WEBVTT - Hour 1: Trump's Cases

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Jesse Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have some fun on a Tuesday and years what

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<v Speaker 1>we have on Tap four a Tuesday pro lifers being arrested, convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>thrown in prison by your government. War has been declared

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<v Speaker 1>on American Christianity. We will talk about that. I made

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<v Speaker 1>a prediction about Biden, Jim Clyburn, the blackfaux Democrats, their concerns.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like that was true family having their child taken

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<v Speaker 1>away from them in a red state. That how Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden opened the border. A little inside info on that

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<v Speaker 1>suicide drone that killed Americans. All that, so much more

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<v Speaker 1>coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to begin someplace totally different, though totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>We approached things differently on the show because I look

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<v Speaker 1>at things differently. Ihan Omar is all over the news

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Radical communist out of Minneapolis. Family immigrated to

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<v Speaker 1>America when she was a child. They left the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>dump on the planet. Now she's a member of Congress

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<v Speaker 1>trying to destroy the country. People were even digging up

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<v Speaker 1>older audio clips of her saying things like this.

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<v Speaker 3>President introduced the Muslim band knowing that Mike the country

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<v Speaker 3>I came from, owing that Mike the country I came from,

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<v Speaker 3>owing that Mike the country I came from.

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<v Speaker 1>We all heard what she was about to say, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that my country, uh, the country I came from. And

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<v Speaker 1>today I hear Republican after Republican after Republican. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's been on every radio show and TV show saying.

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<v Speaker 2>She needs to be expelled.

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<v Speaker 1>Ilhan Omar needs to be expelled from Congress. I disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>I will explain why. I'll explain why in a moment

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to any that you should know. Josh Hammer,

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<v Speaker 1>legal experts gonna join us about a half hour from now.

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<v Speaker 1>I have questions about the Trump trials in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and elsewhere, so we'll get to that. But let's get

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<v Speaker 1>back to ilhan Omar and why I disagree with removing

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<v Speaker 1>her from Congress. I'm gonna read a couple of emails

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<v Speaker 1>to you. One will sound totally unrelated, one's very related.

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<v Speaker 2>But just stay with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise I'm going somewhere with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>Businesses are leaving the United States at an alarming rate.

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<v Speaker 1>The media refuses to report on it. Another person lost

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<v Speaker 1>their job the company's heading for Mexico. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>the cheap labor, but the business killing regulations by the

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<v Speaker 1>climate change nutters. Sounds unrelated, doesn't it. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>stay with me, stay with me. I have another email,

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<v Speaker 1>This one actually is about Ilha No more greetings, balding,

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<v Speaker 1>pink pink flower. I sadly live in our district. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>unable to move my do the health of my ninety

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<v Speaker 1>four year old mother. Totally get that ninety four year

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<v Speaker 1>old mother in law. As soon as I can, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be getting out of dodge. And this guy goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to explain it's a little long, but goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>explain the constituency of ilhan Omar. Why would I disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with removing a radical communist nut job from Congress. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like something that would be right up my alley, right,

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<v Speaker 1>probably something that's right up your alley. My goodness, punish

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<v Speaker 1>a communists. Let's get these dirty anti American commy scum

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<v Speaker 1>out of our office, out of office.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's why I disagree. Tackling a problem at its

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<v Speaker 1>root is really the only effective way to tackle a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you struggle with your weight a lot of people do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very common today. Some people are just bigger, diets

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<v Speaker 1>worse today, we're more sedentary, more whatever. For There are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of reasons, but a lot of people struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with weight. Maybe you struggle with weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you too fat? People get fat? Are you fat?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? In this day and age, there are a million

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<v Speaker 1>and one options to dump the weight and dump it quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Michael, what's that thing? O zambeak? What is that

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<v Speaker 2>the name of that shot?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a shot out there that's ozambik Okay, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it was called. There's even a shot today

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<v Speaker 1>you can take. You go, get a needle plunged into

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<v Speaker 1>your body and they squirt you full of stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>the weight falls off. Now, let me ask you something.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that that is the most effective, long

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<v Speaker 1>time term strategy for keeping the weight off, injecting pharmaceuticals

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<v Speaker 1>into your body. I'm not saying don't do it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you do whatever you want with your life and your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you trust that that's fine, But I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can all agree that's not the best long term solution.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a human being who struggles with weight, what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do is attack the root of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The root of the problem is not that you're cupcaking

