Speaker 1: The volume. The Lakers just sold for a ten billion
Speaker 1: dollar evaluation, which I've believed for a long time. Nick,
Speaker 1: all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars, My take is
Speaker 1: if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
Speaker 1: they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
Speaker 1: if Google is going to be around in twenty years
Speaker 1: or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
Speaker 1: a story years and years ago they went back to
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
Speaker 1: in the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
Speaker 1: one was still like a really it was like Chevron
Speaker 1: or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
Speaker 1: group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
Speaker 1: And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
Speaker 1: pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
Speaker 1: in LA is that I mean family? The Dan Gilbert
Speaker 1: could buy the Bus family four times. They've been one
Speaker 1: of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2: Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
Speaker 2: and I would argue that they haven't. They have been
Speaker 2: one of the more poorly run organizations in the league.
Speaker 2: And I know that's weird because they have the second
Speaker 2: most championships and they just got Luca and Lebron went there.
Speaker 2: But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 2: I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
Speaker 2: are very few things you can say the Lakers do
Speaker 2: top notch in the league. And while they have been,
Speaker 2: you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
Speaker 2: last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
Speaker 2: should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
Speaker 2: not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
Speaker 2: not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
Speaker 2: new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
Speaker 2: hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Lakers for their fans. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: you should not have They're in a weird spot where
Speaker 2: similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
Speaker 2: is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
Speaker 2: think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should.
Speaker 2: And that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
Speaker 2: I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
Speaker 2: he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
Speaker 2: think and Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
Speaker 2: that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity.
Speaker 3: And now he's in. Now I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
Speaker 2: are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
Speaker 2: kind of like, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So think about this. Yeah, the Celtics sold for six billion.
Speaker 1: The GDP of Boston, the gross domestic product is six
Speaker 1: hundred million annually. It's a trillion. In Los Angeles. The
Speaker 1: Los Angeles economy would be the twentieth biggest economy in
Speaker 1: the world, meaning it would be bigger than about one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five countries.
Speaker 2: So and they own the the Lakers own their arena,
Speaker 2: so that's an importance. So like you just if the
Speaker 2: arena's worth two billion, given where it is in the
Speaker 2: real estate and whatever. So now it's not six versus ten,
Speaker 2: it's six versus eight. And you take the fact that
Speaker 2: LA's a bigger market. And you know, as much as
Speaker 2: this will pain our buddy Bill Simmons, the Lakers are
Speaker 2: the biggest brand in basketball.
Speaker 1: Like this, The Celtics were in the finals two years ago.
Speaker 1: It didn't get a good rating. Oh, it didn't get
Speaker 1: a number, right, I mean when the Lakers are in
Speaker 1: the final, regardless of who the star is, it generally
Speaker 1: gets a much bigger rating.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's also true the Lakers have never been in
Speaker 2: the finals without one of the biggest stars in the league.
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of like Lakers time they made
Speaker 2: the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No, it's Lebron
Speaker 2: or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
Speaker 3: But still your point stands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they are the the This is a fun
Speaker 2: one because you did your mount what was it, Mount
Speaker 2: crush More, Mount just just more because they're just more
Speaker 2: than everyone else. If we were to do God, this
Speaker 2: is this is corny and make funnable content it also,
Speaker 2: I'm sure will crush On TikTok or something, if we
Speaker 2: were to do the Mount Rushmore franchises in American sports.
Speaker 2: Four four to me, there are three no brainers. And
Speaker 2: then people would argue about the four fourth, but the
Speaker 2: three no brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 2: and the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you
Speaker 2: think I'm missing anything there? I think those are the
Speaker 2: three brands that are truly every.
Speaker 1: Corner of the world.
Speaker 2: They're you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt
Speaker 2: even if they've never heard.
