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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. I'm still feeling awkward.

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Speaker 1: I feel really weird um about this week, not only

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Speaker 1: want to explain the most awkward Bachelor's show I've ever seen. Okay, Ben,

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Speaker 1: you're there, So you just arrived the I Heart studio

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Speaker 1: it felt like this really just gasp gasping, No gasping, Um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm can I say I'm excited for it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's odd. I was just with Caitlin Bristow

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Speaker 1: and lacking an empathy. Um. She even when he proposed Rebecca.

429
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Speaker 1: That was the least sensation I've ever had while watching

430
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Speaker 1: a finale. Have you ever watched a finale and felt

431
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Speaker 1: so little? You've said this? I think it was when

432
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Speaker 1: we first started. Actually I found this. I'll never forget this, Um,

433
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: because I've watched The Bachelor's Show for a while since,

434
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Speaker 1: especially since my season, and I've watched it for entertainment.

435
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: I've watched it for love because I think some of

436
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: the coolest stories come out of it. And then my

437
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: friends I get to see really happy. But you said

438
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Speaker 1: something in one of our first episodes. You said, when

439
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Speaker 1: it comes to a proposal, you've never not cried. Correct,

440
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: I have to didn't cry during Rachel's either, but I

441
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: still felt more than I felt today. You know what

442
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: I did today? I was like scrolling on Twitter and

443
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 1: texting while the proposal is happening. And normally, if anything

444
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: is going to glue my eyes to that TV, it's

445
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: a Bachelor proposal. So there's two things that could happen there.

446
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: Either Ashley is getting insensitive and hates love, or this

447
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: proposal just didn't pull on the heart strings. UM, moving on,

448
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: I think for me, UM, the next topic I want

449
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Speaker 1: to bring up and invite our listeners in UM to

450
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: respond to, is when you watch The Bachelor, or in

451
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: any relationship in life, how do you know when it's

452
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: the right person? How do you know when it's actually

453
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: I want to ask you what would be your advice

454
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: to any listener out there? And I think we're going

455
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: to speak. Let's speak just because we'll keep the theme.

456
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Speaker 1: We'll speak directly to Ari right now, Ari, if you're

457
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Speaker 1: gonna give our advice? And this was four weeks ago

458
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: when he's trying to make this decision. How do you

459
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: know when you found the right person? Which person do

460
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Speaker 1: you like more than food? I know that sounds stupid,

461
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Speaker 1: but I've recently you have you're not laughing, No, I've

462
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Speaker 1: recently scored. This is a great test. Actually, please please, No,

463
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: she's not she's not laughing. She's very I'm sorry, actually

464
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Speaker 1: i'm laughing. But okay, now you're laughing because you're awkward. Wait,

465
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Speaker 1: please explain. Um, I guess, like I think ask, food

466
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Speaker 1: might be like my other love of my life, like

467
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Speaker 1: the other thing I get riled up with and and

468
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Speaker 1: I look forward to all day long to see. You know,

469
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Speaker 1: I really look forward to having my dinner. And I

470
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Speaker 1: need to be able to look forward to seeing this

471
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Speaker 1: person more than I look forward to you in my dinner.

472
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Speaker 1: I've never I don't even I can't even know what.

473
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Speaker 1: This reminds me of a cat lady like I gotta

474
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Speaker 1: I gotta find some of that I love more than

475
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Speaker 1: my cats. Then why don't you tell us how you

476
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Speaker 1: know when it's love? Yeah, I mean I just think

477
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Speaker 1: it's better than pizza. Yeah, well, I mean I give

478
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Speaker 1: what I'm actually saying. Okay, so let's let's let's say

479
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Speaker 1: that I need you to live basically, yeah, I need

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Speaker 1: you to be there so when you know it's the

481
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Speaker 1: right person. I've I've talked about this a couple of times. Uh.

482
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Speaker 1: You know, I have an amazing family, one that I'll

483
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: always look back and and love and cherish, and they've

484
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: give me great advice throughout the years. But I remember

485
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: one of the one times I really needed my dad.

486
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: I looked at him and said, Dad, how do you

487
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Speaker 1: know mom was the one? And I meant this. It

488
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: was coming off of a breakup. I was pretty young

489
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: at the time, and I remember just going, Dad, you

490
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: would have the answer is this, how do you know

491
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: when they're the one that's so cute? And it's been like, uh,

492
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Speaker 1: like the story you told me about you putting flowers

493
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Speaker 1: by your thirteen year old crushes lockers. Yeah see, I'm

494
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hopeless romantic. And my dad looks at

495
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: me and I'm like, this is gonna be great and

496
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna appreciate It's just it's gonna be just like

497
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: the food thing, and he goes, Ben, you just know.

498
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Speaker 1: So I've taken that throughout the years and I'll never

499
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Speaker 1: forget it because he meant it. And if my dad

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Speaker 1: says something to me, especially when it's something that he

501
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: knows is important to me, I would like to believe

502
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Speaker 1: that there's a bigger reason and a bigger meaning behind it.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to break this down a little. It well,

504
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: he I think means is when you see somebody, when

505
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: you're around somebody, when you feel that love for the

506
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: first time, it's completely different than anything you felt before.

507
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: I felt that love. My world has stopped around somebody

508
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: else before my my my life has completely changed in

509
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: an instant because of my interaction with another human. And

510
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: that's not happening very often, but it happened a few

511
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: times in my life, and at that moment, I just

512
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: knew that something was different, that something more existed in

513
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: this relations said that you felt it multiple times in

514
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Speaker 1: your life, but then how did you know that it

515
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: was the one? The one? The one? Actually? Do you

516
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: forget that? I'm also the person that told two people

517
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Speaker 1: they love I love them love, And I mean that

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Speaker 1: gets into a topic that we could discuss here. You know,

519
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: do you believe that there's one single person made for you?

