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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars and Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined us always by our Bara. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Bars. So starting with the defensive line. We

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Speaker 1: always joke about this.

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Speaker 2: You get into the weeds of what's a defensive lineman?

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Speaker 3: What's an edge defender? Do you even like the terror

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Speaker 3: manage defender? And now you hate it?

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Speaker 4: I know who did this year? Madden put it in

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 2: I figured since Mad, since Madden put it into.

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Speaker 4: The game, I need that.

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Speaker 3: Why not because I've been telling you it exists for

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Speaker 3: like five years, But now that it's in Madden, it's

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Speaker 3: finally on your roster.

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Speaker 4: No, I'll tell you honestly why I did it. And

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Speaker 4: this is how I've always felt about edge. I think

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Speaker 4: where edge is when you go through the draft. There

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Speaker 4: are guys that, depending on what team drafts them and

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Speaker 4: what system they'll be playing in, do you have to

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Speaker 4: call them an edge because you don't know?

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 4: The thing that always bugged me is once they're on

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Speaker 4: a team, you know what position they're playing because you

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Speaker 4: can put them in that system. So it makes it

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Speaker 4: a little clearer. But we don't exactly know how this

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Speaker 4: Rabel system is going to use certain guys, so this

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Speaker 4: might be a one year thing for me. I might

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Speaker 4: go back next year when we have a better look

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Speaker 4: at this defense, but for the time being, it can

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Speaker 4: go either way, so I have use it this year.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, And.

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Speaker 3: I love our semantics, arguments about positions, about metrics, you know,

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Speaker 3: about analytics, all that kind of stuff. But edge versus

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Speaker 3: outside linebacker for us is as og as it gets.

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Speaker 3: That's that goes back to when we started working with

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Speaker 3: each other, that we were disputing those two terms. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: Evan Lazarre, Alex Bart with you guys for the next

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Speaker 3: couple of hours here we are live today, but I

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Speaker 3: want to tell everybody what's going on here for the

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Speaker 3: next couple of weeks because yours truly is getting hitched,

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Speaker 3: getting married, finally happening, very excited about it. So I

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Speaker 3: and that we're going on a honeymoon to Martha's Vineyard

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Speaker 3: for the week, which is our spot.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very much looking forward to that gratulation.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, and so that we're not gonna

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Speaker 3: have a live show the next two weeks after today,

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Speaker 3: but we do have something for you because I couldn't

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Speaker 3: leave you guys hanging completely, And of course my brain

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Speaker 3: is worried about filling you know, Catch twenty two and

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Speaker 3: doing Patriots podcast when I'm getting married, which is totally normal,

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Speaker 3: but that's gonna happen. We're taping that ahead of time,

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Speaker 3: and then we're still gonna give you guys a show

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Speaker 3: next Wednesday, it just won't be live like it is today.

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Speaker 3: So when you see it on YouTube or wherever you

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Speaker 3: get your podcast, don't call in, don't email in, because

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Speaker 3: we're not actually live on the air during that show

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Speaker 3: next week. But we're you're only gonna miss us for

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Speaker 3: one week, so I feel like that's that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: But today's show, we are going to talk about some

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Speaker 3: of the latest NFL news. Not a ton going on

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Speaker 3: in patriot Land right now. Frankly, nothing going on in

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Speaker 3: But NFL trade went on obviously earlier this week with

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins and the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: I use trades. There is another one yesterday.

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Speaker 2: There was another one yesterday. Yeah, would I miss it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I text you about it.

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Speaker 2: Darren Waller, Oh, Darren Waller, Okay, yeah connected, Yep.

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Speaker 4: Dolphins made trades on back to back I would love well.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's technically not back to back days in July.

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Speaker 4: I would love to know the last team time a

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Speaker 2: It's a good question.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk about the We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: five hundred and at Patriots. I always forget what the

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Speaker 3: talk about this Dolphins Steelers trade, not the Darren Waller trade,

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Speaker 3: but we can get to that. The Dolphins Steelers trade

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Speaker 3: is Patriots adjacent.

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Speaker 3: It's an AFC's team into Miami Dolphins, of course, but

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Speaker 3: also the Steelers are on the Patriots schedule. The Patriots

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Speaker 3: telling us that our team is making bad moves, Like,

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Speaker 3: maybe worry about your own house before you start pointing fingers.

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Speaker 2: At everybody else.

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Speaker 3: But I Besides that point, I really am perplexed by

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Speaker 3: and yet they're trading away to really productive players for

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Speaker 3: there were contract issues and turmoil there with those two

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Speaker 4: It's not much behind that.

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Speaker 2: There's not much behind that.

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Speaker 3: it was a cool trade. It was an NBA MLB

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Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, I was surprised. I don't unless maybe

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Speaker 4: Fitzpatrick to Jalen Ramsey just to get yourself John Smith

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Speaker 4: and John Smith is not the player. He wasn't doing that.

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Speaker 4: He's better player than that. The Dolphins figured him out

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Speaker 4: last year all that, he's still not worth that. So

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Speaker 4: it just I don't really get it from either side. Right,

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Speaker 4: ultimately you get Minka Fitzpatrick, who I think is a

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Speaker 3: trade for Jalen Ramsey and Johnny Smith. These are win now,

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Speaker 3: we're all in on twenty twenty five type moves. Now,

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Speaker 3: with that being said, there's obviously a path where this

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Speaker 3: like it was with the Jets. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: very similar situation, very similar layout there. It's either gonna

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Speaker 3: There really doesn't seem to be any in between, but

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Speaker 3: at least they are they're going for it.

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Speaker 2: In theory.

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Speaker 3: The Dolphins are resetting in my mind, like they look

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Speaker 2: Picking in the top five. Especially it's a top five

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Speaker 4: With this line, right, I mean, it's it's bad the offense.

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Speaker 3: So here here's their starting secondary right now without Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 4: And then do the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: So the offensive line in Miami right now, your boy Patrick.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit better, but yeah, darn low James

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Speaker 3: I just don't know how you look at this roster

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Speaker 3: So the Dolphins has had their number, no, no doubt

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Speaker 3: I think that that could change, I really do. This

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Speaker 4: Not getting any younger.

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Speaker 4: Thirty one years old. The history of wide receivers after

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Speaker 3: So I know, I know I'm being glass half full

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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of upside.

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Speaker 3: And it's similar to how when they drafted Jordan Phillips

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Speaker 4: But when you have all these other holes, like defensive tackle,

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Speaker 4: you know, Aaron Donald's his own thing. Yeah, he's not

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Speaker 3: So they are all in on this defensive line. They

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Speaker 4: First those are their first round picks the last three years.

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Speaker 3: Not quite in that Chris Jones, you know, Jalen Carter tier.

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Speaker 3: And they still have Bradley Chubb, who I don't know

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Speaker 4: I saw somebody tweeted something like Darren Waller is a

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Speaker 3: He's got a little bit of that Johnnys Smith's ability

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Speaker 4: Look, when he was on, he was a tremendously tremendously

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Speaker 3: His entire body was in shambles. He was done and

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Speaker 3: obviously he was done playing in New England as well.

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Speaker 3: So there's just a couple of different factors there with Gronk.

436
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 3: But he comes back after a year of resetting his

437
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 3: body to play with his quarterback, to play with Brady.

438
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 3: This is a little bit of a different situation for

439
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: Darren Waller. But maybe Darren Waller comes back and and

440
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: is the Darren Waller at least for another year. For Gronk,

441
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: it was it was like a year or two that

442
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: he that he was a factor in Tampa Bay. So

443
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: maybe Darren Waller can do the same thing. But interesting

444
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 3: trade from a dolphin's perspective. From the Steelers' perspective, just quickly,

445
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 3: here here's the look at the Steelers starters. I really

446
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 3: like what Pittsburgh has done in theory outside of Rogers.

447
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: If they had anybody else at quarterback that made me

448
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: feel any better about that situation. Besides Rogers, you know,

449
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: DK metcalf, Robert Woods, Calvin Austin, but they have Roman Wilson,

450
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: who I really liked in the draft last year. Who

451
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 3: got hurt in his rookie training camp. He's coming back

452
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 3: from injury, so he's going to be in the mix

453
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: as well. Their offensive line, I don't know if it's great,

454
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: but they have Troy Fotto who they just drafted, Broderick

455
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: Joe so they just drafted. So they have two first

456
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: round picks, recent first round picks in twenty three and

457
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 3: twenty four at left and right tackle. There you mentioned

458
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: the tight end room is really good on paper. I

459
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: mean Frimrith and Johnny Smith and Darnel Washington's a really

460
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: good combination there at tight end. And then Jalen Warren

461
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: and Caleb Johnson sort of their one two punch at

462
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 3: running back. And that brings us to the defense, which

463
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Speaker 3: I wanted to kind of segue into this other part

464
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 3: of this discussion. This trade goes down Ramsey and Johnny Smith.

465
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: Not all that different than what's going on in Pittsburgh

466
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: with TJ.

467
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: Watt.

468
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 3: TJ Watt wants a new contract, Jalen Ramsey wanted out

469
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Speaker 3: of Miami. Johnny Smith wanted a new contract with the

470
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Speaker 3: Dolphins that he didn't get.

471
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Speaker 2: So TJ. Watt now is.

472
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Speaker 3: Sitting there with this Steelers situation. Everything the Steelers have done,

473
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: trading for Ramsey, trading for DK, signing Rogers, all this

474
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: stuff signals that the Steelers want to be all in

475
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: on twenty five. So to then go ahead and trade

476
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: your best defensive player, maybe your best player on your

477
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: entire team and TJ. Watt doesn't make a whole lot

478
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 3: of sense. But at the same time, it hasn't resolved.

479
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: The situation hasn't resolved. He still needs a new contract,

480
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: he still doesn't have a new contract. And should the

481
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Speaker 3: Patriots be interested if he is available.

482
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: I mean they should. I just all believe it when

483
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: I see it. I don't think he's going to be

484
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 4: available for all the reasons you just said. But if

485
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a contract, he doesn't have a contract.

486
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: If I'm the Steelers, I'm running this out into the

487
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 4: regular season. Like if he can't get on the field

488
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 4: till October, fine, I'd be okay with that, But I

489
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: mean not okay with it, but like it's it's better

490
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: than trading him. But if he is available yet, he'd

491
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: be a great We talked about with his Patriots defense,

492
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 4: like we really like the secondary they've got some intriguing

493
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 4: player as a linebacker. They've brought in some good, complimentary

494
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 4: pass rushers, you know, compared to like the wide receiver

495
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: room right, guys that are good capitalizing off the opportunities

496
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: created by a leader. But they don't have that lead

497
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Speaker 4: pass rusher, just like they don't have that number one

498
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 4: wide receiver. They don't have their Matthew Judon. You plug TJ.

499
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: Watt into this, and now calebon Chason's gonna have a

500
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: bunch of one on ones like he did opposite Max

501
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 4: Crosby last year. Harold Landry's gonna have a bunch of

502
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: one on ones. You're gonna get to let some of

503
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: these younger guys pin their ears back Braden Swinson right.

504
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 4: It completely changes the dynamic, completely changes the dynamic of

505
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: the defense that we already think might be pretty good.

506
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: So whether Tim I know we'll get to Trey Hendrickson,

507
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 4: I think Trey Hendrickson I could see leaving. I think

508
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson's more realistic than TJ. Watt if I had

509
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 4: I don't think either of them leave. But if I

510
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: had to pick one that I think will become available,

511
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: I think it's Hendrickson. Either one of those guys though,

512
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: Like that's that that would be the move the Patriot

513
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 4: should be in on that.

514
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: It's very similar in a lot of ways to how

515
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: we look at their wide receiver room with the Patriots,

516
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 3: it's you have some guys that can make some plays,

517
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: but do.

518
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Speaker 2: You have that alpha number one?

519
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna draw the attention, that's gonna draw the

520
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 3: Tuesday matchup. That's gonna be that type of player. And

521
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: in the pass rush they might have that in the interior,

522
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: like Christian Barmore Milton Williams might be Tuesday players. You

523
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: know they if both those guys hit, If Christian Barmore

524
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: gets back to the way he was pre blood clots

525
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: and Milton Williams is as good as his potential and

526
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: his flashes in Philadelphia showed that he was, then that

527
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: is a Tuesday player type of build of building block

528
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: right there where teams are gonna have to worry about

529
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: on the interior, how are we going to block these

530
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 3: two guys? And maybe that's enough to tilt the scales

531
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Speaker 3: where the outside doesn't have as many resources for double

532
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: teams or chips or slides, you know, presiding protections and

533
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: things all that fancy stuff.

534
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: They got to play a really really high level to

535
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 4: make that reality. So T J.

536
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 3: Watt would be the finishing piece, no doubt about it.

537
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 3: He'd be the icing on the cake there to kind

538
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: of really round out this line. And I think he's

539
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: a great fit for the style that Rabel wants to play,

540
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: just this upfield more of a splash play player at

541
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 3: his peak than he is, you know, somebody that's just

542
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: going to like consistently, you know, hold the edge and

543
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: press the pocket and that kind of thing. That's maybe

544
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: the one reason, and I want to get to Hendrickson separately,

545
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: but like it might be the one reason why I

546
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: favor Watt a little bit more over Hendrickson because Henderson,

547
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: to me is a really sturdy, consistent player, really good,

548
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 3: really good player. But he's not necessarily this like flashy

549
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: up the field player. He's more of like a push

550
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: the pocket, finish sacks, finish rushes, you good two way player,

551
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: really solid, but not necessarily a big time playmaker behind

552
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, like what forts his fumbles, he

553
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: makes plays against the run, he pressures the quarterback. Obviously

554
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: much more splashier player in my mind, but I don't

555
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: know if he'll be available now. The one thing that

556
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: I wanted to throw out there because fake trade machine

557
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: here for a second, how what is the compensation realistically

558
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: for TJ Watt?

559
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: Didn't some Pittsburgh radio guy in like April Reporter is

560
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: gonna be a second round pick, So I might be

561
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: imagining that hang.

562
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: On second or third round pick feels about.

563
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: Right as a third round pick yet done.

564
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: He's thirty years old, and he needs a new contract,

565
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: and those two factors, even though he's a great, great player,

566
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: those two factors always matter in the league. They always

567
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: matter when you have a guy that's aging and a

568
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: guy that wants a big money contract, those two things

569
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: are going to coincide to hurt the compensation.

570
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: The deal.

571
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: And this goes for Hendrickson as well. Max Crosby just

572
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: signed a three year deal worth one hundred and six

573
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: million dollars. Yeah, sixty two point five million guaranteed. It's

574
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: right around thirty five million a year.

575
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 4: Now.

576
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: Max Crosby's twenty seven, TJ Watt's thirty, So there's a

577
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: difference in age there, but I think at the bare

578
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: minimum for TJ Watt, you're talking about twenty five million

579
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 3: a year and maybe even pushing thirty. So that's probably

580
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: what he's looking for, I would say.

581
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 4: So here's where I'm at with that.

582
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: Like that, my point is that whoever trades for him

583
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: is gonna need to give him a contract too, sure,

584
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: otherwise here gonna be in the same position as the

585
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers.

586
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: No, you're you're obviously I'm not trading for him to

587
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: like as a one year rental like you. If you're

588
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 4: giving up that much, you're giving him a contract. Let's

589
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: put that in there. Over the cap. Has the Patriots

590
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: with sixty point six million dollars in cap space.

591
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: They have that's not an issue. It's not a cap space.

592
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 4: Nobody else has more than forty five. Is this real?

