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Speaker 2: Is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: Let's have some fun on a Tuesday and years what

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Speaker 1: we have on Tap four a Tuesday pro lifers being arrested, convicted,

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Speaker 1: thrown in prison by your government. War has been declared

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Speaker 1: on American Christianity. We will talk about that. I made

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Speaker 1: a prediction about Biden, Jim Clyburn, the blackfaux Democrats, their concerns.

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Speaker 1: Looks like that was true family having their child taken

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Speaker 1: suicide drone that killed Americans. All that, so much more

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Speaker 1: coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: I want to begin someplace totally different, though totally different.

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Speaker 1: We approached things differently on the show because I look

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Speaker 1: at things differently. Ihan Omar is all over the news

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Speaker 1: right now. Radical communist out of Minneapolis. Family immigrated to

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Speaker 1: America when she was a child. They left the biggest

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Speaker 1: dump on the planet. Now she's a member of Congress

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Speaker 1: trying to destroy the country. People were even digging up

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Speaker 1: older audio clips of her saying things like this.

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Speaker 3: President introduced the Muslim band knowing that Mike the country

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Speaker 3: I came from, owing that Mike the country I came from,

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Speaker 3: owing that Mike the country I came from.

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Speaker 1: We all heard what she was about to say, knowing

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Speaker 1: that my country, uh, the country I came from. And

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Speaker 1: today I hear Republican after Republican after Republican. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's been on every radio show and TV show saying.

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Speaker 2: She needs to be expelled.

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Speaker 1: Ilhan Omar needs to be expelled from Congress. I disagree.

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Speaker 1: I will explain why. I'll explain why in a moment

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Speaker 1: before we get to any that you should know. Josh Hammer,

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Speaker 1: legal experts gonna join us about a half hour from now.

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Speaker 1: I have questions about the Trump trials in New York

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Speaker 1: and elsewhere, so we'll get to that. But let's get

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Speaker 1: back to ilhan Omar and why I disagree with removing

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Speaker 1: her from Congress. I'm gonna read a couple of emails

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Speaker 1: to you. One will sound totally unrelated, one's very related.

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Speaker 2: But just stay with me.

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Speaker 1: I promise I'm going somewhere with this.

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Speaker 2: Jesse.

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Speaker 1: Businesses are leaving the United States at an alarming rate.

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Speaker 1: The media refuses to report on it. Another person lost

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Speaker 1: their job the company's heading for Mexico. It's not just

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Speaker 1: the cheap labor, but the business killing regulations by the

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Speaker 1: climate change nutters. Sounds unrelated, doesn't it. It's not just

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Speaker 1: stay with me, stay with me. I have another email,

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Speaker 1: This one actually is about Ilha No more greetings, balding,

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Speaker 1: pink pink flower. I sadly live in our district. I'm

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Speaker 1: unable to move my do the health of my ninety

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Speaker 1: four year old mother. Totally get that ninety four year

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Speaker 1: old mother in law. As soon as I can, I'll

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Speaker 1: be getting out of dodge. And this guy goes on

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Speaker 1: to explain it's a little long, but goes on to

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Speaker 1: explain the constituency of ilhan Omar. Why would I disagree

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Speaker 1: with removing a radical communist nut job from Congress. Sounds

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Speaker 1: like something that would be right up my alley, right,

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Speaker 1: probably something that's right up your alley. My goodness, punish

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Speaker 1: a communists. Let's get these dirty anti American commy scum

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Speaker 2: Out of the government.

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Speaker 1: But here's why I disagree. Tackling a problem at its

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Speaker 1: root is really the only effective way to tackle a problem.

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Speaker 1: Do you struggle with your weight a lot of people do.

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Speaker 1: It's very common today. Some people are just bigger, diets

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Speaker 1: worse today, we're more sedentary, more whatever. For There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, but a lot of people struggle

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Speaker 1: with weight. Maybe you struggle with weight.