520
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: I personally do not do not. I personally believe UM

521
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: that you can have a healthy, loving, thriving relationship with

522
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Speaker 1: multiple people. UM, not at once, but there there's multiple

523
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: people out there. Uh yeah, I mean this is a

524
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: non judgment podcast. But I would say that my world

525
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: has stopped for two people, and at that moment, I

526
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: couldn't help but ask the question what does this mean

527
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: and what does this look like for the future. And

528
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: so my my insight into this when we talk bachelor

529
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: and bachelor is I don't think you can be so

530
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: conflicted and feel those feelings that I felt. Okay, so

531
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: that's what I just wrote down. I said. The bottom

532
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: line is already hasn't found the one. Neither of these

533
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: girls are his wife. But but actually I want to

534
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: I want to tell this, and this isn't a judgment

535
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: towards Ari at all, because what I'm saying is I

536
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: didn't know those feelings existed until I felt interesting. And

537
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: so if Ari had never has never felt his world

538
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: stopped for another person, if he's never felt that I

539
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: would give up my life for this moment for this person,

540
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I would give up everything because they are that special

541
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: to me. If he's never felt that we can't expect

542
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: him to make a decision based on that. Okay, that's

543
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: very profound. I think love is making sacrifices for someone

544
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: else and they aren't sacrifices. Does that make sense. You're

545
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: so willing to do it that it's not a sacrifice,

546
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: you know you're And so that's where he didn't do

547
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: that in this case. Yeah, And so we'll go back

548
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: to the beginning, like is when my dad told me, Ben,

549
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: you just know there's more to that than just then.

550
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: You just know you there is something there that tells you,

551
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: I think, and it tell could tell all of us,

552
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: and I would. I would ask all of our listeners

553
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: out there, if you've felt this feeling before, if your

554
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: world has stopped for another person, please write us in

555
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: with that story at Ben and Ashley, I heeart Meadia

556
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Speaker 1: dot com. I will tell you that for everybody out there,

557
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: for everybody listening, I hope your world stops for somebody

558
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: else at some point in your life. You talk about

559
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: that bit fun, But we're getting flooded with emails. So

560
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: can I read this to you guys really quick? Because

561
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to sort of to share your thoughts.

562
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: So this particular listener is upset because if you look

563
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: on Ari's Instagram, it is ugliness right now. So you know,

564
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: So this person says the world we live is such

565
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: a sad place. I can't believe that it's okay to

566
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: write such horrible things. Um, And she goes on to say,

567
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I called off my engagement nine days before my wedding

568
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: because I was still in love with my ex. I

569
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: assure you, I was hard enough on myself as it was.

570
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine getting the hate that ours receiving on

571
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Speaker 1: top of this. I'm really counting on you guys to

572
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: be the ray of hope during this difficult season finale.

573
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting that she can relate because

574
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: she was in a situation like that, and people are, Oh,

575
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't an uncommon scenario. I mean, there's

576
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: people sitting in this room that's that's been in a

577
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: very similar situation. And I don't blame anybody that feels

578
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: like they have to get out of a relationship when

579
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: it is in the engagement stage. I don't. I don't.

580
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm not upset about Ari breaking up with Becca. And

581
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Becca's friends here in a second

582
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: and feel see if they disagree. I think the only

583
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: thing is that Ari did it on TV. That is questionable.

584
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Speaker 1: And then the other questionable part is should he even

585
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: propose to Becca in the first place? Probably not. Those

586
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: are the two big questions is why did he do

587
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: on TV? And why did he propose? Again? Please write

588
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Speaker 1: us in at Ben and Ashley iHeart Meta dot com

589
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Speaker 1: with your thoughts on why in the heck did Ari propose?

590
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Speaker 1: And why in the world old did we do this

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640
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Speaker 1: it was distasteful to blindside her like that. I'm irked

641
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: at the franchise for putting her through it for the

642
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: sake of TV. So my question is Ben's gonna introduce

643
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: everybody and we've got ladies from ari season. Why don't

644
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: you all talk about that right or wrong that we're

645
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: watching this. I mean, I like watching it. I'm not

646
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna lie. So I'd love for you guys to discuss

647
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: that the franchise had to know that they were going

648
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: to get flak for this, but it's the only way

649
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: that they could have made backup the Bachelorette. Sometimes flack

650
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: isn't bad. So you get people talking, um, my argument

651
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: in support of showing the breakup, and then last the

652
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: beautiful women that just walked into the studio here. My

653
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: my support of this is I would have been confused

654
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: at Becca becoming potentially the Bachelorette. I saw this breakup.

655
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: So by seeing the breakup, I am in support behind

656
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Becca becoming the bachelor. I'm rooting for it. I hope

657
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: it happens. Um, if I didn't see the breakup, I

658
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't have followed this story more closely. Now again, I'm

659
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: on the side of they just shouldn't show it at all, um,

660
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: But I would say that's the one reason why maybe

661
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: the show, or shoot, maybe even are thought, let's give

662
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt, we'll stop. Maybe we

663
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: need to close this up with that. So we're gonna start,

664
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: as we said, we have four of Ari's top women

665
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: in studio right now. We're gonna start with Tea and Caroline.

666
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: You're prominent, prominent character. Thanks guys. Caroline, you said I

667
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: know what you did during Women Till All weeks ago. Um,

668
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: that that means to me that you're pretty close to

669
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: Becca and you may have known exactly what she was

670
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: going through. And at my house. Would this whoa tell

671
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: us everything? Um? Yes, this is a safe zone. Nobody's listening.

672
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: No one's listening. This is okay. Galopels behind those doors,

673
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: right Ben, I am the guy in the room, my

674
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Galapelo here. Um. But yeah, so it was It was

675
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: hard because obviously I fell in love with all these women. Um,

676
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: you spend so much time with them, Um, when you're

677
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: in the house and through this whole experience, and then

678
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it became very close with Becca. Um,

679
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: and she her and Tia had come to my house

680
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: and Fort Lauderdale kind of like the girl pow wow,

681
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: that's where this took place, this breakup. No no, but

682
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, prior to the Women tell All, I

683
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: had seen the raw like emotion on her face. And

684
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, for anyone who's ever had a girlfriend crying

685
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know, upset and just kind of humiliated

686
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: and hurt, I think anyone can relate to that. And

687
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: I think we've all had that like you know why

688
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: moment and you know you kind of want to junk

689
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: punch them a little bit. It was like I tried.

690
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to junk punch him, so I tried

691
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: to do it with my words. It was so Charlotte

692
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: and the Sex in the City movie. That's how I was. Like,

693
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I felt so Charlotte and Sex in the City, and

694
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: there were so many good gifts that everyone was studying.

695
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: To me, I was like, this is my spirit and

696
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: what this is. So I just could relate to that

697
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: a lot. And it's actually funny because when I was

698
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: looking at tweet one out, it was like Charlotte was

699
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: like I was rooting for you the whole time. And

700
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: and the thing is everyone kept telling me how bitter

701
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: I was that I didn't pick me, and like, no, bit,

702
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: you missed exactly what I was talking about. It was

703
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: like that what happened here? It was, Um, it was

704
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: easy for me to leave when I left, because I

705
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be back at the whole time.