593
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: Or in the red next year? How's that possible? No,

594
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 4: that's not all right anyway. The point being this is,

595
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 4: this is the whole thing about the rookie contract for

596
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: the quarterback. This is this is what you do like

597
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: you can. I wouldn't want what on the books past

598
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: when you're gonna be extending Drake Man, but I don't

599
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: think that's gonna be an issue. Right, So you have

600
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: this year will be your two, Next year will be

601
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: your three year four Even if you want to play

602
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: with the fifty year option, it probably wouldn't be a

603
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: lot of guaranteed money. You could probably even stretch it

604
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: to four years if you really want to, as long

605
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: as he's off the books by or maybe you take

606
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: one year back to make wiggle room for the Christian

607
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: Zales extension. But if you have him off the books

608
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: by the time you have to pay Gonzalz you have

609
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: to pay may. You don't have any big contracts on

610
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: the books, right, Who are they paying? Who are their

611
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: pending FRA agent this offseason that's going to get a

612
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: big fat contract? I think? Correct me if I'm wrong.

613
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: I think their biggest penning phragan is Marcus Jones.

614
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: Sounds right, which I.

615
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: Like Marcus Jones and he's a good player. He's not

616
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: realistically a guy that's breaking the bank.

617
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: So Milon Williams is definitely their biggest contract.

618
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: But he's on the books now. Yeah, he's accounted for, right, So.

619
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: You're saying guys are adding gotcha?

620
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah right. So it's not something that like if

621
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: you could you have the flexibility to pay him, you

622
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: have the wiggle room to pay him and get him

623
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: on the books for a little bit, even if you

624
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 4: have to overpay, because you have the flexibility the rookie

625
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: quarterback contract. Use that to bolster the rest of the

626
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: roster to make it easier on Drake May so that

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: when it is time for him to be the guy,

628
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: he already knows what it looks like to win, depending

629
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: on the season. Klevon Chase on has Marcus Jones is

630
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: their biggest pending free agent.

631
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: Uh, can I throw another crazy trade idea at you?

632
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, just real quick. Austin Hooper, Cole Strange, Marcus Jones,

633
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 4: Klevon Chase, On, Jalen Hawkins. Those are really they're only starters,

634
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: guys that we think are going to be starters that

635
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: are going to be free agents next year unrestricted.

636
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: They have a couple of r fas, So TJ.

637
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: Watt and I again, I think you can throw Trey

638
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: Hendrickson similar, similar idea, similar concept with both those players.

639
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, this all applies to.

640
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: This is purely speculative. Purely speculative. If the Steelers called

641
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: you and said, we are gauging the market for t J. Watt, Yeah,

642
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: we want a third round picking Keyon White. Oh, because

643
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: to me This is happening more and more. We just

644
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: saw Ramsey and Fitzpatrick get traded for you know, player

645
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: for player Ramsey and John who for Fitzpatrick. It's happening

646
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: a little bit more in the league now that players

647
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: are getting involved in some of these trades. They're not

648
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: just straight up picks. The Steelers clearly want to win now,

649
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: They're clearly a win now mode. You send them ke

650
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: On White, who can be a starter for them on

651
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: their defensive line, and the Patriots get a guy that's

652
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: a little bit more proven and has a little bit

653
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: more uh splashed to his name into his game. I

654
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: would say it in Keon White and and really more

655
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: of a pure four to three rush linebacker, like not

656
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: necessarily the tweeter that Keon White is as well, would

657
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: you do it if you're the Patriots?

658
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: As much as like, how's it going? I want to

659
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: see Keon White's defense. I think this defense is a

660
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: great fit for him. I think it's gonna unlock a lot.

661
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be awesome. But as somebody who

662
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: is such an affinity for the mystery box or the boat, take,

663
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: don't I kind of have to take what or Hendrickson, like,

664
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 4: Keon White could be anything. He could even be.

665
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's twenty six, so he's obviously much younger.

666
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 4: Than Yeah, this guy. But like, was it a third

667
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: round pick in one of those guys.

668
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's call it a third round pick and Keon

669
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: White for Water or Hendrickson.

670
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Speaker 4: I think I'm take cornered. I think I have to

671
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: do it because I'm I'm it's the mystery box or

672
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: the boat.

673
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: It's fun because.

674
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: You can see it from both sides, and like I said,

675
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: these trades are becoming a little bit more popular now

676
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: where the Steelers or the Bengals are trading the best

677
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: player in the trade, there's no doubt about that. But

678
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: they're at least getting somebody back that's a starting caliber player,

679
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: so they're not completely deviat of talent at that position now.

680
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: So it helps out both sides by doing something like that.

681
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: I really love the idea. It's you're right, it's a

682
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: mystery box versus boat. I love the idea of Kean White.

683
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: He's much more affordable, he's much younger. Those things are

684
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: obviously factors in all of this, but for a team

685
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: like the Patriots, it does feel a little bit premature

686
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: to trade for water Hendrickson because you're not truly in

687
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: the window yet.

688
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: You're you're you're right outside the window, like the window.

689
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: You're cracking the window open.

690
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I know you're not getting a lot closer

691
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: to the window. I think that's gonna be good for

692
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: Drake May's development. I think it's gonna be good for

693
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: Mike Rabel. They win more games with an established pass

694
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: rusher on the roster. We are not in tank territory anymore.

695
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: We should not be worrying about the draft pick. I

696
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: posted the other day. I posted the other day. Uh

697
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: EA Sports put out the rankings for the college football

698
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: the overall ratings for the players for this year's game,

699
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: which drops on Monday, and I posted the wide receiver

700
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: rankings because my guy Jordan Tyson is third behind Ryan

701
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: Williams and Jeremiah Smith, and savage friend of the program replied,

702
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the twenty twenty seven draft and like,

703
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, those guys are great. But here's

704
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 4: the thing. If they're picking high enough that they can

705
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 4: draft Ryan Williams or Jeremiah Smith, there are much, much,

706
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: much bigger problems at hand, and they probably shouldn't be

707
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: drafting a wide receiver to begin with, so unless they

708
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: make some crazy trade. So like, we need to be

709
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 4: done with the draft stuff. We need to be done

710
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: with the will is the window open or is it not?

711
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 4: Like I know they're not gonna Probably this one trade

712
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: won't make them contenders for a Super Bowl. They need

713
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: to be focused on winning as many football games as possible.

714
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: That's what matters now. Building that winning culture, building that

715
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: winning environment. Having some of these young players Drake May,

716
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: Christian Zalez, Will Campbell understand what it takes to win

717
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: in this league, and winning regularly in this league and

718
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: win against high level opponents in this league. In a

719
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 4: player like TJ Watt or a player like Trey Hendrickson

720
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: is going to help you do that, and that needs

721
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: to be the priority right now.

722
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: I would do it. That's why I threw it out there.

723
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: I didn't throw it out there to say I wouldn't

724
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: do it. That would be silly.

725
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: I do that all the time. You can absolutely do that.

726
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: No, I would do that trade. I would make that trade.

727
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: I would. It wouldn't be easy. It wouldn't be easy.

728
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be it.

729
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: It has absolutely nothing to do with it's writing it

730
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: is going to be a good player. I just look

731
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: at it from the Patriots perspective, kind of like what

732
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: you're saying. I feel as though that expedites things a

733
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: little bit, and it also in a lot of ways

734
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: takes some pressure off of Drake May because there's a

735
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: lot riding right now, in my opinion, as we look

736
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: ahead the training camp and all that kind of stuff.

737
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about in the off season, their

738
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: draft and their free agent additions, and rightfully so, but

739
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: at this point of the season, at this point of

740
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: the offseason, the dust has kind of settled on all

741
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: of that, and now you just realize, if Drake May

742
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: is not the guy, then their poor kind of anyways, right,

743
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: and then we're going back into the carousel in four

744
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: or five years. A great way to support your young

745
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: quarterback is obviously to stack the roster with as much

746
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: talent around him as possible. A young quarterback TJ Water,

747
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: Trey Henderson puts their defense into good to potentially great turk.

748
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: I think, I mean health and all that. Right, you

749
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 4: add one of those guys and I think we can

750
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: legitimately talk about them being a top five defense I

751
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: think right now, top tens realistic, Hendrickson, top five, Williams.

752
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: You had a guy like.

753
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: Landry as your front four with Davis and Gonzo and

754
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: the two safeties in the back.

755
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just studs. It's just everywhere.

756
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: It's great. It's a great roster.

757
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: You're talking about a top five defense out. When's the

758
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 4: last time a team with the top five defense didn't

759
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: make the playoffs?

760
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Ask chat at UBT. They'll tell you.

761
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: The other trade person trade candidate I wanted to get

762
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 3: to before we move on here is Terry McLaurin in Washington.

763
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: Out of all of the players that we've talked about,

764
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: I would probably rank McLaurin as the least likely to

765
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: get traded. Out of these three guys, Watt, Hendrickson, McLaurin,

766
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: I probably go from order of least likely to most

767
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: likely McLaurin, Watt Hendrickson. I think Hendrickson has the most

768
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 3: likely odds of getting traded because it since An and

769
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: the Bengals have paid everybody so far. They paid to Higgins,

770
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: they paid Jamar Chase, they played Burrow. I don't know

771
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: how much more money is going to be printed in

772
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: Cincinnati at this point to give to Trey Hendrickson. So

773
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: McLaurin I think is a long shot to get dealt

774
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: but he does want a contract. He has been holding

775
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: out throughout the spring. We'll see if he continues to

776
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: hold out in training camp, but he wants a new deal.

777
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: If I'm Washington, I'm doing it. I'm figuring it out.

778
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: The last thing that you want to do to Jaden.

779
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: Daniels is take away his best receiver in his second season.

780
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: It would be beyond moronic of the You kind of

781
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: have to give him what he wants. It goes back

782
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: to what I said about the rookie contract. This is

783
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 4: the benefit just bugged me out the Sports Sub.

784
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: Show, and Polly p. Paul is on the Sports Ub

785
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: talking about the exact same thing.

786
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: You have the quarterback on a rookie deal. I'm not

787
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: saying give Terry McLaurin like a five year Oh yeah,

788
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: that was that lower third say, should the Patriots consider

789
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: trying to trade for t J water c Literally the

790
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 4: exact same converce energy We should have done across or

791
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: you should have. But again, you're the commanders. You have

792
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 4: the financial flexibility. The quarterback on a rookie contract. They

793
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: would be idiots to not give him what he wants.

794
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: And you add more money for shorter term if you're

795
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: worried about the term, but you have to pay him,

796
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 4: all right. You want to who the last top five

797
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: defense was to not make the playoffs. Yes, it's kind

798
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: of a no duh thing. What team in the NFL

799
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 4: would manage to have a top five defense and still

800
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 4: not make the playoffs?

801
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: Top five defenses still not make the playoffs?

802
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: Oh even they were seven and four and then lost

803
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: their last six games. What team does that sound like?

804
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know.

805
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 4: Patriots Division, the Jets, Yeah, Jets, the twenty twenty two Jets,

806
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: but like that's an asterisk because that's the Jets and

807
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: they could screw anything up. So I'm back to twenty

808
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: twenty one. I still haven't found anybody yet. Top two

809
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: defenses in football twenty twenty one Patriots and Bills.

810
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: So pulling up on the Terry McLaurin front, which is

811
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

812
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: Broncos didn't twenty two one, so it's been a few years.

813
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: But like, you have a top five defense, you're probably

814
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: gonna make the playoffs.

815
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: I want to belabor this one because I really don't

816
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: think mclaurin's gonna get dealt. But no, DK Metcalf went

817
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: for a second round pick from Seattle to Pittsburgh this offseason,

818
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: second round draft pick. I know you're a huge DK guy.

819
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: I believe mclaurin's a better player than DK, but that

820
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 3: would seem to be the floor.

821
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: He is definitely a better fit for uh mcdan Kingles offense.

822
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be the floor in my mind from

823
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: McLaurin at the bare minimum would be a second round pick,

824
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: and it might take more. It might be even even

825
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: more than that. But to go back to my I.

826
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: Think he's worth the same as Metcalf. I would do

827
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 4: the Metcalf deal for McLaurin.

828
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: So I think he's a little bit better a player.

829
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: But if you're it's.

830
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: Also later in the process players aren't worth as much.

831
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: He's twenty nine and in Metcalf's a little bit younger. Yeah,

832
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: that might be the only the only difference. Mclaurin's a

833
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: better player, better route, a more well rounded player. You know,

834
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: DK is an awesome field stretcher, but that's what he is.

835
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 3: He's a one trick pony. Deep threat, really really good

836
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 3: at it. It's one hundred and two mile an hour

837
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: up in the zone, right like it's a great fastball.

838
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: But that's that's what he's good at.

839
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: McLaurin just awesome player, just great route runner, great at

840
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: the catch point, tough as nails, competitive, just great football.

841
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: I've always said this not to revisit the twenty nineteen draft,

842
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: but like as much as people bemoan that, and they

843
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: could have had AJ Brown, they could have had DK Metcalf,

844
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: they were never drafting. They were never Deebo Samuel. They

845
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: were never drafting those guys. Those guys, and look, you

846
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: can argue, given their track record, maybe they should have

847
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: done things differently than what their traditional philosophy was, but

848
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: they're what their philosophy was at the time. AJ Brown,

849
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel didn't fit the philosophy, didn't fit

850
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: the mold of the kind of receivers they drafted. You

851
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: know who did, Terry Laurin. He was a great gunn right,

852
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: he played all four downs. I think it was a

853
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: multi year team captain if I remember correctly at Ohio State.

854
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: That was the only thing that didn't fit the mold.

855
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 4: Is in draft Ohio State.

856
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: Guys, but that's probably why I haven't drafted them.

857
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: I've always said this, like, if we're gonna just look

858
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: at it objectively, the real miss in twenty nineteen is

859
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin because he checked so many of their boxes.

860
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: The other guys went on to be great, and yeah,

861
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: would have been great if they drafted them, but it

862
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: would have been so out of character. They could have

863
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: drafted Terry McLaurin gotten obviously better player Thanikhil Harry, but

864
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: that also he was what is he a fourth round pick?

865
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: Third round pick?

866
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been out of character for them to

867
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: draft a guy like that. Here's a third round It

868
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 4: just kind of a side take I've always did. He's

869
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 4: always been the big miss to me from twenty nineteen.

870
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: Here's a third round pick, and he was a unreal

871
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: elite gunner yep. In college. He didn't catch the ball

872
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: of time at Ohio State. It's obviously always a keep saying.

873
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: Obviously today it was a crowded room. Of course it

874
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: always isn't at Ohio State. But he didn't have a

875
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: ton of college production. But I remember the little bit

876
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: of film that he did have in college was really good.

877
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: And then on top of that, you could watch his

878
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: gunner tape and watch how he got off the line

879
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and how he built speed covering punts and

880
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: see how that was going to translate to press coverage

881
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and you could just tell that this

882
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: guy was going to be able to get off press

883
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: and be really good at all that type of stuff.

884
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: So Terry McLaurin, twenty nine years old, needs a new contract,

885
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: wants a new contract. This one's easier to swallow, I

886
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: would say, than dealing keyon White. But there's a trade

887
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: that's similar. If you hear the Patriots you trade a

888
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: second round pick in kaish On Booty for Terry McLaurin.

889
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 4: I would do that.

890
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: Maybe they would ask for Bourne instead, that's up to that.

891
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: I would do that, But I think those ones are

892
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: much easier to stomach than And it's.

893
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: The Brandan and Ayuk trade was a second a future

894
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: fourth in Kendrick Bourne, and you want to make that

895
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: kaish On Booty instead, Like I think that's and I'm

896
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 4: not like willingly parting ways with either of those guys.

897
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: Everybody knows how big of a Kendrick Borne fan I am,

898
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: But for Terry McLaurin, I would do that.

899
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if if they would which way Washington would go.

900
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne more veteran player, They're in a win now

901
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: situation with the commanders, But Kaishon Boody's got a little

902
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: bit more upside. He can run the vertical routes that

903
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels is really good at throwing. So I actually

904
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: would say that that Kashon Booty is probably a better

905
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: fit for the style of offense.

906
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: You know.

