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Speaker 3: Andrew Hawkins aka Hawk. It's a former NFL wide receiver

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love that answer because I was

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Speaker 1: How do you understand what people like that are looking,

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Speaker 2: Best thing we could do.

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Speaker 3: how do you pitch the grand opportunity here to people

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Speaker 3: who already.

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Speaker 2: Have all they you know, could need. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 2: another great question.

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Speaker 1: So I would say it in this way. If you

447
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Speaker 1: called me and say, hey, I want you to do

448
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Speaker 1: my podcast for and I'm gonna give you a dollar

449
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Speaker 1: right now, it's a deal. Now it's I'm gonna spend

450
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Speaker 1: a certain amount of time doing your podcast and you're

451
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Speaker 1: gonna give me a dollar, I'm gonna say no, right

452
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Speaker 1: because it's that the work doesn't seem to match what

453
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Speaker 1: the dollar amount is. It's one dollar, right, I could

454
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Speaker 1: do other things to get a dollar. If you said, hey,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do this podcast with somebody else, and

456
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Speaker 1: when I do it, I'm gonna give you a dollar.

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Speaker 1: If you give me, you know, ten cent, that sounds

458
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Speaker 1: like it's worthy it because I don't got to do

459
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Speaker 1: much work for that dollar, right, it's on you.

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Speaker 2: And if I think that.

461
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Speaker 1: You're gonna do this podcast, you got that podcast lined up,

462
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Speaker 1: it's scheduled and it's going no matter what, and I don't.

463
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Speaker 2: Have to do much. That's what it means to be

464
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Speaker 2: an investor.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of times people approach the athletes

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Speaker 1: or the celebrities or the big time executives wanting them

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Speaker 1: to put the amount.

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Speaker 2: Of work into their product that a founder is doing.

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Speaker 1: Now, there is going to be some over the top value,

470
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Speaker 1: but there's value already in the namesake, because that's why

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Speaker 1: you're approaching them in the first place, because that dollar

472
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Speaker 1: is not the same as their dollar, because they have

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Speaker 1: a name value that also unlocks a lot of opportunities

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Speaker 1: for you. So that in and of itself is worth

475
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Speaker 1: the work, and you have to be able to know

476
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Speaker 1: the process and a plan for making that work for you.

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Speaker 1: So I think with me and our investors specifically and

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Speaker 1: my partner Trure, who is amazing, you know, I think

479
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Speaker 1: that we are just two guys that we come from nothing.

480
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Speaker 1: We do everything ourselves. We don't expect much. Like the

481
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Speaker 1: terms of engagement are pretty straightforward. We're going to do

482
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Speaker 1: the work, and as long as an investor I feel

483
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Speaker 1: like understands and sees that and they get to see

484
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Speaker 1: the opportunity because to the example you use with magic,

485
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Speaker 1: there's not that level of work that goes into it.

486
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Speaker 1: We're gonna do the work and the moments we need you,

487
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Speaker 1: will give you a call, but they'll know that. Man,

488
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Speaker 1: they're calling me. It's one of It's a situation that

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Speaker 1: is going to only multiply what the opportunity is.

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Speaker 3: Can you describe the timeline, you know, between your enterprise

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Speaker 3: product that you licensed with NFL teams for their actual training,

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Speaker 3: and then the consumer product that will come out soon,

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Speaker 3: and then the timeline alongside when those investors came in,

494
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Speaker 3: so did the Lebrons, and then Naomi Osaka's come in

495
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Speaker 3: when they saw your enterprise product or this is fire,

496
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Speaker 3: we gotta get it in the Cowboys locker room, we

497
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Speaker 3: gotta get it in the Lion Lions locker room, or

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Speaker 3: they saw you had that and then they said, oh,

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Speaker 3: there's consumer play here. Can you talk about how that

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Speaker 3: lined up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say they definitely came in for the

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Speaker 1: opportunity for the consumer play, but it all ties together.

