is the funk. This 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:54.120 is the crazy lived each other. That is the crazy 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:59.920 in the world. Jobbro Yo, you gotta be quiet, man. 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:06.320 Ja ru I moved from Left Rack right to West Orange, 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:13.439 New Jersey. Right Jo Rule also all right, y'all. 1:12:13.520 --> 1:12:17.200 Rul also moves to West Orange, New Jersey. From there, 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:27.000 Joh moved saddle Brook correct River, I'm sorry, Sada River 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:31.960 live next to you, and then me and you somehow 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:35.240 both moved to Miami and they connected us. 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:37.240 What I'm saying, we all lived like him and John 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:37.840 stayed around. 1:12:38.000 --> 1:12:40.400 Just to break it down for people that didn't understand 1:12:40.479 --> 1:12:42.880 that him and John stayed around, lived next door to 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:44.760 each other. Then me and joall live next door to 1:12:44.760 --> 1:12:47.120 each other. The me and No we live next so 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:49.160 we all at some point then as we're living next 1:12:49.200 --> 1:12:51.120 door each other, we all got kids around the same age, 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:53.880 so they all fucking with each other, and we get close, 1:12:54.000 --> 1:12:55.920 you know what I'm saying, and we start dealing with 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:58.040 each other's situations. You know, we coming to each other, 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:00.200 because that's really when I was down here, you know 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:02.160 what I'm saying. I mean, really, you know, going through 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:07.759 everything relationship proms, problems with ship, we are just with everything. 1:13:08.120 --> 1:13:09.160 We would we were, we. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:11.439 Would talk because we really we both came down here 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:12.760 like it's not like we. 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:15.080 Was in the same boat. We want we wanted, we 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:18.880 want to get over right exactly. You know what I'm saying. 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:19.960 So you know what I mean. 1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:21.479 So we would confide each other in a lot. 1:13:21.560 --> 1:13:24.639 You know about you is when I'm when I'm negative, 1:13:24.840 --> 1:13:25.799 you would be positive. 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:32.600 I'm positive though, and that was that we could up. 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:34.760 They weren't talking, man, Yeah, it's dope, you know what 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:35.160 I'm saying. 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:38.240 But that's how we got to be so cool really 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:40.920 because we all spent time with each other. And then 1:13:40.920 --> 1:13:42.360 when you spend time with each other, it's just not 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:44.439 you're gonna tell them, motherfucker what you want to hear. 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.599 You're gonna tell him what you think is best for him, 1:13:46.600 --> 1:13:48.600 because that's the best type of friend. You know what 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:50.559 I'm saying. You know what I mean, You know, tell 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:52.559 him what they want to hear. You tell him what's 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:54.639 best for you, even if they're gonna get matched. Fucking 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:57.120 we don't talk for a week, two weeks, fucking nigga. 1:13:57.200 --> 1:13:58.760 I gotta say that because I care about you know 1:13:58.760 --> 1:13:59.120 what I'm saying. 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:13.799 It's the same thing with everybody makes a noise, rabund. 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:12.360 To take a shot, take a shot of something you 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:14.680 know you're actually hear. I thought she was going to 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:17.000 like make up excuse, I'm just going to act. 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.400 Like, look, this is on me. That's zeno. 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:23.080 Oh yeah, chase your fucking rabbit. Yeah yeah, chase your 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:27.439 rab yeah, zino drink Yeah, I have been pressed. 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:30.960 I don't a fucking rabbit. 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:34.240 Yeah yeah, chase your rap. I don't drink, but you know, 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:36.679 you know when it has to be done. 1:14:37.040 --> 1:14:40.040 Huh. You know you know what I that's your fucking rabbit. 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:43.360 Listen, that's almadell Just so you know what's that with that? 1:14:43.520 --> 1:14:44.280 No this is playing? 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:46.880 Oh, it's it is. I thought, oh, I thought that 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:49.240 was Dave's cup. I was like, oh, you're just going hard. 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:52.439 That's gonna chase drinking up and chase up. I was like, 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:53.960 I'm chasing my rabbit. 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:55.400 That's a nonsense. 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:56.320 You know. 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:58.879 I gave Nae sixty five thousand dollars check. 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:00.360 The stars, and that never came him out. 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:04.280 Oh wait, wait, sixty five sacks for verse that never 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:05.400 can get to this story? 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:15.800 Right, yo? What kind of art? You ain't even do it? 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:21.439 How did this story happen? No, it was just he 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:23.680 was the hottest funk. I wanted the verse from him, 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:26.680 had the money. But now that we was in California 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:28.560 after the Steve was fucking with him, you know what 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:30.160 I'm saying. So probably Steve boy to hook it up. 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:32.160 And then man, he just came up and I never 1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:34.479 forget gave it to him. He spent the verse and bounced. 1:15:34.520 --> 1:15:36.000 I said, we just say too much to each other. 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:38.400 He just got the sixty five vans and kept moving. 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:40.599 We just never I just never used the verse on nothing. 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:44.800 You know what I'm saying. That it's around matter face 1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:45.719 on YouTube somewhere. 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:47.960 Oh okay, so you did use the word. I put 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:50.320 nothing to put out to get sold en right, just 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:53.920 like I don't know, you're foul, I don't know. You 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:55.240 gotta start looking out for yourself. 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:00.639 Dows verse. 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:03.599 I don't care if it's from then till now. It's 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:06.000 at least from twenty to sixty bands. It's always worth 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:09.800 that sixty five bands, sixty five? So how hot was 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:10.519 he at that time? 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:11.800 Oh? He killed the verse? 1:16:12.000 --> 1:16:13.960 But you know, but but like the Boston niggas, you 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:15.800 know what I mean, Let me ask you all that ship, 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:17.080 your ship, all that product. 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:17.880 Let me ask you. 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:21.080 Something like the thing about it if a new artist 1:16:21.200 --> 1:16:23.559 came out Now I'm not talking about then. I mean 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:25.960 I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about then, like 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:27.599 if a new what is that noise? 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:30.400 What is that keep you hearing? What is somebody clicking something? 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:31.160 Still? 1:16:31.720 --> 1:16:33.320 All right, tell them niggas shut the fuck up. 1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:39.360 Listen, Son is drinking, We drinking ball and then we 1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:40.599 go this and winning Wood. 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:46.840 We going eating Koyo bar or Winwood tavern or when like, let's. 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:47.280 Go with drinking. 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.080 You can have a couple of fun. That's an average drink. 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:59.240 Your fuck, he was as man, he's. 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:06.000 Now listen. Yeah, you know you're my friend. We're clothes. 1:17:06.560 --> 1:17:09.520 I come to your crib one day, living a diplomat, 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:12.439 easiest creb I one hundred percent. 