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Speaker 2: Do you too fat? People get fat? Are you fat?

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Speaker 1: Well? In this day and age, there are a million

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Speaker 1: and one options to dump the weight and dump it quickly.

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Speaker 2: Chris Michael, what's that thing? O zambeak? What is that

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Speaker 2: the name of that shot?

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Speaker 1: There's a shot out there that's ozambik Okay, I thought

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Speaker 1: that's what it was called. There's even a shot today

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Speaker 1: you can take. You go, get a needle plunged into

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Speaker 1: your body and they squirt you full of stuff and

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Speaker 1: the weight falls off. Now, let me ask you something.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that is the most effective, long

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Speaker 1: Maybe you trust that that's fine, But I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree that's not the best long term solution.

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Speaker 1: If you're a human being who struggles with weight, what

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Speaker 1: you have to do is attack the root of the problem.

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Speaker 1: The root of the problem is not that you're cupcaking

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Speaker 1: over your genes. That's a symptom of the root of

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Speaker 1: root of the problem. If you tackle the root of

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Speaker 1: the problem, then the cupcaking over the gens stops. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the evil communists we have in Congress. The

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Speaker 1: squad is all over the news. Now, AOC is always

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Speaker 1: AOC is always in the news. Ilhan Omar's in the news.

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Speaker 1: Now move them, get them out of Congress. Iohan Omar

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Speaker 1: is not the root of the problem. She's the cupcake

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Speaker 1: and fat over the jeans. We must attack the root

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Speaker 1: of the problem. That email about the businesses that are leaving,

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Speaker 1: it's a great email. Why it attacks the root of

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Speaker 1: the problem. Nobody wants to address the root of the problem.

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Speaker 1: The root of the problem is we have for decades

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Speaker 1: filled up this country with people who hate it at worst,

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Speaker 1: we've educated not only them, but American citizens for decades,

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Speaker 1: not just in school. Our media does it, our education

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Speaker 1: system does it. We've educated people for decades that this

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Speaker 2: Burn it, loot it.

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Speaker 1: America's the worst. America is the height of all evil.

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Speaker 1: Why would I want ilhan Omar expelled from Congress? I

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Speaker 1: believe in a representative republic. Don't you?

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Speaker 2: You do, don't you?

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Speaker 1: That's what America is, a representative republic. Well, here's a

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Speaker 1: tough pill to swallow. Ilhan Omar, AOC. They are perfectly

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Speaker 1: representative of their constituents. Ilhan Omar represents the people of

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Speaker 1: you can expel her today, remove her tomorrow for all

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Speaker 1: I care. I don't care about that Kami witch. But

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Speaker 1: The root of the problem with AOC is not all

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Speaker 1: The root of the problem.

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Speaker 1: that's what we don't want to talk about. And we

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Speaker 1: to exercise. That's hard, that's difficult. That involves real changes

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Speaker 2: Why can't I just go get a shot and drop

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Speaker 1: We don't want to tackle the root of the problem

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Speaker 1: because tackling the root of the problem will take more

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Speaker 2: Get rid of Omar. That'll take care of it, right, guys.

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Speaker 1: As if George Washington's gonna turn around and get elected

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Speaker 2: Get rid of Omar.

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Speaker 1: Why if you're not going to change the people, if

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Speaker 2: Without end.

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Speaker 1: Unless you're going to go for a walk and skip

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Speaker 1: the cupcakes once, the weight will always, always, always, always

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Speaker 1: come back because you never attacked the root of the problem.

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Speaker 1: The root of the problem is so much deeper than

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Speaker 1: we act like it is. It's why I rant all

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Speaker 1: we'll just select Trump to fix it. I talk to

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Speaker 1: my Norman neighbors all the time. They hate Biden, they

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Speaker 1: hate all this stuff. And now you know what they

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Speaker 1: there and he'll fix it all. I just put my

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Speaker 1: it's lazy. We want a magic pill, a magic man

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Speaker 1: step in fix everything. But the problem is deeper. The

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Speaker 1: roots are deeper, and it will take all of our

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Speaker 1: efforts for decades to fix it. That's the truth. A

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Speaker 1: announce this now. Pro life demonstrators were just convicted by

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Speaker 1: Biden's the OJ and they're facing eleven years in federal prison.