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Speaker 1: So we started off on the enterprise level working with

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Speaker 1: NFL teams to prepare them for NFL games, and you know,

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Speaker 1: that gave us a base foundation for our technology, and

506
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Speaker 1: we just kind of continue to build that because that

507
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Speaker 1: was something we knew and so inherently from our experience

508
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Speaker 1: of being athletes of knowing exactly how a receiver could

509
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Speaker 1: get better with this technology. Troy is a quarterback, knowing

510
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Speaker 1: how quarterback can get better. You know, I've spent time

511
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Speaker 1: as a coach as a scout for the Detroit Lions,

512
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Speaker 1: like understanding how the technology could help organizations. It helped

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Speaker 1: us build a foundation and then as the opportunities arise,

514
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Speaker 1: we know which way we can kind of craft and

515
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Speaker 1: use the foundation to go in other spaces. And on

516
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Speaker 1: the consumer play, it was essentially players would get in

517
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Speaker 1: the headset and they wouldn't take it off and they

518
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Speaker 1: were like, Yo, this is fun, and that's not a

519
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Speaker 1: statement you hear from a player that's typically watching film.

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Speaker 1: This is fun and you're learning about what you're going

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Speaker 1: to see on a Sunday. So that was like the

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Speaker 1: indicator for us that we knew we had something there.

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Speaker 1: Because if a player who sees this scenario every day

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Speaker 1: and had for fifteen years, it's saying that it's like

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Speaker 1: it is on Sunday and it's fun, imagine.

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Speaker 2: What a consumer will place.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, after that is when we started

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Speaker 1: to communicate that it started to to show what the

529
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Speaker 1: opportunity we felt was on the consumer side. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been years in the making. Troy and I first connected,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, in twenty sixteen or seventeen, and

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Speaker 1: here we are in twenty twenty two, you know, so

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been that long of a process, that

534
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Speaker 1: that long of us thinking about this craftiness, letting the

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Speaker 1: market do what it does, and then also relying on

536
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Speaker 1: a little bit of luck.

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Speaker 2: To put us in the right position.

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Speaker 3: So when you think about gamifying things, let's talk about

539
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Speaker 3: gaming and training. You know, even at the consumer level, like,

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Speaker 3: how do you think gamifying exercise and training? You know,

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Speaker 3: when I'm if you're bringing up a kid to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, an all star athlete, how do you imagine

543
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Speaker 3: gamifying that experience in working out and training might evolve

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Speaker 3: over time?

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Speaker 1: I think it becomes second nature a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: then there's a reason why we continue to drilling on

547
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Speaker 1: the fun aspect of it, because you know, I view

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Speaker 1: our consumers early on in our consumer product, which will

549
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Speaker 1: be coming out in fall twenty twenty two, they're much

550
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Speaker 1: like I have a ten year old son who is

551
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Speaker 1: obsessed with the game of football, naturally, because again we

552
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Speaker 1: come from a family of football players.

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Speaker 2: But I am.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who knows me knows I am not to push

555
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Speaker 1: somebody to go play football and do this and do that.

556
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Speaker 1: It's not my thing. But what happened was, you know, first,

557
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Speaker 1: you let him have fun with it.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not out there making them run through drills at

560
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Speaker 1: seven years old and making them run stadium steps to say, hey,

561
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Speaker 1: you got a legacy. It's not that you give him

562
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Speaker 1: a ball and you let him play catch with his

563
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Speaker 1: dad and he enjoys playing catch with his dad, and

564
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Speaker 1: he's having fun. And because he has fun in it,

565
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Speaker 1: it motivates him to get better. But he's passing the

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Speaker 1: time by having fun, but he's naturally becoming better at

567
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. So I think when I look when

568
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Speaker 1: I look at the VR XR technology and specifically what

569
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Speaker 1: we're doing in gaming and the training opportunity is played

570
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Speaker 1: football my whole life.

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Speaker 2: It kept me in shape.

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Speaker 1: As a thirty six year old man now who is

573
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Speaker 1: not playing football every day, it is a lot harder

574
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Speaker 1: for me to stay in shape and to focus on

575
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Speaker 1: actually being in shape. I would love for a way

576
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Speaker 1: for me to have fun in doing it. And so

577
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Speaker 1: when you think about XR and training and that opportunity

578
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Speaker 1: and getting better if gamifying it embeds the fund right

579
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Speaker 1: in it, and by embedding the fund that becomes the

580
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Speaker 1: chief focus. Anytime you're having fun, that's kind of where

581
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Speaker 1: your mind goes to and you're not thinking about the

582
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Speaker 1: calories you're burning, You're not thinking about how you're learning

583
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Speaker 1: the sport, you're not thinking about how you're staying fit

584
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Speaker 1: on a day to day because the game of it

585
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Speaker 1: all is keeping your mind occupied, and then everything else

586
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Speaker 1: becomes a value beyond that.

