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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode will contain spoilers for various plot arcs

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Speaker 1: for the Clone Wars and some comics and basically anything

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Speaker 1: that centers the character of Darth Maul. Hello, it is

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Speaker 1: Jas Sconcepcion and on Rosey Night, and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the x ray vision of the podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 1: deep into your favorite Joe's movies, colleges of pop culture,

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Speaker 1: cover your resident.

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Speaker 2: Buster.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are gonna cool off ust memories

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Speaker 3: of Darth Maul and his immense impact in the prequels.

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Speaker 3: We are gonna get you ready for what you need

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Speaker 3: to know before the new Darth Maul spin off show.

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Speaker 3: And then we're going to talk about his legacy. Why

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Speaker 3: do we care so much about this character, Why do

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Speaker 3: we love him? Why is he so iconic? Why does

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Speaker 3: Dave FALONEI keep bringing him back. We're gonna be answering it.

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Speaker 1: He loves a little Darth Maul. First, Rosie, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about our first Darth Maul experiences. Was what was the

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Speaker 1: first time you encountered Darth Maul.

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Speaker 3: Definitely in the lead up to the prequels. I was like,

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Speaker 3: my family was a big Star Wars family, so that

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Speaker 3: was a huge deal for me. Me and my mom

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Speaker 3: went and watched the remastered versions of the movies before

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Speaker 2: I just remember seeing him and just thinking.

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Speaker 3: That he looked really scary, like you felt like this

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Speaker 3: is gonna be your new Darth Vader, you know, it

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Speaker 3: felt like this was that new terrifying person.

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Speaker 2: It's also exciting for me because I read a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of I read a lot of like Star Wars Legends

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Speaker 3: old Star Wars EU books. So for me, I was

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Speaker 3: just really excited to get into this kind of wider

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Speaker 1: Did you read like, what was it Darth Maul's shadow

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I was.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was very into Uh.

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Speaker 3: I was extremely into what his brother he has this

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Speaker 3: I was. I was a big book reader, so I

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Speaker 3: But I remember just visually seeing him and also of

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Speaker 2: What about into the movies? What about you?

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Speaker 1: I've asked, and it was The Phantom Menace in theaters.

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Speaker 1: I think that was we were on a road trip.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, damn, I think that

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Speaker 1: He I mean, he looks insane, he looks crazy.

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Speaker 2: The double side of that that design is crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. The double sided lightsaber is so good.

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Speaker 1: And you know his his fight scene with Qui Gon

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Speaker 1: that's a that's it for Darth Maul. I thought he

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Speaker 3: Definitely not in that Sere in that trilogy, which was

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Speaker 3: And something that was really interesting about the introduction of

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Speaker 3: Prequels came out, then that just blew everything up, and

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Speaker 3: That's when we start to learn about Savajo Press and

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Speaker 3: because really, Jason, like, how much is he on screen?

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Speaker 4: In the fact, I think it's I think he has

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Speaker 1: It's just like I think he says like two sentences

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Speaker 3: So it's really interesting because also we didn't know kind

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that because I was late to it.

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Speaker 1: Clone Wars had been running for maybe two or three

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Speaker 3: It did not have an animation style that appealed to

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Speaker 1: I was not plugged into it, but I was having

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Speaker 2: That's the hyperfect thing.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, we you know, we were talking

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Speaker 1: You know, season three, I want to say, is where

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Speaker 1: That kind of stuff as a setup to Savage Opress,

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Speaker 3: Just an incredible character. Okay, so we're gonna go through, Guys,

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Speaker 3: the important things you need to know about Darth Maul.

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Speaker 2: This is not.

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Speaker 3: This is a holistic viewpoint put together by our incredible producers.

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Speaker 2: So we're not gonna be like, read this comic, do

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Speaker 3: Though you can do that because we love that, and

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Speaker 3: you can watch Clone Wars. We always suggest watching Clone Wars.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: But this is basically what you need to know, especially

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Speaker 3: if you're a timeline guy. So fifty four BB, why

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Speaker 3: before the Battle of Jabin, Guys, He's born to mother

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Speaker 4: I think this is.

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Speaker 1: I think these events correct me if I'm wrong, are

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Speaker 3: I love when we interact with how these two sides

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Speaker 3: So I was never really able to get like scared

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Speaker 3: When he was a baby, he used to listen to

442
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 3: all these like spooky YouTube songs that luckily pre AI

443
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: where it would be like about like the one that

444
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: I always sing still that was so haunting. I was

445
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 3: babysitting in one time he was like three and he

446
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: was watching YouTube and one of his favorite songs was

447
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: about a killer air conditioner and it was called killer

448
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: air Conditioner and it's.

