1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our two on 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: this Tuesday, Dan and The Dans to dam Patrick Show 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: will talk to Sam Smith. He wrote the book The 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Jordan Rules. I don't know what his relationship is like 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: with Michael Now, probably a little frosty. But we'll talk 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: to Sam Smith what he thinks of the documentary. And 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Larry Scott, the PAC twelve commissioner, will stop by as 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: we look at alternative plans for college football. Spend a 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: little time last hour, and we talked about the NFL 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: season could begin October eighth, and this goes back to 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: what I said I was looking for when they were 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: releasing the schedule. The commissioner specifically told ownership no hypotheticals, 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: they were going to deal with the NFL schedule starting 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: on time. And from what I was told, they were 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: looking at flipping the first four months if they are 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: first month of the season, the first four weeks if 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: they had to flip it, and those were at the 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: back end of the schedule, and the super Bowl would 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: be moved back to late February. That's what I was told, 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: maybe even into early March. Peter King NBC Sports. NFL 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: reporters said the portable schedule would be moving the first 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 1: four weeks of the season into January. As a result, 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season would start Thursday, October eighth, with 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers set to face the Chicago Bears on Thursday 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Night Football. Once again, this is plan B. This is 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: contingency plans, and this is what I was told going 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: into the scheduling party. It's going to work either way. 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: If it starts on time, all right, But if it's 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: pushed back into late February, NFL's fine with that. Even 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: more anticipation leading up to the NFL season and then 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: you get your own February as well, and maybe just 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: a piece of March. NFL is going to be fine 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: with that. But you know, this is just a contingency plan. 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: This is what is being discussed, was discussed prior to 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: last week. Also with the baseball season. I still keep 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: hearing that fourth of July that's sort of the target. 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: If they're going to be able to pull this off. 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: They got to come up with the rev share here 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: is at a fifty fifty split. You've got to get 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: sign off starting at the White House to governors, mayors 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: trying to get testing in play. I mean, there's a 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: lot of hurdles. But this is why the Commissioner, Rob Manfred, 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: has been kind of quiet because they're hunkered down trying 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: to figure all this out. There's no reason to come 46 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: out now and say because we've asked for the commissioner 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: and I think he's going to pick his spots when 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: he's going to do this, Because you don't want to 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: put a date out there where somebody says, well, wait 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: a minute, you told us, or you start to expect 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: it happening around fourth of July. This is what I 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: was told, and the source that told me this told 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: me this five weeks ago. Circle fourth of July. That's 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: the target date. Target date of getting games back, or 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: you're going to have an All Star game. Could you 56 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: have an All Star game to start this season and 57 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: use that as sort of a gathering spot. Could you 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: do that in Los Angeles? I was told that that's 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: now off the table because we're not letting teams. We 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: don't want them cross country traveling. We don't want that 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: to happen. That's why you're going to have You know 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: that your schedule is going to be locally based, geographically 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: more beneficial to these teams that you can take a 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: bus if you have to. So just some of the 65 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: things that are going on. We also talked about the 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: NFL MVP odds are out and I would not take 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and I would not take Lamar Jackson. And 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons. They're basically competing with themselves. 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is competing with Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson 70 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, Mahomes coming off a Super Bowl, when 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson coming off the MVP. That's why if I 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: was looking at this to try to make money, I 73 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: would probably go to Shaun Watson, maybe Baker Mayfield. You know, 74 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson would probably be my choice for MVP. But 75 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: I keep saying that every year. Eventually people are going 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: to get around to, gosh, you know what, Russell Wilson 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: never won an MVP. Here's the problem with Russell Wilson. 78 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: He throws thirty three touchdowns at eight interceptions every year, 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: it seems like, and they somehow get a couple more 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: wins or one more win than you would expect. That's 81 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: usually the feeling I get with Seattle. Yeah, mclun Yeah, 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: but he's like twentieth in the league in passing though 83 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: they don't ever throw the ball except in the red zone. 84 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: He gets such he put up good numbers. I know 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: that they're a running team, which I still don't understand. 86 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: If I have Russell Wilson, why do I want to 87 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: be a running team? But that's Pete Carroll and it 88 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: seems like they're gonna stay with that. The biggest play 89 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: in the Seahawks history, they threw the ball for a 90 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: running team. Yes, Russell Wilson stats are a little deceptive. 91 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: He does not throw for a lot of yards does not. 92 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: It's usually around four thousand, and he doesn't make a 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: lot of attempts. That said, he's one of the leaders 94 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: in touchdown passes every year. His touchdown per attempt ratio 95 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: is the highest in the league. Two years ago he 96 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: led the league in touchdowns with thirty four touch on passes. 