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Speaker 1: Oh hey, welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective,

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Speaker 1: episode one oh four. To be exact, we're hearing Bozon

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Speaker 1: Nat and the Meat Eater Studios to bring to you

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Speaker 1: a very important contest. That's a contest for our poetic reviews.

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of you reviewed our show with five stars and

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Speaker 1: wrote beautiful pros. You set words to song, you wrote

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Speaker 1: original works of art. So much, Phil, so much to

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Speaker 1: go over again. Just as with the drawings, I am

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Speaker 1: baffled by the response. Baffled in a positive way. In

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Speaker 1: a positive way. Phil try to say before we hit

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Speaker 1: record that he was telling Tracy Crane crazy Train, that

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Speaker 1: don't be nervous about your performance because no one cares.

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Speaker 1: And of course on your behalf listener, I jumped on

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Speaker 1: his ship and told him absolutely, people care. This is

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Speaker 1: the only thing they care about. I was convinced faith, family, THC.

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Speaker 1: So we got that coming to you. We had like

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Speaker 1: a thirty five minute American Idol style performance piece with

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Speaker 1: your poems, so we put as much time as we

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Speaker 1: could into the work that you submitted. So you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear that in a moment. Also, you know, we got

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Speaker 1: a little scuttle but from last week's episode that we

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Speaker 1: picked a turkey call winner who didn't do a very

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Speaker 1: good turkey call. Did you get some response a little bit?

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Speaker 1: People like what the hell man um? And as I

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Speaker 1: said on the last episode, sometimes creativity wins the day.

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Speaker 1: And then this case, in Greg Morris's case, creativity one

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Speaker 1: that day. But as an homage to all of you

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Speaker 1: who sent in audio, we have I put it together

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Speaker 1: a little medley of all your best turkey calls. So

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Speaker 1: stick around for the very end of the episode and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get that and hope you enjoy it because

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Speaker 1: there's so many there's little kids, there's people in a car,

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Speaker 1: clearly a couple of them are drunk. It's it's it's entertaining,

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Speaker 1: so you're gonna like it at the end of this episode.

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Speaker 1: And then we got Rob Greenfield. Rob Greenfield is a

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Speaker 1: definitely a YouTube personality's environmentalist. He's done a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of things to catch attention for environmental issues. But the

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Speaker 1: thing we're gonna be talking about because he went a

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Speaker 1: whole year without eating any industrialized food, meaning he did

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Speaker 1: most everything on his own and including and including trap

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Speaker 1: all different types of things you're gonna hear from Rob Greenfield,

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Speaker 1: So stick around for that. But it's a jam packed

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Speaker 1: episode of th HC. So episode one oh four coming

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Speaker 1: right at you. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode one oh

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Speaker 1: four of The Hunting Collective, A very special episode. Right

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Speaker 1: the Tracy gonna get your mic in front of your face.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I a lot of energy in

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Speaker 1: the room, right everybody. Well, I'm feeling it. I'm feeling right.

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Speaker 1: Bring that closer. Spencer, You're gonna need to get that

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Speaker 1: We've we've all already had influence of every letter. How

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Speaker 1: many people in here you had had had the flu?

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Speaker 1: We know, Phil, don't raise your hand. People can't see

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Speaker 1: it present Phil Spencer and I healthy is a fiddle?

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Speaker 1: Maybe fit as a fiddle, healthy as an ox, maybe

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Speaker 1: a fiddling ox. We don't know. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: to get to. We got absolutely a ton to get

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Speaker 1: to here on today's show. But as you all well know,

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Speaker 1: we we've been through two of our contests from episode one.

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Speaker 1: A B. Rich One for his illustration of Phill the

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Speaker 1: Engineer well deserved. Well deserved, and Greg Morris won for

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Speaker 1: his turkey calling, which was kind of deserved, terrible but creative.

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Speaker 1: His video really won the day. He had a picture

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Speaker 1: of my dead hamster Squeakers, and that's part of the

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Speaker 1: here for these contests. Now we're going to do Yanni Patellis,

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Speaker 1: find him and grind him giveaway, and that means that

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Speaker 1: the winner of this contest that we're about to decide

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Speaker 1: Vortex tend By forty two buyos. They're gonna win a

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Speaker 1: Western meat grinder, right seth find him and grind and

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Speaker 1: find him and grind him. Yeah, he's not here with

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Speaker 1: us today, but I'm going to be injecting some of

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Speaker 1: his laughter into the show. Allah the Mediator podcast some

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Speaker 1: months ago, so it's like it's Joe. Yeah, It's like

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Speaker 1: the Yanni Hotels find him in grinding give we now

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Speaker 1: Joe and I joking a test. We spent most of

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Speaker 1: Friday going through hundreds of poems. Yes, we definitely did hundreds,

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Speaker 1: Then there's so many that are set to song, which

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Speaker 1: you guys are gonna do the poem. This would be

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Speaker 1: like a poetry reading, and then you're representing the person

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Speaker 1: win because we're all going to vote after Tracy looks

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Speaker 1: discutologies in advance. I think Tracy's gonna do the best.

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Speaker 1: She's been so nervous all day long. We have Katie

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Speaker 1: hype man Kylie Archer, also a hype man woman, hype woman,

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Speaker 1: just dreading this for some time, just weeks that hasn't

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Speaker 1: really been weeks, but the anxiety is real. Have you

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Speaker 1: been sleeping hardly bad? She said? She listened to it

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Speaker 1: over earlier, just almost in tears. Better to know that

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Speaker 1: this does not matter at all, not at all. That

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Speaker 1: makes it even worse, don't It does matter because this

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Speaker 1: kind person sore normal, so sore no more, submitted an

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Speaker 1: awesome entry, and his his winning has weighted on my

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Speaker 1: shoulders because there's some good prizes. These are serious prizes.

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Speaker 1: This is this is, this is binos and a meat grinder.

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Speaker 1: My just my musical reputation, which is a very big deal. Yea,

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Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of It doesn't matter, Phil, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this giveaway to find someone's success, this fault or you're right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hi didn't. Phil didn't think anybody listened to the show

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Speaker 1: that's that's my secret. Though. You gotta read one. So

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Speaker 1: everybody here, we got seven people in the room, we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Now Katie, could you give me and

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Speaker 1: Everybody who wrote their poetic reviews has given us their Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: have their names most times we have their handles, but

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Speaker 1: So we have a varied slate of performers here today.

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Speaker 1: We'll start off by the flip flop Flesher. Yes, sir, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot of pressure myself personally on your behalf.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna do your poetic review. You're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: People in out here. They're all they're all sick. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You have Bismarck Keys just a friend? Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Am I correct about that? You are correct? Man, You've

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Speaker 1: tell us who this is for? Who are you performing for?

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Speaker 1: Jake Schuer, Ja, Jake Schuer Give him a follow, all right,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, ye all right? Have you ever heard of pod?

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Speaker 1: You tried to rate but a hundred episodes they made

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Speaker 1: Now listen up, it's a pod. You need to here.

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Speaker 1: Oh you got what I need? You ain't being hunting yet.

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Speaker 1: You ain't been hunting yet. You got what I need?

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Speaker 1: What you ain't being hunting yet? You ain't being hunting yet.

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Speaker 1: That's it, folks, That's what I'm talking about. That was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Is that? What stars feel like? That's like American Idol?

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Speaker 1: For US Corinth? It is by A Miller's life's life

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Speaker 1: is what you get, No, relief is what you get

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Speaker 1: when you listen. Ben brings some sense in a world

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Speaker 1: full of vision going alright. The last verse, okay, to

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Speaker 1: the world of podcast is where they listen stretch out

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Speaker 1: your mind while Ben is interviewing Hunting Hunting Collective, The Hunting,

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective. Word to Ranella. Peace done, Sarry Miller's

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Speaker 1: life a few times. Great, well done. That's a good beat.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it, alright, who's next, Joe? You want to go.

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Speaker 1: NeXT's singing, it's just reading. You should probably keep the

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Speaker 1: his ass. Oh Phil, you're a man with a soft,

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Speaker 1: Joe fair Night will let you go first. Who is

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Speaker 1: There's no way to know. That's great every time it happens. Alright, Seth,

419
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: we got one vote for my guy, Um, yeah, tough,

420
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: A lot of good ones, a lot of good ones. Um.

421
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Spencer's. It was very artful. It

422
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: made me feel something. Uh, the fellow who wrote it

423
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: did his research. I feel, Um, I like Johnny Cash,

424
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: I like Spencer's voice. Would it make you feel different

425
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: if you knew that he was from Montana and he

426
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: didn't do research? Maybe a little bit, But I'm not

427
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: gonna think that evening. I'd like to give him the

428
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: benefit of down Joe. Alright, t Crane. So I'm gonna

429
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: give a winner for the for the the submission, but

430
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: then I'm also going to give a performance winner. Okay,

431
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: even though the performer doesn't really want anything, I still

432
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: feel like it. It merits what's wide open? You can't

433
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: take yourself, Tracy Crane the award for most Improved from

434
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: zero to zero point one. I'm gonna go I'm gonna

435
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: go screw you Phil. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

436
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go flip flop flasher for the

437
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: fucking perform Yes, sir, nothing better than that. I will

438
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: watch that on video many times. Yes, yes, all right,

439
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: So there's one vote for Phil and me and wait

440
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: there I did pretty good. I was having I was nervous,

441
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: like I should have got some water. Yeah, your hand

442
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: was shakings in the face. Hot my god. All right,

443
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: these lights brighter, they seem the center of attention. I

444
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: don't manufacture ways to be the center attention. Are you

445
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: talking about? What are you talking about? All right? Uh? Baritone?

446
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: I like all the music ones, but I would vote

447
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: for seth yes, yes, and now we have like four man. Yeah,

448
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: this might have to come down to the listeners. Give

449
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: us one more, give it to us. Oh yeah, And

450
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: that's the start of it. Just so solid. We're not

451
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: going to do another one and done, one and done.

452
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: We can't. I can't. I don't. I don't feel like

453
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: what I just did. It's a snowflake. There's only one

454
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, but Phil has what we need. Phil.

455
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: We have four different, four different votes thus far, and

456
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: you and I are set to uh do something about it.

457
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: So you go next, and my vote counts for ten

458
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: as always. Yes, as we all know, I am crane

459
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: back Karn. You gotta vote. You didn't even hear him all,

460
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: did you? Oh she has to go. She's miming. We'll

461
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: cut this all out, all right, Phil, yeah, all the

462
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: pressures on you. I'm torn. I'm torn between two okay,

463
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: the shortest one and the longest one opposite the spectrum. Yes,

464
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: I relate to the subject matter of Spencer's obviously murdering me. Yack,

465
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: you keep inviting me and to go ice fishing, even

466
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: had ice fish. I got sharpening a knife. I looked

467
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: it up in this author's from Pennsylvania. Another double a

468
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: double vote for you. Yeah, I'm very happy with my decisions.

469
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: A question about yours band ahead. I'm looking at the

470
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: paper and it looks like it was emailed to you.

471
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: Was this a part of a five to our review

472
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: or was it just emails? He said, my damn review

473
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: is not showing up in iTunes. Emailing you this because

474
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time on it. I haven't

475
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: double checked. I bet it it showed up over time.

476
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: People A lot of people send in like, hey, it's

477
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: not showing up, but it takes a while. Sometimes I

478
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: do appreciate phils thoroughness. We had to go through a

479
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: lot of emails too, though. Yeah, there was a lot

480
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: of people. A lot of people were being because they

481
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: work a lot, spent a lot of time that they

482
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I saw and like I said earlier,

483
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: this is very important. So I'm just trying to spend

484
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: as much time as as is deserved. Um, Ben, what

485
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: was the author of yours? Ben Callahan? Oh, that's right,

486
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: that's right. Middle name, be honest, Ben, Ben Callahan. You

487
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: had the best moment with the email ding. Yeah, but

488
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I gotta give it to Spencer, and then nice got

489
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: a leader. We got a leader in the clubhouse, which

490
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: means all I can do is make a tie and

491
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: then we'll have to go back and round and vote,

492
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: and because we always need more content, just this about

493
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: thirty minutes right now. I gosh, I gotta say my

494
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: favorite performance was the flip Flop Pleasure. Absolutely, it was amazing.

