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Speaker 1: that to you. But I think it's important to watch

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Speaker 1: whether or not Democrats bring this up with the former

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Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. More breaking news up next. This

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Speaker 1: though he had no expertise whatsoever. Okay, so what he

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Speaker 1: President Trump will be meeting with tomorrow. The breaking news tonight.

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Speaker 1: How Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying just within the last half

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Speaker 1: over Ukraine. We also know that the Senate Intelligence Committee,

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Speaker 1: House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, a Republican from giving the

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Speaker 1: to see him come out swinging against his speaker, obviously

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, I think Kevin's right. I think

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Speaker 1: have something that you know that I don't probably point

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign statement on Democrats move toward impeachment. The headlines

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Speaker 1: impeachment strategy is meant to appease their rabid, extreme leftist base,

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Speaker 1: but will only serve to embolden and energize President Trump's

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Speaker 1: supporters and create a landslide victory for the president. End quote. Kevin,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is all over again, right.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, as Kevin said, Um, the

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you look at the California

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Speaker 1: But Elizabeth barn is taking the lead in Iowa and

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean, if you're Senator that this

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Speaker 1: But my two experts observers. But but is this bad

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Speaker 1: start with you. I think the is the winner here,

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Speaker 1: Of course, you saw Senator Corey Booker out this past week,

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Speaker 1: the end of the quarter. Um. But and and the

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Speaker 1: at Senator Warren on her plans for Medicare for all

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Speaker 1: And and one thing I want to point out is

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Speaker 1: At last, go around to thousand sixteen, the Sanders people

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Speaker 1: the president. All right, let's reset here, how Speaker Nancy

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Speaker 1: President or what former Vice President Joe Biden is Stone

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Speaker 1: office Kevin Walling Democratic strategists. How has the Biden campaign

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Speaker 1: to separate themselves from the vice president's son. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: her her airs up when when under attack and when

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Speaker 1: And you saw that interaction with Peter Doocey of Fox News,

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Speaker 1: think that is true. You know, I'm thinking back as

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Speaker 1: as we're talking about the different how things can change. Um. Again,

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Speaker 1: if the transcripts show, hey, there's no case there. I

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Speaker 1: think President Trump is the winner by a long long

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Speaker 1: We got the transcript tomorrow, yes, and and and we'll

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Speaker 1: know everything. And I think that there's a feeling among

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Speaker 1: a lot of swing voters that the Democrat Party keeps

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Speaker 1: getting ahead of itself. And and it's okay, and you know,

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Speaker 1: some base people, um, you know, they hate Trump. We

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Speaker 1: all understand that. But but I think that the mainstream

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Speaker 1: people feel like he is still the president of the

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Speaker 1: United States. This isn't good for us. That've got too

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Speaker 1: many things going on in Iran, North Korea, Syria right

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Speaker 1: now is this really a good time? And and and

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Speaker 1: economy class jobs, the economy is great, um right now

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Speaker 1: six million new jobs, uh low lowest unemployed in the

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Speaker 1: numbers in history, with all just about every demographic wages

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Speaker 1: up to point three. And so I think there is

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Speaker 1: a risk for Democrats at large. And and it's interesting

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Speaker 1: that seven swing Democrats yesterday kind of get on board,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna be the first ones to go because

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Speaker 1: it's not the people in the hardcore blue districts. But see,

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Speaker 1: but see can I can? I? So I think Jack

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Speaker 1: makes a great point. We're joined folks by Jack Kinson.

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Speaker 1: He's a former Georgia congressman. He's a Trump twenty campaign surrogate,

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Walling, a Democratic strategist at h G Creative Media.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow we get this release of the transcript from this conversation,

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Speaker 1: but procedurally because because people here impeachment and the headline impeachment,

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Speaker 1: Pelosi launch's impeachment inquiry, there are I want to take

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Speaker 1: a pause, and I want to take a breath and

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Speaker 1: and and really factor in on what this means. There

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Speaker 1: are six committees in the House of Representatives who have

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Speaker 1: been for quite some time investigating everything from President Trump's

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Speaker 1: financial record to try and to get his tax records

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Speaker 1: to uh potential conflicts of interest to the mother investigation

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Speaker 1: investigating everything um. And they're led by six different Democrats.