97 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: You only threw for thirty nine hundred yards, So he scores. 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: He throws a touchdown passes, which is more importantan the yardage. Mclovin, 99 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: they had. I don't think a running back ran a 100 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: ball a touchdown in that season for the Seahawks, they 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: just they don't have a running game in the red zone. 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: But but their offense is predicated on running. So why 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: do you have an offense that you can't run it 104 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: when you get into the red zone. Well, I don't 105 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: know why would Well they've changed a little bit, but 106 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: why would you give MVP Like I don't think they're 107 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: a top half of the league offense, So you can't 108 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: give an MVP to like. His efficiency is amazing, but 109 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: I don't think they move the ball or score a lot, 110 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: so it'd be a weird. That's why. That's why he 111 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: hasn't got an MVP. If I took him out of 112 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: that offense, if I took him off Seattle's roster, how 113 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: many wins do you think Seattle has? Not many? Okay, No, 114 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: he's amazing, but but he doesn't like Mahomes. It's like 115 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: those guys are putting up the big numbers. That's where 116 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: you get the problem. Although russells will Russell's numbers are 117 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: going up, up up. He's like Brady, He's he's getting 118 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: more passing. You know, I'd love to see and like 119 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: to see Russell Wilson with I don't know Kelsey and 120 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Let's see how he does. What do you 121 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: think think you d Okay MC club? Yeah, be amazing. Yeah, 122 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: but you're giving me a system argument, which is my job. No, 123 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I'm just giving you the talent that Kansas City has. 124 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: If you put him on Dallas, if I switched Dak 125 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: Prescott and Russell Wilson, now you tell me who's going 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: to be better. You put you put Russell Wilson on 127 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You put Dak Prescott in Seattle, No, no question, 128 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Dak Prescott has got better odds on winning 129 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: the MVP. Dad shocks me. And when you said that 130 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Dak is going to ask to get paid like DeShawn, 131 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: I was shocked too. Well. Watson is they're looking at 132 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: the five year, two hundred million dollars deal. Is it 133 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: he way more valuable than Dak Prescott. I mean just 134 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: like on the surface, Yes, to Texas, he is. Yeah, 135 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: they need him to be great. Dallas hopes Dak is great. 136 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: They need him to be good. Deshaun Watson has to 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: be great, and especially now because you got Hopkins is 138 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: now in Arizona. But he's gonna once again the Cowboys 139 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: have prolonged this and it's cost him more. Dak Prescott 140 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: hadn't played a game and he keeps making money every 141 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: single day. Because you're gonna if DeShawn Watson signs that 142 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: forty million dollars a year deal, I don't know if 143 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna do that before July fifteen. What's Dak Prescott worth? Now? 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't think he's worth forty million dollars if I'm 145 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: judging that on Deshaun Watson's value in Dak Prescott. I mean, 146 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: this is all monopoly money to us, but not every 147 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: quarterback deserves to get the next highest salary. That's what's 148 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: so flawed by these billionaires that they go, hey, Jared Goff, 149 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: next guy up, Yep, you get paid more than this guy. 150 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: At some point somebody has to go, yeah, this is 151 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: kind of crazy. You know, Jared Goff's a good quarterback. 152 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: He's not. He should not be the highest paid quarterback 153 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: in the league at any point in his career. Given 154 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: what has happened so far. Dak Prescott should not be 155 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback. There are certain players who should be. Now, 156 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna have people catch up salary wise. If Aaron 157 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Rodgers signs his deal four years ago. You know, maybe 158 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: he's going to be underpaid at some point in his career. 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: But they're certain guys were like Kirk d Cousin, should 160 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: not be the highest paid quarterback at any time in 161 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: his career. If you want to give him guaranteed money, 162 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm all for them, and whatever they make they make. 163 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not my money. It just puts more 164 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: pressure on your capologist to spread the money around to 165 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: make smart investments there. But you don't have to give 166 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: every quarterback the next Hey, you're next up to be 167 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback in the league. That's just to me, 168 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: that sounds financially ignorant. Yeah, it's almost like the teams 169 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: that are eric have no choice. They're back into a corner. 170 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: If you want to upgrade the quarterback position, you gotta pay. 171 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: The only way around it is to draft a quarterback 172 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: and ride out that rookie salary, which is the best way. 173 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: If you happen to get a rookie, that's good. You've 174 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: got a five year Hall pass four year Hall pass 175 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. Otherwise you have to pay, or 176 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: you're the position is bad on your team. And you've 177 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: got no chance to win. What if I let Dak 178 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: Prescott go and be a free agent, then the Cowboys 179 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: will not make the play. No, but who is going 180 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: to pay him thirty thirty eight million dollars a year? 181 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: That I mean? I like Dak Prescott. I like him 182 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: personally and I like him professionally. But I also have 183 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: to look at this and I have to be a 184 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: businessman with this and go. Is he worth that kind 185 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: of money now compared to everybody else? I guess, But 186 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't make it right. I just think the salary 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: structure is really flawed in the NFL when it comes 188 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: to that position. You have to have I want to 189 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: pay a great quarterback great money. I don't want to 190 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: pay a good quarterback great money. And