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Speaker 1: The two best teams in the National Football League representing

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Speaker 1: the best division in football, will decide the conference. Here

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Speaker 1: in Act three, Welcome to an NFC Championship edition of

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Speaker 1: Between the Horns.

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Speaker 2: JB.

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Speaker 1: Long, DeMarco Farr and Maurice Jones drew back with you.

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Speaker 1: Rams and Seahawks this season separated by a point, Wow,

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Speaker 1: by a yard, and both their games came down to

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Speaker 1: the final snap. Here we go again.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It's it's so weird when you go back. I guess

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Speaker 3: to that Thursday night in Seattle, what was lost there?

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Speaker 3: Or I guess what we were talking about after that game,

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Speaker 3: and then here we are again, getting ready to go

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Speaker 3: back and you had to to fight your way to

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Speaker 3: get it. Awesome job by the Rams. That's one of

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Speaker 3: those things where you can tell your friends. I call

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Speaker 3: that a rocking chair game. That's one you'll tell you'll

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Speaker 3: tell stories about when you're an old person talking to

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Speaker 3: your teammates. Remember that time we got in a fight

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Speaker 3: in Chicago when we came out on top. That stuff

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Speaker 3: will build you going forward. But like you said, a

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Speaker 3: lot of players on both sides very physical. Now you've

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Speaker 3: got to do it again going into Seattle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that Thursday night game was very important

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Speaker 4: and there's never really moral victories. But if you remember that,

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Speaker 4: like the Rams had to learn how to rewin again,

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Speaker 4: how to kind of come back together. Right, you had

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Speaker 4: that great stretch where they were winning games. Stafford was hot,

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Speaker 4: and then you stumble in Carolina and then you get

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Speaker 4: and the game was won, but you had lost it.

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Speaker 2: You let it.

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Speaker 4: I think they lost it more than the Seahawks won it.

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Speaker 4: And then you had to relearn how to win. And

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Speaker 4: a lot of times it reminds me that no win

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Speaker 4: November where you had to learn, you had to relearn

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Speaker 4: how to win and how to come together. And it

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Speaker 4: thought of the Arizona Cardinals game in Week eighteen, where

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Speaker 4: was a couple of plays that help you get over

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what, those couple.

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Speaker 4: Of plays kind of red their head in Chicago. Right,

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Speaker 4: you're winning the game, Caleb does this crazy stuff and

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Speaker 4: to that and find a way to figure out how

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Speaker 4: to win again. And so it kind of makes the

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Speaker 4: core of the team and what you're built with and

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Speaker 4: what you're made with show up, and so you know,

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Speaker 4: those things were necessary.

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Speaker 1: On this edition, between the Horns preview and the NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game, we'll dive deep on the coaching matchup, the

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Speaker 1: quarterback show down, what needs to happen. The rams are

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Speaker 1: on offense, defense, and special teams. But let's clean up Chicago,

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Speaker 1: a game that probably doesn't have a whole lot to

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Speaker 1: of all the different factors, especially mother nature. But I've

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Speaker 1: got at least one thing to clean up. And I

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Speaker 1: won't rope you guys into this, but I know on

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Speaker 1: this show last week, I said the offense needs to

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Speaker 1: boy was I wrong, because it was the other way around.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Chris Shula and Cam Curl and Kinchins

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Speaker 1: and Spates and Durant and do you will and Poona

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Speaker 3: Ty Hamilton, the guys that play like twenty five snaps.

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Speaker 3: It can't be just you're a placeholder. Now you got

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Speaker 3: to do your job. But I was thinking about this

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Speaker 3: thousand times on the halftime adjustments. Just keep making them

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Speaker 3: snap it. That last drive was the very definition of that.

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Speaker 3: Keep making them snap it. I guarantee you he'll get frustrated.

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Speaker 3: You put him in a second and eight and he

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Speaker 3: Very simplistic. Everybody run to the football, that type of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for me, you know, Sean coming out

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Speaker 4: the defense did lights out. You talk about making him

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Speaker 4: There was huge, But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: I think it was about finding away.

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Speaker 2: You said you said that at half.

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Speaker 4: The halftime adjustment was we're gonna find a way to

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Speaker 4: think Stafford said it best too. It's like, yeah, you

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Speaker 4: and I probably didn't play the best game, but I

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Speaker 1: You listened to the miked up versions and you could

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Speaker 1: with one right. They knew that their defense in their

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Speaker 1: I heard Sean say that it was largely because of mistakes,

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Speaker 3: This is so funny thinking about that, and it's when

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Speaker 3: of the time. If you execute that play, it's in

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Speaker 2: So I get it. But in a real time.

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Speaker 3: Game time situation, when you miss now it's a third

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Speaker 3: Caleb and the only reason that was a game on

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Speaker 3: I mean, you took him the fourth down. There's no

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Speaker 3: of those plays were right on, you just missed him.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you look at the all twenty two and

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Speaker 1: the secondary, and mother nature to gamble on the fact

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Speaker 4: The history of Sean McVay when he struggled in games,

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Speaker 4: it goes all the way back to twenty sixteen against

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Speaker 4: If you look at that game plan, if you look

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Speaker 2: That's pretty much what he ran. Right.

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Speaker 4: You're like, matthel like, you should run the ball, and

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Speaker 4: these situations. But when you're blitzing, the answers nowhere to go,

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Speaker 4: I think, Dennis Allen, when you go back and look

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Speaker 4: just it just ends up those guys starting a difference

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Speaker 4: And so to me, I thought the Rams had answers.

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Speaker 4: I thought there were some execution problems. But like I said,

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Speaker 2: And that's what this game is about.

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Speaker 4: You can play one hundred and sixty snaps and it's

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Speaker 3: Which means you'll probably see it a lot and Seattle.

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Speaker 1: The common theme. I don't know if weather will be

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Speaker 4: All that all that comes into to play and that's

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Speaker 4: down to like three plays. He's always telling us this

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Speaker 2: You know what else? Is tough? Now you gotta do

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Speaker 4: Yeah again, and in a louder environment.

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Speaker 1: A couple other thoughts on Chicago. Pooka proved to me

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Speaker 2: Does that make I mean that was last week too,

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Speaker 1: It's every week all year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I wish, I wish.

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Speaker 3: I love listening to you guys, but I wish I

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Speaker 3: The more hits I give you, the weaker you get,

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Speaker 3: keep popping up, the more I demoralize you. That type

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Speaker 3: of stuff, and that helps out your QB, that helps

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Speaker 3: That type of stuff, Yeah, I'm right there.

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Speaker 1: Or when you lead Jay Witt to a chunk player

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Speaker 1: Right the week prior he scores two touchdowns and saves

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Speaker 1: the game playing defensive back. Yes, this week, completely different complexion,

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Speaker 4: I would I would have definitely kicked the ball because

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Speaker 1: I think the safe thing or the consensust thing to

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Speaker 4: Better than I'm glad they did that. Like I said,

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Speaker 4: But it's just that the course that the way that

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Speaker 4: How does like that that normally doesn't happen, right because

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Speaker 3: Enough to fight against your instincts as a coach, I

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Speaker 1: Just by say, dropping from fourteen to the forty and

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Speaker 1: You I remembered you said that pregame, is like, that's

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for Ben Johnson for this. In this respect,

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Speaker 3: It really is, it really is. He thinks he can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that Almost Rather have the tape that

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Speaker 4: Right now, that's like another three years in his head

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Speaker 1: the Rams don't have to got to beat them twice

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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarters. Yeah, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: that punt return goes and then you know, I'm trying

440
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Speaker 4: to get back in the stadium. I'm trying to sneak

441
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Speaker 4: in and and the momentum came back. And so if

442
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Speaker 4: you're the Rams, you're going in unlike any other team

443
00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 4: because you've had success there this year, and you're going

444
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Speaker 4: in with the confidence that, hey, if we can execute

445
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Speaker 4: and we can keep playing and not let off the

446
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Speaker 4: gas a little.