449
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: A five four three two one zero you're froze, I'll

450
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 5: catch you while you are doe, and then it was

451
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 5: like a Hani Man video of a girl being frozen

452
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 5: to death. So I also do think that when I

453
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 5: was a kid, like, I didn't find Darth Vata scary, right,

454
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: it was like kind of I'd grown up with Chucky

455
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 5: and stuff. So by the time I'm watching Star Wars,

456
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 5: I didn't find him scary. I didn't find James L.

457
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 5: Jones voice is scary.

458
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: I love James L.

459
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 4: Jones.

460
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 3: I loved Conan so like, even though he's a villain

461
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: in that too, but I thought he was really cool

462
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: with those bangs. So like I think as well, Darth

463
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: Moore was uniquely positioned to people our age to be

464
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: like this cool, more edgy addition to Star Wars, and

465
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 3: I think that that was just marketing that hit really

466
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: really well.

467
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Speaker 1: I think for me, you know, it's funny how you

468
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: need you have this long relationship with Star Wars. I

469
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: think as a storytelling property, you know, like I had

470
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: an incredible Hulk, tricycle, Spider Man Onesie, but I didn't

471
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: know the stories. It was really Star Wars is the

472
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: first fantasy story that's a that that was part of

473
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: my life and that is still part of my life.

474
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: And and so like different facets emerge over time, and

475
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: I think it's been amazing to see how rich Star

476
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: Wars is despite you know, I think there was a

477
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: period where it was like, you know, you figure out

478
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: that it's the hero's journey, and you figure out all.

479
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: These things, and you figure out it's very currised, our

480
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: inspy it and you and suddenly you're like, for there's

481
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: a moment there, I think, like you know, young adulthood,

482
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh, it's actually very It's I still

483
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: think it's so cool, you know, but it's actually much

484
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: much less deep than I.

485
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: Thought it was, and.

486
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Speaker 1: The way around where I'm like, oh my god, like

487
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: it's tremendously deep. And I think one of the aspects

488
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: that I find really affecting and that isn't talked about

489
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: in a kind of general way, is that Star Wars

490
00:24:54,359 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: is largely about mentorship and and it's basically the like

491
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: one long, huge, interconnected parable about like don't meet your heroes,

492
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: and that's real and time and time again. Characters who

493
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: are starting out in the world, whether from the light

494
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: side or the dark side or the non force user

495
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: side or whatever, are they meet mentors who lead them astray.

496
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they mean to and maybe they don't. And Maul

497
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: is an interesting example of this, where he is indoctrinated

498
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: really into like evil and hatred and he starts getting

499
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: good at it, and he starts, you know, really enjoying it,

500
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: and he's showing maybe that he has the potential to

501
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: maybe you.

502
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: Know, be the top Sith one day.

503
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: And so then of course, like the rule of two

504
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: kicks in and Sidius kicks him to the curb and

505
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: his hatred, the hatred that sustains him, like he projects

506
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: it at the Jedi, but it's really a projection like

507
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: away from Sidious who it's a projection away from everything

508
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: that he's gone through, Like he focuses it on Obi

509
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: Wan for you know a lot of the Clone Wars,

510
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: but it's not about that. It's about himself, no, and

511
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: it's about Sidious And there is really something tragic and

512
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: heartbreaking about watching this character think that he has learned

513
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: the rules by which the game is played, only to

514
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: discover that those rules were set up for him to

515
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: fail at a certain moment so that the person who

516
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: actually wrote the rules can keep going, keep succeeding.

517
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 4: And even then he can't grasp it.

518
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: Even and like, as he is building his own life

519
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: for himself, being like figuring out like a different becoming

520
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: a more complex person, you know, with his his you know,

521
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: running of the syndicates and his dealings with the syndicates,

522
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: he's showing an ability to like broker deals. Even then

523
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: it's going only one place, which is heartbreak, and he

524
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: can never Every time he like glimpses the truth of it,

525
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: he can't accept it. And there's just something really tragic

526
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: and I think, really affecting about the way that story

527
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: is told.

528
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've actually you actually sparked something I think that

529
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: you talk that I hadn't.

530
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: Really realized before.