that's where you 191 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: the risk here. But Dallas could have paid Dank Prescott 192 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: before this. You could have probably signed him to thirty 193 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: four thirty five million dollars six months ago. Yes, the 194 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: NFL seems to be the only sport that really struggles 195 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: with this figuring out how to value people. Whereas, like 196 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: they used to, like you're just saying before, a quarterback 197 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: would get drafted first overall and get you know, fifty 198 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: million dollars right out of the gate, completely unproven, and 199 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: you'd have all of these busts. And now this, under 200 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: this new system, teams are being backed into or sort 201 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: of cornered into paying their quarterback way more than they 202 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: need to. What is it about the NFL that like 203 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: this one sport specifically struggles with that? Is it how 204 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: different the positions are. I just don't know how we 205 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: got around too. You haven't proven yourself. Here's fifty million dollars. 206 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: I get if I said to you as a businessman, Hey, 207 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Jimmy hasn't ever done this before. I mean he did it, 208 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: but he did it in college. He you know, kind 209 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: of wasn't at a high level, but he was good. Oh, 210 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: I think we should pay him top salary. Like what 211 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. Hey, this guy was, you know, 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: good in college. We don't know if he can play 213 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Here's fifty million dollars. It just seems 214 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: kind of counterintuitive to being a smart businessman. I'm all 215 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: for these quarterbacks. Get all the money you can. It's 216 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: the toughest position in all the sports. There are certain 217 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I look at and go, he's very good 218 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: or he's good, and that's as good as he's going 219 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: to get. Patrick Mahomes is going to get paid, and 220 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: he should get paid. Deshaun Watson's gonna get paid, and 221 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: he should get paid. Dak Prescott is gonna get paid. 222 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: He's gonna get paid more than he probably should. And 223 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: he's the Cowboys quarterback. But I put the blame on 224 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You could have signed him a while ago 225 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: and been done with this. You know, you draft Ezekiel Elliott. 226 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: Nobody drafts running backs that high anymore, and then you 227 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: pay him again. So you basically overpaid twice for Ezekiel Elliott, 228 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: first by drafting him in the top five, and then 229 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: you came back, and then you double down, and then 230 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: you paid him again to start the second you know contract, 231 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: to me, that defies logic. I can get somebody to 232 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: get your twelve hundred yards behind that offensive line, and 233 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I can get him probably in a third or fourth 234 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: or fifth round. The Pollard kid is a good running back. 235 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: He's a nice running back for them. Zeke can be great. 236 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want a running back 237 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: on his second contract. The fact that the NFL odds 238 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: have Jamis Winston and Christian McCaffrey as the same odds 239 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: to win the MVP. That tells you everything you need 240 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: to know about the running back position. Christian McCaffrey can't 241 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: be any better any was last year and he's got 242 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: a bad team. Zeke Elliott is got this. He's got 243 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: worse odds than Christian McCaffrey to be the MVP. Yeah, McLevin. 244 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: Is there any chance or paying Dak to be like 245 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: a face of a franchise leader? Like does that count? 246 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: Like Jerry Jones is the face of the franchise? Well, 247 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean just his personality is so good that is 248 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: there a value on that? Because everyone seems to love 249 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Dak personally, like interview wise and stuff. I guess it's Jerry's. 250 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: It's Jerry's. He's the face of the franchise. He's the coach, 251 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: he's the gem, he's the owner. It's Jerry. I like 252 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott as the quarterback. I don't know if he's 253 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: a great quarterback. And that's not a knock on him. 254 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: I just don't know if he is. And the fact 255 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: that they went out and got Cedee Lamb they didn't 256 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: need another wide receiver it's nice to have it and 257 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: just ask Aaron Rodgers. But what are they saying? Can 258 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: Dak do this on his own or does he still 259 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: need more help? Hey, we're gonna keep Zeke their offensive line. 260 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: We got another wide receiver here for you. I don't 261 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: know they send mixed messages the Cowboys do, but they 262 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: could have wrapped this up a long, long time ago. 263 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: I was also noticing that, you know, we see these 264 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: long shots you had. Mahomes was thirty five to one 265 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: before he won the MVP. Lamar Jackson was forty to one. 266 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: Sixteen running backs have won the MVP. You know, the 267 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: last running back to win the MVP. I'll give you. 268 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: If I give you the year, you'll get it. Let 269 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: me see, he's not with the team that he won 270 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: the MVP with. He's still in the league. He is 271 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: still in the league, kind of, he's still in the league. 272 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson twenty twelve. Four The last five winners have 273 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: had odds longer than thirty to one to win the MVP. 274 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Just something to keep in mind for entertainment purposes only yes, 275 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: make eleven. There's been a trend. Two second year quarterbacks 276 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: have won in a row and You've been a Kyler 277 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: Murray fan for a long time, you know, so are 278 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: you looking at him and evaluating him? Because he's got 279 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: to win twelve games? Lamar Jackson, they had the best 280 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: regular season record and Maholmes was putting up record setting 281 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: numbers and then I mean what he had record setting 282 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: numbers and he was on a really good team. Is 283 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: there any chance to Cardinals take that next big step 284 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: like like the Ravens. Well, the Niners are going to 285 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: be good, Seattle is going to be good. I mean, 286 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: the Rams will be competitive. They're not going to be 287 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: a thirteen win team, but they might win nine ten. 288 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: Maybe Arizona would have to win eleven games, maybe twelve 289 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: games for Lamar jack or for Kyler Murray to get 290 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: that shot. Also, the NFL ticket sales, the value the 291 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Patriots average ticket price this secondary market four hundred and 292 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: thirty three dollars. It's thirty nine percent below last season's average. 