1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, the Combine starts today in the NFL. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: We are live, we are in Chicago, and it's the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 2: Herd wherever you may be and however you may be 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: listening or watching. Thanks for making us part of your day. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: One hour from now, I'll be introducing some futuristic new 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: technology that I'm really excited about that I first saw 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: about nine ten eleven months ago and it was freak 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: me out, and now you can consume it. I'll introduce 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: that in one hour. So it's the Combine week and 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: a lot of business deals get done, and one of 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: the business deals getting talked about is Lamar Jackson's new contract. 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: It's just remarkable to me. And I've always been a 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: huge Ravens fan and a big Lamar supporter. But just 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: to give you an idea, I said yesterday the Ravens 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: are done being a Super Bowl bubble team. There's no 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: possible way with what they're going to pay him. So 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: his current cappit is seventy four million dollars. Let me 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: give you an example of what that pays for in Seattle, 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl champs. That would pay for Sam Darnold, JSN, 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: Devin Witherspoon, Nick Allman, worry the safety Gray's Abel and 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence, and you'd still have three million dollars left 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: over to buy every Seattle Seacle lifetime Starbucks card. The 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 2: Ravens are out of the super Bowl discussion with this 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: new contract, and they have to theoretically, they also have 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: to pay their all world center, probably the second best 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: center in football, which sort of matters for a quarterback. 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: So whenever I hear these. 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: Fans say it's such a moronic thing to say, give 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: blank star the bag and you celebrate it, I'm glad 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: the player gets rich, But you want to know what 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: wins in the NFL, depth and flexibility like Seattle, team 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: friendly quarterback deals like right now Chicago or Denver or 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: Seattle or New England. And the four highest paid quarterbacks 34 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: the last four seasons, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow, and Dak 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: Prescott twice all missed the playoffs. And I've always been 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: a big fan of Lamar Jackson, but between his mom 37 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: acting as his agent, his refusal to do off season camps, 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: the mystery injuries, and let's be honest, the need to 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: be the highest paid quarterback. 40 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: That's the thing he wants to. 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: Be it's starting to feel like, honestly a little Kawhi 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: Leonard where you're like mercurial mystery family to involve maybe. 43 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: And then there's the stories about him falling asleep during 44 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: meetings because he's playing late night video games, which was 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: reported by somebody from the Baltimore Sun who covers the team. 46 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: So somebody leaked that out. Somebody in the organization leaked 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: that out. And I have a hard time believing a 48 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: person who covers a team just wanted to alienate everybody 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: and make stuff up. The Ravens and Lamar deny it, 50 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: but you know, one of the things that's true, somebody 51 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: in the last week listening or watching this show has 52 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: been fired. Never forget Walt Disney was fired, Oprah was fired, 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: Steve Jobs was fired. It's not the end of the world. 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: One door closes, as they say, another one opens up. 55 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: But Jim Harball was shown the door in San Francisco. 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: Things have worked out pretty well. John Harball was shown 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: the door in Baltimore. And next year Lamar Jackson will 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: have a cap hit that is twenty times higher than 59 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: Jackson Dart to the Giants, And I'm starting to think 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: when I hear about this new contract situation with Lamar 61 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: and Linderbaum. Is did John Harbaugh escape a potential mess 62 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: for the next several years. Seventy four million dollars buys 63 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: you six Seahawks and three million left over. Eric DaCosta 64 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: at the combine talking about the negotiations with Lamar, Lamar. 65 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: And I have an agreement we handle business kind of 66 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: in house internally, as you'all though. That worked well for 67 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: us the last time, and we will continue to have 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: that policy moving forward. Have spoken to Lamar about a 69 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: lot of different things over the last month. He's been 70 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 3: very engaged. As I said, he was a big value 71 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: to us in the coaching search. But we'll continue those 72 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: conversations moving. 73 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: Forward, all right, So the Lakers have been a topic 74 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: this week. Rachel Nichols in a little over an hour 75 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: because Luca, as I said yesterday, the red carpet the 76 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: Lakers rolled out for Luca, they had no idea. It 77 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: was made of red flags. That he remains in average 78 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: to below average condition. He no longer really attacks the 79 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: basket with regularity and finishes at the rim, settles for 80 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: a lot of okay jump shots, and he doesn't play 81 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: a lick of defense unstop complaints to the officials, which 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: is really tedious after a while. A lot of technical 83 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 2: fouls too. The Lakers yesterday named a former college coach, 84 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: Tony Bennett, who was at Virginia. That was the school 85 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: that never scored any points. Smart guy, but he retired 86 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: early that you know, they would win like forty two 87 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: to thirty eight and put everybody to sleep. But I actually, 88 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: when I looked at the hire, I was like, that's 89 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: kind of a weird hire. But he's going to be 90 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: now like helping in their personnel search during the draft. 