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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's given me

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Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interview with celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and

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Speaker 1: from my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here we come.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Bishop Marvin Sapp. He's a Multiplatinum

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Speaker 1: Guys for Gospel Icon, songwriter, pastor and the executive producer

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Speaker 1: of the new TV one original film Never would Have

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Speaker 1: Made It that Marvin Staff story. We've also been discussing

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Speaker 1: his fifteenth album, Substance, released in June, mark Marvin Staff's

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Speaker 1: seventh number one album Debate. The album was released on

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Speaker 1: his own label, Elevate Entertainment, which is distributed through thirty Tigers.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about his move from his hometown of Grand

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Speaker 1: Raptorsness to my home state for worth text. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that that right now. Is that he changed? Baby?

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Speaker 1: Is that he changed? But most importantly we're talking about

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Speaker 1: his family, faith and sense of humor from a person

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Speaker 1: who has delivered such incredible gospel songs like never would

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Speaker 1: have made it and the best to me, please work

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Speaker 1: with the money making Conversation masterclass, the one and only

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Speaker 1: Bishop Marvin Sap. How are you doing? Certain? I am great,

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Speaker 1: I'm on top and rising high. How are you doing well? Great?

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's get to the big move first, okay,

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Speaker 1: because I've been up in Michigan like it's a shape

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Speaker 1: like your hand, and then you moved out of my state. Now,

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Speaker 1: first of all, why did you move? And then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the elements. Well, you know, honestly, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can always use this. You know, people would say

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Speaker 1: it's cliche, but honestly, I moved because it was it

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Speaker 1: was God. It was it was a god tying move

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Speaker 1: for me. And UM, I needed change and I didn't

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Speaker 1: UM And strangely enough, I waited till I was fifty

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Speaker 1: move to another state. UM, and took a church here

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Speaker 1: in the city. Now lived and had accessiful church and

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Speaker 1: us every week. And UH moved down here to start

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Speaker 1: from scratched in essence. And I still have three uh

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Speaker 1: it's it's been a great, great blessing to me. You

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Speaker 1: a state that shaped like a frying pan, amazingly. But

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Speaker 1: it was good for me and it has been good

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Speaker 1: to me. Well, you know, I love that because y'all,

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Speaker 1: I was born to read in Houston. And then people

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Speaker 1: think because you're up in Dallas for worth, it's cooler.

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Speaker 1: It's actually it's hotter in Dallas than it is in

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Speaker 1: of course it's by the ocean. But no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like we this they said this summer has been unseasonable. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've averaged a hundred degrees and no rain, for the

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Speaker 1: last sixty plus days, every day it's been a hundred

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Speaker 1: don't leave the house much. And uh, but but you know,

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Speaker 1: I have a I have a great church in Fort Worth,

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Speaker 1: Texas and uh, the Chosen Vessel Church. And if you

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Speaker 1: get a chance to come see us, absolutely, or you

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Speaker 1: can watch this every Sunday at eleven am Central Standard

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Speaker 1: Time or any of our social media platforms and and

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Speaker 1: and it's it's a great situation. It was a great movie. Cool.

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Speaker 1: I always feel, you know, because one of my my

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Speaker 1: Appreciate being a part of that powerful network. Our relationship

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Speaker 1: goes back to Steve Harvey and uh, you know when

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Speaker 1: You played my song absolutely absolutely, But as you as

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Speaker 1: it was It was a blessing. So you have a gift, sir,

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Speaker 1: that we talk about. That gift your your your wife

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Speaker 1: a minute. Sometow You ran away from that gift, and

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Speaker 1: so many people in life run from gifts or don't

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Speaker 1: understand those gifts that God just gifts them talk about

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Speaker 1: sure your children and people around them understand the value

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Speaker 1: of gifts. Well, I think you know, what people really

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Speaker 1: need to understand is that where where there is gift,

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Speaker 1: reason why people run away from their gifts is because

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Speaker 1: of the simple fact that the responsibility that goes along

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, when you consider, you know the responsibility

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want this because I looked

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Speaker 1: have a movie being done your life, especially something that

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Speaker 1: have made it a film that's an original film. The

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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. It's it's

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Speaker 1: receive in the future. And see, that's why we stay stuck,

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Speaker 1: because we're so busy looking at what we have that

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Speaker 1: I'm doing better now that I was doing in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I'm happier now than I ever was in Michigan, at

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Speaker 1: least since the passing of my life. Um. And I

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Speaker 1: mean like it was just it was a great decision.