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Speaker 1: So she's saying that she's going to get the reports

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Speaker 1: off of their investigations and then decide if she should

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Speaker 1: move forward with impeachment proceedings. Correct. I believe that's part

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Speaker 1: of you know that press conference. Yeah, and and again

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Speaker 1: to you know your point, keV, I think that's the

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Speaker 1: process that's going forward. You know, she mentioned Richie Neal,

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Speaker 1: who's the chair of the Ways and Means Committee on

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Speaker 1: the tax front. You would mentioned Maxine Waters, Chair of

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Speaker 1: Financial Services, on financial potential, financial issues, miss miss givings,

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Speaker 1: what have you. But of course the House Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 1: has been the lead committee with its investigators, and they

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Speaker 1: have hired outside council to investigate the president, and it's

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Speaker 1: up to her to pull it all together. I think

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Speaker 1: it's remarkable today, probably one of the most divisive days

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Speaker 1: uh in Washington, Hi, that the coms and I are

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Speaker 1: in such agreement in complementary of one another, because he's

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Speaker 1: making an excellent point also too, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: electoral ramifications, and he knows better than than most. It

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Speaker 1: actually hurt Republicans the impeachment of Bill Clinton because what

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Speaker 1: they got out I think in front of their skis,

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Speaker 1: and the American people weren't there. And that's my hesitation.

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Speaker 1: I think that's been the Speaker's hesitation to clear this

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Speaker 1: up for folks though, because if there's six different committees

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Speaker 1: that are investigating all of this, but the components of it,

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Speaker 1: that's but that's what I mean. I mean, And we

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Speaker 1: were talking earlier during in the break about how there

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Speaker 1: hasn't been a tangible thing, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 1: for the American public to get I don't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: criticizing the American public by any means, but in terms

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Speaker 1: of a tangible thing that said this, this has caused

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Speaker 1: for impeachment. So if we're talking right now about Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and and then there's six other investigations going on, what

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Speaker 1: are they? What is going to be the singular thing

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Speaker 1: that impeaches the president? Does that make sense? It absolutely doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And Jack knows is better than I do. In terms

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Speaker 1: of the Clinton situation, which I think there are some parallels,

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't just the situation with Montica Lewinsky was perjury.

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Speaker 1: There was a whole list of different articles in which

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Speaker 1: he was impeached. I think that's going to be part

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Speaker 1: of that process. And she wants to gather all of

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Speaker 1: these questionable activities under one uniformed approach, with various different

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Speaker 1: articles of impeachment that then go before the full House,

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Speaker 1: right And and remember there's always um There were Republicans

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Speaker 1: who wanted to peach President Obama. There were articles filed

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Speaker 1: against George Bush, and so there's always the partisans who

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Speaker 1: have reason to believe that whoever is in office should

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Speaker 1: be impeached. I think al Green introduced articles right after

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Speaker 1: Trump has inaugurated, right, I mean on kind of silly basis,

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Speaker 1: But immediately now, if I'm Nancy Pelosi, what I would

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Speaker 1: be doing right now as because because we do know

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Speaker 1: that AOC and a number of people said you're not

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Speaker 1: moving fast enough, and so she may have said us,

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Speaker 1: and if there's one other thing, one more thing, then

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Speaker 1: I will say go ahead with it. But if I

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Speaker 1: do that, do you know something that's out there? And

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Speaker 1: so I don't think they're starting from ground zero right now.

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Speaker 1: I think Jerry Nadler has already said that, Nancy Pelesi,

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Speaker 1: I've got I've got something that we think will get traction,

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Speaker 1: and so just give us the excuse to move forward

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Speaker 1: and then we can really drive this train. So it

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Speaker 1: might be something we don't know of altogether. And that's

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Speaker 1: an excellent point by the Congressman. And you just said

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Speaker 1: not too long ago about this. Those seven members kind

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Speaker 1: of on front line districts that had all served in

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Speaker 1: some whether they be in the military or intelligence communities.