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<v Speaker 1>over your genes. That's a symptom of the root of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. The root of the problem is you eat

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<v Speaker 1>too much and or you don't move enough. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>root of the problem. If you tackle the root of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, then the cupcaking over the gens stops. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the evil communists we have in Congress. The

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<v Speaker 1>squad is all over the news. Now, AOC is always

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<v Speaker 1>in the news, you know, the courtesy of the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>AOC is always in the news. Ilhan Omar's in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Now move them, get them out of Congress. Iohan Omar

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<v Speaker 1>is not the root of the problem. She's the cupcake

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<v Speaker 1>and fat over the jeans. We must attack the root

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem. That email about the businesses that are leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great email. Why it attacks the root of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. Nobody wants to address the root of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The root of the problem is we have for decades

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<v Speaker 1>filled up this country with people who hate it at worst,

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<v Speaker 1>at best, don't really feel any affinity for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've educated not only them, but American citizens for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>not just in school. Our media does it, our education

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<v Speaker 1>system does it. We've educated people for decades that this

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<v Speaker 1>country sucks. This is a horrible place.

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<v Speaker 2>Burn it, loot it.

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<v Speaker 1>America's the worst. America is the height of all evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would I want ilhan Omar expelled from Congress? I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in a representative republic. Don't you?

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<v Speaker 2>You do, don't you?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what America is, a representative republic. Well, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough pill to swallow. Ilhan Omar, AOC. They are perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>representative of their constituents. Ilhan Omar represents the people of

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<v Speaker 1>her Minneapolis district, the white guilt liberals, the endless amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of Somali immigration they've allowed to completely change Minneapolis. Ilhan Omar,

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<v Speaker 1>you can expel her today, remove her tomorrow for all

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<v Speaker 1>I care. I don't care about that Kami witch. But

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<v Speaker 1>you should understand if you remove ihan Omar tomorrow, you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't accomplished a thing. When it comes to the root

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem. The root of the problem is the people.

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<v Speaker 1>The root of the problem with AOC is not all

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<v Speaker 1>the stupid things she says or the kami things she pushes.

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<v Speaker 1>The root of the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the people.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Bronx who want a filthy communist to burn

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<v Speaker 1>the country down. That's the root of the problem, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we don't want to talk about. And we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about it for the same reason

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<v Speaker 1>the big fat person doesn't want to diet, doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to exercise. That's hard, that's difficult. That involves real changes

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<v Speaker 1>and lifestyle changes, and they that's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't I just go get a shot and drop

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<v Speaker 2>the weight off.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want to tackle the root of the problem

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<v Speaker 1>because tackling the root of the problem will take more

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<v Speaker 1>time and it will take more effort on all of

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<v Speaker 1>our behalf. We just want someone to go fix it. Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>the GOP has the House, just vote and.

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of Omar. That'll take care of it, right, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>As if George Washington's gonna turn around and get elected

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<v Speaker 1>in her district, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of Omar.

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<v Speaker 1>Why if you're not going to change the people, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to change the culture that props up

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<v Speaker 1>anti American hags like Ilhan Omar, then you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get the next version of her, and then the next

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<v Speaker 1>version of her, and then the next version of her

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<v Speaker 1>after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Without end.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless you're going to go for a walk and skip

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<v Speaker 1>the cupcakes once, the weight will always, always, always, always

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<v Speaker 1>come back because you never attacked the root of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The root of the problem is so much deeper than

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<v Speaker 1>we act like it is. It's why I rant all

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<v Speaker 1>the time about the savior complex of the right. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just select Trump to fix it. I talk to

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<v Speaker 1>my Norman neighbors all the time. They hate Biden, they

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<v Speaker 1>hate all this stuff. And now you know what they

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<v Speaker 1>tell me. Don't worry, Jesse. We're gonna get Trump in

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<v Speaker 1>there and he'll fix it all. I just put my

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<v Speaker 1>head in my hands. Trump's gonna fix it all. No

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<v Speaker 1>man can fix it all. It's crazy, and more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's lazy. We want a magic pill, a magic man

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<v Speaker 1>step in fix everything. But the problem is deeper. The

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<v Speaker 1>roots are deeper, and it will take all of our

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<v Speaker 1>efforts for decades to fix it. That's the truth. A

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more on this in a moment. I should

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<v Speaker 1>announce this now. Pro life demonstrators were just convicted by

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's the OJ and they're facing eleven years in federal prison.