447
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Speaker 2: Bit or not let up, it's gonna be good.

448
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Speaker 4: And I think on the other side of Seattle saying

449
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Speaker 4: like like let's let's let's not remember or let's remember

450
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Speaker 4: that like they were wearing us out for a little

451
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Speaker 4: bit and we had to make this miraculous comeback as well.

452
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Speaker 2: So I just see.

453
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Speaker 4: I think both teams are talent wise evenly matched up.

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Speaker 2: The Rams are a little beat up in that game.

455
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Speaker 4: Though, if we remember, you lost Katott, who actually did

456
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 4: really well in this game. Devonte didn't play in this game.

457
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Speaker 4: Quintin Lake wasn't in that one in this one as well,

458
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Speaker 4: So the Rams being healthier gives them a great opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they'd said the same in their secondary with

460
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Speaker 1: some defensive backs that ye snaps in that game. But

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Speaker 1: you know, let's give Seattle their flowers, right. They hired

462
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Speaker 1: a defensive coach a couple of years ago. Not many

463
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Speaker 1: teams are doing that. They changed offensive coordinator and quarterback

464
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Speaker 1: after one year. Those were hard choices to make. They

465
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Speaker 1: traded away Dk metcalf. I don't think many people this

466
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Speaker 1: summer saw Seattle as the Super Bowl favorite like they are.

467
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Speaker 1: I'll even said they signed Cooper Cup playing great for them.

468
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Speaker 1: So let's dig into the coaching matchup Ben Johnson and

469
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Speaker 1: Sean McVay. I think the reasons the Rams have to

470
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Speaker 1: be confident is they've got the best thank you McDonald,

471
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald donald, Ben Johnson can't get him out of

472
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Speaker 1: my memory bank. Reason to be confident, Rams have the

473
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Speaker 1: most accomplished coach and quarterback in the field. So let's

474
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Speaker 1: start with the coaches. There's a challenger to his mantle,

475
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Speaker 1: right right, coming for his crown. Mike is a direct response,

476
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Speaker 1: I think to the Shanahan McVeigh rain in this division

477
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Speaker 1: of this NFC West Sean turns forty on Saturday, Happy birthday.

478
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Speaker 1: Less need by the way, but I'll turn it over

479
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Speaker 1: you guys. This is a an offensive play calling head

480
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Speaker 1: coach matchup against a defensive play calling.

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Speaker 3: When you think head coach, it is a great hire

482
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Speaker 3: by Seattle when you think about what's in this division,

483
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Speaker 3: because you're gonna have to stop somebody to win it.

484
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Speaker 3: Great coach. I think they are led by their defense.

485
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Speaker 3: That's kind of the tip of the spear there. And

486
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Speaker 3: it's really hard going back to just you play them

487
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Speaker 3: three times. You have to just look at him from

488
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Speaker 3: a one game playoff what they did last week, and

489
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Speaker 3: they absolutely, you know, smack San Francisco arounds. So there's

490
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Speaker 3: a lot of things that you're gonna have to worry

491
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Speaker 3: about whenever they can tuck in that quarterback. And I've

492
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Speaker 3: been saying this since the playoff started. Tucking that quarterback

493
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Speaker 3: behind the run game, you've got some issues because it's

494
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Speaker 3: hard to get him out of that, and they did

495
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Speaker 3: that with Sam Donald. They brought down the dragon, so

496
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Speaker 3: to speak, with the run game and let him be

497
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Speaker 3: the slayer with the arm. So what you have to

498
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Speaker 3: do is you got to force him to win the game.

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Speaker 2: Number one.

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Speaker 3: You gotta take what you did versus Carolina versus Chicago

501
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Speaker 3: and then do it to Seattle. Take away the run

502
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Speaker 3: game and put it back into on the shoulder of

503
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Speaker 3: Sam Donald there. But McDonald is a great coach. He

504
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Speaker 3: understands this. He understands what his team is. So he's

505
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Speaker 3: gonna be telling his guys the same thing. I think

506
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Speaker 3: they're going to try to win it on defense. If

507
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Speaker 3: you can somehow find a way to limit the rams

508
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Speaker 3: and keep them out of the end zone, you don't

509
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Speaker 3: need that many points. But it's up to Matthew Stafford

510
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Speaker 3: in the offense to keep the pressure on Sam Donald

511
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Speaker 3: and help with that. Because this defense, I think we

512
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Speaker 3: get what it is now. It's pass rush us to die.

513
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: It's knocked the quarterback down. If the ball gets out,

514
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 3: chances are it's going to be caught. So both teams

515
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Speaker 3: have their flaws. It's just who can cover up there's

516
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Speaker 3: the best. I think that's where his genius lies, because

517
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Speaker 3: they have a strict adherents and offense and what they're

518
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Speaker 3: trying to do and what they're trying not to do,

519
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Speaker 3: and they just will not come out of it unless

520
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Speaker 3: they have to. So I think that's a mark of

521
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Speaker 3: his great coaching. And like you said, we'll see which

522
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Speaker 3: guy can stay with the game plan long enough.

523
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Speaker 1: Started by saying the two best teams in the NFL

524
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Speaker 1: by point differential in the NFC clearly one ninety one,

525
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Speaker 1: one seventy two to the positive for the Seahawks and

526
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Speaker 1: the Rams. The next closest team was Detroit all the

527
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Speaker 1: way down at sixty eight. So these were the two

528
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Speaker 1: worthy teams playing last in the NFC. McDonald's probably going

529
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Speaker 1: to be the NFL coach of the year. Do you

530
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Speaker 1: think that's?

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Speaker 2: I do?

532
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Speaker 4: And it's funny because if you look at what he

533
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Speaker 4: talked about him firing a offensive coordinator and then he

534
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Speaker 4: hires a guy that runs the exact same offense. The

535
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Speaker 4: Rams runs the sac same offensive Niner runs, right, and

536
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Speaker 4: he's like, we're gonna practice against this because these are

537
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Speaker 4: the two teams that we.

538
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Speaker 2: Have to face in our division.

539
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Speaker 4: We're gonna practice and we're gonna run this offense, because

540
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: this offense is what's running the NFL right now. This

541
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Speaker 4: is the offense that everyone's looking to run. If you

542
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Speaker 4: look at all the coaching hires, everyone's trying to get

543
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Speaker 4: a piece of these offenses in the NFC West. Very

544
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Speaker 4: smarter than one quarterback wise, you're saying, look, Sam Darnold

545
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Speaker 4: was with this oc in San Francisco. We saw him

546
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Speaker 4: have success in this offense in Minnesota. If we can

547
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Speaker 4: emulate a little bit of that, that allow our defense

548
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Speaker 4: to go out there and do the things we need

549
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Speaker 4: to do. And so I think it was he was

550
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Speaker 4: playing chess more than checkers in that situation because he

551
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Speaker 4: gets to practice against this offense. He knows the ins

552
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 4: and out, he knows where he's weak defensively, but also

553
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: he knows his defense is really good. The Leonard Williams

554
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: signing is huge, obviously Byron Murphy what he's doing now,

555
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 4: like signing DeMarcus Lawrence right leaving Dallas, like being trading

556
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 4: for Shaheed, Yeah, trading for Shaheed are those are big.

557
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: That was probably the biggest move this year, But a

558
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: lot of those moves were built for him to learn

559
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 4: how to stop these offenses and you're seeing the fruit

560
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 4: of his labor and his ideas that are coming to

561
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 4: fruition now. But the thing about McDonald that I love

562
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Speaker 4: most is that he empowers his players. Sean does the

563
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Speaker 4: same thing that they empower their players to go out

564
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: and be who they are. When when Ernest Jones says,

565
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 4: after Sam Donald throws foreigners against the Rams, like, we

566
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: don't care like Sam, be you like I'm the opposite

567
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Speaker 4: because I care, you know what I mean, I wouldn't

568
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Speaker 4: be I'd like, yo, we can't tear the ball over.