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Speaker 1: The church and Grand Rapids is better now because they

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Speaker 1: have a new pastor and they're moving forward. This church

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Speaker 1: is better because they have a new pastor and they're

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Speaker 1: moving forward. So it's just man all the way around.

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Speaker 1: It was a leap of faith and I came by myself.

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Speaker 1: I didn't bring nobody with me. I literally moved like

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Speaker 1: by myself. Um, and when I got here, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know anybody. Uh. Now you know, we're growing, we're establishing

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Speaker 1: relationships with people. Um. We were here six months and

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Speaker 1: COVID hit. So then we was in the house by ourselves,

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Speaker 1: just me and the three kids because they were afraid.

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Speaker 1: They moved here and stayed with me for three, um

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Speaker 1: maybe six month before they all decided to adventure back

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Speaker 1: to the places that they were at. So I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you just gotta you gotta, you gotta jump.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, he's Bishop Marvin Sap never would have made

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Speaker 1: it the best of me. It's its own independent record label.

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Speaker 1: Now more importantly, August, that's a Sunday one of this.

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Speaker 1: Mark never would have made it. The Marvel's app story.

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Speaker 1: You gotta watch it. You gotta watch it because I learned,

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Speaker 1: and also it's it's a moment's it's fine active. But

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Speaker 1: he appears in there. I'm not gonna tell you how

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Speaker 1: when he drops in there dropping those nuggets. And I

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Speaker 1: loved it because I came from the hood of community

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Speaker 1: just like him and my family with the McDonald family

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Speaker 1: and some of my mom. Man, she just held it

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Speaker 1: down like your mom. You know. It was all kind

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Speaker 1: of activity that wasn't good around us. And we had

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Speaker 1: she had six daughters and two boys, including to me

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Speaker 1: that was nine kids. So but when we moved out

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Speaker 1: of the neighborhood, the neighborhood seemed like it just collapsed.

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Speaker 1: So I know what story you're telling about your mom.

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Speaker 1: Her strength in respect can cause other people who are

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Speaker 1: not on that path to stay there just long enough,

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Speaker 1: just to keep the evil out of the house. And

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Speaker 1: that's what you did. And I really appreciated the story

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Speaker 1: you was able to tell about her, But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing your story. August one on TV one,

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Speaker 1: the Marvis Staff story. Appreciate your Bishop Man. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We talked soon, all right. If you want to hear

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Speaker 1: or see any of these interviews, please go to Money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversation dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald. I am

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Speaker 1: your host. Keep winning. We'll be right back with more

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are now

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Speaker 1: tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Hi Roshan McDonald for money Making Conversations masterclass

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Speaker 1: with your daily minute of inspiration. This week, I sat

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Speaker 1: down with CEO and co found of Tyler New Media,

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Speaker 1: home of traffic, sales and Profit, Lamar Taylor, as he

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Speaker 1: shares the importance of choosing your message or wisely and

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Speaker 1: making sure they walk to talk. It's a lot of

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Speaker 1: times we look at people and may be celebrities when

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Speaker 1: I say, are they really hardcore entrepreneurs? And you know

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Speaker 1: they couldn't be someone with a brand um, you know,

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Speaker 1: connect them with something to make more money from. But

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Speaker 1: like you said, I feel like Magic Johnson isn't is

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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. He's a dream and he thinks big. And

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Speaker 1: that's we want to really encourage people in the audience.

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Speaker 1: It hears to be live to do a lot of

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Speaker 1: times what we currently do. So many of us maybe

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Speaker 1: first generation entrepreneurs. We may not have grown up around entrepreneurship,

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Speaker 1: so we might need somebody to stretch what we actually

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Speaker 1: think it's possible for ourselves. And that's why we picked

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Speaker 1: them to come in and have that conversation. If you

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Speaker 1: were to listen to this four interview with Lamar Taylor,

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Speaker 1: it's available on Money Making Conversation dot com Now, let's

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Speaker 1: return to money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Running Green. He's the careerismatic host of

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Speaker 1: a fishing story. Running Green is a graduate. Because I'm

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Speaker 1: from Texas, I always got throughout that Texas connector is

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Speaker 1: a graduate of Texas Tech University, where he read track. Now,

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Speaker 1: I didn't run tracks. I was just a guy who

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Speaker 1: watched people run track. He served as I have to

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Speaker 1: thank you for the US. He's a U. S. Marine

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Speaker 1: Corps veteran and successful former executive in the corporate world,

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Speaker 1: just like I used to be at IBM. So we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of We kind of got a lot

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Speaker 1: of things in common. You know, Texas, he did the

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Speaker 1: corporate thing and all that good stuff. Now he is

