1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The and the beat goes on, 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: The Beat goes on. Addition, as the Bengals look to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: climb back to five hundred as they face the first 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: place Jacksonville Jaguars on Monday Night football coming up, I'll 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: talk to one of the best in the business and 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: watching the tape and making a complex game a little 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: more understandable for the rest of us, Greg Cosell from 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: NFL Films. Orlando Brown Junior joins me to discuss the 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: Bengals running game and what must be done to improve it. 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: And finally, and this week's Know The Foux Conversation will 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: take an in depth look at the Jaguars with Gene 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Furnett from the Florida Times Union. The Bengals Booth Podcast 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: is brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: proof Fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, and 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: community to a new level, and by Kettering Health the 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is the 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Now here's a quick 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: reminder that you can have the latest edition of this 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: since The Football one hundred. Of the more than twenty 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: five thousand men who have played professional football, who are 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the very best? The sportswriters from The Athletic recently tackled 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: that question and came out with a book named The 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: Football one Hundred. 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You can find it online 37 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: for less than thirty bucks. Now let's get to the Bengals. 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: One of the team's biggest issues this year has been 39 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: stopping the run. Over the last two seasons, the Bengals 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: finished fifth and seventh in the NFL in rushing yards allowed, 41 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: But so far this year, with most of the same 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: players back on defense, they ranked twenty ninth, and during 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: their current three game losing streak, they've given up one 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: hundred eighty eight rushing yards to Houston, one fifty seven 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: to Baltimore, and one fifty three to Pittsburgh. Looking for 46 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: an explanation, I turned to Greg Cosell from NFL Films 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,559 Speaker 1: and the ESPN Matchup Show. 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: Struggling to understand that, because I think if you look 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: at their individual players, I think they're really good players, 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: Like I would look at BJ Hill and Reader and say, 51 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: those guys are really solid defensive tackles in the NFL. 52 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: The easy answer to that, and it may not be 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: a sexy answer for fans. And I've had these conversations 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: with coaches at the combine many times about the run game, 55 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: and usually the run game is, if you're not stopping it, 56 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 2: it's because guys are getting blocked, guys are going into 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: their wrong gaps. And it's funny because there was one 58 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: game and I wish I could remember the specific game, 59 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: and I want people to understand that I didn't know 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: what you're going to ask me, so it's not like 61 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: we prepared this. There was one game where I thought 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: Wilson and Pratt were not very good at all in 63 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: just key and diagnose and what they saw, and therefore 64 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: they became a step behind everything. And normally they're very 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: good players, as you know, and I like both those 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: guys as players based on tape, but I think that's 67 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: happened a little more this year than we expect. That 68 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: they're just not seeing it as quickly as they should, 69 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: and therefore the gap integrity is not quite there. So 70 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: that's the reason the run game normally is not as good. 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: Guys get moved out of the point of attack, and 72 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: often second level defenders don't play with the needed gap 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: integrity to fill. And I think those are the two 74 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: things that stand out when I watch the tape. 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: The Bengals are five and six, obviously not where we 76 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: hoped they would be or thought they would be. Do 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: you largely chalk it up to Joe Burrow's injuries? 78 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Yes, Look, I think that a great quarterback and he 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: certainly has proven to be that in his short career 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: can camouflage and compensate for other things that coaches would 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: say need to be fixed or corrected, and a great 82 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: quarterback can certainly do that. So yeah, again, no one 83 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: can say what their record would be if he was playing. Obviously, 84 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: early in the season it was evident that the CA 85 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: was still an issue, so that was a factor as 86 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: well early on, and then he seemed to get into 87 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: a bit of a groove, and then of course the 88 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: season ended. So yeah, I mean, no one could say, 89 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Dan what their record would be. We can't sit here 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: and say, oh, they'd be nine to two or they'd 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 2: be ten and one. We can't say that, but they'd 92 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: certainly be a team that is talked about a lot 93 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: more and a team that people would think would have 94 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: a chance once the playoffs started to do some damage. 95 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: And chatting with Greg Cosel from NFL Films in the 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: ESPN Matchup show the Future is now in the secondary 97 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: cam Taylor Britt and Dax Hill are in their second year. 98 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: DJ Turner and Jordan Battle are playing a lot as rookies. 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: Which of those young guys have caught your eye? 100 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to ask you because I noticed 101 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: that Battle. This week he played fifty nine snaps and 102 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: Scott only played fourteen, and he only really played in 103 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: the nickel, you know, third down. I should say has 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: Battle basically won that job now as the starting safety 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: to Hill. 106 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: Yes, last week was the first time that he started, 107 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: but over the past couple of weeks he's been getting 108 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: the bulk of the snaps. 