706
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: We were in the mansion still and I was like,

707
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're going to be the last one standing.

708
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: And I said that to her. She was, no, you are.

709
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: You're really sweet but like things. But I was like,

710
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: I'll put up a good fight. I was like, I

711
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: want to get to know him, but I was like,

712
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if you're not his wife at the

713
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: end of all of this. And do you feel the

714
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: same way? Was it very obvious? Um? Yeah, honestly. And

715
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: we talked about it while we were in the mansion

716
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: and then after two like I don't know if we

717
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: got vibes from Becca, but there was just something there

718
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: and we kind of knew that they had that undeniable connection. Yeah,

719
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: I didn't stop me from falling for him too, But

720
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, did you see the same thing with Lauren? No,

721
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: not at all. But the thing is is like, we

722
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: weren't as close with Laurence, so I'm sure you know, Kendall,

723
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: you were closer with her, so I'm sure that you

724
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: saw that connection developing. You know, we were. I got

725
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: close with Lauren at the end, and she was still

726
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: like a still trapped about everything. Yeah, she had her walls,

727
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: seen has something to say, She's reaching for a Mike

728
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: does my mom just went off for a ramp about.

729
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: So I actually noticed their connection like in Fort Lauderdale,

730
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: and I could see that he Lauren. I told Lauren

731
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: in Paris that she was going to be in the

732
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: top two. And I think you guys can all see

733
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: the way that he looks at Lauren. So I mean,

734
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: I think there was a period of time where his

735
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: connection with that kind of it wasn't really there. After

736
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: you left, it wasn't really there. They go and her

737
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: confidence completely dropped. It's funny because you know, you watch

738
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: it back, and you know I love Becca and you

739
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: know I was able to see that in the firsthand,

740
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: but then you go back and you watch it and

741
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: he was very much in love with Lauren the whole time.

742
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: And I I'm not mad that he, you know, had

743
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: to make decisions like hey, do you follow your heart?

744
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm not here to tell you how to love

745
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes loves messy like that is what it is.

746
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: I just think like you've handled it like such a

747
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: douche bag, Like is that what you mean? Towards the end,

748
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: Like I mean, the thing is is he was conflicted,

749
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: very much so as we all saw, and like that's fine,

750
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: you have two amazing women in front of you, Like

751
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: that's hard, but don't propose to somebody and take something

752
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: that to me is so special and kind of just

753
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: make a mockery of it. And he only showed compassion

754
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: for Lauren. Yeah, it was He wasn't there ever anything,

755
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: no emotion. It was all about Lauren. I want to ask,

756
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: and we have kindle Cien u T and Caroline and

757
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: studio whoever feels most comfortable or confident answering this question.

758
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: We we've spoke many times in the podcast. We didn't

759
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: get to see a lot of Lauren. Um, we understand

760
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: he liked her until the very we understand there's a

761
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: connection there. But if one of you could explain exactly

762
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: where that can where that connection was coming from. What

763
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: about Lauren really inspired or created that chemistry between r

764
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: if you can explain it in words smiling like she's

765
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: like still kind of unsure. I feel like it's a

766
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: This may be an assumption for me to say, but

767
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: I feel like he had to work harder for her

768
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: and it's like a thrill of the chase. Yeah, is

769
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: that a thing? I don't know. I don't know what

770
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: you think. Um, I don't think it's a chase. I mean,

771
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: I think Lauren is an amazing person. She's someone that

772
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: reserves herself for people that she really cares about, I

773
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: mean a lot to her. I don't think she was

774
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: trying to play hard to get at all. I think

775
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: she was just afraid to open up, and what she

776
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: did it was that much more special. She wasn't playing

777
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: hard to get, but he had he had to try. Yeah,

778
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's kind of what makes

779
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: him more invested. I think I think he appreciated that

780
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: she wasn't just throwing herself at it. I think that

781
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: he liked that she wanted to make sure before. I

782
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't really see us a chase. I'd more

783
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: so see it not on purpose. It's not like it's

784
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: a game to her. But challenge. Yeah, I well, yes,

785
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean love is always somewhat of a challenge, right

786
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: for challenging ourselves in so many different ways. But um,

787
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the reason why he likes her more

788
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: chose her at the end because it was a no,

789
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: not that. But that's like I feel like, to be honest,

790
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: who knows what that guy is thinking? So kindall we

791
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: we one person that we have not heard from during

792
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: this whole kind of fiasco. At the end, as you

793
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: and you you know you were You've only been let

794
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: go for a week now, you had true feelings for Ari.

795
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: Um how are you dealing with everything after watching this

796
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: back and also knowing that you did have feelings for

797
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: this man and that you are friends with them that

798
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: he ultimately you know, chooses, Um, how are you doing? Um?

799
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: I feel I don't know. I think watching it gave

800
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: me a lot of closure. In the beginning, is really

801
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: difficult to watch episodes and to see him have strong

802
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: relationships with other people, because when you're in it, you

803
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: feel like you're the most special person to him. I mean,

804
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: how can you not because there's so many other there's

805
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: you just don't see his connection with everyone else. Um.

806
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: But after watching it, I especially felt a lot of closure.

807
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Closure When I saw his date with Lauren in Paris,

808
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: it just made so much sense to me, and I

809
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: think after that moment I kind of stuffed back and

810
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this makes sense. This makes sense

811
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: to me, And um, I feel like I just kind

812
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: of I don't know, I just feel like I healed

813
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: so much watching him fall in a weird way. That's

814
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: that's deep. Um, So you're such a good person, guys.

815
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Becca m said this week she's pretty outspoken, and she

816
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he's not that she's on fire. Um. Yeah,

817
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: So she said that she doesn't expect him to stay

818
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: with Lauren either. What do you guys think about that?

819
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: What is the charity that we are home has running here?

820
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: Who are we donating money to? Choice? So I don't

821
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: think we know yet but Chris Harrison's choice. But earlier

822
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, Jeff made a joke

823
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter that if about donating to charity, buddy, put

824
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: your money where your mouth is. Yeah, it was a

825
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. I think it's about five five too.

826
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: If Ari spent over a year with his winner, he

827
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: will donate five thousand dollars to Chris Harrison's charity of choice.

828
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: I think should have to donate now, Like, well, anyway,

829
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: you guys don't want to know what you have to think?