293 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: That's nearly double the next worst performer. The Bears have 294 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: dropped off twenty two percent below last season's average ticket 295 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: but my Buccaneers up one hundred and thirty five percent 296 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: in average prices. The Buccaneers now have the sixth priceest 297 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: average ticket on the secondary market four hundred and eighty 298 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: five dollars per seat. Raiders sold out hot ticket new 299 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: Stadium Broncos. Broncos are one of the hottest teams in 300 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: the secondary ticket market. Yeah, Vegas had a jump from 301 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: last season to average five and twenty eight percent for 302 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: the Raiders. That's nearly triple the next nearest team in 303 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: terms of jump in demand. Just some fun numbers there. Also, 304 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: there was a story by Gary Myers, and Gary Myers 305 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: has been covering the NFL for I'm going to guess 306 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: thirty forty years, and he had a report here which 307 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but he said that part of the reason 308 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: why Tom Brady left the New England Patriots had to 309 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: do with a kind of tension between him and the 310 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels. Tom Brady has since come out 311 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: and said, you know, that's not true, and I mean 312 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: he had other words. He was very vocal about it, 313 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: but Josh McDaniels and Brady had verbal bouquets for each 314 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: other when they departed. My thought is Brady and Josh 315 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: McDaniels may have tension, but I have tension with some 316 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: of my brothers. I mean, you do that happens when 317 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: you're on the job. You know, I have tension sometimes 318 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: with Paulie, but we're in it together doing the same job, 319 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: and we're here every day, and then you go, Okay, 320 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: shake it off, let's move on. We have to do 321 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: this job. There's tension that's involved. That doesn't necessarily mean 322 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be a reason why if I'm Brady. Now, 323 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: Brady did have a problem with the offense last year. 324 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: He was vocal about that he didn't like, but I 325 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: think he was upset because he had nobody to throw 326 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: it too. You know. The philosophy was, hey, Tom, we 327 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: don't have a good offensive line and we don't have 328 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: any weapons, but hey can you get the ball out 329 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: in less than three seconds? Okay? Ready break? That's sort 330 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: of the feeling I have that could lead to tension 331 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: if I'm Tom Brady. But it's not Josh McDaniel's fault. 332 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: They just didn't have weapons there. But if Gary Myers 333 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: said he had sources on this, do I think there's 334 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: tension with Brady and Josh McDaniels. I would be shocked 335 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: if there wasn't. But do I think that that would 336 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: be the reason why he would go I'm leaving. I 337 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: think it was a culmination of a lot of things, 338 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: and it had to do with having fun. If they 339 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: had better weapons, then your offensive coordinator is calling a 340 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: better game plan. Then Tom is having more fun. Then 341 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: you reduce the tension there. That's how simple it is. Well, 342 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: take a break. He wrote the book on Michael Jordan, 343 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: The Jordan Rules. Sam Smith, how's that relationships? Now? What's 344 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: he think of the documentary? We'll talk to Sam. Been 345 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: a while since I've spoken to him. It's twenty after 346 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 1: the hour. We'll get to your phone calls as well 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: here in The Dan Patrick Show after this. Thanks for 348 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 349 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern 350 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 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You know, 354 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: one of the fun parts of the documentary on the 355 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: Last Dance, the Jordan documentary with the Bulls is you're 356 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: seeing footage and you're seeing a lot of these people 357 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: that I saw pretty much every summer in May and 358 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: June where you'd see them when I'd be out there 359 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: with the Sports Center and you'd see the Chicago Bulls 360 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: playing against whoever Seattle or if it was Utah or 361 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Portland or the Lakers, whoever it would be. And one 362 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: of those people I always enjoy running into because he 363 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: always had something smart to say, something smart that he 364 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: was writing about. With Sam Smith, he wrote the book 365 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: The Jordan Rules. He also co authored Derrek Rose's autobiography, 366 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: All Show You, Bowls dot Com writer, longtime Bowls NBA 367 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: writer Sam, It's great to see you. Thanks for joining us. 368 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: How have you been I've been great. Then, good to 369 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: see you again. I see you're not an ESPN. Is 370 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: that right? Yes, I finally left. I'm glad you stayed 371 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: following my career. Sam. That's why you're a great reporter exact. 372 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: I think that was the point about being smart when 373 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: you were tell people what The Jordan Rules was about. 