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:16.240 Give me your rolls number, give me right now. I'm 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:17.040 right in. 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:22.760 We're hanging out with barbecuing. You're the first person to 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:23.880 bring pork in the house. 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:26.920 Yeah, I brought a big park shoulder. 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:28.479 I didn't even know that. 1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:33.360 Shoulder with Atlanta orange and you based it. 1:17:33.720 --> 1:17:36.120 I thought he was playing was bringing a pork shower. 1:17:36.880 --> 1:17:42.760 All I forgot he's running on like it was like, 1:17:42.920 --> 1:17:46.160 you know, he wanted me to keep in the living room. 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:47.400 He didn't want to keep. 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.559 He was like the smells the right. 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:54.679 Let's get. 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:58.519 What what happened that day? Like that's what. 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:00.680 You're into the polk shoulder. No, I mean you know 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:02.920 what I'm saying, like, no, I'm sure we got some 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:04.200 fellows in there fucking port. 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:05.360 But you be on and off. 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:07.880 You be on and off. I remember, like for you 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:09.760 is in your blood? You put them for a year. Bro. 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:12.439 Yeah, he was like you like, I ain't park no more. 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:14.400 It wasn't I in beef. Neither pok is the food 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:14.920 of the gods. 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:17.040 Talk about it, man, let me tell you about. 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.720 Listen to this show. Take every piece of port and 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:23.240 make that ship taste good man. 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:26.040 This is how you know, like I know that rand 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:29.760 Yaka and Dave Mays is the blackest Jewish people we know. 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:32.960 Neither want of no celebrated passed over yesterday. 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:33.880 That makes no noise, for that. 1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:38.920 Was the week before no we went to we went 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:39.639 to that I did. 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:41.120 He was he was Paris. 1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:44.640 Wait wait didn't we go to the Let me tell 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:45.040 how power? 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:48.120 Listen? Listen, let me tell how powerful Jewish people is 1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:49.719 we went to the W Hotel. 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:55.960 Jewish people makes everybody man usually be around us. Mom, 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:58.519 you got to keep a Jewish guy around. He's been around. 1:18:59.080 --> 1:19:01.080 That's a rule. Got keep it Jewish die right. 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:02.920 But let me just tell you how crazy it was. 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:06.280 We went to the W Hotel, were filming the food show. 1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:08.880 Went to the W Hotel for saying I can't film 1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:11.000 my neckls hurt. So we went to the W Hotel 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.960 and fought lad to that man and we tried to 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:16.840 use the bathroom and they was like, they rented it 1:19:16.920 --> 1:19:20.080 out for ten days for Passover, so nobody else could 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:21.880 rent it out. I've never seen no other race do that. 1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:23.920 Espeke some noise for the Jewish people for keeping a. 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:30.040 Jewish No, no, they said. 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:33.120 Down the whole W hotel they all out, there was 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:34.880 nothing but Kosha food being served. 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:36.920 There was no alcohol for those days. 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:39.320 Correct. We was like, yo, it's the bar open. It 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.840 was like, no, it's Passover. Is anybody in the Jewish 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:44.240 other than Day, Let's make a noise to day being 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:45.040 the only Jewish guy. 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:49.519 Come steps on, Dave. 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:52.320 I'm gonna start with you, Dave, because you know, is 1:19:52.400 --> 1:19:55.120 there anything you regret besides the Internet, because we got 1:19:55.160 --> 1:19:55.320 to that. 1:19:55.520 --> 1:19:57.559 Is there anything you ever regret that. 1:19:57.640 --> 1:19:58.160 You could do it? 1:19:58.320 --> 1:19:59.920 We can't have no regrets, you know what I mean? 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:00.679 No regrets. 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:02.840 That's a real nigga ship that makes a noise to 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:03.880 day being black. 1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:06.960 Right there? 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:11.679 You got any regrets? Man, I can't think of anything. 1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:12.160 You know what I'm saying. 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:14.760 Probably probably you know, of course you want to be 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:15.400 smart about it. 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:16.880 You know what I'm saying. I probably you don't got 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:18.160 to be smart, but we ate them in here. 1:20:18.479 --> 1:20:21.120 But but but still, but if you look back, But 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:22.960 if you look back and you can say, yeah you 1:20:23.000 --> 1:20:26.000 could if you're not even it's about yourself. When you 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:27.839 look at your kids and you look at their futures, 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:29.280 you know what I'm saying, Then you start have to. 1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:32.400 Be talking about music and music musically yeah, music, but 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:34.800 like you know, like in the business musically now you know. 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.280 I mean to be honest, I think I never got 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:40.559 a real shot because of all the controversy with my music. 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:44.760 Like people don't know that I produce the intro on 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:46.240 Naza Stealmatic album. 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:48.200 Waitut what I'm saying? 1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:48.800 You know. 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:54.680 I'm still man, it's the trained overlyon you know what 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:59.920 I'm saying on the Stacey lot is, sir, that's hangman three. 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:04.160 You see that me two times? Like yeah, google that 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:07.719 right now, Google that, man. Let's get us as brocks. 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:09.280 You're not gonna eat no pork grounds on my show 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:12.000 Birth version bough. Hold on, I'm going to cooke shoulder 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:12.479 to my crew. 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:14.200 I don't even know if those are your pork rinds. 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:15.080 No, they ain't. 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:17.240 Pull through ships. 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:23.519 I'm not anybody. Because this is the mall, this is 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:23.960 the ball. 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:26.599 Then they offer those let me let me see if 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:29.600 they official park ground just open up. 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:38.120 Yeah, yeah, because it's a ball, you know. Usually, So, boy, 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:39.160 how did you produce that? 1:21:39.320 --> 1:21:41.400 How did who caught you? 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:42.000 Steve stout? 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:43.120 Again? Steve got you? 1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:45.760 Steve, You're getting a lot of love on my show. 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:48.479 We've done a lot of ship with Steve and Steve, you. 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:49.600 Know our relationships. 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:52.519 So I'm allowing the love to be spread with all 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:54.000 that tailing of American ship. 1:21:54.120 --> 1:21:56.240 Steve, what happened with the tan of America? I'm not 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.799 you're feeling that I've never seen anything. 