830
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Like if if you chose another girl before you ended

831
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: up choosing the girl you apparently now want to spend

832
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: the rest of your life with. Do you think that

833
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: there's any chance for them? Um? Yeah, I mean, look

834
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: at that other guy, Jason Mesnick. I mean, what a

835
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: success story. They've got a kid, like that's not a

836
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: fake kid, that's a real kid. Two kids, eight years

837
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: of marriage. The thing is is, Um, honestly, I I

838
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: want them both to be happy, like at the end

839
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: of the day, like I don't want to Yeah, like

840
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: I hope your marriage burns like I don't. I don't

841
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: want that friend buddy, like, I want them to be

842
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: happy like well, honestly too after seeing that that's the

843
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: most like thoughts and emotions and feelings that he had

844
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: about anyone this whole time, was I mean about Lauren?

845
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: So I think she really does mean something to him.

846
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm kind of just mad that he put

847
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Lauren through that as well. Um, and he like let

848
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: her walk through. Okay, that is a long walk down

849
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: to that little proposal site, not easy in heels on

850
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: the grass. Rude. He would never do that if you

851
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: really love somebody, Okay, I personally think that Ari would

852
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: have changed his mind if he chose Lauren first he

853
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: would have gone to Becca. I don't think he would.

854
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: Let's let's sit on this. Anybody listening, if you agree

855
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Speaker 1: with seeing right now, please right into Ben and Ashley

856
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857
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: choose Lauren initially, would he have switched to Becca? Do

858
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: you agree or just agree? And why don't be ashamed

859
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: to write a either? Well, so throughout the season we

860
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: were talking earlier in the podcast, he did seem to

861
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: like foreshadow all of this. He was like, I'm just

862
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: so afraid of making the wrong decision. But I've never

863
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: heard a bachelor say stuff like that like that before.

864
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: I think he just says what he thinks he's supposed to. Well,

865
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: after the way that he handled it with Becca, he

866
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: wanted to get tears from her, and that shows that

867
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: he would have done the same thing. Well, I mean,

868
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: you saw how his dad was and he was like,

869
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: Oh this maybe that I don't know, this maybe that

870
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you want to do today?

871
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't go in on Ari's dad. I'm

872
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: not going in at him. I'm just saying the apple

873
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: doesn't fall far. It's hard to make decisions in that family.

874
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Clearly he couldn't. Ultimately, I don't think we're upset at

875
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: the fact that he's with Lauren. Yeah, I think we're

876
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: mad at how he handled Becca, and I don't really

877
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,879
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878
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,080
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879
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,200
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926
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: women on the hot seat. I know you have some

927
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: good questions for him. Okay, so enough analysis of the

928
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: actual show. I need to know what you guys know

929
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: that everybody doesn't know, like the timeline. I need to

930
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: know why. Yeah, so when was that break obscene taped

931
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: early January. January January. That's so recently it's mind boggling.

932
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: And confirm or deny this had Ari slid into Lauren's

933
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: d M s before that breakup occurred. He slid into

934
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: her m that's a yeah, he slid into verse and

935
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: he liked a photo which we were like, he liked

936
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: right after the proposal, like within November December, when Becca

937
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: and him were still good, he had liked a photo

938
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: and she was like, Oh, that just feels kind of

939
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: weird that he was very weird in he was was

940
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: he following her? No, which is the weird parts of

941
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: he was searching for her and like speaking it out. Oh,

942
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: Kendall totally has dirt. But she's going to be a

943
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: good friend right now. She's such Candles. I'm a better

944
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: person when Candles around because she is such a good person.

945
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: She's like the female Uncle Gary for me. Uncle Gary,

946
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: So I also so bad. It's like, oh, you want

947
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: to talk about secrets, Okay, I'll tell you guys. Okay, yeah,

948
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: so tell me more about the timeline. So then, like

949
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: when did Becca revealed to you guys that he had

950
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: broken up with her? Well, I had revealed to Becca

951
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: before Becca we were we were asking Becca how she

952
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: was doing. What was you were with Lauren when A

953
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: called her on New Year's That's right, I heard about

954
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: a New Year's phone call. So he couldn't stop thinking

955
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: about Lauren and got to call her on New Year's

956
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: to see how she was. Apparently, yeah, like not at

957
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: the premiere New Year's Eve, night of the print, like

958
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, not at the premiere. We were in Dallas,

959
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: Lauren and I were together, Like, she was the first

960
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: person I saw after filming. Um, so we knew we

961
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: were going to get to hang out and then watch

962
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: the premiere together at Adams in Dallas with Raven and

963
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: apt And he reached out and on social media and

964
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: he just kind of said, hey, like I still got

965
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: some stuff going on, like I can't shake this. I

966
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: can't shake you, like I want us to talk. And

967
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: he he told Lauren that Becca knew about this. Oh

968
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: but did she? Caroline? She so, um my, I'm one

969
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: of my great girlfriend's. Audre is dating Brad Smith, who

970
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: was the original Bachelor in Canada, and so it's weird

971
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: like little Bachelor world connection. And so I was staying

972
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: at her house and she was like, oh my gosh,

973
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: how is back to doing. I was like she's great,

974
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: Like life's good whatever, you know, thinking like all is

975
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: well in their little world. And she was like, oh,

976
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: Brad said that they broke up. And I was like, no,

977
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: like she would have told me that, like she we're close,

978
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: she would have told so I like FaceTime her. She

979
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: has an answer, and so I'm like, hey, like, um,

980
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: are you okay? Just like just want to check and see, like, um,

981
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: like just call me whenever you can. So she faced him.

982
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: She's like why what's going on? Like what did you hear? Like?

983
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: And I was like like, are you guys still together?

984
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: And she was like yeah. And then she kind of

985
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: got like a little tiara and she's like what are

986
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: you talking about? And I was like, oh, I just

987
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: like I had heard to me and I didn't tell

988
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: her like where I had heard it from. It was

989
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's probably like stupid. So already had

990
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: talked to this Brad Smith guy. I don't know who

991
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: he talked that. I don't we talked to too many people.

992
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: He talked to too many people. He didn't talk before

993
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: I had heard through the grape vine is the worst thing.

