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Speaker 1: All Right, it's Thursday. It is Thursday, and we're ready

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: So tonight's Thursday Night football. And I just read a

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Speaker 1: headline today that Keon Coleman second round, top of the

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Speaker 1: second round wide receiver, second round wide receiver they drafted

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. They're gonna bench him again. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to start again, so he could be a bust.

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Speaker 1: And yet it has absolutely no impact on Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: And I want to talk about Josh Allen. He is

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Speaker 1: the best football player to me on the planet. He's

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Speaker 1: one of the five best football players I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor's in that group. Jerry Rice probably in that group.

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Speaker 1: Remember last year everybody was talking about Lamar Jackson Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen MVP controversy. Let me put it in perspective, just

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Speaker 1: this year, in the past five weeks, In fact, in

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Speaker 1: the past two months, the Bills are five to zero

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Speaker 1: when Josh has three or more touchdowns, Yet they're zero

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Speaker 1: to three when he scores three or fewer touchdowns. They

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Speaker 1: literally need him to score three touchdowns minimum in the

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Speaker 1: last two months for Josh Allen to just help Buffalo

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Speaker 1: win a game. No franchise that I ever remember has

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Speaker 1: been this quarterback dependent. Oh Lamar Lamar. This year the

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Speaker 1: race even started. Tyler Huntley in a game, scored thirty

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Speaker 1: points and beat the seven to three Chicago Bears and

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Speaker 1: look good. Looked really good with Tyler Huntley. Just think

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Speaker 1: about how valuable Josh Allen is in the past two months.

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Speaker 1: He's got to score minimum three touchdowns to just win games.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Patrick Mahomes was sixteenth in passer rating, only

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Speaker 1: ninth in touchdown passes, and yet the Chiefs went fifteen

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Speaker 1: to two. Because Kansas City, top to bottom does so

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Speaker 1: many things well. Jalen Hurts had the same number of

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Speaker 1: touchdown passes last year as Kirk Cousins, and they won

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl because Philly does so many things well.

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Speaker 1: Even Joe Burrow. They couldn't make the playoffs with him,

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Speaker 1: But when he gets hurt, Flaco still comes in and

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Speaker 1: tolls for two hundred and fifty yards. The offense still works.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen has to be Superman for Buffalo to just

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Speaker 1: win games. And think about this, and this is one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons I thought Josh was the MVP and

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Speaker 1: I on a Lamar Jackson defender. But from two thousand

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Speaker 1: until Lamar Jackson showed up, the Ravens were not only good,

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Speaker 1: they won two Super Bowls, and not with Joe Montana,

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Speaker 1: with Joe Flacco and Trent Dilferd. The Ravens could win

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Speaker 1: super Bowls pre Lamar Jackson with what you consider to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, middling quarterbacks, although Flacco was pretty good Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game, couldn't win

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Speaker 1: a single playoff game before Josh Allen. That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: They're building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason,

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Speaker 1: not because it just got chilly. The snow flurries didn't

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Speaker 1: just happen in the last two years. They're building it

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Speaker 1: because of Josh Allen. Because the game he played New

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Speaker 1: and only had to throw like three times, and they're like,

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Speaker 1: you know this Northeast weather megan in the way of

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's greatness. He's literally getting a billion dollar plus

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Speaker 1: stadium built. And it's not just this year that he

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Speaker 1: he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you

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Speaker 1: to diversify. You've got too many eggs in one basket.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles, they've won Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: with Nick Foles and Trent Dilfer. They've been winning way

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Speaker 3: When he's on his game, you look out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's the best there is in the business.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we've been on something for a while, and

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Speaker 1: I do think the smarter viewers and listeners in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Steelers have yet to get their money's worth on DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 1: So he's having career lows. And I warned you about this.

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Speaker 1: a greater sickness called an offensive plagued for seven years.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter who the quarterback is in Pittsburgh, the coordinator,

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Speaker 1: the running back, the left tackle, they're bad on offense.