Speaker 3: Of the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I will say this. I think the
Speaker 1: LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group, perfect spring, summer, fall, weather,
Speaker 1: O tawny. Now is you know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday Dodger
Speaker 1: games are now an event. There are fans from the
Speaker 1: Pacific Rim. Every home game road attendance for the Dodgers
Speaker 1: is number one in the league. They played the Yankees,
Speaker 1: I think it was last year it felt like twenty
Speaker 1: five percent of the crowd was Dodger fans. They travel
Speaker 1: incredibly well. I think the Dodgers over the last eight
Speaker 1: since they have been purchased from the Mark Walters Group,
Speaker 1: I think they have become and I'm and I mean this,
Speaker 1: I think they're a step ahead of the Yankees. They
Speaker 1: don't have all the pennants, they don't have all the titles.
Speaker 1: But this ownership group is much more It's got deeper pockets.
Speaker 1: It's more aggressive. I mean the way they are pushing
Speaker 1: contracts down the road. They're not a.
Speaker 2: Bigger brand than the New York Yankees. I think they're
Speaker 2: getting close. I think Otawi changes it.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
Speaker 2: whole similar to I.
Speaker 3: Understand one's Japanese and one.
Speaker 1: I think he brings in the Pacific Rim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what Yao Ming did for the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2: We're all of a sudden, it's like you have this
Speaker 2: whole new market.
Speaker 3: But if so, the.
Speaker 2: Because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there. If
Speaker 2: it's Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, is the three the teams across
Speaker 2: sports competing for that fourth spot. Dodgers definitely are in
Speaker 2: the contention. The Celtics are the Warriors? No, probably not,
Speaker 2: because that's good. The Warriors are like the Chiefs in
Speaker 2: that it's the super nova of the moment in Mahomes
Speaker 2: or Steph Curry. But they don't have a history to
Speaker 2: where they're this big brand. So do you think you
Speaker 2: think the Dodgers now have surpassed the Cubs as the
Speaker 2: second biggest brand in baseball.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, because again, remember Chicago wanted the Olympics. Why
Speaker 1: couldn't they get them because they were not considered a
Speaker 1: global city. They were considered uh maybe are They're like,
Speaker 1: Chicago has won Best North American City seven years in
Speaker 1: a row from Conde Architecture. It's an unbelievable city, but
Speaker 1: it's not viewed as an international city.
Speaker 2: D C.
Speaker 1: San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily
Speaker 1: seen It's seen as kind of parential, of course, provincial parochial.
Speaker 1: So I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
Speaker 1: which by the way, they live about five minutes from
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
Speaker 1: six thousand, their revenues just don't They're not close. They're
Speaker 1: just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
Speaker 1: are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they pull.
Speaker 2: That might be real nice, and it also might be
Speaker 2: a lot of the benefit of the Cubs when or
Speaker 2: benefits their own word. But brand recognition, for lack of
Speaker 2: better term of the Cubs had to do with if
Speaker 2: you're a millennial when you were growing up with like
Speaker 2: basic cable for some reason, you got the Cubs games
Speaker 2: because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
Speaker 2: and the Cubs and so they they had that and
Speaker 2: now people can watch whatever teams they want.
Speaker 3: I just saw the who.
Speaker 2: Do you sorry for this slight detour, but after the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: what do you think the biggest brand in football is?
Speaker 2: Like I I hesitate that in the moment, it's obviously
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired, like
Speaker 2: then the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Interesting you if you bought the Chiefs today, we would
Speaker 1: have to consider Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of
Speaker 1: the buyde yes. So this idea, well, the brand, what
Speaker 1: is the brand right now? Jerry Jones is eighty They're dysfunctional,
Speaker 1: their roster's bad. There's value to it. But Kansas City's
Speaker 1: got the best quarterback in the league for the next
Speaker 1: ten years. So I mean that when Lebron James went
Speaker 1: from the Miami Heat back to Dan Gilbert in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody in that equity space. He said
Speaker 1: that was a four four, one hundred million dollar day
Speaker 1: for Dan Gilbert. Now the Cavs without Lebron, even with
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron changed that. It was
Speaker 1: a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally, Ken Griffy saved
Speaker 1: baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy. Taylor Swift's tour,
Speaker 1: an example, made two point one billion dollars, sold ten
Speaker 1: million tickets. That is double the next biggest tour ever.
Speaker 1: So it's only big because of one reason, the artist.
