Speaker 1: So I want to say hello to all of you.
Speaker 1: And I've never had a housewife on until Jill Zarin
Speaker 1: and I did that because there was a it was
Speaker 1: just a reuniting, and it was for a very specific reason.
Speaker 1: But my show is not typically about housewives. And the
Speaker 1: guest that's here today I have been thinking about having
Speaker 1: on this podcast probably since the beginning. I keep saying
Speaker 1: to myself, I want to do this? Should I do this?
Speaker 1: Is this right? And it's not that I don't think
Speaker 1: she'd be great for the show. It's that I only
Speaker 1: want to have someone on if there's something really to discuss,
Speaker 1: if there's just if it's coming out of me. So
Speaker 1: today our guest is Needy Leaks.
Speaker 2: Oh do I hear a round of an applause?
Speaker 1: Here? Girl, you are here? I'm so We're in Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are.
Speaker 1: You and I talked a couple of times. You sounded
Speaker 1: very different than I've ever heard you. And the first
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say, just overall, is are you okay?
Speaker 2: I'm better? How about that I'm better? There was a
Speaker 2: time when I wasn't okay, but I am better now,
Speaker 2: and I know that I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: So you're in a transitional state, so I think.
Speaker 2: So I'm in my head a lot. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if you know that. Maybe sometimes I'm like really
Speaker 2: in my head. I've never been an overthinker, and now
Speaker 2: I have become an overthinker. I know, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: overthinking everything. I'm in a place in my life where
Speaker 2: I kind of like don't trust nobody, Like I never
Speaker 2: wanted to be that person ever, ever, ever in my life,
Speaker 2: and so now I'm like looking at everybody like, okay,
Speaker 2: so what they're trying to do, So, what they're trying
Speaker 2: to say, trying to sit me up, you know, so,
Speaker 2: and I hate that kind of thing. But I'm okay,
Speaker 2: I really am.
Speaker 1: It's coming through because we spoke a couple of times
Speaker 1: this week and we're going to get into everything. But
Speaker 1: as far as have this happened, I have thought about
Speaker 1: doing something with you, as you know, because I've called
Speaker 1: you and asked you to do things, and we'll get
Speaker 1: into it. But I've always been intrigued by you. I've
Speaker 1: always thought you were a superstar. I've always thought you
Speaker 1: were wildly entertaining, talented, a powerful force, and I've always
Speaker 1: called you the goat. I've always said you should be
Speaker 1: at the top of Rushmore. You were my first amount Rushmore,
Speaker 1: and I don't give that many people credit. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm always interesting and I feel like I've
Speaker 1: always given you credit. And as I thought about having
Speaker 1: you on many times, it was just like I would
Speaker 1: have just been having you on to have you on
Speaker 1: as a great guest. But something just sort of came
Speaker 1: to be recently and it was just you've commented I'm
Speaker 1: posted post of mine and vice versa, but I posted
Speaker 1: something recently you commented. I commented back because I sort
Speaker 1: of felt like you needed an Internet hug. I can't
Speaker 1: explain it. I had like an energy about like you
Speaker 1: needed to be included in something where you gave me.
Speaker 1: You gave me a high five, you said cheers to you,
Speaker 1: and I was like, cheers to us effectively, and I
Speaker 1: just found it and I loved I just and I
Speaker 1: felt like you needed an Internet hug. And then I
Speaker 1: just said to my producers, now it's time, because I've
Speaker 1: told them a million times calling you don't call me
Speaker 1: to collneiny call. So this week I said, I'm positive,
Speaker 1: and I'm positive. And then I've been texting you, and
Speaker 1: then you called me, and then I really started to
Speaker 1: realize what an actually good idea. This was better than
Speaker 1: I even thought because I heard you fragile. I heard
Speaker 1: you a little fraid. I did say to you, you
Speaker 1: are in your own head, and I think you don't
Speaker 1: even know how people perceive you. You're skewed, and I
Speaker 1: felt that you are having a lack of trust, like
Speaker 1: you just everything you just said it was coming through.
Speaker 1: And then we spoke. I spoke to someone from your
Speaker 1: team and a friend, and you know, I was. I
Speaker 1: was absolutely I said to my team, we should have
Speaker 1: this happen soon. She wants to do it soon, and
Speaker 1: she may cancel. She may cancel because I think she's
Speaker 1: very back and forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I'm back and forth. I'm back and forth.
Speaker 2: That's all I can tell you. You know, one day I'm
Speaker 2: really good, the next day I'm not good, the next
Speaker 2: day I'm okay. I'm just kind of back and forth.
Speaker 2: And so when I saw your post on on Instagram,
Speaker 2: I honestly felt like, Okay, may I be really honest? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I honestly felt.
Speaker 1: Like, by the way, completely honest today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly felt like Okay, So you know, my
Speaker 2: heart wanted to say a win is a win, and.
Speaker 1: It was about this was about a post that Bravo
Speaker 1: is now implementing better workplace conditions control cocktail consumption. And
Speaker 1: it was sort of either a leaked or a found
Speaker 1: letter from the Highers up and it was a big
Speaker 1: win overall, even though it wasn't even the tip of
Speaker 1: the iceberg. It was basically an emission that the shit
Speaker 1: had been really had gone sighways, and the reality reckoning
Speaker 1: was real, and Nini Combent did and say again, I.
Speaker 2: Started feeling like in that moment, I felt like that
Speaker 2: happened really fast. That's how I felt when I saw it,
Speaker 2: Like you know, they heard her like it was shocking
Speaker 2: to me. That's how I know.
Speaker 1: And you've alluded to it in some of your interviews,
Speaker 1: and I know that, and we're going to get into
Speaker 1: all that because I know that you've had a different experience,
Speaker 1: some different issues, but we're both on the same side
Speaker 1: of this, and so I know that it took you
Speaker 1: a lot to say to me, and I knew that
Speaker 1: it was a little it was it was completely authentic,
Speaker 1: but it was wrapped in a message. Oh they heard
Speaker 1: you for me to be like and they didn't hear you.
Speaker 1: But that's why I said to you they heard us,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to sort of wrap this into it,
Speaker 1: not leave you alone.
Speaker 2: I do believe that a win is a win. I
Speaker 2: do believe that, right, Okay, So that's why I say
Speaker 2: a win is a win. It doesn't matter you know
Speaker 2: who slammed dunk, as long as we get the job
Speaker 2: done right right, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we're on the same team and we have some of
Speaker 2: the same message. So your voice was heard my as well,
Speaker 2: wasn't It doesn't matter yours was heard.
Speaker 1: Well, yours is heard now. And I recognize coming into
Speaker 1: this interview and at all times, you're going to have
Speaker 1: a different experience in the world and in entertainment and
Speaker 1: in reality TV than I am. And you're a black
Speaker 1: woman and only you can speak to that. I cannot
Speaker 1: speak to that. So I was thinking too, like, I
Speaker 1: know Nani, and I know Nini, and I've told people,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know. I don't really know you.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you grew up. I don't know
Speaker 1: your relationship history, your family. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: grew up poor I know that I've watched the storylines
Speaker 1: and someone else raised you. Can you just tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about your upbringing, like really, how you
Speaker 1: came into adulthood.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my mom had my brother at eighteen and
Speaker 2: me at nineteen, so she was very young having us.
Speaker 2: My mom is from Athens, Georgia, which is right outside
Speaker 2: of Atlanta, Georgia. And after giving birth to us, well,
Speaker 2: my brother, she gave birth to in Georgia, and then
Speaker 2: she moved away to New York City Queen's New York
Speaker 2: City and Cambria Heights, and she gave birth to me,
Speaker 2: which I was born in Jamaica Queen's Hospital in New
Speaker 2: York City. Oh and yeah, in New York City. And
Speaker 2: so my mom's family, her roots are in Athens, Georgia,
Speaker 2: which is right outside of Atlanta. That's where her siblings were.
Speaker 2: Because my mom was so young, my aunt, who is
Speaker 2: her older sister, always said to me that she said,
Speaker 2: to my mom, you're leaving those kids everywhere and with everybody,
Speaker 2: why don't you bring them down to me? And she
Speaker 2: took me and my brother to her oldest sister and
Speaker 2: that's where our lives changed. My aunt, she only had
Speaker 2: one daughter, and she couldn't have any more children after that,
Speaker 2: so she became my mom, her husband became me and
Speaker 2: my brother's mom and dad. She essentially adopt us, you know,
Speaker 2: down the road. But we always had a relationship with
Speaker 2: our mom. I was one of those kids that I
Speaker 2: grew up in Athens, Georgia, but I went back and
Speaker 2: forth to New York every senile summer. I would catch
Speaker 2: greyhound bus. It would come through Athens. We would get
Speaker 2: on the bus, pack all of our things and head
Speaker 2: off to Queens, New York City and be with my
Speaker 2: mom for the summer, and then she send us back
Speaker 2: to Georgia right before school gets ready to start. So
Speaker 2: I always had a relationship with my mom. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say my relationship was always great with my mom, because
Speaker 2: after that, my mom ended up getting her life together,
Speaker 2: getting married. She had a great husband who provided greatly
Speaker 2: for her. She had three more children with him afterwards,
Speaker 2: and I always felt like she never came back and
Speaker 2: got us and I when I was like in middle
Speaker 2: school in high school, like I really wanted my mom.