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:03.760 No America command It's only this ain't no tanning of America. Man, 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.160 I don't believe in that, man. You know what I'm saying, 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:12.520 I'm sure Steve to Steven means that the white agencies 1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:16.840 and the white companies are now except accepting certain black 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:20.200 you know, right, But that's bullship because they really ain't 1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:22.200 you know what I'm saying, because they really ain't fucking 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:26.679 with us. See it's us that that that got the juice. 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:29.760 It's the middleman and the middleman above them well usually 1:22:29.760 --> 1:22:32.200 get them credit for it. That's just how it is. 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.400 So that's what means the tanning of a memical. 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:39.200 I didn't see that ship. I have no idea what 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:39.880 we're talking. 1:22:40.439 --> 1:22:46.560 He rose big of I guess big. But look he 1:22:46.680 --> 1:22:48.639 knows our relationship. But I'm not dissing them. 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:51.200 So this is this is a wonderful thing, man, But 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:52.400 you don't agree with that. 1:22:52.800 --> 1:22:53.320 Don't get what? 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:58.080 What was just talking before that? Something before that? Steve 1:22:58.160 --> 1:22:59.120 st No, It's like. 1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:03.840 Of the song still Mada. So how did that? 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:04.160 So? 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:05.200 Who called you to? 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:07.600 We probably did it through Steve, But but the s 1:23:07.800 --> 1:23:09.920 is that we also produced the one with you and 1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:13.879 Prodigy that went gold. Right now, okay, double. 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:17.439 Plast is a classic album. How did this call happen? 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:19.600 What did they asked you to do an intro. We 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:23.320 gave some beats and and l E. S Elliott and 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:25.560 we gave a beat. Shout out to d J l 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:27.840 E s l E S my Man w l E 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.479 s l E S. We gave l E s the beats. 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:32.720 You know what I'm saying, Lets hear him. That's the 1:23:32.760 --> 1:23:33.160 one they want. 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:35.679 And wasn't the guy at that time, So it wasn't Steve. 1:23:35.760 --> 1:23:37.719 It was l E. S. My mistake. 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:38.519 It was l E. S. 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:40.360 And that's not the reason he got five mics. 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:43.040 No, no, should have got five mics. 1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:44.960 That album was. 1:23:45.040 --> 1:23:52.200 Come on, it's still Mad'm saying, man, still Maden? You 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:52.720 still here? 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.840 That was a double plas God, damn mas you talking 1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:57.400 about illic? 1:23:57.439 --> 1:24:01.519 That's what that was the classic that was. That's still maddic. 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:08.040 I'm thinking, No, no crazy? Are you crazy? That's my 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:14.320 first song article magazine I ever bought. I could never 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:16.400 be more proud of to be from Queens at that 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:21.800 very moment, because I remember seeing NS in Brooklyn Queen's 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:23.360 Day back in the days we should do something called 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:27.439 Brooklyn Queen's Day in Flushing Metal Plark and I see 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:30.439 I was booked to perform and he came out and 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:32.320 did live at the Barbecue, and it came out with 1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:35.760 this dude with a you know, we call him Fishermen's 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:38.600 and he killed it, you know what I mean. And 1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:40.800 then they was doing all this crazy. It's just so 1:24:40.920 --> 1:24:43.000 that's the you know, for me to see that as 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:47.439 a chap go to jail. See this same kid got 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:50.160 five mice. I knew what the mic system meant because 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:52.679 I was an Outcast fan of Outcast was the only 1:24:52.760 --> 1:24:55.559 other people I've seen prior to that, I believe, because 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:59.960 Southern Playlistic, Cadillact, whatever whatever that album is came out 1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:02.880 came out before ill Matic, correct, because I think that 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:03.800 came out ninety one. 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:10.080 He want to google that came first? Well, well whatever, 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:11.160 who got five mikes? 1:25:11.200 --> 1:25:15.800 Maybe? Well whoever got five mikes before that? Then nas 1:25:15.920 --> 1:25:18.000 got five mice. I was in the jail walking through 1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:21.920 niggas at that time. In the jail I was in, 1:25:22.160 --> 1:25:25.479 it was either Buckshot Shorty or not. Obviously I was 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:28.160 on NA side. I did like Buckshot Shorty, and he 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.280 wound up his baby mother about black Moon. 1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:30.760 Excuse me. 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:33.800 His big mother was actually from Left Rack. So I 1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:35.639 wound up being cool with him. But in the jail 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:38.920 at that time, it was like you either Naso or 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:41.560 Black Moon, and obviously I picked the nine side. And 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:44.599 when that article came out, I just walking through the jail, 1:25:45.720 --> 1:25:49.240 nigga my check like it was the and kr Rest. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:51.519 We had Kara Rest on the show and Karen. 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:53.880 Resh said that he basically said, well, if that didn't 1:25:53.920 --> 1:25:58.200 come out, you know, he said Queen's Bridge, which which 1:25:59.000 --> 1:26:02.679 he said Queen's Bridge would never revived. But he didn't 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:06.280 understand that what he meant was queens might not never revived, 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:11.519 So that that quo. Yeah, but but but but there 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:14.400 was a lot of that album from that album restored 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:20.400 the the pride, the I don't even know the other 1:26:20.600 --> 1:26:22.960 they restored like us to be like, you know, walk 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:26.360 outside and go go eat in Brooklyn and go eating 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:31.000 and whatever. But it all started from when people seeing 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:34.679 that he got five mice, five mice, and then you do, guys, 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:37.760 do a wonderful story of the producers. You remember that 1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:41.080 for all the producers it was involved like that was 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:47.240 that was legendary. Like journalism isn't conducted like that no more. 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:49.639 It's not that serious. 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:57.320 Normal, it's not that serious because everything's everything fast, music faster. 1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:58.680 So what you think about that? 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:01.720 I mean, mean, you know the way I look at 1:27:01.760 --> 1:27:01.960 it is. 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:03.400 I mean, you know you have it's it's just the 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:06.400 sign of the times, you know, right, everything is fast. 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:08.080 I mean the good thing is that we lived in 1:27:08.160 --> 1:27:11.599 those times. So I just appreciate how I know those times. 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:14.160 Just because it ain't here no more, don't mean you 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:15.599 can't still celebrate it because you've been. 1:27:16.000 --> 1:27:17.840 We're celebrated right now. That's what we're doing on drinking, 1:27:23.240 --> 1:27:25.439 you know, man, I'm gonna just tell y'all, man, hold on, 1:27:26.160 --> 1:27:29.920 this is the look at that. I just I really 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:32.400 need to eat a pork ring on my shoulders. Why 1:27:32.439 --> 1:27:39.720 do you know this is Sonny? Join you gay, I'm 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:41.600 gonna give you five with the walk fan with the 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:42.160 pork hands. 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:45.640 I'm gonna give you with the body. You don't know 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.160 why because park don't go step. 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:49.799 Because these motherfuckers is crunchy. 1:27:50.280 --> 1:27:51.400 Don't really know it's good. 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:54.320 Just good, give me hot five with the work. You 1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:57.280 give me the work. I'm gonna say that I don't mind. 1:27:57.280 --> 1:27:58.720 I don't mind. I don't mind. 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:01.080 So he got a question. 