Speaker 1: So if you count, I mean, let's be honest, if
Speaker 1: you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and Ronaldo
Speaker 1: had an eight year contract, it would make it worth
Speaker 1: half a billion dollars more So, I think the Chiefs
Speaker 1: with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half a
Speaker 1: somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars. They
Speaker 1: go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Well, so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2: The other piece of this is if the if the
Speaker 2: most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
Speaker 2: billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the
Speaker 2: NFL worth is it fifteen billion? Like? Honestly, like, what
Speaker 2: is if this is the new Because you can't tell
Speaker 2: like as much as as big of a brand as
Speaker 2: Lakers are.
Speaker 3: And I understand the NBA's new TV deal.
Speaker 2: I get all that, there is nothing that is the
Speaker 2: machine that is the NFL. So if the Lake, if
Speaker 2: we now have Lakers ten billion, Celtic six billion, you
Speaker 2: know as the metrics, then the if forget the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of a good, you know, a good.
Speaker 2: If the San Francisco forty nine ers were for sale,
Speaker 2: are they a ten billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you one that is undervalued.
Speaker 1: One Cronky owns Sofi Stadium.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the owning the stadium is a big thing.
Speaker 1: So if you bought the Rams, you get the state.
Speaker 1: I get Sofi Stadium, which can house a hundred concerts
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, and the Chargers and the Rams. So
Speaker 1: you have to consider that when you buy the Rams.
Speaker 1: So I would say, in the number two market in
Speaker 1: the country, I get Sean McVeigh, I get a well
Speaker 1: run operation, I get Sofi. I'm sorry, but that's over
Speaker 1: ten billion dollars. I mean it just has to be.
Speaker 2: If they now that the Lakers are worth ten the
Speaker 2: biggest NFL brands have to be worth more.
Speaker 1: Somebody once in the last year asked Baker Mayfield about
Speaker 1: me and blah blah blah, and he said, well, we're frenemies,
Speaker 1: and I think Baker knows I like him and respect him,
Speaker 1: and he's always been nice to me. He said nice
Speaker 1: things publicly. You had to take the other day that
Speaker 1: he's Actually he was over discussed when he was in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: He's now under discussed. And it's funny because I think
Speaker 1: Baker's better than Dak. He's better than Tua. He's better
Speaker 1: than Gino, He's better than Aaron, he's better than Russell,
Speaker 1: he's better than Cousins. I think he and Darnold are
Speaker 1: very similar that they can be mistake prone, but they
Speaker 1: can plan it and they're real players.
Speaker 3: Forty touchdowns last year. Yeah No, he's been really good
Speaker 3: going there.
Speaker 1: Yeah No. Baker is a prime example. You see this
Speaker 1: a lot in the NBA where a guy comes in
Speaker 1: and you just needs the mature Aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally,
Speaker 1: maturity's not the issue. It's you either have it or
Speaker 1: you don't. Baker was the rare lot of testosterone, a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence, and I felt like, can somebody turn
Speaker 1: the Governor down just a little. He was Johnny Manziel,
Speaker 1: but more likable and with actual talent. He could really
Speaker 1: throw football. But I think Baker is the rare NFL
Speaker 1: player in quarterback. You're like one of the talents. Inarguable,
Speaker 1: he's just got to turn the Governor down. Cleveland was
Speaker 1: not built for Baker. You go to a great GM,
Speaker 1: a talented roster in Tampa, which is by the way,
Speaker 1: below the radar. It's in the NFC South, which is
Speaker 1: a low profile division. Baker now is absolutely underdiscussed. He
Speaker 1: is a really good NFL quarterback. I don't think that's disputable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten
Speaker 2: and not include him. And but then when you add
Speaker 2: to the fact that he makes around sixty percent of
Speaker 2: what the other guys in that top ten make, his
Speaker 2: value is massive. He for a guy who dealt with
Speaker 2: injuries during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his teammates love him, and he now has back to
Speaker 2: back years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win
Speaker 2: the division again forty touchdowns last year. I And so yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that there was because he was talked about
Speaker 2: so much when he wasn't yet that good, right, I
Speaker 2: think people got I don't know.