109 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I really liked Battle coming out. He was a 110 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: four year player at Alabama. He was a big time 111 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: recruit I believe, coming out of Florida, like one of 112 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: the biggest, and had a really nice college career, chose 113 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: to stay when he could have come out. He always 114 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: struck me as just one of those really solid players, like, 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: you know, not a special athlete, maybe not going to 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: be a special pro, but one of those glue guys. 117 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: And I think Dax Hill, you know, he's used in 118 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: multiple ways when they go man, which they play a 119 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: lot of. By the way, he is the tight end matchup, 120 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: he has corner traits. I think he could become a 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: really really good player. It looks like Turner has essentially 122 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: won the job opposite Taylor Bridge, who I know was 123 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: interactive this week. So they have you know, two corners 124 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: now young players. As you said, Taylor Bridge is a 125 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: really good player. I like. I just like how competitive 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: he is. Obviously he's not the best athlete at the position, 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: but he can certainly hold his own. So yeah, this 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: secondary I think. You know, given the fact that they 129 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: had lost Baits and Bell from a year ago, which 130 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: when you and I spoke after the season, was a 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: clear concern. You know, Hill has now stepped up. He's 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: going to be a really good player. And I think 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: Battle's going to be, Like I said, Battle's going to 134 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: be one of those guys he's just he's going to 135 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: be in the right place. He's going to do what 136 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: needs to be done. And you know, maybe he'll have 137 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: a limitation here and there, but I don't think it'll 138 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: be the kind that really impacts his ability to perform 139 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: at a pretty high level. 140 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Miles Murphy's snap count is going up as well. What 141 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: did you think of him coming out of Clemson and 142 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: his potential to be a significant part of this Bengals 143 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: defense going forward. 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that Miles Murphy coming out of college 145 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: was a guy who really looked the part. Long athletic 146 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Sinewy can bend a little bit but needed refinement in 147 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: how to rush the quarterback. And I still think seeing 148 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: his tape that he still needs work in that area. 149 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: But if he can develop that because as you know, Dan, 150 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: in the NFL, you can't just rely on being a 151 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: good athlete or being quick. You know, you need to 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: have an array of moves. You need to be able 153 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: to work offensive tackles. And I think as he continues 154 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: to learn that he has a pretty bright future because 155 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: as you know, he's long, he's athletic, he really looks 156 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: like an edge pass rusher. And by the way they 157 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: move him inside at times too, you know they do 158 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: a lot of that. 159 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: Jake Browning made his first NFL start last week. It 160 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: was his first start overall in about five years since 161 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen Rose Bowl. What have you observed watching 162 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Jake Browning? 163 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if there's any kind way 164 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: to say the fact that his limitations are are pretty significant. 165 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: So if you accept that, the only way he can 166 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: be really serviceable, I guess would be the right word 167 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: is if mentally he plays at a really high level. 168 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: And he did not against the Steelers. Now it's his 169 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: first start, so you don't want to make your definitive 170 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: judgment that, oh, that can never happen. Obviously, they're playing 171 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: Jacksonville this week Monday night, right, that's a Monday night game. 172 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: And Jacksonville's defense is way better than people might be 173 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: aware because everybody just talks about Trevor Lawrence. But Jacksonville's 174 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: got a really good defense. I think they have the 175 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: third best third down defense in football. They have some 176 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: really interesting rush concepts and blitz schemes. This is going 177 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: to be a big time challenge mentally, and like I said, 178 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: he's the kind of quarterback that has to play at 179 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: a really high mental level because the physical tools are 180 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: just not there. 181 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: Greg, if you could add something to the Bengals roster, 182 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: speedy running back, field, stretching, tight end, interior pass rusher, 183 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, what would that thing be? 184 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: Well, you just mentioned all three. I mean, you know 185 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: the tight end situation. I'd love to see, you know, 186 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: a tight end that can can really do that. I mean, 187 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: you know, is there a Smith that guy? I don't know. 188 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: I thought so when he came out of college, but 189 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: you know, we'll see how that plays out. I mean, 190 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: it's so hard because Borrow's not playing to know how 191 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: all this would play out. You know, I think the back, 192 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: they're probably going to have to get a back at 193 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: some point here in the next year, and I think 194 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: they recognize that. You know, there's no reason to talk 195 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: about it now. And you'd certainly love to have an 196 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: interior pass rusher. I really like Reader. I think he's 197 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: a little bit better pass rusher than people think. And 198 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: there's not twenty Aaron Donald's, but it'd be nice to 199 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: have a guy who's more like in Aaron Donald, just 200 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: in terms of juice explosion, you know, that can that 201 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 2: can really be a factor inside. You know, Hendrickson is 202 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: a really good pass rusher. I don't think he gets 203 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: the credit he deserves. I think Hubbard's a really nice player, 204 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: really good you know, one of those guys that I'll 205 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: play twelve thirteen years and you'll go, Wow, that guy 206 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: had a really nice career. But I don't think he's 207 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: a true edge rusher now once in a while, because 208 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: he's a good athlete, but once in a while, but 209 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: he's not that guy. I guess the hope is Murphy 210 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: becomes that guy, and that remains to be seen. 211 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: So it is off to Jacksonville on Monday night. The 212 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Jags are eight and three. They've opened up a two 213 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: game lead in their division. What must the team do 214 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: to beat Jacksonville. 