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Speaker 1: They're they're in those split districts where Trump won their

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Speaker 1: district and they were able to win it back, and

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Speaker 1: they're on the front lines. And I think Speaker Pelosi

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Speaker 1: was holding back on impeachment to protect them, and something,

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Speaker 1: something has happened with this damn kind of breaking where

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Speaker 1: these members are lining up and now saying kind of

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Speaker 1: going full throttle that we need to open this investigation.

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Speaker 1: No longer needing the protection of on high from the

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Speaker 1: Speaker's office. So would there be an impeachment before the

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Speaker 1: end of the year, presumably, you know, I think you

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Speaker 1: know that again, and you said this at the outside, keV.

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Speaker 1: The reporting about Jerry Nadler really wanted to and he's

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Speaker 1: been pushing the envelope very early on, and it has

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Speaker 1: become a foil of the president. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: they're looking to obviously wrap this up before you know

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Speaker 1: that then it extends into the election year and there's

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Speaker 1: ramifications there, which is another reason why, as Jack said

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Speaker 1: to AOC has been pushing so hard to keep this

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Speaker 1: under judiciary, not create this select committee which would delay

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Speaker 1: the process. Alright, great stuff. This is Bloomberg's Sound On

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh five point

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Speaker 1: seven f M h D two. I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief

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Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: on a dizzying news day by Kevin Walling, democratic strategist

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Speaker 1: at HD Creative Media, and Jack Kingston, former Georgia congressman

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Speaker 1: and Trump twenty campaign started get the Big News tonight,

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi addressing the nation within

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Speaker 1: the last hour and saying that she is formally formally

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Speaker 1: asking for impeachment proceedings. The catalyst the catalyst that call

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Speaker 1: between President Trump and Ukraine President Zelenski several months ago,

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Speaker 1: where a whistle blower filed a complaint alleging reportedly that

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Speaker 1: President Trump was asking for political dirt on Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 1: the former Vice president Joe Biden's son, on political dirt,

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Speaker 1: and we don't know anything. We know that we're getting.

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Speaker 1: The President has said via tweet this afternoon that he

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Speaker 1: is going to release the full transcript of that phone

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Speaker 1: call tomorrow. We also know that's on Thursday, the acting

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Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence will testify before the House Intelligence Committee,

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Speaker 1: and on Friday, the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is chaired

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Speaker 1: by a Republican, has asked to meet with the whistle

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Speaker 1: blower him or herself. I don't believe we know yet

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Speaker 1: the gender of the whistle bar. Uh, but we'll meet

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Speaker 1: on on Friday. Jack Kingston, you're a Republican, you're a surrogate.

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Speaker 1: I don't sense from my reporting today at the White

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Speaker 1: House and on Capitol Hill the same level of political

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Speaker 1: angst that existed in Republican circles on the day and

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Speaker 1: the night before the Mueller Report release. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think that's right, And I think why, Well, I think

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Speaker 1: the Democrats have been talking impeachment all along. I mean

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Speaker 1: since day one, as Kevin said, Al Green introduced an

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Speaker 1: impeachment UM article. And so I think that because of

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Speaker 1: all these investigations and because of the really the anti

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Speaker 1: truck partisanship that people are just saying, we kind of

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Speaker 1: knew this was happening. You know Tom Stard, who is

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Speaker 1: a you know, a million dollar, multimillion dollars billionaire, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean he had an impeachment petition and

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Speaker 1: and um, many people who are in office would not

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Speaker 1: have gotten there without his last minute one million dollar

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Speaker 1: air drop and the add So you know, I think

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Speaker 1: there's always been a critical uh number of Democrats maybe

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Speaker 1: seventy five to a hundred who believed this, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the bluest or the reddest pull the

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Speaker 1: rest of the party in a direction that's not always

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Speaker 1: in the interest of America. So so so Jack makes

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Speaker 1: an interesting point, Kevin bling democratic strategistic? Is she creative media? So?