374 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of double untended in a sense, 375 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: and that was not covered in the documentary, not that 376 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: it should be either, but I was sort of a 377 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, a playoff the Pistons defense, which was essentially 378 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: a trapping defense when they finally realized, you know, we 379 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: can't play this guy. We've got great defenders Joe Dumars, Dennis, 380 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: and he's beating us all by himself. So we're going 381 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: to double team and triple team him and just guide 382 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: him to places on the floor for Jordan rules and well, 383 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: the Bulls Jordan rules and sometimes was and Phil Jackson 384 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: used to say a lot, you know, the pretty girl 385 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: gets kissed. You were around Phil a lot said, you know, 386 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: the Bulls had an internal rule. It was sort of 387 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: a joking thing internal rule at you know, if you 388 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: were sick, you had to come in see the trainer, 389 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: get treated, get medicine, go home. And when Jordan got sick, 390 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: the trainer went to his. So they were different Jordan rules. 391 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: But the book essentially was just supposed to be You're 392 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: really an innocent and simple diary of a season back then. 393 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: If you remember, you know Bird and Magic were the 394 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: NBA Isaiah. You know, it was about sharing, it was 395 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: about making players better. It wasn't about scoring. And the 396 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: notion was, well, Michael, you can't win with Michael. People 397 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: wrote that all the time, said, you know he's great, 398 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: he's a star. He's the MVP. We love why watching him, 399 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna have a winning team that way 400 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: because he scores too much. He doesn't involve his teammates. 401 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: So the Bulls are trying to get through the Pistons. 402 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: And I've been traveling with the team several years and thought, 403 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, I had had my dream job working for 404 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: a newspaper all really ever wanted. It was great fun. 405 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: And I see these guys have written books and written books, 406 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: and now I'm starting to meet him, and I go, well, 407 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: they're not so smart, and maybe I can do that too. 408 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: So David Halper's Dams Breaks in the Game about the 409 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: Blazers in the late seventies was always a really my 410 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: favorite basketball book because it was a story, you know, 411 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: beyond the game, about the people and the elements of 412 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: being a team together over the season. So I said, well, 413 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: maybe I'll do something like that in my spare time. 414 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: And you know, what's more important in life is, for 415 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: the most part, is well health these days, of course, 416 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: but being in the right place at the right time. 417 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: And I happened to be, you know, picked the season 418 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one instead of Jordan breaking his foot and 419 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: game three like he did at eighty six, eighty five, 420 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: eighty six, and the Bulls end up upsetting Portland doesn't 421 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: get there. They were the favored and they beat Magic 422 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: in the finals. And now I've got a diary of 423 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and the Bulls winning a title, which happens 424 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: to come out right about the time Jordan skips the 425 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: trip to the White House to go on a gambling 426 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: weekend with Slim Bull or in a bunch of this 427 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to him, you know, convicted, devited drug dealers and things. 428 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: So everything's going to blows up at once, this story, gambling, 429 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, and and I'm going, you know, 430 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: I was just saying, hey, I just wanted to peel 431 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: back the curtain a little bit, show you what a 432 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: season's like. Did Jordan know you were writing that book? 433 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they all knew. I had told guys this season. 434 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: And when I'm proud about the book, I mean, of 435 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: course it's taken thirty years. And now I've got validation 436 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: because Michael sort of copped to it now and said, yeah, 437 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: and I could be a jerk sometime, you know, because 438 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: back then it was well, little Michael is a perfect, 439 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, marketing figure. And he's up in the treehouse 440 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: to deliver the kids and Coca cola and with the 441 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: shoes and the kids are dancing and singing and be 442 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: like Mike, and well, how could he be like this? 443 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: You know, how could he say, you know, Horace Grant, 444 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: you can't eat today on the plane going home because 445 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: you played badly. Or you know, Bill Cartwright, don't throw 446 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: him the ball because he's got fifteen fingers. He won't 447 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: catch it and throw it to him. If you throw 448 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: it to him, I'm not throwing it to you. Michael 449 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't do those things. And so now, Michael, you know that. 450 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: To me, the been the great thing about the auto, 451 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: about the documentary, seeing him the way we saw him 452 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: in the eighties, you know, open and funny and challenging, 453 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: and these interviews have just been the best part of 454 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: it to me. And when did he change, Sam? It 455 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: was really in the early night obviously, the confluence of events, 456 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, the celebrity, the success, and now the controversies again. 457 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: You know, did a book to some extent, and I said, 458 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: I have been traveled them into the team several years 459 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: and told all the players and him too, before we 460 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: had a good relationship. I had played golf with him 461 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: and been around him a lot, and said, yeah, I'm 462 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: gonna write a book about the behind the scenes with 463 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: the team. But nobody's going to lose their job and 464 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: nobody's going to be embarrassed with their family. It's just 465 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: going to be what it's like. And that's what I 466 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: felt it was. Then with that, then the gambling thing 467 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: comes up. You know, he had skipped the trip to 468 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: the White House to do this. Imagine what that would 469 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: be like today, you know. And then you know, in 470 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: New York or in the playoffs, he's not going to 471 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: Atlantic City, or he goes to Atlantic City and New 472 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: York papers make a big fuss about it, which was 473 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: really a stupid story. But nevertheless, he's starting to feel 474 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: all these years and I've sat and talked with you 475 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: guys and being accommodating, and he really was. He was 476 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: the best guy in the league to deal with, or 477 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: a star maybe Magic, there's only one even close as 478 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: far as accommodating and friendly and open. And you know, 479 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: essentially from that point on he began to become reclusive 480 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: to the point. I mean when he once he retired 481 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: he's become this complete reclusive So I've really been surprised 482 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: he did the documentary. But again, he's so far out 483 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: ahead of all of us. You know that this thing 484 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: just becomes this icon. It's amazing what the documentary has become. Oh, 485 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: I think it's strategic. I thought it was brilliant marketing. 486 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: Sam on a couple of fronts. He's introducing himself to 487 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: a new generation, reintroducing himself to our generation. But he's 488 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: also sending a message to Lebron James and any of 489 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: his fans that, hey, you think Lebron is getting up 490 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: there near me. The fact that he agreed to do 491 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: this documentary on the day Lebron won the title with Cleveland, Sam, 492 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: that's not a coincidence. This is a It's a ten 493 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: hour reminder of just how great Michael Jordan is. Yeah, 494 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to say that not the case, but but 495 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: I actually think, right, how is your relationship with Jordan? Now, 496 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't really have relationships with the media people for 497 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: the most part, because you know, he doesn't have to. 498 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: He owns a team, he's a billionaire, and he just 499 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: built his own golf course. But once he came back 500 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: in ninety five, and you know, you see now with 501 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: the interviews, he said, I'm Michael Jordan. Nobody, you know, 502 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm sort of linked in a snowstorm at the end, 503 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: all of us are, you know. So I've run into 504 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: him a few times in Charlotte with the Bulls. You know, 505 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: still travel occasionally with the Bulls. I right on their 506 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: team website now. And he was great. One time a 507 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, saw him in Charlotte and he said, Hey, 508 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: I just got back. You know, it just came up 509 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: from Jupiter changing diapers today. That's whatever. Whatever. Maybe he was, 510 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't, but it sounded like a good story. 511 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: So he's you know, he's been good. He'd come, he'd 512 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: come around. But interesting thing is he never comes to 513 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: Chicago ever. Even at the All Star Game this year, 514 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: he never even came out and made an appearance. It 515 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: was remarkable. But maybe now with uh and the inther 516 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: thing when you said, with the timing, with the lebron 517 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: and everything, he's actually a figure for this era more 518 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: than any because you know, this is not an era 519 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: of depth. You know, this is an era if you know, 520 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: like success highlights, you know, and Mims however, Prett penn 521 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: ounce At and he sort of fits perfectly into this 522 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: because he's you know, he's he's well spoken, good looking, 523 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, and and comes up with hot takes all 524 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: the time. He's like, he's like evolved perfectly into this era. 525 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: What did the documentary not capture? If you're gonna have 526 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: one one item, Yeah, it's you know, to me, it's 527 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: sort of like based on a true story. You know, 528 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: like you see a lot of these movies. I think 529 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I think everything they're talking about basically happened, but elements 530 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: of it yet yet over you know, get forgotten about. 531 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: You know, like like when he provoked the Pistons into 532 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: that walkout, Uh, he really did. They were up three 533 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: out of bulls and he went to practice the day before. 534 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: I remember sitting there and he just eviscerates this two 535 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: time champion, three time finals team as unworthy, shouldn't be 536 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: a champion, you know, the NBA should take away their trophies. 537 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: And that's really what motivated them to do this. It 538 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: wasn't this walkout that you know, this revisionist history the 539 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: Pistons came up with later and uh, you know, you know, 540 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: I've also loved the you know, the Seinfeld Festivals thing 541 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: where he's airing of all his grudges still thirty years later, 542 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, Krause and Isaiah and everybody you know making 543 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: fun of Gary Payton. How dare anyone challenged me? It's 544 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: been amazing stuff. It's been. It's been just great stuff 545 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, and it's it's you're right. It is 546 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: based off a true story because Michael's team is helping 547 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: produce this, and Michael gets the last word with everything, 548 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, So it's I look, I enjoy it because 549 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: it's a chan to let people in, you know, the 550 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: window into our world back then, Sam, when it was 551 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: pretty crazy following the bulls, you did it every day. 552 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: I was there for the finals, and as I told 553 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: people back then and remind them now, Michael every NBA 554 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: finals that I was there for ESPN, he would tell 555 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: the PR guy Tim Hallam and he would say, Tim 556 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: would come in. He say, Mike's not going to do 557 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: after every win. He'll do it after every championship. You know, 558 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: once we win the championship, he'll come in and he's 559 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: going to do the interview with Young Sports Center. I 560 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: mean that was magical. I was so lucky that I 561 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: was there to help document that, and you know, forever 562 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: indebted to ESPN allowing me to have that moment, to 563 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: capture that with Michael Jordan. Whether I have a relationship 564 