907
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: It also helps that it's the LSU offense and they

908
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: played at LSU, right, So there's a lot of things

909
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: that to me would say Kashan Booty is probably a

910
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: better fit for Washington than Kendrick Bourne. I just don't

911
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: know if they would go with unproven versus maybe a

912
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: little bit more proven in which route they would want

913
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: to go there. But the I E Trade a second,

914
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: a future fourth and one of those two receivers born

915
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: Er Booty for McLaurin, I'm in. I do that if

916
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: I was the Patriots. Yeah, so that's your trade candidates.

917
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: I want to really quickly before we opened it up

918
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: to you guys, I did write down some free agents.

919
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: It's not no one that's available for in free agency

920
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: right now is going to change much. We put that

921
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: out there, but I just wanted to off ten names

922
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: and if any of these names catch your eye, these

923
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: were the sort of the looking at positions of need

924
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: for the Patriots and who's available. These are kind of

925
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: the top guys that I came up with. Raeul Douglas,

926
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: Javion Clowney, Eric Kendricks, Brandon Sheriff, Kazer White, Justin Simmons,

927
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: Defan Gilmore, Matt Judon, Carl Lawson, Will Hernandez Guard any

928
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: of those names? Would you be interested in the Patriots

929
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: bringing it?

930
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: Shoot run head again quick Russeul Douglas, j Davian Clowney, Ye,

931
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 4: Eric Kendricks, Brennan Sheriff, Kazier White, Justin Simmons, who I

932
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: like free safety Stefan Gilmore, Judan, Will Hernandez. I mean,

933
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: I've liked Simmons too, but the fact this is a

934
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: second year in a row he's been available this late

935
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: in the process, right, It's weird.

936
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: It's like maybe he just doesn't want to do training camp.

937
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's.

938
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: Kind of older, he's dealt with injury. He wasn't very

939
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: good last year, was he not great? You know who's

940
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 4: the one guard you mentioned in there, Brandon Sheriff. I

941
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't hate. I'm always down to bring back Stephan Gilmour.

942
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 4: I don't really know what he does for them at

943
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: this point. Honestly, you're not gonna play him inside. It's

944
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: kind of like we talked about your Alexander last week.

945
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: You're not gonna play Gilmore inside. You're not gonna play

946
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: Gonzalez inside, You're not gonna play Carlton Davis inside. I

947
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: don't know that Gilmore is coming for a depth role.

948
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 4: I just want him and Christian Gonzalez in the same room,

949
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: just so Gonzalez can learn from him. So I'm not

950
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 4: a post to that. I just don't ultimately know what

951
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 4: that looks like or what the incentive is for Gilmore

952
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: to come here. Yeah, nothing really stands out to me

953
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: on that list.

954
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: So the one guy that does stand out to me

955
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: a little bit is Sheriff. Now, he's a career right guard.

956
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: He's played on the right side of his entire career.

957
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 3: He has definitely started to tail off years older. He's

958
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: an older player, he's thirty three going on thirty four.

959
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: But at the same time and in the interior equivalent

960
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: of Morgan Moses, it feels a little bit like that.

961
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: He's a very very good player for a long period time,

962
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: who is a veteran, consummate pro type of player, really well,

963
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: really highly regarded.

964
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: At his peak, he was one of the best guards

965
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: in football. He's not that anymore.

966
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: If the Patriots get into a position two weeks into

967
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 3: training camp and we're sitting at here and we're still

968
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: talking about left guard being this hole that they don't

969
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: really have a great fit for. If they get Brandon

970
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: Sheriff on board to switch from right to left and

971
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: play left guard for a year and do the whole

972
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 3: stopgap bridge thing with Brandon Sheriff for a year, I'd

973
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: be in on that. I don't think it's something that

974
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: they would do immediately in training camping. This is a

975
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: Zeke Elliott situation where they get to that joint practices

976
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, realize that left guard is really a problem,

977
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: and they go and yeah, the move that type of

978
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: thing you'd have to I would be a little bit

979
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: weary of the position switch. He'd have to be on

980
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: board with it, but if he wants to play, it's

981
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: a starting position that's available to him to play at

982
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: and the Patriots can compensate him. So that's the one

983
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: player that stood out to me on that list. But

984
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: that's it. That's pretty much what's available right now, other

985
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: than the trades, which I think are a little bit

986
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: pie in the sky for just in general. I don't

987
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: know if any of those guys are getting moved. It's

988
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: not exactly like you're going to make a huge impact

989
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 3: change to your roster on July second, which isn't totally surprising.

990
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: But at the same time, or Ramsey and Fitzpatrick and

991
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: Johnny like that was a trade that was a legitimate

992
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: trade that changed some things for those two teams. So

993
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: if you want to weigh in on that, you can

994
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: go right ahead and tell us what you like what

995
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: you don't like from our spiel about what's available out

996
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: there on the market. Eight five to five, Pass five

997
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: hundred is the phone number. I see the emails coming in.

998
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: We got those as well at podcasts at Patriots dot com.

999
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: But we got some reads to do before we get

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Speaker 3: Let's get to the phones. Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate?

1024
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Speaker 5: Hey, can you guys hear me?

1025
00:48:59,360 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 6: Well?

1026
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: We got not much.

1027
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: So first off, I just want to say Evan, congrats

1028
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 6: on getting married. Thank you, you know big time. And

1029
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 6: you said you're having your honeymoon at Martha's Vineyard.

1030
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 7: It's a great place.

1031
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 6: Never been, but I've seen a lot of cool pictures.

1032
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 6: But what I want to get to is, uh, my

1033
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 6: question for you guys is have you noticed anything about

1034
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 6: Remondre Stevenson's reports are that he has lost a tremendous

1035
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 6: amount of weight and it's looking a lot more swimmer.

1036
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's trying to fit like a

1037
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 6: scheme like the Spaniels on or if it's just his

1038
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 6: personal opinions.

1039
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, Thanks, thanks for the call, and I

1040
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: appreciate the positives about the wedding. Yes, the remonder I

1041
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: I always have a tough time with guys. You know,

1042
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: do they look like they're skinnier because they're not in

1043
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: pads in this timing year, right, so it can make

1044
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: a difference about I.

1045
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 4: Don't know about like tremendous amount of weight is not.

1046
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: I would say tremendous.

1047
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: He looked good in the spring, though he moe looked

1048
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: like he was in I would say he looked like

1049
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 3: he was in shape. I don't know if that means

1050
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: that he would lost all this weight, but he looked

1051
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: like he was in shape.

1052
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 4: Well, he's also he's been pretty much constantly hurt the

1053
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: last two years. He might it just might be that

1054
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: he's fully healthy. It could be as simple as that,

1055
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: like he and he's been dealing with ankles and knees

1056
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 4: and things like that. You know my spiel on this,

1057
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: they they ran him into the ground in the last

1058
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 4: two years. They ran him into the ground and it

1059
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: took its toll. Sounded like he kind of really refreshed

1060
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: this offseason. We know he's gonna come in. We think

1061
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 4: he's gonna come in, I should say, with the lighter

1062
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: workload this year with Josh McDaniels. I wonder if he's

1063
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 4: just moving better and like he definitely lost a little

1064
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: bit of weight. I shouldn't say it's not that, but

1065
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 4: I wonder if he's moving better. I wonder if he's

1066
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: just healthy and we haven't seen him look like this

1067
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 4: in a couple of years because he hasn't been help

1068
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 4: He really hasn't been healthy since Training Camp twenty twenty three.

1069
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 4: It's probably the last time he was healthy.

1070
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: He looked like he was in shape. I don't We'll

1071
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: see what it looks like with the pads. I'm also

1072
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: not the greatest eyetest guy when it comes to is

1073
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: this guy overweight underweight?

1074
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1075
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't I don't try to read scales, you know

1076
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: I have. I have no clue. But it looked to

1077
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: me like he was in shape. He looks spry, he

1078
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: looked fresh, like you said, which he should this time

1079
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: of year. But just an aside, it related to this,

1080
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: and I know I shouldn't do this and I shouldn't care,

1081
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: but there's nothing else to do. So I was scrolling

1082
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: as you do on social media, and PFF put out

1083
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: their top running back rooms one through thirty two.

1084
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: Any guess where the patriots were?

1085
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: They had them like annoyingly loa didn't they?

1086
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.

1087
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: You need to stop encouraging these people.

1088
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: So I think I can pull it up real quick.

1089
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 4: So they have like twenty five, twenty six.

1090
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: Oh, this is just running backs.

1091
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: I'll pull it up in a second, but I believe

1092
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: that they were thirty yeah, twenty something like twenty three,

1093
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: twenty four, something like that. So here it is Baltimore's

1094
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: number one. I mean, yes, Philly is number two. Yeah,

1095
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

1096
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: Like I don't know the Patriots need to be top ten,

1097
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 4: but they shouldn't be bottom ten, so they were. They

1098
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 4: just don't know about land Larson yet. That's the thing.

1099
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: So I want to say I can't find the exact list,

1100
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: of course, now I want to say, oh, unit ranks.

1101
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 2: Here it is.

1102
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, this is a terrible radio But Baltimore

1103
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: number one, yeah, Derrick Henry, Detroit number two with Gibbson Montgomery.

1104
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: They have the Falcons at number three with Bijehon and

1105
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: Tyler Algier.

1106
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: Tyler Algiers slept on. I don't know that i'd put

1107
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: them ahead of Philly. I think Barkley alone clears, but

1108
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 4: Tyler Algeers they slept on player. I don't hate that.

1109
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: Take Philly at four, yeah, Barkley, Seattle at five. That

1110
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 3: was your top five?

1111
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 4: Okay.

1112
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: The Patriots on this list were twenty second.

1113
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: Who are they?

1114
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: This is like, who's below them.

1115
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: You mean, know who's ahead, Who's like just ahead of them?

1116
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Tennessee with with who?

1117
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: With who?

1118
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: New Orleans Alvin Kamara, Kendre Miller, Clyde Edwards, z Laer,

1119
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: Devin Neil. They drafted Devin Neil, Tennessee Hollard and Taja

1120
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 3: Spears Houston. Would they signed Nick Chubb this offseason? Damian

1121
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: Pierce what he Mark's draft pick? Dolphins who we talked

1122
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: about earlier at Hn and Jalen Wright, the Jets, Breeze Hollow,

1123
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: Braylen Allen, It's good combo Colets, Jonathan Taylor, Khalil Herbert,

1124
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: get Ins in the fifth round. Chargers who drafted Hampton

1125
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 3: signed Najie Harris.

1126
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, there's a lot of good running

1127
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 4: back rooms in the league. Maybe maybe that was too

1128
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 4: harsh there.

1129
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: Twenty seconds seems low.

1130
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: It seems low, But like, I don't know that I'd

1131
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: put them behind any of those groups. So in some

1132
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: head of any of those groups.

1133
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: In some respects, I get it. Remandra is coming off

1134
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: a down year. The fumbling was a problem.

1135
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: We know that.

1136
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: I am cautiously optimistic that they're going to fix the

1137
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: fumbling problem. A combination of better blocking and Frabel. Rabel

1138
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: and McDaniels, I think are gonna have a really heavy

1139
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: influence on helping him with that. Sub consciously optimist about

1140
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: the fumbling, and I understand that Travon Henderson's an unknown,

1141
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: he's a rookie, he's not proven.

1142
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: We don't know yet what he's going to be in

1143
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 2: the league.

1144
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: That's fair, but in theory, because I believe Vermandre is

1145
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: gonna bounce back. I think he's gonna clean the fumbles up.

1146
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna have a better year. I don't

1147
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: know if it will be twenty twenty two where you

1148
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: have fourteen hundred yards, but I think he's gonna have

1149
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: or is that twenty three, whichever year that was. I

1150
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: think he's gonna have a better year. And I'm really

1151
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: bullish on Trayvon Henderson.

1152
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: And I think most people are. I think he's gonna

1153
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: be a really good pro in a role. I don't

1154
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: know if he's gonna be a workhorse.

1155
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna be a lead back,

1156
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: but used correctly, which I have fate that McDaniels will

1157
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: use him correctly. Trayvon Henderson's gonna be an impact player

1158
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 3: in the league. So that's a pretty darn good tandem

1159
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: if you were expecting a better version of Ramandre Stevenson

1160
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: and then everybody everybody did, all the national media, all

1161
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: everybody loves Trevon Henderson.

1162
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, they're twenty second in the league.

1163
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: It's it's low. It feels low.

1164
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: It does feel low.

1165
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: So I would have had them a little bit higher.

1166
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they should have been top five

1167
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 3: or anything like that, but you know, Washington, for example,

1168
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: is fourteen with Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler. Is is

1169
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: Washington's running back room really that much better than the

1170
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: Patriots or does Washington just have Jayden Daniels who just

1171
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: makes their running game that much better. It's one of

1172
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: those things to me. You know, Vegas is thirteen, it's

1173
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: just off of Ashon genty.

1174
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 4: If Vegas gonna be thirteen, just off of Ashon genty

1175
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: and the Patriots should be higher.

1176
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: They have genty and the Avraheem moster that that's their

1177
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: their one two d.

1178
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: That I'd almost put the Patriots ahead of that because

1179
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots unknown as the second guy, the Raiders unknown

1180
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 4: as much as I like Genty, he's an unknown, he's

1181
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: a rookie, is the first guy? Yeah that that's too high.

1182
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 4: I'm a genty guy.

1183
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: Lill low pff, we'll low all right. DC is in

1184
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. What's up, DC, Hey guy?

1185
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 5: Two quick points to throw at you.

1186
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 8: This first one total July off season point, and that

1187
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 8: is Punta Rena's.

1188
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 5: Chile, which is at the bottom tip of Chile.

1189
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 8: Rid above Antarctica. They're winters during our summer right now,

1190
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 8: it's like thirty degrees snowing, raining, windy. The multi billion

1191
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 8: dollar Patriots organization should be renting a soccer field, throwing

1192
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 8: up some upright and flying our kickers down for a

1193
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 8: week during mini camp.

1194
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 9: No need to.

1195
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 8: Freeze the indoor facility or kick in freezers. Is a

1196
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 8: beautiful city, That's what I think. Still, my actual actual

1197
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 8: point is I wanted to make a quick Drake May

1198
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 8: Josh Allen comp which is very original, I know, but

1199
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 8: more so in their career trajectory. I think their rookie

1200
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 8: years were actually kind of similar the big trait, but

1201
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 8: some things to clean up, and Alan did that in

1202
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 8: his second year, but it wasn't really until year three

1203
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 8: that he really made his stamp on the league. So

1204
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of local media high for

1205
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 8: a year to leave whatever that means from Drake May.

1206
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 8: And I think some silly people who I won't name

1207
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 8: names will freak out, like if he does anything less

1208
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 8: than like four thousand yards thirty five touchdowns. But I

1209
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 8: think Drake May actually does hit his feeling, like I

1210
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 8: think all of us think he is capable of doing

1211
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 8: his trajectory. I think it's much more likely to be

1212
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 8: Josh Allen than like a Burrow Lamar thing. And so

1213
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 8: Josh Allen year two is like three thousand yards twenty tds.

1214
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 5: May looked really.

1215
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 8: Good in the second half of that year, and I

1216
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 8: think if you see that from Drake May next year,

1217
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 8: you're thrilled, And I would love to. I think that's

1218
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 8: more realistic and I'd be pumped for that. But congrat

1219
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 8: seven getting married, best of Buck.

1220
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: Thanks you a goud Thanks DC, you appreciate it. So

1221
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 3: Josh Allen your two which I know you love.

1222
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: This compound by the way, real quick, forty degrees in

1223
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 4: raining And it's a great suggestion, Punta Arenas.

1224
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: It's a great suggestion.

1225
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: Maybe they should fly him out there like the beginning

1226
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 3: of training camp, because you know you can do without

1227
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 3: the kickers for a couple of days in training camp

1228
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: and let them go down there.

1229
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 4: But then how are we going to get with it

1230
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 4: out or do I get to go.