Speaker 2: I honestly can't really explain it other than I just
Speaker 2: really wanted my mom. It wasn't anything that my aunt
Speaker 2: wasn't doing for us. She provided, you know, as best
Speaker 2: she could for us. She gave us a great upbringing.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted my mom. I wanted to be
Speaker 2: with my mom. So I grew up with my mom's
Speaker 2: oldest sister and her husband. I did not have my
Speaker 2: mom and dad in my life on the everyday.
Speaker 1: Basis, So you felt left behind.
Speaker 2: I did because my mom would come and visit with
Speaker 2: her children, and I always felt like, Okay, so my
Speaker 2: mom is here with her kids and she's getting them
Speaker 2: dressed and making sure their hair is great. And it
Speaker 2: was almost like I was invisible, like I was not
Speaker 2: you know, her other daughter, like, you know, girl, you're
Speaker 2: gonna call my hair too? Right?
Speaker 1: Well, if you had, if she had gone on to
Speaker 1: live a selfish life with no kids, that would be
Speaker 1: slightly easier, but to go and then some other kids
Speaker 1: are living the life that you didn't have, right, And
Speaker 1: also that type of stuff is embarrassing in high school.
Speaker 1: You have to make explanations. Is that your mom? Well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of my mom, it's my hand. You have
Speaker 1: to feel self conscious.
Speaker 2: And then that would be pierced when I didn't see
Speaker 2: my mom for like a whole year, a year and
Speaker 2: a half. You know, I didn't see my mom. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, stay up and see my mom.
Speaker 2: But you know, even when I got to my teen
Speaker 2: years where you know, you want to day boys or uh,
Speaker 2: my mom's sister was older, and I felt like my
Speaker 2: mom was younger, so she knew more hip things.
Speaker 1: You know, oh you were like aunt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was with my auntie ye. And so my
Speaker 2: mom she knew more, you know, she was younger, yeah, cooler,
Speaker 2: And I felt like, you know, I wanted her to
Speaker 2: like make me cool, you know, like make my hair
Speaker 2: look young or whatever it is, instead of my little
Speaker 2: sisters with their hair all done cute and I'm over
Speaker 2: here with my aunts. You know, I felt like you
Speaker 2: didn't fit in right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And but as I got older, I got over the
Speaker 2: relationship that me and my mom had got over as
Speaker 2: in I wasn't holding any more grudges. I understood that
Speaker 2: she was young when she gave birth to us. My
Speaker 2: life with my aunt was my I was married to
Speaker 2: an alcoholic. He was, when I said an alcoholic, like
Speaker 2: extreme alcoholic, like he would be drunk and falling down.
Speaker 2: And he's gotten many DUI's and he would curse her
Speaker 2: out and really belitter her when he was drunk. And U.
Speaker 2: I was with my aunt since I was about four years.
Speaker 1: Old, so you witnessed all that at that age growing.
Speaker 2: Up, es I witnessed everything growing up. He was a
Speaker 2: great guy, though he wasn't abusive to us. I never
Speaker 2: saw him hit her, but he was verbally abusive. He
Speaker 2: taught me how to drive him and my brother. He
Speaker 2: was a quiet man. The only time he really talked
Speaker 2: is when he was drinking. If he wasn't drinking, he
Speaker 2: was pretty quiet. So looking back, being an adult now
Speaker 2: I know he was the kind of man who probably
Speaker 2: held a lot of things in and drinking helped him
Speaker 2: to say all the things he probably wanted to say
Speaker 2: and hadn't said. But my uncle worked in the grocery
Speaker 2: store and my aunt was a cook and a seamstress.
Speaker 2: She later on had like an alteration shop, and she
Speaker 2: was the lady in Athens, Georgia that did all the weddings,
Speaker 2: like all the bridemaids dresses, and anybody that wanted curtains done.
Speaker 2: She could sew everybody's curtains and so she had a
Speaker 2: nice small home. But we had a good life.
Speaker 1: And was this middle class would I would say it
Speaker 1: was middle class. You now, as a woman, do you
Speaker 1: recognize how amazing that they took you in like that?
Speaker 2: I do. Younger, I could not appreciate it, But now
Speaker 2: that I'm older, I do. I do. She gave me
Speaker 2: a lot of great advice to and she died maybe
Speaker 2: like a year before my husband passed. So she lived
Speaker 2: until she was ninety two years old and she's only
Speaker 2: been dead about three and a half.
Speaker 1: Years, so that was tremendous year.
Speaker 2: And she raised not only me and my brother, she
Speaker 2: had a granddaughter and a great grandkid. She raised it
Speaker 2: well as well. So she was one of those ladies
Speaker 2: who raised all the kids in the family.
Speaker 1: Were you popular? I was popular, You were popular.
Speaker 2: I was in So she made us do every activity
Speaker 2: in the world, like we were tired of activities. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was a girl scout, I was a brownie. I
Speaker 2: was in a four age club. I played basketball, I
Speaker 2: was a cheerleader. I was in modeling school. I had
Speaker 2: to go to college. Like she was like that lady.
Speaker 1: So you but you weren't insecure in that way, like
Speaker 1: you felt like okay, and what about relationship history before Greg.
Speaker 1: Were you attracted to good men?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about abusive I don't know who
Speaker 1: that was with.
Speaker 2: I do feel like my uncle, who was my father
Speaker 2: raising me. I think that I was in a way
Speaker 2: attracted to men that were abusive because I had dealt
Speaker 2: with a My upbringing had some abuse in it, but
Speaker 2: I didn't recognize that until I was in those relationships.
Speaker 2: So I've always been in really long relationships. I am
Speaker 2: a relationship person. I really like relationships. I don't like
Speaker 2: really being single. I'm not a girl that would really
Speaker 2: be out like dating. And I also think that I'm
Speaker 2: not attracted to a lot of men. I love men,
Speaker 2: but I always feel like it's like a special some
Speaker 2: kind of guy. It's not like some girls they're like,
Speaker 2: oh I like him him, and I don't like it
Speaker 2: has to be like a special guy for me. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is. But every man I see,
Speaker 2: I'm not attracted to them.
Speaker 1: And I know that because I know you broke up
Speaker 1: with Greg very publicly, and it was so shocking that
Speaker 1: you got back together because it was so public.
Speaker 2: But I got to tell you. See, I dated in
Speaker 2: high school. I had a boyfriend. My aunt was very strict,
Speaker 2: so she told me I couldn't date until I was sixteen,
Speaker 2: and then when I turned sixteen, she told me I
Speaker 2: was too childish, so I couldn't date at sixteen. About seventeen,
Speaker 2: almost seventeen, she let me start dating. I had a
Speaker 2: boyfriend all the way through high school. Then when I
Speaker 2: went off to college. I went to college in Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 2: so I've been there since I was eighteen. I went
Speaker 2: to Mars Brown College in the Au Center where they
Speaker 2: have Clark Spelman Moorhouse. Everybody knows all of those schools,
Speaker 2: and so I got a boyfriend right as I got
Speaker 2: on campus, and I started dating him for a short time.
Speaker 2: And then I met my oldest son father. He had
Speaker 2: come to my campus. That's who I had my son with,
Speaker 2: my first child with. I met him in college and
Speaker 2: he has the grand yes he does, and so he
Speaker 2: was abusive. So he was really my first real boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I didn't have sex until I was a freshman in college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted to have sex, you know, prior to that,
Speaker 2: but of course I couldn't. My aunt was saying I
Speaker 2: was really mature, and I was saying, like all the
Speaker 2: girls and in my neighborhood were using birth control and
Speaker 2: it was kind of like a public thing. They would
Speaker 2: go to the neighborhood like but yeah, the planned parent
Speaker 2: call it a clinic, you know. And and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like I felt pressure like everybody is,
Speaker 2: you know, taking amer control pills. It was like a
Speaker 2: little round pack and he used to turn it pressed
Speaker 2: appell and I was like, I don't even have any boobs,
Speaker 2: you know. It was like late developing. Yes, my son's father.
Speaker 1: But multiple times you were in a relationship with him, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Was about six years six seven years.
Speaker 1: Okay, And is your relationship good with your son?
Speaker 2: With my son?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I have a relationship with him now his father
Speaker 2: really Yes, he was abusive to me.
Speaker 1: Does he acknowledge that.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he would ever acknowledge that. It's
Speaker 2: just not disgusted, but he knows that I acknowledge it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because I was like, this
Speaker 2: is real, and you did what you did? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? But after that relationship, I will tell
Speaker 2: you this is how I met Greg. I was so
Speaker 2: I was really bad abusive relationship. I didn't even want
Speaker 2: to go into how bad he was to me. Once
Speaker 2: I finally got away from him, I said, I'm never
Speaker 2: dating another guy. If you even just talk mean to me,
Speaker 2: like just say something mean to me, then I was
Speaker 2: gonna be out. So every guy I talked to and
Speaker 2: if they were like you and I'm like, okay, that's it,
Speaker 2: you're talking. Yeah, I was out. And so when I
Speaker 2: met Greg, I never dated an older man before. I
Speaker 2: always date the guys that were my age, and when
Speaker 2: I met Greg, I was like, he's not my type.
