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Speaker 1: Let's get into today's episode with Ricky Williams Heisman Trophy winner.
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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football. God, by the way, when you when you
Speaker 1: bounce back, I think it was two thousand and nine, yep, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I picked you up off Waivers. Was going fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams this year, welcome man, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: I remember that year very specifically because it was the
Speaker 1: first year I ever played Fantasy and I picked you
Speaker 1: up off Waivers and that was that the year that
Speaker 1: the Wildcat was going crazy, was like Ronnie Brown and you.
Speaker 1: And it was a year after and Ronnie got hurt.
Speaker 1: So I was having a pretty good year. And then
Speaker 1: Ronnie went down towards the end of the year and
Speaker 1: I got a chance to start. And my first start
Speaker 1: was Thursday night against the Panthers the year. Three touchdowns
Speaker 1: that game, and I ran for over one hundred yards,
Speaker 1: and I think I went three straight hundred yard games.
Speaker 1: I remember. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy because I remember as
Speaker 1: a kid. I was never ever as a as a kid,
Speaker 1: I never was big into college football, but I remember
Speaker 1: you because you were like a cultural phenom when you
Speaker 1: were at Texas, like you won the Heisman Trophy. And
Speaker 1: I specifically remember that Sports Illustrated cover when you went
Speaker 1: to the NFL was was it was a union Mike Dica? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, like that was just just liken iconic moment
Speaker 1: that I always remember as a kid, like you had
Speaker 1: such a crazy year or a crazy career. But you know,
Speaker 1: with where the NFL has moved, when when it comes
Speaker 1: to testing weed, do you feel like you kind of
Speaker 1: had to take like you kind of took a lot
Speaker 1: of bullets for everybody when it came to the weed. Shit.
Speaker 1: I mean that's not that wasn't the plan, but I
Speaker 1: think looking back, yeah I did, and only because I
Speaker 1: was really the first person to tell the truth about it,
Speaker 1: because I mean, it was strange when I started, when
Speaker 1: I got put in trouble for smoking. You know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't even a real smoker. I just it was just
Speaker 1: bad timing. There were dudes on the team that were
Speaker 1: real smokers, and you know, but nobody knew for me
Speaker 1: because I was I was one of the top players,
Speaker 1: and because it was made public, and then when I
Speaker 1: was put on the spot, I didn't lie about it.
Speaker 1: You know, it became a story and it was funny.
Speaker 1: What I've realized is it gave people, especially back then
Speaker 1: this is you know not now in California. Back then,
Speaker 1: it gave people an excuse to say weed, or to
Speaker 1: say marijuana, or to give people an excuse to talk
Speaker 1: about it. So you just started seeing people having more
Speaker 1: conversations of something that was kept you know, we don't
Speaker 1: talk about this. We were talking about Now everybody was
Speaker 1: talking about it, And I think that's really what's helped,
Speaker 1: is that it just started the conversation. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you know, back then we all remember it was it
Speaker 1: was it was you know, weed was in the same
Speaker 1: conversation as people who'd be doing cocaine or like just
Speaker 1: the idea of smoking weed and being leveeled or trouble maker.
Speaker 1: It's like crazy, you know what I mean. Did you
Speaker 1: find that because back when you were in the NFL
Speaker 1: BRO when you first got drafted, concussions weren't a thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, taking as many shots to get
Speaker 1: you out on the field was very normalized. Putting you
Speaker 1: on as many painkillers was very normalized. There wasn't. We
Speaker 1: weren't as aware of, you know, the addictive effects of
Speaker 1: all these things. And weed to me is like the
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory. That's like, you know, for any sport, but
Speaker 1: really for football, it should be pushed to the players.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I believe from my own
Speaker 1: experience of being an NFL player, not just playing myself,
Speaker 1: but also being around other guys and seeing what happened
Speaker 1: to the guys that you know, they live off taking
Speaker 1: shots and drinking beer with their Viking and that's their
Speaker 1: their pain regimen. And we know what that does to
Speaker 1: people over a long period of time, people that we
Speaker 1: used to have to take these indocents what they are called,
Speaker 1: and we used to have to take them the night
Speaker 1: before before practice. Yeah, because if you didn't take it,
Speaker 1: you know, you went out to practice and you felt
Speaker 1: like you were eighty five years old. But if you
Speaker 1: took innocent, it's an insight. It's like just a really
Speaker 1: strong ibuprofriend. And if you and if we took it,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you didn't take it, you feel like
Speaker 1: eighty five. If you took it, you feel like you're
Speaker 1: twelve years old. Was this something that was is still around? Yeah? They,
Speaker 1: I mean they give it out. So it's it's standard
Speaker 1: when you get into the NFL. The first time you
Speaker 1: know about yeah, you get everybody or the tortof shot, right.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the NFL knows about this because it's a
Speaker 1: lifesaver and and that's what that's what was the norm.
Speaker 1: And for me, I remember one day I was sitting
Speaker 1: in the training room and I was seeing guys come
Speaker 1: in one by one to get their tourt all shot.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, if we're doing this for our
Speaker 1: whole careers, we're having to get shots, what is this
Speaker 1: going to do to our bodies? And then I kind
Speaker 1: of took a challenge on to myself. I said, I
Speaker 1: want to see how long I can go and the
Speaker 1: season without without having to do that. And I started
Speaker 1: smoking a little bit, and I was in the drug program,
Speaker 1: so I had to like measure it out. You know.
Speaker 1: I could take two hits the night, you know, the
Speaker 1: day after I got tested and still be fine. And
Speaker 1: so I found that that worked. I did a little
Speaker 1: extra stretching, you know, just was more in touch with
Speaker 1: my body and I didn't have to take those those medicines.
Speaker 1: And so I learned from myself that cannabis was better
Speaker 1: for me than how long did you did you go
Speaker 1: the whole year where her having to take one of
Speaker 1: these I had to take. I had to take one
Speaker 1: in the second to last game of the season. But
Speaker 1: that was it. What year was that? This was two
Speaker 1: thousand and uh, this two thousand and three when I
Speaker 1: led the NFL and carries I carried them almost four
Speaker 1: hundred times. That's crazy, man, It's crazy when you look
Speaker 1: at your stats, right, and I believe you're like around
Speaker 1: top thirty and rushing, Like to think like what your
Speaker 1: stats would have been had none of this bullshit happened,
Speaker 1: had you not had to have gone and played in
Speaker 1: Canada for a year, like you know, like it's crazy
Speaker 1: because in O nine, we're talking about O nine, like
Speaker 1: people counted you out by then. Yeah, especially in running
Speaker 1: back years. Yeah, yeah, and it's like this guy bounced back,
Speaker 1: And do you ever do you ever have any regret
Speaker 1: about how things played out? You know the main thing
Speaker 1: for me, I think the reason I don't have any
Speaker 1: regrets is because I got over the ten thousand yard mark.
Speaker 1: That was something that was important for me to say,
Speaker 1: Okay that my time playing football on the field in
Speaker 1: the NFL wasn't wasted because I accomplished something. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I did it in eleven seasons and one of
Speaker 1: those seasons only lasted a quarter because I tore my peck.
Speaker 1: So essentially I almost average one thousand yards a season.
Speaker 1: And considering I didn't start for half my career, and
Speaker 1: considering I was out for a year, then back in,
Speaker 1: then out for a year, and then back in then
Speaker 1: out for a year and back in that I feel
Speaker 1: like I did it and I did it my way,
Speaker 1: and so I don't have any regrets. When you got
Speaker 1: drafted to the Saints, what that that season? Who was
Speaker 1: the quarterback is Jake Alone? And well, yeah, wow, Jake
Speaker 1: Alone came on like that. He was like he was
Speaker 1: a third string guy. Yeah, and he just came Wait
Speaker 1: before we knew him with the pants. I went to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl exactly, he can't. He came in against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and beat a playoff bound Cowboy team. That
Speaker 1: was really kind of his coming up party that year.
Speaker 1: Who were you hoping to get drafted to the Browns?
Speaker 1: The Browns? This is this is like the that was
Speaker 1: was that the first year the Browns. They were back,
Speaker 1: and they take Tim Couch. Took Tim Couch exactly. So
Speaker 1: the first thing is is I wanted to be the
Speaker 1: first player because I thought I deserved it. Too, you
Speaker 1: were the best player in the draft, and too and too.