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Speaker 1: Could this also be Speaker Pelosi trying to protect her

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Speaker 1: progressive bona fides? Yeah, Jack makes an excellent point that

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Speaker 1: Congressman makes a really good point when it comes to

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Speaker 1: um uh, the bona fides involved with the speaker. You know,

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Speaker 1: she was waiting for an overwhelming consensus. I think among

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Speaker 1: her colleagues. She you know, Jack served with her. She's

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Speaker 1: you know, an excellent counter and an excellent She was

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Speaker 1: a whit before she was speaker. So she he knows

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Speaker 1: where the boats are balmore son son or a daughter

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Speaker 1: of our former mayor in Baltimore. Um so she she

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Speaker 1: more than anything, knows where her caucus is, knows where

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Speaker 1: the winds are blowing. I think, you know, Jack started

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Speaker 1: this conversation in an interesting way in terms of seeing

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Speaker 1: where the public goes. And I'll be interested to see.

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Speaker 1: We know where the left is. We know where the

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Speaker 1: left is, we know where maybe the center of the

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Speaker 1: party is. Now you know the center left is for impeachment.

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Speaker 1: But we need to see where the American people are

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Speaker 1: in this with these relevation revelations that are coming down

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Speaker 1: this week, with the whistleblower potentially coming and the report

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Speaker 1: being made public, and that is one thing that's very

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Speaker 1: important in terms of you know the old ad no

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Speaker 1: wine can be served before it's time, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's the same with impeachment. Um, maybe there's a case

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Speaker 1: out there, but the American people aren't there yet, they're

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Speaker 1: not educated on it. And I think that the Democrat

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Speaker 1: Party is going to have to get move that needle

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Speaker 1: from thirty seven percent pro impeachment at least to forty

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Speaker 1: which were probably this thirty seven we're probably even before

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Speaker 1: he took office, ready to impeach and and and Jack

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Speaker 1: made a good point earlier too, we can't we I

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Speaker 1: think the Democrats have muddied the water a bit on impeachment,

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Speaker 1: saying in all of our eggs in the Mueller basket

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Speaker 1: and you know, Muller time shirts and all this kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff, that this was going to be the silver

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Speaker 1: bullet that he was going to expose all this, and

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Speaker 1: it really came down not to do that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to the point earlier about Al Green and these folks

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Speaker 1: that have been pushing so hard for impeachment when something

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Speaker 1: like this that shows potential corruption at the highest level,

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Speaker 1: right um, the the idea that we would hold back

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Speaker 1: for an a the taxpayer's money in return for political favors,

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Speaker 1: which is what is being accused the president is being

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Speaker 1: accused of. That is a really intense um accusation. Now

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Speaker 1: that we we've kind of muddied the waters calling for

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Speaker 1: impeachment over the last two and a half years, when

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Speaker 1: something like this comes about, that they could rise to

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Speaker 1: that lemalize and that's that's I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: difficult question to ask because obviously everybody knows the significance

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Speaker 1: the will of the people, which is a serious thing, correct,

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Speaker 1: And it's only occurred twice in American history, to presidents

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Speaker 1: I mean I think you you're we're talking around it,

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Speaker 1: which is essentially is there of risk two people interpreting

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Speaker 1: as of now, and we don't know what we don't know,

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Speaker 1: need two thirds to convict and to remove President Trump,

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Speaker 1: unless the evidence is so overwhelming it again, you know

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Speaker 1: Jack's point. I think this is why Speaker Pelosi has

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Speaker 1: been so hesitant to move on. That's not just giving

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Speaker 1: cover for her moderates in key swing districts, but also

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Speaker 1: too if if the public will isn't there, but if

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Speaker 1: it becomes something that happens that where it's all political. Ever,

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Speaker 1: every time there's a president exactly exactly, and Jack said earlier,

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Speaker 1: you know, there were efforts to in peach President George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush and efforts in peach Barack Obama that went nowhere.

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Speaker 1: If this is view through a political lens and not

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Speaker 1: a constitutional lens on that level, it's a very dangerous precedent. Jack. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was I was watching two different things. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have trouble getting the American people there,

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Speaker 1: and that's so important. But one of the brilliant things

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton did and Hillary when she said vast right

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Speaker 1: wings because I have to interrupt your Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is talking to reporters, not Inspector General has

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Speaker 1: said that this is an urgent concern. It has and

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Speaker 1: and accelerated the pace of how we go forward. It's

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Speaker 1: really a sad day for our country. Act really, I

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Speaker 1: feel very sad about it, and I hope that the

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Speaker 1: Republicans will join us as they have joined in the

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Speaker 1: of the information. I hope the Republicans will join us

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Speaker 1: in doing that tomorrow. Tomorrow it's on the floor. But

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Speaker 1: this is a sad day, but it is again focused

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Speaker 1: the difference procedurally, don't know ans complicates about Yeah, Speaker

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, addressing reporters, urging for Republicans and the House

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Speaker 1: of Representatives to call for the release of the whistleblower complaint.