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<v Speaker 1>They need your prayers, and this is a reminder and

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into this a little bit more lately or later,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is a reminder that the work of being

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<v Speaker 1>pro life doesn't stop just because rovers's way got overturned.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have so much more to do culturally and

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<v Speaker 1>within the government. Let's use preborn and fight back. The

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<v Speaker 1>gift of even one life makes all of it worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>You buy a woman a free ultrasound, a woman who's

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<v Speaker 1>about to have an abortion, You're gonna get her to

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<v Speaker 1>choose life. That's one of the best ways we can

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<v Speaker 1>fight back on behalf of the babies. Buck spies that ultrasound.

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<v Speaker 1>Preborn dot com slash Jesse all Right, preborn dot com

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<v Speaker 1>slash Jesse get the Cure for Rhinos. Eight days with

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly Show

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<v Speaker 1>on a Tuesday, and I've decided something. You know, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of talk about about our government and

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<v Speaker 1>why we have these people in our government, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing an analogy for weight loss and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've decided something. I'm going to attack the root of

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<v Speaker 1>my own problem fashion. You understand you're a Jesse Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Show listener. You understand that I struggle with dressing myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what looks good, what doesn't look good,

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<v Speaker 1>what color combos are supposed to be here. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>people yell at me all the time for wearing white

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<v Speaker 1>tube socks. All wear boots and I'll have white tube

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<v Speaker 1>socks with them, or I'll just wear your hiking boots

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<v Speaker 1>or something and white tube.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, ah, that looks so stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what, I've decided, I'm going to attack

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<v Speaker 1>the root of the problem. I'm not gonna hire somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to come pick out clothes for me or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I you ready for this. I'm gonna become a fashion

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<v Speaker 1>icon what Chris I am. I'm gonna look really fashionable

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<v Speaker 1>on the show a lot and wear fashion stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna learn how to do fashion stuff. There'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot of a lot of leather and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>If what Chris leathers is not what do people know?

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<v Speaker 1>It does not Chris? It does me not that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of le Stop. Why don't you grow up? I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>become a fashion icon. I just wanted everyone to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's get to something here. Oh and I need

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<v Speaker 1>to give everyone else that heads up. I probably should

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<v Speaker 1>have led with this more emphatically, Josh Hammer, he's my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna join us about ten minutes from now. There

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<v Speaker 1>are all these trials right now for Trump, the Egene

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<v Speaker 1>Carol trial. You know, she just got her verdicts where

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<v Speaker 1>she's awarded supposedly all this money from Trump. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was her response on Rachel Maddow's show. She definitely sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty traumatized survivor. You've talked about using some

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump's money that you're about to get to help

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<v Speaker 1>shore up women's rights. Do you know what that might be,

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<v Speaker 1>what that might look like?

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<v Speaker 4>Rachel?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, tell me first, sing, Rachel, you and I aren

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<v Speaker 1>go shopping to get completely new wardrobes, new shoes, motorcycle

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<v Speaker 1>for crawling, new fishing rod for Robbie. Rachel, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Penhouse?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Rachel Penhouse and France? You want France? You want

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<v Speaker 1>to go fishing in France?

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<v Speaker 2>No, all right, just.

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<v Speaker 1>A heads up, just a quick side note, heads up

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody who maybe gets a judgment awarded in their

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<v Speaker 1>favor and the judgment is kind of how traumatized you were.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go on television bragging about the purses and motorcycles you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna buy with the money just to heads up makes

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<v Speaker 1>it look like you're not real anyway. Anyway, Josh Hammer's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna join us next to lay out everything. Okay, there's

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<v Speaker 1>three different things happening in New York. Did this funny

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<v Speaker 1>Willis thing? In Atlanta? This scandal where it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>she was having a relationship with one of her underlings?

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<v Speaker 2>Did this help Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>In Georgia?

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<v Speaker 2>We needed that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Georgia was really the one that was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be really, really bad?

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<v Speaker 4>Did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did it help? We'll find out the DC thing. What's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in DC? They want they want to have

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<v Speaker 1>the trial. The Supreme Court stepped in. Let's find out

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<v Speaker 1>the who's who and what's what. It may take me

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. We'll get through all that with Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to do this first, So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>try to get to a lot of these tonight before

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<v Speaker 1>I get to Hammer. And remember, about a half hour

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<v Speaker 1>from now, I'm gonna reveal some information about that drone

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<v Speaker 1>strike you probably haven't heard, and man, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>job dropper.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get to some.