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: And my take after thinking about it, is will he 92 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: sort of be the Brad Stevens to the Celtics. So 93 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: they brought in Brad Stevens to coach and then GM 94 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: and they've done a really good job drafting and developing 95 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: in Boston since Brad Stevens arrived as a coach and 96 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: as a coordinate and as a general manager. Because it's 97 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: weird with the Lakers. The Lakers have always been a 98 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: transactional franchise. They did not draft Wilt, they did not 99 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: draft Kareem or Kobe or Shack or a or Lebron 100 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: or Luca. I mean, you got to go back to 101 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: like nineteen seventy nine and Magic Johnson and before that 102 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: Jerry West. 103 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: They just don't draft. 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: And with the new CBA, with big trades and big 105 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: sweeping free agent moves are almost impossible because nobody wants 106 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: to do the Lakers any favors. And if you look 107 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: at the best teams right now in the NBA, I 108 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: would argue, it's ok see San Antonio and Detroit. Well, 109 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: Detroit's four best players they drafted. Okac's best players, they 110 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: got Check Holmgren from tanking. You know, the San Antonio Spurs. 111 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 2: It's all drafted and develop. And so since Jerry West left, 112 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: the Lakers don't really draft. And even with Jerry West, 113 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: it's just not what they do. And with the new CBA, 114 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: you could say, well. 115 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: What about Austin Reeves. 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: You don't get credit for drafting him. He's undrafted. You 117 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: didn't even draft him. And Rob Polenka thin you see 118 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: him on the screen. Rob is not a scout. Rob 119 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: was an agent who became a general manager, saying he's 120 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 2: not a sharp guy, but his schooling and history is 121 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: not in scouting. So the last six great Laker players 122 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: are Lebron, Luca eighty, Shaq Kobe, and Paalgasol. It was 123 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: transactional for all of them. It wasn't draft and develop. 124 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: And so in the last three times, by the way, 125 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: the Lakers really haven't shown an ability to draft well. 126 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: And when they kind of do, they get impatient. A 127 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: prime example, they drafted lonzol Ball, who was all flash, 128 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: and they could have drafted instead Jason Tatum, who was 129 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: no flash. They went with a flashy guy. They drafted 130 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: perpetually skinny Brandon Ingram, and the next pick was Jalen Brown. Yeah, 131 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: and then they drafted Di'angelo Russell, a historic flake who 132 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: hasn't worked anywhere for more than like an hour, and 133 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: they could have had Devin Booker. 134 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: So when they draft and. 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: Do get like really good picks, they've shown no ability 136 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: to land them. And for the record, they moved off 137 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: two of those draft picks quickly, but they're not terribly patient. 138 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: So when I looked at Tony Bennett getting the job, 139 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: I was like, that's weird, and I'm like, well, Boston 140 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 2: went to the college ranks and it actually turned out great. 141 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Tony Bennett is Brad Stevens, 142 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: but I will say this, The Celtics draft really well, 143 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: really really well, and the Lakers don't at all. And 144 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: that's going to be important because, as we've talked about, 145 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: the NBA now is not a transactional league, and you've 146 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: got to surround Luca with the right players. 147 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Chris Brusard was on it earlier this week. 148 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: You have to go find athletes, wing defenders and catch 149 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: and shoot guys because Luca plays no defense and has 150 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: to have the ball in his hands. 151 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: Here's Brew on Luca. 152 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: I don't know if he's ever gonna win a championship. 153 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: And it's not because he's not individually good enough. It's 154 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 4: because of the way he plays. He is so hard 155 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: to build around because he's so ball dominant. And we've 156 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: seen ball dominant players, but ball dominant players that shoot 157 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 4: and score a lot are really tough to build around. 158 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 4: Steve Nash, Chris Paul. They're ball dominant, but they were 159 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 4: passed first guys. Even Lebron when he was really in 160 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 4: his prime and ball dominant, it was a challenge to 161 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 4: build around him. 162 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: So there's where we stand. 163 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: The Ravens are renegotiating with Lamar. I view that as 164 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: getting and moving out of the Super Bowl discussion and 165 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: the Lakers hire a retired college coach. At first glance, 166 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: I didn't get it. Thinking about it, I sort of 167 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: do Jamax. 