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Speaker 1: a well known fisherman, something I cannot do. He's participated

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Speaker 1: in multiple professional fishing circuits, he said, indeed one of

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Speaker 1: the top people in the world five years ago. Since

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Speaker 1: he was five years old, he's been fishing. I remember

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Speaker 1: I started the Little Cane Baked Bank for fishing. That's

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Speaker 1: how I started in the business. His show has won

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Speaker 1: over thirty two awards total, including the multiple Telly Awards

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Speaker 1: in the Premier. Honoring the Premier is honoring of programming

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Speaker 1: excellence in television and video. Please work with money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversation masterclass Again, one of my dear friends is to

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Speaker 1: running green. How are you doing, sir Ra Shawn? Is

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Speaker 1: a slow pleasure to see you again. Man. You know,

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Speaker 1: always people like you, all right, I always got I'm enjoying.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta play with the intro because you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're such a unique individual with your skills. Said,

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Speaker 1: because how many black fishermen we know, Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I fished. You know there's a lot of black people

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Speaker 1: out there fishing, but professional black fisherman's that's a rare.

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Speaker 1: Just like race car driving, you know, it's like golfers.

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Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of black people out there

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Speaker 1: golfer When you turn on the TV, how many black

533
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Speaker 1: peoplec golfing. It's a lot of people out there race cars.

534
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Speaker 1: Only you see is Bubba Wallace. And so it becomes

535
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Speaker 1: a very unique skill set because you can enjoy it.

536
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Speaker 1: But when you start going to that next level, what

537
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Speaker 1: makes you that unique African American talent or Black talent

538
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Speaker 1: that's been able to break that ceiling? Well, I think

539
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Speaker 1: one of the things that is uh, fishing is a

540
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Speaker 1: universal language. And if you understand how to navigate the

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Speaker 1: world using that universal language, UM and understanding the needs

542
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Speaker 1: or needs no matter where you go and what you do,

543
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Speaker 1: and fishing is fishing. I think it helps you to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to win in this industry. And I've

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Speaker 1: been able to do that and I'm so fortunate and

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Speaker 1: blessed um to be able to make a living doing

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Speaker 1: it and making a living. And so you know we

548
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Speaker 1: were last time I interviewed was Smack Dab and COVID.

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Speaker 1: You came out of the George Force crisis and so

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Speaker 1: the world was different. The world was different at that time,

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Speaker 1: and now we fast forward to two because I you know,

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Speaker 1: somebod I think this it would be three different transitions.

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Speaker 1: You had the transition before George Floyd and COVID, Then

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Speaker 1: you had COVID and George Floyd, and then now we're

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Speaker 1: dealing with post George Floyd and still in the pandemic

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Speaker 1: but with restrictions involuntary and voluntary. Can you walk us

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Speaker 1: through those different steps of your career and where you

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Speaker 1: are right now, so pre George Floyd and and the

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Speaker 1: crisis we had in our country. It was a lot

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Speaker 1: going on, and this is a very unique industry, and

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Speaker 1: it's and that the business model is similar to NASCAR,

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Speaker 1: as you see folks wearing a lot of patches and

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Speaker 1: a lot of different sponsors on their on their jersey,

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Speaker 1: on their peril, and even on their vehicle that they use,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a boat or whether it's a NASCAR car.

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Speaker 1: So it's the same in that sense, but it's also

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Speaker 1: unique in the sense that you see little sprinkles of

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Speaker 1: minorities like myself in the industry. Um So it can

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Speaker 1: be seen as a very unique thing. But my job

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Speaker 1: is to more so educate people on the history of

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Speaker 1: fishing in America, because fishing in America goes through the

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Speaker 1: hands of slaves in America where we were a part

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Speaker 1: of fishing, especially African American females. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: don't know that um as relates to fishing. So hence

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Speaker 1: that kind of leads me to my next point, which

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Speaker 1: leads to my great grandma, who is one generation removed

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Speaker 1: from slavey Bona nineteen o six. Um taught me everything

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Speaker 1: I know about fishing, but taught me the history of

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Speaker 1: it as well. Wow, that's been amazing so then you

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Speaker 1: got into the COVID run and what did you did?

