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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson

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Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about Lcaricia of Winchester

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Speaker 1: this week. We did do whose name I kept morphing

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Speaker 1: into Lucretia as I was typing my outline, which uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm willing to bet does have the same origin.

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Speaker 1: Lcaricia basically means sweet. Yes, I will confess to you

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Speaker 1: that I have always pronounced it with a harder emphasis

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Speaker 1: on the oh, so it's like licorica, like that sweet fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've I don't know how specifically she would

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Speaker 1: have pronounced it. It is spelled innumerable ways right in

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Speaker 1: the record. Also don't totally know like how her kids'

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Speaker 1: names would have been pronounced. We went with a share

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Speaker 1: for her son, whose name is in most accounts either

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Speaker 1: spelled Asher or as s Er, because I think that

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Speaker 1: is how most people who were using that name as

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Speaker 1: a Hebrew name pronounce it, and it's also the more

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Speaker 1: French way to pronounce it, and so since most as

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Speaker 1: we understand it, most Jewish people in medieval England were

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Speaker 1: kind of using Norman French versions of their names. That

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Speaker 1: seemed like the best way to go. But there are

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Speaker 1: so many different spellings, so many nicknames that don't immediately

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Speaker 1: make sense but are based on like how things were

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Speaker 1: pronounced a thousand years. Yeah. Yeah, so many people asked

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Speaker 1: us to do this, and honestly, I was embarrassed when

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Speaker 1: I did another check of it it recently, because I

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Speaker 1: was like, there was there was a ton of stuff

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Speaker 1: that was there before a year ago or you know,

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Speaker 1: February of last year when people were asking for it,

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Speaker 1: and it just like that just was buried by many

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Speaker 1: many news articles about the statue that all had the

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Speaker 1: same three or four points. It's such a heart wrenching

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Speaker 1: story because you know, now that we know a bit more,

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Speaker 1: it's not something I knew a lot about, but like

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Speaker 1: the idea of just like all of these people belonged

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Speaker 1: to the king, yeah, really is like upsetting to me

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Speaker 1: on a visceral level. Yeah. So it's been I think

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Speaker 1: a while since we've really talked about medieval history on

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Speaker 1: the show, but medieval history and specifically medieval women, like

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Speaker 1: it's always just been a favorite topic of mine and

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Speaker 1: something that I have returned to on the show periodically,

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Speaker 1: but overwhelmingly, the medieval women that I have learned about

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Speaker 1: and have been taught about and have had college courses about, like,

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Speaker 1: they have all been Christian, many of them specifically Christian

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Speaker 1: mystics and anchorises, and like people who were signed in

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Speaker 1: some like world of religious devotion, specifically Christian religious devotion.

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Speaker 1: And so I did not have a sense of the

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Speaker 1: whole like that arc of Jewish history in medieval England

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Speaker 1: and how much of it she lived through, And so

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Speaker 1: when I started working on this episode, I did not

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Speaker 1: have a sense of how much like horrible violence and

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism and blood libel like. I did not have

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Speaker 1: a sense of how much all of that was going

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Speaker 1: to be part of the episode when I started working

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Speaker 1: on it. I also one of the reasons that we

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Speaker 1: didn't do this episode back in twenty two, in addition

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Speaker 1: to the fact that I was like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's enough information about that, is I just I

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Speaker 1: had reservations about talking about somebody who was in a

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Speaker 1: profession that does have all of these prejudicial stereotypes associated

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Speaker 1: and how to make it super super clear that you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's this. There are these stereotypes of the quote money lender,

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Speaker 1: and those are not stereotypes that we also apply to

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Speaker 1: somebody that we might would describe as a banker, right,

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Speaker 1: or a pawnbroker or any of these other comparable jobs

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Speaker 1: that people were also doing. Yeah. I mean it's one

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Speaker 1: of those those moments where I marvel at the horrific

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Speaker 1: consistency of history, right that, like, these are things that

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Speaker 1: M hmmm, and those stereotypes are still causing problems. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like we have as much as we all like to

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Speaker 1: pet ourselves on the back for how far mankind has come, right,

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Speaker 1: not really. Yeah, And one of the things that was

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Speaker 1: really frustrating to me about this episode is how, for

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, especially in England, that stereotype exists

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Speaker 1: because the king was literally like I want to have

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Speaker 1: these these like Jewish financiers come to lend me money,

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Speaker 1: it's England is obviously not the only place that where

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Speaker 1: Jewish people were working in lending, but they're like it

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Speaker 1: was particularly concentrated specifically because of like the King's actions

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Speaker 1: is that a rail? Right, it's such a unique I mean, listen, horrific.

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Speaker 1: So please don't think I'm complimenting him in what I'm

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Speaker 1: about to say, but it is such a unique and

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Speaker 1: well strategized way to get someone who has what you

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Speaker 1: don't have to give it to you without giving them

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Speaker 1: any power. Right, Yeah, for sure, Like, oh, yes, you

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Speaker 1: me because of it I'm the king, Yeah, which is astonishing. Right,

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Speaker 1: most of the time, in most of our day to

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Speaker 1: day normal lives, if someone lent us a large sum

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Speaker 1: we didn't repay it properly or any other thing, like,

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Speaker 1: they could potentially, you know, yeah, preak havoc in our lives.

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Speaker 1: But he figured out this loophole that he could set up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also originally had some stuff in that line about

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Speaker 1: how like attitudes toward charging interest started shifting more in

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Speaker 1: like the thirteenth and fourteenth century. There are still various

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Speaker 1: religious communities and denominations that that find all interest to

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Speaker 1: be sinful. So like that is that still exists. There's

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Speaker 1: still like folks that have to work out other ways

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Speaker 1: to exist in a society with money without violating their

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Speaker 1: religious principles over it. But like there became a wider

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Speaker 1: a wider sense of the fact that loaning somebody money

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Speaker 1: is a risk and interest helps defer that risk, right,

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Speaker 1: because if one person defaults on their alone, maybe other

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Speaker 1: people's interest means you don't wind up as the lender

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Speaker 1: going bankrupt, if that makes sense, So theyre just uh,

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Speaker 1: there became a more permissive attitude, but there's still obviously

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Speaker 1: today is discussion about like what rates of interest are exploitive,

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Speaker 1: When is it okay to charge interest and when is

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Speaker 1: it not. Very recently there was legislation introduced in Congress,

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Speaker 1: with the idea being that interest rates that are too

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Speaker 1: high are are exploitive. I took all of that out

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Speaker 1: because I was like, it felt like uh an aside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm saying it now instead. I find that statue

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Speaker 1: to be really beautiful. Yeah, I got choked up trying

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Speaker 1: some of that Okay, So we don't have historically accurate,

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Speaker 1: verifiable depictions of what Jewish people living in England war, right, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: a lot of that we don't know, but we sort

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Speaker 1: of think similar dress to what Christians in England were wearing. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and widows, were expected to have all of their hair covered.

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Speaker 1: the psychology of money. We're not saying that at all.

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Speaker 1: don't smell great to me. It's very tricky, but it's

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Speaker 1: for you because we want all of you to be safe.

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Speaker 1: So if you are going out in the sun this weekend,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I hope you get time off suntime and

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Speaker 1: sound like a mom. We will be right back here

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