168 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I listen. 169 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to give away the house here, but 170 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: JAMAXX got a little bounce in his step of as 171 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: the New York Jets have made a trade this morning. 172 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: That's what the combine's about. It's not just seeing guys 173 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: work out in their underwear. It's actually where everybody goes 174 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: out all night. The gms and the executives make deals 175 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: during this week. So everybody's getting their trades ready and 176 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: their free agent signings all uh all hired up. 177 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: There's a great trade for the Jets. We'll talk about it. 178 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 5: Could note. 179 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 6: I just looked this up when you were talking about 180 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 6: Tony Bennett, you know, to the Lakers and the Lakers 181 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 6: watching a bunch of draftis so. Tony Bennett is the 182 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 6: guy who got Klay Thompson to go to Washington State 183 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 6: back in the day. 184 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 5: Washington State. 185 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 6: Okay, Tony Bennett goes to Virginia, recruited Joe Harris who 186 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 6: became an Olympian, Malcolm Brogden Rookie of the Year. 187 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: Times Your home. 188 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 6: He's good at finding diamonds in the rough, guys that 189 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 6: maybe are overlooked or people think, oh they're slow or 190 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 6: not that athletic, and they become great players. 191 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 5: I love this. 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Today at the top 208 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: of the hour, introducing a new feature that I think 209 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: some of you will really like and it kind of 210 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: the first time I saw it, I couldn't quite figure 211 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: it out, and now. 212 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: It's its habit for me. 213 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: I would say that brought to you by Credible the 214 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible Great rates none of 215 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: the bull. So the NFL Combine starts today, but really 216 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: it is a deal making venture. And one of the 217 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: teams that is really in an interesting spot is Kansas City, 218 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: so they're pivoting is a franchise. So Patrick mahomes one 219 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: point zero five super Bowls, three trophies. That's like Brady 220 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: one point zero in New England, five super Bowls, three trophies. 221 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: The difference is the second part of the New England 222 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: run for Brady also delivered four trips and three Super Bowls. 223 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: And this Kansas City roster does not feel close too 224 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: many holes. This Kansas City coach is aging at sixty eight. 225 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: He does not have seven eight years left. This Kansas 226 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: City team is now in a brutal division. And the 227 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: division is a really important note here. So for years 228 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: and years becose the Jets, the Bills, and the Dolphins 229 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: were overwhelmingly dysfunctional. It allowed the Patriots a first round 230 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: by they would stack their record and home field, so 231 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 2: basically didn't have to play in the first round. Well, 232 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: now you only get one buy per conference in Kansas City. 233 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: He's got to face Herbert and Harbaugh twice in division, 234 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: Bo Nixon, Sean Payton twice in division, and who knows 235 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: how good Fernando Mendoza is, but he's going to be 236 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: better than Geno Smith twice in division. So there was 237 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: always a great advantage for Brady in this dynasty. 238 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: And I've said this before. 239 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: When Nick Saban dominated the SEC, it was mostly because 240 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: Georgia and LSU and a lot of the powers couldn't 241 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: get their act together. When Lebron was getting to the 242 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: finals every single year, it was mostly because he played 243 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: in the East. He couldn't do it in the West. 244 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: So the reality is the division's harder. There's now only 245 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: one buy per conference. The roster has holes, Andy Reid 246 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 2: sixty eight and Mahomes. Now, he did sign a long 247 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: term deal, which makes like Brady, his contract a little 248 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: bit more viable for the organization. They're not trapped with 249 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: it like Baltimore is going to be with Lamar Jackson. 250 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: But I mean Brady had the advantage until the Bills 251 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: drafted Josh Allen. For a twenty year period, there was 252 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: one star quarterback in that division for twenty years. His 253 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: name was Brady and then Josh Allen suddenly came into 254 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: the league and very quickly. Remember Bill Belichick's first six 255 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: or seven times against Josh Allen, He's like, yeah, I 256 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: can't stop him. The only thing that ever stopped him 257 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: was like a nor'easter, or I think it was Mac Jones. 258 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: It may have beaten Josh Allen once. So I I 259 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: when I you know, I just Albert Brears at the 260 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: combine and he's talking about what Brett Veach is trying 261 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: to maneuver around right now in Kansas City. 262 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 8: One thing Brett Peach is really good at is looking 263 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 8: at this stuff globally. So it's like, and I think 264 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 8: this is the way that he's going to view it. 265 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 8: I want to do more around Patrick Mahomes, whether Kelsey's 266 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 8: back or not, this year, we need to put more 267 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 8: premier talent around him. 268 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 5: So like, how do you look at it? 269 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 8: Do you look at it like we're better off getting 270 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 8: a running back in the top ten and then a 271 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 8: receiver free agency based on what's available, or are we 272 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 8: better off doing it the other way around. 