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: or you know, he likes me or didn't want me 565 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: in the documentary, I couldn't care less. I was there 566 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: to see that upfront personal and you know that was magical, 567 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: really was. It was a magical, magical time. Yeah, you know, 568 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: when you're going through history, you know, and it's your 569 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: day to day life, you don't sort of realize that, 570 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't at the Gettysburg address, not sure 571 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: after that, but I'm sure those people you know in 572 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: Gettysburg listening to Lincoln going, well, you know, they're not 573 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: thinking two hundred years from now, people are gonna be 574 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: talking about this and asking me where I was. But 575 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, and that's what it was. We're running into 576 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: the airport. We're trying to catch the next plane, get 577 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: to the next spot. You know. But also reminds me 578 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned Tim Hallen with that reminds me of what 579 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: it was like with Michael, because even before, just before 580 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: the championships, we'll be traveling and everybody wanted to see him, 581 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: and you see a lot of these, you know, after 582 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: the game, celebrities and fairy sign felt around and whoever. 583 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: So we were in Washington one time and somebody come 584 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: in and said it to him about this queen from 585 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: some European country or something wanted to see Michael. And 586 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: they came in and Michael City was busy being taped 587 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, and Tim said, Hey, there's a queen in 588 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: every city. We don't worry. Do you realize this? Sam? 589 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody ever did a story on this, 590 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: and maybe you could tell me if it's true or not. 591 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: Every time I interviewed Jordan after he won a title, 592 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: every single time he had his shoes off, and Tim 593 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Hallam had him with him, and I remember Tim saying 594 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: that Michael always promised me his shoes and I'm good. 595 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: A guess Tim has six pairs of Michael Jordan's shoes 596 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: from when he won those six titles. Did you ever 597 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: hear this now? Actually, Michael used to give away the 598 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: shoes all the time. You know, he wore a different 599 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: pair of sneakers at every game he played in his 600 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: entire career. But this is the NBA Finals clising game, 601 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: I know that if Tim's got those, I'm gonna check 602 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: that out. But I'm surprised he's still working. If he's 603 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: got those, that's an investment. Yeah, Tim's got a new house. 604 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: I think he paid for it in shoes there. But yeah, 605 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: Mike would come in her tail out drenching champagne Cuban cigar, 606 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: and Tim Hollam would be behind him with his shoes. 607 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: He would One time he said, Mike, take off your 608 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: shoes and he Mike took all his shoes before he 609 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: did the interview with us and gave him to Tim. 610 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: And I think that was what Tim. That's all he 611 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: ever asked from Michael was can I have your shoes 612 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: after we win the championships? And that's a big it's 613 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: actually a big ask. What do you think those would get? These? 614 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah I don't Michael, Michael Jordan's signed 615 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: shoes Game warn championship shoes. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, I 616 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: gotta because Tim is still working for the Bulls in 617 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: the same job, and he dresses very modest. It's a 618 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: smart movie. He doesn't want to let anybody read between 619 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: the lines there. Uh, it's great to talk to you, 620 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: Sam and I met when I said, I enjoyed all 621 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: of those years being able to be out there in Chicago, 622 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: the wonderful members of the media for the most part, 623 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: and uh, just you're right, and you know, I look 624 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: back and I'm reminded that we got to chronicle history 625 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: and we got to be around, you know, somebody that 626 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: we will never be around again in our lifetime. Yeah, 627 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: it was great fun. It was good to see you again. 628 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: And hopefully if there's another great documentary, I'll get on 629 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: your show. Thank you, Sam. That's Sam Smith, the author 630 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: of The Jordan Rules. Also he wrote the Derreck Rose Whay. 631 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 1: He co wrote that Derek Rose All show you. That's 632 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: available on Triumphbooks dot Com, Amazon, Bards and Noble, and 633 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: through your local independent bookstore. Yeah. He's really a funny guy, 634 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: a sharp guy. But when he's saying, you know you're there, 635 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, when Lincoln's given that speech and you're going, 636 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, this four score thing seems like pretty good. 637 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: Two hundred years from now, they're gonna be talking about this. Yeah, Paul, 638 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: what would you guys think a pair of Michael Jordan's 639 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: shoes from an NBA Finals game clinching game would go 640 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: for just top of your head, because I have some numbers. 641 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: Let me take a break. We'll come back, okay, can 642 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: we Fritzie, can you reach out to Tim Hollim. I 643 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: may I may have shared some out of school secrets there. 644 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: I'll check with your first. All right, thought maybe he 645 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: was going to give it to some se a special 646 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: kid or something like that. But if he's, if he 647 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: hung on to all those that, let's don't let's don't 648 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: guild him into doing stocking. I just remember him getting 649 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: Michael's shoes. Isn't that weird? I think the things you remember? 