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Speaker 1: Did did COVID shut down the fishing turn up the

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Speaker 1: fishing circuit? It actually didn't because here's the thing, Roshaun,

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Speaker 1: no one had anything else to do and could not

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Speaker 1: do anything else but go outside, and fishing was one

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Speaker 1: of the things. As a matter of fact, the fishing

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Speaker 1: industry exploded. They couldn't keep anything on the shelves. Although

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00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: everything was back ordered, people were fishing. More boats and

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Speaker 1: engines were bought, and even to this day the market

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Speaker 1: is oversaturated with boats and people still trying to get

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Speaker 1: boats engines that are back ordered. Because the remedy or

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Speaker 1: or at the time was just fishing. That's all we

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Speaker 1: can do and be safe and still be COVID friendly

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Speaker 1: outside because you're six ft apart the whole nine yards

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Speaker 1: and uh, that was the only thing to do. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks there was over a million new

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Speaker 1: license issued just because of fishing UM and folks who

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Speaker 1: have never tried it, they decided to give it a try,

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Speaker 1: and then you got a certain percentage of folks it's

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Speaker 1: stuck around um to continue to fishing because they realized

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Speaker 1: it's something that I missed and I should have been doing.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing about COVID. It was eliminated that

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Speaker 1: we were all able to make from the limit of COVID.

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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is people were finding

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Speaker 1: things that they thought they couldn't do. People were writing,

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00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: more books were written, people were fishing more, people were

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Speaker 1: enjoying things that they didn't do previously because they had

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Speaker 1: to do it. When you're forced to do something, it's

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Speaker 1: amazing what the human spirit can do. So gentlemen, why

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Speaker 1: do you have to have a license to fish? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a good question. And my dad asked me that

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Speaker 1: question all the time, and I always rectify that you

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Speaker 1: gotta throw something back. Please, you can't do this to me.

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Speaker 1: What the reason is is because if you did not allow,

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Speaker 1: or if you did not teach people how to rationalize

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Speaker 1: or or have conservation with fish, people will take as

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Speaker 1: many as they could. I have seen times or people

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Speaker 1: have caught thirty forty fifty fish for one reason, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of times just for their own ego to say,

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Speaker 1: look what I called. Here's a picture of all the

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Speaker 1: fish that I caught. But if you did that and

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Speaker 1: multiplied it times, the people that fish in the world.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if we would have any resources left.

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Speaker 1: There's places in other countries that they don't have the

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Speaker 1: same stipulations we have, where they actually you know, take

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Speaker 1: advantage to a point where almost extinct some species of fish.

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Speaker 1: So if we don't do that and learn to you know,

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Speaker 1: help reproduce the fish, then ultimately our kids kids can

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Speaker 1: enjoy the thing we love called fishing. So basically, by

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Speaker 1: getting the license, it allows you to fish, but fish

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Speaker 1: with uh with some type of conservation in mind. You

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Speaker 1: just can't just load up all the fish and walk

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Speaker 1: out of there. Are because because somebody can come by

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Speaker 1: and find you if you don't have a license or

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Speaker 1: stop you from fishing if you don't have a license, correct,

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00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: that is correct. As a matter of fact. That even

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Speaker 1: goes further than that. Sometimes when you if you have

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Speaker 1: a boat and you take too many fish, they have

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Speaker 1: the ability to take your boat, to take your tackle everything.

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Speaker 1: That's how important it is for you to know what

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Speaker 1: you're doing when you go out and fish. Even if

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00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: you're fishing on the bank, people say, well, I'm not

642
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm fishing on the bank. I don't need a license.

643
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: You need a license as well. And senior citizens typically

644
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: don't need a license, but always check your state and

645
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: then sometimes the adolescents may be less than ten or

646
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: something to that effect. But every state is different, so

647
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: you always got to check and make sure. I tend

648
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: to believe to keep a lifetime license, so I never

649
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: have to worry about it unless I'm going to another state.

650
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, the worst feeling

651
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: in the world that you'll never forget is to have

652
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: an officer come and take your court or sometimes even

653
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: take all your equipment, which that stuff can be expensive,

654
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: or he can take you to jet I'm speaking to

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00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Ronney Green here is the charismatic host of A Fishing

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Speaker 1: Story with Ronnie Green. That's show us one of the

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Speaker 1: thirty two Awards and as as well as a very

658
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Speaker 1: elite uh Telly Awards for the quality of the show,

659
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: the creativity to show, the program of the show. And

660
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: when you're when you're an African American and you venture

661
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: out into the world like I worked for IBM, so

662
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: I know that was a world where you know, you

663
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: look around, it's not a world that's populated with not

664
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Speaker 1: an African Americans like any corporate job is. But you

665
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: can be treated different. People can feel that you're unique,

666
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: that you are able to be imployed in that particular fashion.

667
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: What is this, what's going on? When did you finally

668
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: get comfortable out there, Ronnie, being a very unique member

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Speaker 1: of very white group, I would say probably when I

670
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: was bass fishing. So you have different styles of fishing.