273 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 274 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: I know where Jmack falls on Kansas City, but I 275 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: don't have him winning the division again this year. And 276 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: you start looking at that Denver roster and that small 277 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: bow Nick salary, I think I'm taking Denver once again 278 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: to win the division. Now, they don't have a lot 279 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: of draft picks. I would not be shocked if they 280 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: go heavy into offensive line and rush end, but that 281 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: means they probably can't solve their run game, which seems 282 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: to me to be a primary issue. I Mahomes is 283 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: throwing on third and long much more now than three 284 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: years ago. 285 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 6: I mean, Colin just from a basic standpoint, Patrick Mahomes, 286 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 6: would you be shocked if he started the season on 287 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 6: the pup list and missed the first I don't know, 288 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 6: three or four weeks now, he's coming off a major injury. 289 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 6: That would not surprise me. I mean, I'm seeing some 290 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 6: early win totals. Again, you can't really bet it big 291 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 6: because it's pre draft, pre free agency, and there's like 292 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 6: Chiefs ten and a half. 293 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 5: I'm like, what is that? How are they close to 294 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 5: a ten win team? 295 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 6: There just is not a lot of talent I know, 296 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 6: Chiefs fans are all excited about reading Mahomes a colun 297 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 6: You know this, like Kelsey's gonna bounce. 298 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 5: They don't have a lot of guys. 299 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: No, they don't. 300 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: They need about four more players on the offensive side alone. 301 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: When they moved off Joe Tooney and Ben Johnson immediately 302 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: goes and grabs Joe Tooney, and look what he did 303 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: to the Bears interior old line once they moved off 304 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: Joe Toney. That's the vagaries of having a really expensive 305 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: weapon and a really expensive quarterback and a really expensive 306 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: defensive tackle. 307 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: You have to hit on a lot of. 308 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: Picks, and they've missed on just enough picks to put 309 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: them in the crosshairs of you. 310 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: We say this before. 311 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: You don't have to be great everywhere in the NFL 312 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl, But like Seattle, you can't 313 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: be lousy anywhere. Think how good the Rams offense was 314 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: this year. Coaching quarterback play, bad in special teams, bad 315 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: at corner. So, like, what you want is a team 316 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: friendly quarterback deal, Well they don't have it with Mahomes. 317 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: It's not as punitive as Lamar or Josh Allen, but 318 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: it's not team friendly. So you have to hit on 319 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: more draft picks, and if you miss and they missed 320 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: on a sky more here or a running back there 321 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: late in the first round, all of a sudden you 322 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: look around and like, oh, we're bad at right tackle. 323 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: We don't have a running back. 324 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: So if you want to pay a quarterback top of 325 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: the market, you have to be really and remember when 326 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: you have a star quarterback. 327 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: You know this. 328 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: You're drafting at the end of the first round, at 329 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 2: the end of the second and third that is a 330 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: tough spot to find. 331 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: Great town. 332 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: The Seahawks in the second round got nick and worry 333 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: and it's like that's about as good as you can do. Yeah, 334 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: in the second round. You have to hit stars at 335 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: the end of rounds and you can do it. But 336 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: I mean go to the last you know, ten drafts 337 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: and not a lot of guys drafted at twenty nine, 338 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: thirty thirty one who are all time players. 339 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 7: One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 340 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 7: seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app, Search Herd 341 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 7: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 342 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: All right, here we go unveiling a new product. Very 343 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: exciting hour two on a Thursday live in Chicago. It's 344 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: the herd Rachel Nichols around the corner. Okay, So I've 345 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: been talking about this for two or three days. So 346 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: the past ten or eleven months, I have been working 347 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: with really smart people in our tech department at Fox 348 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 2: and we developed something. We took a couple of years 349 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: of all of my shows, a poor app, and we 350 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: downloaded all my shows. It's called Sports AI and you 351 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: can find it. It just launched on the Fox Sports app. 352 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, there, it is right there, and they have 353 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: downloaded every show of mine for the last two years, 354 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: so it has my cadence. I think stylistically, it sounded 355 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: like me. When I first heard that, it was really raw. 356 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: When I first heard it ten months ago, I just 357 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: started laughing. I thought it was the craziest thing I'd 358 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: ever heard in my life. You could ask it questions. 