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Speaker 3: You know. I kind of asked a question similar to

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Speaker 3: this when we talked about, you know, getting a Lebron's

589
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Speaker 3: attention or Drake's attention.

590
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Speaker 2: But there are people who believe that their tech.

591
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Speaker 3: Is good enough to get licensed by major partners, like

592
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Speaker 3: you know, sports teams in any category. What levers do

593
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Speaker 3: you imagine are the fastest ways to success to getting

594
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: the meeting and also being taken seriously?

595
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Speaker 2: Like what are the in rolls for people who.

596
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: Are not getting not hawk you know, to how do

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00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 3: you pick up the phone and call the Detroit Lions?

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Speaker 2: Like how does that happen? Like what happens there? Where

599
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: do I need to be? What conference do I need

600
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Speaker 2: to go to It's tough. It's tough. I would say

601
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Speaker 2: a lot of it is learning the industry, right.

602
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Speaker 1: So I would love to think that my name rings

603
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Speaker 1: so many bells I could just pick up the phone

604
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Speaker 1: and call somebody and make it happen.

605
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I started interning with the Detroit Lions,

607
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: and two thousand and eight I was a scouting intern

608
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Speaker 1: right and then beyond that I went and played in

609
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Speaker 1: the Canadian Football League. And throughout this whole process, I'm

610
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Speaker 1: shaking hands, I'm taking meetings. I'm telling people when I'm

611
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: get done playing, I want to do X, Y and

612
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: Z in the off season, olding out the marketing materials

613
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Speaker 1: for my sports agency or for my agent's sports agency

614
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: for him, I'm his marketing lead as well. I am also,

615
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, applying to Octagon's internships. I'm doing Underarmer's internships.

616
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Speaker 1: I'm going to intern with Maverick Carter while I'm the

617
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: number one receiver for the Cleveland Browns in an offseason.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just in nature like I'm I'm getting coffee.

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Speaker 1: I'm people that I'm interning with. It takes them a

620
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Speaker 1: month and a half to know that I play in

621
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Speaker 1: the NFL because I'm I'm doing all the things naturally

622
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: that an intern would do. I'm setting those groundstick because

623
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Speaker 1: I'm learning. I want to see how the process works.

624
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I want to shake the hands. I want to understand

625
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: this thing and come up with a plan and strategy

626
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: because in this business, specifically in the sports business, you

627
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: really only get one opportunity at it, right, And so

628
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: it's probably not the best just to pick up the

629
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Speaker 1: phone and call the Detroit Lions, because now they're always

630
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna remember you just called the Detroit Lions. You had

631
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Speaker 1: no idea what our process was. You don't know what

632
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: our KPIs are, you don't know the right people to

633
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: talk to. You don't call it the scouting office trying

634
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: to get a licensing deal, right, And so I would

635
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: say engrossing yourself in the area that you're looking to

636
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: get into and understand that it is very hard to

637
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: make those calls and get those deals, and people are

638
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna want to see that you are a subject matter

639
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: expert in the space that you're in.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what I've spent every minute.

641
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: That I wasn't on a field over the last decade

642
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: That's what I've spent doing and that's what my partner

643
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: has been doing as well. And I think we've benefited

644
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: greatly that it was time for us to do our thing.

645
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: We had a track record, we had connections that people

646
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: we connected with ten years ago are now in a

647
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: position to make decisions or put us in the right

648
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: place or confidently say, Yo, you should talk to Troy,

649
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: you should talk to Hawk because I've known them in

650
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: their work for ten years and what they're doing, what

651
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: they're about, and it's at least worth hearing them out.

652
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: So I did that.