495
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: My least favorite performance, just kidding, yeah, freaking bring it on, man,

496
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: And when you asked me to do a favor again,

497
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you know what the ad is gonna be. My least

498
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: favorite performance was my own Ben get safe man, Well,

499
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: can you get put a drum roll in there? I'll

500
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: put in the drum roll here. I usually need at

501
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: least two because I keep talking. I got a vote

502
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: for myself, which means it's a tie between Spencer yeah,

503
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: trying to milk this for all it's worth. Baby. So

504
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: there's a tie between Spencer and myself, Ben Callahan and

505
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: a dad outdoor right, yes, what's his name? Scott Scott

506
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: care of Land. So we're gonna do one more lap

507
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: around the table, more lap around the table between those two,

508
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: between those two, seth make it quick, Scott Scott, Scott Scott,

509
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: Send Scott Scott, Ben Scott Scott wins. Welcome, Congratulations, I said,

510
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: welcome him, you found him in your ground him, But

511
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: well done, well done. That really didn't make me feel

512
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: so like a shiver went up my spun. Beautifully written,

513
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: well done, well done to everybody. We got hundreds of

514
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: these things. I don't know. I couldn't even count them all, um,

515
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: but you guys took it seriously. I wanted to make

516
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: sure we took it seriously. So we did. And here

517
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: we are, so thank you for everybody. Round of applause

518
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: for all our performers as well as our winner, Scott.

519
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: And he's what's his instagram? A period day at period

520
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: outdoors Boom, get in there and follow that. See what's up, creativity.

521
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: We were gonna do some other We're gonna talk about

522
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: some other things. But we're what forty minutes in Yeah,

523
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: almost Yes, skip that and we're gonna get right to

524
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: our interview portion of the show, which has absolutely nothing

525
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: to do with this at all. As as has become tradition,

526
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: has become tradition on TC we have Rob Greenfield. Now.

527
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: Rob Greenfield is a man that lived off only food

528
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: he grew uh and produced himself. So he didn't eat

529
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: anything that came from the industrialized society of America for

530
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: one whole year. So he thought, we're talking about getting

531
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: salt from the ocean. Wow, anything you can think of.

532
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: So he was formerly a vegan, did this and decided

533
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: he had to eat some road killed deer, trap some squirrels. Um.

534
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty interesting look at how we consume

535
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: and also just like the cool things you figure out

536
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: when you have to do it. So there's a lot

537
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: of cool tips and tricks in this interview. UM. So

538
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy Rob Greenfield. Hey, Rob, how's it going?

539
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: Many good man? How are you? I'm pretty good. I

540
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: was just telling you it's snowy and bows me in

541
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: a snow squall this morning, but you are somewhere I

542
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's snowing right. No, Costa Rica, it's been

543
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: n I I need degrees every day for the last three

544
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and a half weeks. That's I guess that ain't bad.

545
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: We'll take it here February around these parts gets get

546
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: to be tough. But what are you doing, Costa Rica. Um?

547
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: I'm on a speaking tour for the year right now.

548
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: I left the United States three and a half weeks ago,

549
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: and I won't be back in the States until about

550
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: the first one So I'm I'll be giving talks in

551
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: about thirty countries around the world. UM. And then of

552
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: course enjoying the natural world everywhere I go, hopefully, and

553
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, meeting people and just learning, learning everywhere I

554
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: go as I as I share information as well. Yeah.

555
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: What what are your generally your topics when you traveling

556
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: and you change it per country or do you always

557
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: have kind of a refrain? Um? Basically, my number one

558
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: theme is how to not destroy the world and also

559
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: common sense. I'm just trying to bring some basic common

560
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: sense back into our society that this earth is This

561
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: earth is the only one that we that we have

562
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: as far as we know, and there's seven billion of

563
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: us and we've got to work together too to make

564
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: this all work. And you know, we've got to understand

565
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: the earth and the natural cycles of it and work

566
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: with it rather than work against it. So I do

567
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: give talks on many different things, but it all comes

568
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: back to that basic connection to the the world we

569
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: live on, into the people that we share the earth

570
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: within the other species. That's great I had. I've had

571
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: multiple listeners of this show. UM prefer you and send

572
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: me links of stuff that you've done and and so um,

573
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember the names of the folks that have

574
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: sent him, but thanks to that, because I started watching

575
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: your videos and reading your stuff, and then it's it's

576
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: little short of inspiring. And we we've in the last

577
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: couple episodes started bring people on that that don't necessarily

578
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: sit you know, say nothing wrong with a professor or

579
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: an intellectual, but try to bring people on that are

580
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: not only talking about these issues, but they're out there

581
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: living it and doing something about it. And I think, Um,

582
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: I think what you did over a year's time, uh

583
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: fits totally into that. So can you briefly say, tell

584
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: tell everybody kind of what the idea was by forging

585
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: all of your own foraging and growing and I guess

586
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: also been killing all your own food for a year. Uh,

587
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: where the hell that idea come from? Yeah, it's kind

588
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: of funny for me to be on the media podcast

589
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: because I was. I was actually vegan, you know, for

590
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: two years from two thousand, two thousand and sixteen. And

591
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm not the standard. I'm not the standard

592
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: person for the media the podcast because I also I

593
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: haven't done an incredible amount of hunting. I wouldn't consider

594
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: myself a hunter. Actually, however, you know, my recent project

595
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: really immersed me in that for one year, I grew

596
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: in forage of my food, So no grocery stores, no restaurants,

597
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: you know, nothing package or processed or ship long distances.

598
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: And when I say growing foraged of my food, I

599
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: truly mean it down to the salt, down to rendering

600
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: the oil. Um, you know, gifts. You know, I couldn't

601
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: eat at someone else's top or party. No, you know,

602
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: a little scraps left over from a meal, or like

603
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: literally a hundred percent of my food for an entire year.

604
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: And of course that meant immersing with animals too, because

605
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: the reality is that, you know, so many of us

606
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: are so disconnected from our food because of our current

607
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: global industrial food system that makes it it makes it

608
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: easy to be disconnected it to our food and and

609
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: actually it wants us to be disconnected so that we'll

610
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: just buy whatever they're trying to sell. But the more

611
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: you connect with your food and you actually procurate yourself,

612
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that you see is

613
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: that that these systems are animals and plants and there

614
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: is no separation. And it's been an amazing immersion of

615
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: just you know, just just connecting in a way where

616
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: you start to see things that the average person just

617
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: never sees. When they can get salt at the grocery store,

618
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: they can get their oil at the very least, but

619
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: in the reality, almost everything is coming in a packet

620
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: shipped around the world. Yeah, it's it's a I think

621
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: that we've been we've been covering this on the show

622
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways kind of because my philosophy,

623
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: or it's at least how I feel and what it

624
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: has done. My hunting is kind of bled into all

625
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: these other things that I want to do. Started with gardening,

626
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: and then it started looking at you know, how I

627
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: consume and what comes into my house and what goes

628
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: out and composting and all these different things that honey

629
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: was the starting point for me, is obviously it wasn't

630
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: for you. You kind of were a little bit reversed

631
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: before we get into all the things you did in

632
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: that year and all the i'm sure crazy stories that

633
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: came from it. When did you first realize that that

634
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: hunting could be some small part of what you did

635
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: or or was an option for you within within this project. Well,

636
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting because you know, as I said,

637
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: I was vegan for two years, and I was influenced

638
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: by some documentaries like Cow Spiracy for example. And I'm

639
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: generally very much a critical thinker and problem solver. You know,

640
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm an ego scout. So I spent seven years of

641
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: my of my life really practicing resourcefulness and and the

642
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: basic skills and um, and I'm not generally a very

643
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: black and white thinker. I realized that things are very

644
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: much great, that there is no black and white on

645
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: this unearthed unearthed and but some of these documentaries were

646
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: so well made that basically like how Specs, it caught

647
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: me in this place where I saw how how messed

648
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: up factory farming was, and they pitched it in a

649
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: such a way that it actually made me go from

650
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: the extreme of eating the factory farm meat to the

651
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: extreme of saying, no animal products. You know, no meat,

652
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: no dairy is okay at all. And well, I can't

653
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: say I was never that extreme. But the thing was,

654
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I was living in the city San Diego, seventh largest

655
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: city in the country, so I was mostly shopping at

656
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: the grocery store. Hunting was not really a thing. I

657
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: still occasionally went and caught a fish at the pier um,

658
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: but but basically I did go into this short period

659
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: of sort of black and white thinking where it's you know,

660
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: this or that period. And then and then the more

661
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: that I looked in the permaculture, and the more that

662
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: I actually went to the farms that produced my vegetables,

663
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: and the more that I really immersed in our food system,

664
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: the more that I realized, oh, actually, there's nothing that

665
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: is good or bad. Most things have their you know,

666
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: their detriments, and and and so then I started to

667
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: learn about regenerative agriculture. And then, of course, you know,

668
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: with this year of growing and foraging my food, I've

669
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: been researching, researching the humans connection to food for you know,

670
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: close to a decade now, and I just don't see

671
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: examples of humanity ever existing in harmony with the earth

672
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: in a way that didn't involve animals. And so to

673
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: live off the land, to live without grocery stores, to

674
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: live without industrialization, UM, I see no post ability that

675
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: that can really be done except for some maybe very

676
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: rare circumstances which I still haven't found um at all.

677
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: So that you know, for me, that was just one

678
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: of the reasons why, of course animals were going to

679
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: be a part of this year of growing and foraging

680
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: all my food. Yeah, and I think for for that's,

681
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: like I said, the journey that I've kind of going on,

682
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: and folks that listen to the show of going on

683
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: is really that we've we've talked about regenerative agriculture on

684
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: the show. We've talked about a lot of these. We

685
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: talked about monoculture, crops and our impacts and our disconnection

686
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: from food UM and hunting being kind of like personal medicine.

687
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 1: When it comes to that, it certainly isn't. UM. There's

688
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: no way that we can all hunt and fish for

689
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: our food. It just wouldn't work. There's too many people,

690
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: not enough animals, and we can never maintain. So we

691
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: know that honey, is this like incredibly personal thing that

692
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: does solve a lot of those problems? Is that kind

693
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: of how it felt for you during that time, during

694
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: that Yeah, Yeah, And you know what of interesting things

695
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: is you look at anything and you say, well, everybody

696
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: can't do this. Otherwise it wouldn't work if everybody decided

697
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to go hunting today, and in North America,

698
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: of course it wouldn't work. But you look at the alternative.

699
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Every everybody, most everybody right now is on the industrial

700
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: food system, and what is that doing? Well? Ten thousand

701
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: species are going extinct per year. The thing about hunting

702
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: and fishing and foraging is that now we actually see

703
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: our relationships to the land and we see that if

704
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: we overharvest that there's depletion, and that you know, you

705
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: can have not just depletion, but extinction. However, nobody ever says, well,

706
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: what if everybody eats from the industrial food system, we

707
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: continue to get what we're already getting, which is literally

708
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: ten thousand species going extinct per year, far more than

709
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: hunting is actually doing. So it's just been a really

710
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: interesting thing. Is that you know, again, like we often

711
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: we often look at things in black and white, but

712
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: and we think that we look at when we do

713
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: decide to take responsibility, then we actually see that the downsides.

714
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: But when we when we don't take responsibility, then we

715
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: actually don't see that. Well in that way, that's not

716
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: sustainable either. Yeah, for sure. When you so, when where

717
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: were you in your life and kind of what did

718
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: your life look like when you decided to Because I

719
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: know you've done a lot of other projects to bring

720
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: attention to the issues you care about. Where were you

721
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: exactly in your life when you decided I'm gonna do this,

722
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this year and I'm gonna I'm gonna

723
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: completely disconnect from industrial food. Yeah, so it's it is

724
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: something that I was fascinated with for quite a while,

725
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: since the beginning of realizing the realities of our industrial

726
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: food system. I had that question, you know, would it

727
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: be possible to actually step away from this and actually

728
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: produce and forage and and hunt a hundred percent of

729
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: my own food. But I was a traveler at that time,

730
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: um I lived in When I lived in San Diego

731
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: for five years, I traveled for about six of the

732
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: months per year. So actually doing it was just not

733
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: something I was going to be able to do because

734
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: you have to you have to have a somewhat stationary life. Um.

