1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: On Monday's monologue, I asked for your resolutions and whether 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: you're keeping to them. I got some really good responses, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: and yes, most people have fallen off the bandwagon of 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: what they had hoped. 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: To do in January. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: A lot of you are restarting your exercise regiments or 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: eating healthier. You're trying again, and that's amazing. One response 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: was funny. A listener wrote, this year, I combined my 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: resolutions for my own form of penance. I vowed to 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: stop taking the Lord's name in vain each time I 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: caught myself with than oh my god, I had to 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: do thirty minutes on the peloton, which I detest. It worked, 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I do wonder if something similar would 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: work for me. In the few days since I declared 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: I would do more fiction reading, I committed to one 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: fiction book a month. It's not even that much, but 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I've read a total of two page It's a slow start, friends, 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: But now I'm wondering if there should be more. 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: Not punishment exactly, but if I should. 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Make myself risk something if I don't succeed at my goal. 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: I think some people really do respond to negative repercussions 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: more than they do to the positive reward, and I 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: think I might be one of those people. Like I've 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: never stolen anything in my entire life because I was 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: terrified of being caught. 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: I would love to tell. 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: You that I'm just morally amazing and I'd always thought 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: it was a bad thing to do. But no, even 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: when I was a child that wouldn't take anything, just 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: the fear of being caught made me paralyzed and unable 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: to do anything bad. And I you know that works 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: for me. So now I just have to figure out 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: what the punishment would be and I'll take your suggestions. 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Carol Marcowitz Show at gmail dot com. Also send me 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: how you're bettering your life this week. I really love 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: reading all your notes and emails and dms, so please 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: keep in touch and I love hearing what you're up to. 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Coming up up next and interview with Stephen Miller. Join 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: us after the break. Hi, and welcome back to the 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Carol Markuit Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Stephen Miller. 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Stephen does the Versus Media podcast on Substack. He is 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: contributing editor at the Spectator and has written. 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: For many places including NRO. 45 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: Fox News, and The New York Post. 46 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: Ty Stephen, Hi. 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: Carol, you have to put in the middle initial because 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: that's important. So well google this stuff. They think you're 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: interviewing on NAZI. 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: See. 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: The first thing I was going to ask you is 52 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: are you the Stephen Miller? 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: No, not anymore. But I was for a bit. I 54 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: was for a bit, and then Trump won and then 55 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: Trump lost, and now I'm back to kind of being 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: that because he's, you know, until he becomes Attorney general. 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: I think I'm okay. 58 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, I was the top search result for Carol 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: with a K, and then Pope John Paul, whose birth 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: name was Carol with a K, died and that was it. 61 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: He messed out all of my search results because everybody 62 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: was using his real name. And there's a pop star 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: from Latin America named Carol K. 64 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: So we all have our problems, you know. 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. I have guys on my hockey team starting to search. 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: They're like, you know, somebody said, like the search of it, 67 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: I couldn't find you. I'm like, oh, I'm very searchable. 68 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: You just got one letter, So what is your mid 69 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, but that's your middle in Itchell, I don't 70 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: even know it. 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: El Stephen L. 72 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: Meller will include that in the you know, in the 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: in the the bis No, you know. 74 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: People going to be like Carol Marcus is interviewing an insurrectionist. 75 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm sure I've had an insurrection too 76 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: on here. 77 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: Probably, I mean, you know, depending on circumstances, I could be. 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just not one. After twenty twe right, right, So. 79 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: We knew each other in New York and neither one 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: of us live in New York anymore. That's a big 81 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: topic of conversation on this show, people moving from places 82 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: that they lived. How was leaving New York for you? 83 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: You just like bye? 84 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: I miss three big things. I miss my hairstylist, my 85 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: hair dialist. I missed my dentist. Well, she's a barber, 86 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: like just tattooed to the you know whatever, and she was. 87 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: She's actually a sponsored marathon on her for Nike, and 88 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: it took me forever to find one. So I missed 89 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: my hairstylist. I missed my dentist. Believe it or not, 90 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: my dentist was featured in Vogue and I was one 91 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: of her very first customers in Brooklyn. 92 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: Why are you so fancy? 