531
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: He is essentially like a prototype yeah, for what ended

532
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: up becoming the most exciting parts of Star Wars, which

533
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: is like, okay, wait a minute.

534
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Is any of this good? Like is the Jedi good?

535
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: Is the Sith good?

536
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: Like? Is there a side you should pick or is

537
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: this all part of the same fucked up system in

538
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: its own way? And that is so often what we've

539
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: been talking about that we love in the Star Wars books,

540
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: in the.

541
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: Star Wars comics. I mean also, I would say this

542
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: is such an X ray vision take right.

543
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: But you know why he's so iconic because of creators

544
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: like Dave Filoni who put that shit in there, the

545
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: writers like Jamie Barlow, Juan Fraguero, Maris Vargas, the people

546
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: who worked on the comics like I think you're right.

547
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: He basically established he was an almost I guess Cipher,

548
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: but became more of an exploration of the dark side

549
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: and the failings of the dark side and that idea

550
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: of mentorship, which is such a huge part of what I.

551
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: Love about The Last Jedi. I wrote an article about

552
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: it about how for me it felt.

553
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: Like we were finally dealing with something the Jedi had

554
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: never dealt with, which is like, it's abusive a lot

555
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: of the ways that these people.

556
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Deal with it, like Luke, that's your nephew, and you

557
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: were just.

558
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: Because this idea of like you can't love, you can't

559
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: feel anger, Like those are repressive ideals and You're right,

560
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: more basically got to be the precursor for people to

561
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: try and tell different kinds of stories about those relationships.

562
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: What do you think it is.

563
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: That makes it so Disney can still make a Mall

564
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: show even though we're talking about stuff that ninety percent

565
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: of people who had just average Disney plus you know

566
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: subscribers might not know about. Like, what is it that

567
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: makes doth mol still have a legacy right now?

568
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's like to the wider audience.

569
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's like we said, you know, I

570
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: did find the syndicate era of Mall really fascinating and

571
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: it's barely touched on, And I think it's it's that,

572
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, this comes back really to like comic book

573
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: storytelling in a way, and serialized storytelling, and the way

574
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: creators in the handoff have to go back and find

575
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: these pockets of like unexplained things or little moments, little

576
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: easter eggs, little clues that got dropped that they can

577
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: then take and be like, I'm going to make something

578
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: out of this. And to me, the Mall thing is

579
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: is perfect because yeah, I want to know the Dragon

580
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: foss reveal at the end of Solo, which I think

581
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: is is has better moment?

582
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: I feel like this is might like my defenders take,

583
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: but I feel like.

584
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: I feel like there are better moments in that movie

585
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: than people remember. And I feel like poor mister Aaron

586
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: Reich really got man handled in I think like, I

587
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: think they did him dirty. Whoever was behind a lot

588
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: of like the coverage and the pr on the Disney

589
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: side of that really did him dirty in some kind

590
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: of way. And the movie has some fantastic and really

591
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: intriguing elements and this is one of them. So I think,

592
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, one of the powers of Star Wars that is,

593
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: like you know, like we've been saying, is like is

594
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: the system good? Is the inextricable relationship between dark and

595
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: the light. Good is the capture of Star Wars by

596
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: the corporate entity Disney Good. It's good in this sense

597
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: that the capitalist incentive to keep telling Star Wars stories

598
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: gives us moments like this, where now we're going to

599
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: explore this really interesting side to mal Yeah.

600
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

601
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, if you're doing like a quick fire top

602
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: five Star Wars villains, where does we'll end up?

603
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: What's your top five? Where does he rank?

604
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: Top five Star Wars villains. This is just me personally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

605
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: this Darth Vader number one. I understand the redemption arc.

606
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah, Darth Vader number one, Darth

607
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: Vader number one because of Yeah, everything.

608
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: He influenced, like the sheer impact of seeing him, the

609
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: power he has, everything about him.

610
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: His silhouette is iconic. You can just that's true.

611
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: This the silhouette of the helmet, and that's Darth Vader

612
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: iconic job of the hut oh job legend.

613
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: We are so excited to see him, see his hot sudden,

614
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: we can't wait.

615
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: I just love I listen. Job is a pickable criminal.

616
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: But to see him for the first time on screen

617
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: after like all the job of this Joba that Joba

618
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: was looking for you, Java was and I could not

619
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: imagine Jaba looking the way he looked.

620
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: I did not, And so like the.