215 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard to beat them if you don't 216 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: score some points. And that's not a profound statement, obviously, 217 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: but they're not gonna win this game ten to seven. 218 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 2: I don't believe. You know, this has been a strange year. 219 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: So I don't want to say give any absolutes, but 220 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, I was thinking about this, how they can 221 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: go about trying to score. This is a much tougher 222 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: defense the Jaguars than people might be aware. They're very 223 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: good upfront. They've got two really good linebackers. They have 224 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: a safety in Rayshawn Jenkins, who I think is totally overlooked. 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: I think he's a really good player. You know, if 226 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: it was Joe Burrow, I'd say they can throw the football, 227 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: but I don't know if that's you know, if that's 228 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: that viable. They may have to and that may be 229 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: the way they have to try to go about winning 230 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: the game and putting points on the board, because it's 231 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: not likely in one week's time that the run game 232 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: is all of a sudden going to be dynamic, but 233 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough. I mean, you know, I probably 234 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: sound like a cliched coach, but it's one of those 235 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 2: games where they're gonna have to win on special teams, 236 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: they're gonna have to get some turnover, you know, the 237 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: typical stuff when you really don't you know, offensively, you 238 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: probably don't match up real well. You know, they're not 239 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: likely to put up four offensive touchdowns in this game. 240 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: So it's all those other things that come into play. 241 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: Greg. 242 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Always fun to pick your brain. Look forward to seeing 243 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: you at the Combine in the spring. Thanks so much 244 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: for your time. 245 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: As always, Thanks Dan, appreciate it. 246 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: My first topic with Greg was stopping the run. Now 247 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: let's look at the other side of the ball. Last week, 248 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: the Bengals had twenty five rushing yards out eleven attempts, 249 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: and three of those runs were scrambles, so really it 250 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: was eight running plays for sixteen yards. Eight running plays 251 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: is not enough. I know it, and most importantly, the 252 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: coaching staff knows it. But it's hard to keep calling 253 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: runs when they are so inefficient and put the offense 254 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: in bad down and distant situations. Here's offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. 255 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: I've not been one that's officially subscribed to the theory 256 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: that the more times you run it, the better it gets. 257 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: I don't know that that's always the case, but there's 258 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 4: definitely times where you need to be able run the ball, 259 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: and we haven't been able to run it with the 260 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: effectiveness that we're gonna need to. That's the battle you 261 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: face when you're not running it well and you're trying 262 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 4: to maintain some semblance of positive gains to get a 263 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: manageable third down. That part of it gets tricky when 264 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: it's not going well. You know, the idea that you 265 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 4: just keep handing it off. The other side is you 266 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: struggle sometimes because you're just trying to move forward and 267 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: not being third and nine. It's a balance. 268 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: The Bengals are mostly a shotgun formation, three wide receiver 269 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: offense that caters to Joe Burrow's skills, and that approach 270 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: has taken them to back to back AFC Championship games 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: and a trip to the Super Bowl. But with Joe's 272 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: sideline for the rest of the year with his wrist injury, 273 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: they clearly need to get something out of the running 274 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: game to give Jake Browning more help than he received 275 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: in his first start. For more on that topic, and 276 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: to look at his first season in Cincinnati, I got 277 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: up this week with left tackle Orlando Brown, junior. Orlando. 278 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: I've noticed after losses that you are typically one of 279 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: the last guys sitting there in front of your locker 280 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: processing things. Are you replaying the game in your mind 281 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: or just dealing with the physical and emotional exhaustion. 282 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, Honestly, winter loss, I'm normally Alaska out of here. 283 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 5: I just I don't know, I still feel like I'm 284 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 5: in like this third quarter, you know, I mean a 285 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 5: lot of time whin the game's in just kind of 286 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: you know, get in my mind right periodically throughout the week, 287 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 5: and you know, it seems like the games go so fast, 288 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: and you know, I like to take a little time 289 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 5: there after a game to be able to sit there 290 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 5: and collect my thoughts. So you know, I'm not kind 291 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 5: of taking whatever I'm feeling home, you know, whether that 292 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 5: be you know, I try not to get too high, 293 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 5: I get too low, you. 294 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. 295 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 5: I want to be in the right mindset kind of 296 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 5: heading home, so I'll just kind of take time to 297 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 5: myself to decompress, you could say, in that moment, and 298 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 5: shower up. 299 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Are you the type of person who hates losing more 300 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: than you love winning? 