994
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: So all these other people knew and then so I'm

995
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: like and she's like, no, everything is fine. He didn't

996
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: dump her. What we watched tonight happened days later. So

997
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: it's like you everybody knew before her, Like myself included, like,

998
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: how did I hear about that before she did? Like

999
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: that's just wrong. I know, just watching him talk to

1000
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: the camera in interview like, Okay, this is what I'm

1001
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: going to go do now. I was like he was,

1002
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: and he said, let's go do this. Also, I wonder

1003
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: if he would have made the same decision if Lauren

1004
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: didn't agree to take him back. Okay, So that was

1005
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: held that conversation go. And did she affirm that she

1006
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: didn't listen? Okay, so she must have affirm that she

1007
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: would get back together with him. I don't know if

1008
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: it was then, but obviously they continue to talk after

1009
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: that point, right, and then I don't think it would

1010
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: have ended things with Becca had Lauren not agreed to

1011
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: be in a relationship with at least put up. I

1012
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: hope that if well, I mean I hope at some

1013
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: point he would have ended things with Becca. I mean,

1014
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: did you see this coming? Any of you take Lauren

1015
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: out of the picture for a second. Would this have

1016
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: happened either way, Like, would the breakup of still existed

1017
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: or do you feel like that this happened. Lauren is

1018
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: the reason that it happened. I feel like, I don't

1019
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: know what that guy has got going on upstairs. I don't.

1020
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: I think I think it's because he had Lauren in

1021
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: his mind and he felt like maybe Lauren was his

1022
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: true love and he had missed that opportunity. That's probably

1023
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: the reason why they had broken things off. That he

1024
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: broke off with Becca. Hate always go back to Gray's Anatomy,

1025
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: but I don't go back to So there's this one

1026
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: episode where like Lexi is helping some lady write her

1027
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: book and she is like dating Jackson, and Jackson on

1028
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: paper is like the good guy, and he's like like logically,

1029
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like that's the guy, and the ladies like, no,

1030
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: she's supposed to end up with like this, like panhandler

1031
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: or something stupid like that, and she's like, no, but

1032
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: that's in the story. I don't know, watch the episode,

1033
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: I'll find it. But she in that moment realized he's

1034
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: like Mark Sloan is the guy who she's supposed to

1035
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: be with. It doesn't make any sense, but like that

1036
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: connection is there. And tonight when I was watching the episode,

1037
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: I was like, that's what happened with Lauren. Um, I

1038
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: think like Lauren, you know, maybe didn't make sense. And

1039
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: his family saying, oh, Becca is good for you and

1040
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: she's right for you in so many ways. But he

1041
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: was very clearly in love with Lauren. But it's just like,

1042
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: just I mean, don't do that to my friend. I

1043
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: don't know, did that, Grace make any sense? I'm sorry, Well,

1044
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: we talked about Grays all the time on this podcast.

1045
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: I've never seen an episode and actually either goes back

1046
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: to Gray's anatomy, Sex in the City or the Jonas brothers. Well,

1047
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Lexie and Mark were mentally Trinity. Okay, so let's go okay.

1048
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: So then Lauren was on board getting back together with Ari.

1049
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Now let's fast forward to how they're doing. Now, how

1050
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: is Becca doing? Now? Do you think presumably her being

1051
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: the bachelorette will take pain away from the situation. I'm

1052
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna make the announcement now and say that Becca has

1053
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: to be the bachelorette. There's no question. Let's yeah, let's

1054
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: assume and that If Becca isn't the Bachelorette tomorrow night,

1055
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: it will be the biggest letdown. Let's talk about two

1056
00:55:54,280 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: emotional nights. Um yeah, uh, no fence to any of you.

1057
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: But after seeing Becca come through a we just said

1058
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: it earlier that this season had I think ten women

1059
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: who could easily be I went home week four, So

1060
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not saying

1061
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: the top ten. I'm just saying ten. I'm just saying

1062
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: I was never in the running. But I think after

1063
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: watching the breakup, after watching Becca put her heart out there,

1064
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: I think we all can agree, um that she's probably

1065
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: going to be the bachelorat She is one of the

1066
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: best people. Um, she's quirky, she's funny, she's like so

1067
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: open to be like I'm a nerd like, but she

1068
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: she loves hard and she really puts her heart out there.

1069
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: And also the way that she handled herself tonight with him,

1070
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 1: like she obviously at some point she ended up crying,

1071
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: but she didn't cry at first. She was pretty matter

1072
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: of fact interesting and she kind of handled him the

1073
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: way that she handled Ross when Ross showed up, kind

1074
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: of like I'm not interested, Like Ross is a douche, Yeah,

1075
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: a cheater. Tell us more people are like, oh, seems

1076
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater people that that. Uh. Let's

1077
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: ask Sienna and Kindle. Do you think, because I know

1078
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: Tia and Caroline probably have their feelings here, do you

1079
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: think Becca is emotionally ready to be the Bachelor at

1080
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: Because I mean we start that starts filming next week.

1081
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: So do you think she's ready to be the Bachelor?

1082
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: And why? To both of you? After watching it tonight,

1083
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: I think that she is um and speaking to her

1084
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: and I've spoken to her and texted with her, I

1085
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: think that she is. I think that when someone does

1086
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: something that extreme. I'm sure there were a lot of tears,

1087
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: but I feel like she was able to kind of

1088
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: close the book on that. And luckily their relationship wasn't

1089
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: that long. It was three months total. They're not it's

1090
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: not They're like seeing each other every day every other

1091
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: weekend because they get to have their happy couple weekend,

1092
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: happy happy, Right, She's ready? I think so. I think

1093
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: when I spoke with Becca last she what she had

1094
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: to say about Lauren and Ari was that she wish

1095
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: isn't the best and that she wants them to be

1096
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: ultimately happy, to find happiness with each other, so she

1097
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have any hard feelings about it. I know it

1098
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: was hard for her, but she still wants them to

1099
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: be happy, and I feel like her happiness just makes

1100
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: so much sense. She'll have thirty rebounds. I don't want

1101
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: to agree with me that when you say I wish

1102
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: you the best, you're really saying please go after yourself.

1103
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: Said anything to somebody like I wish you the best,

1104
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: it means I'm going to punch you in the face.

1105
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: I hate you. I can see that's as the subtext.

1106
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: How is Becca feeling about being broken up in the

1107
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: Happy Couple? Sweet? Like she was? That was an answer?

1108
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: Come on now, I mean she told us she was

1109
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: completely blondsided, like he showed up with no luggage and

1110
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: she knew something was up. How exploited did she feel? Um?