735
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: But finally it was in two thousand and seventeen when

736
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: I decided I'm gonna do this. You know, I have

737
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: to see if it's possible and not. You know, I

738
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: wanted to see if it was possible. That was my

739
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: big question. Can it be done? Of course it could

740
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: be done in the past, you know, humanity did this

741
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: for the majority of the existence of humanity. But it's

742
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: it's two thousand twenty now, it's the twenty one century

743
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: in the world is a different place. So I wanted

744
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: to see can it be done in the society, and

745
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: also wanted to use it as a way to get

746
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: people thinking about about food where it comes from. But then,

747
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: of course the other big thing is that I just

748
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: love this is what I love. I loved I love

749
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: connecting to the land. I love you know, growing and

750
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: foraging and however sing my own food. And so for

751
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: me it was also just gonna be a big break

752
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: from the computer and the business and the moving to

753
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: just just you know, you live the simple life and

754
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: and connect deeply with with every bike that I ate,

755
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: and so what did you have to do to get

756
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: stable and get settled down so you can start to

757
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: set this all up. It was a lot of work. Um.

758
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, most people who would do something like this

759
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: would already have probably their hunting grounds. They might have

760
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: a you know, an acre of land where they're growing

761
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: their food. Uh, you know, maybe they have they know

762
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: the area really well because they've lived there for years

763
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: or decades. But for me, I arrived in Orlando with

764
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: everything that I owned fitting into my backpack, owning no land,

765
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: and actually having no place to live. So I started

766
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: from absolute scratch, and I started by turning front yards

767
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: in the garden. So I took sandy front yards because

768
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: Florida used to be under the ocean, so it's it's

769
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: basically straight sand in a lot of areas. So I

770
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: turned front yards into gardens, and I started going out

771
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: taking foraging classes. There's a local multiple local foragers, but

772
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: there's one named Green Dean whose website is eat the

773
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Weeds dot com. And so I went out with foragers.

774
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: I went to local gardening classes. I picked up all

775
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the local books that I could find on foraging and growing.

776
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: I plugged into basically all the local resources, the people

777
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: that had been doing it in this area for years

778
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: or decades, and I had those learned from scratch because

779
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: I had done very little growing or no, I had

780
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: never grown anything in the state of Florida. I had

781
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: foraged nothing or almost nothing. And the only thing that

782
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I had done is in the past. I would go

783
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: to Florida to fish growing up with my dad, so

784
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: I had fish to fair bit in Florida. I was

785
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: familiar with the Intracoastal Waterway and fishing for stiech out

786
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: and redfish and mullet and things like that. So I

787
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: had that experiences going for me. But besides that, I

788
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: was very much starting from from scraps there. Yeah, I

789
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. I was reading the thing that said

790
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: you grew in fords like three different types of foods

791
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: or somewhere in that number, and you had to I

792
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: can't imagine. You've got salt from the ocean, coconuts from

793
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: the beach, you caught fish, you had herbs from your garden. Um.

794
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: I imagine that has to be a pretty weighty enterprise,

795
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: just trying to think of all the things you actually

796
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: have to do. Yeah, I mean just trying to figure

797
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: it out in itself was a deep level of research

798
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: and time, just trying to figure out, Okay, how do

799
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: I get my calories, how do I get my fat

800
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: and protein? How do I get my nutrients, all my

801
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: vitamins and minerals because I wasn't taking any supplements of

802
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: vitamins and medicine too. I you know, grew in for

803
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: as of my own medicine. So looking into the medicinal

804
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: plants in the area. Of course, I'm a big believer

805
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: in the saying, you know, let the food be die

806
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: medicine and medicine, but be that food. Everything that you

807
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: eat from the land is a form of medicine. Putting

808
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: help the food into your body is a form of medicine,

809
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: and not putting process junk in your body and itself

810
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: is a form of medicine. Um. But yeah, it was.

811
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: It was so much work to learn all of it

812
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: and um to get it going. And my goal was

813
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: that it would take me six months from the day

814
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: that I arrived in Florida to when I started so

815
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: go from zero percent to six months, and it ended

816
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: up being ten months. So I arrived in Florida on

817
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: December sevent and I started on November eleven, so about

818
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: about ten months after I planted my first seed, I

819
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: launched into it. It and you know, that was my

820
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: first actually my first meal ever that I grew in for.

821
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: It was my first meal of the year on November eleven,

822
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: So I really launched into the deep end on that

823
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: first day. You're lucky you had the Florida growing season

824
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: and not maybe not the Montana growing season. It would

825
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: have been tougher. Um. So what during that those those

826
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: months where you're trying to get this, you have any

827
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: crazy stories or you know, huge failures or are things

828
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: you just didn't anticipate while trying to set up a

829
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: sustainable life like this. Yeah, I mean I ran into

830
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of hoocups. I'm actually writing the book about

831
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: it right now, and so I'm reading my journals. I'm

832
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: just seeing, wow, was I going through it? I Mean,

833
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: there were just so many many disasters and you know,

834
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: destructions in the garden um and just it's amazing, you know,

835
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: looking back on it. Part of me looking back kind

836
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: of feels like, yeah, it was kind of easy, like

837
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: it it doesn't feel like a big deal. But after

838
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: reading my journals, I was just seeing that I was

839
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: just going through one challenge after another and just making

840
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: it through because I had no other options, because I

841
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: said I was going to do this, and I was

842
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: gonna do it. But a couple of things that come

843
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: to mind. In Florida, we have wild yams and they're

844
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: an escaped species of cultivation. The species, the genus and

845
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: species is Diascoria a latta. They mostly come from Asia,

846
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: so they're they're very much a normal, you know, standard

847
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: Asian cuisine. And these aren't the like christ and Thanksgiving

848
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: yams that that are orange and looked just like sweet potatoes.

849
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: These are these bold, you know, big bulby looking things

850
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: that at the store can be ten or twenty pounds each,

851
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: but in the wild they can get up to a

852
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: hundred fifty pounds. I had learned, so I was just

853
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: after these yams because I mean, just think about that.

854
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: That's a hundred fifty pounds is the equivalent of thirty

855
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: five pound bags of potatoes. That's some serious sustenance from

856
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: one yam. So I actually found a spot where I

857
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: dug one up and it was twenty five pounds. It

858
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: was the first one I ever dug up, and I

859
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: looked at the vines in the area. It was this

860
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: little sort of ravine, and I figured that there was

861
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: probably a thousand pounds there. So I figured I had

862
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: found my calorie gold mine. I had my you know,

863
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: calorie bank right in this one spot. There was only

864
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: a three mile bike ride from my house, and so

865
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: I was excited about that. And it was a couple

866
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: of months before the project started. I think I bike

867
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: passed it and I see the whole thing has been bulldozed,

868
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, you gotta be kidding me, Like,

869
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: there goes something that I was not fully banking on,

870
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: but it was. It was a potential for there was

871
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: a potential for hundreds of meals. Um. Now, luckily the

872
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: ms were all under the ground and and I didn't

873
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: notice at the time, but they all ended up coming

874
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: back so they didn't damage the MS and my calorie

875
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: sources there. Um. That was definitely one of those, you

876
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: know moments that I felt a near disaster, but but

877
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: nature came through well. And I imagine just just on

878
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: that point, relying on your you're relying on what surround you, right,

879
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: relying on nature. And if you're relying on it, how

880
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: can you not come like have a better value of it,

881
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: and actually a tangible value of it. Not just I

882
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: really love this place, but I really love this place

883
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: for what it's doing for me. I imagine that among

884
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: the many things was was something you learned. It is

885
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: a whole It is a whole different way of looking

886
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: at things when you're when you're truly dependent on the land.

887
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean as a as a some man who's fished

888
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: since eight years old, so you know, for twenty five years.

889
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: I really gained a different connection with fishing now because

890
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, when I was growing up,

891
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: I mostly fished for fun. We ate some fish, but

892
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: we mostly fished for fun um. And I never needed

893
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: almost never. Of the thousand times that I went fishing,

894
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: probably I never needed fish or would go hungry um.

895
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: But during this project, a lot of times when I

896
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: would travel, I didn't have fish with me. I didn't

897
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: have a protein source with me. I depended on being

898
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: successful at fishing. Otherwise it was eating lots of sweet

899
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: potatoes or sometimes not having enough food at all. So

900
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: the interesting thing was now when I was dependent upon it.

901
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: It seemed that I considered myself a pretty good fisherman

902
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: before and during this project, I really questioned whether I

903
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: was a good fisherman at all, because it's it really

904
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: it really changed. It really changed things because now you

905
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: needed more consistent success. And what I saw was that

906
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I think in the past, I remembered the good days

907
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: of fishing, and I didn't remember all the days I

908
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: got skunk. But now I remember the days that I

909
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: that I got skunks because it mattered. And then one

910
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: of the one other really interesting thing, you know, one

911
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: of the most one of the most challenging days of

912
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: this whole year. It was about halfway through the project,

913
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: and I was actually kind of deficient and fat and

914
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: protein because I wasn't being successful with catching enough fish.

915
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: And I it was the area where I was lacking,

916
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: and I was up fishing with my friend in Wisconsin.

917
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: I took a trip up there and I caught about

918
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: it twenty pound lake trout, so I think that would

919
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: be considered a trophy lake trout. It was maybe thirty

920
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: five inches. It was it was like that it was

921
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: the lake shout of a lot of people's dreams as

922
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: far as trying to catch a trophy. And I wasn't

923
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: after a trophy. I wanted to catch the food. I

924
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: desperately needed some fat and some protein, and this lake

925
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: shout was the perfect source of fat. I mean, these

926
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: things are just like tanks of fat swimming through the water.

927
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: And I asked Ben, I say, what would you do

928
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: with this fish? And he says, I would let it go?

929
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: And for me, that's generally was my thought too, because

930
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: this is a fish that can breed. It's it's it's

931
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: to that size where it's a you know, it's a

932
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: mega breeder. It can put out so much fun. And

933
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: so I let this thing go. Even though I was

934
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I was literally like so in this was the this

935
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: was everything that I needed to solve my problems. And

936
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: I let it go. And then two hours later Ben

937
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: looks at me and he's like, you know, you asked

938
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: me what I would do with this fish, and I

939
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: said let it go? But did you mean were you

940
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: asking me if you should let it go? And I

941
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: was like yeah, and he was like, oh, man, I

942
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: never would have said that you need that. If you

943
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: need that meat, you should have kept it. And it

944
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: hurt for days because I really did need it. And

945
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: it was just a whole different way of looking at fishing.

946
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: And of course I you know, my goal is to

947
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: release the big ones and keep the small ones. But

948
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: that at the same time I learned that the fishery

949
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: up there nets them indiscriminately, and most of the people

950
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: that are buying Lake Chart at the store, they're all

951
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: eating those big fish. And so for me to have

952
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: eaten that one fish to solve my problem would have

953
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: been would have been totally justified. So that was another

954
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: one of those painful that pain last and for a

955
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: few days I just had a pit in my stomach

956
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: for a few days from that. Well, and it's I've

957
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: always thought that I've always in hunting camp, be the

958
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: guy at the fire, like, man, what if we really

959
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: were hungry? What if we really needed to kill this elk?

960
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: What would we be doing right now? Um? And always

961
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: thought about that, And then that interests me, like in

962
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: indigenous cultures and in some of these hunter gatherer cultures

963
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: that still exist around the world as few as there maybe,

964
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: and always it's interesting to have that feeling. Man, and

965
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: you it sounds like you had it that if you

966
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: didn't get a fish, or if the crop didn't come in,

967
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna suffer, and you're gonna suffer along with with

968
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: the that natural landscape. Yeah. I remember, um, when I

969
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: was up in Wisconsin, it's a city with so many

970
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: deer in the northern Wisconsin is a pretty dear popular state,

971
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: and um, it wasn't deer season, and I would ride

972
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: my bike past the deer and I would just I

973
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: would want I was like thinking about trying to run

974
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: into him with my bike and I was just looking

975
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: at this deer like, Oh, I need to eat you

976
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: so bad, but I um, of course that's ultimately that's

977
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: I did end up eating a few deer that were

978
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: hit by cars. Um, and that ended up being a

979
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: very important form of sustenance for me, was harvesting car

980
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: killed deer. Well, that's that's interesting. Is there any like,

981
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: what were the hunting or the killing of animals that

982
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: you actually did? Did you get Did you kill any

983
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: deer or squirrels or anything like that? Yeah, so squirrel

984
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: That was an interesting start for me. Um. I I

985
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: was in Florida and I was it was I was

986
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: growing some plant based plums of protein. I really wanted

987
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: my own to grow my own peanut butter. I wanted to,

988
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, from scratch, make my own peanut butter. And um,

989
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: also I was growing sunflowers. I can make sunflower butter

990
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: as well and eat sunflowers, and so this was something

991
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: that I was really excited about. I just also love

992
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: peanut butter. It's comfort food for me, so to be

993
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: able to have this was kind of a big deal.