301 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 5: Definitely, man, definitely. You know, honestly, I'm when it comes 302 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 5: to football. Man, I'm very spoilt. You know, I've had 303 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: had a lot of success personally, and I've been on 304 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 5: a lot of great teams as well. So, Man, I 305 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 5: definitely ain't losing. 306 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because the Bengals are five 307 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: and six. Looking back over the last eight years, so 308 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: three years at Oklahoma, Baltimore, Kansas City, You've never lost 309 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: more than six games in a season. The worst record 310 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: one of your teams has ever had was ten and 311 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: six your rookie year with Baltimore. Do you marvel at 312 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: your good fortune? 313 00:15:59,240 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 314 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 5: Man, I mean, and you know, winning is hard to 315 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 5: do on any level, especially in today's world with football. Man, 316 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 5: it's so competitive, the type of athletes we have, the coaches, 317 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 5: coaches are better, the offense and defenses are better. It's 318 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 5: so hard to win in this league. And as I said, Man, 319 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 5: I've been so fortunate, so blessed to play with really 320 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: great coaches, playing great schemes and with great, great players. 321 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: And you know, man, I do do believe that. You know, 322 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 5: we've got all the pieces we need to be able 323 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 5: to get in the dance, So hopefully that happens. 324 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow missed all of training camp. When he got healthy, 325 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: you guys started a roll. Then he got hurt again. 326 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Unfortunately he's going to miss the rest of the season. 327 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: How does an injured franchise quarterback impact the entire psyche 328 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: of a team? 329 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean in so many different ways, man, 330 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 5: from the way that calls are called, you know, players 331 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 5: are called to, you know, the flow of the game 332 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 5: to heck, even the defensive system, and you know the 333 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 5: way that things are. You know, it's it's a lot 334 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 5: that goes into it, man. But I think Joe's done 335 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: a great job and around especially in meetings, walked through, 336 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 5: was at practice Sundays. He's out there with us being 337 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: able to you know, cheer guys on and give good 338 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: advice in the moment because you know, he's he's got 339 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 5: a third off for the game. Man. That's what makes 340 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 5: him so special as well. So you know, basically having 341 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 5: him out there still, you know, he's still able to 342 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 5: have a positive impact on the team. 343 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: We're chatting with Orlando Brown junior Jake Browning seems to 344 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: have really earned the respect of the guys in the 345 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: locker room. What is he shown you? 346 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 5: Just a ton of confidence, man, And you know he's 347 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 5: he's a guy that's you know, he's he's got a 348 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 5: really big chip on his shoulder. He's had to work 349 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 5: really hard to get here, and he's worked hard and 350 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 5: earned this opportunity. And you know, for this organization, organization 351 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 5: and you know coach Taylor, you know Zach to give 352 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 5: him an opportunity, man, I mean, it's it's really special. 353 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 5: But I got a lot of confidence in him. And 354 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 5: he's a guy with a lot of confidence, so he's 355 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 5: easy to rally behind. 356 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Running the ball has been a struggle this year, and 357 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time figuring out why the Bengals 358 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: have a good offensive line. Joe Mixon is a proven 359 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: running back. What must you guys do to run the 360 00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: ball more? 361 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 5: EFFICI yeah, Well, you know, running the ball is hard, man, 362 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 5: and it takes all eleven you know, just as you 363 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 5: know it does man really with any play, but you know, 364 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 5: especially in the run game. You know, I mean, one 365 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 5: guy can you know, mess something up here, whether that 366 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 5: be me missing a down, block or me not getting 367 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 5: to the second level, you know, being able to spring 368 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 5: those four yard runs into you know, twenty yard runs 369 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 5: or two yard runs in the five yard runs. It 370 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: takes a lot of a lot of strain, a lot 371 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 5: of grit, and you know, it's kind of on us 372 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 5: up front, you know, to take care of that. Man. 373 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: I think, you know, Frank's done an amazing job week 374 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: the week man creating a great plan for us. We 375 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: haven't necessarily done a great job executing, and it's on 376 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 5: us as players to go out there be able to 377 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 5: win our one on one blocks and situations and dominate, 378 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 5: you know, the first level of the defense man to 379 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 5: be able to get up to that second level. So, 380 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 5: you know, I think it's really about that strain, that grit, 381 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 5: having that tenacity, that mindset man, that that we're not 382 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 5: going to be denied no matter what, And that's on 383 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: us as players up front. 