1111
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't think she was mad

1112
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: at like the show. I know everyone's like, oh, you know,

1113
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: the show shouldn't have done that. Um. I mean, I

1114
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: think we'll kind of sign up for this very public

1115
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: thing here, you know's very interesting. We kind of and

1116
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there would have been all these

1117
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: questions that you know, everyone would want to know and

1118
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: all these things and answered and people keep asking me

1119
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: like what did are do? I kind of needed this

1120
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: so people can get off my back. Yeah, I all

1121
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: noticed that she slips the ring off halfway through the

1122
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: breakup because the ring is like so gigantic in our face,

1123
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: and then she realizes it and she like slips it off,

1124
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: like and she said, I'm so embarrassed. I was like, Oh,

1125
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: can we talk about how terribly already handled that? Like

1126
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: that was emotionless? Ben and I already did talk about this,

1127
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: but his lack of empathy in that moment was just

1128
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: for someone he loves, like I know, And where did

1129
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: that go? That it had been two months? You guys,

1130
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: he had never cried. He didn't she no, no, he

1131
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: cried and went Becca and she went he cried, but

1132
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: then he dumps his fiance and nothing nothing, And Stone

1133
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: called Steve Austin, Man, Okay, let's start with um seeing

1134
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go around the room in counterclockwise order.

1135
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna go seeing Caroline Tia Kendall, how did seeing

1136
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: how poorly did Ari handle the breakup with Becca? And

1137
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: so what we talked about a little bit ago in

1138
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: the podcast and for anybody listening will catch up as well. Um,

1139
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, we aren't that upset with Ari for figuring

1140
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: out that, hey, he loves somebody else. We get that

1141
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: that happens. We're as humans were allowed to make mistakes.

1142
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: What we think the biggest problem with this so far

1143
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: and what really America is in an uproar about on Twitter.

1144
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still trending at number one right now

1145
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: or a few hours after the finale aired, is why

1146
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: did you do on TV? How poorly did he handle this?

1147
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: And why did he propose is somebody when his heart

1148
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: was torn for somebody else? So let's start with seeing

1149
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: in the final scene that we saw in tonight's episode,

1150
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: how poorly to our handling? Or maybe feel free to

1151
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: say how amazing he handled the situation. I mean, I

1152
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: don't think any worse like that was one of the

1153
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: most painful things I've ever watched. He didn't have any

1154
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: words he should have left. He wanted to get tears

1155
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: from her, He wanted to get her to say that

1156
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: she loved him. It was really disgusting. In my opinion,

1157
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad he did on TV because I think it

1158
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: shows kind of um, a little yeah, a little bit

1159
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: of who he is. And it's sad, and it's sad Rebecca.

1160
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: But also you know, she handled herself really well, so

1161
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it did her some favors in now. I

1162
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: mean he kind of showed his ass. Sorry, Ari, but

1163
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: you did. And it's funny that he was like, hey, like,

1164
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: can I stay and talk? And then the son of

1165
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: a bitch doesn't say a word and just stares at her. Well,

1166
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: she cries like he just wanted to comment, were real quick?

1167
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: I want to Carolin, I want to interrupt you. I

1168
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: found that so weird. Is the lingering part, like is

1169
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: that a common thing? And breakups? I don't know if. Well,

1170
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: my ex and I lived together for two weeks after

1171
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: we broke up, and we broke up on Valentine's Day

1172
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: and then still had Valentine's Day dinner and he bought

1173
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: me flowers and we slow danced in the kitchen. It

1174
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: was weird. So no wonder why this all. We'll call

1175
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: you next week for the next podcast questions. You know,

1176
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: the thing was it was, you know, we were we

1177
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: knew it was over, and we respected the relationship for

1178
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: what it was, and you know, we we had our closure,

1179
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: and I think that that was what it was. It

1180
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: was definitely complicated, but there wasn't any like let me

1181
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: throw things at your head. It was like, hey, like

1182
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: this is over, and um, I was definitely heartbroken and

1183
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: we cried together and we talked about things and so

1184
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: watching um. Granted, we were together for two years and

1185
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: that's not how long this was, but at the end

1186
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like you were engaged to this person.

1187
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: So for me to watch him sit there and say, hey, like,

1188
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: let's talk and he just literally wants to sit there

1189
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: and watch her suffer. It's like a kid on aunt

1190
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: hill with a magnifying glass. It's like you didn't say anything.

1191
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: You didn't give her any closure. She said I loved

1192
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: you like you know, I really loved you, And he

1193
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: could have said I loved you too, like you said

1194
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: that to look like you know what I mean? If

1195
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: he didn't give her anything to kind of UM, I

1196
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I just felt like he was. It felt

1197
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: very loveless, It felt very cold. And he's just an

1198
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: ass hat. That's no other way to put it. Really,

1199
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about her? Are

1200
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: the asset? I love alliteration. Let's talk about it. Honestly,

1201
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad that Becca kind of called him out a

1202
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: little bit, and I was like, hey, if you're having

1203
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: such a hard time with this the morning of, why

1204
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: would you even propose it? All? Um? He I mean,

1205
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: he deserves to be called out like that. And I

1206
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I left the show, um, I mean obviously

1207
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: very emotional. And I even got home and was like, man,

1208
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: he was such a great, kind, genuine person and didn't

1209
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: have a negative thing to say about him, And after

1210
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: all of this, it just made me kind of question

1211
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: who he really is. We were for a little bit, yeah, like, yeah, yeah,

1212
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: I understand it's hard to get to the end of

1213
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: this thing and have two people that you're in love with,

1214
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: But he could have handled himself so much better. So

1215
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, guys, what we were talking

1216
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: about the top of the show. Do you think that

1217
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: we I know I'm gonna get to I'm not gonna

1218
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: get to Kendall, but I think I want to move

1219
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: this into Kendall. Get your feedback from this too. Do

1220
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: you think that he just should not have proposed in

1221
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: the end and said, hey, I want to date both

1222
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: of you for a little bit longer date would no no, no,

1223
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: time's up. Kendall. Going into this whole thing, he didn't

1224
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: really have Bachelor Nation on his side. I think that

1225
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: he was really pressured to have that happy ending that

1226
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: one really expects the bachelor to have. I mean, if

1227
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: you don't get proposed or proposing him at the end

1228
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: of this, people kind of hate you. And I don't

1229
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: think that's his fault. I think I think he felt

1230
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: like he had to try to win over some of

1231
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: the Bachelor Nations because they wanted to have that fairy

1232
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: tale happy because he was not Peter, and that's kind

1233
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: of what it was. Though it was. I mean, it's

1234
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to know that he felt so in secure going

1235
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: into that um and I feel like he so badly

1236
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: wanted to please everybody that maybe he didn't think about

1237
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: anyone other people's feelings. He wanted to do this a

1238
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: choice that made the most sense at the time. He's like, well,

1239
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: even though he didn't know if he should have proposed

1240
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: or not, he felt like he had to have that

1241
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: happy ending to the peace everyone else. That makes sense.