359 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 2: It gives amazing answers, much like this show does. And 360 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: so you get the facts, you get the opinions. Just 361 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: go to the app, ask me anything you want about 362 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: sports and you'll get me, or the AI version of me. 363 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: So to give you a little bit of an example 364 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: of how it works. Again, it's called Sports AI and 365 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: it's on the Fox Sports app. You can download the app. 366 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: I think he'll get a good laugh out of it. 367 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: So j Mac, let's give the audience a sense of 368 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: how this puppy works. 369 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 5: All right, Conle, Let's get it started. 370 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: Every play, every stat, every storyline. I've got it all. 371 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: What do you want to know? 372 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 6: Will Fernando Mendoza be a franchise quarterback? 373 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza can be a franchise quarterback because he wins 374 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: from the neck up. He's accurate, he processes fast, he 375 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: protects the football, and he's already shown he's comfortable in 376 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: the biggest moments. But he's not the off schedule superhero type. 377 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: So the team that drafts him has to give him 378 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: real playmakers and a real structure. 379 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: If you're expecting magic tricks, you'll be disappointed. 380 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: You want a steady, high level operator, you'll be thrilled. 381 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: So tell me, do you want. 382 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: Your quarterback to be a system driver or a system breaker? 383 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty good? 384 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 5: Okay, Why does Colin like Sam Darnald so much? 385 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: Colin likes Sam Darnold because he's the ultimate tools plus 386 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: toughness quarterback, big arm, real athlete, and he doesn't melt 387 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: when the pocket gets muddy, and Colin's always been a 388 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: sucker for the guy who gets written off, takes the hits, 389 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: learns and comes back sharper. That's Donald's whole story. Plus 390 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: when you put him with real coaching and a real structure, 391 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: the ceiling shows up fast. Seattle just got the proof 392 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: in the ring. That's the bet. Talent was never the issue, 393 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: the environment was. 394 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to take tomorrow off. Give me one more. 395 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 5: What type of college football coach would J Mack be? 396 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: J Mack is a college football coach, is a culture 397 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: first CEO type, recruiting relationships and accountability. Then he hires 398 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: a sharp play caller and lets that guy cook. He'd 399 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: run a grown up program with older, tougher players because 400 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: in this era of nil experiences, currency and maturity win Saturdays. 401 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: And he'd be relentless about the little stuff. 402 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: Practice, tempo, strength program and not beating yourself real quick. 403 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: Do you see him more as an offensive head coach 404 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: or a walk around program builder? Yeah, that one ain't 405 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: may have missed on. But so it's called sports AI. 406 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: I want you to download it. It's on the Fox 407 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: Sports app. Ask it any sports question. So we've been 408 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: playing around with this thing. 409 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: It is. It's crazy. I mean it's listen. 410 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: I've said this for there's all these doomsday scenarios with AI, 411 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: and I don't believe it. My take is, learn how 412 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: to use it, figure out how to accent your industry, 413 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: whatever it is. I'm not getting rid of my accountant. 414 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm not getting rid of them people that do things 415 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: well for me. I'm not moving off my realtor. I 416 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: don't care how great AI is, but if it can 417 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: augment whatever you do. And that's why Fox came to 418 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: me with this. They're like, this is really fun. I mean, 419 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: people sitting around at home watching the game. We're doing 420 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: it all the time. And you can just ask you 421 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: questions about your Philadelphia Eagles or the United States men's 422 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: national hockey or soccer team, asking anything you want. By 423 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: the way, this version of me really knows soccer. 424 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean it is. 425 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: I cooks like that version of me is better on 426 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: soccer and hockey than this version of me. And poor 427 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: Rachel Nichols has to follow that good stuff. Jmac Rachel 428 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: is joining us live and covering the NBA for twenty 429 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: five thirty years. That was gonna that was something right. 430 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 5: It has your tone. 431 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: That's what's so incredible. 432 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 9: I expected it to sound a little more robotic, it doesn't. 433 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 5: It actually feels like talking to you. 434 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. 435 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're working on a structure in which I can 436 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: take June, July and August off and just put a 437 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: phone right here and make it work. Okay, So this 438 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: has been an interesting week. And I kind of joked 439 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: yesterday the Lakers didn't know when they rolled out the 440 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: red carpet for Luga it was made of red flags. 