Speaker 2: I don't think. So he asked me to go on
Speaker 2: a date. I thought when he picked me up, he
Speaker 2: opened up the doors and he gave me roses and
Speaker 2: chocl that I thought that was corny. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: was like, what is going on and why did he
Speaker 2: pull up here in this car like that? You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not recognizing the gentleman and him and that is
Speaker 2: the way a lady should be treated. I just thought that,
Speaker 2: you know, he was like too old school for me.
Speaker 1: It's what I thought, Well, you probably didn't have the
Speaker 1: self worth to that someone could just love you and
Speaker 1: be good to you.
Speaker 2: No, And I remember the first day we went to
Speaker 2: we went it was during the Olympics that Bennie Hannah's
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Okay, they were fairly new. It was super crowded,
Speaker 2: and when we got there, they said that there would
Speaker 2: be a weight and that he and I could sit
Speaker 2: at the bar. And he said, well, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a wait and we could sit at the bar. And
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, and I'm thinking of I said, Lord,
Speaker 2: have mercy. They said it's gonna be a wait, and
Speaker 2: I got to sit here and talk to this man.
Speaker 2: This is crazy. And so I get at the bar
Speaker 2: and I sit and no, Lie, we had a drink
Speaker 2: and we were just chatty chatty, chatty, chatty chatty. They
Speaker 2: finally called us for our table. And you know how
Speaker 2: Bennie hannahs, you sit with all these people when they
Speaker 2: do this littlebachi, the little habachi thing in front of you, right,
Speaker 2: And I didn't know what to order, and he said,
Speaker 2: I'll order for you, and he did and we had
Speaker 2: the best freaking day. We talked the whole time. I
Speaker 2: remember leaving out of Bennie Hannah saying that was a
Speaker 2: nice day.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: I always credit Greg for teaching me how to eat dessert.
Speaker 2: I never went to a restaurant and they said, would
Speaker 2: you like to see the dessert menu? And we would
Speaker 2: always say no, thank you dessert men. And he was like, yes,
Speaker 2: let's to get the dessert because.
Speaker 1: You wanted to spend more time with you you want
Speaker 1: to spend.
Speaker 2: But he always was a dessert guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a dessert person.
Speaker 2: So we had a dessert. I remember getting back in
Speaker 2: the car thinking that was a great day. How old
Speaker 2: were you I met Greg? I was twenty eight and
Speaker 2: how old was he? I know he was like forty one.
Speaker 1: Oh, so it is a different thirteen okay, it was
Speaker 1: thirteen years different. And then we were off to the
Speaker 1: races or no.
Speaker 2: We were not off to the races. He said to
Speaker 2: me the next day, he said, would you like to
Speaker 2: go out to lunch? And I was like, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: And I was just thinking I was going out to eat,
Speaker 2: like I just want to go eat all the time, right,
Speaker 2: And he said to me one day at lunch, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, girl, one day, you're gonna be my wife.
Speaker 2: And I said it is not possible, sir, like I
Speaker 2: will never be your wife. Okay, let's be clear, and
Speaker 2: he was like, you gotta marry you one day, girl, was.
Speaker 1: Was he the love your life?
Speaker 2: He was the love of my life. Like I tell
Speaker 2: everybody this, I don't know that I will ever experience
Speaker 2: this type of love ever again in my life. I
Speaker 2: think I have experienced the ultimate love, and I don't
Speaker 2: think that you experienced that, but once in a lifetime.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody else out here for me.
Speaker 2: I did not like Greg. In fact, I thought he
Speaker 2: had all nice shoes. I did not like his pants.
Speaker 2: I did not like anything. Honestly, when I tell you,
Speaker 2: that man charmed me. He told me like knowing him,
Speaker 2: like two weeks in he said, you remind me of
Speaker 2: my mom, and you're gonna be my wife one day.
Speaker 1: And like, wow, that is beautiful.
Speaker 2: I said, there's no fucking way he has lost his mind.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be his wife.
Speaker 1: And sure enough you were.
Speaker 2: And I was six months into dating and we got engaged.
Speaker 2: Really six months one year after dating, we were married.
Speaker 1: I was thinking today and the many thoughts I've had
Speaker 1: about you. What would he have told you if you
Speaker 1: asked him if you should do this today? That's what
Speaker 1: I was thinking.
Speaker 2: You know, I believe that Greg would have been probably
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty ft I know him, he would And
Speaker 2: the reason why I say that is because he will
Speaker 2: be thinking to hisself. Greg likes to keep the peace.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's gonna be a problem, what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. If he knew everything that was happening right
Speaker 2: now today around me, he probably would be fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: He probably would be like, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's difficult for you that he was your
Speaker 1: sounding board and you're gonna do all this alone. The
Speaker 1: biggest thing that's ever really happened.
Speaker 2: Is I've needed him so much since he's been gone.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, this is some big shit.
Speaker 1: You're dealing with big girl shit, and we're older now
Speaker 1: and we're thinking, we're reflecting on our lives and what
Speaker 1: the meaning is and you've been through it, okay, So.
Speaker 2: You know what I would tell him right now is
Speaker 2: I would always laugh at him because he always wore
Speaker 2: glasses and he would be squenching hisself. One of these days,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be squenching your eyes like that too, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna need some glasses too. And I have to say, Greg,
Speaker 2: I think I need a glass. The day is here already,
Speaker 2: the day is here. I'm starting to squint.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't remember how you and I first met.
Speaker 1: I remember one time being in Atlanta, on us having dinner.
Speaker 1: I remember us doing a whole plane ride together, presumably
Speaker 1: from Atlanta, and I remember a couple of things you
Speaker 1: said to me, which will be interesting, and I then
Speaker 1: I haven't spent that much time with you. I've always
Speaker 1: just admired you from afar. On the plane, you said
Speaker 1: to me that you can only ever oh sorry. And
Speaker 1: the third time I saw you, you came to an
Speaker 1: event that I was doing with two of your girlfriends,
Speaker 1: and you said to me, and you were the new
Speaker 1: girl in town. You were in the new show in town.
Speaker 1: This is crazy, you guys. I was on the New
Speaker 1: York Housewives. Atlanta and Jersey came later. We thought, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what a dumb idea. You know, there were
Speaker 1: new people coming in. We were probably wanting to, you know,
Speaker 1: be protective over it, and we didn't understand it. And
Speaker 1: Jersey came in, and Atlanta was coming in, and Nini came.
Speaker 1: I invited her. I don't know why or how we
Speaker 1: knew each other, but she came to an event of mine,
Speaker 1: a cocktail event. She brought two girlfriends and she said,
Speaker 1: I have to leave them here with you because I
Speaker 1: have to go be Andy's date for a party. Because
Speaker 1: she was the new shiny toy. You were the new
Speaker 1: popular girl. We were ready. I was, I had dust
Speaker 1: on me. So you left your friends with me at
Speaker 1: a party?
Speaker 2: You know right? No, I went to Anderson Cooper's house.
Speaker 1: Oh, you were the new shiny toy. I was. You
Speaker 1: left me with your friends. I took your friend. How
Speaker 1: funny is it? I took your friends to three places.
Speaker 1: One was a hamp one was a Gotham magazine party,
Speaker 1: and Beyonce performed for like two hundred people. They thought
Speaker 1: I was the coolest person they ever met. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know she was gonna perport, but I took them Beyonce.
Speaker 1: It gets on stage, and then I take them to
Speaker 1: a club, and they will verify this. I take them
Speaker 1: to a club. We get to the front and the
Speaker 1: guy at the front won't let us in, and so
Speaker 1: we go inside to STK and I'm pissed off. We
Speaker 1: go inside and I'm like, I'm fucking pissed, and they're like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, We're having funny here. The music
Speaker 1: stood here, and I'm like, no, I'm pissed, and I
Speaker 1: tell now the owners of the place, and I say,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let me dance air? And we walked
Speaker 1: back the front and I started cursing the guy out
Speaker 1: in front, and so, you're gonna fucking let us in here?
Speaker 1: And they let me and your two friends in. We
Speaker 1: go downstairs and I meet my ex husband, my daughter's father.
Speaker 1: So I wish I live well. I love my daughter,
Speaker 1: She's beautiful, but it was a challenging ten year divorce,
Speaker 1: and I wish I listened to them to stay at
Speaker 1: stk let.
Speaker 2: My daughter. We were together and I needed to go
Speaker 2: to Anderson Cooper's house and I didn't want to bring
Speaker 2: any guests with me to Anderson.
Speaker 1: You want to roll tight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go and
Speaker 2: meet Andy. He's already there. And this girl meet her
Speaker 2: husband that night?
Speaker 1: Is that insane? It was the tenth of June, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he was who was DJing?
Speaker 2: Was he DJing?
Speaker 1: Oh no? No, that was their tenth verse or you know,
Speaker 1: he was just there and I was dancing and yeah, no,
Speaker 1: So I met my ex on that night, which is insane.
Speaker 1: But then on the.