650 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back after this. Thanks for listening 651 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch 652 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six 653 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can 654 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream 655 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: us live every day at YouTube dot com slash The 656 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show. Before the break, I told the story 657 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: of the PR director Tim Hallam of the Chicago Bulls, 658 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: and I remember that Tim would get Michael Jordan's shoes 659 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: after they'd win a championship. And I remember specifically that 660 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: he had a pair he had Michael took them off 661 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: before he did a Sports Center interview. Pauli said, what 662 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: do you think those shoes are worth? If I looked 663 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: at all six championships, how much are those Michael Jordan's 664 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: shoes worth Eddie wore when they clinched the champions What 665 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: would you guess per pair. I've done a little research 666 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: and I've gotten a baseline from a memorabilia person for 667 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: one pair of those game used Michael Jordan NBA Final 668 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: shoes one hundred thousand. That would be low, but you're 669 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: you're in the neighborhood. A pair of his shoes, Michael 670 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: Jordan's shoes from the Flu game twenty from we were 671 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: sold in twenty thirteen for one hundred and four thousand, 672 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: they said. Memorabila, I got to said the timing of it. Now, 673 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: if you had a pair of Jordan's shoes shoes right 674 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: now and put them up, you'd really be capitalizing on 675 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: the hotness of him. And what's going on now? He said, 676 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: you're looking at a buck fifty, okay. And I don't 677 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: know if Tim Fritzie. Did you reach out to Tim Hallam? 678 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: I sure did, very curious to see what his response 679 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: is going to be to that maybe you can join 680 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: us tomorrow because I and I don't know how much 681 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: Tim has been interviewed in this, but but Tim probably 682 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: has a treasure trove of stories. Yes, for Tea, if 683 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: money was no object, you wouldn't spend two fifty even 684 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars for a pair of his, especially 685 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: if he wore in the final minutes of one of 686 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: those championship clinching games. Well, who said that money. I'm shocked. 687 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm shocked that it's only like that's only would be 688 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: one one fifty of those six incheships that someone wouldn't 689 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: spend a lot more for one of his game one 690 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: shoes from a clinching championship game. Well, you only pay 691 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: what you have to pay. You don't go now. I 692 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: don't want to pay one hundred and fifty. I'm gonna 693 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: pay two hundred and fifty, So up to me, I 694 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: think it would be worth two hundred fifty, three hundred 695 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yeah, it's just kind of weird where that's 696 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: a piece of art where you know, you got your 697 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: famous paintings over here and then you got to pair 698 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: of sneakers over here. But hey, I look at my studio, 699 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: look at my man cave. This is what I've collected 700 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: over the last thirty years. Yes, Heaton, did you see 701 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: that they have an auction going up soon. I don't 702 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: think it happened yet, but where they have. One of 703 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: the items that they have is Kurt Cobain's acoustic guitar 704 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: from that MTV Unplugged performance. They're selling that and they're 705 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: estimating that to go for over a million dollars. That's crazy. Yeah, 706 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: but guitars go for crazy money. Yeah that. I don't 707 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: know if anything else goes for crazy money in the 708 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: rock and roll world, but but guitars, it feels like 709 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: that's a cool thing because you can display a guitar 710 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: like a drum set, a drum kit. You can't come 711 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: at it on the wall. Keith Moon's drum Kid from 712 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: The Who, and you go, oh, it's on the wall. 713 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: Guitars you can put them up on the wall. Yeah, McLevin, 714 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: would you update the poll results? Okay? They put up 715 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: who do you think will be the MVP of the 716 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: next NFL season. It's a runaway. Patrick Mahomes is destroying everybody. 717 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson second at the top of the next hour 718 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: in about ten minutes now, Fritzie, I'm gonna tell you 719 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: just so you're prepared. So if I come to you 720 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: and to go, Todd, who are you in? Made all 721 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,959 Speaker 1: sleep on you? The other day? I felt terrible about 722 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: Believe me, I was not prepared. Did you literally fall 723 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: asleep on me? I didn't literally fall My eyes were open. 724 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: It's hard to fall sleep with your eyes open. But 725 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: I gave the impression I was paying attention, and obviously 726 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: my head must have been somewhere else. How can I 727 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: expect the audience to do this if you're not paying attention? 728 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: I hung out to dry and I should have been 729 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: prepared and I wasn't. I'm gonna make it up to 730 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: you this time. You're going to make it up to me. 731 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,959 Speaker 1: I've been I've been staring at these odds since before 732 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: the show had been started. Just in case you're going 733 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: to ask this question. Thank you to You're welcome, Uh 734 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 1: Scott in Iowa? Hey Scott, what do you have for me? Hey? Dan? 735 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: Love your show? Thank you. I think Dak Prescott is 736 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: just like Danny White. He's great, he's good, but he 737 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: ain't gonna get there and uh, well you do the coronavirus. 738 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: Listen to country music by Ken Burns. All right, well, 739 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: thank you Scott. Yeah, anything ken Burns does, I love 740 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: does a great job. I did love that line by 741 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: Sam Smith when he said, you know it's it's a documentary. 742 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: It's based off a true story. That's that's really That 743 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: was sneaky good. Yeah, what do you think of it? Oh, 744 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,959 Speaker 1: it's based off a true story. We're going to talk 745 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: to the commissioner of the PAC twelve, Larry Scott, in 746 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: the final hour. Now, what's the rules here, PAULI. We 747 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: each get two MVP selections, Snake draft two choices. Is 748 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: there any punishment involved in this? We could always find something. Yeah, 749 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: I need to have something at stake. I love competition.