994
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: And honestly, the squirrels just kept getting the best to

995
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: me what they would eat the sunflowers before they were

996
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: even developed, so there wasn't much I could do about it,

997
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: and they would go when I planted the peanuts, they

998
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: would just go from peanuts to peanuts and grab them.

999
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: And so I was having a hard time with these.

1000
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: So for you know, in permoculture, there's a thing and

1001
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: that's you know, let the problem be the solution. So

1002
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: I got myself some trapped and I ate my plant

1003
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: based start the protein. So I turned them into my

1004
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: protein by eating them. But this was tricky because it's

1005
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: not technically legal to trap anything in the city, so

1006
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, I had to be a bit on the

1007
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: sneaky side about about trapping the squirrels in my garden

1008
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: and meeting them. But um, so squirrels were one thing,

1009
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: and then fishing. I did a lot of fishing. Um

1010
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: and then harvesting those deer. And that's the only I

1011
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: don't I never, Oh I did. I did shoot a gun.

1012
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: Um when I was in Wisconsin. I was practicing I

1013
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: was gonna shoot some rabbits. That never got around to

1014
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: it because I ended up getting deer. And then I

1015
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: was actually thinking about a raccoon because I didn't have oil.

1016
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I failed at making coconut oil, and so nine months

1017
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: without oil, uh to cook in and so I had. Yeah,

1018
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: it was just that was difficult. And I talked to

1019
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: someone who said they got a half gallon of fat

1020
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: from one rack, who um by rendering the fact because

1021
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: they have so much. And so I was gonna get

1022
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: a raccoon and um, but actually I just I set

1023
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: the trap and never happened either. So yeah, I certainly

1024
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: ate a lot of eds Benson, but never actually had

1025
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: to hunt for them. And for me, there were so

1026
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: many deer that were hit by cars twenty deer are

1027
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: killed by cars in the state of Wisconsin alone, that

1028
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: I just didn't end up having a need to when

1029
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: I could just harvest them. You're coming out of this,

1030
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: I think we'll go back into some of the more details.

1031
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: But coming out of this what did you feel like, um,

1032
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: that honey would play a bigger part in your life

1033
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: coming out of this, or did you were you inspired

1034
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: by kind of like the connection there or or what

1035
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: was the feeling well in the long term, I am

1036
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: going to I'm actually planning on doing this project again,

1037
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: but in the northern climate. So many people have said

1038
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: that they want to see this and in a place

1039
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: with winters, and enough people have said it that I

1040
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: just they've convinced me I absolutely want to do it.

1041
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: And so as of now, my top choices, uh, Northeast,

1042
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: probably like upstate New York. And I'm actually, for some reason,

1043
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: I have the idea of the Ithaca area in my mind,

1044
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: and so when I'm in the northern climate, I'm certain

1045
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: that hunting is going to be much more a part

1046
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: of the project. In Florida, it just didn't work out. Um.

1047
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know to me personally if I feel

1048
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: much more connected to it. I grew up in Wisconsin,

1049
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: and I feel much more connected to it in the

1050
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: in the multi season climate, in in the you know,

1051
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: decisious forest. I didn't feel really strongly connected to it

1052
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: in Florida. Um, But when I do that up in

1053
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: in a temple in a cold climate, I'm pretty confident

1054
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: it will become more apart um. But you know, honestly,

1055
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: the other thing that's kind of just personally interesting for

1056
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: me is I'm very I'm a very resourceful person, and

1057
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: if there's deer that are perfectly good that they've already

1058
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: been killed and hit by cars, for me, it just

1059
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: makes sense to pick those up rather than go and hunt.

1060
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: A whole lot less energy on your part to go

1061
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: and do it. You don't have to sit at tree

1062
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: stand for three days. Yes, it's less energy, and um,

1063
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: it's a good usage of resources. Um, So it just

1064
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Um. Now, the other thing that

1065
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: really made sense for Florida that I really wanted to

1066
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: do was hunt wild pigs. Yeah, that was my next

1067
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: That was my next question, Like do you had to

1068
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: thought that I was? It was something I was definitely

1069
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: gonna do. And here's the reason that I never got

1070
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: around to it. I had multiple people who are going

1071
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: to take me out hunting, but everybody baited them. And

1072
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: the rule was if I was gonna hunt, if I

1073
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: was gonna bait, I had to grow or for its

1074
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: debate as well, because I couldn't get industrial corn to

1075
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: use to feed the animal or to bring the animal in.

1076
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: So even with fishing, I couldn't buy words, I couldn't

1077
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: buy food to catch my food with my squirrels in

1078
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: the trap, I put my own homegrown sweet potatoes in

1079
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: there for example. UM. So that that's what held me

1080
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: back from the hogs, is that everybody that I had

1081
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: connected to was using baits stands where they you know,

1082
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: they had them on a schedule, and so I couldn't

1083
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: do that. So I was trying to find someone who

1084
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't bait them, and I couldn't find that didn't happen.

1085
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: I know there's people that do it, but I couldn't.

1086
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: So that's what prevented me from getting a pig. But

1087
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: but for me from the get go, I was definitely

1088
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: planning on doing that. Um. The other thing is iguanas

1089
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: I did. I did hunt iguanas prior to the project

1090
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: because they're also invasive in South Florida and and I

1091
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: we ate some of those. But during the year when

1092
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: I did go to hunt iguanas down in South Florida,

1093
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: I caught three of the three days of straight rain,

1094
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: and the iguanas come out when it's sunny, so I

1095
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't get any So so I attempted that you could

1096
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: say that I failed multiple times, multiple times. I am

1097
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: not an experienced hunter, and I failed multiple times at

1098
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: getting myself an animal. It's funny enough, Yeah, I mean,

1099
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm we're at the very tail end of the what

1100
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: they call the shoulder season here in Montana for elk

1101
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: can I haven't filled my elk tag and I'm just

1102
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: thinking my family is not gonna have as much elk

1103
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: as we would want. Now. I'm not in the situation

1104
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: you were in, but it's just a strange feeling because

1105
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: we're just not going to go buy beef. We're not.

1106
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking I was thinking road kill the other day.

1107
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: I was thinking, um, travel in other areas world. We

1108
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: were just talking about going to Texas for access to

1109
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 1: So It's a funny how when you start to rely

1110
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: on this, on this resource, you can't really screw it up.

1111
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: As a hunter, you kind of gotta get get what

1112
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: you can get. The trash can be on when when

1113
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: you're Yeah, whether you're completely forced to or whether it's

1114
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: a matter of ethics and principle, UM, it really plans

1115
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: of things. What did you like you know, obviously everybody's

1116
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna ask you what you learned from this, But but

1117
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: while you were in it, um, how many times did

1118
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: you have to shift your own did you shift your

1119
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: own structure? Because obviously you made up your own rules,

1120
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: you're following your own rules. You have kind of a

1121
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: north star that you're that you're guided by. Was there

1122
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: times where you had to had to give into something

1123
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: or or give up something? Well? Originally, yeah, I mean

1124
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,479
Speaker 1: I will say that the project did go pretty much

1125
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: as planned for the most part, and although it was challenging,

1126
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: it did go about as smooth as I could possibly hope.

1127
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean literally giving up grow stores and restaurants completely

1128
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: and every morsel coming from the land, having never done

1129
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: it before or met someone who had done it before,

1130
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: It did honestly go about as smooth as I had hoped.

1131
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: And I knew there was gonna be challenging and that

1132
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: that was a part of it. Um. But the things

1133
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: that went differently is I definitely burned more fossil fuels

1134
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: than I had intended. I had originally hoped to do

1135
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,520
Speaker 1: as much of this as possible on my bicycle and trailer.

1136
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: I even originally planned to bike to the coast with

1137
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: my you know, sixty miles and rode up on mullet

1138
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: and get you know, fifty or a hundred pounds of

1139
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: mullet and come back. But honestly, the fishing didn't go.

1140
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: I never did as well fishing as I had expected,

1141
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: So it meant I had to go much more often,

1142
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: and um so I ended up definitely driving more than

1143
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: I had intended. And I definitely broke the rules a

1144
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: few times. Like one time, uh in Wisconsin, my friends

1145
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: were doing really well with nightcrawlers and I was spin

1146
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: casting for trout and I just I gave in and

1147
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: I used the nightcrawler and caught a trout that I ate.

1148
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: And so that was one time that I broke my

1149
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: own rules. Um another time, you know, nothing in itself

1150
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: is that hard. It's not that any one thing is

1151
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: that hard, but it's when you're doing everything the amount

1152
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: of time that it takes and energy. That's when you know,

1153
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: people online would often say, well, why didn't you just

1154
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: do this well? Because I was doing a hundred other things.

1155
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: So another rule that another time that I broke was

1156
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: for me. I had to harvest my own wood to smoke.

1157
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: UM fished because the smoke imparted the flavor. And it

1158
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: was also that I, you know, I had to harvest

1159
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: my own flavors, growing harvestrown flavors there. So there was

1160
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: twice where I didn't har This would where a friend

1161
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: where I wasn't a part of that. One time a

1162
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: friend harvested it without me being there. So I that

1163
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: was another example of me breaking my you know, my

1164
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: self guides that I had made. So there was some

1165
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: minor things like that, um. And but other than that,

1166
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't really have to besides minor mistakes or

1167
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: minor things like that, UM. The only time I ate

1168
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: something that that that did come from the grocery store

1169
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: was I think on day sixteen, I took all the

1170
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: food over to my friend's house, um to make dinner

1171
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: for both of us. I brought mullet for the fish.

1172
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: I brought cassava or yuka it's like a potato. I

1173
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: brought the greens and the veggies from my garden. I

1174
01:10:51,479 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: brought um the salt, the herbs, um and pumpkins needs.

1175
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: And so I had everything and we made the meal together.

1176
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: And then she didn't finish her plate, so I ate

1177
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: what was on her plate and after like one or

1178
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: two bites, I realized she had sprinkled her own salt

1179
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: on the plate on the pumpkin seeds, and so I

1180
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: probably had like ten grains ten grains of salt. And

1181
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: that was my big mistake. Happened on sixteen days in

1182
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: and so so technically I didn't make it through the

1183
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: year without an industrial food because of that one mistake.

1184
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're being hard on yourself. Give you pass

1185
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: on a few grains, few grains of salt. It happened.

1186
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: It hurt when it happened, but ultimately it is what

1187
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: it is. You know what. I got a lot of

1188
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: just a lot of questions about the mechanics. I guess

1189
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: I'll start with where A lot of folks be interested

1190
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: when you when you got your row killed deer? Were

1191
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: you making stock? Were you um using the organs? I

1192
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: guess with the road tell might be a little harder

1193
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: for that. But describe how you kind of like utilize

1194
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: the whole animal. Yeah, so if I'm if I was hunting,

1195
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: then I'm going to try to utilize as much of

1196
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: the animal as I possibly can. With fish, I made

1197
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: fish stock with the heads, I boiled the you know,

1198
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: the heads and made fish stock. I ate the eyes

1199
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,440
Speaker 1: and the brains a lot of times of the fish,

1200
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, with the lake trout, I ate the liver um.

1201
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: With one lake trout, I found that if I slow

1202
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: cooked the lake trout, they have really soft bones. I

1203
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: literally could eat the entire head skeleton. So I did

1204
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: not know this, but I ate the teeth, the jaw,

1205
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: everything like melted the entire thing. Now with the deer,

1206
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: it was a different story because because this is an

1207
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: animal on the side of the road that was already

1208
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: going to waste, I didn't feel a need to use

1209
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: every part because I felt like whatever I was doing

1210
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: was already a service. Um. Whatever I could harvest, I would,

1211
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: and then the animal that what I couldn't use, I

1212
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 1: just dragged into the woods where it would be eaten

1213
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: by other animals or degrade and not get picked up.

1214
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: In some areas they're actually picked up and take into

1215
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: the landfill. So whatever I left was actually going to

1216
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: biodegrade and you know, re enter the system. So I

1217
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: didn't harvest the organs with any of the deer hit

1218
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: by cars just because you know, a lot of times

1219
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: they might have a ruptured you know inside Now that's

1220
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: somewhere that with sure if they get if you hit

1221
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: it yourself and it's a you know, it gets hit

1222
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: in the head and you do it right away, there's

1223
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people probably have harvest organs,

1224
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: But the scenarios I came across, and also my lack

1225
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: of experience, I decided to go with. Basically, what I

1226
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: would do is I would set the deer up on

1227
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: its uh joints and then so that it was basically,

1228
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: you know, sitting with its back upwards. And then what

1229
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: I would do is I'd harvest the backstraps um and

1230
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: then I had harvest whatever quarters weren't damaged. Sometimes i'd

1231
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: get all four quarters, sometimes two, sometimes three um and

1232
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: then I would generally and I could do that without

1233
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: hanging it and without ever touching the organs, just going

1234
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 1: for those quarters. And then I would generally harvest the

1235
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 1: neck as well, and so that's what I would utilize.

