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Speaker 1: I am six forty. You're listening to the John and

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Speaker 1: Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: There's been new stories concerning the Antifa activists. Antifa standing

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Speaker 2: for anti fascists. So we're going to talk now to

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Speaker 2: a man that's actually well he was once a part

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Speaker 2: of the Antifa movement, and facty he wrote a book

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Speaker 2: Behind the Black Mask, My Time as an Antifa activist.

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Speaker 1: Gabrielle Nadali's is on with us. Gabrielle, welcome, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me on. It's good to have you on here.

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Speaker 1: If I find this fascinating and I very much want

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Speaker 1: to read your book, let's start because we do have

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Speaker 1: limited time. What was your road to becoming sympathetic to

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Speaker 1: joining antifa?

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Speaker 3: So the best way to really understand antifa is to

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Speaker 3: make sure that you distinguish it from the original one.

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Speaker 3: The original one comes from nineteen forties and it's kind

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Speaker 3: of died out of for World War Two, the exception

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Speaker 3: of anarchist groups here and there all throughout the world right.

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Speaker 3: But in the nineteen eighties, the anti racist action in

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Speaker 3: America and the parallel of the Antifa movement in the

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Speaker 3: UK started being formed, and they did quite a few

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Speaker 3: different things. They would tour around with punk bands, which

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Speaker 3: is music groups to go beato Nazis and skinheads right.

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Speaker 3: But in the nineteen nineties the WTO protests happened and

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Speaker 3: there began to be a solarity among anarchists and left

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Speaker 3: wing and radical left right groups.

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Speaker 1: And the WTO protest that was the World Trade Organization

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Speaker 1: was up in Seattle.

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Speaker 4: Is that nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 3: Nine, that is correct? And then from there they're kind

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Speaker 3: of there seems to be the solidarity. And in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and seven, the first anti racist action chapter changed

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Speaker 3: its names to the Row City Antifa, which is the

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Speaker 3: one in Portland that's been active, continuously active since two

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Speaker 3: thousand and seven. And then a lot of these anti

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Speaker 3: racist action chapters changed themselves to Antifa, calling yourselves Antifa

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Speaker 3: or variation of that name. And in two thousand and eleven,

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Speaker 3: when I first joined, I loved punk music, so I

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Speaker 3: knew a lot about the history about ANTIFO, the w

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Speaker 3: I was already an activist. I just showed up to

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Speaker 3: a protest where I thought ANTIPO was going to be.

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Speaker 3: I dressed in all black and lo and behold that

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Speaker 3: they recruited me into the movement, and.

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Speaker 4: What were some of your first actions with the group.

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Speaker 3: So the first time I ever put on that black mask,

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Speaker 3: where I knew absolutely no one, it was actually to

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Speaker 3: protest the National Socialist Movement at Claremont, California. This is

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Speaker 3: in March of twenty eleven, and I knew that there

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Speaker 3: time I ever did anything. But it was really just

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Speaker 1: Were you actually fearful of Nazis spreading across America or

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Speaker 1: you were more interested in fighting something anything?

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Speaker 3: Well, I definitely think I saw that there was a

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Speaker 3: And when I found out that the National Socialist Movement,

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Speaker 3: which is an actual than that deserves a lot of shame,

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Speaker 3: was actually going to do a march in my community

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Speaker 3: or like two three cities from where I lived, I

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Speaker 3: they invited me to a lot of different things all

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Speaker 3: book fairs or the occupied protests in general, that they

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Speaker 4: Did you engage in any violent acts of any kind or.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looky that you know, I was seventeen at

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Speaker 3: at a courthouse. There's actually a video of this, and

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Speaker 3: I've showed it around on YouTube. You can't tell it's me,

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Speaker 3: obviously because I'm wearing all black and all that, but

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Speaker 3: That's kind of more of the screen versions.

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Speaker 1: They spend months and months doing this. What did you

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Speaker 3: You know, it's about what we believed, is that it's

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Speaker 3: all about incremental values. It's about showing up or putting

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Speaker 3: we're actually doing something. It's all about getting more and

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Speaker 3: But it's a little bit more vague or you look

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Speaker 3: more towards like your overall arching goals, and some of

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Speaker 3: to establish things such as like anarical syndicalism, or just

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Speaker 3: straight out like get all right.