1231
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: Down Yeah we can, we can send you down there

1232
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: on the on the charter. So Josh Allen in your

1233
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: two just to play out the exercise. Three thousand eighty

1234
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: nine yards right over three thousand yards passing, twenty touchdowns,

1235
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: nine picks. He had over a little bit over five

1236
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: hundred yards rushing. I think that's important to put in

1237
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 3: there as well. So basically like thirty five hundred yards

1238
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: of offense. And so he did have nine rushing touchdowns,

1239
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: So he had twenty nine total touchdowns if you add

1240
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: the rushing touchdowns to the passing touchdowns.

1241
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: So pretty good numbers.

1242
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: Now, he was under sixty percent completion still, he was

1243
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: at fifty eight point eight.

1244
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: In my mind, I.

1245
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: Believe Drake Mays ahead of this already. These numbers are

1246
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 3: more In my opinion, I think Drake May's ahead of

1247
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: this pace. Now I'm not saying he's gonna be an MVP.

1248
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that he's if you're comparing it to

1249
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: year one, year two, Josh Allen, I would say that

1250
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 3: Drake May is already ahead of three thousand yards and

1251
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: twenty touchdown passes. Now how far I don't know. The

1252
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: big thing with Allen in year two is that the

1253
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 3: Bills went ten and six and made the playoffs. They

1254
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 3: were a much better team with him in the second

1255
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: season compared to the first season. He was five and

1256
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: six as a starter in his first season with the Bills,

1257
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 3: started eleven games, and then he was ten and six

1258
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: and started the full season and they made the playoffs.

1259
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: So would you be good with that?

1260
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: It's that line three hundred three thousand yards, twenty touchdowns,

1261
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: nine picks, five hundred yards on the ground.

1262
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: As long as there's not too many fumbles to go

1263
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: with those picks, yeah, it'd be great.

1264
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: The fumbles is an interesting one.

1265
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 4: I've said that, just like keep it under a turnover again.

1266
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: Josh ever really having issues with fumbles. I'll get to

1267
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: it here in a second.

1268
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: I can find it.

1269
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: So he did.

1270
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: He did, Actually he fumbled the ball. Wow, if this

1271
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: is right, he fumbled the ball fourteen times his second season.

1272
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: Well, I'm guessing that's fumbles and not fumbles lost. Correct,

1273
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: it's just total fumbles fourteen plus nine. That's a little high.

1274
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: Now, No, not all of them were lost, but yeah.

1275
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 4: I know. But solus nine that's twenty three times he

1276
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 4: put the balls in arms WAI versus twenty touchdowns. I

1277
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 4: guess we got to give him rushing to twenty nice

1278
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 4: is twenty nine total touchdowns, twenty three times putting the

1279
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: ball in arms. Way, I wouldn't love it. It'd be better. Yeah, fumble,

1280
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 4: that's that fumble.

1281
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a ton of fumbles. I didn't realize

1282
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: he had.

1283
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 4: He's always had a fumble problem. You just have your

1284
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: blinders on.

1285
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: No, I knew he had to pick problem.

1286
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 4: He always had a fumble problem too. Apparently, will some

1287
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 4: of us watch him objectively and dow that.

1288
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: I just you know, now, the other big thing about

1289
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: Josh Allen in year two I should mention that I

1290
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: think it is important in this Drake May conversation. He

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: had four or fourth quarter comebacks in five game winning drives. Yeah,

1292
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 3: so that's so he was a little bit more.

1293
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: He was clutch.

1294
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 4: They gotta win more games.

1295
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he won more games. Warm light.

1296
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to the phones. Randy is

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 3: in Providence. What's up, Randy? Randy?

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01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 4: Randy?

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Speaker 10: Hey, Hello, I got sorry beep it in my earlier

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01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 10: So congratulations on getting married. Evan joined the parade of congratulations.

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Speaker 10: I called. I wanted to talk about the Miami Pittsburgh

1302
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 10: trade for a minute there, because I think it's a

1303
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 10: strange I think it's like a strange trade where both

1304
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 10: teams kind of lose a little bit. I think Miami

1305
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 10: like is on I've been saying for a couple of

1306
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 10: months now. I think they're on the verge of like

1307
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 10: a complete meltdown. I think next season they're gonna have

1308
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 10: a new coach, new GM. We're going to be hearing

1309
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 10: a lot of stories about the locker room issues and

1310
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 10: stuff like that, because like the story I heard coming

1311
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 10: out of Miami was that Ramsey and Hill were at odds.

1312
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 10: Ramsey felt like Hill was treated a little too softly.

1313
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Speaker 9: And that's that's kind of what costs the fallout there.

1314
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 9: But I mean, if you look across the roster, they've

1315
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 9: lost two of their other pack full team captains and

1316
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 9: Armstead retiring and plays Campbell.

1317
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 10: Returning to Arizona. But that and Johnny Smith being part

1318
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 10: of that trade. He was a nineteen point five percent

1319
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 10: target share in Miami last year. They don't really have

1320
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 10: anybody to replace that. I mean, Darren Waller coming in

1321
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 10: is great, but his peak was like five years ago.

1322
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 10: But I think more importantly on the other side, I

1323
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 10: guess with Pittsburgh is that it's just the Pittsburgh team

1324
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 10: is becoming like a weird fit team, right, like a

1325
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 10: bunch of big names and stuff. But how do they

1326
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 10: fit together? Because like DK Metcalf has always been kind

1327
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 10: of a go ball guy, right, a deeper out guy

1328
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 10: last year twenty first in the league with thirteen point

1329
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 10: one a dot. Meanwhile, Rogers on the other side of

1330
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 10: that hasn't had average air yards per throw over eight

1331
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 10: since twenty nineteen. So I mean that's a contrast there,

1332
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 10: just alone. But then he's also not really well known

1333
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 10: for throwing to the tight end a lot. And so

1334
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 10: with Fryarmuth there, who seventeen percent of the targets there

1335
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 10: in Pittsburgh last here, and Johnny Smith coming in, it's

1336
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 10: like the top three weapons there that Rogers game just

1337
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 10: doesn't melt well with. But I have one question Patriots

1338
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 10: related for you guys, as we're coming off this, I've

1339
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 10: heard a lot of people with a lot of like

1340
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 10: I would think, overly positive projections around Treyvon Henderson and

1341
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 10: kind of his workload, almost to the point of like

1342
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 10: can he be a feature back type of guy? And

1343
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 10: I'm just wondering what in his history people are looking

1344
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 10: at because I'm looking at his college production and once

1345
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 10: they brought in Quinn Shawn Judkins, and he didn't have

1346
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 10: to be that feature back, Like he's a perfect running

1347
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 10: back by committee guy. He's great for that. But you

1348
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 10: look at twenty twenty three, he was getting fifteen and

1349
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 10: a half attempts per game. His yards per attempt was

1350
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 10: five point nine. Twenty twenty four, when his attempts went

1351
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 10: down to just nine a game, his yards per attempt

1352
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 10: went up to seven point one. We saw him get

1353
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 10: a little bit more involved in the receiving game and

1354
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 10: more importantly stop missing games. He was injured a lot

1355
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 10: when he was carrying a lot of that load. So

1356
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 10: I'm just wondering, what is it just like kind of

1357
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 10: rose colored glasses for people looking at a second round

1358
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 10: draft pick hoping for you know, kind of like a

1359
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 10: steal and a feature back out of it, or is

1360
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 10: there anything specifically in Trayvon Henderson's history that you guys

1361
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 10: look back and say, Yeah, I think he could, you know,

1362
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 10: carry that load, because to me, I see him as

1363
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 10: more of like a comp to like a Devon h

1364
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 10: Chain out of Miami who ten twelve times the games

1365
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 10: he touches the ball. But there are games he goes

1366
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 10: for like one hundred and fifty yards and it's like, wow,

1367
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 10: you know that's so I'd like to hear you guys'

1368
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 10: thoughts on that.

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01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a great call. It's a great call, Randy,

1370
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: and it's a good cop. Chan's not a bad top. Yeah,

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01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: I rue with him. I don't necessarily get caught up

1372
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: with Travon Henderson in terms of volume or counting stats.

1373
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know how any touches he's going to have.

1374
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: I don't know how many accumulated yards, even if you

1375
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: want to call it scrimmage yards combined rushing in and receiving,

1376
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: he's truly gonna have. What I'm more interested with Travon

1377
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: Henderson or two stats yards per touch, Like how many

1378
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: yards is he making every time.

1379
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: He touched the ball in explosive place?

1380
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 4: Like?

1381
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: Those are the two things I'm looking at for Travon Henderson.

1382
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 3: He might not touch the ball two hundred times, maybe

1383
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: it's only one hundred and fifty one seventy five, but

1384
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: if he's averaging eight nine ten yards per touch, then

1385
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be really happy about the season that he's having.

1386
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 3: And I think that that's sort of the thing that

1387
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 3: people are hoping for, is that he's going to be

1388
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: a high impact, low volume or medium volume player in

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01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 3: terms of touches, but a high impact player every time

1390
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: he touches the ball.

1391
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, He's not a workhorse. He's not, and McDaniels

1392
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 4: doesn't use a workhorse. He's going to be the change

1393
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 4: of pace back and that's it's a it's a good

1394
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 4: role for him. It goes back to our point about

1395
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 4: Stevenson ding to kind of be the guy that they

1396
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 4: lean on a little bit more, not as much as

1397
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: they have in the past, but a little bit more.

1398
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 4: I you know, there's there's some fantasy lingo there in

1399
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 4: that question. I've been asked this before, like, all right,

1400
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 4: Travon Henderson, where should he be going in fantasy? Where

1401
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: said Stevens and going Josh McDaniels is back Patriots players

1402
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 4: are now untouchable in fantasy football the way they were

1403
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 4: for years and years and years, because every game is

1404
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 4: gonna look a little different. There's not necessarily gonna be

1405
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 4: unless you're in PPR with that slot receiver. And we

1406
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 4: don't even know necessarily who that slot receiver is gonna be.

1407
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna be Pop Douglas, but it could be

1408
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs. Like, It's just there's gonna be a lot

1409
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 4: of variance there.

1410
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know if we have a

1411
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 3: ton of calls or emails. I think Travon Henderson is

1412
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: going to touch the ball three hundred times, Like I

1413
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 3: don't think that's what the expectation is. I do like

1414
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: the Achan cop I hadn't really thought of that one, because.

1415
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: I think Travon quite that fast. No, And I think Travon.

1416
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: Henderson has a little bit more to offer as a

1417
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: true ballcarrier like h N's a true space player. He's

1418
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: true a guy that's getting out out on the edges

1419
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: or getting the ball in space. As a receiver, I

1420
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: think Travon Henderson has a little bit more of a

1421
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: chance to run the ball between the tackles.

1422
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: But it's not. It's not a bad comparison. I hadn't

1423
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: really thought.

1424
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 4: Of that one.

1425
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: Ryan is in Virginia. What's up, Brian?

1426
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 9: Hey?

1427
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 5: Can you guys hear me?

1428
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: Yes? Go for it.

1429
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 5: I had a fun off season topic for you guys.

1430
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 5: One of my favorite aspects of sports is when coaches

1431
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 5: think outside the box, and Belichick was really great at that.

1432
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 5: For example, you know, having schooler having a running start

1433
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 5: for blocked field goals, or doing the whole eligible and

1434
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 5: eligible receivers against the Ravens. And so I've had an

1435
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 5: idea for an outside the box method for field goal

1436
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 5: blocking that it's going to sound like a joke, but

1437
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 5: I would actually ask that you guys honestly take it

1438
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 5: seriously and tell me why wouldn't work. So I got

1439
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 5: this from an article a little while ago back when

1440
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 5: Taco Fall was on the Celtics, but I know where

1441
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 5: this is. The idea was, why not take someone of

1442
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 5: Taco falls stature, So this huge, like seven foot tall dude,

1443
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 5: put him, line him up over the center on field

1444
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 5: goal blocking unit and just have him put his hands

1445
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 5: up to block every field goal.

1446
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: We've had somebody that's been listening to Alex and I

1447
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 3: for years going back to sal Are you the same

1448
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 3: person that has been listening to us for years that

1449
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 3: have has come up with this concept.

1450
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 4: Well, no, I actually know, to be fair, that person

1451
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: that I know, that guy wanted to do it on defense.

1452
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: Ye like to pass the defensive Ryan. I'm sorry, I'm

1453
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: not teasing that.

1454
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 4: We're not the reason it wouldn't work. Maybe on like

1455
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 4: really long kicks, if you want a roster guy just

1456
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 4: to block fifty yard kicks, the trajectory on that ball,

1457
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: it gets up really really quickly, and you might again

1458
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 4: it might be a factor in the fifty plus range.

1459
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 4: Most kicks inside of forty are still going to be,

1460
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 4: you know, out of range of that guy. Usually when

1461
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 4: field goals get blocked from that range, it's about a

1462
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 4: protection breakdown and the guy who blocks it gets into

1463
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: the backfield. You don't see many short kicks block at

1464
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage like that. So even a guy

1465
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 4: it's a foot taller or half a foot taller than

1466
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys that are blocking these kicks

1467
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 4: isn't gonna make a difference. The other thing is Taco

1468
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 4: falls tall, but he's very skinny. It still takes a

1469
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 4: couple like the operation time, it's gonna be about two

1470
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 4: seconds by the time the ball gets the line of scrimmage.

1471
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: If that guy doesn't have a sturdy base, the long

1472
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 4: snappers is gonna come up and push him over, like

1473
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 4: just knock him on his ass.

1474
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 11: Gotcha?

1475
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 5: Okay, I still believe that it would work, but I'll

1476
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 5: trust you guys on this.

1477
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 4: It would. It would work the longer field goals, like

1478
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: if you're if you're getting into that fifty plus range

1479
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 4: where the trajectory has to be lower, and then you

1480
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 4: also you are getting in the conversation, but are you

1481
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,919
Speaker 4: going to keep a guy? Are you going to dedicate

1482
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 4: one or fifty three spot to be basically your designated

1483
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 4: field goal blocker on kicks of fifty plus yards. College

1484
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 4: football would absolutely do something like this, And maybe this

1485
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 4: is more of a college thing where the rosters are

1486
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 4: bigger and the kickers aren't as good. In the NFL,

1487
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 4: it would work in certain scenarios. It's just you're talking

1488
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 4: about maybe seven or eight plays a year, and are

1489
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 4: you going to keep a guy on the roster for

1490
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 4: seven or eight plays over the course of seventeen games?

1491
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: Make an actium on game day?

1492
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 5: Right all right before I go, and I'll take this

1493
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 5: off air, but just curious if either of you have

1494
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 5: your own outside the box ideas for how NFL teams

1495
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 5: could change what they're doing.

1496
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: But thanks guys, Thanks Ran, thanks for the colling. I

1497
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: didn't mean to tease you.

1498
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 4: But Alison, I know there was this guy.

1499
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: He was insistent that he had solved football. He would

1500
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: get mad and us dead set on it that we

1501
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: weren't bringing it to Bill. But that wasn't about field goal.

1502
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: It does make more sense on field goals.

1503
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 4: His thing defensive remembers the defensive center seven footer to

1504
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 4: stand at the line of scrimmage, and his idea was

1505
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,839
Speaker 4: like the range of motion would limit where the quarterback

1506
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 4: could throw. But again it goes back to the point,

1507
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 4: you got to get a guy that he can't just

1508
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 4: be seven too. He has to be seven to at

1509
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 4: least three bills, because if you put a guy like

1510
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 4: Taco fall out, there is more frail. Again, the center's

1511
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 4: just gonna come up and just flick him back and

1512
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 4: knock them backwards.