1236
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: The first year I harvested was just a little fawn

1237
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 1: and I got nine pounds of meat out of it. UM.

1238
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: I would also take the bones and I would make

1239
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: bone broth, and then then you know, towards that was

1240
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: in August and the summer was rough, you know, there's

1241
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: the deer moving as much, and I wasn't seeing many.

1242
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: But once it got to be like September, on one

1243
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: drive a hundred twenty miles, I found seven or nine deer,

1244
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: and I harvested meat from three of them. I think

1245
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: I harvested like sixty seventy pounds um. And you know,

1246
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: in the fall season, it's amazing. I mean, if I

1247
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: lived in Wisconsin, I feel like I would just harvest

1248
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: those and feed everyone in my neighborhood with me. It's

1249
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: an amazing resource and an amazing resource of quality, healthy

1250
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: meat that gets you know, wasted, wasted, and just driven

1251
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: past by so many people. I think it's just I

1252
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: think it's just an amazing resource of quality meat. Yeah.

1253
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: We did that recently in Michigan on a want to shoot.

1254
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: We just we didn't kill a deer, and we want

1255
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: to do some butchering demonstrations, and we picked up a

1256
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: road kill deer and it was the first time I've

1257
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: ever done it. But it was the first time I

1258
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: ever butchered one fully, and it was and I'm sitting

1259
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: and I think, I, why don't want to do this

1260
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: more often? What am I doing? Who was that one

1261
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: good enough shape where you could like with the oregons intacted. All. Yeah,

1262
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 1: it sat long enough where I just wasn't they were intact.

1263
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: They had some some trauma, you know, they had actually

1264
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: had a bunch of trauma on the front shoulder and

1265
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: had was starting to turn green a little bit. So

1266
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: we just peeled that away and peeled off part of

1267
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: the front shoulder. But um, it was a pretty small

1268
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: deer too. It was just a year and a half

1269
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: year old. But it's just just a process of of

1270
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: going through that being able to take what you can

1271
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: and feeling like a scavenger rather than a hunter because

1272
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: the hunter, you you really take ownership of of the thing.

1273
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: So it makes total sense what you're saying about about that.

1274
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: But I know you you probably had bee hives. I

1275
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: can't even imagine all the things that you had here,

1276
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, getting salt from the ocean or what are

1277
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: the like the the things that surprised you that you learned,

1278
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: like things that you didn't know you were going to

1279
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: be calorie resources that became essential. Just those little idiosyncrasies. Well,

1280
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 1: I would say for people that really have the desire

1281
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: to live off the land as people would say, and

1282
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, never have to go to the grocery store.

1283
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: I think one of the main things that holds that

1284
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: prevents people from being able to accomplish that is calories. Um.

1285
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: Most people buy their grains and their flowers, and a

1286
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: lot of grains are not easy to do on small scale,

1287
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: and they are something that is much more efficient at

1288
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: large scale. Now for me, in Florida, grain it Florida

1289
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: is not a grain state. You know, it's grain. It's

1290
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: just not a place where grains grow well the heat

1291
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: in the humidity. Um. But what grows amazingly is is

1292
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: tubers so sweet potato, yams and cassava or yuka. And

1293
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: I spent so many hours crunching the numbers for calories

1294
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: and everything. I mean, I crunched the numbers for for

1295
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: for for all of my forms of food to figure

1296
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: out how much I would need. Um. But calories was

1297
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: one of the big ones. I was often making spreadsheets

1298
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: UM figuring out how many calories I had either planted

1299
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: that day or harvested or had store it away um.

1300
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: And I was amazed at how many calories I could

1301
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: grow in a relatively small place in a front yard

1302
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: in Orlando, and I calculated that on an average size lot,

1303
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: you can comfortably grow all of the calories for one

1304
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: person for a year from sweet potatoes and and cassava, yuka,

1305
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: and yam. And I think with a like with a

1306
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: house on a half acre, you I think you could

1307
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: grow the calories for a you know, a family of

1308
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: three or four using those calorie crops in Florida. I

1309
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: don't have experience elsewhere, but for me, that was you know,

1310
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: when I was just crunching those numbers, I grew seven.

1311
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: I grew about five pounds of sweet potato out of

1312
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 1: an area that was about fifteen ft wide by about

1313
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: twenty so that's three hundred square feet. And I got

1314
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: about five hundred pounds of sweet potato out of there

1315
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: in one season. So that was pretty revolutionary for me

1316
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: to see that you indeed can produce their calories too, Uh,

1317
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: when you have the right calorie crops to be able

1318
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: to do so, you know what you're talking earlier about

1319
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: kind of like producing flavors. And I imagine I was thinking,

1320
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: like maybe he had hot sauce. If he made hot

1321
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: sauce out of peppers or something, what were the flavors

1322
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: were there? Honey hot sauce, Like what were you able

1323
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: to cook up? Yeah? Well, you know, honey was a

1324
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: big one. I had four colonies of bees, and all

1325
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: of the colonies were rescued rescued colonies. So I made

1326
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: friends with the local be rescuer where if bees are

1327
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people if they get bees

1328
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: in their said or you know, in their house, the

1329
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: honey bees, they'll actually have them exterminated. And so this

1330
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: guy what he does is he actually goes and does

1331
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: a live rescue. He removes them and then he finds

1332
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: a new home for them. So that's where I got

1333
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: my four colonies, and I would not have been able

1334
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: to make it through the year without the honey. I mean,

1335
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: the honey was my moral, like my it's what got

1336
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: me having that sweetness because I have I have a

1337
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: major sweet I love chocolate, and having that honey to

1338
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: go to for a quick pick me up. Mentally, it

1339
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: was so huge plus calories. I mean a spoonful of

1340
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: honey is like a hundred calories I think or something

1341
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: like that, so you know, I could get so many

1342
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: calories to that as well. So and working with the

1343
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 1: bees was just so incredibly special. I of the top

1344
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: five things that would make me jump out of bed

1345
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: in the morning, bees are one of them. Just just

1346
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: being surrounded by tens of thousands of bees and and

1347
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: working with them and seeing them every day, going out

1348
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: collecting vector, bringing it back, knowing that that's going to

1349
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: turn into honey. Is it was pretty special. I feel

1350
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: like I got a little sidetracked on them. No, I

1351
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: like we've been exploring that around here. We're thinking about

1352
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: doing some metator honey. Put some bees on our place

1353
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: in Michigan and need and need is definitely one of

1354
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: the most special things. Um it's just it's literally just

1355
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: water and honey. You mix that together and you have

1356
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: one of the most special drinks to humanity. And actually,

1357
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever saw it. I

1358
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: was in Kenya ten years ago, and these guys took

1359
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: me out to their shed. There was a five gallon

1360
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: plastic bucket. They lifted off the lid and it was

1361
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: just boiling and it was just honey and water and

1362
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: some sticks that added different bacteria in there. But there

1363
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: was so much bacterial life in there that it was

1364
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: literally just fizzing and boiling. And you know, it's one

1365
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: of the earliest forms of alcohol, I think, to humanity,

1366
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: and it really is just such a special thing. It

1367
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: tastes amazing, it's healthy. Mine was really low alcohol content,

1368
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: like literally just a few percent um, but the boy

1369
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: did that just add so much value to my life. Um.

1370
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: And then as far as flavors, yeah, I grew about

1371
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: thirty or forty different herbs and spices, and then I

1372
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: foraged a lot of them too. You start to look

1373
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: into the plants around you and you realize that there's

1374
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: so many leaves and um, you know, and greenens and

1375
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:35,520
Speaker 1: different plants that are just great natural local herbs and spices.

1376
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: And then of course peppers. Um. Peppers are one of

1377
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: the easiest things for beginner gardeners to grow, and so

1378
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,919
Speaker 1: I I just always had an infinite supply of Serrano peppers.

1379
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: The one that did the best I took a seed

1380
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: from my friend's garden, I planted it, and I got

1381
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: over a thousand peppers from that one one seed over

1382
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: a period of a year or and a half. Yeah. Man,

1383
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: I love surrounding pepperst I've grown them over the years,

1384
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: and they are They're super easy. Even in this Montana climbate,

1385
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: you can get them going um, gosh, man, so many

1386
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: questions about like the mechanics of what you did? Did

1387
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: you ever? I mean for me, you know, food and drink,

1388
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: it's still an indulgence, right, so you sit down, You're like, oh,

1389
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: how's some cake and I'll have a whiskey. Uh there,

1390
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: And there's so much that we're Food just isn't sustenance.

1391
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: It's not calories only, there's no mathematics in it. Sometimes

1392
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: I can sit down just enjoy um, different flavors of

1393
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: different ingredients without you know, really take you just taking

1394
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: a break, don't have to understand where it came from.

1395
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: Did you miss that? Were you able to find that

1396
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: anywhere within this year? Yeah? A little bit of both.

1397
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I definitely what I really missed throughout the year. I

1398
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: didn't miss anyone particular food so much. I didn't generally

1399
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: crave any food that I didn't have. But what I

1400
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: really missed was convenience, you know, having Like one night,

1401
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: for example, I had my my cassava in the pot.

1402
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: I was cooking and cooking it up, and I went

1403
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: into my house. My kitchen was outdoors and I wasn't

1404
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: paying attention, and I come out and I I I

1405
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: opened it up. And I've burned these potatoes so bad

1406
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: that there's literally cold in the pot, like they are

1407
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: glowing red. I have burnt them so bad, and I

1408
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: and and and I didn't have convenient foods in my

1409
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: pantry at that time. I hadn't had dried fruits or

1410
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: or things like that. So that night I just went

1411
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: to bed hungry because I burnt my dinner so bad

1412
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: that it was inedible, and I didn't have other foods,

1413
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: and I was starving, but I was also exhausted, so

1414
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: I just went to bed hungry. So there was definitely

1415
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: just that yearning for convenience and ease, like coming home

1416
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: after a long day if I didn't have leftovers. A

1417
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: lot of times I came home at seven and wasn't

1418
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: eaten until nine o'clock because I had to gather it

1419
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: off from the garden um and you know, so that

1420
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: was really challenging. Now, the better that I got and

1421
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: the longer it went on, though, the easier that became.

1422
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: For example, at the end, I had like thirty sports

1423
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: of can venison that you know, I could just pop

1424
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: the top off and add that to any meal, and

1425
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: it was just easy as can be. And I had

1426
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: dried fruits, and I had beans, and I had flower.

1427
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: I had probably thirty pounds of different flowers that I

1428
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: could make tortilla and bread from, and so the you know,

1429
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: towards the end, it became easier. And you know, that's

1430
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: for me, an interesting and important point of all this

1431
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: is that I went after ten months and being very

1432
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: minimally experienced in any of this. I had never made flower,

1433
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: I had dehydrated very few things. You know, I had

1434
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,759
Speaker 1: never made most of these things from scratched or stored

1435
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: a lot of food. I was so new to so

1436
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: many elements, bease I've never kept bees before. Um, I

1437
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: had never harvested a deer before. You know, I was

1438
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: so new to so many of these things. And the

1439
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: fact that I was able to go from zero to

1440
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: after ten months, to me is amazing. And I look

1441
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: at so I look at it and I say, well,

1442
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: if you're established and you've been doing this for five

1443
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: or ten years, then the hardships that I went through

1444
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't be nearly as strong. And I do really believe

1445
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: that we can get to a point where we can

1446
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: be doing this and we still can have that comfortable,

1447
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: that comfort and convenience as we build up the pantry

1448
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: that's you know, full of the multiple last years of

1449
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: preserves and such. And of course the other big thing

1450
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 1: is that I did this to the extreme of percent

1451
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: for the personal exploration and they have to learn how

1452
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: to grow and forage everything that I would need to

1453
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: see if it was possible to do something extreme to

1454
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: bring attention um And but the reality is is that

1455
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: there's no need for us to do are and for me,

1456
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: it's really about you know, if we can do um

1457
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: and still buy those some of those treats and and

1458
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: some of those things that make things easier, especially as

1459
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: we can start them locally, then absolutely I think that

1460
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: we ought to do that. UM. So that extreme was

1461
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: really it was never about doing it forever. It was

1462
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: always just about immersing and seeing if it was possible

1463
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: for a period of time. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like

1464
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 1: with with monern technology. Always thought like if I want

1465
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: to become a beekeeper, I can do it. You know,

1466
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: it's live in the best of times, like if I

1467
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: want to you know, if I want to learn something,

1468
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: it's at my fingertips, which is unique in our humanity.

