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Enjoy the show and thanks for listening. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:38.760 You're listening to the Fantasy Sports Radio Network Fantasy Best 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:53.360 Friends Forever m Do Do Do Do Do Do Do 0:00:53.360 --> 0:01:00.120 Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Yeah. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.920 This as the Fantasy Best Friends Forever here on the 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.600 Fantasy Sports Radio Network alongside Frankie stamfele I am Greg 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.760 so spend Ducks are abound as we go and play 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.440 a little closer Roulette today on the program What's going 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.880 on Frankie Reggae. What's up man? Happy hump Day, Wednesday, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.399 March six. I noticed you had you had some new 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:27.759 moves today. You're really really into like the shoulders like yeah, 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.080 to to like, I don't know what you do doing? 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.720 That wasn't a thing. What's up man? Not much, man, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.920 not much. I'm telling your story off the area either 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.399 off did that story? I cannot say? On there, I 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.160 know you cannot. I'll be listening. I'll be here all day, same, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:48.320 we'll talk. I hope. So, man, I hope. So sleep, 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.120 How did I see? I slept pretty well? How did 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.360 you sleep? Oh? Well? Man? Well wow, reversing roles. Here's weird. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.920 All right, it's weird. You know for me, I'm used 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.120 to be waking up in the middle of the night 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.520 and like, that's okay. My last night I woke up, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:07.160 it was one fifty. Like one fifty. That's that's an 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:12.480 early middle of night wake up. Like I mean, you're 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.400 like fifty years old. I mean it's hard to stay 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.640 start to stay awake nowadays, but like one fifty, Like 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.560 what am I up for right now? And then it's 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.000 just like my mind's my mind has really been racing 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.680 a lot. I think I had a dream of one 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:31.000 I got fired. That's more of a nightmare than a dream. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.720 It was bad. I got your back, and I'm just like, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.040 what what is happening? And then I'm just like I 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:40.800 just think there's so much wedding stuff going on the 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.840 ring way through my head. We have it knows me 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.160 a very big day at work. We have a lot 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.040 going on today, We have a lot going on. Um, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.519 next week's a crazy week. It's just a lot going 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.480 on up here. Man. I know you had to you 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.520 had to travel to Jersey to do some wedding stuff yesterday, 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.079 right I did. It? Sounds like a disaster. It was like, honest, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.480 it was fine. It was fine. Like there was a 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.800 lot of questions and all honestly, like Judy and her 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.320 mom were answered a bunch of questions. Her dad was 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:06.920 playing on her phone. I was playing on an iPad 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.480 that like they had and why did you need to 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.079 be there? Because I want to make sure my opinions hurt? 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.280 Was it hurt? Did they need you at all? Sounds 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.040 like they didn't really need you, know, so they needed 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.360 me for certain things. Um, like for instance, a lot 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.200 of times at weddings, like when you leave, like they 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.800 get out stuff, okay, like a party favor, either party favor, 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.880 Like when like last food thing. It's like I'd left 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.840 a bunch of weddings. They have like pretzels that they served, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.200 so whatever whatever. So we had said previously like we 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.320 wanted to give out donuts and then We're just like, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.760 I don't really want to do the donuts anymore. But 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.360 we wrote that into the contract. Actually wanted me to 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.480 negotiate like how to get the donuts out of the contract. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:46.840 So that was that was my That was like my 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.680 purpose there a fair enough, I guess being honest with you, Okay, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.240 So um, that was my role to being that was Jersey. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.000 How's the shore looking? Uh? And it wasn't on the shore. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:59.840 I was very close to here. I just assumed that 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:01.280 it every time you go to the Jersey go back, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.160 you go back home. You know. It was in Jersey City. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.360 Those Jersey City. I don't think I've ever been there. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:11.960 That's great, like Jersey City. All right, So it was fine. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.760 So everything it's just everything else. I'll tell you off 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:21.560 the air. Um, but it got wild, It got wild. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.760 He says, yeah, all right, I'm I'm looking forward to 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:27.880 Uh do I have you intrigued enough to hearing that 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.760 from you? Do? I have you intrigued enough? Do you 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.039 have my attention? It's all I could ask for see 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.039 what happens. I know we wrote like the relief picture 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.400 breakdown for today's show, but you know, we were having 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.279 a great soccer conversation downstairs. Should just bring those guys 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.160 up here and like and Steve and kick you out. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.920 We'll just keep the soccer talk. Probably not all right. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.440 I thought I would just throw it out there. You 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.520 never know. It was very spirited discussion. Surprised you didn't 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.200 chime in and soccer talk for you, you know, I 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.279 just don't know enough. You guys are like obviously going 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.320 at it. And I was like, that's great, the into 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:01.920 the World Cup when when it was on. Yeah, I 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:06.440 like the World Cup when it's on unforet Unfortunately, like 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.760 every other soccer fan in that record, every other soccer fan, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.640 but like a lot of mainstream soccer fans in the Guard, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.440 you know, American soccer. Sorry, I mean I've kind of 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.400 fallen off really yeah. I mean I'll watch it if 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.279 it's on. But I used to go a lot harder 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.359 actually when it came to soccer. Not so much anymore. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.080 You are actually gonna be so into baseball and football 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.000 speak a baseball. Frank's super into baseball that he has 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.200 set up his own Patreon this year. So if you're 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.080 watching where you're listening, you haven't signed up for his 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.919 Patreon to do it right now it's however much you 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.640 want to pay a dollar. You don't very much for that, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.120 so I don't do that. Five dollars, that's okay. But 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.479 the ten dollar tier, that's where you want to be. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.320 Ten bucks. You get his rankings, they update constantly. You 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.760 want that. That tier is where you want to be. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.200 The twenty five dollar tier, he's basically your slave at 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.599 that point. It's twenty five dollars a month all you 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.400 can get. Like to think of it as a sidekick, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.200 greg slave, like your faith. Refrain from the words late, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.839 we'll go. We'll go with fantasy. I think about however 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.760 you want it, man, But if they pay you twenty 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.720 five dollars, you are what they say they are, you are, 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.719 You're not wrong the dollars. And we have some people 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.560 at that level already where Frank has to run everything. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.640 Shout out to Mitch from Atlanti signed up yesterday, Cities. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.840 An avid watcher. He watch this every day. No, no, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.719 ten dollars, perfect ten dollars. He had a keeper league 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.120 question for me. I chattered up with him a little bit, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:39.279 so Mitch crushing it. Constant, constant, he is a fantasy sidekick. Okay, Constantine. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.359 Maybe he just needs to help. That's what it is. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.840 Maybe Constant needs help. I mean he does pretty well. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:50.359 Oh all right, fair enough, let's get into the relievers. Frank, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.400 where do we have to Maybe I'm wrong by this, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.480 but now that my rankings are completely you can vettom 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.080 move me for one cent less than Chris Vnter's asking for. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.600 And if find out Chris is asking Priss later on, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.000 we can't have a closure show without. Frank came about 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.360 that line in a half hour ago. I was like, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:14.480 you're definitely using it right. This stuff rights itself. Um 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.120 when I look at the closers this year, and maybe 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.360 it's just wrong and maybe I'm just in the in 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.160 the mindset playing too much today, but like it feels 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.200 like this is like the worst crop we've ever seen 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.840 in our lives. It's horrible. It definitely is. There's no 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.160 doubt about Yeah, this is This season has been the 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.280 hardest thus far to rank and breakdown. We will try 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.880 our best. I know a lot of people have asked 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.120 us about holds as well, so we can dive into 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.880 that a little bit. I do think, you know, for 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.320 categories and roto leagues. I think that's why where we 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.480 might be trending saves plus holds because I think at 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.200 that point, Greg and let me know how you think. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.480 What you think about this is when you get saves 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.240 plus holds as a category, now you're now drafting talent. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.280 This is what we should be doing. You're not drafting 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.160 the Shane Greens of the world. Shane Green is gonna 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.120 give you a five plus e r A, but hey, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.440 he might give you twenty five plus saves. Because saves 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.280 are so hard to come by. Shane Green is still 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.880 being drafted as a top twenty five thirty reliever, which 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.240 based on his ratios as the r A and who 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.080 he's terrible, he shouldn't be drafted because he gives you 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.760 twenty five saves. You have to draft him in rhodo 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.440 and and categories. Leagues had to categories leads. I think 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.400 that we should start proposing that saves plus holds is 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.160 better because at that point we're just drafting the most 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.880 talented relievers, regardless of whether they're getting you safe. I mean, sure, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.160 like Edwin Daz, your elite closers, they're still gonna go 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.320 very highly. But now you know, in situations like Philly 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.760 where we don't necessarily know who the closer is, and 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.160 I don't think we're ever going to know who the 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.760 closer is. You could just draft talent there with David 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.280 Robertson and Sir Anthony Dominguez, because you know, all right, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.440 on a nightly basis, one guy might get me the save, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.160 the other might get me the hold, but you know 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.320 that both guys are still gonna be really good and 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.400 give you good e r A and good whip and 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.040 give you a lot of strikeouts. I think that is 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.080 a direction we have to start to look towards more. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.160 And obviously we can talk a little bit more about 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.600 holds today. I don't think we have a choice because 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.840 there's so many bullpens now they're a bullpen by committee. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.199 Holds just kind of like work themselves into the relief 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.640 picture conversation. Yeah, so I know, my lea, my Home 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.760 League voted this year on like saves plus holds or 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.679 something like that or adding holds, and it got it 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.480 was not voted in. But I have a feeling that 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.880 like we're gonna have to do something in the future too, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.839 Like maybe it's not this year, but starting next year, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.760 you know, correct, I think it's gonna build. Realize you're 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.760 maybe you're you're won't realize this until after the draft happens, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:42.400 when we're like, oh, crap, relief pitching is bad. You 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.600 can't find Closerstimately, I would say there's fifteen sixteen set 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.720 closers in baseball right now, look at my last hang on, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.640 I have it right in front of me. Maybe if 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.480 that one to three, four or five six, that's six. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.320 One of those includes Craig Kimbrow, which it shouldn't. He's 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.840 not on a team. So that's five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:06.160 You can't rust lasses, yes, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, And 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.000 there are guys that we want to be closers, but 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.600 we don't know if they are for sure. So I, oh, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.320 there's Shane Green's fifteen, so you're about right. You're about 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.120 right about fifteen. And there's thirty teams in baseball. Half 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.479 the teams have a set closer. And look, I'm selfishly 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.400 for fantasy purposes, obviously we want more closers. I can't 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:29.560 really debate what real life baseball managers are doing. If 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.880 it's more effective, then sure, go for it. Like look 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:33.480 at what the Brewers did last year. They didn't have 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.440 a set closer. But they were all over the place 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.240 with Josh Hayter and Jeremy Jefferson and Corey Knable once 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.360 he returned from injury. They're all over the place and 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.839 they had a phenomenal season. So if so, if this 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.000 is the way that baseball is trending and it's working 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.920 for managers, I can't knock them for doing it. So 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.640 I think what you're actually pointing out even more so 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.040 when you do the Brewers, it's a lot of the 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.680 good teams that don't have a a set closer at 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.280 the moment. Necessarily the Royals don't have a sec closer, yes, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.880 of course, but but they're seeing that as something that's 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.959 working and other managers are starting to adopt. But I 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.120 think the frustrating thing is the is the good teams 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.880 that you know are going to be good theoretically, they 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.600 don't have closures. Milwaukee, Boston, Philly, like those are three 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.760 of the top teams in baseball, and you do not 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.320 know their closer situation. Just disaster for fantasy purposes, Like 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.680 we keep thinking that, all right, Boston is gonna win 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.680 close to a hundred games, Philadelphia is gonna win close 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.440 to a hundred games. But we do not know who 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.760 the closer is. It's terrible. And then a guy like 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.320 Josh Hayter, who will talk about throughout the program, where 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.920 do you draft Josh Hayter. Yes, the metrics are good. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.120 A couple of years ago Adam at Davino metrics were amazing. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.680 We had Kristovinski, his metrics were amazing. But yeah, he 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.120 can help you and strike out a whip in e 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.760 er A, but that all important save category. They're not 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.760 helping you, and it's just very frustrating. You cannot rely 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.120 on it. It is so so annoying. And that's why 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.400 when we have Modica come on on Monday's right and 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.560 he's here talking about pitching. He did the relief picture 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.839 right up for the athletic I make sure you go 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.440 check that out. He says you have to have a 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.280 plan going into and he predominantly drafts Rotissori, so you 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.440 know you need the saves category. And he plays for 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.200 an overall, so you can't ignore any category when it 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.000 comes to rohto and you're playing for an overall. So 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.120 that's why he says you need to have a plan 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.120 when it comes to saves heading into your draft. I 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.079 just did a fifteen team league, the Great Fantasy Baseball Invitational. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.480 I walk away from that draft with Wait Davis, who 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.280 I think is unquestionably the Rockies closer, and then I 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.000 have three like, Okay, whatever you are, I don't really 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.839 know what you are. I have Michael Gibbons, I have 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.040 Drew steckond Writer, and I have Kelvin Herrera. It's a 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.320 fifteen team league. I mean you're gonna at that point 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:40.719 you just try and grab as many of those names 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.960 as you possibly can. I don't feel great about it, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.680 but I think in any fifteen team league where you 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.320 need saves as a as a category, you're not really 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.760 ever gonna feel great unless you spend like two or 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.840 three of your top twelve picks on closers, and then 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.520 that's gonna cause deficiency somewhere else. So it's tough. It's tough, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.640 especially in ROTO, and I think that's where it matters most. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.199 Like heads head categories, you could just punt the safe category, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.360 like you could be like, that's fine. You can just 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.000 load up on a bunch of you know, great starting 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.400 pitchers and try to have good ratios and win strikeout 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.560 categories and win wins every single week and just punt 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.280 the saves category and then head to head points leagues. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.720 I think everyone's head to head points league is different, right, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.720 because there are starting pitchers who still have relief picture 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:25.400 eligibility Holan McHugh, Tyler Glass. Now guys like that where 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.720 you can plug them into your relief picture spots and whatever. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.560 That's fine in my league. In my home leagues, um, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.080 we play it. You still have to use closers. Like, yeah, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.560 it's kind of like an honor system. If you see 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.000 someone that has a starting pitcher who's in the relief 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.760 picture spot, you have to like notify the commission or 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.360 you have to like tell that person you have to 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.719 have two closers in your lineup. Still two relievers in 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.840 your you have to have two relievers in your line up, Yes, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.760 but I mean both of those are twelve team leagues, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.720 and you know you'll be able to find like twenty 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.959 four whatever relievers. They're not really as sought after in 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.120 head to head points league. That's what I've noticed. They don't. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.520 They just don't score as points, is like starting pitchers. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.680 So normally for me leagues, I wait, I wait on closures. Yeah, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.120 I know, I kind of do it. No, I mean you, 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:09.760 you've got to be conscious of it. I kind of 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.440 do what I've always done, to be perfectly honest with you, Frank, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:13.960 Like I draft one guy that I think I could 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.319 count on, and I try to get a second guy 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.160 that I'm pretty confident in, and I take a shot 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.880 on the third guy and just what was like a 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.920 quantity player. And that's what I try to come out 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.920 of every draft with those three, like those three tiers essentially. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.760 And I agree with you, but that middle tier is 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.960 harder to find possible. That's why you know I've ended 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.360 up with Michael Gibbons, the guy gave up five and runs. 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.720 Is this we don't know? Let me do the Michel 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.480 don't know. So last apparently you love him. Drafted him 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.640 to give Michel Gibbons conversation. So last year around this time, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.840 I pinpointed to everybody Shane Green, like that was my guy. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.680 Shane Green is gonna be the closer we could count 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.920 on him, and like, don't worry about the five years, right, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:51.760 He's going to get you a ton of saves. And 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.200 he did exactly what we asked for him. And that 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.320 was like one that I nailed. So a couple so 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.360 about a month ago, Franco's all right, like, who's the 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.800 guy this year? Like it's really really tough. Do you 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.520 have a guy that you think could be last year's 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.480 Shane Green? So I said, all right, let me look, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.240 give me some time. I looked, and I looked, and 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.760 I thought that, like Hunter Stricken was like too high 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.880 on the list for this because I didn't count. So 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.360 I went with Michael Gibbons. If patient starts laughing at me, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.520 I'm like, now he's the only reliever we know in 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.720 the on the Orioles. He's got talent. They wanted to 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:29.640 be good. He's the guy. Frank drafts him. Florio drafts him. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:34.640 I told Frank and every draft, every draft, I'm gonna 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.520 pick Michael Gibbons as that last dart throw as a closer. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.880 What happens next? He allows five runs to whole runs. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:47.000 Yesterday he gets fobbed in his first appearance. I'm like, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.920 oh god, yeah, that's Michael Gillings not looking good. And 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.640 that's basically the closer position as a whole. So correct, correct, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.840 That's that's what we're dealing with here. Yeah, and uh look, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:01.680 I mean there are stats to back it up to 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.760 I looked over the past five years. UH, the number 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.720 of relievers with thirty plus saves over the past five years, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.600 and it was seventeen. Went up in twenty fifteen to 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.320 twenty one. Every year since we've been seeing a steady decline, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.440 had sixteen closures with thirty plus saves seventeen all the 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.960 way down to eleven. Eighteen was a repeat with eleven, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.320 but we also saw in twenty eighteen there were forty 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.720 three relievers with ten plus saves greg and in twenty 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.280 seventeen there were forty nine relievers with ten plus safe. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.000 So over the past two seasons we've really seen whether 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.200 it's due to injury or closure by committee, there's almost 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.560 you know, there's between forty five and fifty relievers that 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.440 are getting you ten plus saves, so there's not really 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.480 many set guys that are getting you the thirty plus, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.520 but you kind of find more guys to sprinkled throughout 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.200 who were giving you ten here and ten there. It's 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.040 just you can't draft them. You're gonna end up spending 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.720 your fab throughout the year on those guys. Unfortunately, that's 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.960 that's the nature of the betweens with the picture, because 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:01.680 when do we come back. We'll give you that first 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.960 year closure is the guy that we guys that we trust. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.560 How do we rank them? We'll let you know On 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.320 the other side. Fantasy best Friends Forever, Fantasy Sports right 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:14.600 here network Daily rodo dot Com. Learn from the game's 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.560 best DFS players. We don't just give you advice. We 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.800 play every day, all major sports, all year round. 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This guy has literally thrown close to 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.800 three thousand innings in his career. Last year may have 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.600 been his best year, arguably his best year, and I'm 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.080 not sure there's a gonna go to go but down 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.120 because I'm paying full price for thirty six year old 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.919 arm and his name is Justin Verlander. Weekdays to the 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.159 four BM Eastern on the Fantasy Sports Network and on 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:26.840 your popular podcast providers Fantasy Best Spreads Forever, Fantasy Sports 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.680 Radio Network, Greg Susman, Franks Stample, A lot to come. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.240 We had Joe Nieri joining the program a little bit 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.879 later on today. I told forty he's gonna come on 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.280 and talk a little relievers with us, and then our 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.840 buddy Jim SNAs over at FanDuel he's gonna try to 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.399 break down in the tougher closure situations to deal it. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.440 We also have the ducks in a row here as 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.400 we've gotta pick random teams out and trying to figure 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.720 out who the heck they're closer is. It should be 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.320 fun game show style, Mike, It's gonna be a really 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.840 fun show. So before we do any of that, Frank, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:00.240 I wanted to get into the top tier, the guys 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.200 we trust more than anybody, the guys that we can 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.920 rely on. And I know that you're not exactly you know, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.040 I'm gonna draft the closing with the first or you know, 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.480 the third round or something like that. I want to 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.560 know how early you're willing to go and draft one 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.840 of these guys. The top closer on my board is 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.240 Edwin Diaz, who was just otherworldly last year. Two years 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.320 ago I owned him. Uh, it was kind of struggle. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.959 He lost his job, he didn't have the control definite, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:29.119 but Seattle you hated him last year, Seattle Um Seattle 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.240 just they pulled him from the from the role momentarily, 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.520 but they always wanted to give him back. Last year, 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.120 it was a magical season for Edwin Diaz, so magical 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.720