1513
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: So that guy was he he was and he would

1514
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 3: be coming at us in the comments on the YouTube

1515
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,520
Speaker 3: chats and on Twitter too, and on Twitter and insisting

1516
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 3: that and this is not even that it makes a difference,

1517
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: but this is before I even work for the team,

1518
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 3: and he wanted me us to take this to Bill

1519
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: Belichick and like it's insane.

1520
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 4: I'm not employed by an NFL team, blah blah. So

1521
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 4: but that was the whole other thing. My so, my

1522
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 4: idea has been done. I for years and years and

1523
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 4: years and years wondered why teams didn't use a fakeney

1524
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 4: and then the Patriots did it and Super Bowl fifty one.

1525
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 4: It obviously didn't work well. I mean, they gained a

1526
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 4: lot of guards, but fake knee so at the end

1527
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 4: of half you're about to run it out, or maybe

1528
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 4: the way the Patriots use is at the end of regulation,

1529
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: but the game is going overtime, Like you see the

1530
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 4: defense let up all the time. Either have the quarterbacks

1531
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 4: start to go down and then bootleg or toss it

1532
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 4: back to a running back or whatever. Usually when you

1533
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 4: do the knee, who's the guy behind the quarterback? You

1534
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 4: know how that role is picked?

1535
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: Matthew Slater was it for years?

1536
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, So do you know how that's usually picked?

1537
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 4: Maybe some teams do it a little differently, best tackler. No, No,

1538
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 4: Traditionally it's your fastest player fastest because all those Slater

1539
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 4: makes sense in this context because you go back to

1540
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 4: the original miracle at the Metal Lands herm Edwards right

1541
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 4: scooping the ball. You want somebody that if there's a

1542
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: bad snap and the defense picks it up, who's going

1543
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 4: to do the best job of chasing down the guy

1544
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 4: who picks up the ball. So, yes, fastest player with

1545
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 4: an ability to tackle it, I guess would be the

1546
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 4: caveat on. That's Matthew Slater obviously makes all the sense

1547
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 4: in the world for that role. But I have somebody

1548
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 4: back there as fast right, start to go down to

1549
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 4: that knee and then just flip the ball backwards and

1550
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 4: you know, everybody's all packed in the middle. Let that

1551
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 4: guy get around the edge. I always wanted to see

1552
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 4: a fake knee, and I saw one, and I think

1553
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 4: it's been done like two or three other times since.

1554
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 4: End of the half, especially if it's like the other

1555
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 4: team scores, you get the ball back off a kickoff,

1556
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 4: everybody's just kind of mentally like, all right, there's one

1557
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 4: second left, were going into the half. You can catch

1558
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 4: them sleeping. The fake knee. That's what I want to see.

1559
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: So this is starting to come on a little bit.

1560
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 3: The teams are starting to do this a little bit more.

1561
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1562
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: Basically, my guy Ben Johnson is at the forefront of

1563
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 3: this in the Detroit Lions. The lateral as a design

1564
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 3: within a play on offens not just like ye yes,

1565
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 3: but like the hooking ladder you think of like the

1566
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: Miami Miracle, and then you're doing it in a situation

1567
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: where you I'm talking about this just in the run

1568
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 3: of play being more of a thing.

1569
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 4: The hook and ladder used to be like a normal play.

1570
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 3: I really feel like there's tons of yards being left

1571
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: on the field simply out of fear of catastrophic turnovers happening.

1572
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: But if you're a team like the Lions, and I

1573
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 3: would say the Chiefs have done it with Travis Kelce

1574
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,879
Speaker 3: quite a bit too, because he used to play quarterback

1575
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 3: and he's got a decent arm. If you have the

1576
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: khones to do it, and you have the cohesion to

1577
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 3: do it, and you practice well enough and all that

1578
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, a team that really can do it

1579
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 3: like they do it overseas in rugby and do it

1580
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 3: at a high level could really change the game like

1581
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 3: that could really make a huge impact on the game.

1582
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 4: It would also being a nightmare for fantasy football, which

1583
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 4: I would love yep.

1584
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 3: But it's just a nightmare for defenses. Like you think

1585
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 3: you got the guy, but now, like defenses, think about

1586
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 3: the defense reaction to it. Now, the defense is gonna

1587
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: have to like in rugby, you're gonna have to like

1588
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 3: have discipline, yeah, to stay with your guy out wide

1589
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 3: and be able to stay with some.

1590
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 4: And then you can't gang tackle, and you can't.

1591
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: Gang tackle as easily.

1592
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 3: And it's essentially after the catch, after the ball is

1593
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: down the field, whether it's a runner, it's a pass play,

1594
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 3: I guess, but after the ball's passed the line of scrimmage, ye,

1595
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 3: there just seems to be a lot of untapped potentials there.

1596
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 4: You want to draw plays up after the catch, yes,

1597
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 4: because right now it's okay, like you draw up the

1598
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: routes the balls caught, and then it's just right you

1599
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 4: want to drop Okay, the ball is gonna be caught,

1600
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 4: and then you guys need to be here and go

1601
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: here and things like that.

1602
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Lions have done this, like the Lions

1603
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: are already doing it or you know, more.

1604
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 4: It's kind of similar when the Patriots would run that

1605
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 4: double screen back in the day, like the double pass. No,

1606
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 4: not the double pass.

1607
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 2: But they would pass it out to some one.

1608
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 4: Side and all the linemen would pull against the initial

1609
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 4: screen and then you'd have James White all the way

1610
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 4: on the other sideline catching the ball with all five

1611
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 4: linemen in front of them, and you'd basically create what

1612
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 4: was essentially a gap run play starting outside the numbers. Yes,

1613
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 4: with the defense looking the other way like that. How

1614
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 4: about and this this comes this is done in college.

1615
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 4: I want to see it in the NFL.

1616
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: Like I say, when we're thinking about the lateral thing first, Yeah.

1617
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,839
Speaker 3: I'm really interested to see if it translates in Chicago

1618
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 3: because the always the conversation about this when it gets

1619
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 3: brought up, are the two teams that do it with

1620
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 3: any kind of frequency, or the Chiefs and the Lions,

1621
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 3: who are two of the best teams in the league,

1622
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: two are the best coach teams in the league.

1623
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: Just really buttoned.

1624
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 3: Up on the details with both those teams. So the

1625
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: question is is can a bad team do it? Because

1626
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 3: if it's only teams that can master it because they

1627
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 3: have great practice habits, and they have great culture and

1628
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 3: they're great teams like the Lions and the Chiefs are.

1629
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 3: Then you can't have a team like the Jaguars or

1630
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 3: the team like the Titans or the Patriots of the

1631
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 3: last couple of years. I mean, granted, we literally saw

1632
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 3: this and it wasn't supposed to happen, but in Vegas,

1633
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 3: Jacobe Meyers was the bad, catastrophic version of what we're

1634
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 3: going at here. Yeah, and so if if you can't

1635
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 3: pull it off with lesser talent like Ben Johnson's gonna

1636
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 3: have in Chicago, then it can't be something that takes

1637
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,919
Speaker 3: over the entire league. It's just not gonna be relevant.

1638
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 3: But if he can take some of those hooking ladder

1639
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 3: style plays and he can get the Bears roster to

1640
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: execute those, yeah, now you can tell you can tell

1641
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 3: you can't all thirty two teams can do it. If

1642
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 3: that team can do it, and that's not I'm not

1643
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 3: trying to take a shot at the Bears, but like,

1644
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: that's a team has much less roster talent than the

1645
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions. So if they can still pull off some

1646
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: of these trick plays that Ben Johnson has the Lions

1647
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 3: running over the last couple of years. It's great, well,

1648
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 3: it's great look for Ben Johnson, but it also just

1649
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 3: means that there is untapped potentially, there's more meat on

1650
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 3: the bone for all thirty two teams to be doing

1651
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 3: stuff like this, whether it's throwing to eligible offensive linemen,

1652
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: or it's hooking ladders, or it's reverses or whatever the

1653
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: case may be. So I want to see that, and

1654
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 3: this would be next level. But I love this idea

1655
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 3: of it too. If this starts to catch on a

1656
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: little bit, then a smart team or smart teams will

1657
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 3: hire a coach and put a coach from Rugby on

1658
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 3: their coaching staff. Sure, and then you can start teaching

1659
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 3: how to later all the ball correctly and teach the

1660
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: scheme and the x's and o's of it as well.

1661
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 4: So if we want to take this to another level,

1662
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: the other thing you can do that would adjust team building.

1663
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 4: Go out and get some athletic offensive linemen, because if

1664
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 4: you're doing this, you don't need to hit on as

1665
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 4: many deep throws. You maybe don't need your pass protection

1666
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 4: to be able to hold up as long. And now

1667
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 4: you can work linemen into the mix with this, and

1668
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 4: you can have all eleven players that threat to touch

1669
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 4: the ball. So this was going to go to my

1670
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 4: other thing. And this is coming from college, like this

1671
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 4: is done in college and not in the NFL. More

1672
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 4: plays where linemen are eligible to catch the football. You

1673
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 4: had Tyler Warren this year line up at center, snap

1674
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 4: the ball and catch the touchdown. Like offensive linemen right

1675
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 4: now are more athletic than they've ever been. And this

1676
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 4: goes back to Ben Johnson, right pinay Seul. They would

1677
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 4: get him involved in the offense, touching the football and

1678
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 4: carrying the football. Maybe it's through laterals, Maybe it's through

1679
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,560
Speaker 4: some of the old Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniel's unbalanced lines.

1680
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: Things like that tackle. The thing that they did against

1681
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,879
Speaker 2: Baltimore was written out of the rule book, right.

1682
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

1683
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was no.

1684
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 4: I think they just changed the way players declare eligibility.

1685
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the Ravens raised to stink about it, and.

1686
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 4: They get Ray to stink about it. I think the

1687
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 4: play itself is still legal. There's just more done to

1688
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 4: let you know that the alignment is different from the refs.

1689
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 4: If I might be wrong, but no, but things like

1690
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 4: that were like get and if you're gonna do laterals

1691
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 4: Like let's say you throw a quick slant right and

1692
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 4: now you have your left tackle come off his block

1693
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 4: and pull the outside, and maybe you have a really

1694
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 4: athletic left tackle. So the wide receiver's coming on the slant,

1695
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 4: the tackle comes back the other way, you flip it

1696
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 4: back to him, and now maybe this big guy can rumble.

1697
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 4: And if you have him coming to the outside, who's

1698
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 4: gonna be out there waiting for him? Corners or nobody

1699
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 4: or nobody. But let's say you get six six, three

1700
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 4: ten pound Will Campbell, who ran a sub five forty,

1701
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 4: matched up with the slot corner in the open field. Like,

1702
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 4: you can't do this all the time, but you pull

1703
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 4: that out two or three times a year.

1704
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I don't think it's totally crazy to

1705
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: think that this is the future of offensive fove It's

1706
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 3: it's interesting.

1707
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 4: It's interesting, all right. Give me a defensive and it's

1708
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 4: harder to do with defense. Give me a defensive.

1709
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 3: It's harder to do with defense. I don't know, So

1710
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: I personally would hate this. Defense is harder, so offense.

1711
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 3: There's so many creative things you can do. Defense is harder.

1712
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 4: So I personally would hate this. But I wonder, like

1713
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 4: I've had thoughts of maybe things going this way, and

1714
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 4: you wouldn't play this way every play, it would be

1715
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 4: a package or packages. I do feel like we're getting

1716
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 4: towards a point where an option on defense is gonna

1717
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 4: be We're gonna have a bunch of guys that are

1718
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 4: from like five ten to six four, two hundred to

1719
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty pounds, and that's gonna be all

1720
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 4: eleven players positionless, just positionless defense. And you know what

1721
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 4: you're seeing the evolution of the box safety, overlapping with

1722
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 4: the linebacker, overlapping with the slot corner, or you know,

1723
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 4: third and lawn. Do you maybe you have a deep

1724
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 4: safety and then you just have ten of those guys

1725
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,919
Speaker 4: and anybody can do anything, and anybody can come from anywhere.

1726
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 4: You would need to really, I mean, the team, It

1727
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 4: would start with the team building, because you're not you

1728
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 4: can't just pull any random guy to do that. You're

1729
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 4: gonna have to go out and find some really unique

1730
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 4: individuals in terms of their physical skill set. But I

1731
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 4: do wonder if that's on the timeline that we're gonna

1732
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 4: get to a point where a team's gonna have a

1733
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 4: defensive package where it's essentially eleven kind of hybrid box safety, linebacker,

1734
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 4: slock corner, edge rusher type guys. You tell me the

1735
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,839
Speaker 4: player in the league that this is like eleven Fred Warners.

1736
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 4: Obviously that sounds insane because Fred Warner is one of one, right,

1737
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 4: but you get what I'm saying. Eleven guys that are

1738
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 4: just sort of athletes that are just sort of freak

1739
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,919
Speaker 4: apex athletes, and everybody's doing a little bit of everything,

1740
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 4: and you're trying to win as much on disguise as

1741
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 4: you are actual a building.

1742
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: That's a better session than I would have off the

1743
01:21:59,400 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: top of my head.

1744
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1745
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 3: And I like defensive much more about scheme innovation, I

1746
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 3: would say, than it is about and I know that

1747
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 3: that give.

1748
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 4: Me, give me, give me scheme, and so this is

1749
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 4: I don't.

1750
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 3: Defense though, is like everything with defense is so reactive

1751
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 3: to what the offense is doing, and it's so cyclical

1752
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 3: based off of what the offense is doing.

1753
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: The defense.

1754
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 3: I would love for for defense to be able to

1755
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 3: get on the front foot and like have something that

1756
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,480
Speaker 3: actually took offenses by surprise instead.

1757
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 4: Of a reaction that what Brian Flores is doing.

1758
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, like Brian Flores is doing like

1759
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 3: Amoba stuff and and like ghost pressures and thing.

1760
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 4: It's like, this is where our guy that used to

1761
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 4: comment at us and get mad at us, he had

1762
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 4: a he had an idea for this too, not just

1763
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 4: the defensive four was it was have three guys and

1764
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 4: it didn't make sense and it wouldn't have worked. But

1765
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 4: I remember this one too. He was like, the blitz

1766
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 4: should be an offensive velossity, not Defensivelosphy have three players

1767
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 4: blitz one lineman and then two guys are bound to

1768
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 4: get through. Okay, so it wouldn't work.

1769
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: Well, it does well, but they have that they have

1770
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 2: They have trail blitzer or follow blitzer is the Patriots

1771
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: actually run them a lot, or did with Belichick, where

1772
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 2: you'd have one guy through and his job was basically

1773
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: just to occupy the first guy, and then somebody would

1774
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: follow right behind his butt and right off his hip

1775
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 2: and go right in the into the same exact gap.

1776
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 8: Uh.

1777
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 2: They call them, you know, follow blitzer or or trail blitzes. Uh,

1778
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: you know whatever.

1779
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 3: And you know, defensively, right now, I feel like defensively,

1780
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 3: we're in a really cool evolution state with Fangio and

1781
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 3: and pattern matching really taking over, I.

1782
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 4: Think or defense ahead of offenses right now, A little bittmatically.

1783
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 3: Like so well, I would say they're ahead, but they

1784
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: have essentially they have adapted so to Shanahan and to

1785
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 3: the West Coast.

1786
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 4: So this is what it's all cyclical, right The offense

1787
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 4: has an innovation and it kind of dominates for year two,

1788
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 4: and then the defense figures out how to crack it,

1789
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 4: and then you know, remember last year at the beginning,

1790
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 4: everybody's complaining that there wasn't enough scoring, and then there'll

1791
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 4: be a new offensive innovation. I feel like we're on

1792
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 4: the defensive side of the cycle right now.

1793
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: So Fangio and look, pattern matching goes back to Bill

1794
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 3: and Saban in the nineties. So I want to give

1795
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 3: Belichick and Saban in their credit. They're the first ones

1796
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 3: that truly invented pattern matching coverage.

1797
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 4: You know, the greatest pro in college coach of all time,

1798
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 4: no big deal.