653
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Speaker 3: So I'm excited about this game. I want you to

654
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: talk about it a little bit and like what makes

655
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Speaker 3: this metaquest and PlayStation v our game unlike other football

656
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: arcade games, Like, you know, what's the difference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, besides the fact that it's NFL license, which

658
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: is the big one, right, I would say the insights

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Speaker 1: from it. I mean, this is this is a direct

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Speaker 1: brainch out of me and my partner, and I think,

661
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Speaker 1: you know, with the things I do creatively or the

662
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: things that I'm into creatively, I want that extra level

663
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: of authenticity to it, you know, Like I want to

664
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: see the film about Detroit from a Detroit director.

665
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: I want somebody.

666
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Who is in there giving me that film, right, I

667
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: want to see all those things. And in gaming and

668
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: in sports specifically, that's what we were after. This is

669
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: our life. This is I'm trying to explain. I remember,

670
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: like the very first one we're pitching it, I'm telling

671
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: people about what it feels like to walk out of

672
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: a tunnel. It's one of the coolest ex experiences I've

673
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: ever had as an athlete is coming out to seventy

674
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: thousand screaming fans.

675
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: And in our game, we have.

676
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: The opportunity to bring that to life and show somebody that.

677
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So I

678
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: think the little things like that that we're we're giving

679
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: you real insights from things we've experienced and putting them

680
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: in creatively are the things that will make it different.

681
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: Our company in and of itself.

682
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean we are I think roughly forty five now,

683
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: and of the forty five, I think twenty one of

684
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: them are former athletes, college or pro. And that's from

685
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: the systems engineer to the creative designer on the game,

686
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: to the marketing to the business dev I mean it's

687
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: permeated throughout the company. And the reason for that is

688
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: we thought, like, yo, if we can typically athletes don't

689
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: have a voice in sports anything, especially sports gaming anywhere.

690
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: But imagine if we had that insight, as well as

691
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: the experts of gamers, as well as the engineering expertise,

692
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: as well as the marketing of all these places in

693
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: one room where everyone has a voice, we can create

694
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: something that is above the status quo. That was the

695
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: whole impetus around the company, and I think in our

696
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: experience that's what's going to make the difference and what

697
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: people will feel of when they take the headset off

698
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: and say, dang, I do feel like I know what

699
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: it's like to be in the NFL game now, right,

700
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: And I mean that's our ultimate goal.

701
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: You know, I'm interested, you know, because you've played it

702
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: at the professional level and how much on field tech

703
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: there is, like we see and we've heard, you know,

704
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: they may mic somebody up, and so now we get

705
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: the experience of hearing what it sounds like, you know,

706
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: when you're on the field or on the court, but

707
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: from the stuff that the fan will never see or

708
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: may never see, how much like actual on your body

709
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: and on field technology is happening to, you know, measure

710
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: how fast somebody is running or where they are on

711
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: the field, or like what's happening that we don't get

712
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: a chance to be exposed to.

713
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on. There's a lot of prototyping.

714
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of testing that goes on in both

715
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: a practice and a game environment.

716
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: The NFL is pretty innovative.

717
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean professional sports NBA is, I mean, they're extremely

718
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: innovative as well.

719
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: So and it's funny like that's kind of how I

720
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: got my first foray in the tech.

721
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I would consult while I was playing for sports analytics

722
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: companies that would create this incredible tech, you know, but

723
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: it was always a gap between the tech and the

724
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: people who were applying it, meaning the coaches who are

725
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a very different world. They use

726
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: a rabbit's foot more than they would use analytics in

727
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: a game like this is my lucky underwear.

728
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: That's what they use in a game environment.

729
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: Right, And so I would approach it like, okay, I

730
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: can act as a bridge between understanding the technology and

731
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Speaker 1: the people applying it.

732
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Speaker 2: And I mean there is chips that.

733
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Speaker 1: Every NFL player wears that measures their XI coordinates of

734
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: where they are in the field, how fast they move,

735
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: they're forced from left to right, from right to left.

736
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean in a practice environment, we wear the same thing.

737
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: There is cameras that also just are taking that footage

738
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Speaker 1: and also gathering.

739
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: All that data.

740
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: There is, you know, obviously the ability to do even

741
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: more from a technology standpoint, but you want to make

742
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: sure that the rules are still in place and fans

743
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: are able to experience whatever it is they're doing. So

744
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: all the things that they're testing and doing, even though

745
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: they're not public, they will be eventually. It's just a

746
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: slow rollout for which acts actually possible. And I think

747
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: that's the cool thing about what we're doing is because

748
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: we do call ourselves the future of the field because

749
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: we're combining a lot of those things and again giving

750
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: it to a fan and that's a really cool thing.

