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Speaker 1: them that jo not to think what I'm thinking about. Hello,

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Speaker 1: this is Alan Ship, not a Backer Fire Drill Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Delighted to have two thousand and six US Open Championjeff

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Speaker 1: action packed day at the Masters. The leaderboard is stacked,

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Speaker 1: most of the world's best players showed up. Of the

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Speaker 1: course played soft that scores were low. There was a

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Speaker 1: we get out of the way. Michael, you've been a

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Speaker 1: caddy on various pro tours. Jeff, we know your credentials.

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Speaker 1: So there was this little incident in the fifteenth hole

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Speaker 1: and it was reviewed by the Master's committee. They were exonerated,

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Speaker 1: Because it's always been a thing on tour right where

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Jeff, I actually haven't seen the incident.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't come in on that incident.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the skill of playing golf is kind

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Speaker 1: I didn't see the incident. So if he's blatant, if ricky'splacently,

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Speaker 1: But no one ever is telling people what club they're hitting.

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Speaker 1: lot he's thought obligated to and he may not even

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Speaker 1: be capable of. But there's a lot of reasons to

426
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Speaker 1: think that this actually could be his week. And then

427
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Speaker 1: the ramifications of that for golf are huge, and then

428
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 1: it sort of gets you know, then you really then

429
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Speaker 1: that really tests what fred Ridley said the other day.

430
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Speaker 1: It's like, can there be a thawing golf? Can there

431
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Speaker 1: be a thowing between the Live Tour and the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 1: And given some of the retoric that we refer from

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Speaker 1: Tiger and Rory early on, which would seem like, no,

434
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Speaker 1: there can't be. But that's not really a very No

435
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: is not a really in life in general. No, it's

436
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: not really a very sustainable answer when you're talking about

437
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Speaker 1: complex relationships. And maybe that can actually be It's weird

438
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: for me to say it, but maybe it can be

439
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: a good thing. If if a lived player, particularly this

440
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Speaker 1: particular lived player, wins this thing, well, it's It's has

441
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Speaker 1: been an open question what does a win on the

442
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Speaker 1: live to or mean in the grand scheme of things.

443
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: No one's been able to really define that. But Brooks

444
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: haven't won two of the last six events over there.

445
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: If he takes this green jacket, all of a sudden,

446
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Speaker 1: those winds become elevated and they have more value. It's like, okay,

447
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: well this was this, those were the building blocks, and

448
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: you can stay competitively sharp and beating guys or there

449
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: does have meaning. So yeah, there's a lot at stake.

450
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Speaker 1: It's all this is a talking point Eler in the week.

451
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Speaker 1: Was all theoretical, but now it's here. Brooks looks like

452
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be tough to beat, so that's obviously something

453
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Speaker 1: that we're all going to focus on. Let's go back

454
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Speaker 1: to Rory, because you know, there was He've been playing

455
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Speaker 1: great for so long, career best second place last year

456
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Speaker 1: at the Masters. You know, walked out of here with

457
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Speaker 1: his head held high, feeling great about his chances. And

458
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: you know he came out today and he just looked

459
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Speaker 1: flat and he didn't he didn't look he just didn't

460
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Speaker 1: look sharp, he didn't look focused. He was missing left,

461
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Speaker 1: which is always a red flag with Roor. And you

462
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Speaker 1: know he double bogie's the seventh hole, which, uh, it's

463
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Speaker 1: not it's not the easiest hole, Augusta. It's it's probably

464
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Speaker 1: an easy bogie, but I mean that's tough to take

465
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Speaker 1: a six there. He fights all the way back, he

466
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: gets it back into two red numbers, and then then

467
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Speaker 1: he bogie seventeen and he's he's in thirty seventh place.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, the course was very gettable today. And to

469
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Speaker 1: your point, Jeff, if seven or eight under is going

470
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Speaker 1: to win this thing, um, he gave up a lot

471
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Speaker 1: of ground today. I don't he didn't quite lose it,

472
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Speaker 1: but he put himself in a really disadvantaged position. So

473
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Speaker 1: it's just that the annual Rory drama. What what did

474
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Speaker 1: you see, Jeff? If anything that makes you encourage you

475
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Speaker 1: can find it, or what's your analysis of where it

476
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Speaker 1: went sideways? Like let's just let's just talk about Rory

477
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Speaker 1: for a little while. Well, firstly, um, the scores are

478
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Speaker 1: really good, but there's nothing easy about breaking pirate the

479
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Speaker 1: Masters ever. Um, so I don't think it went sadways.