Speaker 3: If numbs the right word. They were just kind of
Speaker 3: got over him.
Speaker 2: And now that he is, I think really good people
Speaker 2: are just like, okay, yeah, that's Baker, Like he's a
Speaker 2: people I think boxed him in.
Speaker 3: He's a good.
Speaker 2: Story and that is true, but he's more than that
Speaker 2: at this point. At this point, like, do I this
Speaker 2: is you know, a third rail for some Do I
Speaker 2: think he's better than Brock Birdie?
Speaker 3: I do? So what would I rather have?
Speaker 2: Like? And so you said, Dak Prescott, I think that's close.
Speaker 2: I think that there is There are a lot of
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that like I'll give you a great example. Now,
Speaker 2: this guy's young and we'll see, but he makes a
Speaker 2: lot of money. I think he's pretty clearly better than
Speaker 2: Jordan Love. And I think that Jordan Love is discussed.
Speaker 3: Like he is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. So I was really not anti
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, but but I said, for two years, there
Speaker 1: is more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding
Speaker 1: him for a reason. Then he came out and he
Speaker 1: was kind of sensational, and I really bought into him.
Speaker 1: And then It's as if the league defensive coordinators got
Speaker 1: all this footage and they found holes and at the
Speaker 1: end of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught
Speaker 1: on to him. This is now. It would be a
Speaker 1: sophomore slump for anybody else, but he was like in
Speaker 1: his fourth year. Yeah, and so I want to see him.
Speaker 1: So now it's like an NBA playoff series, like you
Speaker 1: get worked, then you change things and that there's stages
Speaker 1: and coaching, you know, adaptations.
Speaker 3: To a playoffs adjustment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan shock the league. Now
Speaker 1: I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want
Speaker 1: to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why
Speaker 1: they drafted to me a a receiver in the first round,
Speaker 1: because they're like, listen, we he may need a little
Speaker 1: more help than we think here. But I so, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell
Speaker 1: of a whip and he's a really good athlete. But
Speaker 1: he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 3: Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I know who's good.
Speaker 1: I know who's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Jordan Love is the last.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what he is in the league.
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Speaker 2: Have the Chiefs become America's team.
Speaker 3: Or will that always be?
Speaker 1: In Cowboys? No?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: In fact, the Cowboys were tied for third in total audience,
Speaker 1: and that's because Fox puts them on games they probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. But because the biggest draws right now are
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens and the
Speaker 1: Niners are also big in the Packers. But I think
Speaker 1: after this year when Dallas wins five to six games
Speaker 1: because I think they have the worst probably head coach
Speaker 1: in the league, arguably good Court. I think he was
Speaker 1: an average coordinator. I think he's more I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean certainly the most unproven and the oddest
Speaker 2: higher yeaheah.
Speaker 1: So my take is Dallas will be the fourth most
Speaker 1: watch team in the league after this year. Now, Fox
Speaker 1: may because of Fox promotion and marketing ability and production values,
Speaker 1: we may be able to prop up the Cowboys juice it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Fox just does it. Fox gives you, like
Speaker 1: if you give Fox baseball, it just is better than
Speaker 1: other networks doing baseball. Fox is really good at Eric
Speaker 1: Shanks lived in a truck. That's how your CEO. Everybody
Speaker 1: has a specialty. Bodenheimer was sales when I was at ESPN.
Speaker 1: ESPN could monetize anything, anything shit screw up in a truck.
Speaker 1: So our production values are sensational. They always have been.
Speaker 1: I mean I said this a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: The five to six hour live Super Bowls from opening
Speaker 1: moment the pregame show starts to the end, they're majestic.