569
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Speaker 4: But when they have that trust and ability in their guys,

570
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: you see it. And so to me, that's what makes

571
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Speaker 4: him the coach of the Year is that even with

572
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 4: Sam's flaws and the turnles that he has in games,

573
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Speaker 4: they still find ways to win and there's still a

574
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Speaker 4: really good team and they don't take Sam away from

575
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Speaker 4: being Sam. Still be aggressive, still make those throws because

576
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: he's gonna make one or two throws. You're like, oh

577
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: my goodness, Like what was it? Like second and nineteen

578
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: he throws a corner to Cooper Cup against the Niners

579
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 4: and it's like twenty one yards, but he put that

580
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: thing on a laser right behind between the safety and

581
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: the corner. So it's like, yeah, he's gonna make those

582
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: throws and you're gonna have to live with the good

583
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 4: and the bad, and we're okay with that. And so

584
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: to me, that's what makes them so dangerous. Where a

585
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: lot of teams.

586
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: Are the opposite.

587
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Speaker 4: A lot of defensive coaches are saying, no, don't turn

588
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: the football over, let's run the football, let's let's control

589
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Speaker 4: the ball.

590
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: We'll win it. On defense, he said, no, be aggressive

591
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Speaker 2: on offense.

592
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Speaker 4: Make do your thing, call your plays, be who you are,

593
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Speaker 4: and we'll cover up if we need to.

594
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Speaker 2: I could be Seattle. Throw to eleven, right, you get

595
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Speaker 2: it off to nine, you go right there.

596
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was well said more recent and part of

597
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Speaker 1: the reason I wanted to start with the coaches in

598
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Speaker 1: this matchup is because they're the architects, right, they set

599
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: the tone, they drop the game plan, but they also

600
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Speaker 1: hold the pen. And when you were describing the handful

601
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Speaker 1: of plays that decided Rams Bears, if history repeats itself

602
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: in ram Seahawks, that's going to be the case again

603
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Speaker 1: this Sunday. And so that's where fourth down decisions and

604
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: clock management and time management have the power to earn

605
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Speaker 1: you and extra play, if not possession, and I think

606
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Speaker 1: that's where the coaches have to be letter perfect. I

607
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Speaker 1: think that's where they can guide their team to the

608
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Let's face it. To go back to Ben Johnson,

609
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Speaker 1: I think he aired with his timeouts on top of

610
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Speaker 1: the two minute warning in Chicago, and the RAM did

611
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Speaker 1: not take that opportunity. Third down and ten to win

612
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Speaker 1: the game with two oh seven on the clock and

613
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Speaker 1: you run it into the two minute timeout. I think

614
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Speaker 1: that was a missed opportunity, just like just like to

615
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: be at the fifty, Chicago's a ball at the fifty

616
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Speaker 1: and you get it back with thirteen seconds and two

617
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Speaker 1: timeouts left. I think there was another way to deploy

618
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Speaker 1: your resources to give your team a chance, and if

619
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Speaker 1: that opportunity presents itself this Sunday, one of those coaches,

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Speaker 1: if not both, have to be letter perfect to give

621
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Speaker 1: their team a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree. Yeah, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: There's a It's just it's hard in that moment, right

624
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Speaker 4: And I think that's the hardest part because when you're

625
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 4: in it. I remember Dirk Cutter, my old doc, and

626
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: Jackson used to talk about calling plays on the sidelines

627
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 4: and how there's so much emotion going I'm mind you,

628
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: I'm twenty two, so I have no idea what he's

629
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: talking about. But he's like, there's so much emotion going

630
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: on and people are yelling and screaming and coaching and

631
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: all this, and I have to dial in and call

632
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: the play. As a head coach, now on you have

633
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: to dial in and call the play. You have to

634
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: know the situation. You have to be able to be,

635
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: like you said, letter perfect with all this chaos going

636
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: around you. It's it's such a it's such a tough situation.

637
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: But both coaches have it because they both call the

638
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: plays yep, right. McDonald calls on defense. M Sean calls

639
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: it on offense, and so it's it's it's very unique,

640
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: I think now, and it's it's a it's a trend

641
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 4: that a lot of coaches are going to But I

642
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: feel like someone has to be in his ear to

643
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: kind of help him through that, because if you're asking

644
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: him to do all that, it's it's it's unfair right

645
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 4: to be letter perfect in the situation on how to

646
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: call it, call the perfect play with all this chaos

647
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: going around understanding the down and distance, what they want

648
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: to do, how they want to do it. Like that's

649
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 4: I don't care how good you are. That that's just

650
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 4: a tough that's a very tough thing.

651
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: It's football, man, I mean, it's decisions.

652
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: It's how you decide to play Caleb Williams when he's

653
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: on the move on a boot, Yeah, do I attack

654
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: him upfield? Or do I go for a sack? You

655
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's all that stuff. When you

656
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: were describing that, the first guy that came to mind

657
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: was you guys. Remember Charlie Garner. Yeah, okay, I misplayed

658
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: and he hit one like a scalded dog, and I

659
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: just kind of dove out because I am dead wrong

660
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: on this, and I caught his foot and got him

661
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: down for a plus five. He should have been a sixty.

662
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, my god, did I get lucky on that.

663
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: I'll never do it again. So everybody has to make

664
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: those choices. So you do the best job you can

665
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: in the moment, and then you try to live on

666
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: the rest. But I am with you, that's one of

667
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: the things. On both sides. I bet they wrote down

668
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: next time, I may go for two here next time,

669
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: I may try to freeze the kicker on that and

670
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: not just have a walk into a, you know, an

671
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: easy field goal to beat us. Same thing with Sean McVay.

672
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: He said it right after the game. I think I

673
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: may have to come up with a better play in

674
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: that situation, in that moment. That's the best thing you did.

675
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: And we're gonna live on the results. No matter what

676
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: play you send in, you're gonna have to believe in

677
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: it and trust on it. Like I said, regardless of result,

678
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: I still trust the instincts of that coach. He's trying

679
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: to win the game. Now, it didn't work, let's try.

680
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: Something else the next time. But I trust his instincts

681
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: in those moments because.

682
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: He's got the quarterback who can make it right no

683
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: matter what. Let's go there next. Because the next most

684
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: influential pairing Sam Darnold and Matthew Stafford, and again a

685
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: reason for the Rams to be confident they've got the

686
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: best quarterback in this game and in this field. And

687
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: that's why this feels like such a monumental moment and opportunity.

688
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: There's no MVP left besides for Matthew Stafford. Perhaps mahomes

689
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: out Lamar out, Allan out, Stidham in. Yeah, not to

690
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: look back anyone or anything, but you're one of the

691
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: final four and you got Matthew staff It's.

692
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Time, bro, it's time. It's time. It's time to go

693
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: out and take that game over.

694
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: And like Caleb made magic happened on fourth down, Stafford

695
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: is the same, except he's not gonna run.

696
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: He's gonna do it with his arm.

697
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: But it's time and you're gonna need to make those

698
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: king moves on that chess board you were talking about,

699
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: because Seattle's gonna bring it and they've got a lot

700
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: of headhunters out there. So just these little subtle moves

701
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: you were playing against the entire defense. You have to

702
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: do what Perdy failed to do. You can't let yourself

703
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: be sacked. No matter what, you can't let yourself be

704
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 3: taken down by them, because that's what they want and

705
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: it gives them energy. If you keep getting out of

706
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: these traps they set for you and picking up first downs,

707
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: you'll wear them out. You'll start to get in here.