1242
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that I want

1243
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: to get away from the Bachelor Bachelor is I know

1244
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: how real and authentic this show can be. And we

1245
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit ago and my advice to

1246
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: any future bachelor or bachelor, and who knows some people

1247
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: in this room, you still have a chance. If it's

1248
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: not this year, could be next year. If it is,

1249
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: it could be tomorrow. I don't know. Um I think

1250
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: you're all just like expecting it to be like a

1251
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: Shan Lowe, you know what I mean, Yeah, just like

1252
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: what happened with that Umore. But I'd like to get

1253
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: away from the force proposal because I want to see

1254
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: authentic love. Uh. You know one thing I noticed with

1255
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: R this season, he wore a lot of blue. I

1256
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else saw that. Can we all

1257
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: agree we're a lot of blue? Yeah? I didn't. He

1258
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: looks good and gray. He looks good in color. I

1259
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: think Ari needs to go shopping, and I have some

1260
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: advice for him. How about Leto. Leto is great value

1261
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: and it's really easy to use. Okay, So I went

1262
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: to the mall and didn't find anything. Last week I

1263
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: went shopping. I never go shopping. I was looking for

1264
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: some clothes for tonight. I wasted two hours of my

1265
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Speaker 1: repeating I love that, I wish I looked to. Actually, Actually,

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01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: how much fun? Yeah, oh gosh, dang it, that was

1295
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: I love that. I like that? Um, actually, how much

1296
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: fun has it been having these four women in studio

1297
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: with us? So? I mean, I can see the glow

1298
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: on your face. You absolutely love talking about this. I

1299
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: love talking about I love talking about with people that

1300
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: have been there. Are any of you, uh not happy

1301
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: that you did the Bachelor? I wouldn't undo it for anything? Why? Um?

1302
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look around, like, I have all these amazing

1303
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: friends here and yeah, it's messy and it's weird, and

1304
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: we all chose to do this crazy little bachelor WORL

1305
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't a lot of people don't get it. And they

1306
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 1: think it's like so anti feminist, but um, these women

1307
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: are also incredible and I'm so inspired by them daily

1308
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: and like you know what I mean just being around

1309
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: all of these women, like I I'm a better person

1310
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: for it. And I left with some bride'smaid So, um,

1311
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: I have some lifelong friends here. And you are you engaged?

1312
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: Are you getting married too? Said I'm my hypothetical wedding.

1313
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: Du like you don't have a like you don't have

1314
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: a pinterest. It seems like paradise. Um, yeah, Caroline is

1315
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: gonna go for it. Caroline, if I mean I want

1316
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: to start, actually, let's start back. I like this order,

1317
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: seeing we're gonna start with you, uh, counterclockwise? Who would

1318
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: have been? It was? Are your ideal bachelor? Were you

1319
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: hoping for him? And if not him, then who would

1320
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: you have rather had? Um? Well, I did not know who?

1321
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: Are you lined? Like Junior was where they announced him, saying,

1322
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: so there was no way he was my ideal bachelor. Um,

1323
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Peter, So you know

1324
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: I was excited about that, but you know I still

1325
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: agreed to do it. I wouldn't been excited if it

1326
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: was you as well. Oh, my god, here you go.

1327
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: Everybody got told me at me for not talking about it.

1328
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: You told me today that he was like in the running,

1329
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: and then I was like, damn it all, what you do?

1330
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: You screwed us all over, Bend I had a podcast

1331
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: to do. We we actually have a couple of emails

1332
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: here that I wanted to read and seeing kind of

1333
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: led into it. Well, and then we'll continue with the

1334
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: Caroline situation. I don't think we liked each other as

1335
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: much if we actually had a good guy to fight over,

1336
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: because we would have been like, oh yeah, really think

1337
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: before I ask, do you think because you didn't have

1338
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: the connection with r I mean you did have a

1339
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: good connection with Ari Kendle you did as well. Um,

1340
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: but with the two of you, say if if maybe

1341
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: you had a guy that you felt a little stronger for,

1342
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have built the friendships you had. No, I

1343
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: would say for the reason why I liked Ari some

1344
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: because he was someone that I wouldn't have dated before

1345
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: he was very He's just he's like a unique relationship

1346
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: that I hadn't experienced, and I think I found out

1347
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: so much more about love and more about myself and

1348
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: what I wanted in a man because of him. Yeah,

1349
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like a normal thing for

1350
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: us to have a complete disconnect from our from our

1351
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: relationship with Ari and our friendships. I don't know. I

1352
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: feel like we just all kind of clicked from the

1353
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: beginning and like supported each other somehow and build each

1354
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: other up. And I don't know if it would have changed,

1355
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: if it would have been more competitive, had been agree

1356
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: you guys, everybody in this room is hitting on Bed

1357
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: and I don't know whether to keep it going. Do

1358
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: you know I've wondered even after tonight, because I do

1359
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: know Peter, and I like Peter. I mean, and I've

1360
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Peter. I know he's

1361
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: gotten some flak here over even this season for some

1362
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: of the stuff that happened with his ex girlfriend. Do

1363
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: you all still feel like Peter would have been a

1364
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: better choice, Yes, if he wasn't ready, though I don't

1365
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: know what he wasn't ready. Good point. Good point, you

1366
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: guys who would have gotten crazy over Peter? I would have.

1367
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would have been intimidated. I think

1368
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: I too, like it was just enough nerdy to make

1369
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: me feel comfortable stepping out of my comfort zone. I

1370
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: think I just always kind of get friend zoned because

1371
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm right about yeah, you are not anymore.