1:28:01.160 --> 1:28:02.760 I feel like you was gonna go When we were 1:28:02.760 --> 1:28:05.720 talking about the eminem situation, like, I felt like you 1:28:05.840 --> 1:28:07.960 was gonna say something like you was going in the 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:10.559 direction of saying that you didn't have no problem. 1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:13.559 It wasn't no problem with him because I really don't 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:14.120 understand him. 1:28:14.160 --> 1:28:15.200 It was just a gun. 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:15.920 You know. 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:20.439 MTV was just taking on the hip hop and I 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:23.720 felt like, you know, big, this is where hip hop 1:28:23.800 --> 1:28:26.160 can finally, you know what I'm saying, start getting some money. 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:29.479 You understand. Look when drugs and guns ravaged and I 1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:32.400 say this, the communities, hip hop was there to give 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:34.720 niggas a job. You like, niggas was making money off 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:35.200 of hip hop. 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:39.080 Man, that's a d M said DMX said rappers whacky. 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:42.559 He sometimes he supports them because this rapper is given 1:28:42.560 --> 1:28:43.000 at least no. 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:44.559 Six to eight people at job. 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:47.120 My nigga, you come out of jail back then to 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:47.679 get a job. 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:47.960 Yo. 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:50.639 They ain't like that no more, you know. So it's 1:28:50.720 --> 1:28:52.519 just a fact that I just felt like. 1:28:54.920 --> 1:29:00.439 They wanted to use a situation where the white audience 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:07.240 had its own image, you know, to really be at 1:29:07.240 --> 1:29:09.840 a high level of hip hop with I was saying, 1:29:10.439 --> 1:29:14.280 the white people are already buying into the hoods in 1:29:14.400 --> 1:29:18.479 the black and Latino communities with hip hop. They don't need, 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:19.280 we never need. 1:29:19.360 --> 1:29:22.040 Like Beastie Boys, was this shit. Nobody gave a fuck 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:24.400 if there was white black birther lit brown. 1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:28.720 Third Days niggasre like you didn't see hip hop made 1:29:28.720 --> 1:29:31.439 it where you didn't see no color. When Eminem came, 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:34.000 he's a white rapper. You know what I'm saying, They 1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:34.360 did that. 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:36.959 I did the white rapper show. I regreted it immediately, 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:37.320 but you. 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.280 See, but it has nothing to do it. It has 1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:42.799 see because the effects of that. I knew the effects 1:29:42.800 --> 1:29:44.840 of that, of what it is. Now this kid's twit 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:47.439 me now, like who's thirteen, fifty, twelve years old? 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:48.320 All eighty three old? 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.240 Fake al Pacino? All you Eminem killed you. 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:54.160 I'm like little nigga. You don't even know eminem music, 1:29:54.760 --> 1:29:56.559 Like little Man, you don't even know his music. 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:58.880 You're just taking on what you're seen on YouTube and 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:07.719 automatically avoctating to that black against white ship. The issue 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:12.480 was I felt that that they were using his situation 1:30:13.760 --> 1:30:18.280 all right to separate hip hop to like you know 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:20.920 what I'm saying, to separate hip hop from the audience, 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:23.559 you know, from from from white black audience. I mean, 1:30:24.400 --> 1:30:25.600 and then of course, you. 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:29.280 Know, like Jimmy Ivan off with you five hundred thousand. 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:32.160 That good now, Jimmy, Jimmy when when you know, we 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.280 was when I was going on. We had met with 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:36.000 Jimmy a couple of times, and you know what I'm saying, 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:38.160 Jimmy didn't want no problems. You know, Jimmy and I 1:30:38.520 --> 1:30:42.360 had actually done deals with Jimmy. It was cool, man, 1:30:42.400 --> 1:30:43.560 It was what was? 1:30:43.640 --> 1:30:44.920 It was like I just. 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:48.400 He was with me. 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:49.759 Was again. 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:52.320 I was just this rebel that was like. 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:55.479 Look, you know, because you gotta remember these kids had 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:57.240 came up out of nowhere. 1:30:57.280 --> 1:31:00.120 These was his boys that came to the magazine with 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:02.160 the tape. They had been trying to sell the tape. 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:06.160 Yeah, oh the gods from Detroit. Yeah, they had the tape. 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:06.720 You know. 1:31:06.840 --> 1:31:08.800 I was in Puerto Rico and Dave called me. It 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:10.400 was like the dude are in the office, like on 1:31:10.520 --> 1:31:12.639 the next flight, and they had been trying to sell 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:14.000 the tape over the year. 1:31:14.120 --> 1:31:17.680 Now, these was his boy and do you believe that 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:20.680 the story like that he said, he said it was 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:23.519 only happened because he had a black girlfriend. 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:26.720 It's not, it's not it's not for me that Yeah, 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:29.599 I don't know, you know what I'm saying. Wait wait, wait, 1:31:29.640 --> 1:31:32.080 hold on? What was made up? Was made that story? 1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:35.160 That was that he had a black girlfriend. So you 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:37.720 you did the research and you absolutely we did a 1:31:37.800 --> 1:31:40.639 lot of research when we did the whole story. Yeah, 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:46.560 and that was folks. Absolutely, this is crazy. Nobody, I 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:47.680 don't think nobody never knew that. 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:50.760 I mean, come on, man, but it's. 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:53.439 Cool, right, it's cool. Man. Him is a great guy. 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.800 I met him, I met him once. He's cool. That's 1:31:56.840 --> 1:31:58.840 what it was, you know, like when you really get 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:01.680 down to it. We never met each other to make 1:32:01.720 --> 1:32:02.840 it personal, you know. 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:06.120 So I mean, I mean, of course, when when when 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.960 you're going back and forth on record, you're going to 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:09.759 take shots at each other as everybody. 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:13.800 He was used to separate the culture and to you know, 1:32:14.720 --> 1:32:17.519 take it, you know, with the the white audience always 1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:20.680 was the largest audience of hip hop going back to 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:21.360 the eighties. 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:22.719 Right see. 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:32.400 You again, me, seventy eighty percent of the buyers of 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:35.679 those albums Use albums was white people. 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:37.679 They was there the whole time. 1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:41.320 But eminem was used as a way to take those 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:47.160 who's white people and instead of making them instead of 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:51.120 making them the followers of the culture and the followers 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.680 of the streets. Okay, now those people are used to 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:59.160 basically control and dictate the culture to where the streets 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:00.880 don't have I don't say no more. 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:04.479 That's pretty much what eminem time. 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:08.880 When corporate radio comes in, now they can just cater 1:33:09.040 --> 1:33:13.280 to that, right and then separate the audience. 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:16.360 But is there a problem with that? Of course there is, 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:19.160 because that takes that takes money out of the hood. 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:23.759 But the same people, the same people who are buying 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:25.880 from the hood and don't have to no more. But 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:28.240 who is they when you say that they are using him? 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:30.400 Is it the same people that DJ College is talking about. 