480
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people went low. I don't

481
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: think it went sideways. I mean, he's beaten his first

482
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Speaker 1: round average I think by a couple over the last

483
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, so he's improving. I mean nobody, well Tiger

484
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: knows and there's about what two three people living who

485
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: know what it feels like to try to close out

486
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Speaker 1: the career Grand Slam. I mean, and I can't think

487
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Speaker 1: of a harder place to do it than here, Like

488
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: same course every year, the place that's going to create

489
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: scar tissue. I mean, all the other three majors, you've

490
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: got a different course. One of them is going to

491
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: suit you, and one of them is going to work.

492
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Speaker 1: You know this one. You're going to come back to

493
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: the same place. You're going to think about the same

494
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: course and the same shots and the same stuff every day.

495
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Speaker 1: It's got to be the hardest place to close out

496
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: the career. Grand Slam. Everybody wants to talk about it.

497
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Speaker 1: Every question he ever gets in a month leading up

498
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Speaker 1: to this for the last ten years has been greer

499
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Speaker 1: Grand Slam. What do you think it's hard to carry

500
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Speaker 1: that with you? I mean, there's just so much golf

501
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: goes the best, and Scheffler shows this. It seems to

502
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: show this that when everything when it's all simple, when

503
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: life is simple and it's all balanced, and life at

504
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: home is good, and you don't have a whole lot

505
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Speaker 1: of worries and there's not a whole lot to sort

506
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Speaker 1: of you're not trying to live up to any expectations

507
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: and you're just sort of doing your thing. Golf is

508
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot easier than when you Rory's carries a lot

509
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: of extras that a lot of other guys in the

510
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: field don't. And I wouldn't even include all this sort

511
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Speaker 1: of spokesman for the PGA to a sort of role

512
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Speaker 1: that people are sort of handing him or he's sort

513
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Speaker 1: of taken on. I don't think that's it. It's just

514
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Speaker 1: you live your heart. I mean, it's an unbelievable thing

515
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: to win three four multiple majors. To win all four

516
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: is just what's has only been done five times, right,

517
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a hard thing to do.

518
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Speaker 1: And I just think the weight of that. And there's

519
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: the longest three days of the year is Monday, Tuesday,

520
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: Wednesday at the Masters, like it's just get me to

521
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: the first tea, you know, I mean, and his Monday

522
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: Tuesday Wednesday a way longer than everyone else's. And he's

523
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Speaker 1: shown that he clearly plays this course as well as anybody.

524
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: He just puts himself behind the eight ball with fifty

525
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Speaker 1: four half to play and then it beats the field

526
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Speaker 1: for the last three rounds. He kind of seems to

527
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Speaker 1: do that a lot, so, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And in a day, I mean, it's very it happens

529
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Speaker 1: very quick. I mean, he's going along fine, then he

530
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Speaker 1: doubled seven, and then all of a sudden there's three

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Speaker 1: guys at seven under part. It's like, you really haven't

532
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Speaker 1: done that much wrong, and you know, you run a

533
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Speaker 1: couple of parts over the edge of the hole and

534
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're nine behind, and now you

535
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Speaker 1: need to force it. And now it's really difficult, you know.

536
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how much you can

537
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: read into it. I mean, he's obviously their class golfer.

538
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Speaker 1: I don't know whether it ever win it or not.

539
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: This place seems to get into people's heads. I mean

540
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: it gets into the head before it gets into everyone's head.

541
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Speaker 1: That's kind of part of the charm of the place.

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Speaker 1: And to carry the sort of self expectation that he

543
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: would be carrying this stuff. I don't know. I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I still think you'll finish great, You'll still

545
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Speaker 1: finish up high. And I think it actually helps him.

546
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Speaker 1: I mean it helps him. I think that it's going

547
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: to get tough because he knows. I mean, shooting aid

548
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Speaker 1: In Under for the next three rounds would be quite difficult.

549
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: But if he's only got to shoot seven, you know,

550
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: you can craft that out. You know, you can sort

551
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: of have nine holes where you don't make a birdie

552
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: and it's okay. But if it was going to be

553
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Speaker 1: Aiding Under and he went front nine tomorrow and didn't

554
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Speaker 1: make any birdies, then he's probably not getting to aid

555
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: In Under, you know. So um yeah, I don't know.