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Speaker 1: slash Jesse get the Cure for Rhinos. Eight days with

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, and I've decided something. You know, that

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Speaker 1: I've decided something. I'm going to attack the root of

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Speaker 1: my own problem fashion. You understand you're a Jesse Kelly

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Speaker 1: Show listener. You understand that I struggle with dressing myself.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what looks good, what doesn't look good,

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Speaker 1: what color combos are supposed to be here. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: tube socks. All wear boots and I'll have white tube

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Speaker 2: So I said, ah, that looks so stupid.

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Speaker 1: So you know what, I've decided, I'm going to attack

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Speaker 1: I you ready for this. I'm gonna become a fashion

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Speaker 1: icon what Chris I am. I'm gonna look really fashionable

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Speaker 1: If what Chris leathers is not what do people know?

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Speaker 1: It does not Chris? It does me not that kind

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Speaker 2: It is The.

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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure to join you, even with your delayed

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Speaker 4: James that she is usually known, she's the attorney general.

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Speaker 4: They both ran Jesse for their respective offices on an

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Speaker 4: explicit get Trump platform, which is really icky and grossly immoral.

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Speaker 4: I would say, to the extent it's not illegal to

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Speaker 4: But nonetheless, they both did run on those platforms, and

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Speaker 4: the people of New York apparently said, Okay, we'll take

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Speaker 4: that because they're both in office. So Alvin Bragg's prosecution

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Speaker 4: that would the first one to drop last spring. It's

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Speaker 4: thirty four counts. This involved Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels

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Speaker 4: and the alleged fabrication, the cooking of the books. This

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Speaker 4: is a laughable lawsuit. It is so frivolous in my

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Speaker 4: estimation that the New York Times editorial board couldn't even

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Speaker 4: bring itself to robustly defended Jake Taffer on CNN, if

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Speaker 4: I recall, was struggling to defend it on air after

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Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg brought this suit. The Tiss James litigation is

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Speaker 4: potentially more damaging. It's even more chilling because what she

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Speaker 4: operating as this grand sprawling fraud for years and years,

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Speaker 4: and her the way that she arrived at that conclusion

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Speaker 4: including mar A Lago, as a means of securing more

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Speaker 4: favorable bank loans and getting better interest rates and things

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Speaker 4: like that. But this is all very subjective stock It's

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Speaker 4: not obvious how you appraise property, as anyone who owns

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Speaker 4: appraised the property themselves when they gave out the loans.

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Speaker 4: But she nonetheless is seeking upwards of three hundred and

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Speaker 4: seventy million dollars in damages. You have a viciously anti

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Speaker 4: Trump judge Justice and Goroon Arthur and Goron of the

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Speaker 4: state court there, who is overseeing this trial. I fear

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Speaker 4: not just for Trump there, Jesse, but I fear for

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Speaker 4: all small business owners and entrepreneurs in New York State,

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Speaker 4: because this SE's an incredibly chilling precedent if it goes

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Speaker 4: against Trump there. You do not want to be in

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Speaker 4: a position, if you are looking to accumulate capital and

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Speaker 4: start your own small business, where the power of the

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Speaker 4: state can be used against you to call you fraudulent

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Speaker 4: and shut you down simply for securing some sort of

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Speaker 4: loan that the prosecutor did not like. It's really dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, Josh, I should have asked you this beforehand. Is

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Speaker 1: there any way you can stay on for one more segment?

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Speaker 1: I just have a couple other questions about other trials

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Speaker 1: and things like that.