441 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: And we always knew he wasn't a great defensive player. 442 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: But for the record, there have been magic Johnson wasn't 443 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: a great defensive player. Steph Curry wasn't you build around him. 444 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: But there's the jawing with the officials. There is the 445 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: lack of conditioning, which has kind of a mellow feel 446 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: to it. His game is a bit lobsided. It's all offense, 447 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: not much in defense. But it does this week, Rachel. 448 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: It's surfaced for a couple of reasons, the barking and 449 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: the technicals, but also that final play that JJ Reddick 450 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: drew up. When you start looking at analytics, Rachel, and 451 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: there's an argument a year in that Lebron and Luca 452 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: don't fit as well as we thought they were going 453 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: to fit. What are you hearing around the league and 454 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: within the Lakers. 455 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there is a big sort of let's 456 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 9: go to the summer, let's get there, let's move forward. 457 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 9: And while the Lakers have said Lebron is welcome back 458 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 9: in the organization, it's very clear that building around Luca 459 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 9: does not involve Lebron James. And you can talk about 460 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 9: it defensively, of course, when Luca, Austin Reeves, and Lebron 461 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 9: are all on the court, you know, it's it's a sieve. 462 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 9: I mean, the defensive rating is terrible, but it's also 463 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 9: offensively as you point out, I mean Luca modeled his 464 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 9: game after Lebron's. Literally it was Lebron's YouTube clips that 465 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 9: Luca was watching as a teenager and as a kid. 466 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 9: So they do a lot of the same things, frankly, 467 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 9: and we know what kind of team you need to 468 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 9: build around Luca. That's the team that we saw get 469 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 9: to the NBA Finals with him. So I don't really 470 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 9: blame some sort of the lazy plays or they not 471 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 9: getting to the rim as much, or some of the 472 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 9: falling apart that we've seen, because I think everyone's mind 473 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 9: on that team is we're going to fight as hard 474 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 9: as we can, but we all know we're not finals 475 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 9: contenders right now. Let's get to the summer where they're 476 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 9: going to have three first round draft picks, they're going 477 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 9: to have more cap space that looks like than any 478 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 9: other team in the league around fifty million dollars. And 479 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 9: that is with resigning Austin Reeves. That is without Lebron 480 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 9: James though, So if he doesn't re sign with the Lakers, 481 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, you have the ability to 482 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 9: really build the kind of team around Luca that you 483 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 9: might have envisioned when that trade was first made. 484 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's you try to be you don't want 485 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: to be inelegant. Moving off Lebron, he's delivered. He's been 486 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 2: great for sales, he got him a COVID title. You know, 487 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: he's always said the right stuff publicly. He's never high. 488 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: He may be high maintenance, but it's behind the scenes, 489 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: it's certainly not in front of it. So, and I 490 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: don't know if there's a right answer for this, but 491 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 2: you're closer to it than I am. How do you 492 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: move off him with some level of respect and elegance 493 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: because he has been the face of the league for 494 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: twenty years. 495 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think they have to if Lebron 496 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 9: does want to come back, which it's sounding like he 497 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 9: wants to play another season. It is hard to tell. 498 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 9: It's up to him to make that decision. If he 499 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 9: does want to play another season, I think there has 500 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 9: to be a pretty serious conversation with the Lakers, not 501 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 9: just on money, not just on how little money they 502 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 9: would need him to take to make everything else work, 503 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 9: but roll right, because as I said, when those three 504 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 9: guys are on the court together, it doesn't work. You 505 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 9: can't have that team no matter who else is on 506 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 9: the roster. You can't have a team that is closing 507 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 9: out NBA Finals games with three defensive liabilities like that. 508 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: Just won't happen. It won't work. 509 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 9: So are you saying to Lebron, hey, man, I don't 510 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 9: know if you're going to be on the court at 511 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 9: the end of games all the time, And how would 512 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 9: he feel about that? I mean, there may be a 513 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 9: conversation that is delicate enough to have where it's clear 514 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 9: what his role would be with the team with the 515 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 9: salary might be where he would sort of say, you 516 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 9: know what, actually, let me look into see what Cleveland's 517 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 9: offering me. 518 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 5: That kind of thing. 