708
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: And that's the game. It's him versus them, right, it's

709
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: him versus that crowd. The better he plays, the quieter

710
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: it gets and the more doubt you put in their heads,

711
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: it's time, like you said, for him to make that

712
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: big leap.

713
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: I would say professional because in that Chicago game, only

714
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: a professional is gonna make that throw to Devonte Adams.

715
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 4: Soone that's confident. I mean, those throws weren't where they

716
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: needed to be all game. And that one throw at

717
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: the end of the thing, was it the overtime throw

718
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: to DeVante where you put that thing on the sideline,

719
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: you can't step into it, and it gets there and

720
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 4: he a guy that had a couple of targets only

721
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: one catch before that is able to catch the ball

722
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: and get both feet in the ground. That's what That's

723
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: the that's the epitome of being a professional.

724
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: From the opposite hash against your feet.

725
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: Yes, but that's but that's professionalism, right because see this kids,

726
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: But it's not even that, it's just the way that

727
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: game was going. Most guys would shy away from that throw,

728
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Most guys would be like

729
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: a like, I don't have that.

730
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: It's not it's not here today.

731
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: But all the work that you've put in, all the

732
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 4: confidence you have in your abilities, and then then your

733
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: your guys to make that throw and it get it.

734
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: That's the difference because and I think that's always been

735
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: the difference with Matthew. The difference with Matthew Stafford is

736
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't shy away from Yeah,

737
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: he doesn't shy away from the trying to make the

738
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: throws that need to be made, where Like I've played

739
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: with some quarterbacks and I've seen quarterbacks in this league

740
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 4: that will be like like, nah, it's yeah, it's not

741
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: working for me today. I don't want to put us

742
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: in a bad situation. He's like, oh, no, it's working.

743
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: Like it might not have been working. It's still gone though,

744
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna make this throw. And so those type

745
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: of things matter because we were talking about on the broadcast,

746
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: like for Davonte to not have the targets and the

747
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: catches and the things that you want and then you

748
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: come up with two of the biggest catches that the

749
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: Rams need to take the lead, and then obviously to

750
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: go in and overtime and to move the chains. That's

751
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: hard for a receiver to do. You we could talk

752
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: about aj Brown against the Philadelphia against I think did

753
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: you two passes that all those passing drops because he

754
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: wasn't getting targeted, and then is he got in his head?

755
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: And so that's that's just the difference. And it goes

756
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: back to Sean right and how he coaches his team

757
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: and how he empowers his players. But then two, how

758
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: these players have so much confidence in what they're doing right,

759
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: And then this game it's all about and beliefs and

760
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: confidence in yourself because again, you know, everyone's everyone's talented,

761
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: but it's Davante's like I made this catch a million

762
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: times here it is doesn't bother me one big that

763
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: haven't caught the ball. We're rolling, you know. And so

764
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be the biggest difference going into

765
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: this game, is that there's gonna be I would say

766
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: one to three throws that Stafford's gonna have to make

767
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: into a tight window and he's gonna have to complete it,

768
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 4: and the receiver is gonna have to go and get it,

769
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: and you have the guys that do it.

770
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that, Like contested catches decide this game.

771
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Terrence Ferguson, maybe it's DeVante, it's probably Pooka,

772
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: all of the above. But as good as they are defensively,

773
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: those key hole shots and the ability to convert them.

774
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: That throw to Ferguson, come on, man, come on man.

775
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: I mean he was wide open, but the way to

776
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: get it to him like that, I would have dropped

777
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: because would have scared me because I don't have thought

778
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: it was gonna get tit oh and just hit him

779
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: right in the throat. I was like, like, those type

780
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: of throws are gonna be needed in this game. And

781
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: again you have the guy that can make those throws

782
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: and the guys can go.

783
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: And get it.

784
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: Two areas I want to highlight here. In the postseason,

785
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: Stafford under pressure has really struggled and Seattle was all

786
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: over brought purty like you documented. Also, the downfield passing

787
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: game has gone begging one for eleven on throws beyond

788
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: twenty yards. And I understand there's built in reasons in

789
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: each of the games so far. The finger in Carolina,

790
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: the wind in Carolina, obviously, the conditions that they just

791
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: face in Chicago. Maybe those games have no bearing on

792
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: what we're going to see Sunday. But the mentality of

793
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford that you just described, the ability to purge

794
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: it and get onto the next rep of the next game,

795
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: is why I think none of these stats that we

796
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: could throw out here on this show matter because he's

797
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: seen Mike McDonald's defense in the Seattle Seahawks and he

798
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: knows what he did against them without DeVante Adams last time.

799
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: Well, you also got to go back to the first

800
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 4: time they played each other too, right, Remember the first

801
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: time it was tough sledding.

802
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: It was uphill up his lowest passing game of the season.

803
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: And then you bounce back and it's five hundred seven

804
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: yards of offense and thirty seven points, and so again

805
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: it's I would say that it reminds me of a

806
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: boxing match. I forget what the it was like a

807
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: paqialv or someone three you're a boxer, because yes, there

808
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: is no more game plan.

809
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: We're fighting. This is a fight. At this point.

810
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: It's like, bro, knuckle up. We don't need the gloves.

811
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: We're just gonna walk out on the street and start

812
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: there because we already know who we are. There's no

813
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: I don't I can't game plan for you. I think

814
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: the same thing for the Ram KNOCKOUTO. Yeah, there's no,

815
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 4: there's no there's you. You've seen everything we've done. We've

816
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: played twice already, So it's really gonna be who's who

817
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: wants it more and who executes better. Right, We're gonna

818
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 4: run the same place, You're gonna run the same defense.

819
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: Like you said, you are who you are, and in

820
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: those matchups, he said, mark you that third matchup is

821
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: just one of what Marquez got a lucky punch or something.

822
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Right, and that is what it comes down to.

823
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: And so that to me is when you play a

824
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: team three times in the same year, it reminds me

825
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: of New Orleans uh in twenty eighteen. We played him

826
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: in the preseason, the regular season, in the postseason. You

827
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: are who you are, right, and you just have to

828
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 4: execute better than the other one. Now, there's obviously a

829
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: call or two in that game that may be in

830
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: the history of the NFL, But that is when it

831
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: comes down to there. We can't We're not gonna go

832
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: out there and trick them, right like there is no

833
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: tricking Like you know, Matthew Sav's gonna drop back. You know,

834
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: there's gonna be play action pass. You know we're gonna

835
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: run the ball. You know we're gonna be in thirteen

836
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 4: birds No. Eleven or twelve. You know, these guys gonna

837
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: run these routes. Can you execute to stop it? Then

838
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: on the other side, you know they're gonna rush for

839
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: You know, those guys are big, strong guys, and they're

840
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: gonna try to They're gonna try to generate pressure with

841
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: their d tackles and collapse of pocket and every now

842
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 4: and then they're gonna have a iman yuri on the

843
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 4: line of scrimmers. He may come and and but how

844
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 4: do you are we ready to execute our game plan?

845
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 4: Know exactly what they're doing, knowing them better than they

846
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: know themselves.

847
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: I think this is DeVante's moment too. Let's stick with

848
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: the Rams offensively and we'll get to Darnold and the

849
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: Seahawks in a bit. He's a Ram because of this moment.

850
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I would argue he's come up short and four NFC

851
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: Championship games, including one headhead against the Seahawks. As I've

852
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: said previously, he didn't choose the Rams to pay taxes

853
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: in California. He chose to came here to cement his

854
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: legacy with the championship. And he's on the doorstep and

855
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: he didn't get to play this game last time, and

856
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: the memory of him warming up pre game with that

857
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: handstring sticks with me. I think it was said publicly

858
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: that he was frustrated by his inability to play in December.