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<v Speaker 1>Hate mail though. Remember you can even oh hate mail

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<v Speaker 1>two Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. I doubt anyone

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<v Speaker 1>will read or especially respond. This is from some commy

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<v Speaker 1>I tune at the in at the end of a

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<v Speaker 1>segment where Jesse Kelly was calling January sixth an inside job?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this sarcasm being obtuse? I've heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation and lies, but this one is worthy of criminal charges.

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<v Speaker 1>I Jesse's theory about January sixth was an inside job. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let me explain something. You're a communist. You live

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<v Speaker 1>in a world that is not real because you watch

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<v Speaker 1>the news, you read the newspaper. You only read and

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<v Speaker 1>watch people who lie to you at all times. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear information that is true and is real,

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<v Speaker 1>it can sound shocking to you. But more to the point,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just be honest. This one's worthy of criminal charges.

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<v Speaker 2>You want me thrown.

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<v Speaker 1>In prison for saying things you don't like? You know

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<v Speaker 1>what that makes you?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, communists, You know that you're the bad guy,

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<v Speaker 1>And I know I know you're so mentally and spiritually

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<v Speaker 1>shattered by your sick, demonic religion that it's really really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see this. I know that, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to go look in the mirror, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to look in that mirror, and I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to look at yourself, and I want you to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I want someone thrown in prison because he says things

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree with. I want you to just say that

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<v Speaker 1>to yourself ten times. As you look in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that you're the bad guy in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the good guy. If there are ever any honest

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<v Speaker 1>history books written fifty years from now, one hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>from now, they talk about, you know, anti communists who

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to fight as hard as they could against

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<v Speaker 1>demons like you. You might even end up actually being named

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<v Speaker 1>in history books as one of the monsters. You probably

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<v Speaker 1>know all there is about Nazis. You probably don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about Stalin or Mao for whatever reason, but you

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<v Speaker 1>probably know everything about Nazis. How beut you've even criticized

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<v Speaker 1>the campguards. That'd be you one day. You know that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you. You're the bad guy. And let me be

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<v Speaker 1>clear about something. I am your enemy. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>you to know we are enemies. Until you stop being

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guy. We're enemies, all right, All right? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>le's talk about something wonderful. Let's talk about finding a

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<v Speaker 1>way to retire one day. I see these stats about

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<v Speaker 1>people savings are being drained credit cards through the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>How are normal people ever supposed to cobble together enough

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<v Speaker 1>to retire? Well, maybe done for You real Estate can

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<v Speaker 1>help you out with that. Done for You real Estate

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<v Speaker 1>you know they they're the ones who are gonna teach you,

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<v Speaker 1>walk you through every part of the process. I'm beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire real estate so you can rent it out

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<v Speaker 1>and begin to acquire wealth. No, you're not made of money.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll start out with a house, It'll turn into two five.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon you're retiring with ten rental homes and passing them

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<v Speaker 1>down to your kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse, I'm not a millionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>This is for teachers, construction workers, normal people. They will

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<v Speaker 1>walk you through it all. And these are my friends

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<v Speaker 1>and love. These guys go to Done for You Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com. The stories I hear from you about dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with them, it just it melts my heart. Man, if

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<v Speaker 1>I had one done for you Jesse dot com, go

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<v Speaker 1>find out how right We'll be back. The Jesse Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Show I Like It returns next.

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<v Speaker 2>It is The.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Kelly Show and I am ashamed at how long

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<v Speaker 1>it took me just now to make the connection between

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<v Speaker 1>having on Josh Hammer and the song being by mc hammer,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's I'm just I'm ashamed with myself. Anyway, My

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<v Speaker 1>boy Josh Hammer, he's got a show out, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast out right now. You really need to I

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<v Speaker 1>need it. America on Trial because we have all these trials,

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<v Speaker 1>all these Trump trials going on in the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to keep track of all of them. He's

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<v Speaker 1>facing like nine thousand years in prison, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going on and.

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<v Speaker 2>When it's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So Josh is joining us now to talk about some things. Okay, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>e Jeene Carroll just want a big bunch of money

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<v Speaker 1>from Trump in New York City? Why, bro Jesse.