Speaker 2: Into Anderson Cooper's house, he lives in that fire fire
Speaker 2: firehouse department, and I thought it was so creative. I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, so this is how you have to
Speaker 2: get a house in New York City. You have to
Speaker 2: buy fire department. And I remember he still had the
Speaker 2: little thing in the middle of the floor, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was just beautiful and creative. Well, he loved me.
Speaker 2: It was so interesting, and Anderson Cooper loved it. Was so
Speaker 2: surprising how him and Andy became friends because Anderson loved.
Speaker 1: Me, Anderson loved you. And you have to admit that
Speaker 1: you were the favorite child at that point, right, you
Speaker 1: guys were, come, what's.
Speaker 2: That the favorite? If I had to be honest, looking back,
Speaker 2: I probably I probably thought I was the favorite. I
Speaker 2: didn't see everything that was to.
Speaker 1: Come understand, but at that time, you were definitely I think.
Speaker 2: I mean I thought I probably was thinking to myself
Speaker 2: from his favorite.
Speaker 1: I felt a little jilted, just I mean, if I
Speaker 1: didn't know, I wouldn't know. But you were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: my friends are staying here because I'm going with Andy,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, interesting, Like my mind just and
Speaker 1: I became the favorite at some point, and we all
Speaker 1: and I often think about that, which we're definitely getting into.
Speaker 1: But on that plane you said to me, when we
Speaker 1: were on a plane together, you said, I only can
Speaker 1: focus on one thing at a time. I can only
Speaker 1: do one thing well at a time. Do you do
Speaker 1: you feel that way anymore?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I can definitely multitest. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Does that make sense that you said that?
Speaker 2: Yes, but I can multitest. Now.
Speaker 1: I believe you. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: You have to. You have to.
Speaker 1: So am I allowed to ask about that you danced
Speaker 1: and that that came out on the show. Okay, so
Speaker 1: so explain that journey.
Speaker 2: You mean stripper?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what were you doing in work overall?
Speaker 2: I was a single mom at the time and I
Speaker 2: was trying to I had gotten away from the person
Speaker 2: I was dating that was abusing me, and I needed
Speaker 2: a job. And strip clubs are very popular in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: It's a nude state where you can be completely nude.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of states are you know, topless
Speaker 2: or whatever, but not Georgia. And all the college girls
Speaker 2: on my campus were dancing, and I thought I just
Speaker 2: looked in a paper and it said new models. Well,
Speaker 2: I used to model, so I thought, okay, well surely
Speaker 2: I can be a nude model. Let me just go
Speaker 2: and see. And it landed me inside of Cheetahs Strip Club.
Speaker 1: Is it a good one? Is it still there?
Speaker 2: That's a good one. It's not there anymore now, but
Speaker 2: it's a very good one. Actually, Cheaters is still there.
Speaker 2: It was the Gold club that wasn't there. And I
Speaker 2: walked inside and I'd never done this before. I just
Speaker 2: need to make some money. I was a single mom,
Speaker 2: and they actually to see the house mom upstairs, the
Speaker 2: house mom whatever. And when I got upstairs, she said
Speaker 2: we had to take our clothes off, and I took
Speaker 2: my clothes off, and then she said that we need
Speaker 2: to go out on the dance floor. You know, they
Speaker 2: gave us like something to go out and just let
Speaker 2: her see us dance for a few seconds. Because I
Speaker 2: know how to dance, you know how to move, but yeah,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know how to dance like you know,
Speaker 2: like being all sexy. I was like, okay, this is
Speaker 2: some new stuff. So I'm looking around at other girls
Speaker 2: and I'm learning that, you know, I need to get
Speaker 2: sexy with it, and the rest is history. I ended
Speaker 2: up being in the strip club lifestyle for probably a
Speaker 2: good three years.
Speaker 1: What was that like? Were people respectful? Did you make
Speaker 1: a lot of money?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What was I.
Speaker 2: Worked at really nice strip clubs, so you know, there's
Speaker 2: some trashy ones and there's some that are really nice,
Speaker 2: while all the girls are driving nice cars and the
Speaker 2: men are really tipping. And I worked on day shift
Speaker 2: a lot because I was a mom, a single mom,
Speaker 2: and my son would be in school during the day,
Speaker 2: so I would drive him to school, a private school.
Speaker 2: I would drive him to a private school, and then
Speaker 2: I drive my ass to the stripper.
Speaker 1: Did he know what your job was? So?
Speaker 2: He was very young?
Speaker 1: He was very young? And do you still do you
Speaker 1: ever run into anyone? Do you speak to anyone you
Speaker 1: worked with?
Speaker 2: I have run into a couple of girls that I
Speaker 2: danced with in the past. But no.
Speaker 1: And isn't it funny that if think about all the
Speaker 1: things when we were on reality TV that we didn't like,
Speaker 1: mention and because you were probably ashamed and now you.
Speaker 2: I did it later tried. I want to say.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: It was on season one or two we had Derrek
Speaker 2: Blinks as our photographer and we did these photos where
Speaker 2: we were like I can't remember what he called them,
Speaker 2: but you know, our one life and in our past life.
Speaker 2: In my past life, I was.
Speaker 1: A stripper and you came out with it. Oh you were,
Speaker 1: I do some reason. I thought it was that someone
Speaker 1: said something and you felt like you had to bring it.
Speaker 1: You brought it into.
Speaker 2: No I talked about it and did it on a
Speaker 2: whole thing. I always kind of own did because honestly,
Speaker 2: the truth is, I kind of really liked it.
Speaker 1: I've always been intrigued by it. I kind of really
Speaker 1: liked it.
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing, but I really did like you
Speaker 2: felt I did. And I actually could control a lot
Speaker 2: of guys too, So I kind of liked it. I did.
Speaker 1: You were in charge. You were in control.
Speaker 2: I wrote about it in my book. I think maybe
Speaker 2: around season three I wrote a memoir and I talked
Speaker 2: about my life as a stripper, like I kind of
Speaker 2: always talked about it because it taught me a lot. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it taught me a lot. I could finally, for the
Speaker 2: first time, pay my rent and my light bills, and
Speaker 2: I have to ask anybody in charge. George, I got
Speaker 2: me a new car from the Strip Club. The strip
Speaker 2: Club actually really helped me a lot.
Speaker 1: So where did you go from there? Like? What was
Speaker 1: your next job?
Speaker 2: And how did you my next job? Craziest thing is
Speaker 2: I had met my husband, met Greg. I had started
Speaker 2: working for Lang Coomb Cosmetics inside of.
Speaker 1: Macy's doing people's makeup, no selling makeup. I'm still around, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course like that. So they have a great Underie
Speaker 1: Concealer and.
Speaker 2: Lancomb Yeah of course. So I started working for Lank Home.
Speaker 2: I worked inside of Macy's and I kind of moved
Speaker 2: around the department store on the bottom floor doing perfumes,
Speaker 2: doing makeup. Very social, yes, And when I met my husband,
Speaker 2: my husband was the breadwinner and he kind of took
Speaker 2: me from working period.
Speaker 1: So you weren't really a career woman then, Like you
Speaker 1: weren't that driven. You were driven, but you didn't know
Speaker 1: what you were moving towards.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to do. Now. When
Speaker 2: I got married, I knew I wanted to be an actress, right.
Speaker 1: So you did you want fame or you wanted to
Speaker 1: be an actress or they want to being together?
Speaker 2: I never thought I never thought about reality TV. I
Speaker 2: only thought about I'm an actress. It didn't really exist
Speaker 2: and I wanted to be an actress. So once I
Speaker 2: got my husband and I'm sitting at home and I
Speaker 2: don't have anything to do, I started taking acting classes
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. In Atlanta, okay, Nick KNTI, hey, how are
Speaker 2: you doing? Our acting coach? And so I took my
Speaker 2: acting class and my husband would pay for them, and
Speaker 2: I don't my husband never thought for one second that
Speaker 2: I would make it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I just not. I just think he thought it was
Speaker 1: a cute little hobby you were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that he ever thought. And I
Speaker 2: would tell him that I want to go to Hollywood
Speaker 2: one day, and I was dreaming of going to Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I love the sunset sign that I would see like
Speaker 2: pictures of I wish I could see that sign that's
Speaker 2: as sunset. And I finally years past and my husband
Speaker 2: was able to purchase me a ticket to go to
Speaker 2: Pilot season in California.
Speaker 1: But how who's representing you? How do you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing?
Speaker 2: Nobody was representing me. I was representing myself so perfect.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you what I was doing. I
Speaker 2: took headshots in Atlanta. I had a book that lists
Speaker 2: all the agents. So I was stuffing in Beloved with
Speaker 2: with my freaking headshot.
Speaker 1: And no one's But don't say somebody called you back.
Speaker 2: Nobody, you know what. I probably got one call, but
Speaker 2: nobody ever really called me back. And I learned that
Speaker 2: that was this thing called pilot season where you go
Speaker 2: out to la and all these opportunities are there where
Speaker 2: they weren't really there like that.
Speaker 1: So you have to be represented the only way. That's
Speaker 1: how I got to I went to the Church of
Speaker 1: Scientology because somebody called me back from the thing, and
Speaker 1: I ended up at the Church of Science.
Speaker 2: So I ended up learning about this agency that used
Speaker 2: extra pay you, I don't know, extra casting, and pay
Speaker 2: us twenty five dollars or something to sit. So I
Speaker 2: got a.