384 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: Do those running numbers really bother you? 385 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 6: Yeah? 386 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 5: Definitely, man, definitely, because as you said, I mean, we've 387 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 5: got all the pieces, you know, We've got the offensive 388 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 5: line to do it, We've got the running back to 389 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 5: do it. You know, I also believe our scheme in 390 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 5: itself takes care of a lot of coverages in the 391 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: boxes that we that we'll see, So, man, it definitely 392 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 5: does bother me. 393 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: Orlando, You've been incredibly durable in your football career. You've 394 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: missed one start in your NFL career. You've dealt with 395 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: a growing injury this year. You miss some snaps in 396 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: the Seattle game, but you haven't missed a game. How 397 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: much pride do you take in answering the bell every week? 398 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of pride, man, because you know some sometimes, Man, 399 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 5: the best attribute you can have as a good player 400 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 5: is being available and being available to my teammates, to 401 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 5: my coaches, knowing that they can include me on a 402 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 5: game plan every week, knowing that I'm gonna give my 403 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 5: all no matter how I'm feeling or you know, who 404 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 5: I'm going against or what the circumstances are situation we're in. 405 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 5: I take a lot of pride in that. Man. That 406 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: was an old school, you know, thing that was driven 407 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 5: to me from my dad back in the day, staying 408 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 5: out of the training room and all those different things. 409 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 5: So you know, I still always have heard that voice 410 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 5: in my head. But man, I take a lot of 411 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 5: pride in that. You know, I want to I want 412 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: to be out there for my guys, man, and that's 413 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 5: the that's kind of what's really important to me and 414 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 5: always on my minor heart. 415 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: You face Jacksonville on Monday Night football. This is a 416 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: team that you've beat in the playoffs last year on 417 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: your way to a Super Bowl ring with Kansas City. 418 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: What did the Jaguars show you in that playoff game. 419 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 5: I mean, they're a great football team, man, and you know, 420 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 5: there's still somewhat young, I want to say, but they're 421 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 5: They've got good veteran leadership and the guys that they 422 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 5: have out there. This is a really good defense. It's 423 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 5: a really good defensive line, and I think they do 424 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 5: a great job playing together, playing for each other. You know, 425 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 5: Doug Peterson and everything that he is man as a 426 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 5: head coach is amazing, you know. I mean obviously super 427 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 5: Bowl winning coach, so you know, man, he's a guy 428 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 5: that's also been around a game a lot. So they 429 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 5: just they've got a great camaraderie. They play really well together, man, 430 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: and we're gonna have our hands. 431 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: For Jacksonville's defense is number four in the league at 432 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: stopping the run. They're not that high in sacks so 433 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: far this year. 434 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: Which is really strange because they're really good at what 435 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 5: they do. 436 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: I was wondering if it's more of a like hard 437 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: to push around defensive front as opposed to a fly 438 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: up the field and get after the quarterback defense in front. 439 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: Is that the case? 440 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just you know, running the ball, stopping to run. 441 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 5: It's all mindset, and they've got the mindset. They've also 442 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 5: got the body types as well, you know, with their 443 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 5: interior guys that they have and how strong they are, 444 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 5: how well they play, you know, but they're defense man 445 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 5: that obviously. Man, they take a lot of pride in that, 446 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 5: and you know, for them to be eight and three, 447 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 5: I'm not sure how all of their games have been, 448 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 5: but I imagine there's been a lot of games for 449 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 5: them where they've got the lead, you know what I mean. 450 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 5: So it's you know, they're seeing a lot more passing situations, 451 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 5: and you would imagine that they would have more sacks 452 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 5: than you know, being fourth in the league and stopping 453 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: to run. But I mean, as I said, man, this 454 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 5: is a this is a tough group and you know, 455 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 5: you could tell they play with a really big chip 456 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 5: on their shoulder. 457 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: Final thing, for Orlando Brown junior Willie Anderson made the 458 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: list of semi finalist for the Pro Football Hall of 459 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: Fame for the fourth year in a row. You tweeted 460 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: in favor of his candidacy earlier this week. Was he 461 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: one of the guys that you studied when you were young? 462 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 6: Yeah? 463 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 5: Man, definitely. You know, I think what makes theme a 464 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 5: Hall of Famers, you know, being one of the best 465 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 5: in the world at what you do for a certain 466 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 5: period of time. And I mean he's like a four 467 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 5: time All Pro if I'm not mistaken, right, And you 468 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 5: know that's that in his self. I mean speaks to 469 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 5: the type of player he was in his heyday. And 470 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 5: you know, I personally feel like, man, he's very deserving, 471 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: you know, for you turn on the film and look 472 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: at his film, then you know what I mean, And 473 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 5: look at the guys he was shutting down and playing 474 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 5: really well against. Although he wasn't on the best teams 475 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 5: here in Cincinnati. I mean, he was a great player 476 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 5: and truly one of the best right tackles ever played. 477 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: Again, appreciate your time as always, best of luck against 478 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: the Jags, So I appreciate you. One thing that could 479 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: help Willie's chances this year is the fact that the 480 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: only other offensive lineman on the list of semi finalists 481 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: is former New Orleans guard joh Ree Evans, a great 482 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: player obviously, but not a tackle and not a household 483 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: name over the past two years. Willie lost out to 484 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: fellow tackles Tony Basselli and Joe Thomas. 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Doug Peterson has done 492 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: such a great job since taking over in Jacksonville that 493 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: you almost forget that Urban Meyer was the Jags coach 494 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: just two years ago when the team went three and fourteen. 