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<v Speaker 4>Always a pleasure to join you, even with your delayed

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<v Speaker 4>recognition of my anthem man my anthem her Hammer time.

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<v Speaker 4>But all good. So you had this absurd and truly

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<v Speaker 4>absurd verdict last Friday, So what happens? Do you want

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<v Speaker 4>to backtrack a little bit? In twenty nineteen, Ejing Carroll

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<v Speaker 4>comes out to The New Yorker, a reliably liberal publication,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, and she says, oh, Donald Trump groped me,

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<v Speaker 4>he sexually assaulted me. He did this, he did that

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<v Speaker 4>back in the directing room of a Bergdorf Goodman off

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<v Speaker 4>Fifth Avenue in New York City, like twenty five thirty

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<v Speaker 4>years ago. And Trump's response, as would be the response

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<v Speaker 4>of any reasonable man who has been accused of doing

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<v Speaker 4>bad things to women that he did not do, was

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<v Speaker 4>to call her a liar. And she said this, and

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<v Speaker 4>she's that. And in response, then Ejing Carol files these

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<v Speaker 4>two defamation lawsuits. A little confusing as to others too,

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<v Speaker 4>but in any event, earlier last year, the verdict came

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<v Speaker 4>in for the first with five million dollars in damages

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<v Speaker 4>for the civil allegation of sexual assault and then also defamation.

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<v Speaker 4>And then last Friday, the second lawsuit drops three point

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<v Speaker 4>three million dollars combined in compensatory and penitive damages. To

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<v Speaker 4>break down the legalese there, the compensatory damage is what

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<v Speaker 4>the jury basically assesses is what the restitution is. In

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<v Speaker 4>other words, to make Egene Tarrell hole again. Apparently Jesse

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<v Speaker 4>her ego is so fragile that she needs eighteen point

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<v Speaker 4>three million dollars to restore her sense of ego, and

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<v Speaker 4>then if that wasn't enough, they flasp another sixty five

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<v Speaker 4>million impunitive damages, which is exactly what it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a rarer form of damages handed down by

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<v Speaker 4>courts that exists for the sole purpose of just trying

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<v Speaker 4>to make an example out of the litigains. Now, what

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<v Speaker 4>I argued on the show in our pilot episode Yesterday

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<v Speaker 4>Morning America on Trial, what I argued is that that

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<v Speaker 4>fifty five million dollar inpuniti of damages number, it is

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<v Speaker 4>actually probably unconstitutional. The Supreme Court does not view excessive

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<v Speaker 4>punitive damages very favorably, and that ratio of punitive to

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<v Speaker 4>compensatory damages of an over three to one ratio, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's probably going to be struck down on appeal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I like Trump's legal odds there if a federal court,

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<v Speaker 4>it's outside of the nonsensical state courts there in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>But for now, just an utterly absurd ruling less Friday

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<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Josh, you've mentioned to me before that Trump's going

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<v Speaker 1>to appeal this. Forgive me, most of us are not lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean he doesn't have to stroke her a check?

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<v Speaker 1>He does, and then she has to give it back.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it mean he has to appeal this and he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get the same crappy judge, same location that he

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<v Speaker 1>was last time. Is he's staying in New York City?

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<v Speaker 1>How does this work? From here?

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<v Speaker 4>Every judgment is different, But the usual way this works

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<v Speaker 4>is that he's not gonna have to cost anything up

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<v Speaker 4>until the appeal process has been rendered, and then and

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<v Speaker 4>then after that. So you know, for example, let's say

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<v Speaker 4>that Trump does prevail on appeal, and the appellate court

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<v Speaker 4>there in New York, say would be the US Court

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<v Speaker 4>Appeals for the Second Circuit. So if he does prevail there,

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<v Speaker 4>then he probably can then also try to get each

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<v Speaker 4>cal to cover his attorney fees as well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's actually part of the problem politically, Jesse for Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>is that his legal bills, his attorney fees are just

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<v Speaker 4>astronomical at this point, just totally totally through the roof.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's going to get his shot on appeal. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I said, it'll be before the Second Circuit, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the court above what he just held this hearing in.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a different court. It is not one of

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<v Speaker 4>the more conservative appeals court. So for example, they're in Texas,

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<v Speaker 4>where you live and where I clerked on the Fifth Circuit.

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<v Speaker 4>The Fifth Circuit is a conservative court, one of the

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<v Speaker 4>two most conservative appellate courts in the country, along with

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<v Speaker 4>the Eighth. The second Circuit there in New York State

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<v Speaker 4>is definitely not as conservative as a fifth But there

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<v Speaker 4>are a number of fair judges. There are a number

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<v Speaker 4>of Trump phenomenees there, so we'll have to see which

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<v Speaker 4>three judge panel he gets. I think the law is

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<v Speaker 4>fairly straightforward here, so I like his odes, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it definitely depends on the panel that he draws.

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<v Speaker 1>Speak of with Josh Hammer, he has a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>podcast now, very very short, easily digestic, breaking down all

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<v Speaker 1>the legal crap going on this year.

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<v Speaker 2>For lack of a better way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Josh, we're going to stay right in New York

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<v Speaker 1>City because that's one of about eighty trials he has

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<v Speaker 1>going on in New York City. There's still Latitia James,

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<v Speaker 1>there's still Alvin Bragg. Can you separate those for me?

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<v Speaker 2>The wins? The what's is he going to prison? In

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<v Speaker 2>New York State?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's kind of funny, right, It's darkly funny. I

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<v Speaker 4>should say, because both Alvin Bragg and Tiss James, Alvin

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<v Speaker 4>Bragg would be the district attorney, the prosecutor in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 4>in New York County, and then Letitia James or Tiss

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<v Speaker 4>James that she is usually known, she's the attorney general.

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<v Speaker 4>They both ran Jesse for their respective offices on an

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<v Speaker 4>explicit get Trump platform, which is really icky and grossly immoral.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, to the extent it's not illegal to

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<v Speaker 4>run for a state prosecutorial office and during the course

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<v Speaker 4>of that campaign valing that you're going to use the

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<v Speaker 4>power of the state to get your political foes. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just gross. It's gross, and it is patently on American.

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<v Speaker 4>But nonetheless, they both did run on those platforms, and

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<v Speaker 4>the people of New York apparently said, Okay, we'll take

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<v Speaker 4>that because they're both in office. So Alvin Bragg's prosecution

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<v Speaker 4>that would the first one to drop last spring. It's

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<v Speaker 4>thirty four counts. This involved Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels

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<v Speaker 4>and the alleged fabrication, the cooking of the books. This

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<v Speaker 4>is a laughable lawsuit. It is so frivolous in my

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<v Speaker 4>estimation that the New York Times editorial board couldn't even

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<v Speaker 4>bring itself to robustly defended Jake Taffer on CNN, if

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<v Speaker 4>I recall, was struggling to defend it on air after

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<v Speaker 4>Alvin Bragg brought this suit. The Tiss James litigation is

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<v Speaker 4>potentially more damaging. It's even more chilling because what she

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<v Speaker 4>is basically alleging is that the Trump organization has been

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<v Speaker 4>operating as this grand sprawling fraud for years and years,

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<v Speaker 4>and her the way that she arrived at that conclusion

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<v Speaker 4>is because she argues that Trump and his business partners

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<v Speaker 4>his sons has been systematically undervaluing their properties for years,

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<v Speaker 4>including mar A Lago, as a means of securing more

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<v Speaker 4>favorable bank loans and getting better interest rates and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that. But this is all very subjective stock It's

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<v Speaker 4>not obvious how you appraise property, as anyone who owns

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<v Speaker 4>property knows, And the fact is that the bank appraisers

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<v Speaker 4>appraised the property themselves when they gave out the loans.

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<v Speaker 4>But she nonetheless is seeking upwards of three hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>seventy million dollars in damages. You have a viciously anti

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<v Speaker 4>Trump judge Justice and Goroon Arthur and Goron of the

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<v Speaker 4>state court there, who is overseeing this trial. I fear

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<v Speaker 4>not just for Trump there, Jesse, but I fear for

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<v Speaker 4>all small business owners and entrepreneurs in New York State,

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<v Speaker 4>because this SE's an incredibly chilling precedent if it goes

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<v Speaker 4>against Trump there. You do not want to be in

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<v Speaker 4>a position, if you are looking to accumulate capital and

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<v Speaker 4>start your own small business, where the power of the

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<v Speaker 4>state can be used against you to call you fraudulent

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<v Speaker 4>and shut you down simply for securing some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>loan that the prosecutor did not like. It's really dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff, Josh, I should have asked you this beforehand. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there any way you can stay on for one more segment?

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<v Speaker 1>I just have a couple other questions about other trials

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that.

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>You have time for that. If not, just tell me

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<v Speaker 2>on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine, of course, Jesse. You bet, okay? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Before I before we go to break real quick, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to ask you, though, what kind of legal

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<v Speaker 1>fees you mentioned? His legal fees are astronomical? What does

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<v Speaker 1>astronomical mean? I mean Trump is rich, but he's not

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk rich. What kind of fees are we talking about? Here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's some quick back of the envelope

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 4>mats here based on what I've seen. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about a lot of trials obviously, right, so I

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<v Speaker 4>think we're talking in the hundreds of millions dollars range potentially.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I certainly by the top of this thing

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<v Speaker 4>is all wrapped up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ah, have mercy, all right. Josh Hammer, of course

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<v Speaker 1>of the America on Trial podcast is going to come

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<v Speaker 1>back in just a minute and join us for from

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<v Speaker 1>much as I do like to complain about Fred and

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<v Speaker 1>the new dog we don't have yet, it is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on with all these trials? When where what's

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<v Speaker 1>the damage? Is Trump going to prison?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So that brings me back to this, Josh Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's New York. Let's set the New York stuff aside.

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<v Speaker 1>In Georgia, Trump's facing these ridiculous reco charges. In Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>Fanny Willis was of course heading all that up. Now

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<v Speaker 1>she's got her own problems. Is the fact that Fanny

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<v Speaker 1>Willis hopelessly corrupt is that gonna get Trump out of jail?

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<v Speaker 4>It definitely might. I mean we have upcoming in a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of weeks on February fifteenth, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>a big hearing and evidentiary hearing there in Georgia on

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 4>this motion to dismiss the entire prosecution from Fannie Willis.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what they're currently trying to do, the Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>that would be in the Georgia State Senate. I mean,

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.239
<v Speaker 4>she appears to be corrupt, you know, five ways from

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday when it comes not only to her romantic escapades

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 4>and her you know, apparently scandalous dealings with her own

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 4>chosen special prosecutor, Nathan Way. But she also seems to

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<v Speaker 4>have been in communication with the Biden White House, which

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<v Speaker 4>just weeks of the most corrupt level of coronation imagine

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 4>role there. So we're going to have this hearing coming

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<v Speaker 4>up in a couple of weeks. Now, it is a

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<v Speaker 4>caveating that they wouldn't necessarily just throw out the lawsuit. Rather,

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 4>what the judge would do in that case, if they

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<v Speaker 4>do decide that Fonnie Willis is too compromise to try it,

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<v Speaker 4>they would have it moved to a different jurisdiction, So

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<v Speaker 4>it would be moved out of Fulton County, Georgia, which

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<v Speaker 4>is where Atlanta is. That opens up a lot of

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 4>questions as well, obviously, I mean, where is it going

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<v Speaker 4>to move? What would the jury pool there look like?

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 4>Obviously Atlanta is a very unfavorable jury pool for Donald

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 4>Trump there. But you know, even as of right now,

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 4>the Georgia government in Fulton County, even based on the

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<v Speaker 4>current timeline Jesse, they're not even proposing that trial start

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<v Speaker 4>until August. Until August fifth, and that's assuming that Fannie

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<v Speaker 4>Wills stays on the case. So there's a million things

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 4>there that could happen. The timeline, honestly is such that

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<v Speaker 4>Trump may very well end up getting off scott free

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 4>when it comes to that, which would be a huge,

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 4>huge win for him. Because when these four prosecutions first

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<v Speaker 4>came out, the New York, Florida, d C, and Georgia

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 4>ones I, like many of this, Jesse was most concerned

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<v Speaker 4>about Georgia I just given the nature of the Jerry Coleness,

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 4>sprawling nature of the Rico Statute there. So he could

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 4>get off the hook here. Honestly, the timeline might just

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 4>be that much in his favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, well, fingers crossed, Okay, that is some good news,

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>which brings us to the big one, the Jack Smith stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on in DC? Look, nobody, well, nobody who's

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<v Speaker 1>been paying attention to the poor January sixth people. Nobody

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>thinks anyone can get a fair trial in DC, at

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<v Speaker 1>least not on the right. Donald Trump is still facing

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a trial in DC though, correct, he is.

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<v Speaker 4>So where that litigation currently is is you had Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's lawyers, so that'll be John Sower, who's the He's

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 4>an excellent lawyer, actually is a former Missouri slitterer General.

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<v Speaker 4>You had sour along with Will Sharp, who's a buddy

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 4>of mine. They were advancing a strong legal argument in court.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's necessarily an incorrect one, but they

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 4>were making a strong argument on presidential immunity, basically saying

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 4>that as a basic matter of constitutional law, a former

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<v Speaker 4>president cannot be prosecuted for acts that he took while

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 4>he was president of the United States. But they're actually,

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty sound legal footing for this. I thought that

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<v Speaker 4>the media jetse predictably is calling it a fringe legal theory,

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 4>a far right legal theory, all this stuff. To me,

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 4>it's actually fairly straightforward. In fact, it was actually the

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 4>Clinton's Clinton DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel in a memo

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<v Speaker 4>from October two thousand. They basically held that they basically

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<v Speaker 4>held the same thing, and that in turn was actually

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<v Speaker 4>just upholding the same conclusion that was reached by the

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 4>Nixon administration in nineteen seventy three. So, you know, going

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 4>back fifty years, it's fairly straightforward constitutional president that a

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 4>president cannot be prosecuted for acts they took in office.

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<v Speaker 4>The only twist that Jacksmith is making, obviously is that

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is not currently president, right. The million dollar question

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<v Speaker 4>is does that totally totally change things. I'm not sure

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 4>that it does. In many events, that argument that they

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<v Speaker 4>made in the federal court for the DC Circuit failed

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.439
<v Speaker 4>the judge They're rejected, So Trump appealed it. He tried

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<v Speaker 4>to go straight to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 4>I think correctly said no, let's just let the DC Circuit,

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<v Speaker 4>the intermediary court, try to sort this out first. So

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<v Speaker 4>that was the hearing that they had there a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of weeks ago, and we're waiting to hear from that

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<v Speaker 4>three judge panel in DC essentially whether that litigation goes

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<v Speaker 4>away in its entirety, because if they find that Trump

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<v Speaker 4>is fully immune, then you know, Jack Smith can appeal

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 4>that to the Supreme Court. But that's started looks pretty

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 4>unfortunately for Trump. I do not think that argument is

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<v Speaker 4>going to hold at the DC Circuit. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a serious, non frivolous legal argument, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that the DC Circuit is going to

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<v Speaker 4>rule in his favor there. So that does bring us

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 4>closer to a trial date. They're starting in d C

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<v Speaker 4>probably over the next month and a half two months

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 4>or so, so that's going to get interesting. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think Fannie Willis and Jacksmith are not going to

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<v Speaker 4>want to try those two cases at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>because a lot of the same actors are involved. They're

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<v Speaker 4>going to need people to be witnesses in both Georgia

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 4>and in d C. Then you start gaining the questions

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 4>of trying to coordinate trial schedules there. But that's where

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<v Speaker 4>the DC case stands right now. We're waiting to see

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen from that three judge panel on

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 4>this strong community argument that Trump and his lawyers have meit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay again, it's Josh Hammer America on Trial Podcast. One

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>final question. I've only got about a minute here, but

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.720
<v Speaker 1>it's the big one. Okay. You say we're probably facing

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump trial in DC over the next month or two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand the legal ramifications, but is there a

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<v Speaker 1>chance Donald Trump is running his campaign from federal prison.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a chance, but I don't think the timeline's going

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 4>to work out for the prosecutors here, Jesse. These things

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 4>take a very long time. I mean, right now we're

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 4>just dealing with free trial motions and hearings and things

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 4>like that. So none of these cases have gone to

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 4>trial yet. The Alvin Brad case actually might be the

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 4>first to actually go to trial, but you would need

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 4>a guilty verdict in order for that to happen. That's

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 4>probably not going to happen in any of these cases

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<v Speaker 4>before November. In my estimation, I think Alvin Brad would

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 4>be the only one that might actually get close to it.

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 4>And then even if you had a guilty verdict, then

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 4>Trump could just appeal it. So now he's not going

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 4>to be running this campaign literally from prison. He might

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 4>be running it from a courtroom near you though.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's something that's better than it was. Look

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 2>and we'll take that. We've had some things in our favor.

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