556
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: I think I think we're a bit hard on him.

557
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: I think it's a really really hard thing to do.

558
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Speaker 1: What he's trying to do around a place that's the

559
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: hardest place to do it. I think we've got to Yeah,

560
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: I think people are going need to lay off him

561
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: and just realize how hard this thing is to do.

562
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Speaker 1: And he' still pretty impressive because you even part around

563
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: a really hard course. I mean, I'd love to see, um, yeah,

564
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough golf course anyway, So i'd

565
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: love to see him play. Well. Golf is better when

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Speaker 1: Rory's up there. It's so it's so fun to watch

567
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: play well, maybe the funnest to watch play well, you know,

568
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Speaker 1: the bouncy walk and how free years and um, it'd

569
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Speaker 1: be fun to see him get in these. He just

570
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to ever really quite be there with non

571
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Speaker 1: Hall topply and it would be really fun to say

572
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: that sort of fun fault. So I kind of just

573
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Speaker 1: miss it. I don't really, I just wouldn't. I just

574
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Speaker 1: want to say that as as a golf fan, Jeff,

575
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Speaker 1: can I ask you a question? It loots to somebody

576
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: Alan was just talking about a minute ago. I think

577
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: one of the most pretentious phrases in golf is, oh,

578
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: it's a really good second shot golf course. I mean,

579
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the actually don't even really

580
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: know what it means. But to Alan's point about the

581
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: third that Victor Hobbam played today and whether you could

582
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Speaker 1: play it under dry conditions, I mean that exact sh

583
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Speaker 1: shot you couldn't. But what about some of the third

584
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: shots you do play on this golf course, some of

585
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: those finicky fiddly shots, what are some of them? Really?

586
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: Like that third shot on ten if you miss that green,

587
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: like the third shot on one, if you miss that green,

588
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: the third shot on fifteen, if you don't go for it,

589
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: can you talk from your experience of having played it

590
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: about to use the pretentious phrase, I'm just inventing Augusta

591
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: National is a third shot golf course? Well, yeah, well,

592
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean Augusta nashvill Is is a golf course that

593
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: every shot, the higher quality of the shot you hit,

594
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: exponentially makes the next shot easier. If you like, So,

595
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: if you had a really good drive, your second shots

596
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: relatively easy. If you had a great second shot, your

597
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: third shots really is. If you'd have a bad t shot,

598
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it gets it. You make mistakes,

599
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: get magnified. Really really fast. But the third shots of

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00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: stuff around the green. I mean I I watched minmir

601
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: lead to day drive it right next to the third

602
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: grad where he drove it right up on the third

603
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: graen where you second shot where he was putting, and

604
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: he made five. And it happens so fast you don't

605
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. You just leave the part of first

606
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: the first part just a little bit short, and now

607
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: you're put for a birdie is a fifteen foot part

608
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: that if it misses, it's going to go six feet past.

609
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: So it really he's hit it. He's hit it sort

610
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: of half a foot too short, and all of a

611
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: sudden he's making five after driving it basically on the green.

612
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: That is possible on every single hole. And we saw

613
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Tom I don't know on the team on the board

614
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: garden from the fifteen hit his bunk shot in the

615
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: right bunk round fifteen he just hit at the water.

616
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden he's playing his fourth

617
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: shot from the from the layups. But it happens really

618
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: really fast. So I think that's probably realistically really where

619
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Speaker 1: the experience is. I think when you get those tricky

620
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Speaker 1: little shots around the greens and you understand the ones

621
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Speaker 1: that you know what, I can kind of try to

622
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: get this one close and worst case I make bogey.

623
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Speaker 1: But there's there's shots on every hole out there with

624
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: certain pins and you're in certain spots that you really

625
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: have to say it, right, how do I just not

626
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: make double here? You know, I can't really try to

627
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: take this on really sort of take the long view

628
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Speaker 1: on stuff, and how do I get this down in

629
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Speaker 1: three at the most? It's really really tricky. As I said,

630
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Speaker 1: the real sort of thing about this is the worst.