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Speaker 1: It's an underlying issue. I'll give you an example. George

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Speaker 1: now with Aaron Rodgers. I have been saying for years.

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Speaker 1: Are the Steelers just a more stable version of the

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Speaker 1: about this. I'll give you another example. Kevin Dotts, an

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Speaker 1: John hus Smith Pro Bowl Miami. Last year, Steelers bring

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Speaker 1: him in. He has one hundred and sixty five total yards.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing a trend? Trying to get the Steelers

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Speaker 1: and shine. John hus Smith, Kevin Dotson, Dk Metcalf, George Pickens.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter the quarterback is. You can all blame

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It's not an Aaron Rodgers issue. That's why

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Speaker 1: I've been defending Aaron all the time. Aaron just stepped

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Speaker 1: into the Pittsburgh Steelers quickstand right now. This year, the

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Speaker 1: Steelers wide receivers have the fewest targets and receptions in

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Speaker 1: like that's those are the money shots for this offense.

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Speaker 1: They have enormous So it's just very interesting. People looked

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Speaker 1: Not outcomes. DK Metcalf gonna change everything. The Steelers have

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Speaker 1: become a more refined, less chaotic version of the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Offensive players go to Pittsburgh and New York and they shrink,

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Speaker 1: Aaron is gonna do it if he's healthy. But everybody's

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Speaker 1: pointing at Aaron. It's not Aaron. Here's Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 5: He's the type of guy and has the type of profile.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't require a lot of physical work and an

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Speaker 5: and again, as I mentioned, the variables are stabilizing it

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Speaker 5: brace himself as he falls, et cetera. Pain tolerance, But

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Speaker 5: that doesn't seem to be an issue with Aaron. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it did this again. DK Metcalf is just

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Speaker 1: a symptom of it. It is a much bigger underlying

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Speaker 1: you start looking at Kevin Dotson and you'd start looking

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Speaker 1: at Metcalf shrinking and George Pickens exploding and John Huismith's shrinking.

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Speaker 1: of a harsh slide into the toilet? We'll see interesting story.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting by a very reputable journalist from Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: Journalism Award. A journalist has come out J Mack and

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Speaker 6: Right now, honestly, the only way to break through and

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think this writer cares about making the herd.

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Speaker 6: Get when you get Hey, the locker room is a

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll just report on this respected journalist reporting around

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Speaker 1: Well It entering Week twelve gets windy, gets cold. The

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a You know, the NFL has the ability

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna be honest. I got some friends in.

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Speaker 4: In that coaching staff, Phil sims around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Two down, one to go. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years with the Giants, two times Super Bowl champ.

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Speaker 1: Phil Sims does some college stuff with the Believe Network

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Speaker 1: as well. Oh guy, Phil Simms. Okay, I saw this story.

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Speaker 6: Oh this.

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Speaker 1: Derek Gunn is a longtime reporter in Philadelphia, and he

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Speaker 1: was on the Seth Joiner Show. And I was told

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Speaker 1: during the summer by an executive in the NFL who

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Speaker 1: I trust, talked about him. He said, Jalen Hurts is

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Speaker 1: kind of beach to his own drummer. It's not Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson Seahawks, but he's his own guy. He's not raw

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Speaker 1: raw go out beers after the game with the fellas.

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Speaker 1: He's not that guy. And there was a story Derek

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Speaker 1: Gunn reports this week is that he, you know, he

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Speaker 1: kind of runs the offense. He feels like running, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes he frustrates coaches. And so between what I heard

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Speaker 1: in that he was just saying is, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: some discomfort with Hurts. So here's my question to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to be Brady chugging beers with the rookies?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to be mahomes where everybody loves him

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Speaker 1: or Peyton Manning would go out to dinner with teammates

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Speaker 1: to pick up the bill. Do you have to be

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Speaker 1: popular to be a successful long term quarterback.