519 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: So you and I are on the same page in 520 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: the tanking, which is you know, and I've always felt 521 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: this is that if you really privately ask most NBA stars, 522 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: because it's overwhelmingly a winter league, that they all want 523 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: to play for about six places, Miami, Los Angeles, the Celtics, 524 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: the Knicks. They want to be in big cities or 525 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: where it's warmer, maybe a Houston, San Antonio that you know, 526 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: it's harder to sell, Midwest, Minnesota, Milwaukee. But if you 527 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: keep adding teams, you know, all the sunny places are 528 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 2: mostly you know, they're taken, and so I don't know 529 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: how Utah builds. I mean, the truth is Stockton and 530 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: Malone were drafted, Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell were drafted. 531 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: It's not a free agent hub, either is Milwaukee. You 532 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 2: have to draft well, so you know, if you're not 533 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: given up Avenue. How like, it's not a transactional league 534 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: much anymore. So the NBA Rachel has kind of decided abruptly, 535 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: we're going to spank Indiana and Utah, And what's the 536 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: reaction you're kind of getting because Utah feels like they're 537 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: being singled out. 538 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 9: I mean, Utah's tanking was pretty egregious. You see your 539 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 9: two best players in the fourth quarter, I think you're 540 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 9: going to get the attention to the league that way. 541 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 9: I don't really subscribe to the Sunshine theory quite the 542 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 9: way you do. I mean, look, when when Michael Jordan 543 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 9: was with the Bulls, everyone wanted to play with the 544 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 9: Bulls in Chicago, and Orlando still isn't like the most 545 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 9: attractive free agent destination in the country. So I'm not 546 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 9: sure it has as much to do with Sunshine as 547 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 9: it does to all the extra rules that have now 548 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 9: been put on these teams through multiple collective bargaining agreements. 549 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 9: We have the first apron, we have the second apron. 550 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 9: There are rules about re signing your own players. There's supermaxes. 551 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 9: Every step along the way has made it harder for 552 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 9: bad teams to get better and funnel them toward that 553 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 9: draft we keep talking about, we've got to solve tanking. 554 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 9: Tanking isn't the problem. Tanking is the symptom. The problem 555 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 9: is bad teams need more avenues to get better. Yes, 556 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 9: And to me, frankly, some of the quote solutions that 557 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 9: are being thrown out there for tanking, it may be 558 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 9: treating a little bit of the symptom, but it's going 559 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 9: to make the underlying problem worse. They're talking about, oh, 560 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 9: should we flatten the lottery odds even further and if 561 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 9: you don't make the playoffs, everyone has an equal chance 562 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 9: in the draft. That's going to make the problem worse. 563 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 9: That will make it harder for bad teams to get better. 564 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 9: That's going to increase the Cooper flags going to Dallas 565 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 9: sort of situation. To me, get rid of. 566 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 5: The lottery entirely. Just do it like the NFL does it. 567 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 9: Worst team gets number one, second third, Just like that, 568 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 9: you're not going to have as much middle of the 569 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 9: pack taking as we see right now. And again, that 570 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 9: is an avenue for a bad team to get better. 571 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 9: I think the thing that sort of is missing in 572 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 9: this tanking discussion is no team is sitting there being like, 573 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 9: you know what would be great. 574 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 5: It would be great if we. 575 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 9: Just like lost for six months straight, alienated our fans, 576 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 9: taught our young guys how to lose. 577 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 5: Let's do that. That would be fun. 578 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 9: They're doing it because they have to, not because they 579 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 9: want to make them not have to as much. 580 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 5: And you're going to solve that problem. 581 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: The you know, the other night, I'm watching San Antonio 582 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: play Detroit, and Detroit's a team that needs another score. 583 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: They're not a very good half court offensive team. You know, 584 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: they're just they're they're they're kind of the opposite of 585 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: the Lakers, where they're tough, they play real defense, but 586 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: they have like one guy. The Lakers play no defense. 587 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: They have three creators, but they're not athletic and are 588 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: not necessarily tough. But when I watched Detroit play San Antonio, 589 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, Detroit's good and San Antonio is having their 590 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: way with them. And I wonder if, I mean, if 591 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: you if you gave Wemby the MVP in that game. 592 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: He didn't even score until late and he dominated the 593 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: game with assists, with steals, with blocks. 594 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: With rebounds. 595 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: Around the league right now, is there a sense that 596 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: Wemby and the Spurs are not only going to break 597 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: up Okac, but they are the team going forward for 598 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: the next decade, because boy, they when they play Detroit, 599 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: You're like, man, there is a gap and Detroit's good. 600 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 9: Absolutely look, Wemby is such a special player. I said 601 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 9: it to you before he was even drafted. This guy 602 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 9: is going to be a top ten. 603 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 5: Player of all time. 604 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 9: I absolutely believe that he's only tracked further in that direction. 