93 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: It was No, she's not that it's weird. She's just 94 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: cool and hip. And so she was right down the 95 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: block and she started this little dental practice and then 96 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: all of a sudden she's in like a vogue spread 97 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: for like dental and Brooklyn or some weird thing. Okay, 98 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: And I still I still talk to her occasionally, just 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: for you know stuff. And I miss restaurants. Yeah, And 100 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: you know, I think about the lifestyle. Obviously. The neighborhoods 101 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: like Brooklyn were just so cool back then, and they 102 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: change and they become different and stuff. So there was 103 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: it was still when I got there, it was still 104 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: kind of sketchy sort of but getting cooler, you know, 105 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: like whatever. And when I left, you know, my place 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: was staring at the construction of a Trader Joe's and so. 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: And this is bad, and somehow I don't think it's bad. 108 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: I am one of these people where I prefer local places. 109 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: I prefer local businesses. But it's not like I'm going 110 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: to protest the Trader Joe's. I'm not going to throw 111 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: red paint on the wind, right, But those are the 112 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: three things I missed the most, and when I really 113 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: think back, I don't miss much more. I moved there 114 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: in twenty ten, and things were different. The internet was different, 115 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: how we connected was different. So I can kind of 116 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: like go anywhere in the country now, and I can 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: still order from stores that I like than in New 118 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: York City to like close me. So those are those 119 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: are probably the top three things that I actually really 120 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: find myself missing. 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: It's funny because growing up in Brooklyn, when a chain 122 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: would come to your neighborhood, that meant that things were 123 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: turning around. 124 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: That meant that things were getting better. 125 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 3: Like I remember they kicked the wart out. Well, yes, no, 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: you're not coming to Queen's. 127 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: No, we've never had I don't think they've ever allowed 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: Walmart in New York City, which is ridiculous. 129 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: But I remember a friend of mine who. 130 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: Lived in East Flatbush was very excited and McDonald was 131 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: opening because there had never been a chain anything near 132 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: where she lived. 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: So it was a it. 134 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: Was seen as a positive stephen, and you know, people wanted. 135 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: It to have it. 136 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was weird when I left Brooklyn 137 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: and I got a little bit more domesticated, still in 138 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: a kind of suburban urban area, and I saw Chilies, 139 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: and I was like, I realized, I haven't seen at 140 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: chilies in like ten Like I didn't go to Target, 141 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 3: you know. So it was like its kind of a 142 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: weird different thing. It was like getting used to it. 143 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: It's not like I had some dying neque to go 144 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: to Chili's, but I didn't. I went back to Chili's 145 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: just because I'm like, I'm going to go to Chili's 146 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: like whatever, any maybe back ribs and so yeah, it 147 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: was a little bit of an adjustment. But I was 148 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: never one of those kind of like snobs where it's 149 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: like I'm in Willis there and me, you don't get 150 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: a Walmart? I do, of course. 151 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 152 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was never like a snob, but there was 153 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: I remember the Whole Foods open on the corner of 154 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: Bedford in Williamsburg, and that was a huge thing to do. 155 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: And you go down later the Whole Foods thing, and 156 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: that was kind of a sign there and it's like, oh, 157 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: this is all changing, like completely, so totally. 158 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 159 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean Williamsburg more than any other place, I feel like, 160 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: just blew up so fast and yeah, so drastically. 161 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: So what what year. 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: Did you leave COVID No? I just barely before COVID. 163 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: I just my circumstances changed, so I moved out of Brooklyn, 164 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: and of course some pandemic happens, and I look back 165 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: on that, I would to say, like, I what would 166 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: it I look back and I say, what could it 167 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: have been like to have been there? Durrection? And oh no, 168 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: yeah I don't. I'm not sitting here thinking fondly in 169 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: my diary. But it is one of those things when 170 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: you know, you hear about people banging the pots and 171 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: pans out of their buildings and stuff like that and 172 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: some of those kind of trimunal experiences. You know, I thought, yeah, 173 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: I do think about that sometimes, but yeah, I got 174 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: out of Dodge just really I think it was September 175 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: of October rate before COVID happened. So part of me 176 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: was like, you know, no, I would not have wanted 177 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: to experience that, but it would have been one of 178 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: those things looking back where it's like, oh, yeah, I 179 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: guess I was in New York during that, right, And 180 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: I know you're and I know you are a casualty 181 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: of that. And I followed that about you know, just 182 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: having the city that you love so much, but yeah, 183 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: it's not like a fond thing. 184 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: How I get it. It's a big part of the experience. Yeah, 185 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: I completely understand. I have friends who were not in 186 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: New York on nine to eleven, but they were New 187 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Yorkers and they were. 188 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: Like, I missed it, Like I missed. 