495 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: I asked Gene Fournett from the Florida Times Union to 496 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: explain how Peterson turned the franchise around so quickly when 497 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: he joined Dave Lapham and me. This week on the 498 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: Bengals Game, plan show. 499 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, it certainly helps when you 500 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: when you come into a locker room that was as 501 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 3: abysmal and sour as what Urban Meyer left in that 502 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: locker room, and you come in and you've got a 503 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: Super Bowl ring and you've you know, you've taken, you've 504 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: taken and built a team into a Super Bowl champion. 505 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: That gives you, that gives you a lot of credibility 506 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: for starters. And Doug is just he's just created a 507 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: culture in which, you know, he's gotten all the players 508 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: to buy into the you know, the team first mentality 509 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: that that he's created. So granted it sounds very cliche, 510 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: but that's what he's done. He's gotten He's gotten players 511 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: to put egos aside and not worry about their own 512 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: stats and just worry about winning. And once the Jaguars 513 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 3: did what they did last year, you know, going from 514 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 3: three to seven to winning I believe six of their 515 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: last uh their last seven games, five in a row, 516 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: and then and then coming back from twenty seven down 517 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: to beat the Chargers in the first round of the 518 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: playoffs and you know, kind of going toe to toe 519 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: with the Chiefs for the most part. In the follow up, 520 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: playoff game. You know that that that goes a long way. 521 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: And then you come into this season and now you've 522 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: got players who are not only have a belief because 523 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 3: of what they did last year, but they're all you know, 524 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: a lot of them are you know, a lot of 525 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: them are the particularly the skilled players and Trevor Lawrence. 526 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: They're in the second year of Doug system, so you know, 527 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: they don't have the same learning curve coming into this 528 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 3: year that they had last year. So so now all 529 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: of a sudden, you've got a team that you know 530 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: is eight and three and you know, has got probably 531 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: as good a chance as anybody in the AFC except 532 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 3: maybe the Chiefs, to secure the number one seed. I 533 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 3: mean that, you know, I'm getting a little ahead of 534 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 3: the head of ahead of things here a little bit. 535 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: But if the Jaguars take care of business Monday night 536 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: against the Bengals and then on the road against the Browns, 537 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: which I think will be a little tougher to do, 538 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: you know that that that game with the raven in 539 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: two weeks could either be for the number one or 540 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: the number two seed. And number two seed is important too, 541 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 3: because you could get to two home playoff games as 542 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: the number two seed if you win your if you 543 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: win your first playoff. 544 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 6: Game, absolutely no question about that. So what about the 545 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 6: offensive line? How how big of is Walker Little? They're 546 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 6: talking about him moving out there to left tackle if 547 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 6: Robinson can't go. And what about other Are there any 548 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 6: other injuries of note any other position group or is 549 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 6: it mostly in the old line? 550 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first of all, Cam Robinson is on 551 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: injured reserve, so he's not going to be eligible to 552 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: play for He won't be back for another three to 553 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: six weeks, depending on depending on how his knee heals. Okay, 554 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: so he's gone. Walker Little is going to be the 555 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: left tackle Ezra Cleveland guard that they acquired at the 556 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: trade deadline from the Minnesota Vikings. He has gone into 557 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: Walker Little's left guard spots. 558 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 6: Okay. 559 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: So other than that offensive line, they're pretty healthy until 560 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: Cam went down. The other significant injury in recent weeks 561 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 3: has been the starting cornerback, Tyson Campbell, who's had hamstring issues. 562 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: And you know, we'll find out more tomorrow from Doug 563 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: to get an update on whether Tyson's going to be 564 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: available on Monday night, I'd be I'd be guessing on 565 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 3: his availability because i thought he was going to make 566 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: it back last week and he didn't. So as as 567 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: as you know from day from your playing days, hamstrings 568 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: can be very iffy, and particularly for someone who has 569 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: to you know, has to has to be running around 570 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: a lot of cornerback, a receiver hamstring or running back 571 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 3: hamstrings are are everything. So but other than that, those 572 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: are really the the most significant injury issues. So there's, 573 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: as you know, this time of the year, that's going 574 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: to happen, and you know, unfortunately nobody knows more about, 575 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: you know, the biggest injuries than the Beast Bengals because 576 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: losing Joe Burrow just changes everything about the Bengals. 577 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 1: You've got that right. We are visiting the Gene Fournett 578 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: from the Florida Times Union. The Jags have three losses. 579 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: Nobody in the AFC has few er. The Ravens, Chiefs 580 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: and Dolphins also have three. So Jacksonville is clearly in 581 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: contention to be the AFC representative in the Super Bowl. 582 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: But they had that game three weeks ago where they 583 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: lost by thirty one to San fran Was that just 584 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: a perfect storm kind of day? The forty nine ers 585 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: had a losing streak. They were coming off of bye 586 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: and and everything that could go wrong went wrong. 