631
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Speaker 1: You just your mistakes get really really magnified and it

632
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: looks like it's wide and you're always chipping off short

633
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: grass and you've got a great low in the bunk

634
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Speaker 1: all the time, and you rare very rarely in the

635
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: trees where you can kind of hit it anywhere. But

636
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: you can't really because the higher quality shot you hit,

637
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Speaker 1: the easier your neck shot is. And it's um you

638
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: miss it in some really tricky little spots. And when

639
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: we saw the mess, I mean, Rory was making made

640
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: a bit of mess at thirteen from the middle of

641
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: the fairway. It's very easy to do to just sort

642
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: of you eh to lose shot, loose shots every week

643
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: and then you just hit it out the ten feet

644
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: and you make it, or you don't. You hit a

645
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: loose shot here, and it just gets harder and harder

646
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: and harder until you get the ball in the hole.

647
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's um, it's part of the genius at

648
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: a place. So like you say, there is no such

649
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: thing as a first shot course or a second shot course,

650
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: or I mean this course is a sort of it's

651
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: the direct proportion. The better you hit every shot proportionately

652
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: or exponentially, really, the easier your neck shot is, you know,

653
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: all the way right, even even putting, even putting like

654
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: you've got a thirty foot part, the better your first

655
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: thirty foot part is, the easier your part part is.

656
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: If you missed that thirty foot a bad part. Or

657
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: now you've got to part put the one alm, I'm

658
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: not going to make alm. I'm not going to four part.

659
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: You know. That's the chet's really the mental challenges. It

660
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: never never lets you go. Even on a simple little

661
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: fifteen foot up hill part. You've given a bit too much.

662
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: Now you've got four feet coming downhill and now wow,

663
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: now I could actually Now I've got to careful that

664
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't three part this three foot four foot. Um,

665
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: that's a fantastic course like that. Yeah, the third shots

666
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: are very interesting. That's probably the funnest ones to watch

667
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: as a spectator if you're at the golf course, to

668
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: stand around the greens and to watch the stuff that

669
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: happens around the greens, because it makes everybody's scrap. We're

670
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: all scratching our head around the greens. I mean, how

671
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: about John rams to do in that first green, that

672
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: third shot? You know, after that he was cooked, absolutely,

673
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean in that first green especially. I mean we've

674
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: talked about a lot, but that first that's it's one

675
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: of the that's gonna be the fattest first hole in

676
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: that we play regularly. Um, it's it doesn't look that scary.

677
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: And in the the practice around he had all the parts

678
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: are around and it's all very good. And then the

679
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: tournament that it seems to get us a little bit

680
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: faster on Thursday morning usually and all of so they

681
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: know their pins. I mean there's pins that's if you

682
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: move it a foot to the right, everybody makes their

683
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: six footers, but you move it just to that spot

684
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: that they know. Everybody overreads it, misses it high or

685
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: everybody you know, it's it's incredible how they can put

686
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: these pins. It really looks like it's going to break

687
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: a cup and it just doesn't break at all. You know,

688
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: they know this course so well. Nobody sets up a

689
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: course better, and it just they they can make you.

690
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: You can walk down the first fairway, I think you're

691
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: playing really well, and I'm putting really well, or I'm

692
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: doing this really well, and by about the third hole

693
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you feel like you've never played golf before. And that's

694
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: what it does, you know, and that's why it's such

695
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: a mental test. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's just good.

696
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: It's great fun to watch, and it's great fun to

697
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: play when you do it well. And it's just really

698
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: incredibly sort of deflating when you sort of get caught out.

699
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: I don't forgive me, please, I'm enjoying it. Keep going.

700
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: But but Jeff, you know, the last time we got

701
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: to really do a deep dive on a golf course

702
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: like this, three of us together, was the Old Course.

703
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: We all love the Old Course. I mean, I can

704
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: get emotional talk about the Old course and now to

705
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: hear you talk about a ghost to Nashville almost the

706
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: same kind of way. But you know, you don't have

707
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: that experience with your dad like you do at the

708
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: old course. But of course we know that Jones thought

709
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: a lot about the old course when he and McKenzie

710
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: were designing this place. But how did the two play

711
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: out in your mind? In some ways they're very similar.

712
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Of course they're very different too, but just as iconic

713
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: golf courses, how do you think about the two at

714
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: the same time. Well, I mean, there's the similarities are

715
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: harder to see now. I think because of the way

716
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: it's presented. I think early days, back in the thirties

717
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: and forties, it would have been fairly less irrigation on

718
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: the fairways. It would have been sort of but mute,

719
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: pretty firm. You had to run the ball up on five.

