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Speaker 1: So I want to say hello to all of you.

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Speaker 1: And I've never had a housewife on until Jill Zarin

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Speaker 1: just a reuniting, and it was for a very specific reason.

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Speaker 1: But my show is not typically about housewives. And the

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Speaker 1: guest that's here today I have been thinking about having

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Speaker 1: Is this right? And it's not that I don't think

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Speaker 1: she'd be great for the show. It's that I only

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Speaker 1: want to have someone on if there's something really to discuss,

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Speaker 1: if there's just if it's coming out of me. So

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Speaker 1: today our guest is Needy Leaks.

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Speaker 2: Oh do I hear a round of an applause?

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Speaker 1: Here? Girl, you are here? I'm so We're in Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are.

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Speaker 1: You and I talked a couple of times. You sounded

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Speaker 1: very different than I've ever heard you. And the first

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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say, just overall, is are you okay?

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Speaker 2: I'm better? How about that I'm better? There was a

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Speaker 2: time when I wasn't okay, but I am better now,

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Speaker 2: and I know that I'm gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: So you're in a transitional state, so I think.

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Speaker 2: So I'm in my head a lot. I don't even

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Speaker 2: know if you know that. Maybe sometimes I'm like really

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Speaker 2: in my head. I've never been an overthinker, and now

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Speaker 2: I kind of like don't trust nobody, Like I never

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Speaker 2: and so now I'm like looking at everybody like, okay,

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Speaker 2: so what they're trying to do, So, what they're trying

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Speaker 2: to say, trying to sit me up, you know, so,

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Speaker 2: and I hate that kind of thing. But I'm okay,

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Speaker 2: I really am.

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Speaker 1: It's coming through because we spoke a couple of times

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Speaker 1: as far as have this happened, I have thought about

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Speaker 1: doing something with you, as you know, because I've called

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Speaker 1: into it. But I've always been intrigued by you. I've

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Speaker 1: to be recently and it was just you've commented I'm

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Speaker 1: something recently you commented. I commented back because I sort

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Speaker 1: of felt like you needed an Internet hug. I can't

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Speaker 1: explain it. I had like an energy about like you

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Speaker 1: You gave me a high five, you said cheers to you,

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Speaker 1: just said to my producers, now it's time, because I've

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Speaker 1: And then we spoke. I spoke to someone from your

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Speaker 1: It was about this was about a post that Bravo

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Speaker 1: Well, yours is heard now. And I recognize coming into

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Speaker 2: Okay, So my mom had my brother at eighteen and

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Speaker 2: My mom is from Athens, Georgia, which is right outside

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Speaker 2: you know, her other daughter, like, you know, girl, you're

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Speaker 1: Well, if you had, if she had gone on to

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Speaker 1: You have to make explanations. Is that your mom? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of my mom, it's my hand. You have

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Speaker 2: And then that would be pierced when I didn't see

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Speaker 2: But you know, even when I got to my teen

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And I have a relationship with him now his father

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he would ever acknowledge that. It's

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because I was like, this

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Speaker 2: I finally got away from him, I said, I'm never

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Speaker 2: I don't think. So he asked me to go on

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Speaker 1: It's what I thought, Well, you probably didn't have the

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Speaker 2: No, And I remember the first day we went to

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Speaker 2: I always credit Greg for teaching me how to eat dessert.

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Speaker 2: But he always was a dessert guy.

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Speaker 2: So we had a dessert. I remember getting back in

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Speaker 2: how old was he? I know he was like forty one.

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Speaker 2: We were not off to the races. He said to

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Speaker 2: And I was just thinking I was going out to eat,

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Speaker 2: And he said to me one day at lunch, he said,

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Speaker 2: And I said it is not possible, sir, like I

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Speaker 1: Was he the love your life?

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Speaker 2: He was the love of my life. Like I tell

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Speaker 2: I did not like Greg. In fact, I thought he

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Speaker 2: had all nice shoes. I did not like his pants.

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Speaker 2: I did not like anything. Honestly, when I tell you,

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Speaker 2: that man charmed me. He told me like knowing him,

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Speaker 2: like two weeks in he said, you remind me of

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Speaker 1: And like, wow, that is beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I said, there's no fucking way he has lost his mind.

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Speaker 1: And sure enough you were.

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Speaker 2: And I was six months into dating and we got engaged.

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Speaker 2: Really six months one year after dating, we were married.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking today and the many thoughts I've had

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Speaker 2: You know, I believe that Greg would have been probably

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's gonna be a problem, what's

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Speaker 2: now today around me, he probably would be fifty to fifty.

435
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: He probably would be like, I'm not sure.

436
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: And maybe that's difficult for you that he was your

437
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: sounding board and you're gonna do all this alone. The

438
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: biggest thing that's ever really happened.

439
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: Is I've needed him so much since he's been gone.

440
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, this is some big shit.

441
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: You're dealing with big girl shit, and we're older now

442
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: and we're thinking, we're reflecting on our lives and what

443
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: the meaning is and you've been through it, okay, So.

444
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 2: You know what I would tell him right now is

445
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: I would always laugh at him because he always wore

446
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: glasses and he would be squenching hisself. One of these days,

447
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna be squenching your eyes like that too, and

448
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna need some glasses too. And I have to say, Greg,

449
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: I think I need a glass. The day is here already,

450
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: the day is here. I'm starting to squint.

451
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: Well, I don't remember how you and I first met.

452
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: I remember one time being in Atlanta, on us having dinner.

453
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: I remember us doing a whole plane ride together, presumably

454
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: from Atlanta, and I remember a couple of things you

455
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: said to me, which will be interesting, and I then

456
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: I haven't spent that much time with you. I've always

457
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: just admired you from afar. On the plane, you said

458
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: to me that you can only ever oh sorry. And

459
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: the third time I saw you, you came to an

460
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: event that I was doing with two of your girlfriends,

461
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: and you said to me, and you were the new

462
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: girl in town. You were in the new show in town.

463
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: This is crazy, you guys. I was on the New

464
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: York Housewives. Atlanta and Jersey came later. We thought, oh

465
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: my god, what a dumb idea. You know, there were

466
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 1: new people coming in. We were probably wanting to, you know,

467
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: be protective over it, and we didn't understand it. And

468
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: Jersey came in, and Atlanta was coming in, and Nini came.

469
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: I invited her. I don't know why or how we

470
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: knew each other, but she came to an event of mine,

471
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: a cocktail event. She brought two girlfriends and she said,

472
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: I have to leave them here with you because I

473
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: have to go be Andy's date for a party. Because

474
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: she was the new shiny toy. You were the new

475
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: popular girl. We were ready. I was, I had dust

476
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: on me. So you left your friends with me at

477
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: a party?