671
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: There's saltwater fishing, which is out in the ocean, and

672
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: then there's freshwater fishing, which is bass fishing. And bass

673
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: fishing is a very unique skill set because if you're

674
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: bass fishing, most of the time you're fishing with artificial baits.

675
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: And why is that important? Because if you have an

676
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: artificial bait versus a live bait, fish prefer the filet

677
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: MiG young versus the imitation. So it takes a very

678
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: unique skilled fisherman to imitate a live bait to force

679
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: a bass to eat some of that. And bass fishing

680
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: rules the industry. So I felt like, if I can

681
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: actually be successful in what rules the industry, bass fishing,

682
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: by fishing bass tournaments, then I think, uh, it can

683
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: turned into something big, not knowing that it would. So

684
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: how that happened was because of I spent more time

685
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: fishing after I lost my mother surprise and lea. You know,

686
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: we never expected it, and ultimately it was the same.

687
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: It's like the COVID situation. You were forced in a

688
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: position where you had to figure out how to get therapy.

689
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: My therapy at the time fishing every single day after

690
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 1: losing my mother was fishing. I had time to think,

691
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: had time to reflect, had time to grieve, had a

692
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of time because I was out there by myself fishing.

693
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: I lived on the lake at the time every single day,

694
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: ten twelve hours, sometimes not eating, just drinking a lot

695
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: of fluids, thinking about fishing. And ultimately, because of that,

696
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: it turned into a skill set that actually took a

697
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: quantum leap and started winning tournaments, not knowing that the

698
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: grieving process was helping me become more proficient at as

699
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: a professional fisherman. And then I started getting sponsors because

700
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: I was winning, and then I started to believe that

701
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: I can really do this. Then I started traveling around

702
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: the country fishing these big tournaments with some of the

703
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: best in the entire world. And when you can actually

704
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: win and get a check doing that, and then folks

705
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: sponsors noticed you, you feel like maybe I can do

706
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: this and ultimately it turned into something else. The TV

707
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: side came about because of the nature in which that

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00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I communicated on stage in a charismatic manner. I would

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00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: actually leave a little inspirational an adult. And then also, uh,

710
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: just give someone something positive to to talk about when

711
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: most people would get on the stage and to talk

712
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: about all the sponsors and everybody wants something positive they

713
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: can hang onto and possibly marinate on later on. And

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00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: ultimately I did. And then a producer came up to

715
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: me and said, I think you could make a fantastic

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Speaker 1: TV host and the rest of history. Wow, now you

717
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: have like I go back as a kid. You know,

718
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: I was on the cane with the little court putting

719
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: out there, you know, the little Mark Twain moment. You

720
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, just watching a little bass. I

721
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: think I was purchased what I was really catching all

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00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: the time. So let's let's go. Let's go through this

723
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Speaker 1: an education process. Because you said bash is the popular

724
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: popular circuit tournament. They have small wall fash and large mouthpath.

725
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I've called both. Then I've called catfish, which is you

726
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: gotta have gloves with them bad boys, because they will

727
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: cut you. They will cut you. Now and then you

728
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: have the perch, and you have trout. I've caught all

729
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: these things, so let's let's go. What I call the

730
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: fish that that that that scares me, that that I

731
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: have been cut grabbing this fish incorrectly is the catfish.

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Speaker 1: What makes the catfish such an interesting is the delicacy

733
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Speaker 1: on plates and restaurants, specially in the South. What makes

734
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: you such an interesting and how you go about catching

735
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: a catfish. You gotta understand the catfish a very slimy fish.

736
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Speaker 1: You don't see scales, So scales is one thing, and

737
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: it's also in a sense of scavenger, so it will

738
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Speaker 1: eat any and everything on the bottom of the lake.

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Speaker 1: So it also has on each side, as if I

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Speaker 1: was a catfish, coming out of each side by its

741
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: uh gills, bones right, that has a little anecdota poison.

742
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: And then you have one coming out the back. So

743
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: when you grab it, most of the time, if this

744
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: is a catfish, you want to grab it from the

745
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: front under knee those storms, and then you never grab

746
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: it from the back because the back is where that

747
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: other thorn is and you hold onto it pretty tight.

748
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: There's a bone there as well. If you hold on

749
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: pretty tight, it won't slip, because that's the other thing.

750
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: Usually when it slips, it'll fall. It hits your toe

751
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: and you'll never forget it, but you never do it again.

752
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: And I've been there, my great grandmother and my daddy. Boy,

753
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: what'd you do it? At the end of the day.