751
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: So when you say like there's chips on players, I mean,

752
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: are you saying like glorified like apple air tags or

753
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: tiles are on players to measure these things? Yeah, like

754
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 3: RFID chips.

755
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Every player in their shoulder pads has a dime sized

756
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: chip that measures where they are at all times on

757
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: the field and the speed of it and you could

758
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: take that data. And originally how we start as a

759
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: company is we had access to that data and just

760
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: in the data alone, we were able to create three

761
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: D simulated plays.

762
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 2: So we didn't need any video.

763
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: We didn't need to see what happened because we could

764
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: just get the data from those chips and tell you

765
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: exactly what's happening on the play.

766
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty cool.

767
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: How do you because you're doing you know, media now,

768
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: which I think is really interesting, your great social media presence.

769
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: How are you leveraging media for business success? Because I

770
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: imagine that may be a play because when Lebron moved

771
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: to LA, people were talking about, you know, this is

772
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: you know, he's on the down side of his career,

773
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: so LA is a smart move because he wants to

774
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: be a media and TV so it wasn't just an

775
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: athletic decision. So I'm interested in the decisions you make

776
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 3: and being on making TV shows or online internet web shows.

777
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: What's the play for an athlete like yourself and what

778
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: are you shooting for? If I can just say.

779
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: It, yeah, I love that.

780
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: So I think two part number one, what I'm doing

781
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: now has always been my goal since I've been a kid,

782
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to do business. I wanted to do business

783
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: in an area that I felt like I was an

784
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: expert at and that I knew more than anybody else,

785
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: and I feel like sports is that thing. So when

786
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: I retired, I actually wasn't going to go in the media.

787
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: My older brother went into media. I wasn't really into

788
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: it at the time. There was a specific formula you

789
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: had to follow to get an opportunity. You had to

790
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: speak a certain way, look a certain way, do a

791
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: certain thing. And not that I'm not a chameleon and

792
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I just didn't really have the

793
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: energy that if I want to be one way one day,

794
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I wanted the ability to do that. So I wasn't

795
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: going in the media. When I retired, I walked White

796
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: in to start working with Maver Carter after having intern

797
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: for them while I was playing, and an opportunity came along,

798
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: and he was the one that was like, yo, you

799
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: should do it because as someone who knows a lot

800
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: of former athletes and I've gone through this with a

801
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: lot of people, you might like it and you might

802
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: be good at it, and ultimately it also helps you

803
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: keep a face card, which is important when you're trying

804
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: to make business move, which I know you inevitably want

805
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: to do. So while I was playing in the NFL,

806
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: I would take I would get fifty two one hundred

807
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: game jerseys every year after the season, and I would

808
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: sign them and I would write handwritten letters to people

809
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: that I wanted to connect with or that I was

810
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: impressed by, and I would send it to them in

811
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: the mail with an email like, YO, if you ever

812
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: want to get coffee, let me know. And that was

813
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: a networking thing for me because I thought I knew

814
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: people thought it was cool that you know, there's only

815
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: two people that could say to the start receivers for

816
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, there's thirty thousand people that can say

817
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: they're former players, right, So I'm like, well, let me

818
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: do this now so that they'll remember when I was

819
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: at my height, where my mind was at, and so

820
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: when I need them and they're at their height.

821
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: You know, they'll keep that relationship going.

822
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: So I was doing that, and then the media thing

823
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: for me, it was like, well, that gave me that

824
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: same kind of face card. Right, It's cool to get

825
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: an email from someone you've seen on television or wear

826
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: in a meeting and I might be on the background

827
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: somewhere that helps me at least get an email back.

828
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: So even if I'm asking for something or I'm trying

829
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: to do a deal, and even if it's a no,

830
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: a fast no is helpful to me, you at least

831
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: give me that courtesy because I have a certain face

832
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: card to it.

833
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: And so that's what was my original goal around.