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Speaker 1: The Senate had unanimously voted, the Republican controlled Senate had

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Speaker 1: unanimously voted to have that uh get that information, uh

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Speaker 1: not necessarily publicly, And they've called on the whistleblower to

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Speaker 1: to to talk with them uh Jack Kingston, former Republican

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Speaker 1: congressman from Georgia. I interviewed Congressman Blame Lucamyer earlier today.

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Speaker 1: He's a Republican, a staunch conservative, one of the top

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Speaker 1: Republicans on House Financial Services, and I asked him if

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Speaker 1: he would like to see the complaint. He said, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: he wants to see it. I'm sure there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of Republicans who want to see this complaint. They

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Speaker 1: absolutely do, and I don't think they're afraid of it.

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Speaker 1: I think then there would be two questions. Number one,

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Speaker 1: is it true as the whistle blower has described it?

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Speaker 1: And then let's just say it is. Is that impeachable?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of Republicans are

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, this is a town full of lawyers.

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Speaker 1: They'll be some would say it is, some wnna say

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Speaker 1: it won't. And I think a lot of Republicans are

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Speaker 1: probably gonna go home to their party. One of the

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Speaker 1: things I wanted to mention earlier is that Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: made this made his impeachment about politics. The day that

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Speaker 1: the articles passed in the House. For different articles, he

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Speaker 1: had a rally at the White House with the Democrat

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Speaker 1: Party and it was a raw, raw kind of event,

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Speaker 1: and many people were horrified. But it was actually brilliant

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Speaker 1: stress with the saxophone in the campaign. But wasn't there

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Speaker 1: some type of when he wandered something? He played the

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Speaker 1: saxophone during the campaign and it was the White House

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Speaker 1: he was celebrating. He may have, But what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is he said, listen, this is just polity. And it

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Speaker 1: was a really good CounterPunch because it was hard to

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Speaker 1: confess people it wasn't politics because he said, you know, really,

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Speaker 1: sex in the White House, that's not impeatable. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: the in the polls. Interestingly enough, today, Uh, Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: H And was she actually had a conversation with the

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Speaker 1: President today this morning on gun on gun violence, prevention,

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Speaker 1: on gun control. Uh. And I think one of the

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Speaker 1: lessons from the Bill Clinton impeachment year and a half

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Speaker 1: was that he went back to work. He found purpose

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Speaker 1: and salace in in doing the people's work because he

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Speaker 1: saw it. And I think that that's when they did

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Speaker 1: welfare reform with Speaker gangat or or Um. Uh And

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Speaker 1: the Republican Caucus. So the president would be smart if

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Speaker 1: if he does, is right to take on these hot

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Speaker 1: button issues in the show legislative maneuvering and make sure

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Speaker 1: the economy is good exactly all right. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank to UH two political all stars, Kevin Walling, democratic

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Speaker 1: strategist and h G Creative Media and Jack Kingston, the

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Speaker 1: former Georgia congressman in Trump twenty campaign. Start again. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kevin Crelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: We've had a breaking news night. A speaker, Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: said that the House is opening a formal impeachment inquiry

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Speaker 1: President Trump, saying he's violated his oath of office and

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Speaker 1: obligations under the Constitution. Tomorrow we get the release of

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Speaker 1: the transcript. President Trump has said he will release the

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Speaker 1: transcript with regards to that phone call he had with

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Speaker 1: Ukraine President Zelinski. And on Friday we are could hear

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Speaker 1: from the whistleblower. And on Thursday, we're gonna hear from

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Speaker 1: the acting UH Director of National Intelligence. A dizzying day

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Speaker 1: of news. Happy to have you listening to us as

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Speaker 1: we sort through it all. That does it for me,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cirilli, Chief Washington correspondent, fro Bloomberg TV and Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: And this is Bloomberg