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Speaker 2: You have time for that. If not, just tell me

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Speaker 2: on the air.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, of course, Jesse. You bet, okay? All right?

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Speaker 1: Before I before we go to break real quick, I

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Speaker 1: do want to ask you, though, what kind of legal

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Speaker 1: fees you mentioned? His legal fees are astronomical? What does

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Speaker 1: astronomical mean? I mean Trump is rich, but he's not

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk rich. What kind of fees are we talking about? Here.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's some quick back of the envelope

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Speaker 4: mats here based on what I've seen. I mean, we're

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Speaker 4: talking about a lot of trials obviously, right, so I

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Speaker 4: think we're talking in the hundreds of millions dollars range potentially.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I certainly by the top of this thing

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Speaker 4: is all wrapped up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ah, have mercy, all right. Josh Hammer, of course

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Speaker 1: of the America on Trial podcast is going to come

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Speaker 1: back in just a minute and join us for from

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Speaker 1: Georgia Talk and DC Talk and Timeline Talk. Before we

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Speaker 1: A little problem in the Kelly household. It started off

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Speaker 1: give that dog rough Greens too. I will because as

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Speaker 1: much as I do like to complain about Fred and

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Speaker 1: the new dog we don't have yet, it is pretty

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Speaker 1: freaking wonderful having a dog around the house, making you

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show on a Tuesday. Reminding you you can email love, heye,

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Speaker 1: into Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Let's get right

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Speaker 1: back to Josh Hammer. He is host of the new

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Speaker 1: America on Trial podcast really short, really digestible. We all

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Speaker 1: need this this year. No one else is doing this.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with all these trials? When where what's

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Speaker 1: the damage? Is Trump going to prison?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: So that brings me back to this, Josh Okay. So

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Speaker 1: that's New York. Let's set the New York stuff aside.

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Speaker 1: In Georgia, Trump's facing these ridiculous reco charges. In Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Fanny Willis was of course heading all that up. Now

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Speaker 1: she's got her own problems. Is the fact that Fanny

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Speaker 1: Willis hopelessly corrupt is that gonna get Trump out of jail?

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Speaker 4: It definitely might. I mean we have upcoming in a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks on February fifteenth, there's going to be

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Speaker 4: this motion to dismiss the entire prosecution from Fannie Willis.

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Speaker 4: So that's what they're currently trying to do, the Republicans

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Speaker 4: that would be in the Georgia State Senate. I mean,

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Speaker 4: she appears to be corrupt, you know, five ways from

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Speaker 4: Sunday when it comes not only to her romantic escapades

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Speaker 4: and her you know, apparently scandalous dealings with her own

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Speaker 4: chosen special prosecutor, Nathan Way. But she also seems to

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Speaker 4: have been in communication with the Biden White House, which

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Speaker 4: just weeks of the most corrupt level of coronation imagine

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Speaker 4: role there. So we're going to have this hearing coming

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Speaker 4: up in a couple of weeks. Now, it is a

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Speaker 4: caveating that they wouldn't necessarily just throw out the lawsuit. Rather,

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Speaker 4: what the judge would do in that case, if they

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Speaker 4: do decide that Fonnie Willis is too compromise to try it,

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Speaker 4: they would have it moved to a different jurisdiction, So

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Speaker 4: it would be moved out of Fulton County, Georgia, which

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Speaker 4: is where Atlanta is. That opens up a lot of

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Speaker 4: questions as well, obviously, I mean, where is it going

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Speaker 4: to move? What would the jury pool there look like?