587 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: Well, the Jaguars are coming off of buye that week 588 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: as well, so you know, so they had they had 589 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: the same benefit that the forty nine ers did. You know. 590 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: I would say more than anything, I think the matchup 591 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 3: was bad for the Jaguars. I think the forty nine 592 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: ers defensive front versus the Jaguars offensive line was a 593 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: little bit of a mismatch. But what made that score 594 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: so bad, as you know, which happens in a lot 595 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: of games, is when you have a minus for turnover ratio, 596 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: you know that's going to tend to widen the gap, yep, 597 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: in terms of the scoring margin. And that was that 598 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: was the case there forty Hey, listen, forty nine Ers played, played, 599 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: played really really well that day. Deserve to win. Jaguars 600 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 3: deserve to get blown out. Had four turnovers. But as 601 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: you know, this is the NF the NFL is a 602 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: week to week league. It's it's really hard to gauge 603 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: how good the forty nine ers are based on just 604 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: that game, or how suspect the Jaguars might be as 605 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl contender based on that game. I would 606 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: say that game said more about the strength and Super 607 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: Bowl potential of the forty nine ers than it did 608 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: about the Jaguars. 609 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 6: So continuing along the turnover line, minus four, yeah, you're 610 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 6: not going to the percentages of winning that game or nil. 611 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 6: Team fumbles offensively tied for fifth most in the league 612 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 6: and lost eleven of them, which is second most in 613 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 6: the league. A little bit diceing in ball security. Have 614 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 6: those coming bunches? I mean, has it been like, Okay, 615 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 6: San Francisco is four turner where the like? Have there 616 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 6: been multiple games where it's been like three four turnovers 617 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 6: or has it been a perpetual problem from a fumbling standpoint, I. 618 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: Would say it's been hit or miss. They've had games 619 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: where they've done really good job of taking care of 620 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 3: the ball and other games where that has not happened. 621 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: The first Houston game, I believe there were minus two 622 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: in turnover ratio. I mean, it's not like, listen, it's 623 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: not like the Jaguars are you know, their turnover margins 624 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: certainly not not bad because they were you know, they 625 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: lead the they lead the NFL and takeaways, so their 626 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: defense has been making up for it off you know, offsetting, 627 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 3: right whatever, whatever, Travail's the offense has had and Trevor 628 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: Lawrence has four of those fumbles, by the way, He's 629 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 3: has seven in all, but he's lost, right, So this 630 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: is something that pops up at times. I would not 631 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: say it's a consistent every week thing that would be 632 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: that would be misleading. But I mean, to me, the 633 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: bigger concern for the Jaguars is just getting is keeping 634 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: the chains moving on third down. They've had issues with 635 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: third down efficiency most of the season. Now, they did 636 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: really well last week, I guess the Texans. They converted 637 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: seven of thirteen first downs, but I think I think 638 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: that game in Buffalo are the only two games where 639 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 3: the Jaguars have had at least fifty percent conversion on 640 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: third down. They're basically about right around thirty five thirty 641 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: six percent and have been ranked in the you know, 642 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: in the twenties all year on third down efficiency, which 643 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: is a little bit of a concern because you've got 644 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: some really good weapons on the outside and Christian Kirk, 645 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley, tight end, Evin Ingram, and you've got a 646 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: really really quality back in Travis Travis etn So when 647 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: you had that many good skill players and you've got 648 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: a quarterback with the arm talent of Trevor Lawrence, you 649 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: should be converting on third down more than thirty seven 650 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: percent at the time. But that hasn't happened, and that's 651 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: got to That has got to get better, because I 652 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: just don't think you can win in the postseason without 653 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: being able to move a change a little bit better 654 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: than that. 655 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 6: Finally, I appreciate you carving the time that you have 656 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 6: for us. Defensively, units playing pretty darn well. I mean, boy, 657 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 6: the fourth in the NFL stopping the run they've got 658 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 6: you know, Allen has got twelve quarterback sacks. Walkers a problem. 659 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 6: On the other side of things, they've both got over 660 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 6: thirty pressures quarterback pressures. The only team that has a 661 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 6: defensive duo with that kind of pressure in the in 662 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 6: the in the stats I was looking at overall, are 663 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 6: they surprised at the level of play of the defense 664 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 6: or is it pretty much up to expectation. 665 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: You see a. 666 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: Little bit better than a lot of people thought when 667 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: the season began. I didn't I didn't think the I 668 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: didn't think the defense was going to be as it 669 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 3: was going to be as I don't want to say 670 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: stout because they are ranked twentieth in the NFL overall, right, 671 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: they're fourth against the run, but it's the takeaways that's 672 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: that's the key, is that, you know, they give up 673 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: yards and particularly unpassing, right, I mean, they're the Jaguars 674 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 3: are twenty eighth in the league in pass defense with 675 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty five yards, So they're giving up yards. 