189 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: They're not like, oh I missed a terrorist town. They 190 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: missed the carderie and all of the you know, Yeah, 191 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: I totally get it. Also, people who didn't feel the 192 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: earthquake a few weeks ago and they. 193 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: Just weekend away, they feel left out. Yeah. No, So 194 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: I went to an earthquake in New York and it 195 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: was the one that I don't know if you remember this. 196 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: I've never ever felt in it. 197 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's only hit. It hit Washington and it 198 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: knocked the bricks out of the Washington Monument, and that's 199 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: what I think. This was twenty twenty thirteen. And I've 200 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: lived on the West Coast. I've lived in Los Angeles. 201 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: I've never had a hurricane. There are a great I've 202 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: lived on the Upper West Coast and no real weather 203 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: events there. And I moved to New York and I 204 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: experienced two hurricanes in the earth and there, so I 205 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: do remember the earthquake from I was twenty twelve or 206 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, and a marble counter in my loud is 207 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: singing at my lounge and I just feel like I'm 208 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: having a stroke, Like what is that? 209 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: Like? 210 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: What is going on here? Is? And the first thing 211 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: is when things feel weird, it's like, oh, it's terrorist. 212 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: Attack the right, Oh totally yeah. 213 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: And so I do remember the forty five second earthquake 214 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: from like twenty and that's the one they hit the 215 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: East coast and they had to shut down the Washington 216 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: Monument because wow, ricks out or whatever. But yeah, so 217 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: when people were talking about this earthquake, I was kind 218 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 3: of like, eh, I've done it. 219 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: Whatever. I have never felt an earthquake. 220 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: I would be the New York earthquake before it was cool, so. 221 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: Very very Brooklyn in view. 222 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you play hockey, ice hockey, right? Yeah? 223 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: Is there another kind of hockey? 224 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 3: Oh? I mean not really. I mean people try to 225 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: play roller and people try to I mean, I don't 226 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: know there's like professional field. I know that there is 227 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: a like for high school kids, there's field hockey. But yeah, 228 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: I grew up playing it in about five years ago. 229 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: I'd get in New York City I just kind of 230 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: was like, I need to be more active, I need 231 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: to start, you know. I was kind of missing it 232 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: and I was, you know, starting to to that age 233 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: where it's I don't pick this back up, then I'm 234 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: never gonna do it. So I just kind of took 235 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 3: the money, went to there was a there's a hockey 236 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: store just in lower like mid midtown lower Manette and 237 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: you just go up an elevator and then it opens 238 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: up and there's a hockey store. And I had played 239 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 3: in god since I was a teenager, so I was 240 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: just told the guy, I was like, I need gear, 241 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: so like suit me up and whatever, and uh I 242 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: was twenty eighteen, I think. And so yeah, like six 243 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: years later, I capped in my own team, which I 244 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: didn't want to do, and so we branded it and 245 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: I'd made one of my French bulldogs the mascot of it. 246 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: Just wow, I can do that, and yeah, it's it's 247 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: it's going well. I played kind of a prison league. 248 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: So there's a few weeks around and one of the 249 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 3: rieks has like a bar restaurant upstairs where you can 250 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: watch games. And mine doesn't know that we're playing an 251 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: old airplane hangar I'm sorry because you're playing with no, no, no, 252 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: it's just our rink is known for being like the 253 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: kind of the prison rink is because. 254 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: Just no fly. 255 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just ice. It's ice, and it's run by 256 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: Russian on it. 257 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, they don't have alcohol, kind of Russians 258 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: don't have Oh. 259 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: You have to bring yours? 260 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: Well, yes you can kind of sucker buys their own 261 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: alcohol out. You got to bring theirs obviously. 262 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't do that. You don't bring like a 263 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: bottle of vodka. 264 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: No, no, I don't, I don't. I don't know. It's 265 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: my team is funny Because've done on teams where they 266 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: are just a bunch of fat drunks and that I've 267 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: been on teams where they're not Like my current team 268 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: now doesn't really even have beers a locker room anymore, 269 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: including me. So I stopped I kind of stopped doing that. 270 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: And uh yeah, my team's a bunch of squares right now, 271 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: but we aren't winning. 272 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Sounds it sounds like you're a bunch of old men. 273 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, not so much. I have I have, I have, 274 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: I'm the second oldest on the team. I have a 275 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: couple of guys in their forties, and then I have 276 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: a couple of guys that are in their twenties, so it's 277 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: all kind of mixed. But I I have a few 278 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: more years of that and then I'm going to have 279 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: to probably go to an old family. 