720
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: I mean five and fourteen look like they've been pulled

721
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: straight from the out course those two grains. It would

722
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: have been in more of a ground game. And I

723
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: think over the years, as everything's got better, everything's got better,

724
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: it's more of a game in the air and you're

725
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: sort of flying it onto five and four. You wouldn't

726
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: even consider trying to run it up on five and

727
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: fourteen anymore. And some of the other stuff it it

728
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: plays different than probably Jones's intention, to be honest, because

729
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: he couldn't have envisioned how we were playing golf now,

730
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't think or agronomy and those sort of things.

731
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: But they both, as I was sort of saying before

732
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: about it, sort of exponentially, like the further you get

733
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: off track, the harder it is to get back on track.

734
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: You know. The courses both do that, they do that

735
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: in different ways. I mean, this is an elevated test.

736
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: This is like playing snooker on a full size table

737
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: compared to playing pool in the pub. You know, it's

738
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: quite simple. Everybody, you have two or three beers, you

739
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: go to the pub and your whole five or six shots.

740
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm really good at Paul. And then

741
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: if you went on to get on a really like

742
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: the full size the big thing, or it would be

743
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: like driving a stick shift Porsche race car from the

744
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: seventies compared to like driving a you know, a nice car. Now.

745
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: It's like it's just an elevated skill level. You've just

746
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: it's so much more. There's so much more nuance and depth.

747
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: There's depth to the test, you know, I mean, you've

748
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: got your second shot on ten, and you're downslope. The

749
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: better your t shot, the flatter your lie. But you're

750
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: generally offered downslope with a ball above your feet and

751
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: eleven the balls above your feet, thirteen the balls weigh

752
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: above your feet. Fourteen you have to hit a drawer

753
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: into the green, but the balls below your feet. You know.

754
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Nine you have to hit a drawer into that green.

755
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: But the balls weigh below your feet. We don't ever

756
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: have that. We don't often have that in regular golf.

757
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: That's that's why the cream rises to the top because

758
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: lots of us can hit a seven nine from five,

759
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: hit it straight off a flat line and a nice

760
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: soft green. But you get a firmish green and the

761
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: balls below your feet and you actually have to hit

762
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: a drawer to hit the green. This is like elevating

763
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: the test like it's a deeper It's a deeper test.

764
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: It's a test with more depth. And the old course

765
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: does it, The great courses do that. It's not because

766
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: this is such a historic, famous tournament why the cream

767
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: rises to the top. They rise to the top because

768
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: the test is more difficult, and it makes unless you

769
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: are one of the best players in the world, you

770
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: just can't possibly do shoot these scores. I mean, people

771
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: don't have any idea. Even today, everyone's like, oh, August,

772
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: it was easy today. They have no idea. It's really not.

773
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: These things are really it's a really really hard course.

774
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: It's just it's a really as is. The best word

775
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: is more depth. There's more depth to the test, and

776
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: that's what the old course does. It's irrelevant the score

777
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: under par, it's totally irrelevent. The shots you need to

778
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: shoot eighteen under here or eighteen under at the old

779
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: course for four days. Shots not everybody can hit. And

780
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: it's a variety. As I said, balls below your feet,

781
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: balls above your feet, down slopes, up slopes, decisions. You've

782
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: got to be brave. I mean the old course to

783
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: do it well, you've got to take the outer bounds

784
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: and the bunker is on a little bit here. You've

785
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: got to take the water and you've got to you've

786
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: got to hit some shots that are just not shots

787
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: that we're not used to hitting. I mean, the second

788
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: shot on fifteen is just not a shot we would

789
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: take on anywhere else. But because it's here and because

790
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: we know we have to take it on, you have

791
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: to take it on it forces you to hit shots

792
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: that you're uncomfortable hitting, but the only way you can

793
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: hit them well is to not be uncomfortable where you're

794
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: hitting it, you know, if that makes sense, Which is

795
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: which is why it's a great course for Keepkat, you

796
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: would say, And it was fantastic for Phil and fantastic

797
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: for Tiger because they loved that sort of stuff. I mean,

798
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm just going to take this on. You know, it's

799
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: a course that makes you want to play conservative, but

800
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: the only way to play it well is to play

801
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: it aggressively and have the skill set to play all

802
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: these uneven lies and understand slope and it's really hard

803
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: to imagine some of the breaks and so how high

804
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: you have to hit some of these. I mean, as

805
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I'll pick on Tom again. Tom Kim's the best, and

806
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: he's probably going to play here for a really long time.

