WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Moving Forward and Evolving with Stephen L. Miller 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.040 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.000 On Monday's monologue, I asked for your resolutions and whether 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.840 you're keeping to them. I got some really good responses, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.240 and yes, most people have fallen off the bandwagon of 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:21.280 what they had hoped. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:22.080 To do in January. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.640 A lot of you are restarting your exercise regiments or 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:30.120 eating healthier. You're trying again, and that's amazing. One response 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.400 was funny. A listener wrote, this year, I combined my 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.000 resolutions for my own form of penance. I vowed to 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.080 stop taking the Lord's name in vain each time I 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.559 caught myself with than oh my god, I had to 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.040 do thirty minutes on the peloton, which I detest. It worked, 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.280 and you know, I do wonder if something similar would 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.720 work for me. In the few days since I declared 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.120 I would do more fiction reading, I committed to one 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.600 fiction book a month. It's not even that much, but 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.800 I've read a total of two page It's a slow start, friends, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.280 But now I'm wondering if there should be more. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.920 Not punishment exactly, but if I should. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.800 Make myself risk something if I don't succeed at my goal. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.080 I think some people really do respond to negative repercussions 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.840 more than they do to the positive reward, and I 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.160 think I might be one of those people. Like I've 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.160 never stolen anything in my entire life because I was 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.479 terrified of being caught. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:27.520 I would love to tell. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.720 You that I'm just morally amazing and I'd always thought 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.480 it was a bad thing to do. But no, even 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.920 when I was a child that wouldn't take anything, just 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.440 the fear of being caught made me paralyzed and unable 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.600 to do anything bad. And I you know that works 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.800 for me. So now I just have to figure out 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.560 what the punishment would be and I'll take your suggestions. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.200 Carol Marcowitz Show at gmail dot com. Also send me 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.040 how you're bettering your life this week. I really love 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.840 reading all your notes and emails and dms, so please 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.400 keep in touch and I love hearing what you're up to. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.520 Coming up up next and interview with Stephen Miller. Join 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:08.560 us after the break. Hi, and welcome back to the 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.360 Carol Markuit Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Stephen Miller. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.240 Stephen does the Versus Media podcast on Substack. He is 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.320 contributing editor at the Spectator and has written. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.239 For many places including NRO. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.359 Fox News, and The New York Post. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:25.880 Ty Stephen, Hi. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.680 Carol, you have to put in the middle initial because 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.440 that's important. So well google this stuff. They think you're 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:32.520 interviewing on NAZI. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:33.040 See. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.800 The first thing I was going to ask you is 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.520 are you the Stephen Miller? 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.000 No, not anymore. But I was for a bit. I 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.440 was for a bit, and then Trump won and then 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.840 Trump lost, and now I'm back to kind of being 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.639 that because he's, you know, until he becomes Attorney general. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:49.440 I think I'm okay. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.840 You know, I was the top search result for Carol 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.320 with a K, and then Pope John Paul, whose birth 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.720 name was Carol with a K, died and that was it. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.280 He messed out all of my search results because everybody 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.360 was using his real name. And there's a pop star 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.160 from Latin America named Carol K. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.120 So we all have our problems, you know. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.480 Yeah. I have guys on my hockey team starting to search. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.440 They're like, you know, somebody said, like the search of it, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.639 I couldn't find you. I'm like, oh, I'm very searchable. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.880 You just got one letter, So what is your mid 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.040 So yeah, but that's your middle in Itchell, I don't 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:25.440 even know it. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.440 El Stephen L. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.000 Meller will include that in the you know, in the 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.000 in the the bis No, you know. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.640 People going to be like Carol Marcus is interviewing an insurrectionist. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.480 Well, I mean, I'm sure I've had an insurrection too 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:42.960 on here. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.440 Probably, I mean, you know, depending on circumstances, I could be. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.640 I mean, I'm just not one. After twenty twe right, right, So. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.840 We knew each other in New York and neither one 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.960 of us live in New York anymore. That's a big 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.640 topic of conversation on this show, people moving from places 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.360 that they lived. How was leaving New York for you? 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.160 You just like bye? 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:11.200 I miss three big things. I miss my hairstylist, my 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.040 hair dialist. I missed my dentist. Well, she's a barber, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.360 like just tattooed to the you know whatever, and she was. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.320 She's actually a sponsored marathon on her for Nike, and 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.000 it took me forever to find one. So I missed 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.240 my hairstylist. I missed my dentist. Believe it or not, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.560 my dentist was featured in Vogue and I was one 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.720 of her very first customers in Brooklyn. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.080 Why are you so fancy? 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.880 It was No, she's not that it's weird. She's just 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.760 cool and hip. And so she was right down the 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.120 block and she started this little dental practice and then 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.479 all of a sudden she's in like a vogue spread 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.680 for like dental and Brooklyn or some weird thing. Okay, 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.760 And I still I still talk to her occasionally, just 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.600 for you know stuff. And I miss restaurants. Yeah, And 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.520 you know, I think about the lifestyle. Obviously. The neighborhoods 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.560 like Brooklyn were just so cool back then, and they 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.800 change and they become different and stuff. So there was 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.200 it was still when I got there, it was still 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:09.039 kind of sketchy sort of but getting cooler, you know, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.800 like whatever. And when I left, you know, my place 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.839 was staring at the construction of a Trader Joe's and so. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.479 And this is bad, and somehow I don't think it's bad. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.279 I am one of these people where I prefer local places. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.000 I prefer local businesses. But it's not like I'm going 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.080 to protest the Trader Joe's. I'm not going to throw 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.159 red paint on the wind, right, But those are the 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.080 three things I missed the most, and when I really 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.960 think back, I don't miss much more. I moved there 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.680 in twenty ten, and things were different. The internet was different, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.640 how we connected was different. So I can kind of 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.120 like go anywhere in the country now, and I can 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.120 still order from stores that I like than in New 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.000 York City to like close me. So those are those 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.680 are probably the top three things that I actually really 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.320 find myself missing. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.920 It's funny because growing up in Brooklyn, when a chain 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.640 would come to your neighborhood, that meant that things were 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:08.400 turning around. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.279 That meant that things were getting better. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.039 Like I remember they kicked the wart out. Well, yes, no, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.080 you're not coming to Queen's. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.440 No, we've never had I don't think they've ever allowed 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.159 Walmart in New York City, which is ridiculous. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.000 But I remember a friend of mine who. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.880 Lived in East Flatbush was very excited and McDonald was 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.599 opening because there had never been a chain anything near 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:30.400 where she lived. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:31.800 So it was a it. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.200 Was seen as a positive stephen, and you know, people wanted. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:36.480 It to have it. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.920 Yeah, it was. It was weird when I left Brooklyn 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.760 and I got a little bit more domesticated, still in 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.240 a kind of suburban urban area, and I saw Chilies, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.400 and I was like, I realized, I haven't seen at 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.680 chilies in like ten Like I didn't go to Target, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.840 you know. So it was like its kind of a 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.599 weird different thing. It was like getting used to it. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.120 It's not like I had some dying neque to go 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.560 to Chili's, but I didn't. I went back to Chili's 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.400 just because I'm like, I'm going to go to Chili's 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.400 like whatever, any maybe back ribs and so yeah, it 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.280 was a little bit of an adjustment. But I was 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.240 never one of those kind of like snobs where it's 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.080 like I'm in Willis there and me, you don't get 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.400 a Walmart? I do, of course. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:20.880 Yeah. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.800 Yeah, it was never like a snob, but there was 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.280 I remember the Whole Foods open on the corner of 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.880 Bedford in Williamsburg, and that was a huge thing to do. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.040 And you go down later the Whole Foods thing, and 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.600 that was kind of a sign there and it's like, oh, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.560 this is all changing, like completely, so totally. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:40.960 Yeah. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.360 I mean Williamsburg more than any other place, I feel like, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.640 just blew up so fast and yeah, so drastically. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:51.480 So what what year. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:56.920 Did you leave COVID No? I just barely before COVID. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.880 I just my circumstances changed, so I moved out of Brooklyn, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.320 and of course some pandemic happens, and I look back 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.960 on that, I would to say, like, I what would 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.000 it I look back and I say, what could it 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.280 have been like to have been there? Durrection? And oh no, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.920 yeah I don't. I'm not sitting here thinking fondly in 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.920 my diary. But it is one of those things when 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.560 you know, you hear about people banging the pots and 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.760 pans out of their buildings and stuff like that and 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.160 some of those kind of trimunal experiences. You know, I thought, yeah, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.679 I do think about that sometimes, but yeah, I got 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.720 out of Dodge just really I think it was September 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.040 of October rate before COVID happened. So part of me 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.840 was like, you know, no, I would not have wanted 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.960 to experience that, but it would have been one of 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.240 those things looking back where it's like, oh, yeah, I 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.760 guess I was in New York during that, right, And 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.760 I know you're and I know you are a casualty 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.680 of that. And I followed that about you know, just 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.520 having the city that you love so much, but yeah, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.320 it's not like a fond thing. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.240 How I get it. It's a big part of the experience. Yeah, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.160 I completely understand. I have friends who were not in 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.000 New York on nine to eleven, but they were New 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:10.040 Yorkers and they were. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.560 Like, I missed it, Like I missed. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.840 They're not like, oh I missed a terrorist town. They 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.520 missed the carderie and all of the you know, Yeah, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.680 I totally get it. Also, people who didn't feel the 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.640 earthquake a few weeks ago and they. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.360 Just weekend away, they feel left out. Yeah. No, So 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.560 I went to an earthquake in New York and it 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.160 was the one that I don't know if you remember this. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:31.839 I've never ever felt in it. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.280 So, yeah, it's only hit. It hit Washington and it 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.240 knocked the bricks out of the Washington Monument, and that's 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.360 what I think. This was twenty twenty thirteen. And I've 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.840 lived on the West Coast. I've lived in Los Angeles. 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.720 I've never had a hurricane. There are a great I've 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.960 lived on the Upper West Coast and no real weather 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.559 events there. And I moved to New York and I 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.760 experienced two hurricanes in the earth and there, so I 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.760 do remember the earthquake from I was twenty twelve or 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.719 twenty thirteen, and a marble counter in my loud is 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.480 singing at my lounge and I just feel like I'm 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.920 having a stroke, Like what is that? 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:08.360 Like? 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.360 What is going on here? Is? And the first thing 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.160 is when things feel weird, it's like, oh, it's terrorist. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.160 Attack the right, Oh totally yeah. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.880 And so I do remember the forty five second earthquake 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.400 from like twenty and that's the one they hit the 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.480 East coast and they had to shut down the Washington 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.200 Monument because wow, ricks out or whatever. But yeah, so 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.360 when people were talking about this earthquake, I was kind 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.439 of like, eh, I've done it. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.600 Whatever. I have never felt an earthquake. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.480 I would be the New York earthquake before it was cool, so. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.920 Very very Brooklyn in view. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.160 Yeah, you play hockey, ice hockey, right? Yeah? 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:44.720 Is there another kind of hockey? 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.959 Oh? I mean not really. I mean people try to 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.839 play roller and people try to I mean, I don't 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.959 know there's like professional field. I know that there is 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.800 a like for high school kids, there's field hockey. But yeah, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.000 I grew up playing it in about five years ago. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.400 I'd get in New York City I just kind of 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:02.880 was like, I need to be more active, I need 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.400 to start, you know. I was kind of missing it 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.280 and I was, you know, starting to to that age 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.200 where it's I don't pick this back up, then I'm 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.240 never gonna do it. So I just kind of took 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.960 the money, went to there was a there's a hockey 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.640 store just in lower like mid midtown lower Manette and 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.240 you just go up an elevator and then it opens 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.400 up and there's a hockey store. And I had played 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.200 in god since I was a teenager, so I was 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.000 just told the guy, I was like, I need gear, 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.960 so like suit me up and whatever, and uh I 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.400 was twenty eighteen, I think. And so yeah, like six 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.920 years later, I capped in my own team, which I 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.720 didn't want to do, and so we branded it and 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.200 I'd made one of my French bulldogs the mascot of it. 