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Speaker 9: No, of course you don't, but it does help if

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Speaker 9: you are popular and you do certain things and blend

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Speaker 9: in with the football team. You know, and I know

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Speaker 9: Jalen Hurts has taken a lot of heat for being

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Speaker 9: successful right now in the NFL. And you know, two yes,

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Speaker 9: is he a conservative player without question, doesn't like to

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Speaker 9: throw it over the middle, doesn't want to throw into

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Speaker 9: tight coverage and make those type of throws.

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Speaker 3: But also he's very careful.

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Speaker 9: And listen, when you've got a defense like the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 9: it's not the worst thing that your offense is being

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Speaker 9: very careful not to turn the football over. It's a

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Speaker 9: winning formula for many teams. I kind of played that way.

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Speaker 9: I didn't mean to play that way, but it worked

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Speaker 9: out that way. When you got a good defense, why

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Speaker 9: are you out there trying to show everybody you can

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Speaker 9: score thirty and forty points? And you know, I think

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Speaker 9: we saw something from Jalen Hurts last year.

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Speaker 3: This same thing was going on. And then what happens.

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Speaker 9: He goes to the Super Bowl and all of a

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Speaker 9: sudden he becomes man, He becomes Tom Brady, and the

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Speaker 9: Super Bowl wins the MVP.

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Speaker 1: So you had a year back in the eighties, you

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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl through twenty two picks. I have

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Speaker 1: always defended interception quarterbacks. I defend Elway, I defend Andrew Luck,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers was one of the first quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in my life that you got all the upside and

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Speaker 1: no picks. That thing we used to I mean, at

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is throw the ball down the damn field.

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Speaker 1: I don't like dink and dunk guys. So Donald has

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Speaker 1: Donald has nine games three plus picks. Andrew Luck had

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Speaker 1: nine games three or plus picks. It doesn't he may

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Speaker 1: never he's note as good as Luck. He may never

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. But I like the fact that

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Speaker 1: Sam Tow's a horrible pick and it doesn't bother him

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Speaker 1: at all. Where are you on interceptions quarterbacks bouncing off

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Speaker 1: mistakes because Donald had a stinker, but Andrew Luck had

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Speaker 1: ten stinkers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot there. You know, I'll say this

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Speaker 3: right off the stuff.

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Speaker 9: You know, I never had the Giants in those years

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Speaker 9: when we were really win a lot thet games. They

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Speaker 9: never said, you know, Phil, you've got to be a

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Speaker 9: little more careful, you know, Parceales was not that guy.

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Speaker 3: He would not get too angry.

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Speaker 9: I mean, sometimes he get angry because I throw an interception,

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Speaker 9: Go Will, that might be the dumbest Playof've ever made

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Speaker 9: in my career. But otherwise what you said is true, Man,

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Speaker 9: throw it down the field. We want big plays. Big

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Speaker 9: plays win games. And then if I started checking it

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Speaker 9: down too much, he goes. He would yell at me

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Speaker 9: and go, oh, what do you worry Sims about your

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Speaker 9: completion percentage?

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Speaker 3: And you know, just go hey, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 3: move us down the field and score right right.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, and Sam Arnold, I would just say this,

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Speaker 9: we know what happened the last two games last year

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Speaker 9: with him, and then they's playing the game he's playing

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Speaker 9: against the Rams and all that. Sometimes as a quarterback,

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Speaker 9: you're only your first and you try to.

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Speaker 3: Do this is I'm not gonna make that mistake today.

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Speaker 3: Play it careful.

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Speaker 9: If the game is close, you're playing a really good team,

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Speaker 9: that's all right. When the time comes, there's going to

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Speaker 9: be a big play in the game where it's going

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Speaker 9: to be easy for you to make. And when you

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Speaker 9: do that, it changes the narrative everywhere. Was I going

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Speaker 9: to tell you some of those interceptions at Sam Darnold

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Speaker 9: through last week. Wow, that's all I can say. Wow,

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Speaker 9: you know you've got to pull it back. Sometimes you

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Speaker 9: just can't. You can't swing for the damn fences every

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Speaker 9: time the balls pitched to you.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what Sam Darnald. He did it.