1799
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: Fangio has taken it to the next level though, with

1800
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 3: like things like palms and stuff like that. But Belichick

1801
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 3: and I actually got a really good answer from Belichick

1802
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 3: one of my early good questions on the beat when

1803
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 3: maybe there was hope for me as a question. Ask

1804
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 3: her to Bill and he said, oh, you know, we

1805
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 3: could write a book about this. But if I remember

1806
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 3: it correctly, and I don't remember which one it was,

1807
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 3: one of them was from a zone background and one

1808
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 3: of them was from a man background.

1809
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: And what they ended up doing.

1810
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 3: They were facing the Pittsburgh Steelers a lot in Cleveland,

1811
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 3: and they were a Cover three defense in Cleveland, a

1812
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 3: Cover three spot drop zone, and Cleveland Pittsburgh was just

1813
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 3: absolutely torching the Browns with four which is so silly.

1814
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 3: It's like the basic play. It's the most basic play

1815
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: in football. Four vertical routes right up the field. But

1816
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 3: if you think about it, you have three deep coverage guys.

1817
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 3: How are you covering four vertical routes with only three guys? Right,

1818
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna be open, so they're killing him with four verts.

1819
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 3: So Bill and Saban got together and they really put

1820
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 3: together the first iteration of pattern matching, and with their

1821
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 3: simple at the simplest form of pattern matching, you are

1822
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 3: carrying vertical routes like it's manson man coverage, and you're

1823
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 3: passing off underneath routes, so you know there'll be a depth,

1824
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 3: you know, six yards, eight yards. I believe Saban goes

1825
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: at eight where you make that determination as a defender, Yeah,

1826
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 3: at eight yards, is he declaring up the field or

1827
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 3: is he breaking? If he's breaking, you're passing it like

1828
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 3: a zone. If he's running up the field, you're carrying

1829
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 3: it like it's Manton Man coverage. And that way there,

1830
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: the slot corner, especially in Cleveland, became the fourth high guy.

1831
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 3: Right now you had four guys high, so you could

1832
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 3: cover over the top of four vertical routes. Then became

1833
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 3: that started in Cleveland. Then rip Liz comes Rip Liz

1834
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 3: is what is Saban's thing? That's he's really considered the

1835
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 3: godfather of riple is coverage, which is again some pattern

1836
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 3: matching man like like a man match pattern match coverage,

1837
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 3: and it's just the riple is is about the safeties,

1838
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 3: like which way are you rotating left or you rotating right?

1839
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 3: That's how you get rip or right Liz left. That's

1840
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,879
Speaker 3: how that's broken down. It's all determined by the receivers,

1841
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 3: like do they run under or do they run over?

1842
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 2: You know, do they run up? I should say?

1843
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Then Fangio comes in and Fangio starts running what what

1844
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 3: most people call palms, which is a quarters based coverage,

1845
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 3: and it's it's pattern matching but from quarters based structure,

1846
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 3: so four deep over the top, and essentially all it's

1847
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 3: doing is allowing defenders to cancel out routes, like you.

1848
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 4: Have number one.

1849
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 3: If number one runs an out under, but if number

1850
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: one runs vertical, then you move on to number two

1851
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 3: and then you whoever is the first guy into your zone,

1852
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 3: you're kind of taking right. So that in a lot

1853
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 3: of ways has caught up to these McVeigh, shanahan, McDaniel,

1854
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 3: Like that tree, uh, you know the floor in Green Bay.

1855
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 3: That was the answer to all of those types of things.

1856
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 3: So where do they go now is probably back to

1857
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,799
Speaker 3: an answer of how do they now adjust to Fangio's defense?

1858
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,879
Speaker 3: Like how do the offensive guys right adjust to Fangio's defense.

1859
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 3: With Fangio's defense, you're really covering receivers at a zone

1860
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 3: instead of windows. You know, when you spot drop, you're

1861
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 3: covering windows of the field, whereas when you man to

1862
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 3: man you're covering a specific body. So it'd be interesting

1863
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,839
Speaker 3: to see how they're able to do that. But that's

1864
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 3: when I look at defensive football. I always think about

1865
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 3: it in that respect, it's always reactionary. I don't know

1866
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 3: if there is a something that is forward thinking that

1867
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 3: a defense could possibly do to react to an offense.

1868
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: It would be cool to think of.

1869
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 3: Maybe some of the listeners have some ideas, but we

1870
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 3: can get back to the phones. We have some emails

1871
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 3: as well, and this is a good one from Dylan.

1872
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 3: He has a little are you happy with this season?

1873
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 3: If this is a stat line for this player? So

1874
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 3: tell me if you're happy with this for Drake May

1875
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 3: forty one hundred yards, thirty touchdowns, sixteen picks. Are you

1876
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 3: happy with that season?

1877
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 4: Again, I'm going to put the fumbles in there too.

1878
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 4: If there's lost fumbles on top of sixteen picks, that's

1879
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 4: the turnover number is still very high. I wouldn't be

1880
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 4: unhappy with it, but I there'd still be a way

1881
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 4: to go.

1882
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 3: You know me, I'm happy with it. I'm happy with

1883
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 3: it because when I see forty one hundred yards and

1884
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,759
Speaker 3: thirty touchdowns, the high ends are there. And I understand

1885
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 3: you're thinking on that, but this is quarterbacking.

1886
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 4: Call it sixteen turnovers and not sixteen interceptions, and I'd

1887
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 4: be very happy with that. That's fair.

1888
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 3: So this one, I'd be over the moon if Kyle

1889
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 3: Williams puts up these numbers. Kyle Williams sixty catches, six

1890
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards, five touchdowns, great, I'd be over

1891
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 3: the start if he puts up that kind.

1892
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 4: Of I'd like him to be better down the road.

1893
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 4: But that's a solid rookie season.

1894
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: That's that's over the five to five to five club.

1895
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 10: Right.

1896
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 3: If you're over that, that means you're on your way

1897
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 3: to being a really good receiver in the league. Keon

1898
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 3: White seven sacks, thirty five tackles, ten tackles for loss.

1899
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be solid season.

1900
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm not so happy with that one.

1901
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 4: I'd be fine.

1902
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 3: Wasn't he right around seven sacks last year because he

1903
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 3: had all those sacks at the beginning of the season.

1904
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well are they How are they distributed? If he

1905
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 4: has seven sacks in the five last year?

1906
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 2: So not quite.

1907
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 4: If he has seven sacks in the first like four

1908
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 4: weeks and then does nothing after that, that would be

1909
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 4: kind of disappointing, But that would be fine. I think

1910
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 4: the ceilings should be higher for him in this defense.

1911
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 4: I do, Yeah, I do. He's gonna be able to

1912
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 4: play more aggressively the production. I think the production is

1913
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 4: going to be higher for him.

1914
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: On a full back question, yes, where do you rank

1915
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: James Devil and the greatest fullbacks of all time? He

1916
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 3: says this is from Jonathan He says, Mike all Stott's

1917
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 3: number one?

1918
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 4: But where well, I mean, how are we doing this?

1919
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 4: Because Jim Brown was technically a fullback like true fullbacks,

1920
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 4: like the Lee blocking full back you're talking about. So

1921
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 4: we're not including like Larry Zonka here, No, okay, Mike

1922
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 4: allsought his number one, Lorenzo O'Neil is number two.

1923
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

1924
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 4: Who else? Who else is in there? Oh? What was

1925
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 4: it on the uh? Oh Larry Centers?

1926
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what do you mean? Who else

1927
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 3: is in there? Not even gonna name your boy Larry Centers.

1928
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 4: Well, because I'm thinking of blockers since we're doing that

1929
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 4: little those those are the top three to me. After that,

1930
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 4: Vante Leeches up there, Tony Richardson's up there. He's definitely

1931
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 4: in the top ten. I don't know that he's in

1932
01:30:58,360 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 4: the top five.

1933
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of these listen, I'm quickly pulling up

1934
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 3: here have like you know, Larry Zanka, Jim Brown, Frank o'harris,

1935
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 3: which were like they were they were like what was

1936
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 3: that word? It was a different word back in the day.

1937
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: They're fullbacks. But because of their alignments. I guess do

1938
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 3: you think Darryl back? No, Daryl Johnson, I think is

1939
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 3: the same kind of thing, right.

1940
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 4: Oh, Sam Gas? I actually don't know. I don't remember

1941
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:22,719
Speaker 4: that much about Sam Gash.

1942
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 2: John Couhon remember John john Yeah.

1943
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 4: It was good patriot for a second, was he m?

1944
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 4: I thinking that Danny vitally like Mike Tolbert to me,

1945
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 4: was a running back. Mike Tolvert was a running back

1946
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:35,480
Speaker 4: like Lorenzo.

1947
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: Neil was a true fullback with Danny and Thomasin's lead blocker,

1948
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 3: like that was a true Who.

1949
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 4: Is the John Kuhn was not a Patriot? Wasn't? Did

1950
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 4: Sam get I don't know. I don't know.

1951
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: I feel like the Cowboys had one.

1952
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 4: But Sam Gash, from what I know, was a very

1953
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 4: good player, and he blocked for some great running backs.

1954
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 4: He blocked for Curtis Martin. Yep, he blocked for Jamal Lewis.

1955
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 4: I think was he there when Lewis said no? That

1956
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 4: would have been after him when Lewis set the single

1957
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 4: game rushing record. Sam Gash is up there.

1958
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: Who was someone was? Was it Lorenzo Neil? Did he

1959
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 2: move on to Minnesota to block for Adrian Peterson for

1960
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1961
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 4: I think that was Vonte Leach.

1962
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 3: I remember the the Vikings having a good one for

1963
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson there for a second.

1964
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 4: I'll look it up. No, Lorenzo Neil was Saints, Jets, Box, Titans, Bengals, Chargers, Ravens.

1965
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know who it was then, but I

1966
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 2: don't know.

1967
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 4: He might be in the top ten. They there's some

1968
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 4: like all time great stuff.

1969
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 3: So I believe the one I'm thinking of, and I

1970
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 3: this is truly showing my age here because I can't

1971
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 3: even I don't know Minnesota.

1972
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 4: No, the one I was thinking of Richard Okay, who

1973
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 4: you're thinking of?

1974
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 3: The one in Dallas Darryl Johnson who blocked was the

1975
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 3: Smith's leader.

1976
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think he also, I think he was

1977
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 4: more in that Larry Zonka, like I think he carried

1978
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 4: the ball.

1979
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 3: Could amount okay, but yeah, those were Those are some

1980
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 3: other ones in the annals of NFL history.

1981
01:32:59,400 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1982
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 3: James Devlin's better than some of those guys at Frankly,

1983
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 3: I didn't watch a ton of those guys is before

1984
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 3: my time, but I would say, you know, it was

1985
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 3: Devon's in the I think conversation. I think he was

1986
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 3: the best fallback of his era.

1987
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 4: Now, there were only so many fallbacks during that time,

1988
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 4: and that might be part of it. But I mean

1989
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 4: the golden age for like the lead blocking fullback is

1990
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 4: the late nineties, in early two thousands, All Stott is

1991
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 4: the Apex. Lorenzo O'Neil is up there. Larry Centers was

1992
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 4: not a traditional fallback, but he's up there. But Larry

1993
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 4: Center should be a Pro Football Hall of Famer. I

1994
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 4: mean what he did as a receiver. Nobody was catching

1995
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 4: the ball out of the backfield like Larry Centers until

1996
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 4: he did, and nobody did it for about ten years

1997
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 4: after he got it. Literally, there were no thousand yard

1998
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 4: receiving backs until Larry Centers, and then I think it

1999
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,839
Speaker 4: was another six or seven years before the Danny Tomlinson

2000
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 4: did it. And I think the only guys that have

2001
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 4: done it since are McCaffrey and Matt Forte. Sneaky underrated player.

2002
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,879
Speaker 4: Matt FORTEO is he sneaky?

2003
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 2: I feel like.

2004
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think he's gonna be a Hall

2005
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 4: of Famer. No, but so have you've seen this guy.

2006
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 4: It started as a baseball thing, and now there's a

2007
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 4: basketball one. This is big on social media. The Hall

2008
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:12,520
Speaker 4: of Very Good.

2009
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 2: To me, that's just a team Hall of Fame.

2010
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 4: Well, no, this guy started this thing where he like

2011
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 4: actually has people vote for the Hall of Very Good

2012
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 4: and the players like acknowledge it. It's very fun. Matt

2013
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 4: Forte is a first ballot Hall of Very Good player.

2014
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but he

2015
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 4: had won.

2016
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 3: Se Forte is a Chicago Bears Hall of Famer.

2017
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 4: He had five thousand yard season, should have had six.

2018
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 4: He was three yards short one year. Oh, he never

2019
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 4: had a thousand yard receiving season. Eight is one hundred

2020
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 4: catch seasons. That's what did have one hundred catch season

2021
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 4: as a back for Chicago in twenty fourteen. Like, I

2022
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't think it's not And there were

2023
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 4: so many good running backs in that era. I don't

2024
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 4: think he gets enough credit. I don't know that he's

2025
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, but I don't think he gets enough credit.

2026
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 3: To me, Hall of Very Good is just what the

2027
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 3: team Hall of Fame is for. That's how you honor

2028
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 3: those types of well Matt Forte is because that's like a.

2029
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 4: Patriots fans. How do we as Patriots fans recognize Matt Forte? Then?

2030
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 2: Family, you really you need to recognize Matt fourt.

2031
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It should he should be more recognized.

2032
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 4: Is a good player. Yes, that's my whole point.

2033
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna die, You're You're really it's killing you that

2034
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 3: you can't recognize Matt Fote's greatness.

2035
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 4: That the generic football fan who's not a Bears fan can't. Yes,

2036
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 4: I think he'll be all right, that's the whole point.

2037
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 4: I think he'll Paul very good.

2038
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,440
Speaker 3: Here's a question from Stevie Steve Steve to be exact. Yeah,

2039
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 3: he asks, Uh, what will you need to see from

2040
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 3: the offensive line in training camp to feel confident going

2041
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 3: into the season.

2042
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think there's an answer to that.

2043
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 4: I gotta see it in the preseason. I don't even

2044
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 4: if they're good in the preseason. I'm just so at

2045
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 4: this point I need to see real results. I don't

2046
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 4: know if that's a cop out answer, Evan, you tell

2047
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 4: me but like, I.

2048
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 3: Don't know, because like it's so vanilla in the preseason

2049
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 3: in terms of what they're throwing at you schematically, and

2050
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 3: so you're not really getting into all the different pressures

2051
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 3: that you're gonna see in a regular season game, especially

2052
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 3: on third down. In the preseason, some coaches will turn

2053
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 3: it up, you know, Wake Martindale used to get on

2054
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 3: Bill's nerves for turning it up.

2055
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 4: I remember that.

2056
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 3: But some coaches would turn it up in preseason. But

2057
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 3: for the most part, you're looking at some pretty vanilla stuff.

2058
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 3: And I would say, though in general, even though it's

2059
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 3: not quite I'm not gonna anoint him off of it,

2060
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 3: but I am really looking forward to seeing Will Campbell

2061
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 3: on film because it's hard in these practices to of course,

2062
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 3: the spring is thrown out.

2063
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not in pads.

2064
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 3: But even when they get into pads and you're watching practice,

2065
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:41,959
Speaker 3: it's hard to break down the offensive line in practice.

2066
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 3: It's a lot of moving parts. Things are flying all

2067
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 3: over the place, like you just can't really see it

2068
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 3: as well. So if you watch the film in the

2069
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 3: three preseason games, let's say he plays two or three

2070
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 3: of two and a half three or whatever, for Will Campbell.

2071
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 3: If you watch that in Will Campbell's it looks the part,

2072
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 3: it passes the eye test, moves well, all those types

2073
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 3: of things. If he's at least blocking one on one

2074
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 3: at a really good level, I'm gonna feel a little

2075
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 3: bit better. But I don't think that you can really,

2076
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 3: especially on the interior, when you're gonna see so many

2077
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 3: different pressures and so many different looks on the interior.