Speaker 1: Central Central Casting, Ye sacil cast.
Speaker 2: I became a part of Central Casting. They would send
Speaker 2: me everywhere to be an extra, and I would sit
Speaker 2: there and be like, I don't know why I'm not acting.
Speaker 2: Why are all these people like I could do that,
Speaker 2: I could do this, I could do that, I could
Speaker 2: do this. And one day I met Robbie Reid Humes.
Speaker 2: I tell everybody, Robbie Reid Humes changed my life.
Speaker 1: Who is that. Do I know her?
Speaker 2: Oh, she's a she's a female. She's a very big
Speaker 2: casting director out in Los Angeles. He's a black woman.
Speaker 2: She was casting all of the African American shows like Girlfriends,
Speaker 2: The Parkers, that was with Monique and I think her
Speaker 2: name is Countess or something, all of those shows. And
Speaker 2: she was working with Ruben Stuttard. He was another big
Speaker 2: casting director out there. And I was like, I gotta
Speaker 2: get to them, and I gotta get to them. And
Speaker 2: this is when I know that Hollywood was tricky. So
Speaker 2: I went in. I auditioned. Robbie loved me, and I
Speaker 2: auditioned for this big role for Fighting Temptations and it
Speaker 2: was gonna be Cuba Gooding Junior and beyond Fight and
Speaker 2: a lot of people in there, and she loved me
Speaker 2: for the part. They called me back and said I
Speaker 2: did not get the part. They loved me, but I
Speaker 2: didn't get it. But they had an idea for me
Speaker 2: to be guess what a.
Speaker 1: Stripper coincidentally or because they know they knew you're saying, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if they knew or not, but the role
Speaker 2: of a stripper. I was like, okay, So I ended
Speaker 2: up doing that. I did. I took it. I ended
Speaker 2: up being the little stripper really quick, a little part
Speaker 2: where Cooper was walking into some nice spot and it
Speaker 2: was me and a couple of girls on stage dancing. Man.
Speaker 2: We said something like, hey, welcome to the I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. And from that I needed to get
Speaker 2: You have to get under five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to get your line sag after car.
Speaker 2: That was the way they make you do a whole
Speaker 2: lot more now to get it. And I really needed
Speaker 2: to get it, and I was. I was so thankful
Speaker 2: to Robbie Read for helping me to get I had
Speaker 2: a sad card from that point on. Uh. She ended
Speaker 2: up calling me to do a part in Girlfriends and
Speaker 2: I just started doing little parts where I maybe had
Speaker 2: one line or two words in the game. But I
Speaker 2: was in the gang.
Speaker 1: And Greg had money to support you like he did.
Speaker 2: He was so Grant was doing really well for himself
Speaker 2: and I was to stay at home, young, fabulous, beautiful
Speaker 2: wife and so uh he flew me out to Los
Speaker 2: Angeles and then I will fly back and I did
Speaker 2: that probably for the next four years, and I never
Speaker 2: do any thing well kind of sort of. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't get a dang thing right, I give a yeah
Speaker 2: I did. But so I got back to Atlanta and
Speaker 2: I said to myself, obviously, this is what I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to be doing. I'm a housewife. I'm not gonna waste
Speaker 2: my going back. Yeah, I got old, how old are
Speaker 2: you at this point?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I'm in my thirties. Defeated, So I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do this anymore. And the moment I
Speaker 2: got defeated, that's when I met the lady who said,
Speaker 2: guess what the real housewives are? Orange County casting director
Speaker 2: is coming to Atlanta, Georgia. And I said, orange County.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is Atlanta. Why would Orange County be
Speaker 2: coming around? And they were like, no, no, no, I mean
Speaker 2: they're looking for the cast in Atlanta, but it's gonna
Speaker 2: be something like the Orange County Housewives, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: call it the Ladies of Atlanta or something. And I said, honey,
Speaker 2: you need to send them my.
Speaker 1: Way back because you didn't care what it was. You again,
Speaker 1: send them.
Speaker 2: My way, honey, and she said, well they have to
Speaker 2: you have to live behind gates. I said, oh, honey,
Speaker 2: I live behind gates, okay, And she send the lady
Speaker 2: to me honey, and the rest was history. I was
Speaker 2: not looking for reality because I've always been a yeah.
Speaker 2: But my whole thing was I'm an actress. I want
Speaker 2: to be an actress. What are we doing?
Speaker 1: The door closed? You through the window? Yes, I had
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 2: Through the Let me say you something about this casting director,
Speaker 2: the lady who was doing it, and yeah, Princess Batten,
Speaker 2: let me tell you I I blew her off for
Speaker 2: probably a good two weeks. She kept calling why I
Speaker 2: didn't really I didn't really I didn't really know.
Speaker 1: You know, you didn't understand what the medium was and.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what the whole reality how that
Speaker 2: was going to be. And so she said, you know,
Speaker 2: are you gonna take this meeting or not? You know,
Speaker 2: And that's how we kind of She kind of got
Speaker 2: rough with me, like on the last phone call, and
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, girl, you can come tomorrow, and
Speaker 2: no joke.
Speaker 1: So you were one of the first ones cast on
Speaker 1: that show, for sure. You were the first one.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I was the first one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now you enter into it, and do you
Speaker 1: think you're on something hot? You think this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a thing.
Speaker 2: No, I thought I remember all of us girls getting together.
Speaker 2: I remember, listen, I know this story like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2: I say to Princess, Princess Lee's my house, she called
Speaker 2: me before she gets out of my gate, she said,
Speaker 2: who we love you? Who are your friends? And you know,
Speaker 2: I started naming everybody. Charae wick Fields, these were your
Speaker 2: real friends. Yeah, Me and Scharay and Greg and Bob.
Speaker 2: We were all good friends. Okay, Yeah, her husband was
Speaker 2: playing in the NFL at the time, and so we
Speaker 2: would go with Charay and Bob to the game a lot.
Speaker 2: So I said, Charay would feel Kim Zosiak and Kim, Well,
Speaker 2: Kim and I lived. I lived in the neighborhood across
Speaker 2: the street from Kim at the time. We ended up
Speaker 2: living in the same neighborhood, but at this time she
Speaker 2: lived across the street, and our children, my baby boy
Speaker 2: and her daughter went to the same like little daycare
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And she was single dating not God Big Papa, but single.
Speaker 2: Actually when I met her, she was dating a different guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you really liked her, like she was very cool.
Speaker 2: You know what. We had the same trainer at the
Speaker 2: gym too, and I was very interested in her because
Speaker 2: when I would see her at the gym, she would
Speaker 2: have a big blunt wig on. She would have a
Speaker 2: cigarette and who the fuck is on the tree with
Speaker 2: a cigarette and you know, walking on the trip and back.
Speaker 2: At this time, this jogging suit was real popular, called juicy.
Speaker 2: Yeah you remember that. She had color, yeah, bloors, she
Speaker 2: had every color. And I would be so yeah. She
Speaker 2: would walk in with jewelry and this blrd juicy couture
Speaker 2: thing on.
Speaker 1: So she was rocking that like you're not at the camera.
Speaker 2: She was just and I would be looking at her
Speaker 2: like this is an interesting white lady? Yes, And I
Speaker 2: just never get over because actually, you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: black ger. I never really saw white.
Speaker 1: Women with is it an interesting white lady?
Speaker 2: Is the white a wig on it? And I never
Speaker 2: know white I don't really see white women with wig
Speaker 2: on like that. And the the gym, the thing about
Speaker 2: it is it looked like a wig to me. So
Speaker 2: that's why I was like, Wow, this lady is really interesting.
Speaker 2: She has a wig, a juicy couture sweatsuit, a lot
Speaker 2: of jewelry. You know, she's a lot of things. You
Speaker 2: pull up in a nice cloud side and your kids
Speaker 2: are all dressed up with.
Speaker 1: Two tools and just the whole thing.
Speaker 2: This all kinds of stuff on. And I would be
Speaker 2: so interested in her that I talked to her one
Speaker 2: day and me and her kind of hit it off
Speaker 2: from talking like that, and I when the producers would
Speaker 2: come down to talk to us about this show called
Speaker 2: The Ladies of Atlanta, I said to them, I have
Speaker 2: this white lady I want to introduce you guys to
Speaker 2: and they said, no, this is going to be an
Speaker 2: all African American cast and we're not interested. And I
Speaker 2: said to them, you really need to meet this white lady.
Speaker 2: This is a different kind of white lady.
Speaker 1: Yes, and she is a different.
Speaker 2: And so they were like, they really weren't interested, and
Speaker 2: we were gonna have We were all meeting in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: They were flying down Brian Hale, Hey, Brian, Hey, Brian,
Speaker 2: it is And so I said, I want you to
Speaker 2: meet her. I'm gonna bring her to the lunch. I
Speaker 2: beg him to go to the lunch. She came to
Speaker 2: the lunch. Seriously, these people were gun hole on this
Speaker 2: is going to be an all African American cast. The
Speaker 2: moment Kim walked in that room, they were just like me.
Speaker 2: They were like, wow, I'm telling you five minutes and
Speaker 2: they were scratching their head.
