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Speaker 2: What incentive do you have to sign an extension with.

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Speaker 3: Noah Hiles is whether us Pirates beat writer for the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Noah, great to talk to you. Very

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Speaker 3: busy times for you despite the team not playing good ball,

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Speaker 3: hit you right away with the good stuff. Do you

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Speaker 1: I do. I think there is a high likelihood at

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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on him and what you can

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think there's a lot of value

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Speaker 1: he produces. What do you get from him? You get

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Speaker 1: In those thirty starts, he's probably gonna go five plus

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Speaker 5: All right, where's the value? Where's the value in the

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Speaker 1: It's a tough question because I think if they could

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Speaker 3: And the problem when you're the Pirates is that if

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you caught it. Pat McAfee was over in

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Speaker 1: I think that Manford, I don't know if it's necessarily

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Speaker 1: Any commissioner of any sporting league should want this. They

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Speaker 2: And right now it's hard to make that argument.

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates. And I think the commissioner recognizes that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, salary floor is obviously the answer. It's just that

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Speaker 3: they'll never go for that because the people that vote

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Speaker 3: topic of Bob, do you think he's okay with in

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Speaker 3: intra division trade? I know you mentioned Mitch Keller and

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Speaker 3: the Cubs and maybe the Mets. Do you think that

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Speaker 3: have to remember, ultimately, one person makes the final decision

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Speaker 3: with the White Sox right trying to maybe amp the

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Speaker 3: any of that would be the case if the Cubs

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Speaker 3: call about Mitch Keller?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the Pirates are in a position right

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Speaker 1: and if that comes from a team that they're going

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Speaker 1: then that's just the harsh reality of the situation they

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Speaker 1: put themselves in. I don't think it's completely off the table.

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Speaker 1: As far as Keller to the Cubs. I was recently

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Speaker 1: told that he's not their top priority right now, or

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Speaker 1: at least that's what it's led to believe from my sources.

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Speaker 1: They're still interested, but I think they have other guys

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Speaker 1: for Mitch, I think that that deal does get done.

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Speaker 5: What about what about my boy Adam Fraser, He's just

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Speaker 5: going through the cycle of teams that's that he's played on.

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Speaker 5: Can you kind of explain how far out this trade, Like,

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Speaker 5: It just kind of pop up. I know people are

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Speaker 5: to me, it's a big deal because he's a great

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Speaker 2: I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I think Adam Fraser is a perfect bench piece for

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Speaker 1: can play a whole bunch of different positions. He has

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Speaker 2: We've seen that at times this season.

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Speaker 1: I know when the Pirates acquired him, they didn't expect

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Speaker 1: the most Pirates injury ever, and he takes over as

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Speaker 2: So I think the trade was expected.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you do when you have a

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Speaker 1: they were anticipating getting anything amazing for him, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like we just mentioned, got a veteran guy who's played

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Speaker 3: No last one for you. I want to make sure

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Speaker 3: we get to Dennis Santana and David Bednark. Do you

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Speaker 3: think both of them definitely will go because they both

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Speaker 2: I don't know of both.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's like the biggest question I entered

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Speaker 2: How do you handle that?

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Speaker 1: Because the Pirates bullpen has been very inconsistent throughout this regime,

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Speaker 2: Give both of them away?

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Speaker 1: One of them is a Pittsburgh guy, and how many

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Speaker 1: players in Major League Baseball right now are chomping at

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Speaker 1: But David Bednar is a proud Pittsburgh pirate. So moving

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Speaker 1: I mean Santana, I think is an incredibly underrated asset.

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Speaker 1: He's been one of the best right handers in the

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Speaker 2: Use him in so many different spots.

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Speaker 1: I think that of those two, Santana's more likely to

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Speaker 4: At both women.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we'll keep an eye on it. That's maybe

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Speaker 3: Diamondback's getting a lot of up fireates have a lot

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Speaker 3: to sell here. Noah, thanks for the time, great work,

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, guys, thanks for having me on