2078
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 3: The outside is you're getting an edgeresher out there one

2079
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 3: way or another, Like, it's not really, that's not really

2080
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 3: where the spicy stuff happens. The spicy stuff happens inside

2081
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 3: with the stunts and the gaming and the sim pressures

2082
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 3: and all that kind of that. That stuff typically comes

2083
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 3: from the inside. So that's gonna be hard to see

2084
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 3: its center at guard, left guard, like how are they

2085
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 3: handling that tackle? You can see if Will Campbell can

2086
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 3: survive on an island in the preseason. I don't know

2087
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: about the interior spots. This is a good question here

2088
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 3: that keeps getting asked, but I might as well keep

2089
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 3: answering it. Michael, in Tucson, we have a lot of

2090
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 3: Patriots fans in Arizona. I've noticed that in Tucson, have

2091
01:37:54,720 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 3: you discussed traveon Henderson's contract status. So Trayvon Henderson along

2092
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 3: with thirty other second round picks, thirty of the thirty

2093
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 3: two and.

2094
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 4: The second exceptions of the top two picks, yeah, are

2095
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 4: unsigned currently on thirty six to whatever, sixty four.

2096
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 3: Do not have contracts. So is the guaranteed money versus

2097
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 3: eighty percent or another percent something that we can see.

2098
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 3: So basically he's asking like how much guaranteed money? So

2099
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 3: typically for second round picks who typically see three out

2100
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,679
Speaker 3: of the four years guaranteed on their rookie contract, towards

2101
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 3: the end of the second round, maybe team start to

2102
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 3: get a little bit looser with it and it's more

2103
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 3: like two and a half, but it's typically three out

2104
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 3: of four years. The problem is, thank you Nick Assario

2105
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 3: and the Houston Texans, they gave Jenden Higgins a fully

2106
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 3: guaranteed contract all four years, fully guaranteed like a first

2107
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:41,719
Speaker 3: round pick.

2108
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 2: So now the rest of the second.

2109
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 4: Round in the Browns did that with Carson Swag and Show.

2110
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 3: So everybody's holding out now for fully guaranteed contracts in

2111
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 3: the second round. My guess is that this gets settled

2112
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 3: with top fifty picks getting the fully guaranteed deals. If

2113
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 3: you're if you're the sixtieth pick in the draft, I

2114
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 3: don't think you're going to get it. I don't think

2115
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to win that negotiation. Travon Henderson

2116
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 3: might have a case. He might have a case.

2117
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 4: Here's the other interesting variable when it comes to Henderson. Well,

2118
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 4: there's that side of it. Although he is a running

2119
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 4: back to ahead of him in Quinn Shawn Judkins, who

2120
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 4: plays for the Browns, who already gave Carson Sweginger a

2121
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 4: fully guaranteed contract, who's a linebacker, which is another devalued position.

2122
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 4: So that's gonna Helph because he's gonna be able to

2123
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 4: say quin John Judkins got a fully guaranteed contract two

2124
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 4: picks after Travion Henderson. You mentioned the cutoff being a

2125
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 4: top fifty. Two picks after Travon Henderson, the New Orleans

2126
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 4: Saints took Tyler Shuck, who's probably gonna be their starting quarterback.

2127
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so funny.

2128
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 4: He has all the leverage in the world to get

2129
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 4: the fully guaranteed contract.

2130
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck got drafted in the second round because he

2131
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 3: made that one like under like underhand throw in the

2132
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 3: in the red zone touchdown that made the rounds all

2133
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 3: throughout draft season, and he got drafted on that one throw.

2134
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 4: And because he's already an adult, so there's less development time,

2135
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 4: even though he's not developing in a.

2136
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 2: Much I have I have a question about that. Finish

2137
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: your point.

2138
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 4: So, Trey Van Henderson, I think anybody who's ahead of

2139
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck is going to be waiting for Tyler Schuck

2140
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 4: to sign. Tyler Shuck to me's the domino. He's got

2141
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 4: to sign first. And then once he signs, because then

2142
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 4: all the guys that are picked ahead of him, and

2143
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 4: I don't care these quarterback he's picked after me, I

2144
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 4: should get a full guaranteed contract and then we'll see

2145
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 4: what happens after him. I think that's more where the

2146
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 4: cutoff is, you know, top fifty. Certainly there's just that

2147
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 4: sort of objective top fifty pick, but Tyler Shuck's the

2148
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 4: variable here. We got to see what happens with Tyler Shock.

2149
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:37,719
Speaker 3: So he brought up an interesting point about Tyler Shuck

2150
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 3: and how old he is.

2151
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 2: He's like thirty, right or whatever.

2152
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 4: Comic Tyler Shuck's first year in college with Joe Burrow's

2153
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 4: first year.

2154
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, only kind of half joking, he's like twenty

2155
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 2: seven or twenty six.

2156
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a twenty six year

2157
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 4: old rookie turns so in September.

2158
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 2: Tyler Schuck's the extreme.

2159
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 4: But you also have back when Tyler Shuck began his

2160
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 4: college career, Tom Brady was a five time Super Bowl champion.

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01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 3: You also have Jaden Daniels, who was a six year

2162
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 3: player in college. Younger younger player than Shuck, but a

2163
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 3: six year player in college. Now, some of this was

2164
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 3: forced on the NFL.

2165
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 4: Jade Daniels for two years behind Tyler Shuck.

2166
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 3: Some of this is forced on the NFL by COVID

2167
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 3: mainly pushing everybody back, but also now with NIL there's

2168
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 3: not as much incentive for these guys to rush to

2169
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 3: the league. I just wonder, is the NFL, not necessarily

2170
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 3: with Tyler Shuck's of the world, but with Jayden Daniels specifically,

2171
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 3: is the NFL now going to pivot with quarterback and

2172
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 3: say we need to go back to evaluating quarterbacks that

2173
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 3: are coming into the league with legitimate starter experience, like

2174
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 3: fifty college starts like Jaden Daniels level of experience.

2175
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 4: Cut off usually like twenty five.

2176
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Parcels had that thing right where we had like

2177
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 3: these thresholds for this The reason why I asked this,

2178
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 3: and I hope that your two for Drake Ma Goo's

2179
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 3: incredibly well. But there's no doubt that it ended up

2180
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 3: panning out the way that we thought with Jaden Daniels

2181
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 3: being the most pro ready quarterback and Kalb and Drake

2182
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 3: May looking toolsy, looking flashy, and with a ton of potential.

2183
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 3: But if Caleb Williams just kind of flames out let's

2184
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 3: call it in Chicago after a rough rookie year, and

2185
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,480
Speaker 3: Drake May doesn't necessarily rise, would we look at evaluating

2186
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 3: quarterbacks and go and say the guys that have been

2187
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 3: in college for a long time might actually have more

2188
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 3: value because they're ready to step in and hit the

2189
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 3: ground running right away. Because I think in the past,

2190
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 3: and this I remember talking about this with the mac

2191
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 3: Jones draft, Mack was the more pro ready quarterback, but

2192
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 3: everybody knew that his ceiling wasn't as high as some

2193
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 3: of the other guys, but thought that he had a

2194
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 3: higher floor. So usually when you have like the true

2195
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 3: junior declare like a Kleb Williams or Drake. May you

2196
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 3: think that they have this higher ceiling because they're younger

2197
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 3: and they've already reached a certain level and they have

2198
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 3: more runway to get better better, But could we really

2199
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 3: see it go the other way with Jayden Daniels being

2200
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 3: really the poster child for it, where now all of

2201
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 3: a sudden the experience comes back into play because it

2202
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 3: used to be that way.

2203
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 4: I think so, especially since the college game and pro

2204
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 4: game are so similar for quarterbacks now offensively and you're

2205
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 4: seeing more of the spread stuff come to the NFL

2206
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 4: that there's less of that translation that you're just gonna

2207
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 4: teams want to feel more comfortable to know what they're getting,

2208
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 4: and you're gonna know what you're getting with the guy

2209
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:26,480
Speaker 4: that has more starts.

2210
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: It used to be that way.

2211
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 3: That that was, you know, the real the senior, you know,

2212
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 3: the guy that's a three four year starters of parcels

2213
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 3: his thresholds and his you know rule of thumbs for

2214
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks or rules to draft quarterbacks. Three year starter, yeah,

2215
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 3: twenty three wins, and then he had some like statistical

2216
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 3: yeah thresholds, right, I think it was like two to

2217
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 3: one or three to one. Interception touchdown interception and like

2218
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 3: things like that.

2219
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 4: Well, you look at the guys so for instance.

2220
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 2: And it must be senior. It was another one, so

2221
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 2: mus be a senior.

2222
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 4: You look at a guy like this year in Fernando Mendoza,

2223
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 4: who was the quarterback of Cal. He just transferred. He'll

2224
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 4: he'll be at Indiana this year's at Cal the last

2225
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 4: two years. Fernando Mendoza is not the most eye popping

2226
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 4: quarterback prospect. He's a big guy, six five two twenty five.

2227
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 4: He's got the size, but like, he's not the most mobile.

2228
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the biggest arm. Like they're good, they're

2229
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 4: NFL caliber, but I don't know that he is. He

2230
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 4: doesn't have that one wow trait. Right, He's just solid.

2231
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 4: He's a solid college quarterback. Guys like that are usually second, third,

2232
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 4: fourth round picks. I mean he's by the way, he's uh,

2233
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,560
Speaker 4: he's gonna turn twenty two years old this season, so

2234
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 4: he'll be a twenty three year old rookie like guys

2235
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 4: like that. He's his second third round picks. Has pulled

2236
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 4: up our little consensus board number seven. You know why,

2237
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,599
Speaker 4: he's polished, he's proven. This is gonna be his third

2238
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 4: essentially full year as a starter. He started nine games

2239
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, got hurt late in the year,

2240
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 4: but like started nine games of twenty three, eleven games

2241
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 4: last year led caldo winning record. If you can do

2242
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 4: the same thing in Indiana this year in the Big Ten, Like,

2243
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 4: that's not a guy that was gonna get a ton

2244
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 4: of attention a couple of years ago. And look, maybe

2245
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 4: he'll bought him out and suck, but like, if he

2246
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 4: is a decent season, he's gonna get looks because he's

2247
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:18,480
Speaker 4: just a known commodity.

2248
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 2: I just wonder if value. You know, like a guy

2249
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 2: like Drake May.

2250
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 3: Caleb was a three year starter because he started a

2251
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 3: lot at Oklahoma, Yeah, and then he started two years

2252
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 3: at USC. Drake May was a two year starter at

2253
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 3: North Carolina. You know, Sam Howell was the starter and

2254
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,759
Speaker 3: then he was the starter for two years. The guys

2255
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 3: like Garrett ness Meyer is going to be a two

2256
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 3: year starter, right because Jayden Daniels was the starter and

2257
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 3: then ness Meyers started last year and then he'll start

2258
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:39,679
Speaker 3: this year.

2259
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 2: What's the kid from Clemson Kate Club?

2260
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:43,639
Speaker 8: Nick?

2261
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have my own reservations about Kate Club, but

2262
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 4: they're separate from this.

2263
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 2: He but is he a multi year starter?

2264
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2265
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 3: So that mel Kiper has him high in his like

2266
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 3: way too early mock drafts, And I wonder if that's.

2267
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 4: Why, Well, how exactly these dabbo quarterbacks panned out is

2268
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 4: a bigger.

2269
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 2: Vesial Well, de Shaun Watson was pretty good before he.

2270
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 4: Since then, Yeah, Kate club Nick has started twenty seven

2271
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 4: games over the last two year.

2272
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 2: So he'd fit this mold. What was the sec kid?

2273
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 4: Was he not Smyer? No, there's another guy, Lenora Sellers. Yes,

2274
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 4: Leonora's Sellers is gonna be interesting. Yeah, because he is.

2275
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: Then obviously there's Arch who we'll see if he declares.

2276
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 4: Did you see Paul fine Bob said? Arch Manning is

2277
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 4: gonna be the best college quarterback since Tim Tebow.

2278
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 2: I mean it's Paul fine bamb.

2279
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 4: It's a ridiculous take he has that includes Cam Newton.

2280
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 2: He has ridiculous takes.

2281
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 4: And that that's an all timer. I do like I'm

2282
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 4: interested in Lenora's Sellers. I'm interested. I'm not saying he's good.

2283
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I'm interested. Toolsy, I assume very toolsy. Yeah,

2284
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 4: incredibly like the guy's fearless he's so fun to watch

2285
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 4: play quarterback, and it works for him. Now is it

2286
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 4: going to continue to work for him now there's more

2287
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 4: tape on him, that's kind of the question. But he's six'

2288
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 4: three two, forty he's got a big, arm he's a smart.

2289
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:04,600
Speaker 4: Kid he takes risks like he. Cares he's got a

2290
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 4: lot of the. Tools it's just he's only started one.

2291
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 4: Year he's. Young he he just turned. Twenty he's gonna be,

2292
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 4: like he's gonna play this season a twenty years. Old

2293
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 4: so we'll see if he comes. Out he might stay another,

2294
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 4: year but there's there's a lot there to, like we'll

2295
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 4: see if it all comes. Together kind of LIKE Dj.

2296
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 4: Lagway lagway's a little more physically impressive real. Quick you

2297
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 4: want the quarterbacks that were In Tyler shuck's recruiting, class

2298
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 4: this is the twenty eighteen class. Ranking Trevor, LAWRENCE i

2299
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 4: think is on his THIRD nfl, contract, Right Justin field's

2300
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 4: THIRD nfl, TEAM Jt, Daniels Bus tanner, McKey, BUSS i

2301
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 4: don't even know Who Justin rodgers, IS Dtr Jaron, Williams Matt,

2302
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 4: Corral Tyler. Shuck that was the top of that. Class Corral.

2303
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:49,639
Speaker 2: IS i don't even know if he's.

2304
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 4: On he is tearing up THE. Uflu phil Dr kovic

2305
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,679
Speaker 4: is in. Here Em Marie, jones if you remember Every

2306
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 4: jones might still be in.

2307
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 3: College i'm very. Interested tan AND i went touchdowns in a.

2308
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 3: Game i'm very interested to see where this heads. With you,

2309
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 3: know all this stuff you were talking To scheme. Earlier

2310
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 3: all this stuff is so cyclical in terms of scouting as.

2311
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 3: Well Jaden daniel's success in the league and immediate success

2312
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 3: in the league as an, adult as a twenty four

2313
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 3: year old that started for five years in, college six

2314
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 3: years in. COLLEGE i just wonder if evaluating quarterbacks starts

2315
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 3: to head back into that direction with the Parcels way

2316
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 3: three year, starters true senior. Above you, know tons of

2317
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 3: experience in, college polished, kids you, know things like. THAT

2318
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 3: a couple of the guys THAT i saw on the

2319
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 3: list that they they brought up that fit that were

2320
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 3: like The, Mannings, Breeze roethlisberger like all throughout that. Era Even,

2321
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:48,839
Speaker 3: brady you, know didn't have necessarily all the starting EXPERIENCE

2322
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 3: i don't, think because he was splitting, time but he

2323
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 3: went To michigan for the entire time. Right he was

2324
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 3: a four year player At. Michigan so there's a lot

2325
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 3: of that type of stuff THAT i was interested.

2326
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 4: IN qb thirty four in that, Class Joe.

2327
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 3: Milton here's an email From anthony, says first, off what

2328
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 3: an incredible. Analogy season Two Family guy was truly. AMAZING

2329
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 3: i can still Hear lois Mocking, peter we'll take the.

2330
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 4: Box we'll take the, box sell the boat for a

2331
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 4: pair of concert. Tickets so just some people are aware

2332
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 4: that scene is a Family guy.