Speaker 1: They're like as good as American television gets for us
Speaker 1: live five hours. So so I think Fox may prop
Speaker 1: the Cowboys up, but if you put them on another network,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. They wouldn't resonate as much. But they're not
Speaker 1: They're not a fun team. Dak is a boring player,
Speaker 1: a second lower body body injury. He's not hyper athletic,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a big arm. They have a couple
Speaker 1: of interesting receivers. They're not fun to watch. Philadelphia is
Speaker 1: fun to watch, Detroit's fun to watch, Buffalo, Kansas City. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's some teams in this league that I I mean,
Speaker 1: like when the receivers are healthy. Houston's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: When the receivers are healthy, Cincinnati's fun to watch. But no,
Speaker 1: I think I think Kansas City is actually America's team. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. And I would say yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say Buffalo to me feels like number two.
Speaker 3: Oh listen.
Speaker 2: I think Buffalo is probably the team people the team
Speaker 2: neutral fans root for the most, because I think people
Speaker 2: they look at Buffalo not as an underdog, but like man,
Speaker 2: they gotta get over at some point. And Josh Allen
Speaker 2: is so likable, and the Chiefs have kind of become
Speaker 2: like villains, you know, to a degree.
Speaker 3: All that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think I think the team that
Speaker 2: is the biggest draw on, the most interesting is the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: And that the reason I even asked it is it
Speaker 2: just speaks to the power of the NFL that the
Speaker 2: most popular or most interesting team in the biggest league
Speaker 2: in the country can be from Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like that, it isn't it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Happen about peace. Think about this. Here's the sixth biggest
Speaker 1: brands in the NFL, arguably now Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Speaker 1: Green Bay.
Speaker 2: The Celtics approach of being like we are going to
Speaker 2: play the fourth quarter of a playoff game the exact
Speaker 2: style we would play the first quarter of a February
Speaker 2: game is just that's not staying true to who you are.
Speaker 2: That's being ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That would be.
Speaker 2: As if the Chiefs at their heyday of the when
Speaker 2: Tyreek was there and everything, when they were just high
Speaker 2: flying and didn't.
Speaker 3: Have a good defense, if they when.
Speaker 2: They were up ten in the fourth quarter of a
Speaker 2: playoff game, they're like, bombs away, this is what we do.
Speaker 2: That's not smart. That's not staying true to who you are.
Speaker 1: That's why when the Miami Dolphins have Jalen Waddle and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill. That works in September and October. But as
Speaker 1: the weather gets windy and coal and the all the
Speaker 1: best AFC teams plan lousy weather. What you really need
Speaker 1: to do, and this is a little bit of a
Speaker 1: flaw with Mike McDaniels, is what you really need to
Speaker 1: do is start to change your offense about Thanksgiving because
Speaker 1: you're going to have to go to Baltimore, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Buffalo.
Speaker 1: And so what happens is this is what we do.
Speaker 1: We throw it downfield. Will you have a small, modest
Speaker 1: armed quarterback and you're still trying and then you try
Speaker 1: to pivot to know it's too late. And so it
Speaker 1: was always funny watching the Dolphins and I'm like, guys,
Speaker 1: you're falling in love with September and October football. This
Speaker 1: stuff works. Then the NFL think about this, name the
Speaker 1: last Dome dynasty in the NFL. Name the last warm
Speaker 1: weather dynasty. They don't exist. Marino never want to ring
Speaker 1: right because eventually you become a very warm weather offense.
Speaker 1: The Chargers with Dan Fouts were electric.
Speaker 2: So that this is a sneaky important thing, and this
Speaker 2: is just random luck of the moment as far as
Speaker 2: who's good, because you're exactly right that the AFC, all
Speaker 2: the excellent teams are outdoor, shitty weather, so like, and
Speaker 2: I think that oddly likely works against the Houston Texans
Speaker 2: ability to compete for championships in that they're not going
Speaker 2: unless they get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. They're
Speaker 2: just not going to be conditioned playing in the AFC
Speaker 2: South and playing in a dome. The NFC is the opposite,
Speaker 2: and it is such a unique potential edge Philadelphia has.
Speaker 3: So if you're the Eagles, yep.
Speaker 2: And for the time being now, maybe Washington will get great.
Speaker 2: They were really good last year, and maybe the Giants
Speaker 2: will get great, Maybe the Bears will get great, maybe
Speaker 2: the Packers will get great. So this all can change.