676 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: What they're not giving up is a lot of touchdowns 677 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: because they're either holding teams to field goals or they're 678 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: getting takeaways. So you know, that's what that's what's been 679 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: probably the biggest factor in the Jaguars being eight and 680 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 3: three is that. And I and you know, and I 681 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: might add this, I'm I was really surprised today to 682 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 3: find out that the Bengals are thirty first in the 683 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: league in total defense and twenty ninth against the run, 684 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: twenty six against the pass. I mean, when you see 685 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: numbers like that, those are the kind of numbers you 686 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: see from a team that's like three and eight or 687 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: two and nine. But somehow the Bengals with the twenty 688 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 3: seventh ranked offense, thirty second rank run offense, thirty one, 689 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 3: twenty nine, twenty six across the board on defense is 690 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 3: five and six. 691 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 6: You know what, it's the same You. 692 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: Could make an argument that they came close to being 693 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 3: they came close to being seven and four. 694 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 6: It's the same thing. You got twenty takeaways down there 695 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 6: in Jacksonville. The Bengals have nineteen. You know, you've held 696 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 6: the opponent without a point in the red zone seven times, 697 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 6: which is top five in the league. The Bengals have 698 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 6: done at eight times, which is tied for best in 699 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 6: the league. So takeaways, you know, not giving up points 700 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 6: and holding them to field goals. It's the same same 701 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 6: type of formula that you just described for Jacksonville. That's 702 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 6: why the Bengals are where they're at. 703 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: It's crazy well, you know, and also you have to 704 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 3: factor in that if Burrow hadn't gotten her the Bengals 705 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 3: could easily be eaten three right now, right But he's 706 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: been gone for Was this the third game he was gone? 707 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: No, he's missed a game and a half. Essentially, he 708 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: got injured in the second quarter of the Baltimore game. 709 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: But keep in mind he wasn't healthy for the first 710 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: four games of the year. So they had a healthy 711 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow for about five games and went four and one. 712 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, the first month of the season month since he 713 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 6: got hurt. So well, the first month of the season 714 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 6: he was playing hurt, he was a statue. I mean, 715 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 6: he could not move. It was it was kind of 716 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 6: sad to watch, really. 717 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and quite frankly, that's gonna. I mean, 718 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 3: I don't you know, I would say, I just what 719 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 3: little I've observed of Jake Browning. He's a serviceable backup 720 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 3: quarterback by by NFL standards. You know, he's not the 721 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: best backup in the league. Not the worst, yep. But 722 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 3: you know, listen, I mean, you're gonna you're gonna have 723 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 3: in most cases, you're gonna have a drop off from 724 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: your starting quarterback. If you don't have a drop off 725 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 3: from your starting quarterback to your back, it probably means 726 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 3: you don't have a very good starget to begin. But 727 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 3: but I mean, Joe Burrow, in my view, when he's right, 728 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: when he's healthy and right, is easily a top three 729 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: or four quarterback in the league. It's just, you know, 730 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I I I hate it when I 731 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 3: when I see stars go out and get injured like that. 732 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, this game Monday night would have 733 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 3: so much more juice to it if Joe Burrow was 734 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 3: out there. I want to see Joe Burrow go against 735 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence. That's what I want to see, you know. 736 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 3: And I mean no, no disrespect to Jake Browning, but uh, 737 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, I mean it'd be much bigger feather in 738 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 3: the Jaguars cap if they were to beat Joe Burrow 739 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 3: than if they beat Joe Jake Browning. And then they've 740 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: got the same break next week when they go to Cleveland. 741 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: There's no Deshaun Watson there. So all of a sudden, 742 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 3: this NF this AFC North Gauntlet that the Jaguars that 743 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 3: everybody had the Jaguars face, you know, dealing with Cincinnati 744 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 3: on Monday night, then Cleveland on the road, and then 745 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: uh Baltimore, Baltimore Ravens on Sunday night, who are without 746 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 3: tight end mirk Mark Andrews. Well, that dauntlet isn't as 747 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 3: daunting anymore. Right, So the Jaguars aren't good ship. They 748 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 3: got the second easiest amongst all the AFC contenders. They 749 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: have the second easiest schedule remaining. 750 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 6: And the Bengals don't. 751 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: Thirty and thirty and thirty seven and the next and 752 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: the easiest schedule. It belongs to the Chiefs twenty seven 753 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 3: and forty one combined record of their opponents. 754 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 6: And every opponent remaining for the Bengals on their schedule 755 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 6: has a winning record, just the opposite. 756 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know, no, Cincinnati. Cincinnati is not. I mean, 757 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 3: it would take an absolute miracle for them to sneak 758 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 3: in and maybe snatch that last wild card spot. I mean, 759 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 3: it's just it's a shame. But you know, that's that's football, 760 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 3: that's the attrition of the game. And in my opinion, 761 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three season will when you pick out 762 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 3: the worst injury, unless something happens to either Lamar or 763 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, that one's the worst one. 764 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: Jags are favored by eight and a half on Monday Night. 765 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: Here's an invitation to join lapp in me for the 766 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: Bengals pep Rally Show this week. We'll be at the 767 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: Wings and Rings location in Crestview Hills, Kentucky on Friday 768 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: from three to six, and our special guest in the 769 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: final hour of the show will be former Bengals offensive 770 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: lineman Joe Walter. That's going to do it for this 771 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast brought to you by 772 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: pay Corps. 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