Speaker 1: But you know that, Like I mean, and I know
Speaker 1: that you've had your ups and downs with her, but
Speaker 1: like you have to be grateful that you did bring
Speaker 1: her in because the two of you made each other better.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys together. Let's you guys were Jill
Speaker 1: and myself like, you guys were.
Speaker 2: I knew she was gonna be good. You guys when
Speaker 2: they saw Kim, oh my god, they were like, honey,
Speaker 2: but now we can't even down.
Speaker 1: So we're so so so she was your good, good good.
Speaker 2: Not good good girlfriend. She was just, you know, a lady.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 1: But then you start to nurture it through the show
Speaker 1: because nothing is real. You're living two worlds. That's me
Speaker 1: and Jill. You're nurturing a relationship that's all about the show,
Speaker 1: and the audience is seeing you become closer and closer,
Speaker 1: and there's no other way to do it because you're
Speaker 1: on the battlefield and you need someone next to you.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's challenging when audiences say, oh, but
Speaker 1: you guys were best friends, but the show needs you
Speaker 1: to be best friends. Because they won't cast if you
Speaker 1: don't seem like you're best friends.
Speaker 2: As Kim came in with her cigarette and hung garment,
Speaker 2: she these she says, it was so many things. Those
Speaker 2: people were looking like, we have to have her.
Speaker 1: But were you very close? Would you call yourself close
Speaker 1: or were show friends?
Speaker 2: I think I would never say we were very close.
Speaker 2: I would say that we were very cool.
Speaker 1: Very cool. Do you regret going to the Mattresses with
Speaker 1: her on the show?
Speaker 2: Uh? No, I can't say that that.
Speaker 1: Is because do you feel that I always say that
Speaker 1: the show, it's a zero sum game. Someone always has
Speaker 1: to be winning and someone always has to be losing.
Speaker 1: So you are either getting killed or killing somebody. There's
Speaker 1: really very little middle.
Speaker 2: That's very good.
Speaker 1: It's the mafia. Yeah, you're killing or being killed. If
Speaker 1: you're not. If you don't know who's getting whacked, you're
Speaker 1: getting whacked. Yes, So it's so you know, I had
Speaker 1: a makeup person here today doing my makeup and he's
Speaker 1: good friends with Tinsley, and I was saying I really
Speaker 1: liked her, which wouldn't be evident by the show, because
Speaker 1: she was you know, she was a fine house. I
Speaker 1: have a nice girl, but it's called get out of
Speaker 1: the way. The grown ups are on the battlefield, and
Speaker 1: that's the way the game is played. So it's very
Speaker 1: difficult for the audience to understand why you have a
Speaker 1: friend and then you don't have a friend, because if
Speaker 1: there's something that somebody has on you, they're gonna fucking
Speaker 1: bring it to the center of the table because that's
Speaker 1: what the game is.
Speaker 2: That kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, am I wrong?
Speaker 2: You're right?
Speaker 1: Has there ever been anything not brought to the front
Speaker 1: of the table?
Speaker 2: Everything? You cannot share anything with any of those girls
Speaker 2: or have any secrets. Now you can have any secrets, right,
Speaker 2: so do you did?
Speaker 1: So? What about fame? What about money? You're coming on
Speaker 1: the show? That was the beginning when we started too
Speaker 1: and you were wearing a normal clothes. You didn't know
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be in a photo shoot every
Speaker 1: day once in a while, you get hair and makeup.
Speaker 1: But I was sitting there in my raggedy clothes and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the game starts moving quickly and
Speaker 1: it gets glamorous and like you're competing, And so what
Speaker 1: about the money, the cars, all that shit? On the show?
Speaker 2: I was the underdog, like I was the underdog because
Speaker 2: Ray was married to Bob and he had money. He
Speaker 2: was a football player, him was dating Big Papa and
Speaker 2: he had all this money. Deshaun Snow was with Eric Snow.
Speaker 2: He was an NBA player, you know, Lisa Wool was
Speaker 2: married to a football player. And my husband was just
Speaker 2: a regular executive king. You know. No, I didn't find
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't feel poor because we were living
Speaker 2: very nicely. I was the underdog though my husband didn't
Speaker 2: have the money that these guys had got it and
Speaker 2: we were definitely the underdog.
Speaker 1: But how did that affect you? How did that field?
Speaker 1: You feel insecure about it? I did something.
Speaker 2: I did it. I just knew. I don't know how
Speaker 2: I knew this. I knew like two weeks into shooting
Speaker 2: that I had to be myself though that's the only
Speaker 2: thing I had. And I said to myself, I feel
Speaker 2: like every.
Speaker 1: Time I feel like every thought about it, you want
Speaker 1: to show you, I'm going on, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just gonna just be me because this is not working.
Speaker 2: Like I can't pretend to be somebody else. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just have to be myself. So I just kind of
Speaker 2: went in like being myself I did not know that
Speaker 2: that was gonna work for me. Now, mind you, these
Speaker 2: girls are wearing designer everything, and I am like girl,
Speaker 2: I am just with my few little pieces. I don't
Speaker 2: have the pieces that they have, and my few little pieces,
Speaker 2: we're gonna make it work out. Lo and behold. I
Speaker 2: really think that they thought that they were going to
Speaker 2: be the real popular ones when I look back on it,
Speaker 2: but they were not.
Speaker 1: You were the bust outside the yes, And I.
Speaker 2: Think because you know why, I think because I was
Speaker 2: regular kind of. I was the underdog, and I think
Speaker 2: everybody liked me because I was the underdog.
Speaker 1: But did you believe into your own did you believe
Speaker 1: your own bullshit? Did you buy into it? Did you
Speaker 1: like take it to the next level and get because
Speaker 1: from you think you did?
Speaker 2: No? No, no. If you're saying, did I get glam
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, yeah no.
Speaker 1: But there was a drastic change in original Nini, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you moved into rich bitch
Speaker 1: and the cars and the glitch and everybody's game started
Speaker 1: to elevate. And it looked like a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: Like I look at Beverly Hills and I feel pressure.
Speaker 1: I would not. I would be like Denise Richards showing
Speaker 1: up on the balcony in pajamas, where you guys were
Speaker 1: elevating the game, and every week it was a new
Speaker 1: hairstyle and a new handbag and a new car and
Speaker 1: a new show, and it felt competitive, a competitive sport,
Speaker 1: the Bentley's and the cars. And I would say that
Speaker 1: African Princess.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would think that it was somewhat competitive. In Atlanta,
Speaker 2: everybody has a big house. I mean it's Georgia. I mean,
Speaker 2: so everybody can, right uh. And it's a lot more
Speaker 2: affordable to live in Georgia than it is to live
Speaker 2: in New York, you know, so people can't afford a
Speaker 2: nice size house, right uh. And I think that Cambs
Speaker 2: with Big Papa, he was given everything. I just think
Speaker 2: that it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you felt a pressure to be rich?
Speaker 1: You felt a pressure? Yeah, I could see. I could
Speaker 1: see that. And then also the cameras at everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now, looking back, do you feel that I often
Speaker 1: say that the situations that are the interaction is real, yes,
Speaker 1: but the circumstances might not be real. So it's not
Speaker 1: that you're necessarily friends with these people and having these
Speaker 1: conversations and do you think that do you feel that
Speaker 1: it's real? Do you feel that it was real? Do
Speaker 1: you feel that it changed, because I have a feeling
Speaker 1: when it changed in my mind, but I want to
Speaker 1: hear it, so.
Speaker 2: I will tell you. When we entered season one, it
Speaker 2: was real. Everything we said and did was real. The
Speaker 2: way our relationships fell apart were real. There were no
Speaker 2: we Me and Kim fell out. We really fell out,
Speaker 2: like we didn't make that shit up, Like we really
Speaker 2: bombed heads. Me and Chary really bumped heads.
Speaker 1: But why was it because of the show? Would you
Speaker 1: have bumped if it weren't for the show?
Speaker 2: You know, Mi and Cherai were already bumping his hands
Speaker 2: before the first camera ever even oh okay, we had
Speaker 2: already started like falling out. Okay, So it was really real.
Speaker 2: Its really it was really well real, And I think
Speaker 2: for us, I feel like the relationships started changing. The
Speaker 2: stories to me, like four or five season four or five,
Speaker 2: we were real. I often look at them and say
Speaker 2: that everybody on there is making sit.
Speaker 1: Up now and storylines and what they're doing.
Speaker 2: That's that way.
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's also because the game has
Speaker 1: been elevated every photo shoot has happened. Every leg has
Speaker 1: been thrown, table has been flipped, and they've seen all
Speaker 1: the previous seasons now when they come on, so they
Speaker 1: feel like they have to do something.
Speaker 2: They do. I'm telling you, when we entered, we were
Speaker 2: so good because we were real.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, you know, it was my favorite show.
Speaker 2: Authentic is I don't know what we were real?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: And so now everybody has a fake boyfriend, a fake everything.
Speaker 2: Everything is fake everything, and they have all these stories
Speaker 2: they made of I don't know even know how it
Speaker 2: came up with them.
Speaker 1: Everything is faked. You do you feel so? I've spoken
Speaker 1: to a lot of women on a lot of different shows,
Speaker 1: and they've taken antidepressant. The pressure gets to them, the media,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Did you ever go really low while on
Speaker 1: the show in that way? Did you ever feel like.