859
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: This is the moment. Now is the time when.

860
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: You said professional like talking about Stafford, just be professional.

861
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: The first guy I thought about was Davante. If you

862
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: want to know how to be a receiver in the

863
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 3: National Football League, just watch him do what he does.

864
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: Dressed like he does, work like he does.

865
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: Like you said, to be in the game for the

866
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: entire game, when the game's not coming to you and

867
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: be ready for your moment. That's his teaching stuff. And

868
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: he's there in the locker room right after the game.

869
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: He was the first offensive guy to go to the

870
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: defensive side of the room and say, great job defense. Cool,

871
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: and it's not just us over here, it's great job.

872
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: We won the game and we move forward. And he

873
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: answered questions as if he had caught ten balls.

874
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

875
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: He's that professional. So yeah, I mean, at some point

876
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: it's going to fall to him to make that contested catch.

877
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: It's going to fall to Stafford to make that throw

878
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: in this game because Seattle's not gonna give you an inch.

879
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: I have to give Ernest Jones a lot of credit.

880
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: He is that sideline to sideline clean up tackler, dude

881
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 3: that has more assisted tackles than solo. That means he's everywhere,

882
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Same with Nate Landman. So

883
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: this will be a test. You're not gonna fool him.

884
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to fight through them, and you're gonna

885
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: have to make plays. Outside of Puka Nakua, the guy

886
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: you would think that would be your best playmaker would

887
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: be him either get open after the catch or do

888
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: something miraculous in the end zone. So he's gonna need

889
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: all that to get past that, to quiet that crowd.

890
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: Kate out his back. That means a lot to him,

891
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: and I think to this offensive line. The Rams were

892
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: not able to run it very effectively the last time

893
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: we went to Seattle, but I think that missing right

894
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: guard was a big piece of the puzzle.

895
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I thought he played lights out this game.

896
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: I just think he brings a different a different energy

897
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: and nothing nothing that deed Is did wrong because he

898
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 4: stepped in and played had great revs, played really well.

899
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 4: Part of the reason the Rams are where they are now.

900
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 4: But when you get those five guys that have been

901
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: together m like offensive linemen are weird, by the way,

902
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: I want to make sure we just put that out there.

903
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: Like they work in unison all the time.

904
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: They're a tribe.

905
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like it's just like everyone else kind of

906
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: running backs, you know, you kind of do your thing

907
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: over here. That like offensive line, they're always together. They're

908
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: always together because they have to work together. And so

909
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: when one guy goes out and no matter how good

910
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: he plays, it's just not the same. It just doesn't

911
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 4: feel right, you know what I mean, Like he's in

912
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: their rehab. We're eating and we're doing this, and we're

913
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: doing that. I mean, we we go to lunch here

914
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: at the facility and you see all the old linemen

915
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 4: at one table talking right, and so that is kind

916
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 4: of their bond. So to get your guy back right,

917
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: you can see the play step up. You see guys

918
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: locked in.

919
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: Ready to go.

920
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: I mean again, having him back is going to definitely

921
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: help in the running game, and it's most important, is

922
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: gonna help with not allowing the the Seahawks to penetrate

923
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: the pocket from the inside.

924
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Which they do with four, as as well as any defense.

925
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Like their personality doesn't change, you can or whatever personnel

926
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: groupings you want at them, they're gonna rush for and

927
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: play zone behind it.

928
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad you got the big bouncer back.

929
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: You remember your club going days yea, yeah, when they

930
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: got the big bouncer at the door. You know, he's

931
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: just kind of.

932
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: Changing when you're in college. Are you a bouncer? Did

933
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: you do that?

934
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: I sized up the bouncers. I knew how you know, crazy,

935
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: I could act that night. They got the little one

936
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: here today? You know I act oh dots back. Let

937
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: me let me be straight up right.

938
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: I will say this listening to what Seattle talks about.

939
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald spoke about. He was like, our base personnel

940
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: is big Nickel, and it reminds me a lot of

941
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 4: what the Rams do with Quentin Lake. How they put

942
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: again a very similar concept. They put Im and Uri

943
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: at that Sam.

944
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Becker Hamilton or their Jans.

945
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it's uh that that piece is going

946
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: to be very important because guess who that piece is

947
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: going to have to cover Puka? Right, That's gonna be

948
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: the guy that they're gonna try to when Puka's in

949
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: the slot.

950
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: And you're doing things.

951
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the guy that's gonna be physical and

952
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: Poka's trying to block, and so it's going to be

953
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: I mean again, it's they are who they are.

954
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: And I think that's the out of this whole podcast.

955
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: That's what our fans and understand, like we are who

956
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: we are and they are who they are and every

957
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: now and then, like I said, when you go to the.

958
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: Park, you get into a little scuffle.

959
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, you got to you know deep down inside.

960
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Here's maybe the X factor then is do we know

961
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: for certain who Sam Darnold is Because the Rams going

962
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: to try and bounce him out of the club for

963
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: the second postseason in a row. And I know he

964
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: leads the league in turnovers. I know he played through

965
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: an oblique injury last week. But I think back to

966
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: the two tosses he made in overtime, one to JSN,

967
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: one to Cooper Cup, to say nothing of the touchdown

968
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: in the time two point conversion. That changed something for me.

969
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: The way he responded in that game on Thursday Night

970
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Football and brought his best in crunch time that felt

971
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: like a corner turn. Now, maybe they tried to hide

972
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: him a little bit against the Niners and protect him

973
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: because of that injury.

974
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: Right, But the other side of that game was, you know,

975
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: the Niners would have two critical errors on the same

976
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: play when they were trying to run the football, and

977
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: that kind of helps Sam Donald step into it like

978
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: a breach and throwing the football there. But I mean

979
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: when tested, and you got to put him in situations

980
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: to where the game is on him, to where he

981
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: can feel it and then, like, I don't think people

982
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 3: change about who they are, and he did play great

983
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: down the stretch, but I would bet that if you

984
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: get him in those situations, that's exactly where I want

985
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 3: him because I think he'll make a mistake, but there's

986
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: there's still a greatness streak and everybody he saw it

987
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 3: and they think this is their year. So the one thing,

988
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: no matter what lead you had against I bet on

989
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: that sideline they were thinking, we're only two plays away.

990
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: Let's get this punt return, let's get one more stop

991
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: and we'll move it. Yeah X fact, So what's in there?

992
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: But we'll get there. Special team. But I would say

993
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: put Sam Donald in that such it's the the exact

994
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: opposite of Matthew Stafford. If you put Stafford in that situation,

995
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: guaranteed he's gonna beat it. Let's see if Sam Donald

996
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: can do the same thing. And I wouldn't I would

997
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: be less confident.

998
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: But now we know he did he can. Like we

999
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: saw it firsthand. That was I mean three eight point possessions.

1000
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: No, that that's that's different. That was awesome.

1001
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: I will say I it was awesome to see uh

1002
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: that in person from a thirty thousand view, not as

1003
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: a but it's just like, okay, like wow, that can happen.

1004
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: When you thought you had him beat, Yeah, turned him

1005
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: over a couple of times again.

1006
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: But it's like it's like but a lot of times

1007
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: it's like he could do that, but then he can

1008
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: be the other guy too. He can, Yeah, he can

1009
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: be the other guy too. So I think that's the

1010
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: that's the thing. And and again it's I'm not I

1011
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 4: don't want to like. Sam Darnold is very talented, so

1012
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: much so that he's like Caleb Williams where he's gonna

1013
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: be He's gonna try to he can believe he can

1014
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: make every throw and he's gonna make those throws. He's

1015
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: gonna put the ball in harm's way. Can you go?

1016
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: Can you can you go and make it? Make those plays?

1017
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: Right?