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Speaker 3: I was really surprised, but I was also really surprised

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Speaker 3: about the type of interceptions they were.

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Speaker 1: So I used to believe that you got to give

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Speaker 1: a quarterback three years, but now they have private coaching,

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Speaker 1: seven on seven summer drills. Kids throw ten thousand passes

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Speaker 1: by the time they're fourteen. So my take is not

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Speaker 1: three years, It is Thanksgiving of year two. GM coach

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Speaker 1: coordinator go upstairs, raise their hands. Do we draft again

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Speaker 1: or not? Do we extend eventually? So I have shortened

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Speaker 1: the timeline up. So I mean Josh Rosen got thirteen starts,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel got seven or eight? What do you do

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Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy. This is a good tool belt, Phil Justin, Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, Kevin o'can great left tackle Like this is

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Speaker 1: not you know, this is not a bad franchise. This

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Speaker 1: is not what Caleb got last year in Chicago. How

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Speaker 1: long do you give JJ McCarthy before you go upstairs?

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Speaker 1: Just sit in a room and raise your hand and say, guys,

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Speaker 1: we got to go in another direction.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know he's going to get the rest of

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Speaker 9: the year. I watched that game this past weekend. I thought, Man,

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Speaker 9: if they had like a quality veteran backup, I think

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Speaker 9: they would have brought him in there. You know, JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 9: You know, look, there are some things he does well.

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Speaker 9: He moves around well, he's got a strong arm. But

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Speaker 9: he's got one pitch and that one pitch is I'm

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Speaker 9: going to throw the damn thing as hard as I can,

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Speaker 9: and it doesn't matter if you're ten yards of twenty

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Speaker 9: or forty yards. I mean, he's a I think deep

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Speaker 9: down the field, you see it. He's a pretty good thrower.

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Speaker 9: But in the NFL, the game has really played from

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Speaker 9: lists to say the line of scrimmage to fifteen yards

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Speaker 9: down the field, and you got to be a machine

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Speaker 9: hitting those plays, and I haven't seen that from JJ McCarty.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of it. There's many things. I think

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Speaker 3: there are technique problems.

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Speaker 9: I say, people talking about it all the time will

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Speaker 9: tell me what it really is, and they can't do that.

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Speaker 1: But it's.

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Speaker 9: The You've got to hit all those routine throws and

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Speaker 9: that's one of the biggest thing I think hurts him

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Speaker 9: and hurts the football team right now.

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Speaker 3: And I'll give credit to the receivers.

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Speaker 9: They're very good, they're successful, and they're kind of biting

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Speaker 9: their tongue and they're not getting on the quarterback yet.

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Speaker 9: But man, he's got to pick up the way he plays.

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Speaker 9: He's got to become more accurate throwing the football.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask you two questions because you

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Speaker 1: do college football stuff, and I'll get to Mendoz in

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Speaker 1: a second. I want to start with Shador Sanders. I

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Speaker 1: thought he was a at worst mid to late second

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Speaker 1: round guy. The people I trusted in the NFL said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's mid second. They liked him as much

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Speaker 1: as Jackson Dart some more, and he drops the fifth.

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Speaker 1: I then heard about him basically blowing the giant interview bad,

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Speaker 1: the legendary stuff all over his draft room, the speeding tickets.

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Speaker 1: Obviously some maturity issues there that I didn't know about.

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Speaker 1: He starts this weekend. Were you when you were doing

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Speaker 1: your college stuff? The last few years. Were you a

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Speaker 1: shed or fan or did he run backwards too much?

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Speaker 1: You know, there were signs he could be impatient. Where

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Speaker 1: were you on him coming out of college.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, listen the fact that I don't look

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Speaker 9: at their stats and say, oh he ran around too much.