Speaker 2: I was on camera going low a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I mean, before the Greg stuff and before the later.
Speaker 2: If you remember, I can't I can't sometimes I can't
Speaker 2: call the seasons. It may have been season five or six.
Speaker 2: I was we I just know we were at the reunion.
Speaker 2: I was in all white. Doctor Jeff had come on
Speaker 2: our show.
Speaker 1: Oh, I remember I.
Speaker 2: Felt it was a lot going on with all the
Speaker 2: girls were ganging up on me. I felt a lot
Speaker 2: of lot of pressure, and I really felt low at
Speaker 2: the reunion. I think I got up and walked out
Speaker 2: for the reunion. Doctor Jeff was there to try to help,
Speaker 2: let's get through it. I think there were a couple
Speaker 2: times and after that, Yeah, the other time was my husband. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, when you broke up with Greg the first time,
Speaker 1: do you think that the show played a part in it?
Speaker 1: Do you think that the show had a negative effect
Speaker 1: on your relationship.
Speaker 2: I have to be honest. I can't say that the
Speaker 2: show was one hundred percent for me and Gregg's manience
Speaker 2: because we were together long before I walked on the show.
Speaker 2: We fell apart because we were falling apart. Honestly, the
Speaker 2: show did not help because I felt like my husband
Speaker 2: started feeling It's crazy. I know, I know it's crazy,
Speaker 2: but my husband started feeling really intimidated about me having
Speaker 2: my own money.
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting, that's a dynamic.
Speaker 2: He really was not here for me to have my
Speaker 2: own money. I never saw that in him.
Speaker 1: Yes, because you never had.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I didn't need him to ask him
Speaker 2: for a bag or get my hair done or anything.
Speaker 2: And I feel like my husband got really intimidated about that.
Speaker 2: He would actually walk around and be like, she's gone Hollywood.
Speaker 2: He is really trip oh, like this is my own
Speaker 2: He didn't like that at all. My husband was a
Speaker 2: man's man. He was the kind of guy who provides,
Speaker 2: and he liked providing, and it made him feel good
Speaker 2: to provide, and it made him feel good for me
Speaker 2: to need him, and I kind of no longer needed
Speaker 2: him financially.
Speaker 1: You know, did you go Hollywood?
Speaker 2: I don't think I went in Hollywood. I felt like
Speaker 2: I just had some money. You were evolving, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was with him since I was twenty eight, and
Speaker 2: I just think that I was my own woman now
Speaker 2: and I had my own money. I still loved him,
Speaker 2: but he was not happy about me having my own money.
Speaker 2: I will say that I did have more control or power,
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 1: So, do you feel emasculated?
Speaker 2: You know what? I've been asked that before, and I
Speaker 2: feel like I may have done that to him a
Speaker 2: couple of times.
Speaker 1: I got that you're strong, You're strong.
Speaker 2: I feel like I may have done that, not intentionally,
Speaker 2: but looking back, I may have said things to him
Speaker 2: that was like, I don't know, probably because I had
Speaker 2: my own money, and I probably was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't really need you like that, sir?
Speaker 1: How did you get back together?
Speaker 2: Whose choice was that crazy thing? He moved out. He
Speaker 2: moved out probably about a mile or two miles from
Speaker 2: our house, and I would drop my son off when
Speaker 2: it was time for him to have visitation with his
Speaker 2: dad and Greg and I wasn't speaking. And how we
Speaker 2: ended up speaking is I dropped Brent off one day
Speaker 2: and I was picking him up and he said he
Speaker 2: got in the call me. He said, my dad said
Speaker 2: to tell you hi. And I was like and then
Speaker 2: he was like, he's in the window. He's in the door. Mom,
Speaker 2: look my dad saying hi. And I looked and I
Speaker 2: was like, boy, hi, And kind of from that we
Speaker 2: just started talking.
Speaker 1: You missed him.
Speaker 2: It was kind of weird that he spoke to me
Speaker 2: that day and I was like, boy, out of here?
Speaker 1: But was here? Was he more comfortable with your fame?
Speaker 1: Part two? When he came back to the change, he
Speaker 1: got more comfortable with the situation.
Speaker 2: I think he just kind of like became silent, and
Speaker 2: I think he was like, oh, forget it. Whatever, Nini
Speaker 2: is Nini now, And but he spoke to me, and
Speaker 2: that kind of like all it kind of took I
Speaker 2: did hear that he I knew he had a girl
Speaker 2: he was dating. I went over there one night. I
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to. I mean, he wasn't my boyfriend and
Speaker 2: we had already divorced. But I think I was feeling territorial.
Speaker 2: I went by his place. I knew she was there,
Speaker 2: and his house was dark. On the front of the house,
Speaker 2: it looked completely dark. And something told me, walk around
Speaker 2: the bag. Now, why in the hell am I at
Speaker 2: this man house in the nighttime and they're in They're saying,
Speaker 2: walk around the bag, And let me tell you why.
Speaker 2: Because men are stupid. And so this is how this goes.
Speaker 2: I call him from a restaurant and he and I
Speaker 2: are talking left and right. We're just talking, talking, talking
Speaker 2: for a long time. He says, I'm gonna call you back.
Speaker 2: I mean we've probably been on the phone front like
Speaker 2: a couple hours talking. He says, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take a bath and I'll call you back. Well, he's
Speaker 2: probably drowned by now. He hasn't called. It's been like
Speaker 2: two hours, like, what is going on? Where are you?
Speaker 2: And I called he wasn't aunty. He wouldn't answer, so
Speaker 2: a part of me was like, did he drown or
Speaker 2: did somebody come over there? I think I'll drive over
Speaker 2: his house. So I drove over there and in front
Speaker 2: of his house was dark, and then I said, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe he's sleep and then something said no. Girl parked
Speaker 2: the car and get out, and I got out and
Speaker 2: I walked around the back of his house and I
Speaker 2: saw the light so in the back, and he had blinds,
Speaker 2: and you know how the blind could be kind of
Speaker 2: opened a little bit, and I he through the blind
Speaker 2: and I saw him sitting at the bar with.
Speaker 1: A girl, and did you set the house on fire?
Speaker 2: I knocked on the door. I said, hello, is somebody
Speaker 2: sitting there? And they went like quiet everybody, And I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, you're not gonna open the door.
Speaker 2: He would not open the door. I went home and no, lie.
Speaker 2: Maybe about an hour or too late, I got a
Speaker 2: call from a number I didn't know. I said hello,
Speaker 2: This woman said are you and Greg still together? And
Speaker 2: me being the bad meaning that I could be, I said, yes,
Speaker 2: we are still married. No, nor we are divorced. I
Speaker 2: was like, yes, we are still married. And she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: way good and I was like, girl, I'll get off
Speaker 2: my line.
Speaker 1: And that was that.
Speaker 2: I was like, Greg, you better come back home now.
Speaker 1: Do you think you can sustain a friendship or a
Speaker 1: relationship on reality TV?
Speaker 2: A healthy relationship, you guys have to be very very strong.
Speaker 1: What about friendships? Can you have a really strong friendship?
Speaker 1: No way? Right?
Speaker 2: No way?
Speaker 1: I agree, Like it's.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that you can. I don't care how
Speaker 2: strong you are in your friendship. The weakest link is
Speaker 2: the one they're gonna get. Because I always say they
Speaker 2: can't get me. Well, the weakest link they will.
Speaker 1: It's also the oh they'll always get the weakest link.
Speaker 1: But also that many times it feels really strong because,
Speaker 1: like I said, you're in battle together and you feel
Speaker 1: like you and all you talk you notice you have
Speaker 1: friends on the show. All you talk about the show,
Speaker 1: next time we're gonna do a show, that scene we
Speaker 1: just did, that scene, we're going to do the press
Speaker 1: came out the reunion. It's all you talk about.
Speaker 2: You know. The thing with me and my friend ship,
Speaker 2: Like I could give you an example, like from Marlowe for.
Speaker 1: Example, she's still friend.
Speaker 2: We're still friends. Oh, I mean we're you know, we're friends,
Speaker 2: but the friendship is different now that she is a
Speaker 2: housewife on the.
Speaker 1: Show while she's on and you're off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like, you know, kind of like
Speaker 2: you're not friends.
Speaker 1: She doesn't really want to talk to you. But I
Speaker 1: think that's going on because the producers are telling her
Speaker 1: not to tell you and lots to you know, be
Speaker 1: friendly with me. So there's like a big elephant in
Speaker 1: the room with half the things she talked about.
Speaker 2: I have to say. When we were on the show together,
Speaker 2: she we were friends, and she knew that she wasn't
Speaker 2: my puppet or whatever it is. And they would say
Speaker 2: things like, you know, you're like you're kissing me me's
Speaker 2: ass and and and she knew that wasn't happening, but
Speaker 2: somehow they got into her head and she was like,
Speaker 2: everybody thinks that I'm like kissing your ass, and I'm
Speaker 2: not kissing her. And so she wanted to be like
Speaker 2: her own because whatever, I don't know, they all wanted
Speaker 2: to understand that it's designed for drama.