1469
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: The other a lot of the things you learned you

1470
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,959
Speaker 1: probably would have had to learn from in a communal

1471
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: sense if you would have been a couple hundred years

1472
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: prior um to what you tried to do, So that

1473
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: that's an interesting angle too. Did you feel like, do

1474
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: you ever come to a point now where you go

1475
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: to a restaurant and have a meal and you missed

1476
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:05,919
Speaker 1: the work? Yes? Um, so I've finished on November eleventh

1477
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: today Stebrary fourteen, So because it's almost exactly three months

1478
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 1: ago and I miss it. I mean, the grass is

1479
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: always greener on the other side. You know, life is

1480
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: always hard. I truly believe that, no matter what, life

1481
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: is hard. But right now I missed that deep connection

1482
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: with the food. I am staying somewhere where I actually

1483
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: have hard um. This place of staying at in Costa Rica.

1484
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I am harvesting a lot of my own food right

1485
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: off the land. Some some days of my food is

1486
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: coming off the land here um, and that feels good.

1487
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: But for the two months prior, I really I felt

1488
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: a lack of connection and and it doesn't feel as good.

1489
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: The meals aren't a special and um, and I've I've

1490
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: felt a disconnection from the earth because the reality is

1491
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: is that When things are convenient, it's hard to resist them.

1492
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: So if you can open up a fridge and everything

1493
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: you need is right there, it's a lot harder to

1494
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: go out into the garden and harvest those potatoes that

1495
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: are under the ground, or you know, if you have

1496
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: a if you have all the beef you could possibly

1497
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 1: need in your freezer, for most people, it's a lot

1498
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: less likely that they're gonna go out and they're gonna

1499
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: harvest that, dear. And so I've definitely fallen for the

1500
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: convenience um of having a refrigerator accessible, or having some

1501
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: restaurants or grocery stores accessible. And I will say that

1502
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: in some ways I have more time to do other things.

1503
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: But also I would say my quality of life as

1504
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: decreased um because I think a connection to our food,

1505
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: the deep, deep connection is for me, that is one

1506
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: of the best forms of a high quality of life.

1507
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: And something that I've personally learned is that a quality

1508
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: existence takes time. So today everything is based so much

1509
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 1: around convenience, But for a lot of people, I don't

1510
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: think this convenience creating a really high quality of existence.

1511
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: I see so much depression and so many people just

1512
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: always wanting something more and never feeling satisfied. And I

1513
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: think that real quality of existence comes from work, and

1514
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 1: comes from having to harvest our food and hunt and

1515
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: connect with our food. And and it's work. But you know,

1516
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: everybody who's who's hunted and grown food knows that, yes,

1517
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: it is work, but it's not just work. It is

1518
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: it's passion, it's pleasure, and it's just a deep form

1519
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: of satisfacts and and and I I will say, I've

1520
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: definitely lost some of that deep sot form of statisfaction.

1521
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: And I know that I'm going to be traveling for

1522
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 1: the next year, year and a half and it's going

1523
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: to be difficult. And I'm already thinking about wanting to

1524
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: get back to the land and you know, set up

1525
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: a new spot and again try this, possibly in the

1526
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: state of New York to I'm already already craving it.

1527
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: I only finished three months ago. Yeah, it's funny how

1528
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: that how that works, right, we can kind of get

1529
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: that lolled into this sense of what satisfaction is and

1530
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 1: what happiness is. And like I said, when when food

1531
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: becomes and I've slid into this a lot, you know,

1532
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: where food becomes an indulgence, it becomes a form of

1533
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: like you run to it to get pleasure it it

1534
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: becomes too convenient. Um, And that hunting is the first

1535
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: thing that taught me. That the first thing that taught me.

1536
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: Like my wife gets annoyed every time we sit down.

1537
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me tell you a story about this deer.

1538
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that the hunt that I had,

1539
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: what I had to do to get this animal to

1540
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: the table right here. And I think my wife just

1541
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: rolls our eyes another story about another deer. But um,

1542
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: that's done more for me than I could probably articulate.

1543
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:52,480
Speaker 1: It seems like you've you've got that in spades with this. Yeah, definitely.

1544
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: Just it's and the salt, you know, just like you've

1545
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 1: got up the salt multiple times. So I might as

1546
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: well say how that works? Um, because I had no

1547
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: clue how the heck. I never met anyone who harvested

1548
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: harvested their own salt at the time. Um, And I

1549
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: just didn't know how the heck it works. And I

1550
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: didn't know what what about like contaminants in the ocean.

1551
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 1: I knew the ocean that had salt in it, but

1552
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: how do you actually do it? And it literally was

1553
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: just as simple as Eventually, what I did is I

1554
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: just went to the ocean, filled up a bucket of salt,

1555
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: took it home, put it in a pot, boiled it,

1556
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,839
Speaker 1: boiled off the water, and I was left with myself.

1557
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: And it was it was just as simple as that.

1558
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I always everybody who came over always

1559
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: wanted to taste the salt, and I would always ask

1560
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: them how it tasted. They would pretty much always say

1561
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: it tastes a little bit saltier, and sometimes they would

1562
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: say it tastes like a little more ocean like, um,

1563
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: like you can taste the ocean, whether or not that

1564
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: was true or it was just a mental thing. That

1565
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: was what pretty much everybody said, that it's saltier than

1566
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: than the average salt um. But it was, yeah, definitely

1567
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: really as simple as that. And now, of course I

1568
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: never The thing that worried me at first was well,

1569
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: what about contaminants, because if you boil five gallons of

1570
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: salt of water, that means you're going to concentrate the

1571
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 1: five gallons of contaminants in there. But and people always

1572
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: ask that question, like aren't you worried about pollution and contaminants?

1573
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: But those same people I usually ask, well, how do

1574
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: you know what's in the food that you're buying at

1575
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: the grocery store. Actually, I mean even if you look

1576
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 1: at organic, when you really look deeper at at most organics,

1577
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: they are not ever what you would imagine. Like if

1578
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: you go to almost any organic farm that's supplying on

1579
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: the mass scale to the grocery store, it's not the

1580
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 1: picture of perfect farm that you would imagine. And so

1581
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: I just kind of came to realize that when you're

1582
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: connected to the food, you're gonna realize, yeah, there are

1583
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 1: possibly some contaminants here, but it's because you see it,

1584
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Whereas at the grocery store you can just easily ignore

1585
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: that and put your blind faith in your blind trust

1586
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 1: in that system. But we all know that that blind

1587
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: faith and blind trust in that system is a is

1588
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: a form of delusion and and and that these food

1589
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: companies are those foods are are not perfect and by

1590
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: any means. And so you know, sometimes some of the

1591
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: foods that I might have had some contaminants from being

1592
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: out exposed to the world. But I don't believe that

1593
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: when it when it all comes together, that it's it's

1594
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: more than the food that I would get wrapped in

1595
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 1: plastic at the grocery store. Yeah, I've had people ask

1596
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: me that before. How do you you know when you're

1597
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: when you kill an animal, how do you know what's healthy?

1598
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: It's like when you look at it and you look

1599
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 1: at its meat, you look at it, you know what

1600
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: healthy meat looks like? Does it look healthy? Um? There's

1601
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,839
Speaker 1: a lot of other you know, other factors obviously, um,

1602
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: But that's it can be that simple. And like you said,

1603
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: the containments that we're put in our body from other

1604
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: from other process places, um, would have to be equal,

1605
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: if not more, to whatever you found, whatever was in

1606
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: the ocean that you were pulling out. Yeah, and and

1607
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: it's you, I mean you just said basically it comes

1608
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: down to common sense. A lot when when you don't

1609
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: know something, you don't know it. And if you've never

1610
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,440
Speaker 1: hunted before, you don't know how to look at animals

1611
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 1: and think about whether they're healthy and and and understand

1612
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: those things. And the same with plants. But once you

1613
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: once you walk out in the woods and you're actually

1614
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: paying attention to those things, you start to realize that

1615
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just it's basic common sense. It's

1616
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 1: common sense that's been completely lost by our current society

1617
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: where we read labels at the grocery store, But once

1618
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: you start hunting and fishing and gathering, you start to

1619
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: see that, Yeah, this is just basic common sense. And

1620
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: you could call it intuition or whatever you want to

1621
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: call it, but it's just that human beings have been

1622
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 1: doing this for the history of humanity, and we still

1623
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: we haven't lost it. Like we we can. We have

1624
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: these cues that we don't necessarily even have to put

1625
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: words too, but we just generally understand when something is

1626
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: something that we should put in our body, or when

1627
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: something is something we shouldn't. Something that's sick. Possibly, yeah, no,

1628
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: and it is generally like you said, it's it's it's there.

1629
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:22,640
Speaker 1: It's common sense. You look at a deer and it

1630
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 1: looks sick, it looks skinny, you can see its ribs

1631
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: or a lot of times, I mean, I always find

1632
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: it interesting to cut the paunch open on a deer,

1633
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: or cut the crop open on a turkey and just

1634
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 1: look at what it what it was eating normally, you know,

1635
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: because you're you're watching it eatum at some point before

1636
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 1: you kill it, or you're in in the same ecosystem

1637
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: where it lives. So you kind of know what it

1638
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: feeds on. But it's always interesting to kind of explore

1639
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: that once you've killed that animal too, just to kind

1640
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: of know and get a different perspective on on what's there.

1641
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: So I imagine you know this this you call it

1642
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 1: an experiment? Is that? Is that a way to call it?

1643
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: It was? It was? Yeah, you can call it an experiment,

1644
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: an experience, immersion, Yeah, absolutely, any of those things. So

1645
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: this so this immersion, Um, I imagine it's so much

1646
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 1: for you just from a gathering perspective and knowing how

1647
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: you want to move forward and interact with the world. Um,

1648
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: what did other people think that we're close to you? Um,

1649
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 1: they think you're crazy that they want where they inspired

1650
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: by you. I know you did a lot of content

1651
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 1: around this as well. What's what's been the the thing?

1652
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: You were surprised by the interaction after we're during Yeah, so,

1653
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: and I should clarify I also would just call it

1654
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 1: life too, because it isn't it is an experiment. But

1655
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: my life is an experiment, Like that's what I'm just

1656
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: always whatever was something like just seeing what's possible. So

1657
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: it's experiments in life. Um, but yeah, aspires people's response,

1658
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: You know, I've been doing this sort of thing long

1659
01:37:53,800 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: enough now that I've built a general and a standing

1660
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: around that I know what I'm doing. Like when I

1661
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: first started, a lot more people thought I was just

1662
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: crazy because I hadn't proven myself yet by any means.

1663
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: But launching into this project, I had already done quite

1664
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: a few other projects that prove that when I set

1665
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: out to do something, I do my research. I know

1666
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Um, I know what I'm getting

1667
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: myself into, and so now my I don't have nearly

1668
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: as many people who think I'm crazy. Now with that

1669
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: being said, still a lot of people think I'm just

1670
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 1: an absolute lutatic because the way that I put it

1671
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: is that I'm extreme. Like there's no question about that.

1672
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 1: The way that I do things is extreme. I take

1673
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: on extreme things. But the reason that I'm extreme is

1674
01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 1: actually because our current society is extreme. Now, our current

1675
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: society seems normal because when you see the same thing

1676
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: around you day after day after day, month after month,

1677
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: year after year, it becomes normal no matter what it is,

1678
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: no matter how extreme something is, If pretty much everybody

1679
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: around you is doing it and that's what you're used to,

1680
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: then it's normal to you. So the United States, that's

1681
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,759
Speaker 1: five percent of the world's population, but we use twenty

1682
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: percent of the world's resources. That by definition is not normal.

1683
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: That by definition is extreme from a global standard. So

1684
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Speaker 1: what I like to point out is that that the

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01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: United States current way of doing things is actually, by

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01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 1: definition extreme. The only reason I'm extreme is because I

1687
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: have to take the counter balance to that. I go

1688
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: to the other end of the spectrum to point it out.