280 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: I love it. Are you good? 281 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: I think I'm good. I'm probably the third best skater 282 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: on the team, and it's competitively, so there are guys 283 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: who are faster than me because they're younger than me. 284 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 3: I'm great backwards. I have a good head. I'm at 285 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: that point now where older athletes, which I'm not an athlete, 286 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: where it's like, if I had my brain now in 287 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: the body that I had ten years ago, i would 288 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: have been an All Star. And that's kind of where 289 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: I Yeah, I'm a very smarter player, but I'm also 290 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: just getting up an a so I know when I'm 291 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 3: losing a step. I saw a personal trainer for a 292 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: year which kind of just got me into better shape 293 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: and just kind of kicked the crap out of me. 294 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: And then part of the reason I did that was 295 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: to kind of keep doing some sports, and so yeah, 296 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: I had I haven't like better shape than I was 297 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: when I started. I don't feel like throwing up after 298 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: every ship. 299 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: See, I would say you should try vodka, but whatever 300 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: up to. 301 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: You really just not skating. So I mean that's the thing. 302 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: You guys that will do that, they'll load up before again. 303 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 3: Now I'm just like, I just I don't know how 304 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: you do that anymore. 305 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you seem happy. 306 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: You seem I don't know, not that you weren't happy 307 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: when I knew you in New York, but you maybe 308 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: even seem happier now, Like do you feel like you've 309 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: made it? 310 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: Oh God, I don't even know what happy is. I 311 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: don't have any may like happy. 312 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm not happy. 313 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: I don't have any major catastrophes at the moment. So 314 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: it's like it's like I haven't I'm not I haven't 315 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: been hit by a car recently. So gosh, maybe as 316 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: far as I don't know, like professionally, especially. 317 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: Every way you want to look at it, Yeah. 318 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: I mean professionally, especially with what we do with things 319 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: have things change so rapidly, and you know, a lot 320 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: of us swipt from like you said, we're writing from 321 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: your post and I still do once in a while, 322 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: or Nashville or Fox whatever. A lot of us have 323 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: now just kind of branched out into our own things 324 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: because of the technology is there, and that's kind of 325 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: where media is. So I never believe in kind of 326 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: thinking like you make it because this could all go 327 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: away tomorrow, So like you have to be prepared to 328 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: go be a ditch digger if that comes at you. 329 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: And so, and I also think you have to be 330 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: a little hungry in what we do. I think that 331 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: especially older pundits, older generations, older people who are kind 332 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: of in the media commentariat are just kind of at 333 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: this point going through the motions because I don't know 334 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: if they know if there's any use for them either 335 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: hate Trump or you know, they the media landscapes at 336 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: a place to where they just don't feel useful. So 337 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: you can tell it's not in it anymore, see when 338 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: they're just kind of trying to cash the paycheck. And 339 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: so I think if it ever gets to that point, yeah, 340 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: I mean to say, if you've made it, I don't 341 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: need to go out and do like Craiglist hits or 342 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: anything like that to get by. So I'm doing I'm 343 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: doing enough to keep my life. 344 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: What what are preglans not that I. 345 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 3: Can't tell you. So I'm doing enough to keep my 346 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: lights on, which is if for for what this is, 347 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: you know, basically, I'm paid for my opinion, which is 348 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: the only thing I'm good at. So to be able 349 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: to do that is I don't know if it's to 350 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: say like you've made it, but I'm doing enough to 351 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: where again I don't I don't need to go, h 352 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: do any kind of sort of menial labor that I 353 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: don't want to do. It's not a thing. I'm media labor, right, 354 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: I got it. 355 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but. 356 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: I don't know as far as being able to make it. 357 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: I'm doing and I'm doing enough, you know, to where 358 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: I can do a podcast at you know, at one 359 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: o'clock in the afternoon as opposed to having to turn 360 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: on a TPS report. Right. 361 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: I like that you put that in East Coast time 362 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: because I know, you know that's the real time. 363 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, of course it is. 364 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: So what would you be doing if you weren't doing this? 365 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: What would be like a. 366 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: Plan B for you? 367 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: Oh God, I don't really believe. 368 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: In just because like, okay, not forget while plan B? 369 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: Actually what what what's the dream career that you didn't follow? 370 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 2: I mean, my jokey one. 371 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: Is I always say like I would be a DJ, 372 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: Like I feel like I am very good at playing 373 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: music in a certain you know way, or in songs 374 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: in the right order. Really, so I think that would 375 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: be my plan. B I don't know that I would 376 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: actually do that, if that, you know, if things. 377 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I've been doing some form 378 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 4: of writing since I was in high school, screenwriting or 379 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: doing anything, poemwriting, doing songwriting, whatever. 