Speaker 2: But for the time being, for the Eagles, last few years,
Speaker 2: they rams Detroit, San Francisco, Dallas, whoever wins the South, Tampa.
Speaker 2: So they are in a spot where if we can
Speaker 2: get home field, whoever's coming here ain't built for this shit, right,
Speaker 2: So like in the AFC, home field matters a little
Speaker 2: less for the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Cincinnati because it's like
Speaker 2: all right, no matter what, this is gonna be a
Speaker 2: pain in the ass, tough, like we're all we're all
Speaker 2: built our teams knowing that the NFC, it's just how
Speaker 2: it turned where the Lions are in a dome and
Speaker 2: the Rams have so that can change, but for the
Speaker 2: time being, it makes it to wear for Philadelphia's specific
Speaker 2: thickly home field advantage is wildly valuable, wildly valuable.
Speaker 1: So I want to throw something out here. It's I
Speaker 1: want to go back to the NBA and and Draymond
Speaker 1: Green obviously part of the volume, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: certainly an argument he's I think he's the best defensive
Speaker 1: player ever. I mean his ability to take Shangoon out
Speaker 1: of games to give I mean give to give Yannis
Speaker 1: massive problems. Now to give you the greatness of Jokich.
Speaker 1: He just waves the white flag on Jokich, just like
Speaker 1: I can't do anything either could Anthony Davis. By the way,
Speaker 1: Anthony would hold him to twenty eight and Anthony was like,
Speaker 1: I played really good and he did, so I mean
Speaker 1: jokicch's I mean, Draymond gives Yannis issues. He gives everybody issues.
Speaker 1: But one of the brilliant things about Draymond, and I
Speaker 1: think it's purposeful and intentional. He moves the line so
Speaker 1: it's almost like, if you're a parent, you don't want
Speaker 1: to yell at your kids all the time. So the
Speaker 1: the kid that's a little inappropriate is constantly consciously or
Speaker 1: subconsciously testing his parents what he can get away with,
Speaker 1: and at some time, at some point, you as a
Speaker 1: parent will be harder on the good natured, to well
Speaker 1: behave kid, of course, who infrequently makes a mistake, then
Speaker 1: the kid that's always in trouble. When I watched Draymond play,
Speaker 1: Mike Green, Breen pointed this out. Draymond has moved a
Speaker 1: line that he did something the other night where people
Speaker 1: on the air were defending him, and I'm like, nobody
Speaker 1: would get away saying I've said this for a long time,
Speaker 1: So listen, Draymond.
Speaker 2: And I have a very relationship complicated the right word.
Speaker 2: But it's complicated because I am very tight with a
Speaker 2: number of people who love Draymond Green, who swear by
Speaker 2: Draymond Green who and Draymond does not, you know, have
Speaker 2: an affinity for me, and I have been critical of
Speaker 2: him in the past, but everyone people whose opinion I
Speaker 2: really trust and value say off the court, one of
Speaker 2: the best dudes ever, So it's a weird dynamic there. Simultaneously,
Speaker 2: I have said that I thought he should have won
Speaker 2: three straight Defensive Player of the Year awards back when
Speaker 2: Kawhi won two of them, and I do think he
Speaker 2: is one of the most brilliant defensive players of all time.
Speaker 2: And I'm on the record that I thought he, not Clay,
Speaker 2: was the second most important person of the pre KD Warriors.
Speaker 1: So all that's there.