807
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: But he had that bunker shot on fifteen and he

808
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: just didn't respect the slope enough and very quickly he's

809
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: got a nice greenside bunker shot and all of a

810
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: sudd he's in the water. That doesn't happen in a

811
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: normal place. You know, that doesn't happen, and it kind

812
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: of maybe looks unfair, but Tiger would have hit that

813
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: bunker shop six feet right of the whole, you know.

814
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: So it's just a fantastic test of a golfer that

815
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: just challenges us to a much higher level than a

816
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: general course, and the old course does the same as

817
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: a score relative to part is completely irrelevant here. I

818
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: think it's asking you you just have to beat the

819
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: other one hundred and fifty six players or the other

820
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: eighty seven players or whoever at the field. To do that,

821
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: you have to have all the shots in your bag,

822
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: and not everybody. I mean, there's really only handfuls of

823
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: guys in the world who actually have all these shots. Well,

824
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: there's the metaphysical aspect, because you talked about this last

825
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: year so beautifully, where they're scary shots and there do

826
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: or die, and the only way you can execute the

827
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: is to be fearless and to be free. But everything

828
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: in your nature wants you to be conservative and holds

829
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: you back, and it's that that inner battle. Can you

830
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: just let the club go the way you have to

831
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: to execute it? But and that's you know, when we're

832
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: talking about Rory, like we know he has all the

833
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: skill sets, but it's almost like it almost like he

834
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: was holding on the club a little bit today, you know,

835
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: all those left misses and some one hand finishes. He

836
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: just didn't have his usual rhythm and he's been swinging

837
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: it beautifully. So again, is that is that just more

838
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: of a mental thing where he's just trying to be

839
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: a little too careful, he's a little afraid of the

840
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: miss and just that that two percent hang on which

841
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: he usually never has. That makes the difference. And that's

842
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: why it's such a fascinating riddle, not just for Rory,

843
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: but for all these guys. And of course it only

844
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: gets as you get closer to the finish line and

845
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: that you're so close to getting getting that jacket, like

846
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: it just becomes even more tantalizing and more tortures. That

847
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: that's why this course is so much fun to watch

848
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: because it, as you're saying, Jeff, it requires so much

849
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: physical skill, but then it takes just as much on

850
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: the mental side. I mean, it's just so stressful, and

851
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: that's why it's just such fascinating stage. I think, Alan,

852
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: what you said is he's and Jeff was saying same thing.

853
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: It's absolutely absolutely true for sixty three holes the course,

854
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: the course, and what it will yield to guys who really, really,

855
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: really know how to play golf, meaning the Alathaballs of

856
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: the world and the Sevis of the world and the

857
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: Tigers of the world who have every shot through. Is

858
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: that that someone can play. But and I would say

859
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: this is why it's more than the course. It is

860
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: this particular tournament. When it comes to late on Sunday afternoon,

861
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: there really truly are whether you're whether you're like a

862
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: golf historian or you know, you know who do you

863
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: mean to merit and Byrnilson, or whether you do or

864
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: you don't, you still know that you're that if you

865
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: can get that, if you can get to the house

866
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: and when the thing, you're in the club forever. And

867
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: that has to I'm sure way to Mulinary's mind. I

868
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: remember asked Mollinary this. I said, you know, when you

869
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: woke up Sunday morning, could you imagine could you not

870
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: think about the idea of how the shirt's going to

871
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: go with the coat? And Mulinary said, super honestly, you

872
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: said you would love not to think about it, but

873
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: you can't not. And at some point that I think

874
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: that's why so many people who aren't even interested in golf,

875
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: get interested in this tournament because the course, the course,

876
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: the course and then everything that it means come late

877
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon. And that's why it's just spectacular every

878
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: which way. Well, I mean, Scottie Scheffler crying in his

879
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: wife's arms Sunday morning last year, he's one of the

880
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: you said at Michael, it's one of the all time

881
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: great admissions about the pressure of tournament golf and him

882
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: him saying to Meredith, I don't think I'm ready for this.

883
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't think I can do this,

884
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: and he's like sobbing in her arms like that is

885
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: that is the test, that is that is the challenge.