380 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: So I think I have the kind of just a 381 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: natural fit for where the path has taken me and 382 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: spen you know, I can. I kind of came of 383 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: age a little bit sort of in my twenties through 384 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: the Internet age to read it, you know, read it 385 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: when read it, blue up and read threads and four 386 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: Chan before it was kind of a Nazi cesspool. There 387 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 3: was a time when four Chan was fun. Believe me 388 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: when I say that some of it still is through 389 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: message boards and things like that. So he kind of 390 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 3: learned to hone a little bit of you know, what's 391 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: engaging about some of those things and what's not. And 392 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: so I think the just kind of whatever trajectory your 393 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: path I was on was always just going to kind 394 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 3: of develop in some kind of way. So no, I'm 395 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: not an Oscar winning screenwriter, but that's fine. I tried 396 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 3: that and I couldn't do it. I couldn't be in 397 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: the industry. 398 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: So your plan B would just be be a writer. 399 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: Is that what you don't clearly gotten here? You know, 400 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: I probably retire to a prepper ranch in Wyoming. That 401 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: would probably plan B, which we'll see given the you 402 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: don't know, there might be a lot of people buying 403 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: up land and doing that here in about the next 404 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 3: seven months. 405 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: That sounds like plan A. 406 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: Actually, oh yeah, right, So no, I've never really kind 407 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: of believed in plant be so I think it's just 408 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 3: to focus on the plan that you're on, and you know, 409 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: this is what I'm doing. I'm clearly maybe whether it's 410 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: me or whether it's somebody else, whether it's you, whatever 411 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: it is, somebody in their career. Generally, I think most 412 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 3: people believe they're doing what they're supposed to be doing, 413 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: even if it's hard, even if it's not exactly you know, 414 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: what they thought they would turn out to be or 415 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: anything like that. But that's just talking to people in 416 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: different professions where they are, you know, I just I 417 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: kind of don't look at it and go gun I 418 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: could I could be doing X y Z. You know, 419 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: I was very fortunate to, you know, have a good 420 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: ten years in New York where I was able to 421 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: kind of you know, catch on fire a little bit 422 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: with writing and get noticed by Nashal Review and have 423 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: a couple of fun hits on The Gutfeldt Show and 424 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: whatever like that. And I kind of look at that 425 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: and just kind of say, well, I mean, just act 426 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 3: like you're supposed to be doing this. I guess right. 427 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: I don't think most people do think that they're doing 428 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: what they're supposed to be doing. Did you know that 429 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: several Kardashians do not think that they're supposed to be famous? 430 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: Well? Thanks Oj? All right, Pete warming out, Yeah, you 431 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: could thank him for that. That's the That's the worst 432 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: thing O. J. 433 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: Simpson ever did, by the But they don't believe that 434 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: they're meant to be doing what they're doing. 435 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: They think that they they're in a position where they 436 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: can change their path very easily. If they're like, I 437 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: don't believe you should be on TV, then what do 438 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: you believe you should be doing? 439 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 440 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 3: I believe I should be a shepherd on the island 441 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: And stop it. Well, go do that. 442 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: That would be no, so good, very good television. 443 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: Actually, go do that, that would be great. So I 444 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 3: guess I kind of mean it in the sense of 445 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 3: I don't know. I never really thought about, you know, 446 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: should I should I be doing something else. I kind 447 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: of look at me, you are doing this. It's funny 448 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: because you know, my college degree was in interactive media design, 449 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: which is you know, front end web front and graphic 450 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: things look pretty on the Internet. And as that kind 451 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: of shifted where I had clients and then kind of 452 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: a online Twitter persona sort of takes off to the 453 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: point to where I have to kind of go public 454 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: if I want to get writing. You think like that, right, 455 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: And I think it was roughly like around twenty fourteen, 456 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen I started my website, The Wilderness, and I 457 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: got picked up by National Review. That was really the 458 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 3: point where I'm like, well, you're in this now, like 459 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 3: there's no all going back from it, because you're going 460 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: to be You're going to be Google searchable from here 461 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: on out, if people are going to be able to 462 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: search your name, and then of course when you start 463 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: doing media hits, and you know, I've told people this 464 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: who kind of gotten into activism and they you know, 465 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: they stay anonymous and stuff. It's like, you know, be 466 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: good at it, be safe at it, but be prepared 467 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: that any day, you know, any time supporter is going 468 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: to knock on your door and it never works out right, 469 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 3: like what do you do that? And so you have 470 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: to kind of be prepared that if you want to 471 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: do part time actives or anything that would be anonymous 472 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: and you start to get serious about it. Lives a 473 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: TikTok as a perfect example of this, that it may 474 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 3: end up being what you're doing. And so that's kind 475 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: of how I always looked at it. It's like, well, 476 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: there's no going back to this anymore. Go more web 477 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 3: clients over and uh you know, I know I've had 478 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 3: journals poke around to try and find some of that 479 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: stuff and it was well hid and it was in 480 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: you know, LLC's and different names. I wasn't a part 481 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: of it. So it's fine, But like I said, there 482 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: was there comes a point when you have to make 483 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 3: that decision. I think mine was about you know, twenty fourteen, 484 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, where like I said, it's just you're not 485 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: coming back from this. This is going to be your 486 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: life until it's not anymore, until you're not getting paid 487 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: to do it anymore. 488 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 489 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: So here we are, almost ten years later, and I'm 490 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: still doing okay on it? 491 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: Did you used to use your initials? Am I remembering 492 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: this correctly? 493 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 3: Or no it was I just created some dumb ship 494 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: posting anonymous account when it started. 495 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: And. 496 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: Think, okay, I might, I might be remembering it. I 497 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: think we don't. 498 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: We met. 499 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: We met when on the. 500 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: Internet, on on the twitters, when I had U, I 501 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: had a I was doing a big house, you know, purge, 502 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: and I had an an culter doll and I offered 503 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: it up up to the internet and you were like, 504 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: I will take that and culture doll. And it's funny 505 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: because now I met her in Florida, were friends. Now, 506 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, I should have held on to that thing. 507 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: Would you like it back? 508 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: No? No, no, it's okay, you can doesn't. 509 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: She doesn't talk anymore. It's just. 510 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, like, right, well, the talking was the best part. 511 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: I think there's a joke there. But yeah, she's she's 512 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: still up there. She's up there. I do have a 513 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 3: shelf that's kind of my political memorabilia shelf, and she's 514 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 3: up there with an original Anthony Wiener court room sketch 515 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: of praying while he's reading his apology. The original court 516 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 3: room sketch of that. 517 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: Uh, that is a weird purchase. 518 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: I have a George W. Bush flight suit Barbie doll. 519 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: He's still in the box. So I have a couple 520 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: of my media passes, which, you know, just remind me, 521 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: don't ever act like a filthy journalist. What else is 522 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: up there? There's a there's a there's a few things 523 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: that I've kept throughout the years that I've just accumulated. 524 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: And uh so she's up on the shelf, she's sitting 525 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: right there. 526 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: I'll let her know. 527 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell her that you're. 528 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 3: Still that she's sitting up there with a bust of 529 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: you know, plastic Japanese toy bust of Batola and Rea 530 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: like looking, David Bowie and Ziggy Stardust. I love it. 531 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 532 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitch Show. So you write a 533 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: lot about culture, I mean to write a lot about politics, 534 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: But what is your biggest cultural concern? Like, where do 535 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: you think are major cultural problems? 536 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: Live societal problems? 537 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: Oh jeez, I think it's our media. And I know 538 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: that this is a cliche for someone like me, but 539 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: when you have interactions from day to day people, and 540 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: they could be different politics, they could be different race, 541 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: they could be different anything. It's not this kind of 542 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: fever pitch media environment. That can be social media. It 543 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: can be what you see on Twitter X, what you 544 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 3: see on Facebook, what you see on nextdoor whatever. It's 545 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: really not that in real life. To give you an idea, 546 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: I've never had someone and I'm fairly social. I'm not 547 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: you know, mister party guy like that. 548 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: But I've seen you do karaoke. 549 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: I know. 550 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: I have. 551 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: I have a video I know, and she's still holding 552 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: it over for stuff while you're on the show. Right, 553 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: We're good, We're gonna insert that clip. I would just 554 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 3: be like, look how much weight I lost. I've never 555 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: had someone introduce me and tell me what their pronouns are, 556 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: for example. So when I say media, I don't mean 557 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 3: like to see it, and for example, I mean the 558 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: pervasive media culture that we live in does not reflect 559 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: a reality. And I think that that's always the biggest problem. 