1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:33.479 They don't want you to win, they don't want you 1:33:33.479 --> 1:33:36.599 to water your plants, they don't want you to smoke weed. 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:39.680 Is it that the same days? I don't know. I 1:33:39.840 --> 1:33:40.320 just know that. 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:43.360 Look the people, the movies and shakings of this industry 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:46.160 right here that control the vehicles. You know what I'm saying, 1:33:46.240 --> 1:33:50.120 that the ones you know who who you know, big money, 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:52.400 take no money, big bank, take low bank. You know 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:55.479 what I'm saying, monopoly and everything else. Whatever you're gonna think, 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:57.840 whatever you thought about it. If you think about it. 1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:02.559 You know what I'm saying. White folks always pot into 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:03.040 hip hop. 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:05.880 I'm gonna switch the subject a little bit because you're 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:08.560 a pillar of hip hop, both of you, guys, but 1:34:08.720 --> 1:34:10.640 both are legends. You guys are still talking to you, 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:15.400 very dispectful. You leaving all right, very I. 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:17.400 Got respectful friends. Apologize. 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:22.160 But it's been a controversy going on right now right 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:27.200 what African Mambada right? Cars one is on our show. 1:34:28.360 --> 1:34:30.400 I want to defend cars one because I got the 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:33.800 talk rhymes. Man, get some more funk rhymes, brother. You know. 1:34:33.920 --> 1:34:37.360 So I had carras One on the show. I asked 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:40.559 Kris One about the African man batta thing you car 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:41.160 ress One. 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:43.360 I don't want to say he dodged the question. 1:34:43.520 --> 1:34:46.280 He just said that's my man. And once he said 1:34:46.320 --> 1:34:49.560 that's my man, I kind of got uncomfortable and I 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:50.559 switched the subject. 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:52.000 Plus after that. 1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:55.760 Before that, I was giving kres mad my ties to 1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:57.160 get him drunk, similar to how. 1:34:57.120 --> 1:34:59.320 I'm doing with you right now. You're drinking Hennessy and 1:34:59.360 --> 1:34:59.840 drinking park. 1:35:00.160 --> 1:35:03.000 It's the first person I showed to eat balk God damn, 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:08.120 it makes no noise for you know, the person to 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:09.720 bring pork showed it in my crib and that the 1:35:09.720 --> 1:35:12.480 first person to eat walk on the Ring Channel podcast. 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:15.919 What do you think about the African man body situation? 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:17.880 Both of you guys, I don't even know the situation? 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:25.360 Okay, all right, me neither do I don't. You don't? 1:35:26.240 --> 1:35:30.040 You don't? I mean, I don't know another situation? You 1:35:30.160 --> 1:35:34.320 finished or you're done? You start? Do you forget it? 1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:35.920 Come on tell me the situation. 1:35:36.160 --> 1:35:38.080 Oh man, if you ain't knowing it, didn't you know? 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:40.600 I'm not I'm not bringing them in this situation. Come on, 1:35:40.880 --> 1:35:41.280 help me out. 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:41.640 You gotta do. 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:43.519 You know, I don't even want not on that, not 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:45.120 on that situation. Let's turn it up. 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:51.200 So the unsigned Hype, the mic System, the Source Awards, 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:53.360 the album. 1:35:53.400 --> 1:35:57.120 With the joint with you on Mario Winings. All of 1:35:57.200 --> 1:35:59.679 that you did loving hip. 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:01.360 Hop, I mean rock. 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:04.040 The party was was that we had a couple of 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:07.479 we had a couple of shows rock and Park. I 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:09.720 think what what was out when I was out when 1:36:09.760 --> 1:36:14.479 it's love and the hip hop thing? It wasn't presented 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:14.720 to me. 1:36:14.960 --> 1:36:15.720 It wasn't. 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:19.240 It just I was giving Stevie was staying with me. 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:22.040 I was riding to the set. We stayed together in 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:26.400 Atlanta and riding to the set and just chilling. And 1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:29.320 then you know, they asked me to basically like you know, 1:36:30.040 --> 1:36:32.160 because I was talking to him already he has Michael, 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:35.080 and I was just like, yo, you know, you know, 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.000 you should just try to be monogamous and ship. It 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:40.080 was like one woman, right, Yeah, And then there was 1:36:40.120 --> 1:36:42.080 like when you said that on camera and I was like, yeah, 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:44.320 I said it on camera. They micd me up, and 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:45.720 that was the first time I was on him. I 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:49.080 did that drive and seek with him because you know 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:51.080 what I'm saying, I was never casting for it then. 1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:52.439 So so what happened? 1:36:52.479 --> 1:36:54.400 Why why you're not on Live of Hip Hop No More? 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:54.760 What is that? 1:36:54.840 --> 1:36:55.000 I mean? 1:36:55.040 --> 1:36:57.639 It was a situation that happened, you know at the reunion, 1:36:57.840 --> 1:36:59.559 you know, you know where you know. 1:36:59.680 --> 1:37:03.679 The snuff Jos Let's just come out. 1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:07.679 She came. 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:14.120 Is that what happened? A little bit trying to snuff 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:16.920 your wife. Listen, every man in every world, nigga in 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:18.360 the world, will do the same thing. 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:21.360 Of course, you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna protect mine. 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:24.680 Right, It's not like you're a woman's not like that 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:28.280 that's not what I'm saying. No, no, no, she's gonna 1:37:28.320 --> 1:37:29.400 you know, choking. 1:37:30.960 --> 1:37:31.439 Only get. 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:35.800 Right, right, So why did they There's so many people 1:37:35.840 --> 1:37:38.200 who did so much worse things and loving hip hop? 1:37:38.280 --> 1:37:42.760 Why do you think you're being like listen, listen, Look, 1:37:42.840 --> 1:37:44.800 Love and hip hop was a great situation for me, 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:47.120 you know, like I said, it was. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:49.120 It was something that I didn't know I was gonna 1:37:49.120 --> 1:37:51.439 be a part of. You know, I did a bunch 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:53.280 of seasons. A lot happened to me on there. I 1:37:53.320 --> 1:37:56.519 got shot, you know, Oh yeah, yeah, you know that's 1:37:56.640 --> 1:38:00.040 crazy hope my mom's past blessed. Yeah, yeah, that's you 1:38:00.040 --> 1:38:01.720 know what I'm say. Yeah, So it's like a lot 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:04.800 happened in those years just in my life. So it was, 1:38:05.040 --> 1:38:07.360 you know, love and hip hop was deep. You know, 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:09.240 Love and hip hop was you know, shout out to 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:09.880 love and hip hop. 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:11.439 Man, I got you know what I mean, Like you 1:38:11.479 --> 1:38:14.280 know what I mean like a mota recently talking man. 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:20.280 Stephen was just back in the studio. 1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:24.800 You and Stevie. Amazing crazy thing is you. 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:28.080 Know how your boy called you and your boy say, 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:31.639 you know, he's like I always I know you guys 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:32.160 are brothers. 1:38:32.240 --> 1:38:32.800 Like y'all gonna. 1:38:33.120 --> 1:38:36.200 I know it's different, but you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:38:36.439 --> 1:38:37.719 I know, you guys got. 1:38:37.640 --> 1:38:38.960 A lot of love for each other. You know what 1:38:39.000 --> 1:38:39.320 I'm saying. 1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:41.080 Do you think it was love and hip hop who 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:43.760 separated y'all? Or you think yeah, I mean you know 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:44.320 what I mean? 