1689
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: And what it's really about is it's about coming back

1690
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: to a place of moderation about and you know, a

1691
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: place of moderation to me would be actually knowing where

1692
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: our food comes from, knowing what it is that we're

1693
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 1: eating and eating in a way that we are not

1694
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: death estimating the world around us by doing it. To me,

1695
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: that would be moderation. The extreme would be, you know,

1696
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: not having a clue where anything comes from, how it

1697
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: got to us, and the impact that it has. So

1698
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: so you still have people that are they're still they're

1699
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: completely disconnected with their food. Where they think food comes

1700
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: from the grocery store. It doesn't come from the land,

1701
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: it's from the industry. So because of that extreme, there's

1702
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: no doubt there's there's tens of thousands of people who

1703
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 1: have been exposed to my work this year who think

1704
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm just just crazy. But overall, the main response I

1705
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: get today is that people are people are inspired because

1706
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: people are waking up by the millions in the reality

1707
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: of our food system and the reality of the many,

1708
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: many of the ways that our current society does things,

1709
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: and they've they've woken up to the fact that this

1710
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: is not normal, and this is not the way that

1711
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: humanity has always been doing it, and it's not the

1712
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 1: way that we can keep doing it forever. So because

1713
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: of that, honestly, most people when I see me, seeing

1714
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: me take it to the extreme, they're inspired. They're just excited.

1715
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 1: And a lot of people the responses that they've never

1716
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: grown something before, and they just they just absolutely are

1717
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: dying to get the first seed planted, and they do.

1718
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: And so a lot of people they're just they're just

1719
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: inspired to go out foraging for the first time or

1720
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: to grow food for the first time. And then the

1721
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 1: people who you know are already hunters and gatherers and growers.

1722
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: For a lot of them that have already you know,

1723
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: I've been living this lifestyle or or have made that

1724
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 1: shift ten years ago. For a lot of them, they're

1725
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: inspired just to take things a step further. You know,

1726
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: maybe they've had the dream of of you know, going

1727
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: a month without the grocery store and seeing this this

1728
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: project I've done, is I have given them the motivation

1729
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: and the example to see, Okay, he's done it. There's

1730
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: an example. Now I can do this. And so so

1731
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 1: generally like inspired it and and motivated um to take

1732
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 1: things a step further. It's been I would say what

1733
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: I what I feel surrounded by the most and their

1734
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: sponse I get from people the most. Yeah, now, I

1735
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: think it's that's a beautiful thing. And one thing I

1736
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: realized having these conversations on on this show is that

1737
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 1: there's this version of you know, environmentalism or just caring

1738
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: about the earth that seems and you wrote this in

1739
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: one of your posts. I don't pull it up and

1740
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: read it because I think it was great. The way

1741
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,719
Speaker 1: that's like the mainstream environmental message and even the animal

1742
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: rights message is always you know, it's it's it's broad.

1743
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: It's like factory farming, monoculture, crops. These are the things

1744
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 1: we're battling, and that's a big task to take that

1745
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 1: all on and eliminate factory farming. But well, it's not

1746
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: a big task. It's to step back from that and

1747
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: make changes in your life, and just make those changes

1748
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: in your life first before trying to tackle this giant

1749
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: ideological cultural thing that we've got our our arms around,

1750
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: which is the way that we eat, especially in the

1751
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: industrial age. Um, oh, here it is. Yeah, you so

1752
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: you wrote, so you posted a picture of the fawn

1753
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 1: that you that we've already talked about, and um, you

1754
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: had a big, a big post and a bunch of

1755
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: good interaction here. But you said, um, at the end,

1756
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 1: you said, if we truly, if we want to truly

1757
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:19,640
Speaker 1: change society and change the world, we must think intricately

1758
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: and embrace diversity in all manners of life. We must

1759
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: go beyond the mainstream environmental message of thought patterns, the

1760
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: greenwashing and labels. We must go far, far deeper. I

1761
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: thought that was very well said, especially when you're we're

1762
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 1: looking at harvesting a deer off the road. Yeah. Yeah,

1763
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: that was an interesting day for me. That was my

1764
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: first time doing it. Originally I wasn't going to post

1765
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 1: about it, but I just thought as a great lesson

1766
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: and interestingly enough that deer was probably my most liked

1767
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: and commented on post of the entire year. Actually know,

1768
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: the most was the next post where I expressed that

1769
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:01,799
Speaker 1: like a thousand people unfollowed me because of that post,

1770
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: and I expressed that that same thing, I doubled down

1771
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: that look, we have to go deeper. We we have

1772
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: to look at the reality of our situations, and we

1773
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: have to go to uncomfortable places, because yeah, I mean

1774
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: the reality of our current environmental movement is they like

1775
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 1: not they, but people like to make things black and white.

1776
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 1: They want easy answers, they want this is the way

1777
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: you do it, this is the way you don't do it.

1778
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 1: And you know, meat eating is and this podcast Meat

1779
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Eater is kind of at the very center of that

1780
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: because it's been made so black and white by the

1781
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 1: two sides, where you know, in the environmental movement, meat

1782
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: has been portrayed as the absolute destroyer of our earth

1783
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 1: by by so many people, and but you look deeper

1784
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 1: and you just realize that it's not that simple. It's

1785
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: not that case at all. There are ways that animals

1786
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 1: are raised and hunted where it is extremely inhumane and

1787
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: it is one of the great veins of humanity. But

1788
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: when you look a lot deeper and you realize that

1789
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: that's just one part of a destructive food system, you

1790
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: realize that just like you can step out of the

1791
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 1: factory farms food system, you can also step out of

1792
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 1: the system of factory farming animals. But there are ways

1793
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that you can work with animals that are actually beneficial

1794
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: to the environment and not destructive. And thus the opposite

1795
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: of opting out completely that would be veganism, but you

1796
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: can actually opt in to regenerative agriculture or sustainable hunting

1797
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: or fishing. And that's the reality is is that there

1798
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: is absolutely no easy answers. There's absolutely no black and white.

1799
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: There is no one size fits all solution to any

1800
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 1: of these things. Every state things are going to be different,

1801
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: every region and biom, every climate, you know, every different

1802
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,600
Speaker 1: culture of people around the world. It's always going to

1803
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: be different everywhere. So it comes down to critical thinking,

1804
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: problem solving, uh, you know, looking deeper, understanding the environment,

1805
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: working with it no matter where we are, and and

1806
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: all of that is intricate and complex. Now it's I

1807
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: love it. I love it for for many many reasons,

1808
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: but I but essentially because you're saying, you know, factory

1809
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 1: faring becomes this really, it becomes vitriolic, it becomes a

1810
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: strong man. Really you can set it up and knock

1811
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 1: it down pretty easy. And a lot of people are

1812
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: being convinced to go vegan because of that. And you're like, man,

1813
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: this is that's not going to do what you intend,

1814
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 1: um if you just stop eating meat. And but that's

1815
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 1: one option. The other option is to to eat meat

1816
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: responsibly and source it ethically and do it um in

1817
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: the way that you were able to do it. It's

1818
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: during that time. So it's great to hear you have

1819
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: that message. This is a hunting podcast. We're we're supposed

1820
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: to not we're not really supposed to talk about this stuff. Um,

1821
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 1: We're I think we're kind of supposed to talk about

1822
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: big antlers or what kind of gear, well, those things

1823
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 1: like that's tructually what I grew up with. Um, not

1824
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:17,640
Speaker 1: that as we're not supposed to talk about it. But

1825
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 1: that's just not really what in the hunting community we've

1826
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,680
Speaker 1: talked about. It's like how we actually consume and how

1827
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: much of a benefit this is to us. It's kind

1828
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: of always been just a part of our community. You

1829
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:29,640
Speaker 1: eat what you kill, and that's what it is. But

1830
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: now um it's open and people are are loving. I

1831
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: think this conversation that you can you could be an

1832
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: environmentalists and still kill animals or eat eat animals you

1833
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 1: harvested off the road, and you can be a hunter

1834
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: and still appreciate the natural world and still want to

1835
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: protect it. So those things are they are they can

1836
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: be mutual and they and they are, They're connected absolutely

1837
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 1: and and studdy, what are the I think the top comment,

1838
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 1: like the most liked comment on that post is I'm

1839
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 1: a vegan and this is the most vegan thing I've

1840
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 1: ever seen here from the side of the road. And

1841
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: that's an example when who who sees the outside of

1842
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 1: the black and white thinking. And and it's an interesting

1843
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: thing because obviously I'm extreme, But the reality is this

1844
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 1: whole conversation is moderation. It's about bringing the two sides

1845
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: together and just talking about the basics of of the

1846
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 1: reality behind behind our actions, just you know, understanding those

1847
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: basic things. Yeah. No, And I think it all goes

1848
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: back to like I think you boil it down, well,

1849
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean it goes back to people one simple answers

1850
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 1: to these really complex questions and Um, we live in

1851
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 1: a world where where the media and then there's a

1852
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 1: lot of voices out there that are willing to help

1853
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 1: them do that and willing to push an activism you

1854
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: know act people fall into activism so quickly without really

1855
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: understanding what they're what they're on the stump for. So

1856
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 1: it's good to see people like you and other folks

1857
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 1: who were trying to reach out to that are doing it,

1858
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 1: that are taking the time to explore the stuff on

1859
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,839
Speaker 1: the ground what it means to them. I think it

1860
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:09,600
Speaker 1: it you know from a redneck kid they grew up

1861
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: in Maryland and started hunting and move out west. Like

1862
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: I can appreciate this. Holy I think it's it's fantastic. Um.

1863
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: One thing, one thing I didn't ask you is like

1864
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 1: how healthy did you feel during this? And after? Do

1865
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 1: you feel it less healthy? Not on the diet or

1866
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: what did it do you nutritionally? Well, A year is

1867
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: a long enough time to have his up. You know,

1868
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: it's ups and downs. If you if you took on

1869
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 1: any diet for a whole entire year, you know, I

1870
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: would imagine you would have you would have days that

1871
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 1: feel great and days that don't. And it was a

1872
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 1: long enough period of time where I've had that, um

1873
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: now to start with, interestingly, UM, you know, it took

1874
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 1: about ten days and then my digestion was the best

1875
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 1: that it's ever been because it was ten days without

1876
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 1: a single package process food, ten days of straight from

1877
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: gardening and foraging and just not having any package processed foods.

1878
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 1: So the change was so rapid with just my digestion

1879
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,639
Speaker 1: becoming so much better. Prior to that, whenever I sort

1880
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 1: of like poked my intestinal area, my lower stomach area,

1881
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 1: it always kind of hurts for years. And then I

1882
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 1: realized just about a week and a half in that

1883
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: I poked him, it didn't hurt, And I think that

1884
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 1: was um, that was uh what's it called sweating, not swelling, um, inflammation,

1885
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 1: sedation exactly. I think that was information. And it went

1886
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:44,879
Speaker 1: away not eating processed foods anymore. So I quickly felt

1887
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: way better. Um. I definitely felt a little more alive

1888
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 1: and energetic. And so the beginning, you know, I felt

1889
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 1: way better. Then halfway through the year, that's when I

1890
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: became the fish it and fattened protein. I was not

1891
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: able to catch. I was not catching enough fish. I

1892
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten a deer. Yet I was eating some squirrels,

1893
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 1: but not nearly enough, and I was, you know, just

1894
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: failing at fishing. Oddly enough, I was so surprised that

1895
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:17,560
Speaker 1: that was the case. Um. And so I became this

1896
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:23,560
Speaker 1: efficient and fattened protein. My my my skin was feeling loose. Um.

1897
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:25,799
Speaker 1: I was definitely feeling a little weaker. My my thinking

1898
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 1: didn't feel quite as clear. I felt like I wasn't

1899
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: getting some essential fats to my brain. And I don't

1900
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 1: know if that's a reality, but that's what I felt.

1901
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 1: But no doubt it wasn't getting enough fatter protein than

1902
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 1: my body. And so there was that was a little

1903
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 1: bit of a rough patch that was probably like July August.

1904
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 1: And then once I started, once I started to catch

1905
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: enough fish and once I got those deer, it took

1906
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: me about a month and I weaned myself just back

1907
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: into you know, peak conditions. And I went to my

1908
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,600
Speaker 1: university to give a talk and they happened to have

1909
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 1: a body fat composite sin tester um, and I did

1910
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: that and I had a body fat of So I

1911
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: worked my fat backup plenty and I started a hundred

1912
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: fifty three pounds and during that time I was going.