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.320 Just wow, I can do that, and yeah, it's it's 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.920 it's going well. I played kind of a prison league. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.960 So there's a few weeks around and one of the 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.839 rieks has like a bar restaurant upstairs where you can 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.280 watch games. And mine doesn't know that we're playing an 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:01.200 old airplane hangar I'm sorry because you're playing with no, no, no, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.680 it's just our rink is known for being like the 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.200 kind of the prison rink is because. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:06.800 Just no fly. 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.040 Yeah, it's just ice. It's ice, and it's run by 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:10.960 Russian on it. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.720 Oh oh yeah, they don't have alcohol, kind of Russians 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:14.800 don't have Oh. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.560 You have to bring yours? 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.800 Well, yes you can kind of sucker buys their own 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.280 alcohol out. You got to bring theirs obviously. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.760 Yeah, you don't do that. You don't bring like a 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:24.480 bottle of vodka. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.760 No, no, I don't, I don't. I don't know. It's 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.600 my team is funny Because've done on teams where they 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.040 are just a bunch of fat drunks and that I've 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.160 been on teams where they're not Like my current team 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.640 now doesn't really even have beers a locker room anymore, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.680 including me. So I stopped I kind of stopped doing that. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.240 And uh yeah, my team's a bunch of squares right now, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:45.080 but we aren't winning. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.360 Sounds it sounds like you're a bunch of old men. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.360 Actually, yeah, not so much. I have I have, I have, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.840 I'm the second oldest on the team. I have a 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.400 couple of guys in their forties, and then I have 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.400 a couple of guys that are in their twenties, so it's 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.480 all kind of mixed. But I I have a few 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:01.840 more years of that and then I'm going to have 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.360 to probably go to an old family. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:05.400 I love it. Are you good? 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.800 I think I'm good. I'm probably the third best skater 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.040 on the team, and it's competitively, so there are guys 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.120 who are faster than me because they're younger than me. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.719 I'm great backwards. I have a good head. I'm at 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.480 that point now where older athletes, which I'm not an athlete, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.000 where it's like, if I had my brain now in 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:26.840 the body that I had ten years ago, i would 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.160 have been an All Star. And that's kind of where 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.559 I Yeah, I'm a very smarter player, but I'm also 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.160 just getting up an a so I know when I'm 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.839 losing a step. I saw a personal trainer for a 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.280 year which kind of just got me into better shape 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.160 and just kind of kicked the crap out of me. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.959 And then part of the reason I did that was 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.560 to kind of keep doing some sports, and so yeah, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.120 I had I haven't like better shape than I was 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.520 when I started. I don't feel like throwing up after 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:53.040 every ship. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.440 See, I would say you should try vodka, but whatever 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:57.719 up to. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.360 You really just not skating. So I mean that's the thing. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.560 You guys that will do that, they'll load up before again. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.559 Now I'm just like, I just I don't know how 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:07.480 you do that anymore. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.559 Yeah, so you seem happy. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.120 You seem I don't know, not that you weren't happy 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:13.720 when I knew you in New York, but you maybe 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.200 even seem happier now, Like do you feel like you've 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:16.560 made it? 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.280 Oh God, I don't even know what happy is. I 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:23.760 don't have any may like happy. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:24.480 I'm not happy. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.600 I don't have any major catastrophes at the moment. So 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.920 it's like it's like I haven't I'm not I haven't 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:35.800 been hit by a car recently. So gosh, maybe as 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.680 far as I don't know, like professionally, especially. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.760 Every way you want to look at it, Yeah. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:45.720 I mean professionally, especially with what we do with things 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.160 have things change so rapidly, and you know, a lot 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.120 of us swipt from like you said, we're writing from 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.080 your post and I still do once in a while, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.600 or Nashville or Fox whatever. A lot of us have 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.400 now just kind of branched out into our own things 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.560 because of the technology is there, and that's kind of 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.160 where media is. So I never believe in kind of 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.560 thinking like you make it because this could all go 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.720 away tomorrow, So like you have to be prepared to 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.600 go be a ditch digger if that comes at you. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.400 And so, and I also think you have to be 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.480 a little hungry in what we do. I think that 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.760 especially older pundits, older generations, older people who are kind 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.360 of in the media commentariat are just kind of at 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.320 this point going through the motions because I don't know 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.120 if they know if there's any use for them either 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:37.160 hate Trump or you know, they the media landscapes at 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.080 a place to where they just don't feel useful. So 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.120 you can tell it's not in it anymore, see when 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.600 they're just kind of trying to cash the paycheck. And 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.280 so I think if it ever gets to that point, yeah, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.840 I mean to say, if you've made it, I don't 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.960 need to go out and do like Craiglist hits or 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.480 anything like that to get by. So I'm doing I'm 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:57.680 doing enough to keep my life. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.880 What what are preglans not that I. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.920 Can't tell you. So I'm doing enough to keep my 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.960 lights on, which is if for for what this is, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.840 you know, basically, I'm paid for my opinion, which is 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.480 the only thing I'm good at. So to be able 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.960 to do that is I don't know if it's to 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.200 say like you've made it, but I'm doing enough to 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.720 where again I don't I don't need to go, h 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.760 do any kind of sort of menial labor that I 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.720 don't want to do. It's not a thing. I'm media labor, right, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:26.240 I got it. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:27.080 Yeah, but. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.320 I don't know as far as being able to make it. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.400 I'm doing and I'm doing enough, you know, to where 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.720 I can do a podcast at you know, at one 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.560 o'clock in the afternoon as opposed to having to turn 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.440 on a TPS report. Right. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.560 I like that you put that in East Coast time 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.800 because I know, you know that's the real time. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.440 So yeah, of course it is. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.200 So what would you be doing if you weren't doing this? 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.240 What would be like a. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:53.240 Plan B for you? 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.880 Oh God, I don't really believe. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.280 In just because like, okay, not forget while plan B? 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.280 Actually what what what's the dream career that you didn't follow? 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.360 I mean, my jokey one. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:06.920 Is I always say like I would be a DJ, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.399 Like I feel like I am very good at playing 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:14.160 music in a certain you know way, or in songs 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.640 in the right order. Really, so I think that would 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.040 be my plan. B I don't know that I would 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.359 actually do that, if that, you know, if things. 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.200 Yeah, I mean, I mean, I've been doing some form 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.240 of writing since I was in high school, screenwriting or 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.560 doing anything, poemwriting, doing songwriting, whatever. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.480 So I think I have the kind of just a 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.560 natural fit for where the path has taken me and 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.639 spen you know, I can. I kind of came of 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.600 age a little bit sort of in my twenties through 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.000 the Internet age to read it, you know, read it 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.600 when read it, blue up and read threads and four 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.920 Chan before it was kind of a Nazi cesspool. There 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.119 was a time when four Chan was fun. Believe me 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.680 when I say that some of it still is through 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.439 message boards and things like that. So he kind of 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.200 learned to hone a little bit of you know, what's 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.879 engaging about some of those things and what's not. And 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.000 so I think the just kind of whatever trajectory your 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.840 path I was on was always just going to kind 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.680 of develop in some kind of way. So no, I'm 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.280 not an Oscar winning screenwriter, but that's fine. I tried 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.439 that and I couldn't do it. I couldn't be in 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:18.000 the industry. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.920 So your plan B would just be be a writer. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.760 Is that what you don't clearly gotten here? You know, 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.200 I probably retire to a prepper ranch in Wyoming. That 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.040