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Speaker 9: Those are things you can really correct and very short time.

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Speaker 9: I did like him in college. Look, he looks to

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Speaker 9: me he plays really big on the field as he

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Speaker 9: take too many sacks and try to extend plays. Absolutely,

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Speaker 9: he did it last week when he came in the game.

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Speaker 3: He did it.

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Speaker 9: He did it in college. But what, there's many things here.

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Speaker 9: I think he'll play. Of course, I think everybody thinks

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Speaker 9: he'll play really well against the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: The Raiders the defense not that good.

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Speaker 9: Kevin Stefanski when I watched him over the years, go

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Speaker 9: back to when Joe Flackel took the team to the

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Speaker 9: playoff and all that they had one of the best,

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Speaker 9: if not the best, deep throwing offense in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: So many good designs as Stefanski's really good at. And

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Speaker 9: you know what that fits should he's another guy he

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Speaker 9: would rather he's good throwing the ball deep down the field.

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Speaker 9: He's a good short thrower, but it's the in betweens

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Speaker 9: that you worry about. And I would be shocked. And

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Speaker 9: I said this to somebody working with you. I just said,

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Speaker 9: if he's I believe when they start the game this weekend,

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Speaker 9: he'll be about eight for ten out of the first

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Speaker 9: ten throws because they're going to give him screens, make

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Speaker 9: sure it's easy, get him involved in the game, and

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Speaker 9: then as time goes on, they'll open it up and

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Speaker 9: give him and do what he's probably best at, and

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Speaker 9: that's getting a little more protection and throwing the football

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Speaker 9: deep down the field.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I answered you question, that's what

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Fernanda Mendoza played at Cal. The kid is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be an unbelievable student. Yes, and at Indiana

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Speaker 1: and Cal. He's not playing with five star are bam

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Speaker 1: Ohio State guys. That's not what he's playing with. I

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Speaker 1: like that, by the way. I like college guys who

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Speaker 1: come out of cow NC State, yourself, smaller schools. It's

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Speaker 1: not Georgia talent. It's like middling talents that you got

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Speaker 1: to throw open. I think he separated himself in that

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Speaker 1: Penn State drives. I watched that drive, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: on the road, big pass rush, Penn State's got elite

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Speaker 1: defensive players, and right in the teeth of it, he

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Speaker 1: just threw Sunday throw, Sunday throw, Sunday throw. I see

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Speaker 1: potentially a really high end college kid. What do you see.

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Speaker 3: I see a.

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Speaker 9: Really high end college kid big time, And I mean,

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Speaker 9: if you're phrasing about the pros, I think he'll be

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Speaker 9: a very successful quarterback in the pros.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's tall.

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Speaker 9: I did their game against Iowa, probably the worst game

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Speaker 9: of the year for him, but I didn't come away

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Speaker 9: with it going, oh my gosh, he played man. In fact,

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Speaker 9: I came away and I said, all the talents did

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Speaker 9: you want to see in the NFL?

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Speaker 3: He showed you on that field. He just makes great throws.

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Speaker 9: He's got a very compact motion, spins the ball, can

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Speaker 9: really drive it, and he's tough as hell.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing that really I like.

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Speaker 9: I like these college quarterbacks that are playing somewhat of

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Speaker 9: a pro offense. Yeah, I look at you, I look

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Speaker 9: at Indiana and Man, they do the same damn thing

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Speaker 9: every week, and they might put a little dressing to

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Speaker 9: it sometimes, but I like everything about him. I think

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Speaker 9: some people worry, Oh, is it going to work? Is

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Speaker 9: he mobile enough?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 9: Man, when you're a quarterback like him who's been taught

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Speaker 9: so well and has the talent, that he's going to

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Speaker 9: learn very quickly. Hey, the NFL is different, and I

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Speaker 9: think he'll be somewhat of an instant success, kind of

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Speaker 9: like Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, I mean, he played Lane

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Speaker 9: Kiff and it's got so many pro looks to it,

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Speaker 9: and all the experience, all those years and all those throws.