754
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: There was some tough lessons learned, but you'll never forget

755
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: it because that was our staple of fish growing up, catfish,

756
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: my great grandmother, my dad, Friday Night's church while we

757
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: eat so much catfish. I found out his gavenge, Like

758
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: I said, that was out there, and I cut my

759
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: hand up a many of the day trying to trying

760
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: to crown though, because as a kid, you don't really

761
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: know and you don't remember the lesson learned previously, and

762
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: you get cut up enough by that cat for you

763
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: either gonna fear it or you're gonna learn how to

764
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: pick it up now and then if then perch, because

765
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: I was always on the bank fishing with my little

766
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: cork perch. Explain to people what exacklys perch, so purchase

767
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: related to the bass, and we call them bluegill. They're

768
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: also called sheryl crackers. So there's bluegills and they're shell crackers,

769
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: and some of them call them ready or there's so

770
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: many different nicknames for fish there. The official name is

771
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: a bluegill, and they call them perch as well. And

772
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: they are also a good fish for bass to eat.

773
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: So they're about a pan size and the pan fish

774
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: is usually the size of your hid. There's so good

775
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: scare them off. Now you gotta scale them off. Now

776
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: you gotta get that knife and knock all those scales

777
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: off that. Yeah, but I use you for la professor,

778
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: I have a little black They don't believe. We'll be

779
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald.

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00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. I.

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00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Rodney Green, one of my good dear friends,

782
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: and the business that is unique because it's a rarity

783
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: to a talented African American fisherman. He has a popular

784
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: show called A Fishing Story with Running Green that airs

785
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: from all the Roku, the dish, the direct TV, all

786
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: the all the show networks that you can stream on

787
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: is available to get his show and it's before I

788
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: don't want I want to let everybody know tell us

789
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: exactly what a fishing story is, and then I'm gonna

790
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: get back to talking about the small mouth, bass, law

791
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: mouth path and the trout. So a fishing story is

792
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: a show that walks people through a personal life of

793
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: a person through the the efficient so the highs and

794
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: lows of life, and we've all had it. And at

795
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day we see the highs and

796
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: lows and see how people have persevered, because it's always

797
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: a very unique thing to see someone that have gone

798
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: through the same thing you've gone through and ultimately have

799
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: come out on top. And we we highlight people that

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00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: have gone through tremendous life experiences on the fishing story.

801
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: And that's really important that people understand the motivation behind relaxing. Relaxing.

802
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: You know, we we we live such a stress life.

803
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: And I you know you've been by my house. I

804
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: have a little pond, five acre parm behind my property

805
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: and that relaxes me, Ronnie. And when our care high

806
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: intensity is out there, I get there and I just

807
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: see that water, just the rippling. I just see some

808
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: minnots out there, and now it's to the water swirled

809
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: either fishing salt me or frog in salt me they

810
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: went the other direction that see these geese landing and

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00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: it just really relaxing. That is such a great, uh

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00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: therapeutic moment out there for you. It's something you would

813
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: recommend the people to experience on a regular basis. Absolutely,

814
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: ras Sean, I think it's it's something about we have

815
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: a kinder shift to water, and nobody can fully understand

816
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: it and explain it. But at the end of the day,

817
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: when we are around water and we go on vacation,

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00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: even if just looking at water as something about it,

819
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, not to get too deep,

820
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: but our body is made up of majority of water.

821
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: So it's a kindred ship because you're relating to something

822
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: that is you're developed by your body is made up of.

823
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: So I don't understand it totally, but at the end

824
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: of the day, it has a therapeutic value that you

825
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: can never put a price on. Yes, a fishing store

826
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: hosted by Running Green is all. You can catch it

827
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: on the Outdoor Channel, World Fishing Network, NBC Sports Bay

828
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Area and other Armed Forces networkers were all it's a

829
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: very popular show that really it takes you back. Like

830
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: I said when I say came came poll Fish in

831
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: with the court Mark Twain and you know exactly where

832
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: I was at right there. You know, that's a classic moment.

833
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: Now let's go to which I consider the one of

834
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: the prettiest fish is trout trout fishing, and then explain

835
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: how you get that, and then we're gonna go to

836
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: large mall baths and the small mall bass. Yes there,

837
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: So trout is that's another very unique, beautiful species. There

838
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: is a saltwater trout what we call the ocean trout,

839
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: and then you have the fresh water trout found and

840
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: typically streams, so the beautiful streams where you see real

841
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: shallow clear water and most of the time the best

842
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: way to catch a trout of that magnitude is through

843
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: fly fishing. So that's another very unique skill set of

844
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: fishing because you're using a mainline and you see the

845
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: guys just whipping it back and forth, and that is

846
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: so relaxing because you're around a lot of mountains. Typically

847
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: you're around a lot of We were just in uh

848
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: Missouri up Bass Throw Shops Um doing a show with

849
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: Johnny Morris, and one of the things we did was

850
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: fly fishing, and it is so amazing to catch a

851
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: fish on such a small little fly that they can

852
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: see hit the water with all this moving water, and

853
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: as soon as it comes by them, they hit it.