834
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: Media, was to use it to benefit my business career,

835
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: and I'm what we're doing now is status pro and

836
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I still think that's the same thing. And in that

837
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: I just kind of made the decision that I'm just

838
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna be me wherever I decide that is from a

839
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: media standpoint. Eventually, it will again just be projects that

840
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: are close to my heart that I think there's a

841
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: need for, that I think there's a space for, and

842
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: that Ultimately, I never wanted to get into the media

843
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: side of things to have to hang on it solely

844
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: and completely.

845
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: As a football.

846
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: Player, you are hired and fired very very frequently, and

847
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: you have no say so of when your family picks

848
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: up and moves, and so when I got into the

849
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: media side, I was just very adamant that I didn't

850
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: want that career to be that way. I wanted to

851
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: have the freedom to say and do what I wanted

852
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: when I wanted, and so I passed up on a

853
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: lot of great deals media wise, because I don't want

854
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: to get into the rat race of Hey, we love

855
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: you today, Tomorrow we don't like you anymore. Now you

856
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: don't have a job, right, So.

857
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: I want to dig one level deeper before we get

858
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: out of here. And you mentioned earlier that you know

859
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: a dollar from a Lebron James is not just a

860
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: dollar because his name has value, and that thing there

861
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: I want to equate to what you just talked about

862
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: with media and how you're leveraging that for a business success.

863
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: Outside of media, there's so many folks who are building

864
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: businesses and it's all really comes down to storytelling. There's

865
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: so many folks who are building businesses that if they

866
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: could figure out how to leverage stories and personalities in

867
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: social on stage, in front of people, etc. That could

868
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: help their business. And So if you could leave us

869
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: with some wisdom on how people who might be funny,

870
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: who might be good looking, who might be what charismatic,

871
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: how they should see that as a value or find

872
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 3: that value to add that to the puzzle of building

873
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 3: a successful company.

874
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, I think you you kind of nailed it, right,

875
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: Like you have to use all those things that are

876
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: at your disposal.

877
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: To get to where you are.

878
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: And a lot of time, especially early on your company,

879
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: is you're there, they are various synonymous people are gonna

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Speaker 1: follow those things. Or it's like an artist when you

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Speaker 1: when you find an artist nobody has heard about, and

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Speaker 1: you like their store and you like where they come from,

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Speaker 1: you write where they represent. You're telling everybody about the

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Speaker 1: artists you gotta check You gotta check her out, man,

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Speaker 1: she's amazing, right, or whatever that is.

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Speaker 2: And eventually they hit mainstream and you.

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Speaker 1: Know you you probably now looking for the next one. Right.

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Speaker 1: Businesses are the same way, right, They want to they

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Speaker 1: want to connect with you and your story number one.

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Speaker 1: But using your talents to hit those pillars are super important.

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Speaker 1: And I say for businesses, there's three things that you

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Speaker 1: got to hit to make yourself a home run. Number

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Speaker 1: one is it do you have an incredible product? Is

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Speaker 1: your product better than everybody else's?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Do you have something that is just the home run

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Speaker 1: of a product that's aggress Number one?

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Speaker 2: Number two is do you have an ability to get

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Speaker 2: the deals done.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about all these things on this podcast

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Speaker 1: so far as do you understand the industry that you're in,

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Speaker 1: can you make those calls, do you know the right

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Speaker 1: people to talk to to continue to push that ball

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Speaker 1: down the court, because those things are important in those deals.

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Speaker 1: And number three is your ability to amplify. Do you

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Speaker 1: have an ability to when you say something, get it

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Speaker 1: out in front of people right, because then those people

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Speaker 1: are going to follow the check marks of is your

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Speaker 1: product great? And some people can be successful with two

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Speaker 1: of those things. You've seen people with terrible products, but

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Speaker 1: they got the right investors and the right amplication and

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Speaker 1: they got the right deals.

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Speaker 2: You see people with.

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Speaker 1: Great deals, great product, and nobody to amplify it, but

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Speaker 1: eventually it bubbles up. If you have one of three,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. You need at least two or three.

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Speaker 1: If you have three of three, you got the home run.

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Speaker 1: And when you use your talents for whether you're good looking,

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Speaker 1: whether you have other talents, whether you're funny, to push

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Speaker 1: to your product, that helps you in the amplification side

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Speaker 1: of things.

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Speaker 2: And it's a very very important, important pillar. And that

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Speaker 2: kind of determines its speed. I wish you scale or

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