Speaker 2: Here is the other piece of it. There is no
Speaker 2: player in NBA history who is given more leeway than
Speaker 2: and this is an important qualifier Draymond Green after getting
Speaker 2: one technical. Sometimes I think the Warriors are their most
Speaker 2: dangerous if Draymond gets a technical early. And I know
Speaker 2: Draymond is his most devastating defensively when he has five fouls,
Speaker 2: because if Draymond gets to five fouls, he does not
Speaker 2: file out at six, he fouls out at nine, he
Speaker 2: gets three more off damn it, like we're gonna let
Speaker 2: it go. And Draymond with one technical can follow the
Speaker 2: ref up and down the court doing anything, and a
Speaker 2: ref doesn't want to throw him out, and so there
Speaker 2: is no question that the guys the NBA refs do
Speaker 2: a I think one of the things they need to
Speaker 2: do better about is guys who never complain get a
Speaker 2: quick trigger on text the one time they do, and
Speaker 2: guys who always whine and yell and complain. The refs
Speaker 2: seem to turn a deaf ear to with the it. Oddly,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really feel like it applies to Luca, because
Speaker 2: I think Luca actually really irritates the refs because here's
Speaker 2: the difference between Luca and Draymond. Draymond is complaining or
Speaker 2: yelling about calls that go against him. Luca is yelling
Speaker 2: about calls he does not get. And for some reason,
Speaker 2: I think refs are way more bothered by what Luca
Speaker 2: does than what Draymond does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luca is saying you missed it. Draymond is arguing
Speaker 1: I didn't the effort, but.
Speaker 3: Right exactly Draymond. Draymond is saying I'm innocent.
Speaker 2: Luca is saying you're guilty, And so the refs seem
Speaker 2: to hate Luca, and with Draymond, they're like, ah, Draymond's
Speaker 2: being Draymond. But there's also it's not just it's not
Speaker 2: just on text. I'm gonna tell like, people can look
Speaker 2: up the game log and they will see it. It's
Speaker 2: a really so Draymond right now has two flagrant foul
Speaker 2: points or and you're suspended that happened him in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: You get one for a flagrant one, you get two
Speaker 2: for a flagrant two. In Warriors Rockets game seven, early on,
Speaker 2: Draymond got fouled and then swiped his hand and hit
Speaker 2: I think it was Fred, it was definitely it was
Speaker 2: Fred van Vliet, and the refs went and reviewed it
Speaker 2: and they said foul on Fred van Vliet and then
Speaker 2: dead technical on Draymond for hitting him in the face,
Speaker 2: with the justification being it can't be a flagrant because
Speaker 2: the play was over technically over by a quarter of
Speaker 2: a second, so it's a technical. The very next game
Speaker 2: played in the NBA, Jokich got fouled by lou Dort
Speaker 2: and Jokic hit him in the head, and the refs
Speaker 2: went and reviewed it and they said foul on lou Dort,
Speaker 2: flagrant on Joker, And I'm like, that is the exact
Speaker 2: thing that Draymond literally the exact thing, and it was
Speaker 2: a different rule interpretation, and that was I know it
Speaker 2: In my bones because the refs were aware, Oh shit,
Speaker 2: Draymond is a If we give him this flagrant, then
Speaker 2: on his next flagrant, which he is guaranteed to get
Speaker 2: at some point, he'll be suspended for a game. So
Speaker 2: let's just give him a technical and so listen, if
Speaker 2: you can get away with it, it's smart. He can
Speaker 2: get away with it. And when Draymond there was just
Speaker 2: a I should have pulled it. There was an amazing
Speaker 2: graphic today, one of those little dot charts where it
Speaker 2: was players since the two minute report has existed, players
Speaker 2: who have benefited the most, and it was like Mahomes
Speaker 2: one of the NFL quarterback charts, like where there's like
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of dots here on this line and
Speaker 2: then right here's Mahomes through five years or whatever where
Speaker 2: he breaks the chart. It was Draymond that not a
Speaker 2: by three standard deviations. No player has had more calls
Speaker 2: where the two minute report says, yeah, that should have
Speaker 2: been a foul on them and we missed.
Speaker 3: It than Draymon.
Speaker 2: He so he he has ye mind melded the refs
Speaker 2: into I'm your great defender, I probably didn't fall him
Speaker 2: and gets away with all of it.
Speaker 3: And it's and I give him credit because it's the only.
Speaker 2: Way to the only way a guy with his shooting ability,
Speaker 2: his height, his limited athleticism could become a first ballot
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer is playing this way.
Speaker 3: And he did it. He's done it.
Speaker 1: Finally, you gotta bless Dallas Cowboy fans heart. They're so
Speaker 1: excited for George Pickens. And I was saying this today
Speaker 1: when Kyle Shanahan said, I can't make Trey Lance work.