Speaker 1: So like if something's designed for drama and you put
Speaker 1: a bunch of people together in a very stressful situation.
Speaker 1: Alcohol always sounds like a great idea. Did you ever like,
Speaker 1: how thirsty would you be? Like you're thirsty and you're
Speaker 1: drinking alcohol, it seems like a great idea to get wasted.
Speaker 1: You say something stupid, you say something else stupid. You
Speaker 1: can't stop down. You're in your head about it. You
Speaker 1: know six months from now you're going to live it,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's a perpetual state of stress. You
Speaker 1: get home, you get back in the car from a scene,
Speaker 1: you talk to a producer who tells you whatever you
Speaker 1: want to hear, but you're hearing the opposite thing from
Speaker 1: the other person because they're being told whatever they want
Speaker 1: to hear by a producer. And you do it all
Speaker 1: over again for the name of fame and money, which
Speaker 1: is why people are on antidepressants and anti anxiety.
Speaker 2: WHOA. I think also they are being It just depends
Speaker 2: though they're they're definitely being told like if you have
Speaker 2: a friend on this show, like you need to get
Speaker 2: out of her ass and go do some be friends
Speaker 2: with this person? They kind of I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: just no way possible to have a friendship and be
Speaker 2: on these show.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There's a whiteboard in an office.
Speaker 1: If you see in the whiteboards, there's a board in
Speaker 1: an office that says this one should go with this one.
Speaker 1: And then they got to go talk about that. And
Speaker 1: you're get in the car and they're reminding you, make
Speaker 1: sure you tell Nini you don't want to invite her
Speaker 1: to your party. And then you get out and you
Speaker 1: have your market orders. But they've told Nini, make sure
Speaker 1: you tell Bethany she's still with a younger man. And
Speaker 1: everybody's got there. And then and then you come out
Speaker 1: and we're battling, and and you're paranoid, and it's a
Speaker 1: state of it's a state of anxiety. You're constantly you're
Speaker 1: constantly battling. You gotta be winning, or you got to
Speaker 1: be killing, or you're getting killed.
Speaker 2: It's what's going on. To be honest with you, I
Speaker 2: don't even think it has to be that way. No,
Speaker 2: I don't really think that. It probably would be better
Speaker 2: if everybody just kind of just wins kind of. I mean,
Speaker 2: you may need a little direction, but I don't feel
Speaker 2: like they have to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe a little direction. It's a whole. It's just
Speaker 1: a it's a different animal now because it's also competitive.
Speaker 1: It is so I think that the I think that
Speaker 1: the r in the entire franchise. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I explain that a franchise is like a Dunkin Donuts franchise.
Speaker 1: Each store is managed differently, So Atlanta has a different
Speaker 1: management team, and that franchise could be nice and perfect
Speaker 1: and New York could be sloppy and dirty. Like everybody
Speaker 1: thinks it's like one group just producing it, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's different little production companies that are producing and that's
Speaker 1: a different franchise. Z. So I say that they're all different,
Speaker 1: but there are many similarities and many of the producers
Speaker 1: go from one to the other. They're like a traveling
Speaker 1: circus that go and move around and their job is
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I talk about this and we're
Speaker 1: going about to get into the reality reckoning, but that
Speaker 1: it's the upside down because what's celebrated on reality TV.
Speaker 1: If you tell someone to go fuck themselves and you
Speaker 1: out them and you say something and it's really explosive
Speaker 1: and it's going to change the season, you get rewarded
Speaker 1: in every other area of your life and what we're
Speaker 1: teaching our kids to do. In any other world, that
Speaker 1: would not be okay. So if Jane drinks twelve Margarita's
Speaker 1: and she's an alcohol and she went off the wagon,
Speaker 1: the cameras come flying in and the producers are high
Speaker 1: fiving because Jane fucking went off the wagon, which is
Speaker 1: all they've been waiting for her to do. Anyway. So
Speaker 1: when people say no one ever forced anyone to drink alcohol,
Speaker 1: that's true. But by having it everywhere and by people
Speaker 1: being sleep deprived and stressed and it be you know,
Speaker 1: it being celebrated, it's an environment prone to drinking, screaming, shouting, stressing,
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been told to drink alcohol. I personally
Speaker 2: like alcohol, so they don't have to tell me. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna thank you drink.
Speaker 1: But don't you feel like you drank more doing it, because.
Speaker 2: I am probably probably, you know, I mean I learned,
Speaker 2: because you know, you learn, you know, as time goes.
Speaker 2: I've definitely been drunk on camera before, but you do
Speaker 2: learn as time go on. Like I was like, we're
Speaker 2: doing a scene today, okay, so I need to be
Speaker 2: very conscious, honey, I will not have a drink. I
Speaker 2: will have the drink, I will sit out of it,
Speaker 2: but I need to be very conscious. So you learn,
Speaker 2: you know, as you stay on the show, you learn
Speaker 2: how to do it. Some people don't. Some people need
Speaker 2: a drink to take the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's fair, and I often did. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good idea. You and I are both
Speaker 1: you know, we were we played the game very very well,
Speaker 1: and we watched just like two athletes watching each other's
Speaker 1: team play. I'm sure you've watched me play. I'm sure
Speaker 1: i've you know, I definitely watched you play. And in
Speaker 1: watching you play, I sometimes saw you at reunions double
Speaker 1: down on being frustrated or furious and not like like
Speaker 1: I said what I said, like you always stuck stuck
Speaker 1: to it, but sometimes in a way that I thought
Speaker 1: was like imploding, like it was doing damage to yourself,
Speaker 1: like you could just sort of hear what people were saying,
Speaker 1: absorb it, go a little calmer, a little gentler, and
Speaker 1: instead I always watched you double and triple down, and
Speaker 1: I thought, you're gonna make more trouble for yourself. You're
Speaker 1: gonna make more like you're gonna add gasoline to the
Speaker 1: fire and I wanna talk about that, Like your style
Speaker 1: to me was like fuck you and fuck all of
Speaker 1: you and I'll give a fuck what you say, and
Speaker 1: that's what happened and that's it, and it would be
Speaker 1: like no receiving of what anyone was saying. That's what
Speaker 1: I saw something.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I am the kind of person.
Speaker 2: For me, I keep it real and it is what
Speaker 2: it is. And I'm not really the kind of person
Speaker 2: who backpedals. Now, I do understand that there's times when
Speaker 2: you need to apologize for things because I may see
Speaker 2: it one way, you may not see it that way,
Speaker 2: and I need to respect how you feel. So I
Speaker 2: do get that part. But I am the kind of
Speaker 2: girl keeps it real. Now now I'm a different kind
Speaker 2: of girl. Okay. Now now now I used to be
Speaker 2: the kind of girl that keeps it one hundred, but
Speaker 2: now I keep it about seventy.
Speaker 1: Because you're playing the game a little because you're a
Speaker 1: little afraid.
Speaker 2: Right, and I don't think everybody wants one.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because it's funny that you say that
Speaker 1: we're going to get into the closet and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Because it's funny that you say that by the same
Speaker 1: token when watching there's a respect that I have for
Speaker 1: it in the way that you did keep it one
Speaker 1: hundred because you're like, and we said it, can we
Speaker 1: move on? Motherfucker? Like, there's something about that that I like,
Speaker 1: you know, because I there's something about me. Because the
Speaker 1: thing is about society today. Everybody fucking wants you to
Speaker 1: be totally real, but they don't really because if you
Speaker 1: really say what you think. If I say that I
Speaker 1: thought that Taylor Swift was over the top a little
Speaker 1: with the guy at the Kansas City City Chiefs game,
Speaker 1: which I did, everybody says I'm bashing. I'm not bashing.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying a feeling that I had in my body.
Speaker 1: But you're not allowed to express You're not allowed to
Speaker 1: have an opinion.
Speaker 2: You know. Again, you have to keep it about seventy five.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's a great line. That's a great by the way,
Speaker 1: you should like join that key. I'm taking it seventy five.
Speaker 2: About seventy five now, I think keeping it one hundred.
Speaker 2: You can keep it one hundred with your very close circle.
Speaker 1: Keeping it seventy five. It's brilliant and it's a little sad.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's a little sad because it's not okay though.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna give you a little bit real and
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna hold the wrist back.
Speaker 1: That's a keep. Are you keeping it one hundred today
Speaker 1: or seventy five?
Speaker 2: No, I'm keeping it about eighty two.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully we're gonna go. We're gonna raise the fucking
Speaker 1: grade because I'm not doing eight.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't get no, I ain't getting.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I will keep it a hundred. But honestly,
Speaker 2: you know, this is serious. A lot of times people
Speaker 2: say they want to hear the truth, but honestly.
Speaker 1: No, by the way, I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree, because when you walk out, they're like that
Speaker 2: was harsh, or she was mean, or you're.
Speaker 1: Weigh in on this. I want to hear what you
Speaker 1: think about. Then you get canceled. No, I know it's
Speaker 1: it's so now.
Speaker 2: You're just like, you know, I gotta kinda So this
Speaker 2: is how you do it. If you talk about Taylor
Speaker 2: and the guy I don't know a little over the time,
Speaker 2: you say, okay for the game, she looks beautiful. This
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