560 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 3: A perfect example that's you know, might be outdated by 561 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: the time this comes out is we have the shooting 562 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 3: in Chicago of this kid who was pulled over and 563 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: then he opens fire eleven shots on police officers. Police 564 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: officer shoot killed. And now you have our entire media 565 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: trying to gas a you know, rage, And there's no 566 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: reason for them to be doing this, is what I'm 567 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 3: This is a choice of what they're doing. And so 568 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 3: that is something that could very well lead to property damage, 569 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: it could lead to people injured, it could lead to riots, 570 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: and they're actively doing this. And that's kind of what 571 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: I mean about, like when culture, So when you say 572 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 3: what's you know, what's one of the worst things in culture? 573 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: I could say, well, race relations, Well, no, you know, 574 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 3: I think we're pretty much fine. It's just you have 575 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 3: an industry that is actively juicing content to get it 576 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: out there because either they believe something politically or culturally 577 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 3: or whatever. You know. You and I spend a lot 578 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: of time in kind of online swamps and fever dreams, 579 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: and you have to pull apart some of the things 580 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: about what is actually important here. So when we talk 581 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: about women's sports, for example, is that something that looks 582 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: like it's it's getting worse. I don't want to say worse, worst, 583 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: it looked like someone's getting pushed further and further into 584 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: the mainstream, and I would argue that, yes it is. 585 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: And so it's as far as like, culturally, like I said, 586 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: I think for the most part, people are fine. I 587 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 3: think for the most part, we're all just kind of 588 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 3: like we all for the most part, are trying to 589 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: get along with each other and stuff like that. But 590 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: there are forces at work, and it's not just yeah, 591 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: left or right, it's everybody who are actively trying to, 592 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: you know, keep us pissed off and hating each other. Right, 593 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: And so as far as like I said, culturally, that 594 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: to me is a huge problem. And so the media. 595 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: Is the worst. 596 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: I mean, they have to agree, yeah, And it's for 597 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 3: people think that that's a cliche for what I do. 598 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: Now it's true, of course you said media, But I'm 599 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 3: trying to explain why it is that way. And the 600 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: latest example of what we're seeing happen, I think it's 601 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 3: in Chicago is a perfect example of that that they 602 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: are pushing this and pushing this and pushing this, and 603 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: we're seeing like body Camp footage and it's like don't 604 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: believe your eyes and ears like no, and you see 605 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 3: this and you just go, this is infuriating about doing here, 606 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 3: because this is stuff that's going to actually result in 607 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: a real world harm, in real world public harm. Like 608 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: I said, you know, people could lose businesses because you 609 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 3: have a media that's juicing race riots. You have people 610 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: who could get killed or injured or whatever. And they're 611 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: just gonna stand there and they're gonna put their camera 612 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: on it and they're gonna fill it and then in 613 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: three weeks they're gonna leave and they're not gonnactly right. 614 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: That story will be over and who cares what happened. 615 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be on to the neck one. You know, 616 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 3: they're gonna, like I said, kind of And I know 617 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: this is dark, but it feels like they're holding auditions 618 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: for the next kind of Summer of twenty twenty. Here. 619 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: It's like there's combing these cities to find an incident 620 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 3: that they can use. And like I said, that's that's 621 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: not journalism, that's narrative searching. And so as like I said, 622 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: as far as culture, it's not. You know, you can 623 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: define a lot of things under that, but as far 624 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: as like what I do and what I see and 625 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 3: what we're just actively trying to change or at least 626 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: point out and say, see right here you're being that's 627 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: that's really what I believe and where we're at. 628 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that we're in a dark place in 629 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: that way, and I hope that people wake up and 630 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: fight back against that kind of thing. 631 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to talk about. Another one that you're 632 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: seeing a lot of is this this idea of the church. 633 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: This is one of these things I see, you know, 634 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: journalists talking about people in media saying, you know, you 635 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: know the church is being taken over by trump Ism 636 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: or whatever. And I'm not religious, but I know church 637 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: is a sense of community. So when you get to 638 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: a point where you're pushing that kind of thing, even 639 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: into churches where your your goal is to get people 640 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: in church, separate them voting for I've never really been 641 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: big on church. I have been to church for kind life. 642 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: And you're probably you don't seem like a big Trump 643 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: supporter either, so so double it's maybe you're actually seeing 644 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: what's going on there and not. 645 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: You think it's about. But church has always not just 646 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: been about going in and worshiping religion. It's a sense 647 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: of community. Especially in Black communities, this is huge. You 648 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: go with your neighbors. You know, it's whether you see 649 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: these people and you see them only at church, but 650 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: it's still a sense of community. You go there, you 651 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: sit with them worship, and then you walk out and 652 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: you see their kids, and their kids are running around 653 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: and they're talking. They're like whatever, it's nice. 654 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 655 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 3: And when you have a section of media who's trying 656 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: to pierce that sense of community by making everything about uh, 657 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 3: whether it's Trump isn't or politics, that the idea that 658 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: you're trying to get, you know, suspicious of who the 659 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: pew with you is voting for trouble. You better not 660 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: do that. A lot of a lot of that stuff 661 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 3: that is so toxic, and that that falls under things 662 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: you see in media where everything has to be kind 663 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: of connected to the political moment that we're having, and 664 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: it really doesn't. Right, Yeah, you don't have to attribute 665 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 3: every single thing back to the political moment because some 666 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: people might feel personally betrayed by it. 667 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: Right, not everything is Trump involved? 668 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: It turns into oh and not everything not everything Trump 669 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: involved is the de mars. 670 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Right. Well, I loved having you on, even though when 671 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: I asked you to come on my show, you said, 672 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: oh fine. 673 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: All right, and then you told me twenty minutes and 674 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: I was just. 675 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: Right, You're like, no, I'm going to go along. 676 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: Actually I thought for the hour, I rearrased the furniture 677 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: and everything. Yeah, just all right, let's do it. 678 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: Come on well, forecast, you know, so end here with 679 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: your best tip for how my readers my readers, for 680 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: how my listeners can improve their lives. 681 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: Oh geez, you see, I can tell you didn't. 682 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: You didn't read the email that I said. 683 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: Oh I did I read? I did? I read a 684 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 3: But even that's one where I thought about It's like 685 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: you were asking the exact wrong person on how to 686 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: improve your love. 687 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: I disagree. 688 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: I think you've made a lot of really good changes 689 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: in your life since I last saw. 690 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: You in New York. 691 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: I think you're you're looking great, you're sounding great, You're 692 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, I. 693 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: Did, I did put on a compound so because I 694 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: thought it was gonna be an hour, So I wouldn't 695 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 3: have done it for twenty minutes. 696 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: Right, I think, I don't. 697 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: I don't know so much about changes. Something that something 698 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 3: I will say that I do is I kind of 699 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: believe in constantly moving forward or evolving, and when by 700 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 3: that is so. And I don't say I make a 701 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: conscious decision, but every year it's trying to kind of 702 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: learn something new. Last year it was golf, like, and 703 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: I'm always at golf, but I'm in a place sort 704 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: of where there's some courses and you kind of get 705 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: that itch when you see And then I went out 706 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: and I tried it and it was like I had 707 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: worked pain in my hips and I've ever had an occupant. 708 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: So this year, this year is going to be kind 709 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: of official lessons less Like I said, last year, I 710 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: would you personal training. I just wanted to get better 711 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: shape this year. This year I did two things. I 712 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: got my eye fixed with Lasak, which is kind of 713 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 3: an a thing. And the reason I did is because 714 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: I bought a gun. I bought my first GUDEN and 715 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: I was out on the range with an instructure and 716 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 3: instructor and they couldn't figure out my vision. And as 717 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 3: far as like which I dominant, I was right. My 718 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: right eye dominant was the worst blurry vision I had. 719 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: So they're like, maybe don't shoot with that vision. 720 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: Oh, but no, it's been a whole I'm gonna I 721 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: have a draft for Spectator Magnet about going through the 722 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: process of buying it not just you know, it's not 723 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: just you go and you find one you like, and 724 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: then and then you go and you shoot it, and hey, like, 725 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 3: you learn so much about yourself. You learn which handed. 726 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: It's funny because I'm right handed, but I learned I'm 727 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 3: a left handed shoot. You know. You learn about your 728 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: eyes and now I had to get my eye fixed 729 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: because I don't want to be blind. Learn about accuracy, 730 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: you learn about speed, and you learn about just everything. 731 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 3: You learn about the mechanics of it's fascinating. And so 732 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: I guess, like that's my thing is every year it's 733 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: trying to do something that's either new or evolving, or 734 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: something that challenges you to kind of step out, you know, 735 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: step out a bit. Again, you're really asking the wrong person. 736 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: I will say that, I again will disagree. He is 737 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 2: Stephen Miller. 738 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: He thinks you should be moving forward, and I think 739 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: that that's really good advice. 740 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot for TV. 741 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for coming on. 742 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: Steven. 743 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: Catch his podcast, The Versus Media Podcast on substack and 744 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: read him all over the place. 745 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 3: Thanks again, Steven, Thanks Carol, it's good to see you again. 746 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. 747 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.