1913
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 1: The lowest I ever got was a hundred forty nine pounds,

1914
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 1: so we're talking about about as little fluctuation as possible

1915
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 1: and weight. Um And by the end, I ended at

1916
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty two point four pounds, so almost the

1917
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 1: same amount as I started, which is actually honestly a

1918
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 1: feat to maintain the weight without any process pack of food.

1919
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 1: H And at the end, I was definitely in the

1920
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 1: best physical condition that I could recall in the last

1921
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 1: mostly in like the last ten years, you know, most

1922
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 1: of my you know, adult life, twenties in the thirties,

1923
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 1: and I felt you know, excellent at the end. Um.

1924
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 1: And one of the main things for me is sleep needing.

1925
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: I I need to get enough sleep, and whether I'm

1926
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: eating good or not, if I'm not getting enough sleep,

1927
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: that throws off my digestion and everything. And I was

1928
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 1: well rested at the end and take care of myself.

1929
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 1: So I would say that, um, there were definitely hard times,

1930
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 1: but it's safe to say that I came out of

1931
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: this feeling healthier and happier than when I started. And

1932
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 1: also I didn't get sick once through the entire year.

1933
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: I certainly had my times indigestion sometimes, but I never

1934
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: even got a cold to the whole year. So for me,

1935
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 1: this was an amazing little personal testament of the idea

1936
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 1: that can take care of us if we if we

1937
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 1: let it, and that you know, food can be our medicine.

1938
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this is a diet for

1939
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: everyone or anything of that sort, not remotely. This was

1940
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 1: my own personal experiment. But for me personally, it was great.

1941
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,599
Speaker 1: It was it was It was fantastic, and I want

1942
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 1: to get back to it. I can hear your voice, man,

1943
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 1: it's it sounds like you're ready get back to Will

1944
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,680
Speaker 1: you let us know when you're going up to the

1945
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: northeast part of the world. We'll get you in on

1946
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:10,200
Speaker 1: some bear maybe for some fat and some good meat

1947
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other stuff up there. I you know,

1948
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: people so many people said that that I could do

1949
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,840
Speaker 1: this because I was you know, so many people said,

1950
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 1: we'll try doing this where it's cold, And so many

1951
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: people said, you can only do this because because you're

1952
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 1: in a warm place, because the year on growing season.

1953
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: And I will in no way downplay the benefits of

1954
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 1: the year on growing season and some of the comfort

1955
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 1: comforts and conveniences that that provides. But I have this

1956
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: feeling that it's that I'm gonna do better in the

1957
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: north than in the south. I just I just I

1958
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: experienced northern Wisconsin where I'm from, in the bounty is there.

1959
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of harvesting it at the right

1960
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 1: time of the year and preserving it. And you've got

1961
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 1: to be on top of your game to the summer

1962
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 1: and fall. Um. And if you're on top of your game,

1963
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 1: you can make it through the winter. And I truly feel,

1964
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 1: my guess is that if I do it, when I

1965
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: do it in a northern climate, I think it's gonna

1966
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: be I think it's gonna go better, and I think

1967
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be easier, and I'm gonna maybe even come

1968
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 1: out a little fatter. I think you will do. I

1969
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 1: can think of a million thing. I think of having

1970
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 1: a pile of Morrell mushrooms. Uh, I can think of

1971
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: man a million things while de sparagus, I can think

1972
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: of all those kind of forging things. But also just

1973
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: turkey bear a deer two you'll be You'll be swimming

1974
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah now, yeah, So hopefully when I do

1975
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 1: it in the north, you could actually maybe you take

1976
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: a trip out and come out and you can do

1977
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,240
Speaker 1: do the next podcast in the forest. Dude, I'm down.

1978
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm down much much better than this. But well, man,

1979
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to go through this.

1980
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 1: I know I know who you're busy man, You've got

1981
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 1: how many countries? What's it that you're gonna be speaking

1982
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 1: in here? Coming up up thirty? I like it. I

1983
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 1: like it, like it's a well good luck with that

1984
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 1: jet like being what it is. Um, But where can

1985
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 1: people find all this content that you you gathered up

1986
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 1: during this time or one other projects you're working on

1987
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 1: that people can get excited about? Yeah? So, um just

1988
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: my YouTube channels Just YouTube dot com slash Rob green Field.

1989
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Just type in my name you'll find me. Instagram is

1990
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 1: at Rob J. Greenfield and then uh Facebook, Um just

1991
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 1: facebook dot com slash rob Greenfield. My website is um

1992
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 1: Rob green Field dot org. And then I'm writing a

1993
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 1: book right now. It'll be out in December of this year,

1994
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 1: so a little ways off. And once that book is out,

1995
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll be doing a US and Canada tour. I'm gonna

1996
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:43,480
Speaker 1: travel through about thirty states of the United States and

1997
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll be up in parts of Canada with that book,

1998
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 1: and so um, I hope to see you know, a

1999
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 1: lot of you, uh what can come out and meet

2000
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: in person, ask questions. And that book. You can go

2001
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 1: to Rob Greenfield dot org slash Food Freedom Book and

2002
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 1: you can preorder that. And the proceeds from that book

2003
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: are being donated to nonprofits that are working on creating

2004
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 1: a more sustainable and just food system. So my purpose

2005
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 1: is really just get me information out there and supporting

2006
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: those projects through that book, and very excited for people

2007
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 1: to read that when it's out. Yeah me too, man.

2008
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 1: I think it just feels like you're helping to redefine

2009
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 1: what environmentalism is, you know, as as a as a

2010
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 1: more on the ground practice as opposed to the more

2011
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:33,000
Speaker 1: ideological thing that it has become over the years. So

2012
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 1: that's something it really excites me because I I feel

2013
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 1: that way too with with my hunting life and the

2014
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: things that surrounded So congrats on that and congrats on everything.

2015
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully you come through bos on that so where we'll

2016
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:44,920
Speaker 1: get you out and we'll go we'll go chase something.

2017
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely the plan is to come through um Montana on

2018
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 1: the AM track because I'm mostly gonna be doing it

2019
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 1: via am track. And I know that Bozeman is well

2020
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: good three or four hours, so so I'll have to

2021
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 1: get a ride down there to make it to Bozeman,

2022
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:03,320
Speaker 1: not come pick up. I'll bring some first light gears,

2023
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: some clothes, some binders. We'll go. We'll go. Depend on

2024
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: what time a year we'll have something we can do it.

2025
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 1: Don't do like February, Well we'll we ice fish a plan. Well,

2026
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 1: thank you, Rob, good lucky, Costa Rica, good luck when

2027
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 1: your travels. I really appreciate your time, man. Thanks for

2028
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 1: having me on, Ben and keep it up all right, man. Thanks,

2029
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all on in Collective episode one of

2030
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 1: four in the books. Thank you to Rob Greenfield. Thank

2031
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: you to Tracy Crane, Seth Morris, Karine Schneider, Joe Fernando

2032
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 1: Spencer New Heart, and of course Phil the Engineer for

2033
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: putting together another great episode of the show. We have

2034
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 1: yet one more contest to go over if you can

2035
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 1: imagine it, and that is for the podcast kit, the

2036
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 1: podcast starter kits. So we're gonna pick for next week's

2037
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 1: episode one oh five, we're gonna pick our top three podcasts.

2038
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna detail why those folks want to be a

2039
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:10,600
Speaker 1: podcaster and we're gonna let you choose, so be tuned

2040
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 1: in next week for that. Hey. Also another thing, Phil, Yeah,

2041
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:17,400
Speaker 1: let's say something to the microphone so we know you're there.

2042
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm here. Um, I guess what's coming back? Officially? Dr Phil?

2043
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, no, work sharp, Yes, it's coming back.

2044
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: We have reached an agreement. This is news to me. Excited. Yeah,

2045
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: work sharp, not sharp moments. It's coming back at some

2046
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: point this spring. You'll be hearing more work sharp knots

2047
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 1: sharp moments. So please right into TC at the mediator

2048
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 1: dot com if you want to get you know, on

2049
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 1: the fun and possibly win something really cool. So that's

2050
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna be coming back. We're'll be doing a bunch of

2051
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: those in um and uh, thanks to as always work

2052
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 1: Sharp for getting back in jumping in the pond. I

2053
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: hope I'm not like breaking news like maybe the contract

2054
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 1: was just about to get signed. He's probably runned by

2055
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:10,680
Speaker 1: the people up soon. Yeah, okay, this has been pressure,

2056
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: putting pressure on everythid you usually do things and it hasn't.

2057
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: It's worked out for you so far, I think so. Yeah.

2058
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 1: Mostly I'm feeling pretty good anyway. Good episode, man, I

2059
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 1: really and blowing away. Honestly, we say it ingest a

2060
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:25,840
Speaker 1: lot here, but am blown away by all of you

2061
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 1: that are taking this time to draw things and record things.

2062
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: I know you can win stuff, but it's a little

2063
02:00:31,240 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 1: bit more than that for me and for Phil, right, Phil, yeah, yeah?

2064
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 1: So and Phil's going to Disney Wor aren't you. I am, yep,

2065
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:42,960
Speaker 1: leaving in two days, going to the pod podcast Convention,

2066
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:47,040
Speaker 1: pick up some hot tips and tricks. But it's across

2067
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 1: the street from Disney World. So I'm going to Star

2068
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:54,360
Speaker 1: Wars Land. Well, we are not going to have a

2069
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 1: full report at all. I'm in a recorder of podcast

2070
02:00:57,080 --> 02:01:00,040
Speaker 1: remotely from the land, and it will be its own episode. O.

2071
02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:02,960
Speaker 1: You can wait for it, uh in the feed, the

2072
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 1: th HC feed. It's gonna be three and a half

2073
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:08,520
Speaker 1: hours long. I'll be drinking blue milk live and you

2074
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: can hear it alright, February thirty, first next year, Okay,

2075
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait. All right, It's gonna be great. All right, Well,

2076
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 1: thanks again for everybody for listening to this episode. Stick

2077
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 1: around with us. We got some fun stuff in store

2078
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 1: for I have been working away on some new guests,

2079
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: some new music. We got like some musical guests that

2080
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 1: we might have in to play some music for us. Man,

2081
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: we got a lot of really cool coming, so stick

2082
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 1: around peace all right. I think we're gonna we're gonna

2083
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 1: call in a big, big old tom here. Just give

2084
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 1: me a little bit. Oh, I think I hear one man,

2085
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:02,920
Speaker 1: Oh the man, Oh man, we got a big time.

2086
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Oh, I don't now you want to

2087
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:30,040
Speaker 1: entertain me? Oh? Oh, here we go. Oh u u

2088
02:02:30,840 --> 02:03:06,160
Speaker 1: u u u u u u u h m hmm.

2089
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm a turkey. Ba Hey, who's that sexy lady? I'm

2090
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 1: coming your way, baby. We could take our time, you know,

2091
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 1: I just want to Oh, come on, Jake, I'm doing

2092
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 1: a thing. Man. Hang on, baby, hang on, I'll take

2093
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 1: care of this. She's not interested in you, Jake. Why

2094
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 1: don't you take your nub and spurs and your skimpy

2095
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 1: macwheak beard out of here. No, you shut up, Jake,

2096
02:03:46,560 --> 02:04:09,560
Speaker 1: because I'm the man. I'm the man. Bertie good here

2097
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:18,280
Speaker 1: are you? All right? We're giving it a shot here

2098
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:22,240
Speaker 1: at the Shelby Household with Tori and Wayne, my nine

2099
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 1: year old son. We're gonna do the turkey call. First

2100
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 1: one is the hand Wayne. Now we're gonna go with

2101
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 1: the gobbl who and then we're gonna hit him with

2102
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:49,440
Speaker 1: the famous Ben line. O man. Okay, this is the

2103
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:57,040
Speaker 1: recording for Ben O'Brien at the Hunting Collective. You got Grant, Carter, Josh,

2104
02:04:57,120 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 1: and Taylor Ray, and we're gonna give you our best

2105
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:06,800
Speaker 1: turkey call, starting starting with Taylor y. Taylor Ay, take

2106
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:15,080
Speaker 1: the mic. I don't know either. All right. This is

2107
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 1: Josh and I think I think you called one in. Okay,

2108
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 1: this is Carter, dang, so that's pretty good. Alright, this

2109
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 1: is Grant and here's my my turkey call. It's pretty good.

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02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:44,080
Speaker 1: Signing off, I hope that this brings you much enjoyment.

2111
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 1: Be careful that you don't listen to this in the woods.

2112
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Speaker 1: You might call in a turkey. The turkeys are coming.