854
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. That's that's. That's that's so just

855
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: constantly just feed it, just constantly just feeding into a

856
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: certain area. That's that's. That's amazing. Now let's let's go

857
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: to the small mouth bass, which I've caught a large

858
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: mouth bass. What is the difference between the two and

859
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: what makes them such a great are popular circuit fish.

860
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: They're both bass um in the bass family. But to

861
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: think about a small mouth bass, it lives in northern

862
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: cooler climates anywhere from northern Alabama on up north. And

863
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: that is probably poundful pound the toughest fish in freshwater. Uh.

864
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: You can see they have a larger tail than what

865
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: a large mouth asses. And then they have a smaller mouth,

866
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: much smaller mouth, but big girthy body. So they have

867
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: a lot of stealth um and lots of power. And

868
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: you will know when you have one on the fight

869
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: of your life. Man, that is something else. And of

870
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: course everybody's favorite, the large mouth bast you know, I

871
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: love them plus, yes, sir, And the reason is that

872
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: is the most I guess opportunists type predator. In fresh water,

873
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: you can have little baby ducks and I have seen

874
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: it in action, unfortunately, going along with their mother. All

875
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, one of those just disappear because the

876
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: bast will hit them on top and take them under.

877
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: Their mouth is so large. Anything they think they can

878
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: get their mouth around, they will take it down. I

879
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: have seen them take baby rabbits that have fallen in

880
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: the water. I have seen bast take anything that they

881
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: think they're out. Frogs are a favorite of them, and

882
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: of course baitfish so and that's what's so intriguing about

883
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: us chasing that green fish, because you can trick them

884
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: on top with a top water babe up and hit

885
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: it and it's a beautiful explosion. It's amazing fight. Or

886
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: you can catch them on a crank bay. You can

887
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: catch some all sorts of ways. But whatever it is,

888
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: you can trigger those later lines on the side of

889
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: his body, her body. And I'll tell you what that thing.

890
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: When it feels the vibration, it will turn on it

891
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: and before you know it, it'll be on on your line.

892
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: And the thing is fast. People don't realize, why is

893
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: this person really so fast? Across the top. They can

894
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: go twelve miles an hour. That's a fast fits so

895
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: and that's probably why we chase that green monster. And

896
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: it's like a thirteen billion dollar industry just chasing that

897
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: green fish. So I I gotta ask you what people

898
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: I want to be like Mr Rodney Green? How does

899
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: one get into this business? It is not an overnight process,

900
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: but how does one start? It's a very tricky thing

901
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: and so there is no guarantees. You have to be

902
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: very careful. I would always say that makes sure you

903
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: have your education before you do anything, so you have

904
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: a fallback plan. Um. But the way it typically works

905
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: is to fish tournaments, local tournaments. There used to be

906
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: salt water tournaments, but they only have those larger massive

907
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: tournaments like Selfish and that's teams that have been together

908
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: for many years. But on the baths side, you can

909
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: fish your local local tournaments and what is called the

910
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Weekend Series a B A BFLS or even the Bass Master,

911
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: which is what I still continue to fish and keep

912
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: my skills up. So there are several ways to join

913
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: it and and then you move up in the ranks

914
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: based on how you finish, and you keep fishing and

915
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: some people move up and they don't want to leave.

916
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: They just do it consistently. It's a tough road. You're

917
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: on the road a lot. You have a family, you're

918
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: not gonna see them a lot. Similar to a military

919
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: style of lifestyle. So there's a lot you must give

920
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: up and you must be committed because there's gonna be

921
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: some days you literally don't catch fish. That's the nature fishing,

922
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: and that's what we love it because at the end

923
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: of the day you might get punched down and you know,

924
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: knocked out by the bass and you come back the

925
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: next day and U t ko that fish. You know

926
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: before you knew it, you know, the first cast and

927
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: that's why we love it. Well, if you've had some

928
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: of my friends on the show, Okay, I will miss

929
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: if I left this show, because I'm telling everybody you

930
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: know me running, I got brill you don't an now

931
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: now been by my house, fixed and breakfast. He caught

932
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: fishing my backyard. Then Laverlle Crawford, he'd been on the show.