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Speaker 1: Get rid of American democracy and replace it with.

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Speaker 3: What with anical cynicalism. Typically that's the most common answer

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Speaker 3: you'll get. There's some Antifa groups that are more communism.

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Speaker 1: But what is that? What is that that word that

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Speaker 1: you're using, what what what? What form of government is that?

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Speaker 3: It's it's a political theory that basically believes in anarchism.

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Speaker 3: So are no leaders, no police officers, none of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But you have typically small businesses that are working at

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Speaker 3: they're typically owned by every single employee. And it's definitely

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Speaker 3: it's supposed to be like everybody kind of working together

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Speaker 1: There's it's it's so at its core, it's dismantling our

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Speaker 3: And one of the yeah, and one of the reasons

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Speaker 3: you you would think that antifa means just fighting naz

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Speaker 3: he's fighting the KKAK. But ever since the nineteen nineties

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Speaker 3: at wto protest, it's encompassed a lot more of that.

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Speaker 3: They believe that in order to fight racism, well, you

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Speaker 3: have to dismantle capitalism. In order to fight racism and

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Speaker 3: fascist you also have to fight against corporations destroying the earth.

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Speaker 3: And those are some of the talking points that you

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Speaker 2: It seems like too they want to destroy police organizations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And as a matter of fact, when the whole

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, there was an antifa activist

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Speaker 3: Yorker asked them, okay, well, why are you trying to

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Speaker 3: get rid of the police, And he says something along

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Speaker 3: the lines of, well, it's getting us one closer, one

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Speaker 3: step closer to anarchism, to get rid of government and all,

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Speaker 3: it's very incrementalism type taking.

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Speaker 1: So let me the feelings of most of the public,

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Speaker 1: which likes American capitalism, likes their life, likes having police

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. I mean I love what you just said.

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Speaker 3: You know, we just received We put out a survey

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Speaker 3: They don't care. They have a big megaphone and they're

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Speaker 3: Because the police is one of them. A lot of

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Speaker 1: Why why does in your opinion, the media amplify all

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Speaker 2: Are important things we have to change and that these

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Speaker 3: There's a few different reasons for this. One way is

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Speaker 1: So there are enough people infiltrated the media and CNN

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not necessarily that they're members or they they just

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Speaker 4: Can you hold on sure?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: We're talking to Gabriel and Da Dallas.

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Speaker 2: The book is Behind the Black Mask, My Time as

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Speaker 2: an Antifa activist. Yes, he did wear the black mask,

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Speaker 2: group you want to call it antifa, anti fascist, but

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Speaker 2: he changed his ways and he's talking about what it's

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Speaker 2: like to be on the inside. More coming up Johnny

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Speaker 1: We continue with that Gabriel Nadalas. He's got a book.

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Speaker 2: Down Behind the Black Mask, My Time as an Antifa activist,

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Speaker 2: and he was a member, if you want to call

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Speaker 2: it a member. That's something I wanted to ask about

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Speaker 2: when we get him back on the air here. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is I've always been curious how organized is being

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Speaker 2: have leaders? Just communicate on social media? How do you

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Speaker 2: know what demonstration to go to? How does all this work?

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Speaker 2: I never understood this.

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Speaker 3: I mean it varies a lot of where you're from.

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Speaker 2: All Right, thank you very much for coming on the

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Speaker 2: All right, so now we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 2: At least somebody is talking about the border, right. You

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Speaker 6: don't address that because we're fighting over racism issues.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And of course all the uproar over the migrant flights

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Speaker 2: flying migrants to places like California, by Florida and by Texas.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's your reaction to all of that? Isn't

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Speaker 2: that a rational way to say, let's spread out the problem.

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Speaker 2: We're not a sanctuary state or a sanctuary city. We

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Speaker 2: have too many migrants who have come here from foreign countries.