478
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: You know right? No, I went to Anderson Cooper's house.

479
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: Oh, you were the new shiny toy. I was. You

480
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: left me with your friends. I took your friend. How

481
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: funny is it? I took your friends to three places.

482
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: One was a hamp one was a Gotham magazine party,

483
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: and Beyonce performed for like two hundred people. They thought

484
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: I was the coolest person they ever met. I didn't

485
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: even know she was gonna perport, but I took them Beyonce.

486
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: It gets on stage, and then I take them to

487
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: a club, and they will verify this. I take them

488
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: to a club. We get to the front and the

489
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: guy at the front won't let us in, and so

490
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: we go inside to STK and I'm pissed off. We

491
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: go inside and I'm like, I'm fucking pissed, and they're like,

492
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, We're having funny here. The music

493
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: stood here, and I'm like, no, I'm pissed, and I

494
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: tell now the owners of the place, and I say,

495
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let me dance air? And we walked

496
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: back the front and I started cursing the guy out

497
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: in front, and so, you're gonna fucking let us in here?

498
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: And they let me and your two friends in. We

499
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: go downstairs and I meet my ex husband, my daughter's father.

500
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: So I wish I live well. I love my daughter,

501
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: She's beautiful, but it was a challenging ten year divorce,

502
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: and I wish I listened to them to stay at

503
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: stk let.

504
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: My daughter. We were together and I needed to go

505
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: to Anderson Cooper's house and I didn't want to bring

506
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: any guests with me to Anderson.

507
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: You want to roll tight?

508
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go and

509
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: meet Andy. He's already there. And this girl meet her

510
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: husband that night?

511
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: Is that insane? It was the tenth of June, Yeah,

512
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: because he was who was DJing?

513
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: Was he DJing?

514
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: Oh no? No, that was their tenth verse or you know,

515
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: he was just there and I was dancing and yeah, no,

516
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: So I met my ex on that night, which is insane.

517
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: But then on the.

518
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: Into Anderson Cooper's house, he lives in that fire fire

519
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: firehouse department, and I thought it was so creative. I

520
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: was like, wow, so this is how you have to

521
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: get a house in New York City. You have to

522
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: buy fire department. And I remember he still had the

523
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: little thing in the middle of the floor, and I

524
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 2: thought it was just beautiful and creative. Well, he loved me.

525
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: It was so interesting, and Anderson Cooper loved it. Was so

526
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: surprising how him and Andy became friends because Anderson loved.

527
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: Me, Anderson loved you. And you have to admit that

528
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: you were the favorite child at that point, right, you

529
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: guys were, come, what's.

530
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: That the favorite? If I had to be honest, looking back,

531
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: I probably I probably thought I was the favorite. I

532
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: didn't see everything that was to.

533
00:25:48,760 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Come understand, but at that time, you were definitely I think.

534
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: I mean I thought I probably was thinking to myself

535
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: from his favorite.

536
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: I felt a little jilted, just I mean, if I

537
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: didn't know, I wouldn't know. But you were just like, oh,

538
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: my friends are staying here because I'm going with Andy,

539
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, interesting, Like my mind just and

540
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: I became the favorite at some point, and we all

541
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: and I often think about that, which we're definitely getting into.

542
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: But on that plane you said to me, when we

543
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: were on a plane together, you said, I only can

544
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: focus on one thing at a time. I can only

545
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: do one thing well at a time. Do you do

546
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: you feel that way anymore?

547
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: No?

548
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: I can definitely multitest. Are you kidding me?

549
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: Does that make sense that you said that?

550
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: Yes, but I can multitest. Now.

551
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: I believe you. I agree with you.

552
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: You have to. You have to.

553
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: So am I allowed to ask about that you danced

554
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: and that that came out on the show. Okay, so

555
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: so explain that journey.

556
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: You mean stripper?

557
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what were you doing in work overall?

558
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: I was a single mom at the time and I

559
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: was trying to I had gotten away from the person

560
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: I was dating that was abusing me, and I needed

561
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: a job. And strip clubs are very popular in Atlanta.

562
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: It's a nude state where you can be completely nude.

563
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: I know a lot of states are you know, topless

564
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: or whatever, but not Georgia. And all the college girls

565
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 2: on my campus were dancing, and I thought I just

566
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: looked in a paper and it said new models. Well,

567
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: I used to model, so I thought, okay, well surely

568
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: I can be a nude model. Let me just go

569
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: and see. And it landed me inside of Cheetahs Strip Club.

570
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Is it a good one? Is it still there?

571
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: That's a good one. It's not there anymore now, but

572
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: it's a very good one. Actually, Cheaters is still there.

573
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: It was the Gold club that wasn't there. And I

574
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: walked inside and I'd never done this before. I just

575
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: need to make some money. I was a single mom,

576
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: and they actually to see the house mom upstairs, the

577
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: house mom whatever. And when I got upstairs, she said

578
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: we had to take our clothes off, and I took

579
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: my clothes off, and then she said that we need

580
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: to go out on the dance floor. You know, they

581
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: gave us like something to go out and just let

582
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: her see us dance for a few seconds. Because I

583
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: know how to dance, you know how to move, but yeah,

584
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: but I didn't know how to dance like you know,

585
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: like being all sexy. I was like, okay, this is

586
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: some new stuff. So I'm looking around at other girls

587
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: and I'm learning that, you know, I need to get

588
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: sexy with it, and the rest is history. I ended

589
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: up being in the strip club lifestyle for probably a

590
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: good three years.

591
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: What was that like? Were people respectful? Did you make

592
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: a lot of money?

593
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: Like?

594
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: What was I.

595
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: Worked at really nice strip clubs, so you know, there's

596
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: some trashy ones and there's some that are really nice,

597
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: while all the girls are driving nice cars and the

598
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: men are really tipping. And I worked on day shift

599
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: a lot because I was a mom, a single mom,

600
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: and my son would be in school during the day,

601
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: so I would drive him to school, a private school.

602
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: I would drive him to a private school, and then

603
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I drive my ass to the stripper.

604
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Did he know what your job was? So?

605
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: He was very young?

606
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: He was very young? And do you still do you

607
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: ever run into anyone? Do you speak to anyone you

608
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: worked with?

609
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: I have run into a couple of girls that I

610
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: danced with in the past. But no.

611
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: And isn't it funny that if think about all the

612
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: things when we were on reality TV that we didn't like,

613
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: mention and because you were probably ashamed and now you.