2333
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 2: Bit it's a Family guy. Bit you probably explained.

2334
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 4: This so basically they it's the setup to the. Episode

2335
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 4: they get like a thing in the mail that, says

2336
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 4: if you go sit through this timeshare, presentation you'll get

2337
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 4: a free. Boat and everybody on the street gets, it

2338
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 4: and they're, like all, right we'll get a free. Boat

2339
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 4: so they. Go they sit through the presentation and it's you,

2340
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 4: know you think dumb Cartoon dad is going to buy

2341
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 4: the time. Share no gets through. It they're sitting in

2342
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 4: the office with the salesman and he, goes so can

2343
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 4: we get you to sign? Up and he, goes save

2344
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 4: me your, trick, salesman where's my? Boat salesman goes, wait

2345
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 4: you haven't. Heard you can get the boat or you

2346
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 4: can get the mystery. Box it kind of shakes it

2347
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 4: in front of him like wo And lois, goes what

2348
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 4: are you, Crazy we'll take the, boat And peter, goes,

2349
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,560
Speaker 4: oh hang, on hang, on hang. On the boat's a,

2350
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 4: boat but the mystery box could be. Anything it could

2351
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 4: even be a. Boat you know how much we've wanted

2352
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 4: one of. Those And lois starts saying he cuts her.

2353
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 4: Off he, goes we'll take the. Box and then they're

2354
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 4: driving home and all their neighbors have their boats and

2355
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 4: they're looking at their, boats And lois, goes we'll take the.

2356
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 4: Box you trade in a boat for, it and they

2357
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 4: end up being tickets to a comedy. Club it's.

2358
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 3: Amazing, Yeah and so we use that a lot with,

2359
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:30,759
Speaker 3: Players LIKE i think we first placed. It the potential

2360
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 3: of this player could be it could be. Anything it

2361
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 3: could be a, boat you, know but it's specifically when

2362
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 3: you're talking about two.

2363
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 4: Players so the first TIME i saw it used like

2364
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 4: that was when The titans traded AWAY Aj brown instead

2365
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 4: of paying him to Draft Traylon. Burks, yeah that Was

2366
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,679
Speaker 4: Treylon burks could be. Anything, yeah he could even Be Aj.

2367
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 4: Brown you know how much we've wanted a guy LIKE Aj.

2368
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 3: Brown so in this, Email anthony, said with that being,

2369
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 3: said you cannot Trade keon for, what As evan pointed,

2370
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 3: out we. Aren't when now Like keon flourish with good,

2371
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 3: COACHING i believe he will still be a top rusher

2372
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 3: in this. League it's a fair. Point they definitely have

2373
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 3: a more runway with Ke On.

2374
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 4: White SO i will say this, though when it comes.

2375
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 2: To that positions could even be a.

2376
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 4: Boat and when it comes to that position, specifically the

2377
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 4: pushback ANYTIME i use mystery box of the boat is

2378
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 4: the other players, younger he's, cheaper, YadA, YadA. YadA. Whatever this,

2379
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 4: Staff Mike, Rabel, Terrell William zach kerr. RIGHT i trust

2380
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 4: them to develop pass. Rushers, yeah so you Get Trey,

2381
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 4: hendrickson who in twenty twenty five is going to be

2382
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 4: better Than Keon. White and THEN i trust them to

2383
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 4: go into the draft next year and find a long term.

2384
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 4: OPTION i trust them to find another Key On white

2385
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 4: in the. Draft at another, POSITION i might feel differently

2386
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 4: and be, like all, right you, know, no you're a young.

2387
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,719
Speaker 4: Team you want to stick with the youth here, blah blah,

2388
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 4: blah WHATEVER i. TRY i trust this staff to go

2389
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 4: find a pass. RUSHER i. Do, yeah it's a good.

2390
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 3: Point all, right let's get back to these calls and

2391
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 3: wrap up the show. Here but, MAN i literally always

2392
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 3: laugh at the family guy. THING i can't help But

2393
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 3: i've seen it in a thousand.

2394
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 4: Episode was on the other day AND i was, like, oh, oh,

2395
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 4: yeah there it.

2396
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 2: Is it's just so. Perfect all, Right craig is In South.

2397
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 2: Carolina what's? Up, Craig, hey what's?

2398
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 11: Up can you hear?

2399
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 8: Me?

2400
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah go for?

2401
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 11: It how you guys doing? Good for some, reason some,

2402
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 11: reason the volume went. Down but, anyways to guts on the.

2403
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 2: Mimage thank.

2404
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 11: You i've been married thirty three years this, time And

2405
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,640
Speaker 11: i'm actually involved in some marriage, counseling SO i just

2406
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 11: wanted to, say Put god first in, marriage the, weather

2407
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 11: the storms for, you and also a good marriage is

2408
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 11: too great forgivers to always forgive before.

2409
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 4: You go to.

2410
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 11: Sleep, anyways So i'm gonna take that. Off But i've

2411
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 11: got a question about in the off, season all all the,

2412
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:59,839
Speaker 11: quarterbacks Like, brady he used to work out With. Edelman,

2413
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 11: man let's see there's another one that would work out

2414
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:09,599
Speaker 11: With but, anyway many many used to work out With Marvin.

2415
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:14,560
Speaker 11: Harrison So i'm, wondering what what is Uh drake me

2416
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 11: doing or is he allowed to work out with some

2417
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 11: of his. Receivers that's my.

2418
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 3: Question, yeah, great thanks for the, call and thanks for

2419
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 3: the marriage. Advice that the don't go to bed mad

2420
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 3: at each other One I've i've heard a, lot and

2421
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 3: that's good. ADVICE i would say that in my very,

2422
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 3: young very experienced relationship self can tell you, that, uh the,

2423
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:36,680
Speaker 3: yeah he, could he could do. That you know they

2424
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 3: have they could have summits or something like. That brady

2425
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,560
Speaker 3: would take his guys To montana right and at his

2426
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 3: house In montana and.

2427
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:44,640
Speaker 2: They could do that sort of.

2428
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 4: THING i went through last.

2429
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 3: Year, yeah they. Went i'm sure that they have, something you, Know.

2430
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 3: Drake congratulations to him as. Well he just got, married

2431
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 3: so he's a little.

2432
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 4: Busy you just can bond over.

2433
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 3: There, Maybe, uh he's a little busy at the. Moment

2434
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 3: SO i understand. That trust, ME i definitely understand. That

2435
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 3: SO i don't know if he's necessarily doing that right this,

2436
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 3: second but that that's that's totally, Cool like there's no

2437
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 3: rules against it at.

2438
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 2: All in THE.

2439
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 3: Nfl as long as there's no coaches, present there's no

2440
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 3: team personnel present for that, workout the players can do

2441
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 3: whatever they. Want they can get together and have a passing.

2442
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:22,599
Speaker 3: Summit usually it's a it's the, quarterback or sometimes it's

2443
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 3: even a veteran receiver if the quarterback's. YOUNGER i would,

2444
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 3: say like a guy Like Kendrick bourne feels like a

2445
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 3: type of guy that might do something like that and

2446
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 3: put something like that. Together so definitely. POSSIBLE i haven't

2447
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 3: heard of that happening. Yet LIKE i, Said drake's getting

2448
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 3: married or got, married and then you, Know july fourth

2449
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 3: is in a couple of, days but maybe afterwards we

2450
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 3: might hear about something like.

2451
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 2: That patty is An. Agua what's?

2452
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 6: Up?

2453
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 2: Patty, hey, guys what's going?

2454
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 4: On can you hear?

2455
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 2: Me, okay, yeah we got you all?

2456
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 7: Right, sorry hold, on, SORRY i was just climbing off

2457
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 7: of a, roof so, okay be. Careful, yeah first, OFF

2458
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 7: i wanted to say congrat, seven thank, you and, yeah

2459
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 7: the piece of advice of never going.

2460
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 5: To that mad as.

2461
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 7: Good the other thing is the other big thing that

2462
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 7: my wife AND i never. Do we've been married for

2463
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 7: over ten. Years we don't fight about. Money we always

2464
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 7: seem to come to a.

2465
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 11: Compromise you.

2466
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 7: KNOW i always try to apply, Logic she always tries

2467
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 7: to apply an. Emotion but we meet somewhere in the,

2468
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 7: middle which is a good. Thing i'm sorry IF i

2469
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 7: if you guys already covered. THIS i wasn't able to

2470
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 7: listen to most of the. Show but do you think

2471
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 7: with the trade that we saw a couple of days,

2472
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 7: ago now we're gonna get you, know how everything happens

2473
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 7: in bunches in THE nfl like prid to the twenty

2474
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 7: twenty two, draft we saw those wide receivers. Traded do

2475
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 7: you think we're gonna see a little bit more player

2476
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 7: for player, trades you, know within the next couple of,

2477
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 7: weeks for like once training camp. Hits nothing, crazy but

2478
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 7: just more of what we, saw maybe not as big

2479
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 7: of a name As ramsey And john News smith And Minka.

2480
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 7: Fitzpatrick And i'll take that out. There and the last

2481
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 7: thing for, You ali like the when he coming over

2482
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 7: to dot com full. Time that's ALL i. Got i'll

2483
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 7: talk take it out, there.

2484
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 3: Guys, Thanks patty. Appreciated uh you like talking about other

2485
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 3: sports too?

2486
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 2: Much, yeah that's WHAT i can't give. Up you can't

2487
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 2: give up YOUR.

2488
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 4: I was the. BEST i can't give up talking about

2489
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 4: The Red. Sox you're, there they're testing, that they're.

2490
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 2: Testing SO i don't know if we'll see a flurry

2491
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 2: of trades for a player for player.

2492
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 3: Now like like today or. TOMORROW i don't. KNOW i

2493
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 3: have no, idea but in, GENERAL I i do feel

2494
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 3: like we might start seeing that. More in general player

2495
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 3: for player trades similarly to like what we see in other.

2496
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 3: LEAGUES i do think that those are becoming a little

2497
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 3: bit more popular in THE.

2498
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 4: Nfl, well some of this because there's less practice time,

2499
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 4: now so you miss like the reason that we're never

2500
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,320
Speaker 4: player for player. Trades like in, baseball you just plug

2501
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,640
Speaker 4: a guy in the lineup and you tell them to go.

2502
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 4: Hit he doesn't need to learn a whole. Playbook you,

2503
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 4: know in basketball and hockey it's a little more, involved

2504
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 4: but there's not as you're not the systems aren't necessarily

2505
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 4: as different in football because there's so much carryover between. Systems,

2506
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 4: now it is a little easier to kind of swap

2507
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 4: player for player into the. Season and we are sort

2508
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 4: of into the season right the whole spring install is done,

2509
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 4: yep and not worry about guys missing as. Much LIKE

2510
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 4: i think a guy Like john New smith has been

2511
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 4: In Arthur smith's, offense so it's gonna be easy for

2512
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 4: him to catch.

2513
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Up that's a good. Point all, right last call, HERE

2514
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 2: z is In. Massachusetts what's?

2515
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 6: UP? Z, hey how you guys.

2516
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 10: Doing what do you think of A J moore for

2517
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 10: a third second and a FOURTH Dj?

2518
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 2: Moore you mean In? Chicago, yeah, yeah.

2519
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 4: YEAH i know if that WAS Aj, MOORE Dj, Brown.

2520
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 2: Thanks for the, CALL. Z i figured he MEANT Dj.

2521
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 2: MOORE i LOVE Dj.

2522
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:42,520
Speaker 4: Moore that would TAKE Aj. Moore they need a deep safety.

2523
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 4: RETIRED i LIKE.

2524
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 2: Dj moore the.

2525
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 3: Player i've always liked his. Game, uh he didn't have

2526
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 3: the greatest of seasons last year just in, general just

2527
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 3: body language, wise wasn't the greatest. EITHER i don't know

2528
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 3: if it would take that much at this. POINT Dj

2529
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 3: moore to, me feels a little bit below THE Dk

2530
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 3: Metcalf terry.

2531
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 4: McCain he's also not that kind of receiver struggled in McDaniel's.

2532
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 2: Offense, yeah he's a little. Bit he can run routes on.

2533
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 4: The outside a little more scheme touchy isn't.

2534
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 2: He a little, bit he's.

2535
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 4: VERSATILE i don't. KNOW i wouldn't be against. It they

2536
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 4: need the. TALENT i just don't. Know, like like you,

2537
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 4: said that's not adding A terry McLaurin adding A Dk.

2538
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:24,240
Speaker 4: Metcalf THAT'S i don't even know AT i mean health health.

2539
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 4: ASIDE i don't even know if he'd be Above. Digs,

2540
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 4: REALLY i still Think diggs would be your primary wide

2541
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 4: receiver edition if he's fully.

2542
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 3: HEALTHY i think he's probably younger and healthier Than, diggs so,

2543
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 3: maybe but he's A he's definitely a tier below metcalf

2544
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 3: and McLaurin to.

2545
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 2: Me but he's a good. Player he definitely would be one.

2546
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 3: Of their best. Receivers but that's you, know the bar

2547
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 3: is not very high. There but, YEAH i CAN i

2548
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 3: could see, that BUT i don't think it would take

2549
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 3: quite as. MUCH i think you could actually GET Dj,

2550
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 3: moore maybe even for like a fourth round. Pick look

2551
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 3: at like What Maari cooper has been going for in

2552
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,080
Speaker 3: some of these trades that he's moved. In, yeah it

2553
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 3: seems like a little similar to something like.

2554
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 2: That so that's the show.

2555
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,280
Speaker 3: Today LIKE i, said next, week we are gonna have

2556
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 3: a pre taped edition Of catch twenty, Two so we

2557
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 3: won't be, live but we do have something come for you.

2558
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 3: Guys you guys asked us a bunch of male bag

2559
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 3: questions On. Twitter i'm gonna get to as many of

2560
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 3: those AS i possibly can here With, alex and we're

2561
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:24,160
Speaker 3: gonna post that At wednesday On wednesday at noon on the,

2562
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 3: ninth just like we would have a. Show, instead we're

2563
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Speaker 3: gonna have this pre tape podcast and we're going to

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01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 3: cross our fingers that there's no breaking news that completely

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Speaker 3: wipes out the whole. Show but With july fourth weekend coming,

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Speaker 3: UP i feel pretty good there.

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Speaker 4: IS i Think i'll just come back and we'll get

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Speaker 4: like do so in here Get.

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Speaker 3: Deuce can cover because IF i try to do a

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Speaker 3: show the day before my, WEDDING i Think jess will

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Speaker 3: literally kill. Me So i'm not gonna try to Do.

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Speaker 3: Disappointed but you would have to be monumental breaking. News

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Speaker 3: we'd have to be massive breaking. News so we'll have

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Speaker 3: that for you guys next, week and THEN i will

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Speaker 3: be back in two weeks in. Studio so show next

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Speaker 3: week pre. Taped no show of the week of the,

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Speaker 3: sixteenth but in the following week training camps.

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Speaker 2: Camp, yeah it is training.

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Speaker 3: Camp so we'll be back for you guys in a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, live but we'll have a show for

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Speaker 3: you guys next week as, well so hopefully that's not too.

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Speaker 3: Confusing but you'll hear from us next week and then

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Speaker 3: we'll see you guys live here in a few.

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Speaker 2: Weeks thanks so much for.

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Speaker 3: Listening Alex, Bart alex behind The, Glass Evan, lazarre see

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Speaker 3: you guys in a few.

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Speaker 4: Weeks, Bye, hey this Is.

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Speaker 2: Deuce thanks for tuning into the.

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Speaker 4: Show if you really want to help, us make sure

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Speaker 4: you like us wherever you get your, podcasts Like Apple

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Speaker 4: podcasts Or. Spotify also make sure you follow us on

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Speaker 4: The New England patriots YouTube channel to see this show

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Speaker 4: and everything else that we do here at The. Patriots

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Speaker 4: thanks a, lot