886
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: And of course he overcame it, and he's been on

887
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: a heater or ever since because he proved to himself

888
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: that he could do it. Then that's what's so compelling

889
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: about this, and it's true in any major championship. But

890
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: of course Jeff knows this because he's done it. But

891
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look, even if you look at

892
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: at what Keepka did at Bethpage I mean he was

893
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: decimating that long, difficult Bethpage Black course until Sunday Sunday,

894
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: he looked kind of ordinary and he was playing the

895
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: Harrold Varner if I recall and harm Varner went for

896
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: a number and Keevica sort of went for a number

897
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: and it was good enough to win. But that's all

898
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: it really was. And so no matter what kind of

899
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: golf Brooks Kevica plays, you know, on Friday and Saturday,

900
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I can't imagine going south. He's playing too well, but

901
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: bikes on the afternoon. There are going to be other things.

902
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: There are going to be other factors that were part

903
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: of It's going to be up and playing fifty four

904
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: hold tournaments. But the bigger part of it is I'm

905
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: going to be in the club forever. Yeah, that's well said.

906
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: Just a weather update because Jeff has a references a

907
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: few times. So Tomorrow is actually gonna be warm. It

908
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna be eighty degrees but eighty percent chance of rain

909
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: and thunderstorm. So if we can get in a full

910
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: eighteen holes for the field, that would be remarkable. And

911
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: then Saturday, the temperature plummet's high of fifty one one

912
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: percent chance of rain, so it'll be a war of attrition.

913
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be cold and long and nasty, and yeah,

914
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: it feels like it can feel like Zach Johnson all

915
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: over again. And then Sunday gets a bit warmer, up

916
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: to sixty degrees. It shows fifty percent chance of rain.

917
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a tough three days and possibly

918
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: four ahead. And how guys handled the starts and stops

919
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: and all of that. Let's just let's just end this

920
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: podcast with a winner and a winning scorelet we don't

921
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: usually do this, but we've got some data to go on. Jeff,

922
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: you're the man here. Let's put you on the spot

923
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: while score. It's really hard. I mean that oh seven

924
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: year we had like low forties, similar it was a

925
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: similar forecast, but never as much rain. But it was

926
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: a very cold north wind. I mean I remember hitting

927
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: driver three. I'm short on the first, which wasn't happening today,

928
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, And the part fives are all layups, and

929
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: it was really tough and miserable and cold and scary,

930
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, battle of attrition. I from what I what

931
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: evidence I saw today, Brooks looks like the Brooks we

932
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: saw when he was marching along. He it's not talked

933
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: about much, but he spent the first five or six

934
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: years of his life playing Europe, like the Mini Tours

935
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: in Europe and then the Victor in Europe. I mean

936
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: he's played in a rain suit, probably a little bit

937
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: more than a lot of these guys, and he just

938
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: looks really good. And I'm going to say nine under

939
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: Brooks kept goo Shane with a with a not to

940
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: Shane Larry because if he really gets like that, we

941
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: know he's good in that sort of stuff. Michael, I mean,

942
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: Jeff really took the words out of my mouth. But

943
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: I do think it's Kepco. He plays early tomorrow, he's

944
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: probably gonna be one of the guys who gets who

945
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: gets done early. He's probably gonna be leaving this thing

946
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: for thirty six sols. I don't see him going that.

947
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: That's south. Then he gets to play late on Saturday.

948
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: Maybe things I'll have calmed down a little bit then

949
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: wind wise and otherwise. So then he's in the last

950
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: group on Sunday, and guys usually went out of the

951
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: last group. So it's easy to make a case for

952
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Kepp going to go from strength to strength here in

953
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: Large Park because it's got an early tea time. And

954
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: as for the winning scories at seven, yeah, just to

955
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: not super duplicate. Jeff, I'll say ten, but it's just

956
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: really a stab in the dark. Well, this is how

957
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: we know Brooks Kepa is not going with the Masters,

958
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: because all three of us think he's going to win

959
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: the Masters death on these things. But yeah, it's I

960
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: think it's his time. I think it's his moment. I

961
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: think in this very we didn't even touch on the

962
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: fact that today there was just ruling became official from

963
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: the arbitration case in Europe to live guys lost they're

964
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to play on the European Tour

965
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: and just turns volume up on all this stuff. It's um.