1372
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: Actually actually gets so nervous around Peter. It's it's absolutely

1373
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was cool around him. He said

1374
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: he would date me. Remember, actually I remember the very

1375
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna defend her because she's my girl, and

1376
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: that is true. That is true. Thanks, Kendall. Would you

1377
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: have preferred it to be Peter? Come on, be honest, Um,

1378
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: she can't do it. There's something that I liked about

1379
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 1: going into an experience where I didn't know who the

1380
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 1: guy was. And I think everyone has all these expectations

1381
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: of who Peter is and he's this guy that everyone

1382
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: fell in love with. Um, But I liked going into

1383
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: it without knowing who already was and I hadn't seen

1384
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: his season, So I think in that way, I didn't

1385
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: have any expectations and I was allowed to just love

1386
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: how I normally love was supposed to make up a

1387
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: whole love story in my mind before I actually met

1388
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: a guy. So I didn't watch that season though, because

1389
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: I had they already called me and be like, hey, like,

1390
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of on the works for this, so I

1391
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be I wanted to go into it without

1392
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: any expectations. I didn't want to be like, hey, do

1393
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: you have any siblings, and then I'm like, I watched

1394
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: your hometown, I know everything about you, Like you know

1395
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: what I mean. I wanted to have them my questions

1396
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: come from a genuine place and try and treat this

1397
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: crazy little process as natural as possible. That's what I'm

1398
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: definitely real. It was so weird going into what I

1399
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: didn't expect this. I didn't expect to have any real feelings,

1400
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: and I feel like I was pleasantly surprised with how

1401
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: much I was able to open up. That's what I

1402
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: answer to everybody who askeds the Bachelor real? I go, well,

1403
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: all the feelings are genuinely real. I want to end

1404
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: this podcast with a bang, so we're gonna do one.

1405
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: Let's clarify, Actually, there's there's a lot of people in

1406
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: the room. Okay, I want to end it on a

1407
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: very juicy note, So I'm going to read this email

1408
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: from Ali. Um. Hey, Ashley, I I am so disappointed

1409
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: Cianne came on and you didn't even mention that Ben

1410
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: said he consider going on the Bachelorette if she was Cianne.

1411
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: I need to know, we all need to know, would

1412
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: Ben do that or would they go on a date

1413
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: in real life? Well, I'm sorry, guy. The only reason

1414
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: I didn't address this on the podcast last week is

1415
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 1: because when I was doing Women Tell All interviews for Access,

1416
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: I asked then and I got the answer, and she

1417
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: said that she would go on a date with Ben

1418
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: in real life off camera. So now so now we

1419
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: have both of them on the mike and I'm just

1420
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: gonna let them hash it out of here. So yeah,

1421
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: this is kind of how I'm sure you guys feel,

1422
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: kind of similar to how I felt watching the breakup tonight,

1423
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: is like you don't belong in this conversation, but yet

1424
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: for some reason, you're sitting here in this room. Um,

1425
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: what a great, great question. Everybody feels awkward except for

1426
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: me here, Um, so what a great question. One is Ashley,

1427
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: I was a little frustrated that you didn't bring this

1428
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: up last week. Also, yeah, I was like, you know what,

1429
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about it all season. We we've had crushes

1430
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: on this podcast with multiple people from from this season.

1431
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: We think this season was full of amazing women. I

1432
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: think many girl crushes on so many girl crushes. Um,

1433
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: but c N stood out because I think the class

1434
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: and the intelligence and the beauty, especially throughout the whole season,

1435
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: was really like this, this is something special, you know,

1436
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: this is this is somebody that could definitely lead this

1437
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: franchise and also some of that any guy would be

1438
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: lucky to be with. So we said it. I think

1439
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago that if if c N at

1440
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: the time, we really thought this, this is gonna happen.

1441
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: This expense actually so excited. Um, we said a few

1442
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: weeks ago CN was announced as the Bachelorette, would I

1443
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: go on the season? There would not be many people

1444
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: that I would go onto the Bachelorette before again, actually

1445
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: it would be really hard for me. But hypothetically, of course,

1446
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: I think, of course I would go on the Bachelor,

1447
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of guys from what I

1448
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: understand from this franchise, would go on the Bachelorette. But

1449
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to go on the Bachelorette. But that

1450
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: was the question. Um, if she happened to be tied up,

1451
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: he would fight for her. We would fight for it.

1452
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Well, no, but

1453
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, and that goes to to everybody in this room.

1454
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: We've yeah, are you're just saying this because you know

1455
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: she's not the bachelor right now? This is an easy

1456
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: way out of it. Ben, Well, there's no easy way out.

1457
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: I met every word I said. I said that weeks

1458
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: ago before we knew that, um, and we still don't

1459
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: know that she could be thrown us for a loop here. UM.

1460
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, for all that was said about Ari and

1461
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: and all that, um, we we might feel a little

1462
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: disappointed in I think this season. Uh, I felt disconnected

1463
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: at times, and it was nothing to do with anybody

1464
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: in this room. I don't even know if what was

1465
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: to do with Ari. I just think that this season

1466
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: the Bachelor had a different element to it, one that

1467
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: maybe nobody can understand completely. But all we can really

1468
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: hope for from this point forward is that whoever are

1469
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: ends up with that it is real and that it

1470
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: is true, and that whoever the bachelorette is steps into

1471
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: next week's um start and find somebody that now can

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Speaker 1: fulfill hopefully this void that she has now suffered. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and my assumption is suffered because of Ari. UM. I

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Speaker 1: guess either way, it's probably gonna be because of Ori.

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Speaker 1: But with that said, this season had some of the

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Speaker 1: best women that we've ever seen in this franchise. So uh,

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Speaker 1: kudos to all of you. Um, we get while you're friends,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for making uh this podcast a little

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Speaker 1: easier each week, UM because of the way you handed yourselves.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for carrying the show for us guys. It

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Speaker 1: was very entertaining and uh, you guys. I want to

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Speaker 1: say that we will be back on Wednesday. Ben makes

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Speaker 1: it seem like this is the last time we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about you guys, but that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: We will be back on Wednesday talking about after the

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Speaker 1: final rows. So thank you to all our sponsors, Letote, Bio, Clarity,

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Speaker 1: Bowling Branch and fab Fit Fun. We love you all

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Speaker 1: and we love all the ladies in this room. It

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Speaker 1: has been so nice to be back in studio. It's

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Speaker 1: late at night, it's ten o'clock in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: been a big day, UM, but we cannot be happy

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Speaker 1: to be at our Heart Studios doing this podcast. With that,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be back. I've been been, I've been Ashley,

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Speaker 1: I've been Cienne, I've been Caroline, I've been Toya. Now

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Speaker 1: I've been Kendall. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Follow

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Speaker 1: the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I

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