933
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: Nephew Timm and he'd been on the show. All these

934
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: people been on the shows every shot McDonald. But I

935
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: will not be a good host to talk about the

936
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: experience that they had on your show, lit Vere Crawford.

937
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: We know it is a in the comedy term is

938
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: a food, Nephew, Tommy, is a food. Talk about the experience.

939
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm fishing with these two gentlemen. They're very gifted in

940
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: their craft. Now you got them in your craft. Yes,

941
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: it's amazing because they are very good fishermen as well.

942
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: The Vell Crafford loves his bass fishing. I don't know

943
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: if people look at his social media, but if you

944
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: ever peek at his Instagram, there's gonna be a bass

945
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: showing up somewhere. He's gonna be in a city. He'll

946
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: find a little pond and have a little rod, and

947
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: he will find a pond and catch him some fish.

948
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: Hold it up like, Hey, I'm in Ohio, I'm over

949
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: here at this club and I'm gon actually catching fish

950
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: around the corner. Is a person that loves and has

951
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: a passion to fish. You didn't even know that. I

952
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: did not know that. Yes, And then, uh, Nephew, Tommy,

953
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still waiting to pranking one day on fishing.

954
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: But Willie fishing together probably pretty quicken. We talked yesterday

955
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: and uh, he's amazing fisherman. He loves inshore. We did

956
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: an off shore shoot and I'll tell you what he

957
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: We had it cooked on the spot and it was amazing.

958
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: So we had a chef on the boat and it

959
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: was incredible. And of course one of my closest friends

960
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: is aren'ts J. That is a full and a half J.

961
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: That's way too much energy to be on the boat,

962
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: way too much energy. So he has and there is

963
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: a little anecdote there, there's a little trip. He has

964
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: actually helped me and home my offshore saltwater fishing skills.

965
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: So you're always learning something new and fishing and you'll

966
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: never master the fishing game totally because there's so many

967
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: different ways to catch finish. But he actually taught me

968
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: a lot about off shore fishing. As a matter of fact,

969
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I'll be with him Monday with full or four team gentlemen,

970
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: A bunch of us brothers get together man and we

971
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: do this annual trip is fishing fund and fellowship on

972
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty five ft y'all and we have a

973
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: chef and U. All we do is fish and of

974
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: course we're gonna climb absolutely that that's the m O

975
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: and he's a good athlete too, and as well as

976
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: if you talk as a farmer track star as well.

977
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: So so you had a lot of kinship out there

978
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: with these jumpmen. But again, a fishing story with Rodney

979
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: Green Runne is always like a reminisce. I hope when

980
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: I interview man, it's like I just it's just a

981
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: natural storytelling conversation. We have it on my show because

982
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: you're motivating. You are special, because you're you're you're an

983
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: effective talent, well known talent or star in an area

984
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: that not many people through our color are stars. So

985
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: that makes you unique and special. Don't never forget that

986
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: and keep understanding that when you come on my show,

987
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: you're just a powerful motivational tool that I use to

988
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: encourage others to say you can do that too. Thank

989
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: you for coming on Money Making Conversations master Class. Thank

990
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: you for Sean. I appreciate it so much. I always

991
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: remember leave with your gifts, keep winning. I'm your host,

992
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. If you want to hear any of these interviews,

993
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,759
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994
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: listening to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Always

995
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Speaker 1: remember to lead with your gifts. Money Making Conversations Masterclass

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Speaker 1: is a presentation of thirty fifteen Media Incorporated. You are

997
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Speaker 1: now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration

998
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Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Hi Roshan McDonald for Money Making Conversations

999
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Speaker 1: Masterclass with your daily minute of Inspiration. This week I

1000
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Speaker 1: said down with New Birth Missionary Baptist Church senior pastor

1001
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Speaker 1: and more Hall's graduate, Dr Jamal Bryant. He explained the

1002
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Speaker 1: role the church can play in unearthened financial literacy for

1003
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: communities that are slow to circulate the dollar. I would

1004
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: think the deficit of the Black Church in large measure

1005
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: is when the Black Church speaks about economics, we only

1006
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Speaker 1: do it in terms of asking people for their time,

1007
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: asking for him per cent, but never show people how

1008
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Speaker 1: to multiply the nightety and other fake. Part and parcel

1009
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Speaker 1: of my responsibility as pastor is to talk about how

1010
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: do we manage our revenue and so when we talk

1011
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: about economic development, it's got to be not just a

1012
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Speaker 1: campaign but in mind. If you want to hear this

1013
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Speaker 1: four interview with Dr Jamal Bryant is available on money

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