Speaker 1: I made Matt shab a pro bowler, Brock Prudy, I
Speaker 1: got into a Super Bowl, Garoppolo, I got to a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.
Speaker 1: When Warren Buffett says, be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful
Speaker 1: with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver, listen,
Speaker 1: I can't make it work, Chase Claypool, ab Martevius Bryan,
Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on GANA Johnson. If Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 1: who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with
Speaker 1: immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.
Speaker 1: But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.
Speaker 1: He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry
Speaker 1: Jerry is saving, that he's giving him job that's not available.
Speaker 1: McCarthy couldn't get interviews parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need
Speaker 1: him that war. Jimmy out Dak Prescott fourth round. He
Speaker 1: loves hey, Tony Romo undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the first round. They don't need. So when he goes
Speaker 1: and gets George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin,
Speaker 1: I'm out. Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work.
Speaker 1: I think this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where
Speaker 1: he would hunt for gems, and I think that is
Speaker 1: literally his mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and players,
Speaker 1: is that he feels like Pickens, he's he's the rest
Speaker 1: of the league is out. I am in, and I
Speaker 1: don't think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are where the Cowboys are currently in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I think that George Pickens is one of the more
Speaker 2: overrated players in the whole league. And the reason I
Speaker 2: feel that way is because I think certain football fans
Speaker 2: this is one of my this is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite and kind of relatively newest to which is talent
Speaker 2: has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Obviously you need a requisite level of talent. That goes
Speaker 2: without saying, however, this idea that talent is some cure
Speaker 2: all when this guy has been a pain in the
Speaker 2: ass every step.
Speaker 3: Of his football life. It is why he fell on
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 2: It is why you were hearing rumors about him being
Speaker 2: available during his second year. During his third year, he
Speaker 2: was traded here. It is the he It's you know,
Speaker 2: when you are potentially trying to get a contract in
Speaker 2: the offseason and your team is in the middle of
Speaker 2: a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas
Speaker 2: Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.
Speaker 2: You show up three hours before your TV show Colin
Speaker 2: you have two hundred and twenty of them a year,
Speaker 2: he's got seventeen football games, and he is like, you're
Speaker 2: just not a serious person and you're not going to
Speaker 2: contribute to winning the way your talent says you should,
Speaker 2: And so there's that. There is also the fact that
Speaker 2: trading a third round pick for a player with one
Speaker 2: year left on his contract means you probably should give
Speaker 2: him a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: than trading a third round pick for one year of
Speaker 2: George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is
Speaker 2: giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put
Speaker 2: themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we
Speaker 2: pay this guy early when he has never He's never
Speaker 2: been the top ten in the NFL anything. He's like,
Speaker 2: his career numbers are pedestrian. He's never out paced his production,
Speaker 2: has never outpaced his targets, and he is he quits
Speaker 2: and is a million gets unnecessary, a million problems there,
Speaker 2: So you can't pay him.
Speaker 3: But the other thing you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Do is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid
Speaker 2: round picks for rentals. And so I two years ago
Speaker 2: Colin the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But
Speaker 2: two years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops
Speaker 2: everywhere and the receivers couldn't do anything, Pickens was available then,
Speaker 2: and Wilds and Bru couldn't believe me.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want him.
Speaker 2: I was like, the Chiefs already are on thin ice
Speaker 2: with Kadarius Tony, like they you know, and they got
Speaker 2: They got the Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony. They gave
Speaker 2: up a fifth round pick. He had three years left
Speaker 2: on his deal and that's still listen. He had the
Speaker 2: amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but he's still
Speaker 2: ultimately can't get right. Guys can't get right, and so
Speaker 2: I'm not a Pickens guy. I also think he's a
Speaker 2: somewhat overrated player. And I also think, for if Mike
Speaker 2: Tomlin had a hard time keeping him inside the lines,
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as a head coach,
Speaker 2: how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is gonna be about
Speaker 2: Mike's podcast and whatever the hell George Pickens did?
Speaker 3: A lot of it is the answer to that,