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Speaker 2: We can't handle this in our state. You need to

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Speaker 2: spread them out. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: But of course this has been turned into another uproar

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Speaker 2: in your right claims of racism.

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Speaker 6: And let me tell you the hypocrisy of that we

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Speaker 6: have between San Fernandino Riverside and not in Summardino, Orange County,

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Speaker 6: San Diego and Riverside County. The state has sent over

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Speaker 6: one hundred thousand immigrants to other states. Why is no

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Speaker 6: one asking Governor Knews about that. It's his funding, he's

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Speaker 6: doing it, he's arranging it. But yet he's calling out

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Speaker 6: governors from other states for sending them to California. There

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Speaker 6: is no bigger hypocrit than our governor, and no one

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Speaker 6: has them out on it, and no one is making

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Speaker 6: an answer those questions. It's it's when you get to

458
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Speaker 6: that level where everyone's making things about politics. All of

459
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Speaker 6: them are a joke and they need to go away.

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Speaker 6: We need to stop voting for these people and make

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Speaker 6: them go away.

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Speaker 2: You're saying the California sent one hundred thousand migrants to

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Speaker 2: other states at least, and where do you get that

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Speaker 2: information from?

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Speaker 3: Those are?

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Speaker 6: Those are our numbers? Those are they're they're being dropped

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Speaker 6: off in Riverside County, San or Riverside County, San Diego County,

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Speaker 6: and in Orange County. We have to handle them, We

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Speaker 6: have to process them, our medical uh, our Department of Health,

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Speaker 6: County Department of Health has to make sure they're they're

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Speaker 6: they're taking care of medically physically. We house them in

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Speaker 6: hotels if our NGOs don't have room, and then we

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Speaker 6: figure out where they're going to go or where they

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Speaker 6: want to go, and then we pay for them to

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Speaker 6: get there. The state is paying millions and millions of

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Speaker 6: dollars to send these ego, these people that are coming

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Speaker 6: across illegally to other states. But yet our failure of

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Speaker 6: a governor wants to accuse other people of doing it

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Speaker 6: so he can get a few media spots for his

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Speaker 6: god forbid run for president.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that may be what we're looking at eventually, someday,

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Speaker 2: if not next year.

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Speaker 4: I have been twenty twenty eight. What do you think

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Speaker 4: of the presidential campaign?

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Speaker 2: So does this mean that you're endorsing Ron DeSantis and

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Speaker 2: you think is the best answers to the border problems.

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Speaker 6: No, it means that at all. It goes back to

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Speaker 6: what I said earlier. If President Biden would come up

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Speaker 6: with something like that, I jump on board with it.

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Speaker 6: If you change the Dessander's name to Biden, I would

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Speaker 6: jump on board with that also. And if Trump said something,

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Speaker 6: or if Kennedy said something, I would be fully on

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Speaker 6: board because this isn't about politics. When you're talking about

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Speaker 6: law enforcement and public safety. It's not about politics. It's

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Speaker 6: right versus wrong, it's black versus white, and it's what

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Speaker 6: are we doing to better make our communities safe and

497
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Speaker 6: if we're failing, we have to do something different. And

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Speaker 6: if someone has a better way of doing it or

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Speaker 6: a better plan, I'm all for it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the other side likes to call the migrant

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Speaker 2: crisis a humanitarian crisis, and you know, you can make

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Speaker 2: an argument that people are looking for and escape from

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Speaker 2: their home country. But the drug part, I'm talking to

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Speaker 2: Riverside County Shriff Chad Bianco. The whole idea of getting

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Speaker 2: all these drugs into the country, particularly now with the

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Speaker 2: fentanyl problem, you would think they would be doing everything

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Speaker 2: they could to stop this from happening. And one of

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Speaker 2: my theories is that it's such a big money maker

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Speaker 2: from Mexico, the Mexican government is not interested in stopping

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Speaker 2: the cartels.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, probably not. And we all know through history, we

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Speaker 6: know that the cartels have a major, major, major influence

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Speaker 6: in the politics in Mexico. So you're exactly right with that.