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Speaker 4: Obviously Atlanta is a very unfavorable jury pool for Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump there. But you know, even as of right now,

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Speaker 4: the Georgia government in Fulton County, even based on the

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Speaker 4: current timeline Jesse, they're not even proposing that trial start

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Speaker 4: until August. Until August fifth, and that's assuming that Fannie

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Speaker 4: Wills stays on the case. So there's a million things

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Speaker 4: there that could happen. The timeline, honestly is such that

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Speaker 4: Trump may very well end up getting off scott free

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Speaker 4: when it comes to that, which would be a huge,

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Speaker 4: huge win for him. Because when these four prosecutions first

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Speaker 4: ones I, like many of this, Jesse was most concerned

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Speaker 4: about Georgia I just given the nature of the Jerry Coleness,

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Speaker 4: sprawling nature of the Rico Statute there. So he could

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Speaker 4: get off the hook here. Honestly, the timeline might just

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Speaker 4: be that much in his favor.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, fingers crossed, Okay, that is some good news,

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Speaker 1: which brings us to the big one, the Jack Smith stuff.

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Speaker 1: What's going on in DC? Look, nobody, well, nobody who's

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Speaker 1: been paying attention to the poor January sixth people. Nobody

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Speaker 1: thinks anyone can get a fair trial in DC, at

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Speaker 1: least not on the right. Donald Trump is still facing

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Speaker 1: a trial in DC though, correct, he is.

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Speaker 4: So where that litigation currently is is you had Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's lawyers, so that'll be John Sower, who's the He's

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Speaker 4: an excellent lawyer, actually is a former Missouri slitterer General.

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Speaker 4: You had sour along with Will Sharp, who's a buddy

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Speaker 4: of mine. They were advancing a strong legal argument in court.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessarily an incorrect one, but they

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Speaker 4: were making a strong argument on presidential immunity, basically saying

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Speaker 4: that as a basic matter of constitutional law, a former

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Speaker 4: president cannot be prosecuted for acts that he took while

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Speaker 4: he was president of the United States. But they're actually,

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sound legal footing for this. I thought that

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Speaker 4: a far right legal theory, all this stuff. To me,

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Speaker 4: it's actually fairly straightforward. In fact, it was actually the

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Speaker 4: Nixon administration in nineteen seventy three. So, you know, going

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Speaker 4: The only twist that Jacksmith is making, obviously is that

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Speaker 4: Trump is not currently president, right. The million dollar question

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Speaker 4: is does that totally totally change things. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: the judge They're rejected, So Trump appealed it. He tried

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Speaker 4: to go straight to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court,

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Speaker 4: I think correctly said no, let's just let the DC Circuit,

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Speaker 4: three judge panel in DC essentially whether that litigation goes

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Speaker 4: away in its entirety, because if they find that Trump

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Speaker 4: is fully immune, then you know, Jack Smith can appeal

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Speaker 4: that to the Supreme Court. But that's started looks pretty

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Speaker 4: unfortunately for Trump. I do not think that argument is

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Speaker 4: going to hold at the DC Circuit. Like I said,

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Speaker 4: I think it's a serious, non frivolous legal argument, but

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Speaker 4: I think Fannie Willis and Jacksmith are not going to

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Speaker 4: want to try those two cases at the same time

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Speaker 4: because a lot of the same actors are involved. They're

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Speaker 4: going to need people to be witnesses in both Georgia

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Speaker 4: and in d C. Then you start gaining the questions

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Speaker 4: of trying to coordinate trial schedules there. But that's where

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Speaker 4: the DC case stands right now. We're waiting to see

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Speaker 4: what's going to happen from that three judge panel on

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Speaker 4: this strong community argument that Trump and his lawyers have meit.

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Speaker 1: Okay again, it's Josh Hammer America on Trial Podcast. One

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Speaker 1: final question. I've only got about a minute here, but

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Speaker 1: it's the big one. Okay. You say we're probably facing

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Speaker 1: a Trump trial in DC over the next month or two.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the legal ramifications, but is there a

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Speaker 4: There's a chance, but I don't think the timeline's going

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Speaker 4: to work out for the prosecutors here, Jesse. These things

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Speaker 4: take a very long time. I mean, right now we're

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Speaker 4: like that. So none of these cases have gone to

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Speaker 4: probably not going to happen in any of these cases

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