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.439 No, no, no, never the money because me and Sleeves, 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:52.720 it ain't like that with us. It was definitely a 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:55.439 situation with with with the you know, he was under 1:38:55.479 --> 1:38:58.599 precious his situation. I was underpressious my situation. Things happened, 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:01.920 you know, things happened. Things happen in relationships and family, 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:04.120 and you know what I'm saying, I don't think. You know, 1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:08.760 I don't know, man, I just don't think, like I 1:39:08.840 --> 1:39:11.320 don't think. You know, when you do reality TV, man, 1:39:11.400 --> 1:39:15.360 you can like really try to hold it against somebody, 1:39:15.479 --> 1:39:18.080 because man, people do things just for the for these 1:39:18.240 --> 1:39:22.040 for these things, for the cameras, and it's like, you know, 1:39:22.120 --> 1:39:24.000 you got to know that. You know, if the cameras 1:39:24.040 --> 1:39:26.920 wasn't there, it wouldn't be like that. There's no excuse 1:39:27.040 --> 1:39:28.479 for it. You know what I'm saying. 1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:31.640 How did you guys work it out? It's just man, 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:33.400 it's just gonna take time. Man. You know what I'm saying. 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:34.200 It wasn't you know what I mean? 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:34.519 Time? 1:39:34.600 --> 1:39:35.880 Hell was all you know what I'm saying. I mean 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:39.120 both of us understood what happened, and you know, like 1:39:39.200 --> 1:39:41.400 where where we stood with each other, like we don't. 1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:44.840 That was unfortunate what took place there, and it was 1:39:44.920 --> 1:39:47.880 unfortunate it took place on camera and ship. 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:50.640 Like when you ask me if I regret things, I 1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:51.160 regret that. 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:53.479 Oh yeah, that makes a noise for that. 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:59.240 Because because another thing is like I didn't bring out 1:39:59.280 --> 1:40:01.080 there on Love and Pop for none of that ship 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:03.280 to be fighting and all that. Like I'm not with 1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:04.920 none of that, to be honest, I'm really not with 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.680 that because you know, we fight enough off camera to 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:09.759 fight our whole lives. Why are we gonna go on camera? 1:40:10.320 --> 1:40:12.160 You know what I'm saying. Not you know, so I 1:40:12.200 --> 1:40:13.479 don't you know what I'm saying. It just it just 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:16.080 it just it was unfortunate, man, it was something that happened. 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:16.600 You know. 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:20.160 I guys had the seven five seven group, right, yeah, 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:22.120 seven fifty seven. Yeah, the rest of the peace. 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:22.760 Big cat to. 1:40:24.640 --> 1:40:31.760 Man, your cat's get big Cap. We love you, my brother, Yeah. 1:40:31.800 --> 1:40:34.400 Cap had hosted the seven fifty seven take us on 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:36.360 that pif you go that PIF downloaded? 1:40:36.400 --> 1:40:40.000 Yeah, wow wow. So that he passed away and then 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:41.080 you guys come back together. 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:45.000 That's probably this was crazy about it because we wasn't together. 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:45.560 He was. 1:40:45.640 --> 1:40:47.360 He was like, yo, you should let me just put 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:49.400 the music out, and he said yo. I ran to 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.400 Stevie and he said, he said that's cool, and I 1:40:51.520 --> 1:40:52.680 was like, why did you say it's call? I was like, 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.439 put it out, that's dope. Mind you and Steve almoston 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:56.479 talking two years. 1:40:56.320 --> 1:40:58.360 You know, and you guys were not only like the 1:40:58.439 --> 1:41:01.800 first people with the magazine that led the culture, not 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:04.439 the first people to do in compilations of the coach here. 1:41:04.479 --> 1:41:07.280 I remember you guys the first people to own studios. 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:10.120 I remember you own a studio in Manhattan. Was that 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:14.679 called the Sauce Lab? Man? You own a big studio 1:41:14.760 --> 1:41:17.240 in man We spent so much. I remember you asked 1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:19.280 me to do a verse or something or come meet you, 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:20.280 and I came there. 1:41:20.840 --> 1:41:23.720 You know, they actually called me. I walked through. You 1:41:23.840 --> 1:41:25.880 guys had like they had to be like five million 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:30.760 dollars studio. Yeah, walked in. You had blue carp I 1:41:30.920 --> 1:41:32.760 walked through and I was like, mad. 1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:34.799 We rolled up. I was like, Yo're gonna go outside 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:38.240 and smoke. He was like I spoke for what spoken had. 1:41:38.760 --> 1:41:41.479 Like you guys had all type of endeavors. Man, what's 1:41:41.520 --> 1:41:45.400 the next endeavor that you guys, Dave, Mads and Benzino. 1:41:45.000 --> 1:41:45.439 Is gonna do? 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:47.040 You really want to know? 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:48.160 I really want to know. 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:48.400 Man. 1:41:48.400 --> 1:41:51.360 In fact, Joe named this album on our podcast Give 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:52.920 Us Something Big. Come on, this's go Zeno. 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:58.640 Crap traps everywhere, but we haven't talked about that. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:02.920 There no crab traps in every city and my sauce 1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:04.360 in every supermarket. 1:42:05.200 --> 1:42:05.560 Let's do it. 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:11.040 Let's make a noise. It's to sound bad. I don't 1:42:11.080 --> 1:42:14.439 know when I'm mad. Man, it's not wonder women. I 1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:19.240 mean say so everybody. It doesn't make it bad, it doesn't. 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:19.479 Make it better. 1:42:19.880 --> 1:42:22.240 So how did you come up with? Like me? 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:26.240 I mean for the lameness, that's what you say, right, laymen, 1:42:26.360 --> 1:42:29.840 for the laymen, like I knew like one time Xeno 1:42:29.920 --> 1:42:31.960 came to the crib. You know what I'm saying, it 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:35.479 was something going on with it. Oh that's just straight paple. 1:42:35.720 --> 1:42:37.519 Yeah all right, hold on, come on, man, this this 1:42:37.840 --> 1:42:43.559 ain't for straight paple drinks. Because Rock, I'm gonna hit 1:42:43.600 --> 1:42:46.000 this armadell. Then hold on, let me finish myself. 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:46.200 Rock. 1:42:46.680 --> 1:42:50.880 So I knew you had love for cooking, right, but 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:52.879 most people got love for basketball. 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:56.200 Doesn't mean they're gonna play in the NBA. What made 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:58.160 you take this risk with this restaurant. 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:00.320 I mean it was like a low risk. You know, 1:43:00.560 --> 1:43:02.920 crabs is low wrist. I was only gonna do crabs, 1:43:03.600 --> 1:43:07.680 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I mean it 1:43:07.800 --> 1:43:10.200 was like a little small place I had been. Dave 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:12.479 turned me onto the little Korean spot over there, Big Joy. 1:43:13.080 --> 1:43:15.320 It was in the same strip models Big Joy, Marietta. 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:18.080 It was already kind of built out as a restaurant, 1:43:18.400 --> 1:43:21.559 a little small spot like fifteen and sixty hundre square feet. 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:24.400 So I said, man, it's perfect litt crab spot. But 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:27.400 the whole thing was I had to develop these sauces 1:43:27.439 --> 1:43:29.639 for it. I just wasn't gonna do like a crab 1:43:30.240 --> 1:43:32.640 Old Bay season. And you know what I'm saying, I 1:43:32.680 --> 1:43:34.160 want to do. I want to take it further. 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:37.240 So it was like I. 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:39.759 Developed these sauces. The first one was like the Zeno sauce. 1:43:39.560 --> 1:43:42.320 Because I heard you win somewhere like La yeah, La. 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:44.600 It was like these Koreans like that's like they do 1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:48.160 crabs differently, where like they incorporate sauces with it. So 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:51.920 I said, well, if I put my own twists on 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:56.120 the sauces, see what happens. Took me about four months 1:43:57.000 --> 1:43:58.920 to really like what Nelson was saying. 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:01.680 Did you think he was crazy when he wanted to 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:04.760 go in the crabb business. You guys are in the compilation. 1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:07.360 You guys are in the saucer Warans. You guys are 1:44:07.400 --> 1:44:10.760 into music. You guys are into and now you want 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:12.360 to sell food, like did you? 1:44:12.400 --> 1:44:15.280 I mean, he always wanted to do something like this, 1:44:15.840 --> 1:44:17.439 This is not he was always in I. 1:44:17.479 --> 1:44:19.200 Had something on Miami Beach. You know what I'm saying. 