614
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: I did it later tried. I want to say.

615
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: No.

616
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: It was on season one or two we had Derrek

617
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: Blinks as our photographer and we did these photos where

618
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: we were like I can't remember what he called them,

619
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: but you know, our one life and in our past life.

620
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: In my past life, I was.

621
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: A stripper and you came out with it. Oh you were,

622
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: I do some reason. I thought it was that someone

623
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: said something and you felt like you had to bring it.

624
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: You brought it into.

625
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: No I talked about it and did it on a

626
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: whole thing. I always kind of own did because honestly,

627
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: the truth is, I kind of really liked it.

628
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: I've always been intrigued by it. I kind of really

629
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: liked it.

630
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing, but I really did like you

631
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: felt I did. And I actually could control a lot

632
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: of guys too, So I kind of liked it. I did.

633
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: You were in charge. You were in control.

634
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: I wrote about it in my book. I think maybe

635
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: around season three I wrote a memoir and I talked

636
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: about my life as a stripper, like I kind of

637
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: always talked about it because it taught me a lot. Honestly,

638
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: it taught me a lot. I could finally, for the

639
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: first time, pay my rent and my light bills, and

640
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: I have to ask anybody in charge. George, I got

641
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: me a new car from the Strip Club. The strip

642
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Club actually really helped me a lot.

643
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: So where did you go from there? Like? What was

644
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: your next job?

645
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: And how did you my next job? Craziest thing is

646
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: I had met my husband, met Greg. I had started

647
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: working for Lang Coomb Cosmetics inside of.

648
00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Macy's doing people's makeup, no selling makeup. I'm still around, Yeah,

649
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: of course like that. So they have a great Underie

650
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: Concealer and.

651
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: Lancomb Yeah of course. So I started working for Lank Home.

652
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: I worked inside of Macy's and I kind of moved

653
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: around the department store on the bottom floor doing perfumes,

654
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: doing makeup. Very social, yes, And when I met my husband,

655
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: my husband was the breadwinner and he kind of took

656
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: me from working period.

657
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: So you weren't really a career woman then, Like you

658
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: weren't that driven. You were driven, but you didn't know

659
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: what you were moving towards.

660
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to do. Now. When

661
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: I got married, I knew I wanted to be an actress, right.

662
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: So you did you want fame or you wanted to

663
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: be an actress or they want to being together?

664
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: I never thought I never thought about reality TV. I

665
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: only thought about I'm an actress. It didn't really exist

666
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: and I wanted to be an actress. So once I

667
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: got my husband and I'm sitting at home and I

668
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: don't have anything to do, I started taking acting classes

669
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. In Atlanta, okay, Nick KNTI, hey, how are

670
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: you doing? Our acting coach? And so I took my

671
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: acting class and my husband would pay for them, and

672
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: I don't my husband never thought for one second that

673
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: I would make it.

674
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So what does that mean?

675
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: I don't.

676
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: I just not. I just think he thought it was

677
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: a cute little hobby you were doing.

678
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that he ever thought. And I

679
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: would tell him that I want to go to Hollywood

680
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: one day, and I was dreaming of going to Hollywood.

681
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: I love the sunset sign that I would see like

682
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: pictures of I wish I could see that sign that's

683
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: as sunset. And I finally years past and my husband

684
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: was able to purchase me a ticket to go to

685
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: Pilot season in California.

686
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: But how who's representing you? How do you know what

687
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: you're doing?

688
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: Nobody was representing me. I was representing myself so perfect.

689
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: So let me tell you what I was doing. I

690
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: took headshots in Atlanta. I had a book that lists

691
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: all the agents. So I was stuffing in Beloved with

692
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: with my freaking headshot.

693
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: And no one's But don't say somebody called you back.

694
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: Nobody, you know what. I probably got one call, but

695
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: nobody ever really called me back. And I learned that

696
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: that was this thing called pilot season where you go

697
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: out to la and all these opportunities are there where

698
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: they weren't really there like that.

699
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: So you have to be represented the only way. That's

700
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: how I got to I went to the Church of

701
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Scientology because somebody called me back from the thing, and

702
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: I ended up at the Church of Science.

703
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: So I ended up learning about this agency that used

704
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: extra pay you, I don't know, extra casting, and pay

705
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: us twenty five dollars or something to sit. So I

706
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: got a.

707
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Central Central Casting, Ye sacil cast.

708
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: I became a part of Central Casting. They would send

709
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: me everywhere to be an extra, and I would sit

710
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: there and be like, I don't know why I'm not acting.

711
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: Why are all these people like I could do that,

712
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: I could do this, I could do that, I could

713
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: do this. And one day I met Robbie Reid Humes.

714
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: I tell everybody, Robbie Reid Humes changed my life.

715
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: Who is that. Do I know her?

716
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh, she's a she's a female. She's a very big

717
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: casting director out in Los Angeles. He's a black woman.

718
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: She was casting all of the African American shows like Girlfriends,

719
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: The Parkers, that was with Monique and I think her

720
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: name is Countess or something, all of those shows. And

721
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: she was working with Ruben Stuttard. He was another big

722
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: casting director out there. And I was like, I gotta

723
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: get to them, and I gotta get to them. And

724
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: this is when I know that Hollywood was tricky. So

725
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: I went in. I auditioned. Robbie loved me, and I

726
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: auditioned for this big role for Fighting Temptations and it

727
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: was gonna be Cuba Gooding Junior and beyond Fight and

728
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people in there, and she loved me

729
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: for the part. They called me back and said I

730
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: did not get the part. They loved me, but I

731
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: didn't get it. But they had an idea for me

732
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: to be guess what a.

733
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: Stripper coincidentally or because they know they knew you're saying, I.

734
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: Don't know if they knew or not, but the role

735
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: of a stripper. I was like, okay, So I ended

736
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: up doing that. I did. I took it. I ended

737
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: up being the little stripper really quick, a little part

738
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: where Cooper was walking into some nice spot and it

739
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: was me and a couple of girls on stage dancing. Man.

740
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: We said something like, hey, welcome to the I mean,

741
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. And from that I needed to get

742
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: You have to get under five.

743
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to get your line sag after car.

744
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: That was the way they make you do a whole

745
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: lot more now to get it. And I really needed

746
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: to get it, and I was. I was so thankful

747
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: to Robbie Read for helping me to get I had

748
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: a sad card from that point on. Uh. She ended

749
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: up calling me to do a part in Girlfriends and

750
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: I just started doing little parts where I maybe had

751
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: one line or two words in the game. But I

752
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: was in the gang.