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Speaker 6: But here here it's just all about politics. Is how

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Speaker 6: can we use a how can we use a catastrophe

517
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Speaker 6: or how can we use an emergency for our own benefit,

518
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Speaker 6: and we'll twist it around and call it something that

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Speaker 6: it's not, and we'll try and benefit from it politically.

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Speaker 6: And it flies in the face of public safety, which

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Speaker 6: is why no one, no politician is going to debate

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Speaker 6: a law enforcement officer about public safety because, to be

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Speaker 6: quite honest, the ones that we have, and especially the

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Speaker 6: leaders we have, they don't care.

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Speaker 4: All Right, Sheriff Chad Bianco, thanks for talking to me.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it absolutely.

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Speaker 6: You're welcome anytime.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco. And of course

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Speaker 2: he's in the news because he's joined a coalition of

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Speaker 2: sheriffs from around the country to address the border crisis.

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Speaker 2: This is coming from the Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and

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Speaker 2: his campaign for presidents and they want to try to

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Speaker 2: work on solutions to not only the migrant problem, but

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Speaker 2: of course the drug problem. John and Ken KFI AM

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Speaker 2: six forty live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 5: AM six forty.

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Speaker 4: It's become the hot new topic.

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Speaker 2: Getting rid of your gas stove the climate fanatics, of course,

540
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: spent a lot of years trying to get you out

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Speaker 2: of your car. Well, they probably hit a bump there

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Speaker 2: that they can't quite get over right now, although they're

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Speaker 2: coming up with ideas like mileage taxes, which they keep pushing.

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Speaker 2: But so the next thing that they're thinking about is

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Speaker 2: the gas s dove. Well, there's an offshoot to this story,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to take us to New York City

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Speaker 2: and it involves probably one of the most treasured precious

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Speaker 2: food items for New York City people who live there

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Speaker 2: and visit there, and that's the pizza. And the war

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Speaker 2: there concerns the coal and the wood fired ovens that

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Speaker 2: make the pizza. That's what makes the pizza the best.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who professionally cooks pizza can tell you, or bakes

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Speaker 2: it can tell you. It is critical that you have

554
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Speaker 2: just the right oven to cook the dough and the ingredients. Well,

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Speaker 2: New York City is coming after coal and wood fired ovens,

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Speaker 2: and it's got the pizza people really work up. The

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Speaker 2: New York City Department of Environmental Protection as drafted new

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Speaker 2: rules that would order these pizza places using these decades

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Speaker 2: old baking method to slice carbon emissions by up to

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent. The statement from one of their spokesholes

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Speaker 2: Ted Timbers, is all New Yorkers deserve to breathe healthy air,

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Speaker 2: and wood and cold fired stoves are among the largest

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Speaker 2: contributors of harmful pollutants in neighborhoods with poor air quality. Oh,

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Speaker 2: they've got to be kidding me. This is very similar

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Speaker 2: to the gas stove of argument. This common sense rule

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Speaker 2: developed with restaurant and environmental justice groups.

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Speaker 4: There's the keywords.

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Speaker 2: Environmental justice groups requires a professional review of whether installing

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Speaker 2: emissions controls is feasible. So the rule would require pizzerias

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Speaker 2: with ovens installed prior to May of twenty sixteen to

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Speaker 2: buy emission control devices. The honer of one Brooklyn pizza

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Speaker 2: place says he's already thrown out twenty thousand dollars on

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Speaker 2: an air filter system in anticipation of the new mandate.

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Speaker 2: Others are saying this is just too much money for

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Speaker 2: us to spend on pollution control equipment for something. Is

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're coming after pizza in New York City

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Speaker 2: trying to slash carbon emissions from wood and coal fired stoves. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: We have some audio we're actually going to begin. I

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Speaker 2: did see this guy's gone kind of viral. It's a

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Speaker 2: conservative man who lives in New York City. It's like

581
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Speaker 2: being a conservative guy in San Francisco. His name is

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Speaker 2: Scott Lobato. And he made the news because he took

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Speaker 2: his protest right to New York City City Hall and

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Speaker 2: he started tossing pizzas over the fence at city Hall.