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:20.080 I remember that too. 1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:23.600 I mean he was he was certain about it. 1:44:25.640 --> 1:44:30.360 In your club, remember no, No, I got Pepper Space. 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:33.080 This is a great. It's like it's like when. 1:44:33.040 --> 1:44:35.599 Rose just got hot. I walked in the club. 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:37.360 This is what was club? You know? 1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:41.360 Yeah, clubs? You know your job was there? Jou invites me. 1:44:41.760 --> 1:44:45.639 I go in there, I going there. All the six 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:47.920 bottles of rolls, I remember they had to be at 1:44:48.000 --> 1:44:50.960 least twelve hundred the peaks. But I'm like, these niggas 1:44:51.000 --> 1:44:53.160 is doing this with like your birthday or job row birthday. 1:44:53.160 --> 1:44:55.760 I don't remember it was birthday, job birthday. So I'm like, 1:44:55.800 --> 1:44:57.760 all right, cool, I'm not asking for bottles. They got 1:44:57.840 --> 1:45:01.400 us all in go to six bottles of bros just 1:45:01.520 --> 1:45:03.599 came out and then and then a fight broke out 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:08.000 and they pepper sprayed the whole club. I sat there, prepared, 1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:10.360 let's go. I said, they got this game, that nigga 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:13.200 too much of money, My nigga, I'm drinking my bottles. 1:45:13.760 --> 1:45:15.519 I was like, all my good, and he was like, 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:16.120 you're good. 1:45:17.680 --> 1:45:20.360 The whole club that I said, fuck, like. 1:45:20.439 --> 1:45:23.800 You know how crazy it is to buy bottles to 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:26.720 sit down and everybody else leave and you just really 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:27.880 want to treat you the ship. 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:29.120 Fuck that. 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:32.000 I don't even give up. I'm saying, right here, give 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:34.280 me one way, just fix, let me go. 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:35.240 And that was crazy. 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:37.639 I got prepersuaded the first time I got Perpsation Club 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:38.040 High five. 1:45:39.080 --> 1:45:41.800 That was club that was a no bass club, that 1:45:41.920 --> 1:45:44.000 was a no best club. What is what is there now? 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:47.360 It was it was a it was American Paddle Now. 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:51.320 That was the second the second floor joint. We was 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:53.040 on the second floor, that's the first flost was on 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:53.599 the second floor. 1:45:53.640 --> 1:45:55.400 So I just want to let y'all know, like before 1:45:55.439 --> 1:45:57.439 we get up out of here, Man, is there anything 1:45:57.520 --> 1:45:58.920 y'all want to get off y'all chests? 1:45:59.280 --> 1:46:00.880 If anything y'all want to you know, get. 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:02.400 To the bottom line, you know, because I know I've 1:46:02.400 --> 1:46:02.960 been messing with you. 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:05.360 You know, I'm just messing with you all. These was jokes. 1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:07.759 No, I mean, I just know I'm just I definitely 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:09.680 meant I've definitely been down to come do this. 1:46:09.760 --> 1:46:12.640 You know what I'm saying, Brother, I appreciate that. I 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:13.360 want that. 1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:16.280 Thank you so much. Man, you guys been in my 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:19.080 corner forever. That's something I gotta say. 1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:22.000 You know, you guys been in my corner before we 1:46:22.080 --> 1:46:24.880 even mess messed with each other. But we wound up 1:46:25.000 --> 1:46:28.400 living in the same building, and it was something that 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:30.040 it was. It was a peer of love, you know 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:33.840 what I'm saying, Like, it's a peer of love. It 1:46:33.960 --> 1:46:36.439 wasn't nothing like no fake like like I need to 1:46:36.479 --> 1:46:39.280 get y'all like we're gonna handle each other. We're gonna 1:46:39.640 --> 1:46:39.800 you know. 1:46:40.280 --> 1:46:42.200 It was again, that's what that's what. 1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:44.800 That's what the reality show people use that word. 1:46:44.880 --> 1:46:46.599 It's all right, you know what I'm saying. 1:46:46.720 --> 1:46:50.880 So, but one thing, one thing I definitely need to 1:46:50.920 --> 1:46:52.800 know because only y'all remember when we met that I 1:46:52.840 --> 1:46:54.280 wanted the documentary with y'all. 1:46:54.439 --> 1:46:56.200 Oh yeah, I heard about this. I heard about this, 1:46:56.360 --> 1:46:56.680 and you know. 1:46:56.680 --> 1:46:58.000 I'm glad we finally here doing this. 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:00.759 But this is a good fun When is real serious 1:47:01.000 --> 1:47:05.600 documentary of the legacy of the source, because. 1:47:05.400 --> 1:47:07.479 That needs to happen now, can't you do that? 1:47:07.680 --> 1:47:08.800 Or you would have to clear that. 1:47:10.800 --> 1:47:13.120 They would have to be a joint clearance because they 1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:15.439 own the name now, so if there was to be 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:17.760 like a thing, they would have to clear the name. 1:47:17.840 --> 1:47:19.680 Ro So we'd have to call it the force, right 1:47:21.000 --> 1:47:23.800 or the creators of the source that you want? 1:47:23.880 --> 1:47:24.640 I mean, but a lot of things. 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:26.040 Lonzel would have a problem with that, you know what 1:47:26.080 --> 1:47:26.400 I'm saying. 1:47:26.400 --> 1:47:27.920 I mean, how about you call it the history of 1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:30.000 the I think the culture needs there's always use the 1:47:30.040 --> 1:47:32.360 SOURCEDE has to be involved, hopefully. 1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:35.320 You know, there's no problem with that, Mondelle, you know 1:47:35.600 --> 1:47:40.799 it makes sense to do it. Chronicle. 1:47:41.560 --> 1:47:43.320 We ain't got no beef for nobody but at the 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:45.560 end of the day, the history is what it is. 1:47:46.000 --> 1:47:48.559 Everybody's gonna have their opinions. But the way I look 1:47:48.560 --> 1:47:50.519 at it's over now. You people gotta put that ship 1:47:50.600 --> 1:47:51.519 behind and move forward. 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:52.080 Now. 1:47:52.479 --> 1:47:56.080 Should there be a source magazine story? Of course, of course, 1:47:56.320 --> 1:47:57.000 you know what I'm saying. 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:02.120 Of course it should be because I mean, and I'm 1:48:02.160 --> 1:48:05.280 not trying to start any controversy or things. Do you 1:48:05.360 --> 1:48:07.880 ever just look at the sauce now and be like, damn, 1:48:08.760 --> 1:48:10.679 I'm upset how they took. 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:13.519 It like and not No, not only because of of 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:17.479 of how every other magazine like and the sauce really 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:20.320 is the your sales going, vibees going, I mean, like 1:48:20.479 --> 1:48:21.200 Russell Simmons. 1:48:21.439 --> 1:48:24.040 Russell Simmons is one of my icons, is one of 1:48:24.120 --> 1:48:29.000 my idols. But when it didn't come on, relieve make 1:48:29.080 --> 1:48:34.040 the sauce cover. Yeah, I think she did, Like that's 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:34.519 not where. 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:35.639 Y'all was on it. I think she did. 1:48:36.080 --> 1:48:36.400 She did. 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:38.840 She was one of the first ones after we got yeah, yeah, 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:45.600 after she did Yeah, after y'all because David we was 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:48.960 doing with Mary sitting on the ice. Yeah. 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:53.599 Iconic joints like Biggie over the building is iconic. 1:48:54.120 --> 1:48:56.560 Do you know what I'm saying with the gun to 1:48:56.640 --> 1:48:59.120 the joke I was doing man with the ship in 1:48:59.200 --> 1:49:00.920 his nose, Like you know what I'm saying. 1:49:01.120 --> 1:49:03.479 So you see like you see like different putting like 1:49:04.000 --> 1:49:07.240 sports figures or like people who are models on the cover, 1:49:07.439 --> 1:49:08.480 Like are you disappointed? 1:49:08.560 --> 1:49:11.599 Let none of dis Yeah. 1:49:11.479 --> 1:49:14.280 But I'm just saying, like the original story, like when 1:49:14.280 --> 1:49:16.040 you look at it now, like can you walk through 1:49:16.040 --> 1:49:18.519 an airport? Do you tell me? 1:49:18.640 --> 1:49:20.960 Man, I don't look at it just doesn't. It's a different. 1:49:20.720 --> 1:49:22.280 Time, you know, Okay, it ain't really. 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:24.720 I don't look at no magazines honestly, Like hip Hop 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:29.320 Weekly fits fits is the format of today, but any 1:49:29.360 --> 1:49:31.320 other magazine like that, it's just a different time. 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:31.519 Now. 1:49:31.560 --> 1:49:34.280 Everything is internet phone, right, you know what I'm saying. 1:49:34.280 --> 1:49:36.960 Everything seems to be internet and phone. Hip Hop Weekly 1:49:37.040 --> 1:49:40.439 works because of the format of how last weekly you 1:49:40.520 --> 1:49:42.920 know of like US weeklies and everything. But you know, 1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:45.280 I just don't look at it like that though more. 1:49:45.320 --> 1:49:48.639 I mean, even if even if it was, I just don't. 1:49:48.680 --> 1:49:50.919 It's not in a time where it could shine anyways 1:49:51.400 --> 1:49:52.080 the sauce, you know. 1:49:52.040 --> 1:49:54.120 What I mean, It just don't So I know, I 1:49:54.320 --> 1:49:55.760 kind of asked you this in a different way to 1:49:56.200 --> 1:49:57.360 what's the new move man? 1:49:57.680 --> 1:49:59.120 Are you gonna stick with reality? 