753
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: And Greg had money to support you like he did.

754
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: He was so Grant was doing really well for himself

755
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: and I was to stay at home, young, fabulous, beautiful

756
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: wife and so uh he flew me out to Los

757
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: Angeles and then I will fly back and I did

758
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: that probably for the next four years, and I never

759
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: do any thing well kind of sort of. Yeah, I

760
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: didn't get a dang thing right, I give a yeah

761
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: I did. But so I got back to Atlanta and

762
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: I said to myself, obviously, this is what I'm supposed

763
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: to be doing. I'm a housewife. I'm not gonna waste

764
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: my going back. Yeah, I got old, how old are

765
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: you at this point?

766
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: Now?

767
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: I'm in my thirties. Defeated, So I was like, I'm

768
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: not going to do this anymore. And the moment I

769
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: got defeated, that's when I met the lady who said,

770
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: guess what the real housewives are? Orange County casting director

771
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: is coming to Atlanta, Georgia. And I said, orange County.

772
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean, this is Atlanta. Why would Orange County be

773
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: coming around? And they were like, no, no, no, I mean

774
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: they're looking for the cast in Atlanta, but it's gonna

775
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: be something like the Orange County Housewives, but they're gonna

776
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 2: call it the Ladies of Atlanta or something. And I said, honey,

777
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: you need to send them my.

778
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Way back because you didn't care what it was. You again,

779
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: send them.

780
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: My way, honey, and she said, well they have to

781
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: you have to live behind gates. I said, oh, honey,

782
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: I live behind gates, okay, And she send the lady

783
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: to me honey, and the rest was history. I was

784
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: not looking for reality because I've always been a yeah.

785
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: But my whole thing was I'm an actress. I want

786
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: to be an actress. What are we doing?

787
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: The door closed? You through the window? Yes, I had

788
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: to get.

789
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: Through the Let me say you something about this casting director,

790
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: the lady who was doing it, and yeah, Princess Batten,

791
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: let me tell you I I blew her off for

792
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: probably a good two weeks. She kept calling why I

793
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: didn't really I didn't really I didn't really know.

794
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, you didn't understand what the medium was and.

795
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: I don't really know what the whole reality how that

796
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: was going to be. And so she said, you know,

797
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: are you gonna take this meeting or not? You know,

798
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: And that's how we kind of She kind of got

799
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: rough with me, like on the last phone call, and

800
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, girl, you can come tomorrow, and

801
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: no joke.

802
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: So you were one of the first ones cast on

803
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: that show, for sure. You were the first one.

804
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I was the first one.

805
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So now you enter into it, and do you

806
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: think you're on something hot? You think this is gonna

807
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: be a thing.

808
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: No, I thought I remember all of us girls getting together.

809
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: I remember, listen, I know this story like it was yesterday.

810
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: I say to Princess, Princess Lee's my house, she called

811
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: me before she gets out of my gate, she said,

812
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: who we love you? Who are your friends? And you know,

813
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: I started naming everybody. Charae wick Fields, these were your

814
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 2: real friends. Yeah, Me and Scharay and Greg and Bob.

815
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: We were all good friends. Okay, Yeah, her husband was

816
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: playing in the NFL at the time, and so we

817
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: would go with Charay and Bob to the game a lot.

818
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: So I said, Charay would feel Kim Zosiak and Kim, Well,

819
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: Kim and I lived. I lived in the neighborhood across

820
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: the street from Kim at the time. We ended up

821
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: living in the same neighborhood, but at this time she

822
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: lived across the street, and our children, my baby boy

823
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: and her daughter went to the same like little daycare

824
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood.

825
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: And she was single dating not God Big Papa, but single.

826
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: Actually when I met her, she was dating a different guy.

827
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: Okay, but you really liked her, like she was very cool.

828
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: You know what. We had the same trainer at the

829
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: gym too, and I was very interested in her because

830
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: when I would see her at the gym, she would

831
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: have a big blunt wig on. She would have a

832
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: cigarette and who the fuck is on the tree with

833
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: a cigarette and you know, walking on the trip and back.

834
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: At this time, this jogging suit was real popular, called juicy.

835
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah you remember that. She had color, yeah, bloors, she

836
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: had every color. And I would be so yeah. She

837
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: would walk in with jewelry and this blrd juicy couture

838
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: thing on.

839
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: So she was rocking that like you're not at the camera.

840
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: She was just and I would be looking at her

841
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: like this is an interesting white lady? Yes, And I

842
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: just never get over because actually, you know, I'm a

843
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: black ger. I never really saw white.

844
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: Women with is it an interesting white lady?

845
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: Is the white a wig on it? And I never

846
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: know white I don't really see white women with wig

847
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: on like that. And the the gym, the thing about

848
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: it is it looked like a wig to me. So

849
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: that's why I was like, Wow, this lady is really interesting.

850
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: She has a wig, a juicy couture sweatsuit, a lot

851
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: of jewelry. You know, she's a lot of things. You

852
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: pull up in a nice cloud side and your kids

853
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: are all dressed up with.

854
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: Two tools and just the whole thing.

855
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: This all kinds of stuff on. And I would be

856
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: so interested in her that I talked to her one

857
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: day and me and her kind of hit it off

858
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: from talking like that, and I when the producers would

859
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: come down to talk to us about this show called

860
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: The Ladies of Atlanta, I said to them, I have

861
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: this white lady I want to introduce you guys to

862
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: and they said, no, this is going to be an

863
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: all African American cast and we're not interested. And I

864
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: said to them, you really need to meet this white lady.

865
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: This is a different kind of white lady.

866
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Yes, and she is a different.

867
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: And so they were like, they really weren't interested, and

868
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: we were gonna have We were all meeting in Atlanta.

869
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: They were flying down Brian Hale, Hey, Brian, Hey, Brian,

870
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: it is And so I said, I want you to

871
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: meet her. I'm gonna bring her to the lunch. I

872
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: beg him to go to the lunch. She came to

873
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: the lunch. Seriously, these people were gun hole on this

874
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: is going to be an all African American cast. The

875
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: moment Kim walked in that room, they were just like me.

876
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: They were like, wow, I'm telling you five minutes and

877
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 2: they were scratching their head.

878
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: But you know that, Like I mean, and I know

879
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: that you've had your ups and downs with her, but

880
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: like you have to be grateful that you did bring

881
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: her in because the two of you made each other better.

882
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys together. Let's you guys were Jill

883
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: and myself like, you guys were.

884
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: I knew she was gonna be good. You guys when

885
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: they saw Kim, oh my god, they were like, honey,

886
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: but now we can't even down.

887
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: So we're so so so she was your good, good good.

888
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: Not good good girlfriend. She was just, you know, a lady.

889
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: I knew it.

890
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: But then you start to nurture it through the show

891
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: because nothing is real. You're living two worlds. That's me

892
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: and Jill. You're nurturing a relationship that's all about the show,

893
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: and the audience is seeing you become closer and closer,

894
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: and there's no other way to do it because you're

895
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: on the battlefield and you need someone next to you.

896
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: And that's why it's challenging when audiences say, oh, but

897
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: you guys were best friends, but the show needs you

898
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: to be best friends. Because they won't cast if you

899
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: don't seem like you're best friends.

900
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: As Kim came in with her cigarette and hung garment,

901
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: she these she says, it was so many things. Those

902
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: people were looking like, we have to have her.

903
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: But were you very close? Would you call yourself close

904
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: or were show friends?

905
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: I think I would never say we were very close.

906
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I would say that we were very cool.

907
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: Very cool. Do you regret going to the Mattresses with

908
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: her on the show?

909
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: Uh? No, I can't say that that.

910
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Is because do you feel that I always say that

911
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: the show, it's a zero sum game. Someone always has

912
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: to be winning and someone always has to be losing.

913
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: So you are either getting killed or killing somebody. There's

914
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: really very little middle.

915
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: That's very good.

916
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: It's the mafia. Yeah, you're killing or being killed. If

917
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: you're not. If you don't know who's getting whacked, you're

918
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: getting whacked. Yes, So it's so you know, I had

919
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: a makeup person here today doing my makeup and he's

920
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: good friends with Tinsley, and I was saying I really

921
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: liked her, which wouldn't be evident by the show, because

922
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: she was you know, she was a fine house. I

923
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: have a nice girl, but it's called get out of

924
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: the way. The grown ups are on the battlefield, and

925
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: that's the way the game is played. So it's very

926
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: difficult for the audience to understand why you have a

927
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: friend and then you don't have a friend, because if

928
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: there's something that somebody has on you, they're gonna fucking

929
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: bring it to the center of the table because that's

930
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: what the game is.

931
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: That kind of sucks.

932
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, am I wrong?

933
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: You're right?

934
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Has there ever been anything not brought to the front

935
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: of the table?

936
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: Everything? You cannot share anything with any of those girls

937
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: or have any secrets. Now you can have any secrets, right,

938
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: so do you did?

939
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: So? What about fame? What about money? You're coming on

940
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: the show? That was the beginning when we started too

941
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: and you were wearing a normal clothes. You didn't know

942
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to be in a photo shoot every

943
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: day once in a while, you get hair and makeup.

944
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: But I was sitting there in my raggedy clothes and

945
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the game starts moving quickly and

946
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: it gets glamorous and like you're competing, And so what

947
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: about the money, the cars, all that shit? On the show?

948
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: I was the underdog, like I was the underdog because

949
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: Ray was married to Bob and he had money. He

950
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: was a football player, him was dating Big Papa and

951
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: he had all this money. Deshaun Snow was with Eric Snow.

952
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: He was an NBA player, you know, Lisa Wool was

953
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: married to a football player. And my husband was just

954
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: a regular executive king. You know. No, I didn't find

955
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't feel poor because we were living

956
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 2: very nicely. I was the underdog though my husband didn't

957
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: have the money that these guys had got it and

958
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: we were definitely the underdog.

959
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: But how did that affect you? How did that field?

960
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: You feel insecure about it? I did something.

961
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: I did it. I just knew. I don't know how

962
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: I knew this. I knew like two weeks into shooting

963
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: that I had to be myself though that's the only

964
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: thing I had. And I said to myself, I feel

965
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: like every.

966
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Time I feel like every thought about it, you want

967
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: to show you, I'm going on, I'm.

968
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: Just gonna just be me because this is not working.

969
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: Like I can't pretend to be somebody else. I'm gonna

970
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: just have to be myself. So I just kind of

971
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: went in like being myself I did not know that

972
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: that was gonna work for me. Now, mind you, these

973
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: girls are wearing designer everything, and I am like girl,

974
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: I am just with my few little pieces. I don't

975
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: have the pieces that they have, and my few little pieces,

976
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna make it work out. Lo and behold. I

977
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: really think that they thought that they were going to

978
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: be the real popular ones when I look back on it,

979
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: but they were not.

980
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: You were the bust outside the yes, And I.

981
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Think because you know why, I think because I was

982
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: regular kind of. I was the underdog, and I think

983
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: everybody liked me because I was the underdog.

984
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: But did you believe into your own did you believe

985
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: your own bullshit? Did you buy into it? Did you

986
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: like take it to the next level and get because

987
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: from you think you did?

988
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: No? No, no. If you're saying, did I get glam

989
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, yeah no.

990
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: But there was a drastic change in original Nini, and

991
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you moved into rich bitch

992
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: and the cars and the glitch and everybody's game started

993
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: to elevate. And it looked like a lot of pressure.

994
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Like I look at Beverly Hills and I feel pressure.

995
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: I would not. I would be like Denise Richards showing

996
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: up on the balcony in pajamas, where you guys were

997
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: elevating the game, and every week it was a new

998
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: hairstyle and a new handbag and a new car and

999
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: a new show, and it felt competitive, a competitive sport,

1000
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: the Bentley's and the cars. And I would say that

1001
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: African Princess.

1002
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I would think that it was somewhat competitive. In Atlanta,

1003
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: everybody has a big house. I mean it's Georgia. I mean,

1004
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: so everybody can, right uh. And it's a lot more

1005
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: affordable to live in Georgia than it is to live

1006
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: in New York, you know, so people can't afford a

1007
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: nice size house, right uh. And I think that Cambs

1008
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: with Big Papa, he was given everything. I just think

1009
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: that it.

1010
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, you felt a pressure to be rich?

1011
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: You felt a pressure? Yeah, I could see. I could

1012
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: see that. And then also the cameras at everything.

1013
00:46:52,320 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1014
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: So now, looking back, do you feel that I often

1015
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: say that the situations that are the interaction is real, yes,

1016
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: but the circumstances might not be real. So it's not

1017
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: that you're necessarily friends with these people and having these

1018
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: conversations and do you think that do you feel that

1019
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: it's real? Do you feel that it was real? Do

1020
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: you feel that it changed, because I have a feeling

1021
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: when it changed in my mind, but I want to

1022
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: hear it, so.

1023
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: I will tell you. When we entered season one, it

1024
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: was real. Everything we said and did was real. The

1025
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: way our relationships fell apart were real. There were no

1026
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: we Me and Kim fell out. We really fell out,

1027
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: like we didn't make that shit up, Like we really

1028
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: bombed heads. Me and Chary really bumped heads.

1029
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: But why was it because of the show? Would you

1030
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: have bumped if it weren't for the show?

1031
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: You know, Mi and Cherai were already bumping his hands

1032
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: before the first camera ever even oh okay, we had

1033
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: already started like falling out. Okay, So it was really real.

1034
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: Its really it was really well real, And I think

1035
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: for us, I feel like the relationships started changing. The

1036
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 2: stories to me, like four or five season four or five,

1037
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: we were real. I often look at them and say

1038
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: that everybody on there is making sit.

1039
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Up now and storylines and what they're doing.

1040
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: That's that way.

1041
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's also because the game has

1042
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: been elevated every photo shoot has happened. Every leg has

1043
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: been thrown, table has been flipped, and they've seen all

1044
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: the previous seasons now when they come on, so they

1045
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: feel like they have to do something.

1046
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: They do. I'm telling you, when we entered, we were

1047
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: so good because we were real.

1048
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: It was I mean, you know, it was my favorite show.

1049
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: Authentic is I don't know what we were real?

1050
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: I know.

1051
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: And so now everybody has a fake boyfriend, a fake everything.

1052
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: Everything is fake everything, and they have all these stories

1053
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: they made of I don't know even know how it

1054
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: came up with them.

1055
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: Everything is faked. You do you feel so? I've spoken

1056
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: to a lot of women on a lot of different shows,

1057
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: and they've taken antidepressant. The pressure gets to them, the media,

1058
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: et cetera. Did you ever go really low while on

1059
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: the show in that way? Did you ever feel like.

1060
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: I was on camera going low a couple of times.

1061
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean, before the Greg stuff and before the later.

1062
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: If you remember, I can't I can't sometimes I can't

1063
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: call the seasons. It may have been season five or six.

1064
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: I was we I just know we were at the reunion.

1065
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: I was in all white. Doctor Jeff had come on

1066
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: our show.

1067
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I remember I.

1068
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: Felt it was a lot going on with all the

1069
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 2: girls were ganging up on me. I felt a lot

1070
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: of lot of pressure, and I really felt low at

1071
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: the reunion. I think I got up and walked out

1072
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: for the reunion. Doctor Jeff was there to try to help,

1073
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: let's get through it. I think there were a couple

1074
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: times and after that, Yeah, the other time was my husband. Yeah.

1075
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: Well, when you broke up with Greg the first time,

1076
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: do you think that the show played a part in it?

1077
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that the show had a negative effect

1078
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: on your relationship.

1079
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: I have to be honest. I can't say that the

1080
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: show was one hundred percent for me and Gregg's manience

1081
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: because we were together long before I walked on the show.

1082
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: We fell apart because we were falling apart. Honestly, the

1083
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: show did not help because I felt like my husband

1084
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: started feeling It's crazy. I know, I know it's crazy,

1085
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: but my husband started feeling really intimidated about me having

1086
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: my own money.

1087
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting, that's a dynamic.

1088
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: He really was not here for me to have my

1089
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 2: own money. I never saw that in him.

1090
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: Yes, because you never had.

1091
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I didn't need him to ask him

1092
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: for a bag or get my hair done or anything.

1093
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: And I feel like my husband got really intimidated about that.

1094
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: He would actually walk around and be like, she's gone Hollywood.

1095
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: He is really trip oh, like this is my own

1096
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: He didn't like that at all. My husband was a

1097
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: man's man. He was the kind of guy who provides,

1098
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: and he liked providing, and it made him feel good

1099
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: to provide, and it made him feel good for me

1100
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: to need him, and I kind of no longer needed

1101
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: him financially.

1102
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, did you go Hollywood?

1103
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: I don't think I went in Hollywood. I felt like

1104
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: I just had some money. You were evolving, Yeah, And

1105
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: I was with him since I was twenty eight, and

1106
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: I just think that I was my own woman now

1107
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: and I had my own money. I still loved him,

1108
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: but he was not happy about me having my own money.

1109
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: I will say that I did have more control or power,

1110
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: if you will.

1111
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: So, do you feel emasculated?

1112
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: You know what? I've been asked that before, and I

1113
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: feel like I may have done that to him a

1114
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: couple of times.

1115
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: I got that you're strong, You're strong.

1116
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: I feel like I may have done that, not intentionally,

1117
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: but looking back, I may have said things to him

1118
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: that was like, I don't know, probably because I had

1119
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: my own money, and I probably was like, you know what,

1120
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: I don't really need you like that, sir?

1121
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: How did you get back together?

1122
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: Whose choice was that crazy thing? He moved out. He

1123
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: moved out probably about a mile or two miles from

1124
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: our house, and I would drop my son off when

1125
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: it was time for him to have visitation with his

1126
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: dad and Greg and I wasn't speaking. And how we

1127
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: ended up speaking is I dropped Brent off one day

1128
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: and I was picking him up and he said he

1129
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: got in the call me. He said, my dad said

1130
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: to tell you hi. And I was like and then

1131
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: he was like, he's in the window. He's in the door. Mom,

1132
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: look my dad saying hi. And I looked and I

1133
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: was like, boy, hi, And kind of from that we

1134
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: just started talking.

1135
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: You missed him.

1136
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: It was kind of weird that he spoke to me

1137
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: that day and I was like, boy, out of here?

1138
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: But was here? Was he more comfortable with your fame?

1139
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Part two? When he came back to the change, he

1140
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: got more comfortable with the situation.

1141
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: I think he just kind of like became silent, and

1142
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: I think he was like, oh, forget it. Whatever, Nini

1143
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: is Nini now, And but he spoke to me, and

1144
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: that kind of like all it kind of took I

1145
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: did hear that he I knew he had a girl

1146
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: he was dating. I went over there one night. I

1147
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to. I mean, he wasn't my boyfriend and

1148
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: we had already divorced. But I think I was feeling territorial.

1149
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: I went by his place. I knew she was there,

1150
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: and his house was dark. On the front of the house,

1151
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: it looked completely dark. And something told me, walk around

1152
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: the bag. Now, why in the hell am I at

1153
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: this man house in the nighttime and they're in They're saying,

1154
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: walk around the bag, And let me tell you why.

1155
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: Because men are stupid. And so this is how this goes.

1156
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: I call him from a restaurant and he and I

1157
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: are talking left and right. We're just talking, talking, talking

1158
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: for a long time. He says, I'm gonna call you back.

1159
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: I mean we've probably been on the phone front like

1160
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: a couple hours talking. He says, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1161
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: take a bath and I'll call you back. Well, he's

1162
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: probably drowned by now. He hasn't called. It's been like

1163
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: two hours, like, what is going on? Where are you?

1164
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: And I called he wasn't aunty. He wouldn't answer, so

1165
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: a part of me was like, did he drown or

1166
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: did somebody come over there? I think I'll drive over

1167
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: his house. So I drove over there and in front

1168
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: of his house was dark, and then I said, okay,

1169
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: maybe he's sleep and then something said no. Girl parked

1170
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: the car and get out, and I got out and

1171
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: I walked around the back of his house and I

1172
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: saw the light so in the back, and he had blinds,

1173
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: and you know how the blind could be kind of

1174
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 2: opened a little bit, and I he through the blind

1175
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: and I saw him sitting at the bar with.

1176
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: A girl, and did you set the house on fire?

1177
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: I knocked on the door. I said, hello, is somebody

1178
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: sitting there? And they went like quiet everybody, And I

1179
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, you're not gonna open the door.

1180
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 2: He would not open the door. I went home and no, lie.

1181
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: Maybe about an hour or too late, I got a

1182
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: call from a number I didn't know. I said hello,

1183
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: This woman said are you and Greg still together? And

1184
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: me being the bad meaning that I could be, I said, yes,

1185
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 2: we are still married. No, nor we are divorced. I

1186
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: was like, yes, we are still married. And she was like, oh,

1187
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: way good and I was like, girl, I'll get off

1188
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: my line.

1189
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: And that was that.

1190
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: I was like, Greg, you better come back home now.

1191
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: Do you think you can sustain a friendship or a

1192
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: relationship on reality TV?

1193
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: A healthy relationship, you guys have to be very very strong.

1194
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: What about friendships? Can you have a really strong friendship?

1195
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: No way? Right?

1196
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: No way?

1197
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: I agree, Like it's.

1198
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: I don't believe that you can. I don't care how

1199
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: strong you are in your friendship. The weakest link is

1200
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: the one they're gonna get. Because I always say they

1201
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: can't get me. Well, the weakest link they will.

1202
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: It's also the oh they'll always get the weakest link.

1203
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: But also that many times it feels really strong because,

1204
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: like I said, you're in battle together and you feel

1205
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: like you and all you talk you notice you have

1206
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: friends on the show. All you talk about the show,

1207
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: next time we're gonna do a show, that scene we

1208
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: just did, that scene, we're going to do the press

1209
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: came out the reunion. It's all you talk about.

1210
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: You know. The thing with me and my friend ship,

1211
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: Like I could give you an example, like from Marlowe for.

1212
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: Example, she's still friend.

1213
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: We're still friends. Oh, I mean we're you know, we're friends,

1214
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: but the friendship is different now that she is a

1215
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: housewife on the.

1216
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: Show while she's on and you're off.

1217
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like, you know, kind of like

1218
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: you're not friends.

1219
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: She doesn't really want to talk to you. But I

1220
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: think that's going on because the producers are telling her

1221
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: not to tell you and lots to you know, be

1222
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: friendly with me. So there's like a big elephant in

1223
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: the room with half the things she talked about.

1224
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: I have to say. When we were on the show together,

1225
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: she we were friends, and she knew that she wasn't

1226
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: my puppet or whatever it is. And they would say

1227
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: things like, you know, you're like you're kissing me me's

1228
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: ass and and and she knew that wasn't happening, but

1229
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: somehow they got into her head and she was like,

1230
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: everybody thinks that I'm like kissing your ass, and I'm

1231
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: not kissing her. And so she wanted to be like

1232
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: her own because whatever, I don't know, they all wanted

1233
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 2: to understand that it's designed for drama.

1234
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: So like if something's designed for drama and you put

1235
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of people together in a very stressful situation.

1236
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: Alcohol always sounds like a great idea. Did you ever like,

1237
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: how thirsty would you be? Like you're thirsty and you're

1238
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: drinking alcohol, it seems like a great idea to get wasted.

1239
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: You say something stupid, you say something else stupid. You

1240
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: can't stop down. You're in your head about it. You

1241
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: know six months from now you're going to live it,

1242
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: and it's just it's a perpetual state of stress. You

1243
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: get home, you get back in the car from a scene,

1244
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: you talk to a producer who tells you whatever you

1245
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: want to hear, but you're hearing the opposite thing from

1246
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: the other person because they're being told whatever they want

1247
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: to hear by a producer. And you do it all

1248
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: over again for the name of fame and money, which

1249
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: is why people are on antidepressants and anti anxiety.

1250
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: WHOA. I think also they are being It just depends

1251
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: though they're they're definitely being told like if you have

1252
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: a friend on this show, like you need to get

1253
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: out of her ass and go do some be friends

1254
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: with this person? They kind of I don't know, there's

1255
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: just no way possible to have a friendship and be

1256
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: on these show.

1257
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There's a whiteboard in an office.

1258
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: If you see in the whiteboards, there's a board in

1259
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: an office that says this one should go with this one.

1260
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: And then they got to go talk about that. And

1261
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: you're get in the car and they're reminding you, make

1262
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: sure you tell Nini you don't want to invite her

1263
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: to your party. And then you get out and you

1264
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: have your market orders. But they've told Nini, make sure

1265
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: you tell Bethany she's still with a younger man. And

1266
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: everybody's got there. And then and then you come out

1267
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: and we're battling, and and you're paranoid, and it's a

1268
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: state of it's a state of anxiety. You're constantly you're

1269
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: constantly battling. You gotta be winning, or you got to

1270
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: be killing, or you're getting killed.

1271
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: It's what's going on. To be honest with you, I

1272
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: don't even think it has to be that way. No,

1273
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: I don't really think that. It probably would be better

1274
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: if everybody just kind of just wins kind of. I mean,

1275
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: you may need a little direction, but I don't feel

1276
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: like they have to do that.

1277
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: Well, maybe a little direction. It's a whole. It's just

1278
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: a it's a different animal now because it's also competitive.

1279
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: It is so I think that the I think that

1280
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: the r in the entire franchise. And by the way,

1281
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: I explain that a franchise is like a Dunkin Donuts franchise.

1282
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: Each store is managed differently, So Atlanta has a different

1283
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: management team, and that franchise could be nice and perfect

1284
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: and New York could be sloppy and dirty. Like everybody

1285
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: thinks it's like one group just producing it, it's not.

1286
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: It's different little production companies that are producing and that's

1287
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: a different franchise. Z. So I say that they're all different,

1288
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: but there are many similarities and many of the producers

1289
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: go from one to the other. They're like a traveling

1290
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: circus that go and move around and their job is

1291
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I talk about this and we're

1292
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: going about to get into the reality reckoning, but that

1293
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 1: it's the upside down because what's celebrated on reality TV.

1294
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: If you tell someone to go fuck themselves and you

1295
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: out them and you say something and it's really explosive

1296
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: and it's going to change the season, you get rewarded

1297
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: in every other area of your life and what we're

1298
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Speaker 1: teaching our kids to do. In any other world, that

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Speaker 1: would not be okay. So if Jane drinks twelve Margarita's

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Speaker 1: and she's an alcohol and she went off the wagon,

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Speaker 1: the cameras come flying in and the producers are high

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Speaker 1: fiving because Jane fucking went off the wagon, which is

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Speaker 1: all they've been waiting for her to do. Anyway. So

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Speaker 1: when people say no one ever forced anyone to drink alcohol,

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Speaker 1: that's true. But by having it everywhere and by people

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01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: being sleep deprived and stressed and it be you know,

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: it being celebrated, it's an environment prone to drinking, screaming, shouting, stressing,

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Speaker 1: sleep deprivation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been told to drink alcohol. I personally

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: like alcohol, so they don't have to tell me. I'm

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01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: just gonna thank you drink.

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Speaker 1: But don't you feel like you drank more doing it, because.

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Speaker 2: I am probably probably, you know, I mean I learned,

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Speaker 2: because you know, you learn, you know, as time goes.

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: I've definitely been drunk on camera before, but you do

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Speaker 2: learn as time go on. Like I was like, we're

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: doing a scene today, okay, so I need to be

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01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: very conscious, honey, I will not have a drink. I

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: will have the drink, I will sit out of it,

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Speaker 2: but I need to be very conscious. So you learn,

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Speaker 2: you know, as you stay on the show, you learn

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Speaker 2: how to do it. Some people don't. Some people need

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Speaker 2: a drink to take the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's fair, and I often did. I thought

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01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: it was a good idea. You and I are both

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Speaker 1: you know, we were we played the game very very well,

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Speaker 1: and we watched just like two athletes watching each other's

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Speaker 1: team play. I'm sure you've watched me play. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: i've you know, I definitely watched you play. And in

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01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: watching you play, I sometimes saw you at reunions double

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01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: down on being frustrated or furious and not like like

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: I said what I said, like you always stuck stuck

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: to it, but sometimes in a way that I thought

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: was like imploding, like it was doing damage to yourself,

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Speaker 1: like you could just sort of hear what people were saying,

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Speaker 1: absorb it, go a little calmer, a little gentler, and

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: instead I always watched you double and triple down, and

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: I thought, you're gonna make more trouble for yourself. You're

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01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: gonna make more like you're gonna add gasoline to the

1340
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: fire and I wanna talk about that, Like your style

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01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: to me was like fuck you and fuck all of

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: you and I'll give a fuck what you say, and

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: that's what happened and that's it, and it would be

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: like no receiving of what anyone was saying. That's what

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01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: I saw something.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I am the kind of person.

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Speaker 2: For me, I keep it real and it is what

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01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: it is. And I'm not really the kind of person

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Speaker 2: who backpedals. Now, I do understand that there's times when

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Speaker 2: you need to apologize for things because I may see

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: it one way, you may not see it that way,

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01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: and I need to respect how you feel. So I

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01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: do get that part. But I am the kind of

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01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: girl keeps it real. Now now I'm a different kind

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01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: of girl. Okay. Now now now I used to be

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Speaker 2: the kind of girl that keeps it one hundred, but

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Speaker 2: now I keep it about seventy.

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Speaker 1: Because you're playing the game a little because you're a

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Speaker 1: little afraid.

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Speaker 2: Right, and I don't think everybody wants one.

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting because it's funny that you say that

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into the closet and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Because it's funny that you say that by the same

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Speaker 1: token when watching there's a respect that I have for

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Speaker 1: it in the way that you did keep it one

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Speaker 1: hundred because you're like, and we said it, can we

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: move on? Motherfucker? Like, there's something about that that I like,

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01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, because I there's something about me. Because the

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: thing is about society today. Everybody fucking wants you to

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: be totally real, but they don't really because if you

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: really say what you think. If I say that I

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01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: thought that Taylor Swift was over the top a little

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Speaker 1: with the guy at the Kansas City City Chiefs game,

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Speaker 1: which I did, everybody says I'm bashing. I'm not bashing.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying a feeling that I had in my body.

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Speaker 1: But you're not allowed to express You're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: have an opinion.

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Speaker 2: You know. Again, you have to keep it about seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, that's a great line. That's a great by the way,

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Speaker 1: you should like join that key. I'm taking it seventy five.

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Speaker 2: About seventy five now, I think keeping it one hundred.

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Speaker 2: You can keep it one hundred with your very close circle.

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Speaker 1: Keeping it seventy five. It's brilliant and it's a little sad.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: It's a little sad because it's not okay though.

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna give you a little bit real and

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01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna hold the wrist back.

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Speaker 1: That's a keep. Are you keeping it one hundred today

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Speaker 1: or seventy five?

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01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm keeping it about eighty two.

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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully we're gonna go. We're gonna raise the fucking

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Speaker 1: grade because I'm not doing eight.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: I don't get no, I ain't getting.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I will keep it a hundred. But honestly,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is serious. A lot of times people

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01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: say they want to hear the truth, but honestly.

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Speaker 1: No, by the way, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I agree, because when you walk out, they're like that

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: was harsh, or she was mean, or you're.

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: Weigh in on this. I want to hear what you

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01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: think about. Then you get canceled. No, I know it's

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: it's so now.

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Speaker 2: You're just like, you know, I gotta kinda So this

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01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: is how you do it. If you talk about Taylor

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: and the guy I don't know a little over the time,

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: you say, okay for the game, she looks beautiful. This

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 2: is keeping it out.

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01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: Saving But I'm massagin and wrapping and frosting. Yeah. No,

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: I know that's think I'm wrapping in frosting and divers

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01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: I know i'm keeping it ninety three. You know I'm

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01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: keeping in ninety three. I maybe I haven't been through

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Speaker 1: the same war you've been through. I'm keeping in ninety three.