621
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: Sheer shock of seeing Java for the first time remains

622
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: with me.

623
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: I love Java. I feel like from and or Java.

624
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: I want to know how.

625
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: I feel the same way about Java.

626
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I would session.

627
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Then I would say sidious, just because he's like a

628
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: he's like a crime boss.

629
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 6: You know, he.

630
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Has manipulated and corrupted so many mm hmmm. It's important

631
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: to not put aside Anakin and Maul and others their

632
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: agency in that whole dynamics victims they had, they had

633
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: responsibility within that, even though Sidious very powerful, was corrupting them.

634
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, that said. Part of the seduction was

635
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: in Anakin's mind. In Mal's mind.

636
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: Is like, oh this fucking old guy, I can do

637
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: that is bitch. I can take him.

638
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: I can do it. I can take over.

639
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: And Sidius is so well aware of that dynamic and

640
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: his pulling the strings. I mean he basically like broke

641
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: the Jedi's ankles and did the alan iverson like step

642
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: over on their whole bodies.

643
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: Like it's incredible what he did.

644
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: As you gotta say, he's a successful man. They did

645
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: not know, like he was behind the scenes. You can't

646
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: look the matters what madas he got things done.

647
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: Mad that's me talking about.

648
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: And then I would go and then I go, mall

649
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: because I think that the tragic heartbreak a character that

650
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I didn't honestly like, I got into a place where

651
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: I was like that's cool, but it's like a throwaway

652
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: moment that doesn't mean anything.

653
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: And to build this whole.

654
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Framework and to really like explore the rule of two

655
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: in a way that I think is the most impactful.

656
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Like obviously there's other depictions and other media, but I

657
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: think it's those that Clone Wars run seasons three and

658
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: four where you really see that that brings home the

659
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: tragedy of it and it's and it and brings home

660
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: what a flip side of the coin the Siths really are.

661
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: For the Jedi, they all they do the same thing.

662
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: They do the same shit.

663
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: Man, they separate you from your family. Okay, final one

664
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: way it for you?

665
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: Who are the Who are the villains?

666
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: Okay?

667
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: Okay for me?

668
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: For me, I'm gonna I'm putting Sidious Bust because I

669
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: do just think he is like the number one on

670
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: like Manipulator. I'm also gonna shout out some on some

671
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: kind of like bureaucratic villains because I think those are

672
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: very evil. Uh, I'm gonna go second, Braun. I love it,

673
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 3: you know, I I think he's.

674
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: A really great villain.

675
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: I think like ever since I read Air to the Empire,

676
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: I really did feel like he was on next Star Fade.

677
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah, no, no, I know what you mean,

678
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: he's more of like an anti hero in the in

679
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: the space, in the Star Wars space.

680
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: And then I would say, you know, I'm not gonna I.

681
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: Think you were right, like the fad is the ultimate one.

682
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: So I'm scheduling from out of my five. I know

683
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: he's really number one. I'm also gonna put in some

684
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: other words awesyncretic, I like a bureaucratic.

685
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: Kranick is so evil. I also am a I'm a

686
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: deer brush. He's like one of the most evil.

687
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: Now that's exciting.

688
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: Moral is probably for me, He's probably like my fifth,

689
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: like I think he is. I need to see him

690
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: doing more villainous ship that is on that like fascistic

691
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: side of the empire. I'm I'm kind of like a

692
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: supporter of a criminal, like a criminal cindicate. Okay, you

693
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: know so, But I think basically the point is that

694
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: after this show, I do think he could be I

695
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: think a lot of people are going to be having

696
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: that conversation again because also Darth Vader not a strategist, right,

697
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: Like a lot of people who get ensnared by this

698
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: sith like Anakin, they basically like.

699
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: Were like, hey, uh, you know, your wife might die

700
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: if you.

701
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: Keep loving her, so like, don't love her okay, and

702
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: don't use the force to help her have a baby,

703
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: like they're kind of dumb. But I really like what

704
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: I like about Maurel is even though he has that

705
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: obsession and that hatred and all those emotions you're not

706
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: supposed to feel, they actually give him kind of more power,

707
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: more understanding, and a little bit of an outside view

708
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: on what the Sith and the Jedi are really like

709
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: trying to do. I don't know, I just think he's

710
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: a great He's a great strategist. I want to see

711
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: you fucking over some high up people. I think we're

712
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: going to be rooting for him in the show, while

713
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: also kind of like, you know, it's I'm so excited.