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:03.680 Are you us can continue with the with the magazine 1:50:04.400 --> 1:50:06.880 or you guys gonna do some phenomenal thing to change 1:50:06.920 --> 1:50:09.880 the culture again. It's been You're about to celebrate thirty 1:50:10.000 --> 1:50:12.400 years and well, look we need another. 1:50:12.479 --> 1:50:15.640 Week week ago. I'm saying, hip hop weekly TV, hip 1:50:15.680 --> 1:50:18.880 Hop weekly TV. Definitely me and ot is about to 1:50:19.520 --> 1:50:22.439 do your own album show that week TV. It's the 1:50:22.479 --> 1:50:24.280 first time you heard about that. I can't can't say 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:26.160 that work. I can't, but I can tell you that 1:50:26.240 --> 1:50:27.880 makes a noise but no no, but I can tell 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:30.200 no no, but we still can make noise to we TV. 1:50:34.560 --> 1:50:36.360 We were spread in the room, but we spreading the room. 1:50:36.400 --> 1:50:38.080 But he don't got his own TV. 1:50:38.280 --> 1:50:41.719 I'm still I'm still spreading, still working. I'm still working 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:44.000 with Carlos King. You know next fifteen, season two on 1:50:44.120 --> 1:50:47.519 TV one. You know what I'm saying, looking like season two? Yeah, 1:50:47.560 --> 1:50:50.920 season one success and you know we're just crab trap man. 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:51.800 And you know what I'm saying that. 1:50:51.960 --> 1:50:54.280 Did you ever think you'll be doing reality went back 1:50:54.360 --> 1:50:54.960 from back then? 1:50:55.360 --> 1:50:55.400 No? 1:50:55.680 --> 1:50:58.160 Hell no, hell yeah no. 1:50:58.920 --> 1:51:00.760 If you if you were still after saw us being 1:51:00.840 --> 1:51:02.479 on top, you probably be like reality is. 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:06.439 Now reality because you see, reality TV is all what 1:51:06.600 --> 1:51:07.080 you make it. 1:51:08.240 --> 1:51:10.320 You know, if you go, if you make yourself a fool, 1:51:10.360 --> 1:51:11.800 you will You're gonna be You're gonna be looked on 1:51:11.880 --> 1:51:13.600 as a fool I mean with yourself, you know what 1:51:13.600 --> 1:51:13.920 I'm saying. 1:51:13.920 --> 1:51:15.320 But at the end of the day, like you, as 1:51:15.360 --> 1:51:16.920 long as you are who you are, and if you 1:51:17.000 --> 1:51:20.120 don't mind who you are and and and comfortable with 1:51:20.160 --> 1:51:21.880 who you are, then you could do reality TV. 1:51:22.080 --> 1:51:24.040 Well let's make a noise for you know, being political. 1:51:24.200 --> 1:51:24.479 You're like. 1:51:28.960 --> 1:51:32.799 Dave, You've been in the brains behind the operation for effort. 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:35.960 No, you like being you like you like you know 1:51:36.040 --> 1:51:38.760 what I mean by that. It's like you're you know, 1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:39.360 you know, come on. 1:51:42.240 --> 1:51:42.879 For alcohol. 1:51:45.160 --> 1:51:48.360 This nigga's bored out all the chaser. He's a foul guy. 1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:51.320 He's my brother brought. He's also brought shower. 1:51:52.479 --> 1:51:56.280 But so uh, I don't want to say I people 1:51:56.360 --> 1:52:01.720 do something over because that's kind of corny. But what 1:52:01.920 --> 1:52:05.120 you think this next big endeavor that you want to 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:06.280 do yourself now? 1:52:06.400 --> 1:52:08.680 I mean, I mean, like not what I was, you know, 1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:11.040 I mean this the next big idea for you? 1:52:11.200 --> 1:52:12.840 What you think is that because you was the guy 1:52:12.880 --> 1:52:16.000 who invested in the internet and then people didn't believe 1:52:16.040 --> 1:52:17.840 who had didn't work at that time. But guess what, 1:52:17.960 --> 1:52:20.599 the Internet's working now, So that makes you nosra domis 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:22.759 what is your next idea? 1:52:23.479 --> 1:52:23.759 Again? 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:28.160 I think it's still that there's not a voice for 1:52:28.320 --> 1:52:33.040 the culture that south there. And the culture is powerful 1:52:33.200 --> 1:52:36.560 because you know, you have what they call the millennials, 1:52:36.680 --> 1:52:37.080 which is. 1:52:37.280 --> 1:52:40.240 The millennials that largest make it happen, right, Well. 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:44.560 That's that's the demographic that all corporations are going to 1:52:44.600 --> 1:52:47.080 be targeting for the next twenty or thirty years. And 1:52:47.200 --> 1:52:52.080 there's ninety five million of them. There was seventy eight 1:52:52.160 --> 1:52:54.600 million baby boomers. You heard of the baby boomers. I 1:52:54.720 --> 1:52:57.080 never heard of where they were. They were the biggest 1:52:57.240 --> 1:53:00.360 largest previous generation in Americans. 1:53:00.560 --> 1:53:04.479 The Baby Boomans, yes, yes, and the millennia anyway, that's 1:53:04.600 --> 1:53:09.240 that's really where to be a voice for them? I 1:53:09.400 --> 1:53:12.240 think I think dj Ifing has filled that voice for 1:53:12.360 --> 1:53:13.160 the millenniums. 1:53:13.640 --> 1:53:15.240 Not on y'all level, we can never. 1:53:15.640 --> 1:53:18.200 But the thing about it is a lot of people, 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:21.920 a lot of people they big of our podcast because 1:53:21.960 --> 1:53:24.640 these ninety stories and there's ninety babies that listen to it. 1:53:24.960 --> 1:53:26.960 But I can honestly say that I could never. 1:53:26.920 --> 1:53:29.920 Make the impact of the sources ever made. I could 1:53:29.960 --> 1:53:33.160 never make a system like I've tried to. You know, 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:36.080 this drinking competition that we just had Geno do we 1:53:36.840 --> 1:53:38.720 try to do that with all guests. It's not like 1:53:38.800 --> 1:53:42.840 the five mics. It's nothing I'm trying to get. 1:53:43.160 --> 1:53:43.720 Thank you, Dave. 1:53:43.920 --> 1:53:46.960 He's a positive guy, man, five baby, he's my friend. Man, 1:53:47.280 --> 1:53:50.559 But this just makes a noise for motherfucker the original song. 1:53:54.240 --> 1:53:57.000 This makes a noise for Zino drinking all the tracer. 1:53:57.160 --> 1:53:59.560 So now we gotta drink straight. So, man, guys, I 1:53:59.600 --> 1:54:01.640 want to can't thank you enough. Man. I know you 1:54:01.720 --> 1:54:03.920 guys didn't have to do that. I know you guys 1:54:03.960 --> 1:54:06.080 didn't have to fly in from LA. I know you 1:54:06.200 --> 1:54:08.679 guys didn't have to stop for whatever you guys are doing. 1:54:08.960 --> 1:54:13.040 I really appreciate it because people that are listeners, they 1:54:13.160 --> 1:54:16.920 love these nineties stories, these eighty stories, these two thousand stories, 1:54:16.960 --> 1:54:20.560 these twenty ten stories, and this hip hop stories, and 1:54:20.640 --> 1:54:22.680 that's what we cater to. We're not trying to get 1:54:22.680 --> 1:54:24.240 the guy who's hot. We're not trying to get the 1:54:24.280 --> 1:54:26.560 guy who's on his press run. We're not trying to 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:28.840 get the guy who just happened to be around. We're 1:54:28.840 --> 1:54:31.400 trying to get legends who have real stories. And you 1:54:31.520 --> 1:54:34.840 guys came, you participated. You never stopped us one second. 1:54:34.920 --> 1:54:36.760 It's you know, sweated for a minute, he jumped over 1:54:36.800 --> 1:54:39.320 the camera for a minute that he didn't stop. He 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:39.680 came in. 1:54:39.760 --> 1:54:41.840 There's been a good sport and that's what this is 1:54:41.880 --> 1:54:42.320 all about. 1:54:42.400 --> 1:54:45.040 This is not about This is about us getting together, 1:54:45.120 --> 1:54:48.560 getting drunk and telling stories. And you guys did what 1:54:48.680 --> 1:54:50.880 you had to do. And I can't thank you a man, 1:54:51.160 --> 1:54:53.680 and yeh yeah, yeah you got to it. Is there 1:54:53.760 --> 1:54:58.320 anything else any of you want to say? I was like, man, man, 1:54:59.280 --> 1:55:01.160 it was a pleasure, pleasure here and it's going to 1:55:01.200 --> 1:55:02.680 be a part two and it's got to be a 1:55:02.760 --> 1:55:04.680 walking yes, yes, yeah. 1:55:04.760 --> 1:55:07.320 But but also let me thank you for. 1:55:08.960 --> 1:55:12.520 Uh uh you know you're the first guy who's on 1:55:12.760 --> 1:55:16.720 my food and on the podcast. You know what I'm saying. 1:55:16.760 --> 1:55:20.000 Gunplay was too I thought about it. Yeah, you know 1:55:20.040 --> 1:55:22.040 what I'm saying. But you're doing that live being up 1:55:22.040 --> 1:55:25.080 the gunplay. But I can't thank you guys enough. Man 1:55:25.160 --> 1:55:28.280 for let me into your life. You know, I do 1:55:28.400 --> 1:55:31.960 it with League. We play around with the stories, and 1:55:32.520 --> 1:55:34.520 you guys are a great sport man, and what you 1:55:34.600 --> 1:55:38.080 guys can contribute it to hip hop could never be replicated. 1:55:38.120 --> 1:55:41.480 If just in case you guys didn't know, the things 1:55:41.520 --> 1:55:44.560 that y'all gave to hip hop, things that you gave 1:55:44.600 --> 1:55:48.440 to me personally is personally appreciated. I'm glad that I 1:55:48.520 --> 1:55:50.840 can later on in life call you guys my friends 1:55:50.880 --> 1:55:52.880 because you gave me love before you even knew me. 1:55:53.320 --> 1:55:56.080 And I'm glad that after we guys we knew each other, 1:55:56.360 --> 1:55:57.840 we continue our relationship. 1:55:58.160 --> 1:56:00.959 And I appreciate you guys being a part of this podcast. 1:56:01.040 --> 1:56:03.400 My brother, you know what I'm saying. I appreciate it. 1:56:03.480 --> 1:56:07.320 Man, the original Sauce, the dudest, Just focusing. 1:56:06.960 --> 1:56:07.760 On me for a second. 1:56:08.080 --> 1:56:10.440 This is the dudes that made something that people call 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:13.680 a hip hop bible. I don't care what you doing 1:56:13.840 --> 1:56:15.880 hip hop. I don't give a fuck what you try 1:56:15.960 --> 1:56:17.720 to replicate. I don't give a fuck what you try 1:56:17.760 --> 1:56:20.240 to make. There's nothing that people are going to call 1:56:20.320 --> 1:56:25.480 it the hip hop bible, my motherfucker. And listen, this 1:56:25.640 --> 1:56:26.200 is what I think. 1:56:26.320 --> 1:56:27.120 This is what I think. 1:56:27.920 --> 1:56:31.320 In a hundred years, the original sauce magazines will be 1:56:31.520 --> 1:56:34.200 read like a hip hop bible. 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