966
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, I saw Keith Palley under the tree, the

967
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: CEO of the European Tour. He was practically doing cart

968
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: wheels like it's it's it's just one more log on

969
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: the fire. I think it's destined for a live guy

970
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: to win this thing. H Brooks would be perfect. So

971
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: I think it's three out of three. Then Alan, how

972
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: many years is he obbligated to play the Live Tour

973
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: And what path could he possibly have to come back

974
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: to the PHA Tour if he even wanted to. Yeah,

975
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: it's I'm trying to nail down whether it's a four

976
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: or five year deal, but it's it's multi um and

977
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's front loaded. I mean, Brooks and some

978
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: of these guys were clever enough to get more money

979
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: in the first couple of years because of the uncertainty

980
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: that follows. So um. But you know, there was that

981
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this in I've been pretty to a

982
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: couple of contracts, but I didn't. Some of it's been redacted,

983
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: so um. But there was that news break that Alex

984
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: MASSELLI had about the clawback provision. If you want to leave,

985
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: you have to pay back you know, three or four

986
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: x which you already got, which would obviously be prohibitive.

987
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: So there's leaving on your own. I mean, like Brooks

988
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: is a team captain, he has equity and the team,

989
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: he's recruited, you know, his brother's part of the team,

990
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I don't think voluntary, voluntary leaving is

991
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: a real possibility. I think, you know, Lee Westwood told

992
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: me that he had this meeting of the minds with

993
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: Rory in Dubai this year, and Rory said, let's just

994
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: sit around a table and figure this out. Like it's

995
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: time for the players to come together and forge a compromise.

996
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: Whether they could get all the big bosses and all

997
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: the egos and all the contracts and all the TV

998
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: stuff in alignment remains to be seen. But we've seen

999
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: how much power the players have. They've taken control of

1000
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. It was the players who really made

1001
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Live come alive. I mean, the players have the power.

1002
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: We know that. So if that's if that's what they want,

1003
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: and this was an important week I think for for

1004
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: those issues. I mean, there's been a lot of kumbaya

1005
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: in the press about how it win's getting along and

1006
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: all the hugs and all the handshakes, and I pulled

1007
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys aside and like, Okay, I know

1008
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: you have to say that publicly, but like, give me

1009
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: the real shit. What's really going on? Like give me,

1010
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: give me who's been mean? What bitchiness have you seen?

1011
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: And to every single one, even under the cloak of anonymity,

1012
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: has said, no, it's been great. It's been a really

1013
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: nice vibe. Everyone's just been above the fray, focused on

1014
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: the masters. Everyone's been been happy to see each other.

1015
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: So this week may if they ever reunify the game

1016
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, like this week becomes

1017
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: an important part of it, where all the bitterness and

1018
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: all the name calling of last season, I think it's

1019
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: dissipated a little bit this week. Now. If if Brooks

1020
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: are another live guy wins and they're running around the

1021
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: green popping bottles like Greg Norman forecast, you know it's

1022
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: a fragile piece, but it seems like they've at least

1023
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: forged it a little bit this week. So again, and

1024
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: this is about the Masters and all that, but in

1025
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: the world we live in, these other issues are inescapable.

1026
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: So the answer is, I don't think. I don't think

1027
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: anyone's leaven live voluntarily. Either the plug gets pulled in

1028
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: a year or two, or the decision makers find a

1029
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: way to forge a compromise. But a defection doesn't seem

1030
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: to be a real option. Now, you can get relegated,

1031
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: you can your contract can expire, and maybe they'll there'll

1032
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: be some sort of path if you play through Q school.

1033
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: You know, that's different than actually leaving while you're still

1034
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: on your contract, But even that has to get, you know,

1035
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: figured out. So we'll save all this for next week's

1036
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: recap podcastle for now, let's focus on the masters. It

1037
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: was a heck of a day at Augusta National, a

1038
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: lot of fireworks. The next three rounds are going to

1039
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: be very intriguing. We will keep podcasting and U and

1040
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: two on them, the fat on all this stuff. But

1041
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: that was Jeff Ogilvie and Michael Bambergants is allenship Nuck

1042
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: thinks for listening to this fire drill. We back at

1043
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: it again soon and that's the end. My bed big

1044
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: and I played the win, made a fortune with my

1045
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: shot game man. I ran the table, never thought I

1046
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: could fall down. The winter time hit me like a cannon,

1047
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: the ball and now I can't shake this losing the stream.

1048
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: Every road I take is a dead end stream. I

1049
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, trying

1050
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts

1051
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: in my head, I can't get them out, trying not

1052
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: to think what I'm thinking about.