714
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: We know, let's go to a break and then we'll

715
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: talk about.

716
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: And we're back, okay, Yeah, So what are we what

717
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: are we expecting from the show?

718
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 4: What are we what are we excited about?

719
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: I think for me, the thing I'm most excited about

720
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: is the notion that this is going to be another

721
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: space for us to learn about the wider Star Wars

722
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: universe and what was going on at the time, Because

723
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: this isn't like we said, this is an era that

724
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: we kind of know about and we've seen him do,

725
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: but the fact that this is an expanded version the

726
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: events are basically set after the events of the Clone Wars.

727
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: More plots to rebuild his criminal syndica on a planet

728
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: untouched by the Empire. There, he crosses a path with

729
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: a disillusion young Jedi padawan who could be the apprentice

730
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: he is seeking that will aid him in his relentless

731
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: suit for revenge.

732
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 2: That to me sounds good. One.

733
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 3: I love that there's a Jedi involved. Is it gonna

734
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: be a new Jedi? I hope so, I love a

735
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: new Jedi. We've gotten some of our faiths from the

736
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: animated series, So I'm just really excited to learn more

737
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: about this time frame with the backdrop of the Greater

738
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: Galactic kind of events and then seeing it through the

739
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: eyes of this kind of low level criminal.

740
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: Underclass that to me just seems so ripe.

741
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: And also, when we were talking about the More episode

742
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: in Clone Wars, it just kind of reminded me like,

743
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: I want one of those episodes that makes me feel

744
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna cry. That episode made me feel like

745
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: I was gonna cry, Like I believe the power of

746
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: Star Wars animation. There's even been moving ones in the

747
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 3: vision shorts. You know, I love the Kaiber Crystal singing episode.

748
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: We've gotten great moments in the the even the hilarious

749
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: yaddle like battle like it didn't made me but I

750
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: was like, WHOA. I never thought I'd get to see that.

751
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: So I hope that this show brings us some of that.

752
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: I want to know. I remember when they.

753
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: Brought back the Clone, they brought back the Bad Batch

754
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: as part of kind of an extension of the Clone

755
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: was and that opening where we really saw what happened

756
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: when Ortu sixty six was enacted and kind of how

757
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: it impacted and who was there. I remember feeling like

758
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: this is a revelation, like this is going to change

759
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 3: Star Wars canon. I want moments like that from this show. Jason,

760
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: what are you most excited to see?

761
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: I am excited. I mean you mentioned a heartbreak, and

762
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the last time Mal had

763
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: an apprentice, City has killed him. And so how does

764
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: that affect the dynamic now with this new patawan? How

765
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: does how does Mall approach things? What has Mal learned?

766
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: How does I'll deal with losing his brother through this

767
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: new relationship that is a mirror image of that one.

768
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: So I think that is going to be very interesting.

769
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: I also I've been excited by just the way folks

770
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: are talking about this show that it's you know, being

771
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: described as like a dirty or grungier imaginating of Star Wars.

772
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: That's on top of the fact that this is really

773
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 1: an undercovered era of galactic history and the crime scene

774
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: to gets in general and their interactions together is something

775
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: that I've always been fascinated in. And also I believe

776
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: this is the first time we've gotten a show that

777
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: is just based on a villain. Now that tells me

778
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: that Mal is not going to be is not going

779
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: to remain a villain in the purest sense.

780
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 4: He's gonna be an antihero.

781
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: But but you know, we're not going I can't follow

782
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: a guy just doing atrocities count no, So I do

783
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: think as well, I really like this the way that

784
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: it is described, like kind of the trailer kind of

785
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: showcases us is like almost like seeking revenge against the

786
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: Galactic Empire.

787
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: He survived on a sixty six.

788
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: He teams up with this Jedi who is I guess

789
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: gonna be a new Jedi called Devin Izara, So I

790
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: kind of love this notion.

791
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: Again.

792
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: Sorry, Pablo Hidaga, I know I'm always pissing you off

793
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: with this, but like, this is.

794
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: Giving Gray Jedi guys.

795
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: It's giving a connection between the two forces because we

796
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: see in the trailer them fighting together against an inquisitor.

797
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: So I agree with you, Jason.

798
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: I think this is gonna be more as more of

799
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: an anti heroic figure, more maybe even turning into a

800
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: Sare Guerrera style figure, not necessarily about his m of

801
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: my enemy, the notion of it being a kind of

802
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: him being a fringe character. I'm also really glad they

803
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 3: brought back Sam Whittwer, who.