605 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 9: But the thing about this first team is I would 606 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 9: push back on the fact that there's only one guy. 607 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 9: They won in Toronto the other night, tenth win in 608 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 9: a row, and Wemby was pretty stifled offensively. And this 609 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 9: is what we have to watch in the playoffs, is 610 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 9: our team's going to figure out ways to limit him offensively. 611 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 9: What Toronto did was they really didn't let him catch 612 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 9: the ball inside. They got in front of him on 613 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 9: the perimeter, and the guards really stepped up. 614 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 5: And won that game. 615 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 9: I don't think that can happen through an entire playoff series, 616 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 9: or certainly not four rounds. So it's going to be 617 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 9: as teams have these game plans against webin Yama, is 618 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 9: he is the coaching staff going to be able to 619 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 9: figure ways to sort of get around those get him 620 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 9: out of those situations and start scoring again. And I 621 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 9: believe that they probably will. 622 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: He is such a. 623 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 9: Unique, incredible adaptive player who is such an open mindedness 624 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 9: to learn and try new things. 625 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 5: I think that can be a success. 626 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 9: So while we do say in the NBA, and it's 627 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 9: a truism for a reason, that you need to play 628 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 9: in the playoffs and get a little experience before you 629 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 9: can win an NBA title, I think if any team 630 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 9: could get to the NBA Finals on its first run through, 631 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 9: it could be this first team, just because Victor and 632 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 9: Webin Yama is such a unique super megastar. 633 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: All right, let's end it with this. Darren Peterson, Kansas kid. 634 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: You know I would draft him number one. I've watched 635 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: him play a half dozen times, but he has missed 636 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: eleven of twenty seven games with a cramp issue that 637 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: is above and beyond a lot that we've ever seen. 638 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: And I said it earlier, it's not just a basketball issue. 639 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: It is a athlete issue. If you're struggling with a 640 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 2: mental roadblock, it could be Jordan Speith, John Lester, the 641 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: Great Pitcher, David Duval, Markel Foltz, Royce White. 642 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: It happens. It happens to a lot of Americans. 643 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: I wonder when you talk, because it's a stacked draft 644 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: and it's just right around the corner, is it enough 645 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,959 Speaker 2: of a concern that it's like Okay Boozer at Duke 646 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 2: the Kid at by You. I mean, the first eight 647 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: players are all considered immediate impact guys or impact within 648 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 2: the first two years. 649 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: Is it hurting his draft stock? 650 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 9: I think it's not yet, but it has raised a 651 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 9: ton of questions. All the questions you guys are having, 652 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 9: the fans are having. NBA teams have those questions too, 653 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 9: what is really going on here? 654 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 5: Why are you doing this? 655 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 9: And so I think his interviews with the top teams 656 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 9: in the draft are going to be more important than 657 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 9: ever before. I think teams obviously are going to work 658 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 9: them out, try to see how he might fit into 659 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 9: their system basketball wise, but there are going to be 660 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 9: a lot of questions for him in those conversations, and 661 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 9: how he answers them is what I think is going 662 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 9: to decide where he ends up going in the draft, 663 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 9: Because if he has a good answer, if he has 664 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 9: an answer that makes sense that doesn't point toward as 665 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 9: you brought up earlier in Markel Folt's situation, then teams 666 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 9: are going to be like, all right, I get it, now, 667 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 9: we're going to draft him. If he can't really give 668 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 9: them the answers that they're looking for. I do think 669 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 9: that that will be a red flag for teams and 670 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 9: you might not see him go number one. Those interviews 671 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 9: are going to be very important. 672 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Rachel Nichols says, Ois, love you on the show. Great, Senia, 673 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: Thanks you bet. By the way, another reminder, we can 674 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: put it on the screen. It's called sports AI. It's 675 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 2: officially launched on the Fox Sports app. Download it, ask 676 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 2: it anything you want about sports. Fox has taken a 677 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: couple years worth of my shows. It's caught my cadence owned. Uh, 678 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. Uh, it's fun to play around with 679 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, maybe that's you know, j Mac, 680 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,479 Speaker 2: we may have just found another segment on this show. 681 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: Is that it just just more of me from another angle. Well, 682 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: we're not going to cut into my time with this? 683 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: Are well cut into your time? 684 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 4: Right? 685 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: Isn't it kind of amazing? Though it was scary. 686 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 6: I'm seriously that breakdown of Mendoza was like, oh okay, 687 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 6: so I don't know, man, it's a little troubling. 688 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 5: How good that was? 689 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, in Chicago, it's the hurt