1018
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: But That's That's what happened in Chicago is that Caleb

1019
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 4: believes that he can make Brett Fahr believe that he

1020
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: can make every throw. And then that's why he led

1021
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: the league in touchdowns at one time and picks right

1022
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: and and that's just what happens. And so I think

1023
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: with uh Sam Darnold is yes, he can do that.

1024
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: He can do that, but he also can be the

1025
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: guy last year. He could also be the guy. What

1026
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: he has seven turnovers against the Rams of this year

1027
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: and then in two games he could be that guy

1028
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: as well.

1029
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: The joy in your heart if the Rams get through

1030
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: two former USC quarterbacks on the way to a super

1031
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: Bowl in Santa Clara.

1032
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 4: It's it's less about it's less about the Trojan quarterbacks.

1033
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: It's more about, uh, you know, UCLA doing such a

1034
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 4: great job recruiting right now.

1035
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: It's an exciting time.

1036
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: Actually tonight side note, UCLA is at my house tonight

1037
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: to go recruit my son. So I got to drive home.

1038
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: We got a big time, we got big we got

1039
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 4: big things coming.

1040
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Let me get your thoughts on the running back situation

1041
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: before you start to make that, you know, aside from

1042
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, picking up a two point conversion in the

1043
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: end zone. Charbonnat was leading them in touchdowns out for

1044
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: the year. Now with an ACL I think that's a

1045
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: big loss. But I also think Kenneth Walker was their

1046
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: better back, has had great success against the Rams, and

1047
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: so if they just ride him for four quarters. I'm

1048
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: not saying they won't miss Sharbon. I'm just saying I

1049
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: think their better back will get more snaps.

1050
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: They'll miss him. I mean, were great one too.

1051
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you when you were a

1052
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: part of a one to two when you lost the

1053
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: one other two, what did that do to you?

1054
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: Oh?

1055
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: Man, that rhymes it got me paid. But I mean

1056
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: in the game, no situation, No, it's it's different. It's

1057
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: just a different mindset. I remember I remember being the

1058
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: second guy with Fred.

1059
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: And you know, very similar.

1060
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: You go series and you have certain plays drawn up

1061
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: for you and you're fresh while the defense is out

1062
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: there tired tackling the other guy. And I think, to

1063
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: be honest, that's Kenneth Walker's success came from Charbonnay taking

1064
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: a lot of the plays and kind of wearing the

1065
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: defense down that he comes in with a different deal.

1066
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: We have to remember that Kenneth Walker normally gets banged up, right,

1067
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: and that's kind of been his knock, and why they

1068
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: haven't re signed him, to be honest, is that he's

1069
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: been injury prone. He's had a ton of injuries from

1070
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 4: over usage, it seems like. And so that's the only

1071
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: reason that I think, yes, you can give him the

1072
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 4: ball more, but he gets banged up too.

1073
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: Okay, So when you're facing a one two and it's

1074
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: a true running back by committee on the defensive side,

1075
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: so there could be a guy that's just setting you

1076
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: up for the other dude, they're gonna run the same

1077
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: blocking scheme, so you play it a certain way and

1078
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: he's hitting this gap here, so you get used to

1079
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: playing it, and when they bring into Charbonnay, he hits

1080
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: here harder, you know what i mean. So it just

1081
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: messes with your mind. So that's gonna that's gonna hurt

1082
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 3: them help you because it's only gonna be one way.

1083
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: And the more you see Kenneth Walker or any one

1084
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: running back, the more you start to chip away at

1085
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: what he's trying to do to you, you know what

1086
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean. If they have too, it just keeps you

1087
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: off balance. So it's gonna hurt them, it's gonna hurt

1088
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 3: them toughness wise. But I still think that Kenneth Walker

1089
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: is a rolling ball of butcher knives. He's a dude

1090
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: that that's the last guy you want to face when

1091
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: they have a lead, because you you won't get the

1092
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: ball back.

1093
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: If I can break down their running styles and why

1094
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 4: it works so well, Charbonne is going to keep it

1095
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 4: front side the time. So if the play's going right,

1096
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna stay on the right side. Yeah, he's gonna

1097
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: keep going right. If it's going left, it's going he's

1098
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 4: gonna go to the problem with Kenneth Walker is he's

1099
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: gonna go right. He'll he'll stop and go back all

1100
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 4: the way left. Yes, he'll stop and cut up the middle.

1101
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: He'll stop, go left, then go back right. And it

1102
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 4: works well next and so that that is what makes

1103
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: them so dynamic?

1104
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: Is that?

1105
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 4: Uh? And if you go back and watch the game

1106
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: against the Niners in San Francisco, Charbonne takes a cut

1107
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 4: and just runs right outside.

1108
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 2: There was no one there.

1109
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 4: The reason being is they were all playing the backside

1110
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 4: cut because Kenneth Walker runs the same play a couple

1111
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: plays before and he cut it back. So they're all

1112
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 4: playing backside, and that's what messes up the defense. And

1113
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: like DeMarco said, and I've I've heard this from defenders too,

1114
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 4: the more I play against you.

1115
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: The more I know what you want to do.

1116
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: If you go back to the when Rams played in

1117
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 4: Seattle and Kenneth Walker broke that long run, it was

1118
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: a wine back play where he cut back and he

1119
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: went back. It was starting left, he came back right,

1120
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 4: hit a hole and was able to go the distance.

1121
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: The Rams were playing against sharbonn A that drive before,

1122
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: and they're all playing over the top right, and so uh,

1123
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: I just think again, the more the Rams play against

1124
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: him and his style of play, then you'll you'll really

1125
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: understand kind of like, Okay, we have to we have

1126
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: to have guys on edges, on both edges, right, You

1127
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 4: have to guy have a guy on the front side

1128
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 4: of the play and on the backside of play right

1129
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 4: to make the tackle.

1130
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: Whether the Sharbernay says, you gotta have guys stay on

1131
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: the block, yeah, Kenneth Walker get off fast.

1132
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1133
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: That stuff, including the win over the Rams in overtime,

1134
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: at least one sixty rushing in four st right games,

1135
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: eight rushing touchdowns over the last four games. That's what's

1136
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: clicked for them, That's what's turned on there, asking way

1137
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: less of Sam Darnold, allowing him to just take his

1138
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: vertical shots while they run the ball effectively. Charles Cross

1139
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: at left tackle is a question mark. Who is backup

1140
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: will be is a question mark. As we have this

1141
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: conversation on a Wednesday, let's talk targets and let's talk

1142
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: Jasn and corners because there's been a change to this picture.

1143
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: Right with Emmanuel Forbes injured, I will say he's a

1144
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: club I would want to have in the bag against Jasn,

1145
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: and so I hope he can go, even though the

1146
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: snap counts in Chicago look like this. D Will Kobe,

1147
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: Roger McCreery interesting.

1148
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's because Forbes got banged up. And

1149
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: credit to the Rams for having depth and guys prepared.

1150
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: To play ready.

1151
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times in games like this,

1152
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 4: and it's again, it's it's the mindset of the players.

1153
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: I remember going into Pittsburgh and the coach is telling

1154
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 4: me you're not really gonna play that much in this

1155
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 4: game where it's a playoff wildcard game. It's my second

1156
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 4: year and I'm like, damn, Like, man, this sucks. And

1157
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: then my dad was like, bro, they always say that.

1158
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 4: Then the next thing, you know, you're gonna play. And

1159
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you're right, but the coach was,

1160
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 4: you know, and then something happened. I think Frank got

1161
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: like a little he like got cramped or something, and

1162
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, here we go, you know. And

1163
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: so those guys being ready to go out and play,

1164
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: Darius Williams being ready to go out and play, who's

1165
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 4: been out for a couple of weeks, right and healthy,

1166
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: scratched or whatever it might have been, being able to

1167
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 4: jump in that moment and take advantage of the opportunity.