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Speaker 2: And here is part of his rant.

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Speaker 7: The won't idiots who run the city are doing everything

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Speaker 7: in that power to this.

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Speaker 4: We have naked men with it bouncing around.

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Speaker 7: All over the city yesterday in public, in front of children.

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Speaker 7: We have the most violent, raging crime rate ever. We

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Speaker 7: are being invaded by illegal immigrants who are being treated

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Speaker 7: way better than our homeless veterans. Our teachers and first

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Speaker 7: respond to heroes who were fired still not compensated because

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Speaker 7: they didn't take the Fauci injection. Our city schools produced

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Speaker 7: the dumbest kids, and the woke punks who run New

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Speaker 7: York City are afraid of pizza. The world used to

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Speaker 7: respect New Yorkers as tough, thick skinned and gritty.

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Speaker 4: Now we have becomefortified.

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Speaker 7: It's a damn shame you heard of the Boston tea Party. Well,

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Speaker 7: this is the Boston New York. This is the New

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Speaker 7: York Pizza Party. Give us pizza or give us death.

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Speaker 7: Give us pizza or give us death. Well, give us pizza,

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Speaker 7: We'll give us death.

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Speaker 4: There it's the chance pizza or give us pizza. Can't

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Speaker 4: give us death. But they put everything in there and

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Speaker 4: the revolution against the wolf.

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Speaker 7: That's what this city keeps doing. Can't have a small business,

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Speaker 7: can't have pizza. New York City is nothing without pizza.

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Speaker 7: The Boston key party, this is the New York Pizza Party.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: A city official said that under a hundred restaurants would

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Speaker 2: be impacted. A pizza restaurant here told The New York

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Speaker 2: Post that there are negotiations underway with the Department of

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Speaker 2: Environmental Protection to maybe grandfather in or exempt dozens of

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Speaker 2: coal and wood fired pizza joints from the mandate. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I went out to a pretty really good pizza place,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it's a good place that takes it

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Speaker 2: very seriously because the menu has all the different kinds

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Speaker 2: of pizza that you can get Chicago style or Detroit

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Speaker 2: style or New York and it's different ovens. The way

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Speaker 2: they do, because it's a whole different technique. This restaurant

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Speaker 2: tour said, this is an unfended, unfunded mandate. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: cost us a fortune, not to mention ruining the taste

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Speaker 2: of the pizza, which could totally destroy the product. He said,

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Speaker 2: if you bleep around with the temperature in the oven,

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Speaker 2: you're going to change the taste. That pipe, that chimney,

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Speaker 2: it's that size to create the perfect updraft, keeps the

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Speaker 2: temperature perfect. It's an art as much as his science.

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Speaker 2: You take away the char the thing that makes the

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Speaker 2: pizza taste great, you kill the whole thing. And for

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Speaker 2: what you really think you're changing the environment with these

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Speaker 2: eight or nine pizza ovens. That's, of course the overriding point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the madness that has infected California has made

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Speaker 2: its way to many other states, including New York City,

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Speaker 2: where now they're worried about emissions from pizza ovens. You

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Speaker 2: have got to be kidding me. He's exactly right. And again,

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Speaker 2: the total emissions of California New York together is a

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Speaker 2: fraction of the world's emissions. This is absolutely incredible. One

639
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Speaker 2: other resident said, just tell al Gore to take one

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Speaker 2: less private jet or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Give me a break. This is hard to believe.

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Speaker 2: And an owner of another pizza place says the air

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Speaker 2: scrubbers he doesn't think will affect the quality of the

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00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: taste or the texture of the pies. If someone is

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00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: trying to say they're putting the scrubber in changes the

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Speaker 2: flavor of the pizza, well, they're trying to save themselves

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars. But twenty thousand dollars is a lot

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Speaker 2: of money for a small business to afford. Some of

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Speaker 2: these businesses, particularly how badly they got hit by the

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Speaker 2: whole pandemic and the lockdowns from a couple of years back,

651
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: are still struggling to recover. And you're going to come

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Speaker 2: after them over their wood and coal fired pizza oven emissions.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable.

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