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Speaker 3: It translates to the NFL very quickly.

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Speaker 9: It's not like Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams was always in

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Speaker 9: charge and now he's playing better. Why because Ben Johnson

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Speaker 9: is stepping on him and the offense FITCI and of

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Speaker 9: course he's learning and everything.

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Speaker 3: So I do like Mendoza a lot, Colin.

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Speaker 1: To answer my question, what you just said is exactly

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Speaker 1: what a top offensive coach told me this week off air.

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Speaker 1: He told me he said, Indiana runs so many he'll

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Speaker 1: be an easy quarterback to evaluate. They run so much

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Speaker 1: pro stuff that it's very obvious you'll know very he goes.

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Speaker 1: This coach said. I watched him a couple of times

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Speaker 1: on TV. You can see they're running pro stuff. He'll

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Speaker 1: be an easy evaluation. Even Mahomes out of the Big twelve,

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Speaker 1: nobody knew if some of that stuff was gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Or like Josh Allen at Wyoming, you're like, that's bad competition.

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Speaker 1: I've been told now that he'll be an easy comp

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of Sunday stuff and you just echoed it.

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Speaker 1: So you're seeing the same thing my guy was.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I you know these college quarterbacks. When I'm bored,

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Speaker 9: I try to go through all these guys and just

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Speaker 9: watch them real.

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Speaker 3: Quick and just seeing him in person and talking to him.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's everything you want at the professional level

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Speaker 9: and being your quarterback, the.

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Speaker 3: Guy you know. So you know, it's hard.

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Speaker 9: On these young quarterbacks, like I've said before and probably

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Speaker 9: said to you already, and they we judge him too hard,

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Speaker 9: too fast, and you know, so we're seeing some of

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Speaker 9: these guys in the second year.

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Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams, he's the greatest example of all.

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Speaker 9: You know, he's coached differently, different offense and fitsing, and

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Speaker 9: you know, he's got pride and he's so he shows

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Speaker 9: that in the way he's playing, and it's I'm excited

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Speaker 9: just watching seeing Ben Johnson with him and how they're

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Speaker 9: doing it.

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Speaker 3: And I know they're being tough on him and he's

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Speaker 3: he's taking it the right way and it shows on

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Speaker 3: the field as always.

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Speaker 1: Philip's great seeing you.

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Speaker 3: Is that it?

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Speaker 1: Well it was twelve minutes. That's all. That's my show.

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Speaker 1: That's a big hit it is.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Hey, you know there's a couple of guys on

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Speaker 9: one one earlier.

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Speaker 3: Bow Knicks.

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Speaker 9: He's a man, Okay, I mean a man, and he

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Speaker 9: does not even flinch when he's playing the game there he.

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Speaker 3: Is against Kansas City, he's looking for the kill shot.

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Speaker 9: And of course he's coached by the guy that's right

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Speaker 9: with him, and Davis Webb's there helping the quarterbacks. I mean,

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Speaker 9: that's just one of these these young quarterback here are

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Speaker 9: a lot of talk at all bone.

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Speaker 3: Nicks, this and that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he might not be at the top of his

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Speaker 9: game yet, but he's he's finding a way to get there,

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Speaker 9: and I really I love watching him play too.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he is also aggressive. He's an aggressive

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Speaker 1: thrower of the football.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, he's not checked down, Charlie, Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 3: And he did it against Kansas City.

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Speaker 9: So you saw that he's willing to do the right

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Speaker 9: thing and take a chance and not worried about it if

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Speaker 9: he's going to be the goa to the hero, which

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Speaker 9: is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Good scene, all right, Thank you Phil.

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Speaker 3: Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Jay MC.

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Speaker 3: Keep working on those arms man, they're looking good.

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