1168
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: That third down play against Romadunze was huge, right. Think

1169
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 4: about that, like, that's a big third downs. He knows

1170
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 4: he's playing his leverage, he's able to go. I think

1171
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 4: that's what's gonna be need in this. You're gonna need

1172
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 4: every every man is gonna have to be ready to

1173
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 4: suit up in this, be able to cover jas In,

1174
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 4: understand what he likes to do, what they like to

1175
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: do to get him the ball, and be ready to play.

1176
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned cam Curl off the top because,

1177
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: like you said, covering guys up. It's gonna be tough

1178
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: at this stretch. The ball, if it gets out, it's

1179
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: gonna be caught and you're gonna have to make tackle.

1180
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: So guys coming up, Q Lake coming up making plays.

1181
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: But no matter who's out there, you have to trust

1182
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: the coal. I thought that's the strong point of McCurry

1183
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: being in there. He is a tough guy that comes

1184
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: up and can tackle. Same thing with d will When

1185
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 3: the ball does get out and you're out there beyond

1186
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: the numbers and it's just you and him, you can't

1187
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: bounce off. And I'll give some of that to being

1188
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: cold in Chicago. Besides handling the football, throwing it, tackling's

1189
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: also hard when your arms are cold. So guys are

1190
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 3: bouncing off. But they warmed into that role. Kobe Durant

1191
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: warmed into that making plays against the run. And did

1192
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 3: I bring up Kobe Durant again? Another pick? And where

1193
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: did he go with the football? Mal another pick?

1194
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: Fifty yards that way? He did one hundred yards on

1195
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: the first one.

1196
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: Come on, man, look Kobe turned and poona Ford. It

1197
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: was a beautiful twist on he gets right the Caleb

1198
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: Williams disrupts it a little bit and forces the pick.

1199
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: At least, let Kobe tap you on the helmet. Then

1200
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: while you run sixty yards away.

1201
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: From me on the helmet. We're on the heated benches

1202
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: right now, we're going that way. Come on, wow. But

1203
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: I mean that stuff.

1204
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: I mean standing up and if you have an opportunity

1205
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: for a tip and overthrow, be there, catch it, steal possessions.

1206
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 3: If they catch it in front of you, drop him there.

1207
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: So it's not about covering people up. You're not gonna cover.

1208
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: You're not gonna cover Smith and Jiggli you can't. But

1209
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: what I think one thing you can do is make

1210
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: him sing for a supper every time he catches it.

1211
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't know what does his stats have

1212
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: been the last couple of weeks. He hasn't had the.

1213
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh you talk about a light day at the office.

1214
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: Four targets, three catches, nineteen yards in a touchdown against

1215
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: San Francisco.

1216
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: But I'm in the daily.

1217
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: I think I think that's concerning for the Rams because

1218
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: he's had a bye week and a half of a

1219
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: bye week getting ready for this one, so he's gonna

1220
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: be fresh.

1221
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: What about the Niners?

1222
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 4: The first time he didn't do that well against like

1223
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's funny because he hasn't that they've

1224
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: been running the heck out of the football. He hasn't

1225
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 4: been having the best days. Cooper Cup has been having

1226
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 4: better days and Barner's been having better days.

1227
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: We need to talk about Barner, we do. He's a

1228
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: problem even when he's behind center. He's a problem their

1229
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: barnyard player or whatever. He can sneak short too. But

1230
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: that you know, Josh Wallace had a pick in that

1231
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: last game. But but this is a Quentin leag game

1232
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: if there ever was one.

1233
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I think for multiple reasons,

1234
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to be strong enough to cover Barner

1235
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: in the red zone. And then you're gonna have to, uh,

1236
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, your old buddy, Cooper Cup, We're gonna have

1237
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: to You're gonna have to lock him up. I will

1238
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: say this, and I'm just speaking on the defense in general.

1239
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 4: That those two point plays, the last two point play.

1240
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 4: It's funny because that uh, you know, Friday Saturday everyone's

1241
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: talking about and.

1242
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: The Seahawks were saying they saw something.

1243
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: If you remember that last two point play, the guy

1244
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: kind of blocked and then released out and they threw

1245
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 4: him the ball. Have to have our eyes on that

1246
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: because they're going to test that to make sure that

1247
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 4: you've checked your you fix your your coverage, right. That's

1248
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: just part of this game is to make sure that

1249
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 4: you've fixed every issue that you've had.

1250
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: It goes back to when the.

1251
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 4: Chiefs beat the Philadelphia Eagles and they ran the same

1252
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: play twice and they scored touchdowns on it. They're like,

1253
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: we saw the Jaguars do it against them and they

1254
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 4: couldn't cover it. So you have to know going in

1255
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 4: as a defense that everything that we have to do

1256
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: we have to be very sound on in the back

1257
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 4: end because they're going to test all our rules and everything.

1258
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: That goes on.

1259
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: It's so funny because this is your in January. You've

1260
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: been doing this a while, bro. You know you know

1261
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: what meetings feel like this time of year.

1262
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I've never been Herebodre.

1263
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean it gets late and you're doing

1264
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: the same stuff and when they show you and they're

1265
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: going over responsibilities and you already know this stuff, you

1266
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: may get bored, but ay, no, you have to talk

1267
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: through everything.

1268
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about.

1269
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: You were talking about I was thinking about, because it

1270
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: will catch you on game day if you fall asleep

1271
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 3: for a half second, because they're watching you too. Hey,

1272
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: you know this dude falls asleep on this every time

1273
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: he sees it. We can get this, We'll save it

1274
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: for him and then bang it happens. So you have

1275
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: to be a letter perfect and the coaches have to

1276
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 3: talk about it and make sure that you understand it.

1277
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: Are you hearing me when I say this? When you

1278
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: see this, don't fall asleep? All that stuff matters right now, because,

1279
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: like you said, one play can decide your entire season.

1280
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: All right, Speaking of we've saved the best for lasts.

1281
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: The kicking game has decided both of these matchups. So far,

1282
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: I can color it any which way. Ethan Evans punts

1283
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: have decided both games. One at so far was down

1284
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: that the one led to a miss sixty one yard

1285
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: field goal. Another one was returned for a touchdown cost

1286
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: the Rams the game. Shit, he does not get to play,

1287
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: not less right, not on special He cannot touch the

1288
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: football and special teams ranon.

1289
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: Evans.

1290
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 4: Kick this into the seventeenth row wherever whoever's back there,

1291
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 4: kick it as far as you can and then on

1292
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 4: then on punt, I don't care if it's a thirty

1293
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: yard punt, kick it out of bounds.

1294
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: That you know he's going to return one, right, No,

1295
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 3: he is, He's going to return one. No best laid plans.

1296
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 3: And I've been on punt team to where we say

1297
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 3: you have to stay away from guys and doing this job.

1298
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: When Patrick Peterson was this guy, we have to stay

1299
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: away from him. And then the ball winds up in

1300
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: the middle of the field and he's got it, so

1301
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 3: you can try, but eventually you're gonna have to get

1302
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: him on the ground.

1303
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: He's gonna get a return.

1304
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 4: We will prepare to do that. Yeah, but you just

1305
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: how you said locked in. Yeah, I'm if, I'm if,

1306
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 4: I'm the coaches. I'm walking by hey, out of bounds. Okay,

1307
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna here's a there's a no card. It's gonna

1308
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 4: say that this game.

1309
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: Out of this game is probably an inglewood if they

1310
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: punted out of bounds easily.

1311
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: Like But but that's the thing.

1312
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: When you have such a dangerous weapon like that, you

1313
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 4: have to do everything in your power. And again a

1314
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 4: personal story I played at UCLA. We went to Oklahoma

1315
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 4: and they had a kid by the name of Perkins.