804
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: Is on more from the series. It's very interesting.

805
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: Also, we get a name for Richard Iowadd's droid two boots,

806
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: which I can't wait for. Uh, this is just gonna

807
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: be so interesting. I also love the redesign they did.

808
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: They definitely trying to get that monster fucking money. He's

809
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: looking like he's got the jaw, He's.

810
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: Got the cut jaw. It's gonna interestingly as well.

811
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: They are gonna drop the finale on May fourth, so

812
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: that's obviously smart Wars Day and I feel like they

813
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: are expecting to be able to do a lot of

814
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: big coverage, a lot of big conversation. I wouldn't be

815
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: surprised if something in there directly ties to what we're

816
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: gonna see in the movies that are coming out. I yeah,

817
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm just very excited about this show and as you

818
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: can tell, big, big more fans here Xtra Vision, and.

819
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 4: I want to I'm wondering, like, you know, will Kira

820
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: be in this? Willas be in this?

821
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get some more of that of the

822
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: stuff that underpins the underrated in my opinion, Solo, But

823
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: I think they haven't.

824
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: We have no idea, but I think that would be

825
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: really cool.

826
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

827
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: I'm interested also to see what happens with the visuals

828
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 3: because definitely the trailer is more akin to your kind

829
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: of Spider Us. We know it's gonna be mixed CG

830
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: and mixed hand animation. So there was a really good

831
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: interview in SFX Magazine with Brad Raw, who's like the

832
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: supervising director, talking about how Dave Filoni wanted them to

833
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: see more brushstrokes in the skin tones and the buildings,

834
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: and they wanted to have like light and effect where

835
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: his team was actually painting on the glasses of them

836
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: with actual brushes, then scanning in the brushstrokes. So there's

837
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: this really interesting They say, there's a hero shot. Hello,

838
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: a great hero shot of Mal as his lightsaber turns

839
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: on and you look at the smoke next to him

840
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: and you can see the brushstrokes in the smoke.

841
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: So I'm very.

842
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: Interested to see. I didn't get that fully in the trailer.

843
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: It definitely more just like a show that understood it

844
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: was coming out post Arcane, post you know, K Pop,

845
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: Demon Hunter's, post Spider Man. But I'm very excited that

846
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: that does seem to be something that they was intentional

847
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: and was actually to do with the way they produced it.

848
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: I am just so interested because you could come off

849
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: this like if we think about Disney, think about capitalism,

850
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: think about IP, you could really come off this with

851
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: a live action mal movie, which I feel like is

852
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: kind of what they would love to do.

853
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: So let's see what happens post.

854
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: The Siege of Mandlaw leading into that you know, solo ending,

855
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: and see if this is something where we can get

856
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, more more, or it could just become another

857
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: incredible animated series that broadens out the Star Wars Galaxy,

858
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: which is something that honestly as much as look, we

859
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: know not everyone loves Dave Filoney's situation when it comes

860
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: to like the live action, it hasn't hit as much

861
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: for everyone we see TVD But you know, I I

862
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: love the Mandalorian, I even like Boba fair Like they're fun.

863
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: They're Star Wars to me, and I know that's not

864
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: the case. So sometimes a conversation around Filoni can be

865
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: a little bit contemporary. But you've got to remember, guys,

866
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: the only reason we really have any of the Star

867
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: Wars we have now is because he was making these kids'

868
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: TV shows like they were fucking movies, and he was

869
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: creating something that years later would be able to look

870
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: back on and say, Okay, this is where we build

871
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: from next.

872
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: That's huge and has not really.

873
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: Ever been done in a kind of shared universe space,

874
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: even like in anime or manga, those adaptations don't often

875
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: directly connect to an the animated version to a live

876
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: action version and stuff like that. So I do think

877
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: that this is someone that I can put my trust

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Speaker 3: now that we're on with Star Wars is because it

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time, so I think this could

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Speaker 3: I really wanted to bring that energy and also I

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Speaker 3: just want to see Darth more like cutting people in half.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into

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Speaker 1: the second episode of Daredelford Again season two. It's crazy, Folks,

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Speaker 1: that's x Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepts Young

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Speaker 1: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 4: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 3: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 3: songs by Aaron Kauffman. Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord,

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Speaker 3: Kenny Goodman and Heidi our discord moderator