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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load. Michael

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Speaker 1: vari show is on.

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Speaker 2: The air because after dawn on October seventh, these Hamas

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Speaker 2: militants wearing body cameras took off from Gaza on motorcycles

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Speaker 2: loaded with weapons. Their target the small Israeli community of Sufa,

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Speaker 3: What people are starting to see, at least in the

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Speaker 4: The shocking events of early on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 5: You can see people.

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Speaker 6: Dancing at the no the music festival with no inkling

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Speaker 7: Two weeks ago or so, we celebrated or just it

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Speaker 7: took a moment I think in our country to remember

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Speaker 7: the Holocaust, and there's, you know, there's a kind of

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Speaker 6: And while Israel's military is not releasing the clips because

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Speaker 6: they're so graphic, they allowed us to describe what we saw,

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Speaker 6: including a terrorist throwing a grenade into a bomb shelter.

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Speaker 4: October seventh, it was the day of the attack on

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Speaker 4: Israel and Denesh Desuza has made a movie called Dragon's

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Speaker 4: Prophecy based on the book of the same name, and

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Speaker 4: that movie has just hit theaters. He will be our

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Speaker 4: guest to discuss his theories related to whether the Book

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Speaker 4: of Revelation and other biblical prophecies foretell what has happened

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Speaker 4: in Israel, Gaza with the Philistines, a modern day Palestinians,

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Speaker 1: You don't have to agree with it.

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Speaker 4: I take on a lot of conversations where I don't

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Speaker 4: I just like to hear people's opinion. I like to

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Speaker 4: So to commemorate October seventh. He will be our guest

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Speaker 4: coming up in just a few moments.

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Speaker 1: So we're not a.

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Speaker 4: Breaking news show, but I will tell you that it

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Speaker 1: The news broke. Oh, I don't know midday to day.

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Speaker 4: That four hundred National Guardsmen from Texas will be dispatched

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Speaker 4: by the President to Chicago for the crime crackdown in

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Speaker 1: It's just It's just.

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Speaker 4: Amazing to me how we've allowed this country to become

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Speaker 4: so derelict, how we have allowed such decay. It's you know,

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Speaker 4: I grew up in a in a home of a

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Speaker 4: And I was taught a series of values that some

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Speaker 4: good things, you don't waste things. You know, these are

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Speaker 4: these are important part of the Christian ethos. And you know,

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Speaker 4: there are a number of things that are not biblical

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Speaker 4: to godliness, for instance. But these are things that pastors

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Speaker 4: And I don't know how much much of my opinions

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Speaker 1: I came do on my own.

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Speaker 4: But I can tell you that I physically enjoy I

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Speaker 4: So when bad things happened, nobody would care. They would

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Speaker 4: And he said, there's no amount of money I could

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Speaker 4: That is the cost of illegal aliens coming to this country,

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Speaker 4: these things create a tribute to the collapse of our country. Well,

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Speaker 4: the country itself has not collapsed, but the cities have.

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Speaker 4: Chicago is broken, and in fact, if you look at

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Speaker 4: You know, I knew Ray Nagan was engaged in criminal

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Speaker 4: to get focused, you know. Pete heg Seth was talking

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Speaker 4: telling a group a couple of days ago. He said,

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Speaker 4: your diversity is not your strength, your unity of purposes

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Speaker 1: Thought, wow, I like that. That's good.

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Speaker 5: Your diversity is not your strength.

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Speaker 8: Your strength is your unity of purpose, your shared mission, your.

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Speaker 1: Love of mit the Michael Berry.

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Speaker 4: We keep learning more and more things that were revealed

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Speaker 4: called conspiracies and have now been verified.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's ever arrested, nobody's ever punished. I saw it yesterday,

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Speaker 4: here's a list of all Republicans arrested under the Joe

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Speaker 4: Trump, Walteene, Walt Nauta, Carlos de Olivera, Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro,

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Speaker 4: they are varying degrees of celebrity. Robert Montgomery, Sam Morehead,

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Speaker 4: already had Bannon, Tina Peters, George Papadopoulos plus one, two

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Speaker 4: a list of all Democrats arrested under the Donald Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: There aren't any. How about we get to the business

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Speaker 4: of punishing criminals. I'm not afraid of calling it revenge,

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Speaker 4: but I understand most people are uncomfortable with that. When

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Speaker 4: when they did all those awful things, they did it

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Speaker 4: if in fact they get away with it, it will

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Speaker 4: get so much worse. This is the moment. Now we

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Speaker 4: former Special Counsel Jack Smith tracked the private communications and

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Speaker 4: of his investigation into January sixth ron Johnson says, this

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Speaker 4: doesn't surprise me. It doesn't, but it should shock every

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Speaker 4: It's like these people think they're actors at the theater. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I don't mind that they've done these horrible things to

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Speaker 4: But our side is scared to do its job. They're

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Speaker 1: Is this revenge?

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Speaker 1: Is this a threat to democracy? Is this horrible?

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Speaker 4: But nobody asked that question when Trump was being arrested,

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Speaker 4: don't period, end of story. Our people are weak, their

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Speaker 4: people are vicious. Here's Ron Johnson saying what I just

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Speaker 4: told you. He said, this is outrageous, what has happened.

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Speaker 4: I just want to give you a timeline this.

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Speaker 9: I think you've already got the the FDA sheet that

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Speaker 9: shows the number of members of Congress that are targeted

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Speaker 9: Representative Kelly Sanader's, Graham Haggerty, Holly Sullivan, Tuberville, myself, Santa.

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Speaker 9: This never was dated September of twenty twenty three. To

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Speaker 9: put it all into context, the mar Lago raid occurred

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Speaker 9: in August of twenty twenty two. Jack Smith announced the

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Speaker 9: indictments against President Trump in August of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 9: so this is almost two months later. They're casting this

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Speaker 9: net fishing accident expedition against members of the Senate in

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Speaker 9: the House. Yeah, I've been investigating this with Sander Grassley.

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Speaker 9: This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American

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Speaker 9: this is the first time I was targeted by the FBI.

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Speaker 9: Under the Obama administration, the same thing happened to Bill,

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Speaker 9: Sander Grassley and I as part of the Foreign Influenced

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Speaker 11: Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon

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Speaker 6: Once again an armed attack in the Middle East, but

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Speaker 6: Who are the Palestinians? And whose land is it?

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Speaker 1: Flaber and based Jonathan Conn's number one international.

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Speaker 11: Bestseller, The Dragon's Prophecy.

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Speaker 1: This film contains graphic finance of October seventh.

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Speaker 11: In theaters only October sixth and October eighth, streaming a

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Speaker 5: Well, we have a different kind of project for Dnsh.

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Speaker 8: My earlier films have all been in one way or another,

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Speaker 5: The title refers to a passage in the book a

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Speaker 1: Why did you do that?

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Speaker 5: I moved into the film somewhat sideways. I became exposed

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Speaker 1: She was twelve, I was thirty, but any of it

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Speaker 1: was wonderful to have you, mister President. The Michael Barry,

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Speaker 4: The book The Dragon's Prophecy by Jonathan Kahn. It is

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Speaker 4: Is that right, Denesh? It's streaming on Salem now on

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's in theaters one more day, four hundred

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Speaker 5: And yet at other times the film seems just pressingly

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Speaker 5: of the film is, all right, we know, we now

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Speaker 5: understand who the forces of the dragon are. Well, why

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Speaker 5: don't the Jews and the Christians, Why don't the Christians

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Speaker 5: and Israel come closer together? Because we are the platoons

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Speaker 5: of the other side.

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Speaker 8: And that's the way that the.

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Speaker 5: Film kind of lays it out to give people a

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Speaker 5: kind of clear sense of what the configuration of forces

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Speaker 5: are on both sides.

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Speaker 4: Did a three thousand year old mystery foretell the invasion

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Speaker 4: of Israel by Hamas? And if so, in your opinion,

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Speaker 4: how close did it did it get to that?

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Speaker 5: Well, I would put it this way. It's not so

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Speaker 5: much that it was foretoll three thousand years ago. It's

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Speaker 5: that when you look at October seventh and the war,

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Speaker 5: you can.

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Speaker 8: See the eerie parallel.

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Speaker 5: Between today's events and what happened between the ancient Israelites

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Speaker 5: and the Philistines a two thousand years ago. Now, first

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Speaker 5: of all, the Philistines the Palestinians.

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Speaker 4: That is the same name.

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Speaker 5: It's the same word transported through history. But the point

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Khan makes, and this is where his argument really

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Speaker 5: takes off, is he says that the tactics are the same.

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Speaker 5: So to give an example, there's the Biblical hero called Samson.

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Speaker 5: He represents the strength of Israel. And Samson is captured

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Speaker 5: by the Philistines. They blind him in much the same

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Speaker 5: way Israel was quote blinded on October seventh. The Bible

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Speaker 5: says they dragged him Samson to Gaza. Gaza's mentioned in

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Speaker 5: the Bible. The Philistines control the area that we now

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Speaker 5: call the Gaza Strip. And the Bible says the people

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Speaker 5: of Gaza came out and said, bring out Samson, take

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Speaker 5: off his clothes and bring him out so that he

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Speaker 5: might quote entertain us. Sure enough, after October seventh, hostages

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Speaker 5: and captives were taken to Gaza, stripped to the waist,

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Speaker 5: paraded out while people danced around them cheered a lahuakbar.

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Speaker 5: And so Jonathan Khn makes this very arresting statement. He goes, hey,

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Speaker 5: Samson three thousand years ago was in some way the

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Speaker 5: first stage of Gaza. So this is not so much

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Speaker 5: a kind of forecasting as it is a.

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Speaker 8: Observing of parallels on the largest canvas of history and theology.

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Speaker 8: And I think it helps give us a much deeper

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Speaker 8: insight that what we're witnessing here is not just historical events,

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Speaker 8: but to some degree biblical events.

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Speaker 4: Reading about this project, it appears that there is a

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Speaker 4: reference to a secret to the Book of Revelation that

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Speaker 4: reveals what is taking place, If not in our immediate time,

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Speaker 4: then certainly in this era.

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of it can be connected to this very interesting

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Speaker 5: structure right in the middle of Jerusalem called the Temple mount.

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Speaker 5: The templeunt is sort of the retaining wall, that's where

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Speaker 5: the Jews pray. But that is the site of the

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Speaker 5: original Temple of Solomon and later, of course reconstructed under Herod.

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Speaker 5: That's the place where when Jesus's parents lost him, they

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Speaker 5: found him in the temple. It's that temple. Now very interestingly,

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Speaker 5: that temple doesn't exist anymore, and sitting right on top

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Speaker 5: of that is a you could call it an Islamic

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Speaker 5: victim dome of the Rock, adjoining the Al Aksa Mosque.

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Speaker 8: And so it's almost as.

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Speaker 5: If the dragon, the devil has decided to occupy himself

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Speaker 5: the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity.

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Speaker 8: Now the Bible seems to.

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Speaker 5: Forecast it's a little marquie, but that we know we

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Speaker 5: are in the last days when essentially the Temple is rebuilt.

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Speaker 5: And there are actually some Jews, serious Jews in Israel,

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Speaker 5: who think that not only we should the temple be rebuilt,

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Speaker 5: but rights and sacrifices, including the sacrifice of so called

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Speaker 5: red heifers, to be resumed in the temple after thousands

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Speaker 5: of years. And I found those red heifers in Shilo

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Speaker 5: in the middle of Israel, and so they're in film.

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Speaker 5: So this is the way in which the film doesn't

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Speaker 5: tay to make definitive pronouncements, but it just teases the

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Speaker 5: issue of biblical prophecy, asking questions, could it be that

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Speaker 5: we're seeing some signposts that we are in last age?

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting consideration, not one that I've given a

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Speaker 4: lot of time to, but I know many many people do.

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Speaker 4: I've got about a minute left. What do you make

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Speaker 4: on purely current events of the split between sort of

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Speaker 4: Tucker and candiceans on one side and a number of

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Speaker 4: folks on the right. With regard to the Jewish question,

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Speaker 4: the Israel question.

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Speaker 5: We should do a show on this, or do it

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Speaker 5: at more length.

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Speaker 8: But I'll just say very briefly that the ultimate issue

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Speaker 8: is can the New Testament be severed from the Old?

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Speaker 8: Has the New Testament replaced the Old?

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Speaker 5: Has the New.

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Speaker 1: Covenant somehow canceled.

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Speaker 8: Out the Old? Does this mean that we don't have

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Speaker 8: to pay any attention to like creation, Genesis One, Abraham,

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Speaker 8: the Exodus, Moses, the Ten Commendments, the Hebrew prophets. To me,

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Speaker 8: this is such an outrageous sort of betrayal of Christianity.

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Speaker 5: This is not something like denominate argument about replacement theology.

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Speaker 5: It's about people who are especially.

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Speaker 8: Saying that when Jesus came, everything that happened before him

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Speaker 8: is obsolete. That was certainly not Jesus.

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Speaker 1: It will be a conversation heave another time. The Dragon's prophecy,

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Speaker 1: denish Jesusa.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, good sir, thank you, thank you, and good night,