1316
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: We had Chris Koey, who was one of the best

1317
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 4: punters I've been around. Chris Kooey, we told him in

1318
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 4: the middle of the game, Okay, the guy's already turn

1319
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 4: two punts, let's not kick it to him anymore.

1320
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: Right.

1321
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 4: They put me at gunner with another kid at gunner.

1322
00:55:58,880 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: We're freshmen.

1323
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 4: We're running down and this guy kicks it down the

1324
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: middle of the field and guess what, and punt's safe.

1325
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: He took it to the house again, he was, so

1326
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 4: you're right, But they weren't on him about kicking it

1327
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: out of bounds until the next week, right, Like, you

1328
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 4: have to make sure that he understands how important he is.

1329
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: Just make sure that your guy is good at angle punting,

1330
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: because what if you try to stay away from a

1331
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: guy and I get you, he's dangerous, you should, right,

1332
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 3: But the next thing you know, you've got a twenty

1333
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: yard punt and you just handed him field position.

1334
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1335
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 4: That's better than him running down the field like he

1336
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: did against San Francisco to start the game.

1337
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: I got you go cover?

1338
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, MeVis has only missed this season in the closing

1339
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: minutes the last time we were in Seattle. What a

1340
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: godsend he has been, including the walk off winner in

1341
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: the snow in Chicago.

1342
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that decision was a hard one, right,

1343
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: if you draft a kicker, you work with a guy,

1344
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about the kickoffs that Cardi

1345
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 4: had and what he was doing. But to make that

1346
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: decision was huge because we talked about it like these

1347
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: games going down the stretch are gonna come down to

1348
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: a point or three, right, and you have to be

1349
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: able to be comfortable with making these kicks and these

1350
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 4: extra points in these field goals. And to see that

1351
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 4: this last game in overtime come down and you talked

1352
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 4: about Ben Johnson not icing them, like to make that kick,

1353
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 4: that was our high pressure kick man. The people, how

1354
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: many we were sitting in the booths, people were screaming.

1355
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 4: When that thing went through you said it. You could

1356
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 4: hear a snowflake land on the goalpost. It just shut

1357
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 4: the crowd up. And to have that, I mean that

1358
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 4: just continues to build confidence in your team, and then

1359
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 4: your players building themselves, and then you building your kick.

1360
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: It's hard to shut chicagoing up.

1361
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: Oh it is, and he did just wow and The

1362
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: thing I liked about it, and I was surprised about

1363
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: the Bears not freezing him. The thing that was cool

1364
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: was watching him on the sideline. I don't think he

1365
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: took a warm up. He was ready for the moment.

1366
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: And then when you talk to him postgame about it, Hey,

1367
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: how did you feel in that moment? He goes, that's

1368
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: why they brought me here. WHOA, That's exactly what you

1369
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: want in your kicker, the right mentality. He's ready for

1370
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: the moment. Coach, let me go win this thing. Boom

1371
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: straight down the middle, no if ns or butts, Let's

1372
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: move on. When you have a kicker that has that

1373
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 3: ice water in his veins, it just makes you feel

1374
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: confident that if you can get down to a certain situation,

1375
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: not only can we send him out, he can win it.

1376
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: At any moment without a warm up. To us, crazy,

1377
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: I just I'm ready. Let's go.

1378
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: You talk about silence. It was weird how Chicago fans

1379
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: started speaking with their middle fingers rather than their lips.

1380
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, let's talk about it.

1381
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 4: The guy in front of us was like, oh, yeah,

1382
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: you guys are gonna go down. Then he was like, hey,

1383
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 4: great job, guys, win it all. I was like, hey,

1384
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 4: you went from cussing us out and Chicago it was like, hey,

1385
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 4: good job man, change his whole demeanor after you took

1386
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: that out.

1387
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: And Jake mcquady clue I should have dropped his name in.

1388
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: There's a big part of the huge inflection point. Closing thoughts,

1389
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: other items and tangibles. We didn't get two things. You

1390
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: don't want to leave without saying depth.

1391
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: Your depth on defense is being tested Byron Young played

1392
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: thirty five snaps. That means somebody else had to be

1393
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: out there. Deswan Johnson again play starters reps when he's

1394
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 3: out there. Josiah Stewart is a starter. How about that

1395
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: When you have to create defensive packages just so you

1396
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: can have all three on the field, that means he's

1397
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 3: playing great edge you guys, But the depth guys are

1398
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: really gonna tie Hamilton those guys that come in and

1399
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: it's you take your thirteen to twenty five reps. It's

1400
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: not just a placeholder. You got to be out there, bro,

1401
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: You got to make plays. So defensive depth is being challenged.

1402
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: They are responding. That's the good thing now. But like

1403
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: we said, I think the crux of this thing is

1404
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: it's it's nine time. This is made for you this moment.

1405
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: Think about it, right, what you've gone through. Carolina hadn't

1406
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: had a playoff game in forever. That was crazy. Chicago

1407
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: took it up a notch. What do you think is

1408
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: gonna be like in Seattle?

1409
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1410
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: Again?

1411
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: They tout and straight home playoff wins parentheses with fans

1412
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: in the stands. They are working their way around the

1413
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: John Wolf of Jared Goff pandemic, winning the wild card,

1414
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: the Cabo Cigars.

1415
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: The Cabo game. Yeah, and it couldn't come down to

1416
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: a better two teams. As much as as.

1417
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 4: Much as I love the game, this game is gonna

1418
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 4: come down to the trenches. And I think the running

1419
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: game is gonna be very important in this one, as

1420
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 4: much as we thought it was gonna be important in Chicago.

1421
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 4: I think controlling the line of scrimmage and it reminds

1422
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 4: me of the Baltimore game when Mike McDowell was a

1423
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: DC and the Rams ran nine straight times down into

1424
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 4: the red zone. You're gonna have to eventually be able

1425
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: to run the football and control this game in certain parts.

1426
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's going to be the third quarter,

1427
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: the middle of the third if it's going to be

1428
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter with some part of this game when

1429
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 4: you when you have to control this game, like like

1430
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 4: you had an opportunity after Kobe Turner's pick, you have

1431
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 4: to run the book football and get first downs. And

1432
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 4: we haven't talked about Kyron or Blake Korn, but they're

1433
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 4: going to have a huge.

1434
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 2: Part in this game.

1435
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 4: And to me, it's going to be finding whatever plays

1436
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 4: work and being able to move these guys off spots,

1437
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 4: create creases and start getting chunk runs in some part

1438
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 4: of this game in order to set up the play

1439
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 4: action pass and do some things. If you can't do that,

1440
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 4: if you can't run the football, and it's solely on

1441
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, I'm okay with that, but that's just not

1442
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 4: your best game plan because the play action pass is

1443
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 4: so important in this game. And the big chunk plays

1444
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 4: that they had in Seattle, most of them are based

1445
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: off of a token play action fake. And then you

1446
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 4: have a guy streaking across the middle of the field

1447
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 4: that's wide open.

1448
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: Usual when you got linebackers like Ernest Jones, right, that's

1449
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: where the play action game really comes into play. You

1450
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: were talking Miles This morning, Miles traveled, how about the

1451
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: fact that this is going to be the fifth road

1452
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: trip in six weeks for your Rams, seventh time and

1453
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: nine they've been away from home. At least it's in

1454
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: the Pacific time zone. But this is the path they

1455
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: had to walk because of the overtime loss in Seattle.

1456
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: And there's one way to redeem it. And that's what

1457
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: the win this weekend. The two best teams in the NSC,

1458
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: in the National Football League playing for the right to

1459
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: go contest Super Bowl sixty in Santa Clara. Round three.

1460
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: Rams and Seahawks cannot wait. Thank you for being with

1461
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: us all season long. And here's too many more between

1462
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: the horns presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealers,