Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show.
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Speaker 1: Let's have some fun on a Tuesday and years what
Speaker 1: we have on Tap four a Tuesday pro lifers being arrested, convicted,
Speaker 1: thrown in prison by your government. War has been declared
Speaker 1: on American Christianity. We will talk about that. I made
Speaker 1: a prediction about Biden, Jim Clyburn, the blackfaux Democrats, their concerns.
Speaker 1: Looks like that was true family having their child taken
Speaker 1: away from them in a red state. That how Joe
Speaker 1: Biden opened the border. A little inside info on that
Speaker 1: suicide drone that killed Americans. All that, so much more
Speaker 1: coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 1: I want to begin someplace totally different, though totally different.
Speaker 1: We approached things differently on the show because I look
Speaker 1: at things differently. Ihan Omar is all over the news
Speaker 1: right now. Radical communist out of Minneapolis. Family immigrated to
Speaker 1: America when she was a child. They left the biggest
Speaker 1: dump on the planet. Now she's a member of Congress
Speaker 1: trying to destroy the country. People were even digging up
Speaker 1: older audio clips of her saying things like this.
Speaker 3: President introduced the Muslim band knowing that Mike the country
Speaker 3: I came from, owing that Mike the country I came from,
Speaker 3: owing that Mike the country I came from.
Speaker 1: We all heard what she was about to say, knowing
Speaker 1: that my country, uh, the country I came from. And
Speaker 1: today I hear Republican after Republican after Republican. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's been on every radio show and TV show saying.
Speaker 2: She needs to be expelled.
Speaker 1: Ilhan Omar needs to be expelled from Congress. I disagree.
Speaker 1: I will explain why. I'll explain why in a moment
Speaker 1: before we get to any that you should know. Josh Hammer,
Speaker 1: legal experts gonna join us about a half hour from now.
Speaker 1: I have questions about the Trump trials in New York
Speaker 1: and elsewhere, so we'll get to that. But let's get
Speaker 1: back to ilhan Omar and why I disagree with removing
Speaker 1: her from Congress. I'm gonna read a couple of emails
Speaker 1: to you. One will sound totally unrelated, one's very related.
Speaker 2: But just stay with me.
Speaker 1: I promise I'm going somewhere with this.
Speaker 2: Jesse.
Speaker 1: Businesses are leaving the United States at an alarming rate.
Speaker 1: The media refuses to report on it. Another person lost
Speaker 1: their job the company's heading for Mexico. It's not just
Speaker 1: the cheap labor, but the business killing regulations by the
Speaker 1: climate change nutters. Sounds unrelated, doesn't it. It's not just
Speaker 1: stay with me, stay with me. I have another email,
Speaker 1: This one actually is about Ilha No more greetings, balding,
Speaker 1: pink pink flower. I sadly live in our district. I'm
Speaker 1: unable to move my do the health of my ninety
Speaker 1: four year old mother. Totally get that ninety four year
Speaker 1: old mother in law. As soon as I can, I'll
Speaker 1: be getting out of dodge. And this guy goes on
Speaker 1: to explain it's a little long, but goes on to
Speaker 1: explain the constituency of ilhan Omar. Why would I disagree
Speaker 1: with removing a radical communist nut job from Congress. Sounds
Speaker 1: like something that would be right up my alley, right,
Speaker 1: probably something that's right up your alley. My goodness, punish
Speaker 1: a communists. Let's get these dirty anti American commy scum
Speaker 1: out of our office, out of office.
Speaker 2: Out of the government.
Speaker 1: But here's why I disagree. Tackling a problem at its
Speaker 1: root is really the only effective way to tackle a problem.
Speaker 1: Do you struggle with your weight a lot of people do.
Speaker 1: It's very common today. Some people are just bigger, diets
Speaker 1: worse today, we're more sedentary, more whatever. For There are
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, but a lot of people struggle
Speaker 1: with weight. Maybe you struggle with weight.
Speaker 2: Do you too fat? People get fat? Are you fat?
Speaker 1: Well? In this day and age, there are a million
Speaker 1: and one options to dump the weight and dump it quickly.
Speaker 2: Chris Michael, what's that thing? O zambeak? What is that
Speaker 2: the name of that shot?
Speaker 1: There's a shot out there that's ozambik Okay, I thought
Speaker 1: that's what it was called. There's even a shot today
Speaker 1: you can take. You go, get a needle plunged into
Speaker 1: your body and they squirt you full of stuff and
Speaker 1: the weight falls off. Now, let me ask you something.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is the most effective, long
Speaker 1: time term strategy for keeping the weight off, injecting pharmaceuticals
Speaker 1: into your body. I'm not saying don't do it. Well,
Speaker 1: you do whatever you want with your life and your body.
Speaker 1: Maybe you trust that that's fine, But I think we
Speaker 1: can all agree that's not the best long term solution.
Speaker 1: If you're a human being who struggles with weight, what
Speaker 1: you have to do is attack the root of the problem.
Speaker 1: The root of the problem is not that you're cupcaking
Speaker 1: over your genes. That's a symptom of the root of
Speaker 1: the problem. The root of the problem is you eat
Speaker 1: too much and or you don't move enough. That's the
Speaker 1: root of the problem. If you tackle the root of
Speaker 1: the problem, then the cupcaking over the gens stops. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the evil communists we have in Congress. The
Speaker 1: squad is all over the news. Now, AOC is always
Speaker 1: in the news, you know, the courtesy of the Bronx.
Speaker 1: AOC is always in the news. Ilhan Omar's in the news.
Speaker 1: Now move them, get them out of Congress. Iohan Omar
Speaker 1: is not the root of the problem. She's the cupcake
Speaker 1: and fat over the jeans. We must attack the root
Speaker 1: of the problem. That email about the businesses that are leaving,
Speaker 1: it's a great email. Why it attacks the root of
Speaker 1: the problem. Nobody wants to address the root of the problem.
Speaker 1: The root of the problem is we have for decades
Speaker 1: filled up this country with people who hate it at worst,
Speaker 1: at best, don't really feel any affinity for it. And
Speaker 1: we've educated not only them, but American citizens for decades,
Speaker 1: not just in school. Our media does it, our education
Speaker 1: system does it. We've educated people for decades that this
Speaker 1: country sucks. This is a horrible place.
Speaker 2: Burn it, loot it.
Speaker 1: America's the worst. America is the height of all evil.
Speaker 1: Why would I want ilhan Omar expelled from Congress? I
Speaker 1: believe in a representative republic. Don't you?
Speaker 2: You do, don't you?
Speaker 1: That's what America is, a representative republic. Well, here's a
Speaker 1: tough pill to swallow. Ilhan Omar, AOC. They are perfectly
Speaker 1: representative of their constituents. Ilhan Omar represents the people of
Speaker 1: her Minneapolis district, the white guilt liberals, the endless amounts
Speaker 1: of Somali immigration they've allowed to completely change Minneapolis. Ilhan Omar,
Speaker 1: you can expel her today, remove her tomorrow for all
Speaker 1: I care. I don't care about that Kami witch. But
Speaker 1: you should understand if you remove ihan Omar tomorrow, you
Speaker 1: haven't accomplished a thing. When it comes to the root
Speaker 1: of the problem. The root of the problem is the people.
Speaker 1: The root of the problem with AOC is not all
Speaker 1: the stupid things she says or the kami things she pushes.
Speaker 1: The root of the problem.
Speaker 2: Is the people.
Speaker 1: In the Bronx who want a filthy communist to burn
Speaker 1: the country down. That's the root of the problem, and
Speaker 1: that's what we don't want to talk about. And we
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it for the same reason
Speaker 1: the big fat person doesn't want to diet, doesn't want
Speaker 1: to exercise. That's hard, that's difficult. That involves real changes
Speaker 1: and lifestyle changes, and they that's hard.
Speaker 2: Why can't I just go get a shot and drop
Speaker 2: the weight off.
Speaker 1: We don't want to tackle the root of the problem
Speaker 1: because tackling the root of the problem will take more
Speaker 1: time and it will take more effort on all of
Speaker 1: our behalf. We just want someone to go fix it. Congress,
Speaker 1: the GOP has the House, just vote and.
Speaker 2: Get rid of Omar. That'll take care of it, right, guys.
Speaker 1: As if George Washington's gonna turn around and get elected
Speaker 1: in her district, just.
Speaker 2: Get rid of Omar.
Speaker 1: Why if you're not going to change the people, if
Speaker 1: you're not going to change the culture that props up
Speaker 1: anti American hags like Ilhan Omar, then you're just gonna
Speaker 1: get the next version of her, and then the next
Speaker 1: version of her, and then the next version of her
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 2: Without end.
Speaker 1: Unless you're going to go for a walk and skip
Speaker 1: the cupcakes once, the weight will always, always, always, always
Speaker 1: come back because you never attacked the root of the problem.
Speaker 1: The root of the problem is so much deeper than
Speaker 1: we act like it is. It's why I rant all
Speaker 1: the time about the savior complex of the right. Now
Speaker 1: we'll just select Trump to fix it. I talk to
Speaker 1: my Norman neighbors all the time. They hate Biden, they
Speaker 1: hate all this stuff. And now you know what they
Speaker 1: tell me. Don't worry, Jesse. We're gonna get Trump in
Speaker 1: there and he'll fix it all. I just put my
Speaker 1: head in my hands. Trump's gonna fix it all. No
Speaker 1: man can fix it all. It's crazy, and more importantly,
Speaker 1: it's lazy. We want a magic pill, a magic man
Speaker 1: step in fix everything. But the problem is deeper. The
Speaker 1: roots are deeper, and it will take all of our
Speaker 1: efforts for decades to fix it. That's the truth. A
Speaker 1: little bit more on this in a moment. I should
Speaker 1: announce this now. Pro life demonstrators were just convicted by
Speaker 1: Biden's the OJ and they're facing eleven years in federal prison.
Speaker 1: They need your prayers, and this is a reminder and
Speaker 1: We'll get into this a little bit more lately or later,
Speaker 1: but this is a reminder that the work of being
Speaker 1: pro life doesn't stop just because rovers's way got overturned.
Speaker 1: We still have so much more to do culturally and
Speaker 1: within the government. Let's use preborn and fight back. The
Speaker 1: gift of even one life makes all of it worth it.
Speaker 1: You buy a woman a free ultrasound, a woman who's
Speaker 1: about to have an abortion, You're gonna get her to
Speaker 1: choose life. That's one of the best ways we can
Speaker 1: fight back on behalf of the babies. Buck spies that ultrasound.
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Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly Show
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, and I've decided something. You know, that
Speaker 1: was a lot of talk about about our government and
Speaker 1: why we have these people in our government, and I
Speaker 1: was doing an analogy for weight loss and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I've decided something. I'm going to attack the root of
Speaker 1: my own problem fashion. You understand you're a Jesse Kelly
Speaker 1: Show listener. You understand that I struggle with dressing myself.
Speaker 1: I don't know what looks good, what doesn't look good,
Speaker 1: what color combos are supposed to be here. For some reason,
Speaker 1: people yell at me all the time for wearing white
Speaker 1: tube socks. All wear boots and I'll have white tube
Speaker 1: socks with them, or I'll just wear your hiking boots
Speaker 1: or something and white tube.
Speaker 2: So I said, ah, that looks so stupid.
Speaker 1: So you know what, I've decided, I'm going to attack
Speaker 1: the root of the problem. I'm not gonna hire somebody
Speaker 1: to come pick out clothes for me or something like that.
Speaker 1: I you ready for this. I'm gonna become a fashion
Speaker 1: icon what Chris I am. I'm gonna look really fashionable
Speaker 1: on the show a lot and wear fashion stuff, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn how to do fashion stuff. There'll probably
Speaker 1: be a lot of a lot of leather and whatever.
Speaker 1: If what Chris leathers is not what do people know?
Speaker 1: It does not Chris? It does me not that kind
Speaker 1: of le Stop. Why don't you grow up? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: become a fashion icon. I just wanted everyone to know.
Speaker 1: Now let's get to something here. Oh and I need
Speaker 1: to give everyone else that heads up. I probably should
Speaker 1: have led with this more emphatically, Josh Hammer, he's my friend.
Speaker 1: He's gonna join us about ten minutes from now. There
Speaker 1: are all these trials right now for Trump, the Egene
Speaker 1: Carol trial. You know, she just got her verdicts where
Speaker 1: she's awarded supposedly all this money from Trump. And this
Speaker 1: was her response on Rachel Maddow's show. She definitely sounds
Speaker 1: like a pretty traumatized survivor. You've talked about using some
Speaker 1: of Trump's money that you're about to get to help
Speaker 1: shore up women's rights. Do you know what that might be,
Speaker 1: what that might look like?
Speaker 4: Rachel?
Speaker 1: Yes, tell me first, sing, Rachel, you and I aren
Speaker 1: go shopping to get completely new wardrobes, new shoes, motorcycle
Speaker 1: for crawling, new fishing rod for Robbie. Rachel, what do
Speaker 1: you want?
Speaker 2: Penhouse?
Speaker 1: It's Rachel Penhouse and France? You want France? You want
Speaker 1: to go fishing in France?
Speaker 2: No, all right, just.
Speaker 1: A heads up, just a quick side note, heads up
Speaker 1: to anybody who maybe gets a judgment awarded in their
Speaker 1: favor and the judgment is kind of how traumatized you were.
Speaker 2: You don't you don't want to.
Speaker 1: Go on television bragging about the purses and motorcycles you're
Speaker 1: gonna buy with the money just to heads up makes
Speaker 1: it look like you're not real anyway. Anyway, Josh Hammer's
Speaker 1: gonna join us next to lay out everything. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: three different things happening in New York. Did this funny
Speaker 1: Willis thing? In Atlanta? This scandal where it turns out
Speaker 1: she was having a relationship with one of her underlings?
Speaker 2: Did this help Trump?
Speaker 1: In Georgia?
Speaker 2: We needed that.
Speaker 1: Did Georgia was really the one that was going to
Speaker 1: be really, really bad?
Speaker 4: Did it?
Speaker 1: Did it help? We'll find out the DC thing. What's
Speaker 1: going on in DC? They want they want to have
Speaker 1: the trial. The Supreme Court stepped in. Let's find out
Speaker 1: the who's who and what's what. It may take me
Speaker 1: a little bit. We'll get through all that with Josh.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to do this first, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to get to a lot of these tonight before
Speaker 1: I get to Hammer. And remember, about a half hour
Speaker 1: from now, I'm gonna reveal some information about that drone
Speaker 1: strike you probably haven't heard, and man, it's it's a
Speaker 1: job dropper.
Speaker 2: I want to get to some.
Speaker 1: Hate mail though. Remember you can even oh hate mail
Speaker 1: two Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. I doubt anyone
Speaker 1: will read or especially respond. This is from some commy
Speaker 1: I tune at the in at the end of a
Speaker 1: segment where Jesse Kelly was calling January sixth an inside job?
Speaker 1: Is this sarcasm being obtuse? I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: misinformation and lies, but this one is worthy of criminal charges.
Speaker 1: I Jesse's theory about January sixth was an inside job. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's let me explain something. You're a communist. You live
Speaker 1: in a world that is not real because you watch
Speaker 1: the news, you read the newspaper. You only read and
Speaker 1: watch people who lie to you at all times. So
Speaker 1: when you hear information that is true and is real,
Speaker 1: it can sound shocking to you. But more to the point,
Speaker 1: let's just be honest. This one's worthy of criminal charges.
Speaker 2: You want me thrown.
Speaker 1: In prison for saying things you don't like? You know
Speaker 1: what that makes you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know, communists, You know that you're the bad guy,
Speaker 1: And I know I know you're so mentally and spiritually
Speaker 1: shattered by your sick, demonic religion that it's really really
Speaker 1: hard to see this. I know that, but I want
Speaker 1: you to go look in the mirror, and I want
Speaker 1: you to look in that mirror, and I want you
Speaker 1: to look at yourself, and I want you to say,
Speaker 1: I want someone thrown in prison because he says things
Speaker 1: I disagree with. I want you to just say that
Speaker 1: to yourself ten times. As you look in the mirror.
Speaker 1: You know that you're the bad guy in this story.
Speaker 1: I'm the good guy. If there are ever any honest
Speaker 1: history books written fifty years from now, one hundred years
Speaker 1: from now, they talk about, you know, anti communists who
Speaker 1: were trying to fight as hard as they could against
Speaker 1: demons like you. You might even end up actually being named
Speaker 1: in history books as one of the monsters. You probably
Speaker 1: know all there is about Nazis. You probably don't know
Speaker 1: anything about Stalin or Mao for whatever reason, but you
Speaker 1: probably know everything about Nazis. How beut you've even criticized
Speaker 1: the campguards. That'd be you one day. You know that, right,
Speaker 1: that's you. You're the bad guy. And let me be
Speaker 1: clear about something. I am your enemy. I just want
Speaker 1: you to know we are enemies. Until you stop being
Speaker 1: the bad guy. We're enemies, all right, All right? Now,
Speaker 1: le's talk about something wonderful. Let's talk about finding a
Speaker 1: way to retire one day. I see these stats about
Speaker 1: people savings are being drained credit cards through the roof.
Speaker 1: How are normal people ever supposed to cobble together enough
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Speaker 1: you know they they're the ones who are gonna teach you,
Speaker 1: walk you through every part of the process. I'm beginning
Speaker 1: to acquire real estate so you can rent it out
Speaker 1: and begin to acquire wealth. No, you're not made of money.
Speaker 1: You'll start out with a house, It'll turn into two five.
Speaker 1: Soon you're retiring with ten rental homes and passing them
Speaker 1: down to your kids.
Speaker 2: Jesse, I'm not a millionaire.
Speaker 1: This is for teachers, construction workers, normal people. They will
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Speaker 2: It is The.
Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show and I am ashamed at how long
Speaker 1: it took me just now to make the connection between
Speaker 1: having on Josh Hammer and the song being by mc hammer,
Speaker 1: and it's I'm just I'm ashamed with myself. Anyway, My
Speaker 1: boy Josh Hammer, he's got a show out, he's got
Speaker 1: a podcast out right now. You really need to I
Speaker 1: need it. America on Trial because we have all these trials,
Speaker 1: all these Trump trials going on in the country, and
Speaker 1: it's impossible to keep track of all of them. He's
Speaker 1: facing like nine thousand years in prison, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on and.
Speaker 2: When it's happening.
Speaker 1: So Josh is joining us now to talk about some things. Okay, Josh,
Speaker 1: e Jeene Carroll just want a big bunch of money
Speaker 1: from Trump in New York City? Why, bro Jesse.
Speaker 4: Always a pleasure to join you, even with your delayed
Speaker 4: recognition of my anthem man my anthem her Hammer time.
Speaker 4: But all good. So you had this absurd and truly
Speaker 4: absurd verdict last Friday, So what happens? Do you want
Speaker 4: to backtrack a little bit? In twenty nineteen, Ejing Carroll
Speaker 4: comes out to The New Yorker, a reliably liberal publication,
Speaker 4: of course, and she says, oh, Donald Trump groped me,
Speaker 4: he sexually assaulted me. He did this, he did that
Speaker 4: back in the directing room of a Bergdorf Goodman off
Speaker 4: Fifth Avenue in New York City, like twenty five thirty
Speaker 4: years ago. And Trump's response, as would be the response
Speaker 4: of any reasonable man who has been accused of doing
Speaker 4: bad things to women that he did not do, was
Speaker 4: to call her a liar. And she said this, and
Speaker 4: she's that. And in response, then Ejing Carol files these
Speaker 4: two defamation lawsuits. A little confusing as to others too,
Speaker 4: but in any event, earlier last year, the verdict came
Speaker 4: in for the first with five million dollars in damages
Speaker 4: for the civil allegation of sexual assault and then also defamation.
Speaker 4: And then last Friday, the second lawsuit drops three point
Speaker 4: three million dollars combined in compensatory and penitive damages. To
Speaker 4: break down the legalese there, the compensatory damage is what
Speaker 4: the jury basically assesses is what the restitution is. In
Speaker 4: other words, to make Egene Tarrell hole again. Apparently Jesse
Speaker 4: her ego is so fragile that she needs eighteen point
Speaker 4: three million dollars to restore her sense of ego, and
Speaker 4: then if that wasn't enough, they flasp another sixty five
Speaker 4: million impunitive damages, which is exactly what it sounds like.
Speaker 4: This is a rarer form of damages handed down by
Speaker 4: courts that exists for the sole purpose of just trying
Speaker 4: to make an example out of the litigains. Now, what
Speaker 4: I argued on the show in our pilot episode Yesterday
Speaker 4: Morning America on Trial, what I argued is that that
Speaker 4: fifty five million dollar inpuniti of damages number, it is
Speaker 4: actually probably unconstitutional. The Supreme Court does not view excessive
Speaker 4: punitive damages very favorably, and that ratio of punitive to
Speaker 4: compensatory damages of an over three to one ratio, I
Speaker 4: think it's probably going to be struck down on appeal.
Speaker 4: So I like Trump's legal odds there if a federal court,
Speaker 4: it's outside of the nonsensical state courts there in New York.
Speaker 4: But for now, just an utterly absurd ruling less Friday
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, Josh, you've mentioned to me before that Trump's going
Speaker 1: to appeal this. Forgive me, most of us are not lawyers.
Speaker 1: Does that mean he doesn't have to stroke her a check?
Speaker 1: He does, and then she has to give it back.
Speaker 1: Does it mean he has to appeal this and he's
Speaker 1: gonna get the same crappy judge, same location that he
Speaker 1: was last time. Is he's staying in New York City?
Speaker 1: How does this work? From here?
Speaker 4: Every judgment is different, But the usual way this works
Speaker 4: is that he's not gonna have to cost anything up
Speaker 4: until the appeal process has been rendered, and then and
Speaker 4: then after that. So you know, for example, let's say
Speaker 4: that Trump does prevail on appeal, and the appellate court
Speaker 4: there in New York, say would be the US Court
Speaker 4: Appeals for the Second Circuit. So if he does prevail there,
Speaker 4: then he probably can then also try to get each
Speaker 4: cal to cover his attorney fees as well. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's actually part of the problem politically, Jesse for Trump,
Speaker 4: is that his legal bills, his attorney fees are just
Speaker 4: astronomical at this point, just totally totally through the roof.
Speaker 4: But he's going to get his shot on appeal. Like
Speaker 4: I said, it'll be before the Second Circuit, which is
Speaker 4: the court above what he just held this hearing in.
Speaker 4: So it's a different court. It is not one of
Speaker 4: the more conservative appeals court. So for example, they're in Texas,
Speaker 4: where you live and where I clerked on the Fifth Circuit.
Speaker 4: The Fifth Circuit is a conservative court, one of the
Speaker 4: two most conservative appellate courts in the country, along with
Speaker 4: the Eighth. The second Circuit there in New York State
Speaker 4: is definitely not as conservative as a fifth But there
Speaker 4: are a number of fair judges. There are a number
Speaker 4: of Trump phenomenees there, so we'll have to see which
Speaker 4: three judge panel he gets. I think the law is
Speaker 4: fairly straightforward here, so I like his odes, but you know,
Speaker 4: it definitely depends on the panel that he draws.
Speaker 1: Speak of with Josh Hammer, he has a brand new
Speaker 1: podcast now, very very short, easily digestic, breaking down all
Speaker 1: the legal crap going on this year.
Speaker 2: For lack of a better way to put it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Josh, we're going to stay right in New York
Speaker 1: City because that's one of about eighty trials he has
Speaker 1: going on in New York City. There's still Latitia James,
Speaker 1: there's still Alvin Bragg. Can you separate those for me?
Speaker 2: The wins? The what's is he going to prison? In
Speaker 2: New York State?
Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of funny, right, It's darkly funny. I
Speaker 4: should say, because both Alvin Bragg and Tiss James, Alvin
Speaker 4: Bragg would be the district attorney, the prosecutor in Manhattan
Speaker 4: in New York County, and then Letitia James or Tiss
Speaker 4: James that she is usually known, she's the attorney general.
Speaker 4: They both ran Jesse for their respective offices on an
Speaker 4: explicit get Trump platform, which is really icky and grossly immoral.
Speaker 4: I would say, to the extent it's not illegal to
Speaker 4: run for a state prosecutorial office and during the course
Speaker 4: of that campaign valing that you're going to use the
Speaker 4: power of the state to get your political foes. It's
Speaker 4: just gross. It's gross, and it is patently on American.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, they both did run on those platforms, and
Speaker 4: the people of New York apparently said, Okay, we'll take
Speaker 4: that because they're both in office. So Alvin Bragg's prosecution
Speaker 4: that would the first one to drop last spring. It's
Speaker 4: thirty four counts. This involved Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels
Speaker 4: and the alleged fabrication, the cooking of the books. This
Speaker 4: is a laughable lawsuit. It is so frivolous in my
Speaker 4: estimation that the New York Times editorial board couldn't even
Speaker 4: bring itself to robustly defended Jake Taffer on CNN, if
Speaker 4: I recall, was struggling to defend it on air after
Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg brought this suit. The Tiss James litigation is
Speaker 4: potentially more damaging. It's even more chilling because what she
Speaker 4: is basically alleging is that the Trump organization has been
Speaker 4: operating as this grand sprawling fraud for years and years,
Speaker 4: and her the way that she arrived at that conclusion
Speaker 4: is because she argues that Trump and his business partners
Speaker 4: his sons has been systematically undervaluing their properties for years,
Speaker 4: including mar A Lago, as a means of securing more
Speaker 4: favorable bank loans and getting better interest rates and things
Speaker 4: like that. But this is all very subjective stock It's
Speaker 4: not obvious how you appraise property, as anyone who owns
Speaker 4: property knows, And the fact is that the bank appraisers
Speaker 4: appraised the property themselves when they gave out the loans.
Speaker 4: But she nonetheless is seeking upwards of three hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy million dollars in damages. You have a viciously anti
Speaker 4: Trump judge Justice and Goroon Arthur and Goron of the
Speaker 4: state court there, who is overseeing this trial. I fear
Speaker 4: not just for Trump there, Jesse, but I fear for
Speaker 4: all small business owners and entrepreneurs in New York State,
Speaker 4: because this SE's an incredibly chilling precedent if it goes
Speaker 4: against Trump there. You do not want to be in
Speaker 4: a position, if you are looking to accumulate capital and
Speaker 4: start your own small business, where the power of the
Speaker 4: state can be used against you to call you fraudulent
Speaker 4: and shut you down simply for securing some sort of
Speaker 4: loan that the prosecutor did not like. It's really dangerous.
Speaker 1: Stuff, Josh, I should have asked you this beforehand. Is
Speaker 1: there any way you can stay on for one more segment?
Speaker 1: I just have a couple other questions about other trials
Speaker 1: and things like that.
Speaker 2: You have time for that. If not, just tell me
Speaker 2: on the air.
Speaker 1: It's fine, of course, Jesse. You bet, okay? All right?
Speaker 1: Before I before we go to break real quick, I
Speaker 1: do want to ask you, though, what kind of legal
Speaker 1: fees you mentioned? His legal fees are astronomical? What does
Speaker 1: astronomical mean? I mean Trump is rich, but he's not
Speaker 1: Elon Musk rich. What kind of fees are we talking about? Here.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's some quick back of the envelope
Speaker 4: mats here based on what I've seen. I mean, we're
Speaker 4: talking about a lot of trials obviously, right, so I
Speaker 4: think we're talking in the hundreds of millions dollars range potentially.
Speaker 4: I mean, I certainly by the top of this thing
Speaker 4: is all wrapped up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ah, have mercy, all right. Josh Hammer, of course
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Speaker 1: What's going on with all these trials? When where what's
Speaker 1: the damage? Is Trump going to prison?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So that brings me back to this, Josh Okay. So
Speaker 1: that's New York. Let's set the New York stuff aside.
Speaker 1: In Georgia, Trump's facing these ridiculous reco charges. In Georgia,
Speaker 1: Fanny Willis was of course heading all that up. Now
Speaker 1: she's got her own problems. Is the fact that Fanny
Speaker 1: Willis hopelessly corrupt is that gonna get Trump out of jail?
Speaker 4: It definitely might. I mean we have upcoming in a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks on February fifteenth, there's going to be
Speaker 4: a big hearing and evidentiary hearing there in Georgia on
Speaker 4: this motion to dismiss the entire prosecution from Fannie Willis.
Speaker 4: So that's what they're currently trying to do, the Republicans
Speaker 4: that would be in the Georgia State Senate. I mean,
Speaker 4: she appears to be corrupt, you know, five ways from
Speaker 4: Sunday when it comes not only to her romantic escapades
Speaker 4: and her you know, apparently scandalous dealings with her own
Speaker 4: chosen special prosecutor, Nathan Way. But she also seems to
Speaker 4: have been in communication with the Biden White House, which
Speaker 4: just weeks of the most corrupt level of coronation imagine
Speaker 4: role there. So we're going to have this hearing coming
Speaker 4: up in a couple of weeks. Now, it is a
Speaker 4: caveating that they wouldn't necessarily just throw out the lawsuit. Rather,
Speaker 4: what the judge would do in that case, if they
Speaker 4: do decide that Fonnie Willis is too compromise to try it,
Speaker 4: they would have it moved to a different jurisdiction, So
Speaker 4: it would be moved out of Fulton County, Georgia, which
Speaker 4: is where Atlanta is. That opens up a lot of
Speaker 4: questions as well, obviously, I mean, where is it going
Speaker 4: to move? What would the jury pool there look like?
Speaker 4: Obviously Atlanta is a very unfavorable jury pool for Donald
Speaker 4: Trump there. But you know, even as of right now,
Speaker 4: the Georgia government in Fulton County, even based on the
Speaker 4: current timeline Jesse, they're not even proposing that trial start
Speaker 4: until August. Until August fifth, and that's assuming that Fannie
Speaker 4: Wills stays on the case. So there's a million things
Speaker 4: there that could happen. The timeline, honestly is such that
Speaker 4: Trump may very well end up getting off scott free
Speaker 4: when it comes to that, which would be a huge,
Speaker 4: huge win for him. Because when these four prosecutions first
Speaker 4: came out, the New York, Florida, d C, and Georgia
Speaker 4: ones I, like many of this, Jesse was most concerned
Speaker 4: about Georgia I just given the nature of the Jerry Coleness,
Speaker 4: sprawling nature of the Rico Statute there. So he could
Speaker 4: get off the hook here. Honestly, the timeline might just
Speaker 4: be that much in his favor.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, fingers crossed, Okay, that is some good news,
Speaker 1: which brings us to the big one, the Jack Smith stuff.
Speaker 1: What's going on in DC? Look, nobody, well, nobody who's
Speaker 1: been paying attention to the poor January sixth people. Nobody
Speaker 1: thinks anyone can get a fair trial in DC, at
Speaker 1: least not on the right. Donald Trump is still facing
Speaker 1: a trial in DC though, correct, he is.
Speaker 4: So where that litigation currently is is you had Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's lawyers, so that'll be John Sower, who's the He's
Speaker 4: an excellent lawyer, actually is a former Missouri slitterer General.
Speaker 4: You had sour along with Will Sharp, who's a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine. They were advancing a strong legal argument in court.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessarily an incorrect one, but they
Speaker 4: were making a strong argument on presidential immunity, basically saying
Speaker 4: that as a basic matter of constitutional law, a former
Speaker 4: president cannot be prosecuted for acts that he took while
Speaker 4: he was president of the United States. But they're actually,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sound legal footing for this. I thought that
Speaker 4: the media jetse predictably is calling it a fringe legal theory,
Speaker 4: a far right legal theory, all this stuff. To me,
Speaker 4: it's actually fairly straightforward. In fact, it was actually the
Speaker 4: Clinton's Clinton DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel in a memo
Speaker 4: from October two thousand. They basically held that they basically
Speaker 4: held the same thing, and that in turn was actually
Speaker 4: just upholding the same conclusion that was reached by the
Speaker 4: Nixon administration in nineteen seventy three. So, you know, going
Speaker 4: back fifty years, it's fairly straightforward constitutional president that a
Speaker 4: president cannot be prosecuted for acts they took in office.
Speaker 4: The only twist that Jacksmith is making, obviously is that
Speaker 4: Trump is not currently president, right. The million dollar question
Speaker 4: is does that totally totally change things. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: that it does. In many events, that argument that they
Speaker 4: made in the federal court for the DC Circuit failed
Speaker 4: the judge They're rejected, So Trump appealed it. He tried
Speaker 4: to go straight to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: I think correctly said no, let's just let the DC Circuit,
Speaker 4: the intermediary court, try to sort this out first. So
Speaker 4: that was the hearing that they had there a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks ago, and we're waiting to hear from that
Speaker 4: three judge panel in DC essentially whether that litigation goes
Speaker 4: away in its entirety, because if they find that Trump
Speaker 4: is fully immune, then you know, Jack Smith can appeal
Speaker 4: that to the Supreme Court. But that's started looks pretty
Speaker 4: unfortunately for Trump. I do not think that argument is
Speaker 4: going to hold at the DC Circuit. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I think it's a serious, non frivolous legal argument, but
Speaker 4: I don't think that the DC Circuit is going to
Speaker 4: rule in his favor there. So that does bring us
Speaker 4: closer to a trial date. They're starting in d C
Speaker 4: probably over the next month and a half two months
Speaker 4: or so, so that's going to get interesting. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think Fannie Willis and Jacksmith are not going to
Speaker 4: want to try those two cases at the same time
Speaker 4: because a lot of the same actors are involved. They're
Speaker 4: going to need people to be witnesses in both Georgia
Speaker 4: and in d C. Then you start gaining the questions
Speaker 4: of trying to coordinate trial schedules there. But that's where
Speaker 4: the DC case stands right now. We're waiting to see
Speaker 4: what's going to happen from that three judge panel on
Speaker 4: this strong community argument that Trump and his lawyers have meit.
Speaker 1: Okay again, it's Josh Hammer America on Trial Podcast. One
Speaker 1: final question. I've only got about a minute here, but
Speaker 1: it's the big one. Okay. You say we're probably facing
Speaker 1: a Trump trial in DC over the next month or two.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the legal ramifications, but is there a
Speaker 1: chance Donald Trump is running his campaign from federal prison.
Speaker 4: There's a chance, but I don't think the timeline's going
Speaker 4: to work out for the prosecutors here, Jesse. These things
Speaker 4: take a very long time. I mean, right now we're
Speaker 4: just dealing with free trial motions and hearings and things
Speaker 4: like that. So none of these cases have gone to
Speaker 4: trial yet. The Alvin Brad case actually might be the
Speaker 4: first to actually go to trial, but you would need
Speaker 4: a guilty verdict in order for that to happen. That's
Speaker 4: probably not going to happen in any of these cases
Speaker 4: before November. In my estimation, I think Alvin Brad would
Speaker 4: be the only one that might actually get close to it.
Speaker 4: And then even if you had a guilty verdict, then
Speaker 4: Trump could just appeal it. So now he's not going
Speaker 4: to be running this campaign literally from prison. He might
Speaker 4: be running it from a courtroom near you though.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's something that's better than it was. Look
Speaker 2: and we'll take that. We've had some things in our favor.
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