Speaker 1: I felt like just who I was and the way
Speaker 1: I played the game, it just fit well. Cleveland, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: like it's a grimy town, like they would appreciate, like
Speaker 1: Jim Brown was there exactly exactly. That was what I
Speaker 1: was hoping for. It didn't work out. And then my
Speaker 1: next My next was Indy because I thought it would
Speaker 1: have been cool to play with with Peyton. No, no, no no,
Speaker 1: My next was fit was was Philly, And because it
Speaker 1: was the quarterback of Philly, it wasn't McNab wasn't. That's
Speaker 1: who they drafted. So it was that year. So they
Speaker 1: drafted mcnapp. That was it was. It was number two
Speaker 1: that year. That was my second choice because Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: I just loved the West Coast offense. I think, I'm
Speaker 1: and it seems like you were right. He's been onto something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I love that offense. And then third was
Speaker 1: Indye played with Peyton and I got skipped past all
Speaker 1: those and ended up in New Orleans. We don't remember
Speaker 1: because if there's a lot of recent football fans who
Speaker 1: who think the Saints are this perennial powerhouse, I know,
Speaker 1: and when I was a kid, they were the worst.
Speaker 1: It was. I always thought of the Saints and the
Speaker 1: Bucks as the shittiest teams when I was a little kid.
Speaker 1: This is before the Bucks had like like you know
Speaker 1: up early nineties, mid nineties. Bucks were not good before
Speaker 1: Tony Dunge you got there. Yeah, I always just thought
Speaker 1: the Bucks and the fucking Saints like trash. So you
Speaker 1: go to the Saints. Mike Dicka was he like he
Speaker 1: seems like I've seen some of his interviews like recently,
Speaker 1: he seems like not the best, like funnest guy to
Speaker 1: play with or play for. Rather, how how was your guys'
Speaker 1: dynamic because so he that seems like an act, but
Speaker 1: but it's it's exactly the opposite it, you know, because
Speaker 1: there are some coaches who never played, no, and so
Speaker 1: I think sometimes they treat us like we're on a
Speaker 1: Madden game or we're chess pieces. But the coaches that played,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a real football guy. Yeah, they've been there,
Speaker 1: and so he's a hard ass on the outside. But
Speaker 1: but he's the most amazing, like coolest coach ever to
Speaker 1: play for because he's been there before, you know, So
Speaker 1: he yeah, So you know, our first preseason game my
Speaker 1: rookie year, we played in Miami and we were in Lacrosse,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin for our training camp, and so we played in
Speaker 1: Miami and then we flew back and curfew was at
Speaker 1: two o'clock, but we got in at like one, and
Speaker 1: so we only had like twenty minutes at the bar.
Speaker 1: So everyone ran to the bar and Dicker was in
Speaker 1: the bar too, and he looked at his watch and
Speaker 1: he said, curfew has moved back to four A, and
Speaker 1: so he got he was probably hammered as well. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course he was, but that's what I mean. He
Speaker 1: was one of he was one of us and so
Speaker 1: the guys go to war. They go to war for Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is It's like I said, it's interesting that they
Speaker 1: like when you got when you went there, did it
Speaker 1: feel like there was like you always hear about places
Speaker 1: have winning cultures, like places have losing cultures. You know,
Speaker 1: we hear New England and and you know Pittsburgh, certain
Speaker 1: franchises we always hear have that culture where things are expected,
Speaker 1: and then we hear about the other the opposite end,
Speaker 1: right Philly, right now, you know, like the Texans right now,
Speaker 1: when you got to New Orleans, did you feel like
Speaker 1: it was a losing culture. Yes, it felt like a
Speaker 1: losing culture. And I'll tell you and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Because the winning cultures. I think the best example is
Speaker 1: where the Patriots with Tom Brady is because there is
Speaker 1: a there is a certain standard, and everyone fit that.
Speaker 1: It was about that standard. It wasn't about one player,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about it was about the standard. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like they draft players to fit what they do,
Speaker 1: not who's best, not who's the name. Exactly. In New
Speaker 1: Orleans when I got there, they had a we had
Speaker 1: a lot of really good players. We had a lot
Speaker 1: of really good athletes and especially that first year. Who's
Speaker 1: your who was your guys's wide receivers that year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't have that many good receipts. Eddie Kennison, Andre Hastings,
Speaker 1: no idea exactly. Okay, fair enough, I played for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so so yeah, so but we had we had but
Speaker 1: those guys could fly, right, So we had athletes, but
Speaker 1: we didn't have a team. Right. So then when I
Speaker 1: came in, it wasn't like, let's rally around this rookie
Speaker 1: and maybe we can get to the playoffs. It was like,
Speaker 1: who does this guy think he is? You know, he's
Speaker 1: got to prove himself and and that's part of it,
Speaker 1: but but it just wasn't that that welcoming environment. And
Speaker 1: but converse, when I got traded to the Dolphins, they've
Speaker 1: been to the playoffs like for the past twelve years.
Speaker 1: I mean, it stopped when I got there, but it
Speaker 1: was a winning it was a winning environment, and when
Speaker 1: I got there, it was that feeling of Okay, Chad,
Speaker 1: Chad Pennington was still there when you got there, it
Speaker 1: was it was Jay Fiedler was right, It was right.
Speaker 1: No fielder Jay Feeley is a kicker, for the card.
Speaker 1: It was right after it was right after Marino retired,
Speaker 1: and then they brought they brought Jay. Tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, what like, tell me what happened with the
Speaker 1: running back in football? Because it went from being the
Speaker 1: running back was the most popular player when I was
Speaker 1: growing up. There's Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis and all these guys were the guys who
Speaker 1: you almost like, when you would play Madden, you would
Speaker 1: pick the best running back team, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because and somehow I feel like the NFL has made
Speaker 1: running backs very disposable. It's like, you know, it feels
Speaker 1: like they're the last guys to get paid when it's time.
Speaker 1: When it's time time comes up for them to get
Speaker 1: a contract, usually they'll it's that running back by committee
Speaker 1: is a thing. Now, what do you think happened with
Speaker 1: the position that because back then, when when you got drafted,
Speaker 1: it was they expected you to carry the offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a couple of and you know,
Speaker 1: my theory is the first thing is I think the
Speaker 1: nature of coaches changed. I think when you had the
Speaker 1: old school, like you know, Vince Lombardi style of the
Speaker 1: coach like Ditka right there, play defense and run the
Speaker 1: ball right, very conservative, smash mouth football. And then you
Speaker 1: started having you know, these intellectual, smart coaches like the
Speaker 1: guy Arizona right, and so they start scheming right, and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, and it's more fun to scheme a passing
Speaker 1: game and throwing the It's more exciting, right to scheme
Speaker 1: a passing game and throw and throwing the ball around
Speaker 1: than it is to scheme a run game and turn
Speaker 1: it in the hand the ball. That's part of it.
Speaker 1: The other part is running backs, especially the old way.
Speaker 1: You know, we took a pounding and it just you
Speaker 1: couldn't depend on a running back. You can't even think
Speaker 1: of like like when you said you had the balls
Speaker 1: carry about four hundred times and so yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: even think about it. Yeah, So so that doesn't last long.
Speaker 1: And also, I think running backs, even though I think
Speaker 1: it's the most skilled position because you have to be
Speaker 1: able to do a lot of different things, it's pretty
Speaker 1: easy to get to get running backs, and I think
Speaker 1: they learned you have to move him through because you
Speaker 1: can't just depend on one guy for too long, especially
Speaker 1: now with this this these fast offenses. And also I
Speaker 1: think a receiver, you know, a receiver has a good game.
Speaker 1: You know that's ten to an amazing game is ten?
Speaker 1: You know ten touches right, you touch exactly, And sometimes
Speaker 1: receivers will catch the ball and go out of balance.
Speaker 1: And so you can have a star receiver and pay
Speaker 1: him a lot of money and be feel confident he's
Speaker 1: going to stay healthy. But at a running back, you
Speaker 1: give him a lot of money and he's taking a
Speaker 1: pound you don't know. Well, you did a good job
Speaker 1: of of like I said, I feel like some people
Speaker 1: might have counted you out and then when you came
Speaker 1: back you were murdering shit. So you did a good
Speaker 1: job of like extending your peak. I guess right. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: we'll see someone like, you know, someone like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think, I feel like, you know, we saw it
Speaker 1: a little bit with Zeke this year, but you'll see
Speaker 1: somebody who is like David Johnson. Let's use guy on
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, right, David Johnson. I just remember had like
Speaker 1: the crazies season. He had some injuries, but when he
Speaker 1: came back, I feel like the drop off for running
Speaker 1: backs is quick and fast. Like, why do you think
Speaker 1: that is now, like, what do you notice because you
Speaker 1: did a good job of I feel like you came
Speaker 1: from the days where like most running backs had like
Speaker 1: nine ten years. You know, we think Emma Smith and
Speaker 1: Drome bettest time. Yeah. Now Jan Peters ap, now we
Speaker 1: see motherfucker's in there. They're in and out. They got
Speaker 1: three or four years, they get a contract and usually
Speaker 1: it's like you always hear the people always criticize the
Speaker 1: NFL teams when they give the running back the fat contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like have you not learned? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, because running back is such a
Speaker 1: difficult position because you know that if you're carrying the
Speaker 1: load every there's a target on you. You're going to
Speaker 1: get hit a lot, right, I think you know when
Speaker 1: you're hungry trying to get that check, it's easier once
Speaker 1: you get paid. It's human nature who reminds you of
Speaker 1: of the way you used to play. Now. Fournette, Leonard Fournette, Hey,
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see him with a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He did good to him so dirty in Jacksonville. He
Speaker 1: looked so good. But it was a wake up call
Speaker 1: for him and he responded and he responded, he looked,
Speaker 1: he looked really good. I was. I was impressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I I thought because I you know, when you
Speaker 1: look at the stats he had his last year with Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: it's like they just kind of just nobody wanted a
Speaker 1: trade for him. Like I feel like Tom Brady's putting
Speaker 1: together like you know, like kind of like like Pitts,
Speaker 1: you know, or the Patriots used to always take chances
Speaker 1: on players and if didn't work out, they just cut him.
Speaker 1: But you know, they brought out a sink over there.
Speaker 1: They brought what was the big fat dude who was
Speaker 1: on the Redskins that they took the overpaid lineman. Dude,
Speaker 1: he was offense or ship. He was on the Redskins.
Speaker 1: The Redskins paid him out and then I forget his name,
Speaker 1: big ass dude, defensive lineman. It was a defensive lineman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but Moss right because people people
Speaker 1: kind of cast him aside when he was with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: But I feel like Tom Brady's kind of doing that
Speaker 1: now in Tampa Bay. Yeah, it's just crazy. Like Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like he's picking it up.
Speaker 1: But I mean because there's there's nothing like experience. And
Speaker 1: if you can get people on the same page and
Speaker 1: they have experience, is there's no there's nothing that can
Speaker 1: beat that in the in the league, nothing. And it's
Speaker 1: it's probably the X factor of there's probably like maybe
Speaker 1: three or four players in the league that everyone respects. Yeah, exactly, right, Like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what we got you, You're Tom Brady. We
Speaker 1: know what, we know what we're here to do. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yo. When you were coming up,
Speaker 1: you worked with No Limit Sports. Yes, master P at
Speaker 1: the time was the hottest ship moving. Yes, I had
Speaker 1: a little fake No Limit chain when I was twelve.
Speaker 1: Like man, No Limit was insane for you know, for
Speaker 1: their run, and master P starting a sports agency was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I don't think I think
Speaker 1: the only other person who was doing somethingiwilar that was
Speaker 1: Jay Prince when he was doing boxing and and manager
Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather. Right, because this was before there was Rock
Speaker 1: Nation Sports all that. How did you link with master
Speaker 1: P outside of being in the same city. You know,
Speaker 1: you're in New Orleans. We ended up, I mean I
Speaker 1: linked up with them when I was in school in Austin.
Speaker 1: Still and and you know what typically what happens is
Speaker 1: agents have runners. You know, agents usually don't go after
Speaker 1: the players. They hire someone younger that can relate to
Speaker 1: the players, and they create the relationships and then they
Speaker 1: introduced you to the agent. And so Terry Terry, that
Speaker 1: was his runner. Yeah, that was his runner. And me
Speaker 1: and Terry were just cool. You know, we're just cool.
Speaker 1: And and you know, I just knew he was connected
Speaker 1: to No Limits Sports, and like you said, p was
Speaker 1: like was everything every everything, you know, especially me coming
Speaker 1: from southern California going to school in Texas and being
Speaker 1: just being introduced to that that whoay, it was. It
Speaker 1: was real, you know, fat Pat it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: So it was you know, mine expanding for me, and
Speaker 1: you know, No Limit was was was a big part
Speaker 1: of that. And so I had an agent because I
Speaker 1: was a baseball player. So I had an agent and
Speaker 1: I just thought I would keep that agent into football.
Speaker 1: But that relationship fell apart, and so I didn't have
Speaker 1: an agent. And then so all the like the normal
Speaker 1: dudes started coming at me, but they just felt like grimy.
Speaker 1: And so I thought about and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm at the top right now. He is at the
Speaker 1: top like this could be an amazing like partnership that
Speaker 1: really opens up people's minds to doing things differently, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't always have to go to that
Speaker 1: to that same guy that you know, can we can
Speaker 1: overlap the world? And so I, you know, I said,
Speaker 1: let's let's do this. And the contract that you that
Speaker 1: they negotiated for you was was was what did it
Speaker 1: end up? Not like did you ever regret making that decision?
Speaker 1: Of course? Of course, of course, of course, But you
Speaker 1: know it's it's not a negative regret. It that regret.
Speaker 1: Like I was young and naive and I had like
Speaker 1: these ideas, realistic ideas about what I wanted to do
Speaker 1: with my NFL career, and I don't regret that, you know.
Speaker 1: My I just remember growing up and hearing people complain
Speaker 1: about overpaid athletes, and I just didn't. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be different. And so what I told Pa and in Leland,
Speaker 1: my agent, is I said, here's what I want, you know,
Speaker 1: because I knew, you know, there's a there's a every
Speaker 1: team has a certain amount of money that they get
Speaker 1: in order to sign out. Well, it's a rookie salary, yep,
Speaker 1: and so and so I knew I was the only
Speaker 1: I was the only draft pick that year, and so
Speaker 1: I said, just give me the max of whatever that
Speaker 1: rookie salary cap number is, and then I'll make the
Speaker 1: minimum and make everything else be based off incentives. So
Speaker 1: it was sure I did have everything incentive. It was
Speaker 1: it was me and then and they tried to talk
Speaker 1: me out of it. They said, listen, you have all
Speaker 1: this leverage, and you have an opportunity, you know, to
Speaker 1: be the highest paid rookie ever in the history of
Speaker 1: the NFL, and you were I and I said, it
Speaker 1: didn't feel right. I mean I didn't feel right. I
Speaker 1: was young. I mean, looking back, I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: hell you know? But but it just didn't feel right
Speaker 1: to me at the time. You know, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to. It didn't feel right. I wanted to
Speaker 1: earn it. But and the one so what I regret
Speaker 1: is I didn't consider what if I get hurt and
Speaker 1: I can't play, And then my first preseason game I
Speaker 1: get a bad ankle SPRA and I ended up missing
Speaker 1: ten games my first two seasons, and so it backfired.
Speaker 1: But you know, once I got healthy, you know, I
Speaker 1: put up numbers where you know, hit those incentives? What what? What?
Speaker 1: When did you sign your second NFL contract? So I
Speaker 1: didn't sign my second well, technically I signed my second
Speaker 1: NFL contract. I did it because was the first contract
Speaker 1: was four years or eight years? Oh, seven years with
Speaker 1: the option seven. It was seven years with the option.
Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy, yeah, seven, because now that's not even
Speaker 1: an or. No, I mean, what's his name? A home
Speaker 1: just signed a ten year deal. Yeah, but usually for yeah,
Speaker 1: usually for a rookie, they take four or five five
Speaker 1: year deals because at four years, at four years, your
Speaker 1: you're a restricted free agent. But again, eight year deal,
Speaker 1: that's like that's piping ship in the last dance. But
Speaker 1: you know, but I was thinking, you know that, that's
Speaker 1: why we did the wedding. The wedding, the wedding, right
Speaker 1: right right, we're buried. You know, I was thinking, there,
Speaker 1: they traded traded everything for me, you know, like, let's
Speaker 1: do this. You know, I'm not messing around. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be hopping around from teams. Let's let's do this.
Speaker 1: And so but when I got traded to Miami, my agent,
Speaker 1: Lee Steinberg, my new agent, talked to the Dolphins and said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, you made this big trade to get him
Speaker 1: over here. You know, that's at least that's at least
Speaker 1: like switching around a little bit. So we talked about
Speaker 1: the incentives. And then I bawled out that year led
Speaker 1: the NFL and rushing and was able to you know,
Speaker 1: get back on track. So that was technically my second contract,
Speaker 1: but really it was just an addendum. So my first
Speaker 1: contract last. Still, it lasted all the way till I
Speaker 1: finally became a free agent and then I signed with
Speaker 1: the Day. That's crazy. So with the master P thing,
Speaker 1: you were around master P kind of in the peak
Speaker 1: of No Limit, right towards towards the Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: about the peak. Ninety nine was the peak. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: playing football in New Orleans, you had to be around
Speaker 1: some crazy shit. I was, you know, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: So they were their their compound, all their stuff was
Speaker 1: down in Baton Rouge, which was about sixty miles from
Speaker 1: from New Orleans. But yeah, I was down there and
Speaker 1: it was it was crazy. It was just so it
Speaker 1: was just so dynamic. You know, Like I was down
Speaker 1: there one time and they had signed this basketball player
Speaker 1: from the WNBA and she, you know, she would mess
Speaker 1: around on the on the beat machine and they were
Speaker 1: just messing around. They went in there and they recorded
Speaker 1: Hoo doy who like like just just just sitting out
Speaker 1: like in the studio like this hanging out and she
Speaker 1: just was messing around there like hey, let's go in
Speaker 1: the studio. And then dudes just showed up. They were
Speaker 1: in the studio all night and came out with us
Speaker 1: and the man that was my ship, he was off
Speaker 1: the True of the Game Ship, the True album. It
Speaker 1: was like that where it was the people coming together,
Speaker 1: like talking, getting the recordings. That's why they were putting
Speaker 1: out albums every two weeks. They were so many. Everybody
Speaker 1: had a fucking album. Wait, so who do you who?
Speaker 1: Was helped produced by a w NBA player? Yes, holy who?
Speaker 1: What do you know? I don't remember her name, but
Speaker 1: I mean that's fucking crazy. So it was live like that,
Speaker 1: and then you know they go to l s U
Speaker 1: down the road shoot basketball. It was and it felt
Speaker 1: like a family. It really felt like a family. Yes,
Speaker 1: he murdered. They're all brothers, you know. Yeah, that's crazy. Man.
Speaker 1: How long were you actually like how long was master
Speaker 1: P your agent? How long did it last? About a year?
Speaker 1: About a year and you realize like, ah, man, well
Speaker 1: the agency just started to it started to fall apart.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, and you know, kind of my
Speaker 1: fault because I think if I had taken their idea
Speaker 1: of the contract and become the highest paid player, that
Speaker 1: would have looked better for an agent. No, and I
Speaker 1: think it could have turned into something more. But we
Speaker 1: got so much negative publicity and negative media coverage that
Speaker 1: it wasn't the story. Wasn't you know, rebellious upstart you know,
Speaker 1: you know, pushes back against agents. It was look what
Speaker 1: these you know, look what happens when you hire a
Speaker 1: rapper to represent you, right, that's crazy. When you mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier you were a baseball player, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know you were drafted by that Phillies, right, And
Speaker 1: that was because you know, our guy in Arizona is
Speaker 1: one of those guys. You know. I'm just I'm afraid
Speaker 1: Kyler Burdys to go funk around and want to play
Speaker 1: for the Oakland A's one day and then we're fucked.
Speaker 1: Then we got I don't know who, but he's not
Speaker 1: I hope not. But I like being a too two
Speaker 1: sport athlete. Like how like did you ever take getting
Speaker 1: back into baseball serious at any point in time. This
Speaker 1: is a great question. I did. I did so growing
Speaker 1: up in San Diego. It was big, big Tony Grin fan,
Speaker 1: and I always thought since I was a kid, I'll
Speaker 1: be a professional way because I felt like he looks
Speaker 1: like every other guy in the world and he was
Speaker 1: just a fucking hit anyway. Continue, so I always thought
Speaker 1: i'd be a professional baseball player. Started playing when I
Speaker 1: was second grade. Didn't start playing football until I was
Speaker 1: in seventh grade, but started playing football baseball was about
Speaker 1: the same high school, I started to take off in
Speaker 1: as far as football, but I still had a dream
Speaker 1: to play baseball. And so my senior year colleges, junior
Speaker 1: year colleges were looking at me. Major League baseball teams,
Speaker 1: you're looking at me. And I told all the colleges
Speaker 1: I'm playing I'm playing minor league baseball. I don't care.
Speaker 1: And then I told all the baseball teams, I'm playing
Speaker 1: college football. I don't care. And they both were like cool.
Speaker 1: And so I was drafted by the Phillies and I
Speaker 1: went to Texas to play football. And so what I
Speaker 1: did is in the summers after after school, I would
Speaker 1: drive my car to Florida to Clearwater where the Phillies
Speaker 1: I used to live in Tampa leve me some clearwater.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, So we go to clearmonter
Speaker 1: and I would do like I get in baseball shape,
Speaker 1: and then they would send me. I played in North
Speaker 1: Carolina for two years, played in Virginia, and then I
Speaker 1: played in upstate New York for a year for a summer,
Speaker 1: and I played baseball all summer, and then at the
Speaker 1: end of the summer, I'd go back and start football
Speaker 1: training camp. And so when I got to the Combine
Speaker 1: NFL Combine after my senior year, all the NFL teams
Speaker 1: said you got to choose either baseball or football. And
Speaker 1: I was much better at football, and so I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give up baseball. And then after my
Speaker 1: second year, after my second year in New Orleans, first
Speaker 1: year again, I told you, I met ten games. So
Speaker 1: I was starting to think, fuck this shit, man, we
Speaker 1: might have to go play baseball. I had to go
Speaker 1: play baseball. And so I rented a spot down in
Speaker 1: South Mission Beach in San Diego, and I called up
Speaker 1: my old baseball coach from high school, and I said
Speaker 1: you know, can you get me back into baseball shape?
Speaker 1: And so I called up my old baseball agent. I
Speaker 1: started like reaching out to baseball teams, but my strength
Speaker 1: coach from the Saints called me up and convinced me
Speaker 1: to come back to play football. So when you said
Speaker 1: baseball shape, what's the difference between baseball shape and football shape,
Speaker 1: it's about twenty pounds. It's about twenty pounds, and it's
Speaker 1: about twenty pounds of muscle. Is really so I would
Speaker 1: you know? I I in college football. You got to
Speaker 1: lift a lot of You lift weights a lot, right, So,
Speaker 1: and I'm the kind of person I lift weights. First
Speaker 1: time I ever lifted weights when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: I had stretch marks the next morning. So I live waits.
Speaker 1: I get swollen. And so when I was an instant
Speaker 1: results exactly. So when I was in college, you know,
Speaker 1: I would be I'd be swollen. I leave to play baseball,
Speaker 1: and I'd come back skinny and fast, because you know,
Speaker 1: baseball it's hot, first of all, it's hot in the summer,
Speaker 1: and just throwing the ball all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: the bulking the shoulders and swinging the bat, I would
Speaker 1: get I get down and be in great shape when
Speaker 1: when the football season started. That's crazy. We think about
Speaker 1: all the all the players who could have like Benure,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray obviously, Deon Sanders, Bo Jackson. You probably was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the next boat Jackson out this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: That was my idol. That was my That's why I
Speaker 1: wore thirty four. That's crazy, want to be the next
Speaker 1: bow Jackson. Yeah, you played four years in college, which
Speaker 1: is something else that nobody does anymore. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you still went on to have a long career. But
Speaker 1: by the time you got out of college, like playing
Speaker 1: that much, I mean at a high level, the highest level, Like,
Speaker 1: did you feel like your body was already kind of
Speaker 1: beat down a bit looking back? Hell yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think in the time, it just was so excited and
Speaker 1: I found invincible. I wasn't even really thinking about my
Speaker 1: body like that, you know. And you asked about regrets,
Speaker 1: and and that's one regret I do have, is that,
Speaker 1: And it's it's crazy, but I think I would have
Speaker 1: I should have done it. Is I should have taken
Speaker 1: a year off, you know, after after college, after college,
Speaker 1: because NFL wasn't going anywhere. I would still be in
Speaker 1: my early twenties. But I think having a year off
Speaker 1: to travel and just you know, get my mind off
Speaker 1: of something else. I think it would it would have
Speaker 1: served me. It would serve me. Well, I have to
Speaker 1: ask this question because my friend is a big U. C.
Speaker 1: L A fan. That's what I was gonna be talking
Speaker 1: to you. So he said, ask him about the time
Speaker 1: we beat them sixty sixty three or something like. It
Speaker 1: was something crazy. Do you remember this game? It was?
Speaker 1: It was so I mean it was two years in
Speaker 1: a row, you know, because in college I do the
Speaker 1: home and away series, and so we started off. It
Speaker 1: was my junior year. We started off ran like number
Speaker 1: eight eight, and we won our first game, and they
Speaker 1: were coming in they lost to Tennessee, and they came
Speaker 1: in and we were, you know, cocky, thinking we're gonna
Speaker 1: run all over them. I mean, they beat the piss
Speaker 1: out of us. It was one of those games where
Speaker 1: it just it was like I felt like I was
Speaker 1: in a nightmare. I mean, cade mcdown, It was like
Speaker 1: the cade mcdown show. That dude is I mean that
Speaker 1: day and even the next year, how many fucking mcnown's
Speaker 1: are there. That's there's mccowns and mcnowell. Okay, yeah, but
Speaker 1: cade McNown was, that's the best college quarterback I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in person. He he tore us, He tore us
Speaker 1: to pieces. It was nasty. I mean, it just was
Speaker 1: like it just kept going going. Who's the best NFL
Speaker 1: quarterback you ever played against? When you saw him with
Speaker 1: your own eyes and you were like, God, damn, I
Speaker 1: feel like everyone feels that way about my homes now.
Speaker 1: Like some of these throws, even when he was getting
Speaker 1: shit kicked out of him, you know, planking across the field.
Speaker 1: I mean that yeah, that shit. That was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the next level. But like when you were playing,
Speaker 1: who did you see in person? That just were you?
Speaker 1: You just mail and it was part of it. Part
Speaker 1: of it were the throws, but just how you know,
Speaker 1: he'll walk up to the huddle and whatever the defense
Speaker 1: is doing, right, he'll just call it out. He's doing that,
Speaker 1: he's doing that, he's doing that. Okay, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this, and then just go And there's
Speaker 1: when he's when he was on and then you look
Speaker 1: over it and you got fucking j Fielder and you're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: we're fucked. We're fucked boys. It's as we were running
Speaker 1: the fucking wild cat. There is no quarterback on the
Speaker 1: fucking field. I mean honestly, that's that's the feeling when
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is on, that's the feeling. And there's nothing,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like what are we gonna do? Nothing you
Speaker 1: can do? Is we got an intro? Yeah? We got
Speaker 1: and he gets rid of the ball. He got rid
Speaker 1: of the ball so fast it was nothing you could do. Man,
Speaker 1: what would have happened if they would have got Edred
Speaker 1: and James and you were fucking if you and Peyton
Speaker 1: Manny would have played together, No, I mean, Jesus correct.
Speaker 1: It would have been fun. It would have been fun.
Speaker 1: I would have been insane when you when you were like,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever I feel like, uh, you're as high
Speaker 1: caliber of a college football player were, especially your last year, right,
Speaker 1: pros reach out when you kind of have a feeling
Speaker 1: when you might get drafted places, sometimes players on that
Speaker 1: team will reach out and try to connect with you early.
Speaker 1: Did anybody of notability do that to you when you
Speaker 1: were obviously coming out and to go in the NFL? Hmm? No,
Speaker 1: And you know, usually especially if you're coming out of
Speaker 1: college usually as guys that you played with in college
Speaker 1: rather than on a team. And so the couple of
Speaker 1: guys that I knew in the league, they weren't on
Speaker 1: teams that were you know, that were that would have drafted,
Speaker 1: that would have drafted me. So so no, but you know,
Speaker 1: I got close with Marshall Fault because he went to
Speaker 1: San Diego State. I grew up in San Diego and
Speaker 1: he was in college when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: and so we we kind of bumped into each other.
Speaker 1: And he had just been traded from Indie to Saint
Speaker 1: Louis because Saint Louis had that they had that pick,
Speaker 1: and I was I had visited with Saint Louis and
Speaker 1: then they made that trade Marshall for the draft, and
Speaker 1: then you could have been playing with the greatest exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But in that style of offense, though, I just I
Speaker 1: really liked that. And I think people looked at me
Speaker 1: because the Texas we ran the eye more so people
Speaker 1: just assumed that I was I running back. But I
Speaker 1: consider myself exactly I can do everything, and so I
Speaker 1: think I got pigeonholed a little bit. And when this
Speaker 1: when the Colts thought about Peyton Manning and the shotgun
Speaker 1: all the time single back. It was closer to what
Speaker 1: Eddern did at Miami, and so he was he was
Speaker 1: a better fit in there. So who's the craziest guy
Speaker 1: you've played with? And that could be crazy like this
Speaker 1: guy's a good time or or crazy like this guy
Speaker 1: will fucking take your face off if we're not do
Speaker 1: another another be the good time guy, and then the
Speaker 1: crazy guy like you want to have behind you at
Speaker 1: the bar when you're about to get into a fight.
Speaker 1: Another another Sun Devils. Do you name one of my
Speaker 1: best friends in the league, Terrell Smith. He played fullback
Speaker 1: with me in New Orleans and he just was crazy
Speaker 1: for I mean, being fullback in the NFL, you gotta
Speaker 1: be crazy, especially back then when the fullbacks were a thing,
Speaker 1: especially when when with Coach Dicker, I mean in the
Speaker 1: kind of offensive here running and so Terrell would, I mean,
Speaker 1: he just was. He gotta get himself so geeked up
Speaker 1: that sometimes you know, he have to do push ups
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game just to like calm
Speaker 1: himself down a little bit. When you say geeked up,
Speaker 1: like the kids mean that, what do you mean by
Speaker 1: geeked up? Even do it on I mean he was
Speaker 1: on some ship. Well it was you on there, Michael Irving.
Speaker 1: So no, no, okay, just but but but they they did.
Speaker 1: So this was this was back in the day before
Speaker 1: Federa was out, was banned, and so hydroxy cut they
Speaker 1: had this ripped fuel. They had these and you would
Speaker 1: take that. It was like taking meth. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And so T was on that. He was on that
Speaker 1: just he tried. He tried to give me something sometime
Speaker 1: and we were I remember we were playing the Panthers
Speaker 1: and it was in our quarterback through an interception, and
Speaker 1: I remember which quarterback was put him on blast. It
Speaker 1: was it was probably Aaron Brooks. Was he number two?
Speaker 1: Number two? It pick yeah, And and I was so
Speaker 1: like he hopped up on this that I like, I ran,
Speaker 1: I ran to try to, you know, make the tackle
Speaker 1: full speed and I missed him and I got back
Speaker 1: up and I chased him down like thirty yards and
Speaker 1: I finally made the tackles like that that d yes.
Speaker 1: But I was so hopped up. I had to go
Speaker 1: and I had to go in the in the in
Speaker 1: the in the locker room for like twenty minutes just
Speaker 1: to like calm down. I was my heart was beating
Speaker 1: so fast. That stuff is dangerous. So he would be
Speaker 1: on that, and that just made it worse. Everybody was
Speaker 1: probably on everybody was on that. Yeah, Yeah, that's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Was everybody was, was like, because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in an era where things have swayed for weed
Speaker 1: because I don't they took it out of like they
Speaker 1: can't test for it anymore, right, but they don't. They
Speaker 1: don't suspend players anymore. But recreationally, weed is widely accepted now.
Speaker 1: I think recreationally there's a bunch of drugs that are
Speaker 1: probably not as big as they were. But when you
Speaker 1: were we always hear about the nineties and like we
Speaker 1: watched movies like The Last Boy Scout and and you know,
Speaker 1: and like all these players just fucking snort coke and
Speaker 1: fucking bitches and doing steroids, and like was that like
Speaker 1: the like was was the because you you played through
Speaker 1: kind of two errors low key? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Did you feel the vibe? Like was that the vibe ever?
Speaker 1: Like when you got into the league as far as
Speaker 1: just like some guys were just fucking shooting up in
Speaker 1: their ass. Pause you know what I'm saying, And just
Speaker 1: like and you were a pretty fucking big dude yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like was that something that was more widely like
Speaker 1: like it's it's just going on. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I got in the league in very late nine, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, it was at the very end of I
Speaker 1: think when that was more wide spread. I think the
Speaker 1: heyday of that was Yeah, those Dallas Cowboy Michael Irvin days.
Speaker 1: But but I think, you know, it's it's a couple
Speaker 1: of things. One is, every team is an ecosystem. You know,
Speaker 1: every team is an ecosystem. Some teams are chill and
Speaker 1: some teams, you know, they just they have fun, right.
Speaker 1: So and then you usually have a player like Michael Irvin,
Speaker 1: you know, who is an animated player, who's you know,
Speaker 1: who wants to have a good time. And football is
Speaker 1: a very stressful job. And if we all need a
Speaker 1: way to find and release and so I think we're
Speaker 1: intense kind of people. And so yes, sometimes football players
Speaker 1: get together, they can get carried away. But in a
Speaker 1: healthy sense, we all we got to release. We gotta
Speaker 1: release that stress somehow. Let me ask you this, out
Speaker 1: of all the sports I DJ do nightclubs do strip
Speaker 1: clubs do all this? Right? I feel like at every
Speaker 1: sport it's for other fucking NFL players everywhere, Right, It's like,
Speaker 1: no matter where I'm DJing, it's like, yo, the car,
Speaker 1: Like we got four Cardinals over here randomly, the fucking
Speaker 1: rams are in the building. Like what it's not it's
Speaker 1: not even football season. What are they fucking doing in Scottsdale? Like,
Speaker 1: what is happening? Yes, it's in my tripping though. So
Speaker 1: so if you do the math right, there's more players.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more players, right, there's a lot more players,
Speaker 1: a lot more players. There's you know, fifty two roster
Speaker 1: and then you know seven or eight guys, and most
Speaker 1: of those guys we have no idea what the fuck
Speaker 1: they look like exactly. Yeah, we might recognize their name
Speaker 1: from you know, right if you hear the names, I've
Speaker 1: seen he's got a fucking halbut on every time I
Speaker 1: see him, exactly. But it's just it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of dudes. You know, there's a lot you have a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, you have a lot of guys that play
Speaker 1: for a year, play for two years on the practice squad,
Speaker 1: and they're in the NFL you know, or technically just
Speaker 1: got cut and they're just free agent, you know, way
Speaker 1: to get picked up. They're in the NFL. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy funny. What do you you know, what's your
Speaker 1: involvement in the in the weed game now? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you're when we think of athletes
Speaker 1: and and celebrities who have you know, I associate you
Speaker 1: with being Ricky Williams, the hippie who smokes weed and
Speaker 1: fox dudes up on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's me.
Speaker 1: And and that's really what I'm working on is you know,
Speaker 1: thinking back when I was a kid, and and you know,
Speaker 1: the potheads and the and the jocks and the athletes
Speaker 1: the stoners are the same guy. They didn't hang out, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't hang out because that's that was the time
Speaker 1: we live in. And as I you know, matured and grew,
Speaker 1: you know, I realized that I was a jock and
Speaker 1: I was a stoner and they were separated. And so
Speaker 1: for me, it was work on trying to bring him together.
Speaker 1: And so I'm launching a brand on four twenty I
Speaker 1: called the Heisman h I G H S m An
Speaker 1: And it's and it's really the bringing sports and can
Speaker 1: of together. And so this is going to be a
Speaker 1: like marijuana. It's gonna be, it was gonna be. It's
Speaker 1: a lifestyle, but it's a cannabis lifestyle. Okay. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like clothing lines merch exactly. They'll even be
Speaker 1: Heisman houses. So, uh, sports, we got to get you
Speaker 1: your own strain bro exactly what we're working on it
Speaker 1: right now. So so yeah, I'm gonna get you hooked
Speaker 1: up with Burner over at Cookies. Man. I mean, Cookies
Speaker 1: is doing it, is doing it right. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Cookies is a great example of of Garry Peyton's selling
Speaker 1: a lot of weed with them. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of weeds trying to get my picture on a little bag,
Speaker 1: a little bag and come on, man, make it happen.
Speaker 1: I'll call I will FaceTime Burner right now after we
Speaker 1: get off this. When you moved to Austin's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite cities. I used to do south By Southwest
Speaker 1: out there every year. I used to throw shows and
Speaker 1: do all that. But it was like one of the cities.
Speaker 1: When I first went there, I had no idea what
Speaker 1: to expect, and when I got there, I just fell
Speaker 1: in love. It's like his own vibe. It's you know,
Speaker 1: I always, you know, explain to people from where I'm from.
Speaker 1: It's like Mill Avenue and Tempe, but like Times twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: sixth Street, it's fucking crazy. But it's a liberal city
Speaker 1: in a red state. Was it always like? Was it
Speaker 1: always kind of that? Like? And when you went there,
Speaker 1: how did you like Austin? Like? How because you came
Speaker 1: from San Diego, which is its own thing as well,
Speaker 1: people go to San Diego, La two different vibes. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So I mean I had a very similar experience. So
Speaker 1: I went on my recruiting trip to Austin, and I
Speaker 1: never really been out of California, so I thought, you know, Texas.
Speaker 1: I thought there'd be like tumbleweed down on the airport,
Speaker 1: and so Austin's a beautiful city. So flying in over
Speaker 1: the lakes and stuff, I was like wow. And it
Speaker 1: was December and it was seventy two degrees. I remember
Speaker 1: I landed and I just and I fell in love
Speaker 1: probably within the first two hours I was in Austin,
Speaker 1: and it was much smaller. I think it was about
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand people, and it was really just the
Speaker 1: capital and the Texas University and that was it, and
Speaker 1: especially in the summertime, there was nobody there, but it
Speaker 1: was always liberal. You know, uh Billy Nelson uh has
Speaker 1: a has a statue there, and you know, he's an
Speaker 1: icon in Austin. So it was always more more liberal
Speaker 1: than especially than Dallas and Houston. But you know, as
Speaker 1: it's grown and it's grown crazy, it's crazy. And then
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan just moved. I memory's fucking everybody moving there.
Speaker 1: No state taxes, I mean no state Yeah. Me and
Speaker 1: Freddy Gibbs were out there like two weeks ago for
Speaker 1: a few days and we were going to comedy shows
Speaker 1: and it was just like it was. It's crazy though,
Speaker 1: the homeless shit downtown kind of looks like parts of
Speaker 1: l It's getting bad in Austin right now, is man.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck I was getting ben
Speaker 1: since like twenty seventeen, I'm like, where are all these
Speaker 1: fucking homost people? Liberal mayor somethelling you liberal may. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy because like there's a such thing as being
Speaker 1: too liberal. Yeah, we were because I'm a fucking Democrat.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm independent, but I've always voted Democrat. But
Speaker 1: I was someone who really liked Bernie Sanders a lot
Speaker 1: when he was running, you know. But there is a
Speaker 1: such thing as just being too liberal. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's what's happening here. It's happening in Austin.
Speaker 1: It's happening in Austin too. Yeah, because there's that area
Speaker 1: at the end of sixth Street before there's the other
Speaker 1: side of sixth Street where there's like the parking lot
Speaker 1: with the bridge like you could and it's all homeless tents.
Speaker 1: And I was like, ah, hell no, Like we used
Speaker 1: to walk from one side. There was this thing called
Speaker 1: favor for it. We'd just walk over that, like under
Speaker 1: that bridge, like all homeless people, I'm telling you. And also,
Speaker 1: I mean I was like dank when I saw like
Speaker 1: the homeless people in their tents, they're starting to hang art.
Speaker 1: They're starting to hang artwork. That's the way it is
Speaker 1: out here. Maam, you're in fucking Venice. You live in Venice. Yes.
Speaker 1: I rode my bike through Venice last week and it
Speaker 1: was the first time I've been there in probably two years,
Speaker 1: and I was blown away by how like the handball
Speaker 1: court people just turned them into apartments, like like like
Speaker 1: you said, like, you'll walk by some of these fucking
Speaker 1: la homeless tents and they're better than some of the
Speaker 1: apartments that some of these studios motherfuckers are rinting out here. COVID,
Speaker 1: you know, COVID people abandoned, you know, people weren't visiting
Speaker 1: Venice as much, and then homeless people just just I
Speaker 1: was sitting there and there was like five or six
Speaker 1: tents set up on like a part of the little
Speaker 1: hill in front of the beach in Venice, and I
Speaker 1: was like, these motherfuckers have beachfront property and they're paying
Speaker 1: zero dollars. Now I don't know where they're taking a
Speaker 1: shit and shower and every day that's different, right, because
Speaker 1: that's where things get a little dicey. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: these homeless motherfuckers wake up every day on the beach.
Speaker 1: That's the best. That's the best. Homeless. Like, if I
Speaker 1: was homeless, that's what you'd want to be. If I
Speaker 1: was homeless, exactly, That's exactly where I would be, do
Speaker 1: you Like, you know, I've seen some people who live
Speaker 1: in Venice who are very specifically with that area. Because
Speaker 1: it's so expensive to live over there, a lot of
Speaker 1: people have worked their entire life to be able to
Speaker 1: afford to live in a place like Venice Beach. But
Speaker 1: now it's like you walk outside, you might step in
Speaker 1: hum and ship. Yeah, has it kind of like like
Speaker 1: made you reevaluate maybe being over there? Is it frustrating?
Speaker 1: So so when I when I first moved to Venice,
Speaker 1: I was right next to Santa Monica and and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of homeless people walking around, and there's for
Speaker 1: the record, there's always been homeless people, but by Venice Beach.
Speaker 1: But it's something else. It's yeah, it's it's some other shit.
Speaker 1: It's more. It usould just be one or two blocks
Speaker 1: and now it's it's it's more. But I'm lucky where
Speaker 1: I live is like a little like gated community, and
Speaker 1: so I'm good where I live. But I can see
Speaker 1: the people that you know, paying you know, almost two
Speaker 1: million dollars for it be fucking sick square foot home.
Speaker 1: And you walk outside and there's sixty year old dude
Speaker 1: shooting up and taking a ship outside, I'd be pissed off.
Speaker 1: Oh it's terrible. Why'd you leave us? Like why not
Speaker 1: living in San Diego? The truth is there's there's just
Speaker 1: more going on up here. That's fair. There's just and
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was talking to a friend
Speaker 1: that I was driving up here, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's just surreal to me. It's just surreal living living
Speaker 1: in LA because just like having this converse walking into
Speaker 1: a walking into a studio and someone saying, hey, I
Speaker 1: got some we've It's just it's just surreal. And there's
Speaker 1: some of that in San Diego. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: not like I go to San Diego a lot, and
Speaker 1: even the weed thing, it doesn't feel like it's like
Speaker 1: a like out here. It's like it's like a culture,
Speaker 1: like everyone's walking around small San Diego hasn't gotten there yet. Yes,
Speaker 1: even though you know it's recreational, you can get the
Speaker 1: little like, but it's not the same. It's definitely. I
Speaker 1: love Ocean Beach though. That's my I like the hippie
Speaker 1: beach man. I love Ocean. It's my favorite beach. That's
Speaker 1: the spot on the West coast that's one of the
Speaker 1: unknown spots. That's because when I was a kid, my
Speaker 1: cousin worked at Sea World. He was like a line chef,
Speaker 1: and I was so poor when I was little, we
Speaker 1: never could go. I never went to any theme park
Speaker 1: in my life. We only went there because he gets
Speaker 1: free tickets. So, uh, my aunt had this ratchet ass apartment.
Speaker 1: What was the name of the street it was. It
Speaker 1: was in the fucking trap though, My god, it was
Speaker 1: like really bad. But then we'd go to Ocean Beach
Speaker 1: every summer for like three years. We would go to
Speaker 1: Ocean Beach and they had this fucking the Dog Beach,
Speaker 1: you know, I love dogs. And then they got these
Speaker 1: they had this place at these big ass slices of
Speaker 1: pizza and there's that smoke shop, the black there. I
Speaker 1: used to go buy my fucking black light posters from
Speaker 1: there and take them back to Arizona. They have the
Speaker 1: ill posters at that spot. Yeah. I fucking love San Diego.
Speaker 1: That's the hippie beach, though, I feel like you go
Speaker 1: to the other beaches, it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: it's not a you know, I like around everyday people,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, especially like La Joya,
Speaker 1: so up, diddies, It's like, yeah, it's crazy, do you
Speaker 1: think as obviously I keep growing up in San Diego.
Speaker 1: When the Chargers came to La like that, that had
Speaker 1: to be heartbreaking. Man, I can't even imagine, like growing
Speaker 1: up and that's your team, and then it moves stuff
Speaker 1: because you know, when I when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: the Raiders were Raiders were in LA and the Rams
Speaker 1: were in l A, and and so San Diego we
Speaker 1: were Raider haters. You know, we hated the Raiders and
Speaker 1: we hated LA. You know, even Padres hated the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: And so when the Raiders went to Oakland, you know,
Speaker 1: we could still not like them. But it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't the same. There's a real rivalry between Santo and LA.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the same. It wasn't the same. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the same. And then the last straw was when LA
Speaker 1: chargers like that. Yeah, I can only imagine it be
Speaker 1: like Arizona. We have that same relationship with LA. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like beat fuck the Lakers, beat
Speaker 1: the Lakers, beat the Dodgers, et cetera. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: moved out here and I started to do radio out here,
Speaker 1: and they told me you might want to start wearing
Speaker 1: a Dodgers hat, I'm like, you know what, I can
Speaker 1: do that because I don't care about baseball, but I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that with football or basketball, you'll never see me.
Speaker 1: And I love Lebron, you know, but I'm not. I
Speaker 1: can't wear anything that those Lakers on it. It's not
Speaker 1: in my it's not in my nature. Man, it's so
Speaker 1: so the Suns, you know on uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: played two K every once in a while. My favorite team,
Speaker 1: which is the six Sons with Steve richardson Mary. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's my squad. And what's crazy is Barbosa. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: crazy because like it's not even like there's players off
Speaker 1: that bench that I don't know why they didn't make them,
Speaker 1: because the bench, you know what's crazy about those old
Speaker 1: ass teams on two K is the most Like the
Speaker 1: players on the bench are just made up players, made
Speaker 1: up players. Yes, yeah, it's like, fuck, man, where's you know,
Speaker 1: where the fuck is Tim Thomas on the bench? You know?
Speaker 1: Or yeah, what's your in your opinion, the best game
Speaker 1: you ever played? Mm ah, probably the probably the game
Speaker 1: actually my my freshman year in college. Freshman year in college,
Speaker 1: we were playing Texas A and M, and back then
Speaker 1: they had the best defense in the country and I
Speaker 1: was a freshman fullback and I was scared. I was scared.
Speaker 1: And I remember it was like the first end of
Speaker 1: the first quarter. They ran a blitz and we ran
Speaker 1: a draw play and they kind of ran themselves out
Speaker 1: of the play and I just broke up the sideline
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. And I was so like so shocked
Speaker 1: that I had a nice play. And I ended up
Speaker 1: finishing the game with one hundred and sixty five yards
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns and we we beat them and in
Speaker 1: the conference championship. That's crazy. So that just as a
Speaker 1: freshman showing up against the you know, sixty yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: what's what's your what was your career high in the
Speaker 1: in the NFL when it came to yards, like in
Speaker 1: a game, you know, two twenty three. I think I'm
Speaker 1: one of only four players I have back to back
Speaker 1: two hundred yard games. I think I had two twenty
Speaker 1: three against Buffalo. Then I had to sixteen the next
Speaker 1: week against Chicago. Jesus Christy, I was, I was, I
Speaker 1: was on one. I was he was on that fucking
Speaker 1: hydroxy catch ship. Waitit wait wait wait wait wait's was
Speaker 1: that what? The dolphins of the Dolphins? Yeah, fuck Dolphins.
Speaker 1: The defensive players that scared you. Okay, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: John Lynch, a little bit safety for the for the
Speaker 1: GM of the Yes, yeah, exactly, Ray Lewis. I mean
Speaker 1: I remember my my rookie year we played him. I
Speaker 1: was hurt, but I was I was glad. I was
Speaker 1: hurt that game because he just is so smart and
Speaker 1: so fast and and and so girthy, like when he
Speaker 1: hits you. I mean he was all over the field
Speaker 1: and when he hits you it hurts so so he
Speaker 1: was one he's laughing about girthy. He was sick. Fuck. Sorry, continue,
Speaker 1: I guessn't say the mind always, the mind always goes there.
Speaker 1: Who else? Yeah, that's it? You know. You know there's
Speaker 1: there's two two players both played for the Patriots who
Speaker 1: I had like battles with. I wasn't I wasn't intimidated,
Speaker 1: but they would come hit you, Rodney Harrison uh and
Speaker 1: Lawyer Malloy, but mainly safety. So every every Wednesday when
Speaker 1: we would get our scouting report, and the first thing
Speaker 1: I would do is I'd look to see how how
Speaker 1: much the safeties weighed. That's how I knew what kind
Speaker 1: of week it was going to be. If they were
Speaker 1: two ten and under, you're going to destroy him. I
Speaker 1: got you. I got him? Are the two twenty safeties?
Speaker 1: You know? I got you? Gotta get your mind right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because what Rodney Harrison? And when you were in that division?
Speaker 1: When did Patriots win their first Super Bowl? One oh one?
Speaker 1: So you were in the division? We already in No
Speaker 1: you you got there? No two? I got there. Two.
Speaker 1: We played him in one when I was in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: but I got there to Miami and O two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you played him, was was it Brady or bled Cell?
Speaker 1: It was Brady? Ah, that's crazy. Do you remember, like
Speaker 1: like at the time that we didn't know that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was going to be Tom Brady. But it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, two thousand and one, no one knew.
Speaker 1: I think nobody knew. That might have been one of
Speaker 1: the first games nobody knew. And he's like, he shredded
Speaker 1: us because in New Orleans we had a really good defense.
Speaker 1: He's like, we went up there, he shredded us, and
Speaker 1: so every everyone was taking note. But nobody knew, nobody
Speaker 1: knew what was coming. That's crazy. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: had to play him twice a year after that. I
Speaker 1: used to love playing I hated him playing them, and
Speaker 1: I love playing them. I loved it because of the competition,
Speaker 1: but I hated it because they were always ready. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because we always hear about Bill Belichick being
Speaker 1: this defensive mind, so he had to defend you for
Speaker 1: however many years? Is it all true? Was it was? It?
Speaker 1: Is it the coaching? Is it the players? It's it's
Speaker 1: mainly the coaching, And a lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with scouting. For instance. They like how they watched
Speaker 1: film and the scouting team right that they had this
Speaker 1: note that whenever I adjusted my gloves and then it
Speaker 1: was going to be a running play. So so every
Speaker 1: every little queue, every little queue they could find, they
Speaker 1: give it to the defensive players. And so a lot
Speaker 1: of the times you playing the Patriots and they're calling
Speaker 1: out to play before before, and was that true? It's true?
Speaker 1: So every time you just but but I mean it
Speaker 1: wasn't true one hundred percent of the time, but the
Speaker 1: enough time enough times where yeah, you get ahead start,
Speaker 1: you know, and we ran the ball so much that
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. But but yeah, so and the you know,
Speaker 1: we played them in two thousand and nine, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, the Wildcat Game, and it was the opposite
Speaker 1: because they had never seen the wildcat, so they couldn't
Speaker 1: prepare for it, and they didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: They were running into each other, arguing on the sidelines
Speaker 1: and we it felt so good to whoop them up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when ya were doing the Wildcat, it was you and
Speaker 1: Ronnie Brown. And at the time I don't recall there
Speaker 1: being a better one two punch when you really because
Speaker 1: Ronnie Brown was a fucking monster. Yeah. The Cowboys they
Speaker 1: had Marion Barber and oh and Barber and the other guy.
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about, Thomas Jones. Thomas was it
Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas Jones, Felix Jones, Jones, Clix Jones, and Marion Barber. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But but but the Wildcat, I want to say, you
Speaker 1: guys are first. At least I'm a pretty big football fan.
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw anyone do it before you. Well,
Speaker 1: just before we did it. Our offensive coordinator quarterbacks coach
Speaker 1: David Lee was at Arkansas and Felix Jones and uh
Speaker 1: uh uh McFadden they ran it at Arkansas year Fadden. Wow.
Speaker 1: So when when you guys decided to do it in
Speaker 1: the NFL, are you thinking like this is fucking crazy?
Speaker 1: We're gonna get ate up were this is. I was
Speaker 1: like this, I was like this high school high school bullshit.
Speaker 1: But then we started off hing two and then we
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we gotta try some ship. Try we
Speaker 1: gotta try some ship. And so we we we put
Speaker 1: it in against the Patriots that first game, and Ronnie
Speaker 1: had like, you know, had a sixty yard had one
Speaker 1: twenty through for a touchdown. I had like almost one
Speaker 1: hundred yards Russian and and we ended up making the
Speaker 1: playoffs that year. So it was really was it that
Speaker 1: wasn't Brandon Marshall was in. It wasn't there yet, right?
Speaker 1: He came the year after the did you play with him?
Speaker 1: I did? How was he as a as a as
Speaker 1: a dude? Man? Because I think he's one of those
Speaker 1: wide wide receivers who don't get enough praise for the
Speaker 1: career he's had. Because man, I remember when I was
Speaker 1: like twenty something catches in a game. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you just send it next to him,
Speaker 1: he's a he's he's he's like a lot. He's like
Speaker 1: a lot of defensive end. That's how big he is.
Speaker 1: And great athlete, a great teammate, And I think I
Speaker 1: got him later in his career where he was starting
Speaker 1: to fire it out and kind of mature a little bit,
Speaker 1: and we were really close. But yeah, when he was
Speaker 1: on uh, he couldn't he couldn't be stuck. Can you
Speaker 1: reveal who your biggest smoking buddy was in the NFL? Hmm?
Speaker 1: So okay, So here, here's here's the issue here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that you don't want to snitch. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: even that I want to don't want to snitch? Is
Speaker 1: that for eighty something percent of my NFL career I
Speaker 1: was in the NFL's drug program and I was the
Speaker 1: star player for most of that time, and so nobody
Speaker 1: on the team was what he wanted to be was
Speaker 1: trying to smoke with me. Yo, how did you finesse
Speaker 1: the drug? Because because when you're an NFL drug program,
Speaker 1: it's their job to try to catch you up. So
Speaker 1: how did you get through it as much as you did?
Speaker 1: There's this drink. There's this drink and I forgot what
Speaker 1: it was called detox because because everyone knows we takes
Speaker 1: like two weeks to get out of your system. Right, Well, well,
Speaker 1: it depends on how much you smoke. It depends how
Speaker 1: much you smoke. It depends how much body fat, it
Speaker 1: depends how active you are. And so I got it
Speaker 1: down to a science where eventually I realized, So at
Speaker 1: one point I was being tested nine times a month, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's yeah, so that's like two times a week.
Speaker 1: And so what I realized they never tested me on
Speaker 1: back to back days. So if a dude would call
Speaker 1: me up and he tested me in the morning before
Speaker 1: I went to work six am, I p in the cup.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a good day because I knew
Speaker 1: that when I got home, I could smoke that night
Speaker 1: and I could take I could smoke probably five hits
Speaker 1: and be good for like three days, okay, because I
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't stacking, it wasn't building up in my system.
Speaker 1: It it would go in, then it would go out.
Speaker 1: And then later I realized, you know, it got to
Speaker 1: the point where I could take two hits the day
Speaker 1: before a test and still pass the test. And so
Speaker 1: I just had to like rash it. I just had
Speaker 1: to ration it out. But earlier in my career, when
Speaker 1: I was just smoking, I just would drink or drink
Speaker 1: and get it at the head shot, and you the
Speaker 1: guy would call me and say I'll be there at
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning. So I set my alarm
Speaker 1: for five I get up, I drink to drink, wait
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, drink water, fifteen minutes, drink water. Pee one time,
Speaker 1: and then you're you're in this clean for five hours.
Speaker 1: And that worked. I mean I used to have like
Speaker 1: in my closet, I just had like like probably twenty
Speaker 1: boxes time all that shit. Yes, cases, I buy him
Speaker 1: out every time. I would. You never used anyone else's
Speaker 1: pee because in the NFL, they probably watch the NFL
Speaker 1: is to your knees, you know, pants to your knees.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, That's fucking crazy. Oh man. But you know,
Speaker 1: but I will say, I will say later in my career,
Speaker 1: the drug dude, the test dude, it was the same guy,
Speaker 1: and we became really cool. And so then sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: I tell my wife to to be and put in
Speaker 1: the bathroom and then when I go in there. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, do you recall the highest you've ever been
Speaker 1: in your life? And it could be on anything, mushrooms,
Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever, I don't know. Do you recall
Speaker 1: like just the the most out of your mind you've
Speaker 1: ever been? I don't know. I mean I had a
Speaker 1: rough week last week. I ate mushrooms, ate inedible, smoked
Speaker 1: my face off and got shipped. Okay, I do in Austin.
Speaker 1: This was in Austin, Yes, I do. I do remember.
Speaker 1: I do remember a time and it was like it
Speaker 1: was mixing. It was mixed. It was when I was
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Yeah, I was young. I got smoking,
Speaker 1: I was drinking X probably something else I don't even remember,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was. I was gone. I remember. I
Speaker 1: was so gone. Uh. I was telling my friend I
Speaker 1: had to be some good ect if. It was in
Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, that was when ectasy was real. It
Speaker 1: was yeah, early early two things. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just remember I was. I was gone in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and where I thought I was in one part
Speaker 1: of town, but I was in a completely different part
Speaker 1: of town. I don't even remember how shut up in
Speaker 1: Magnolia Project. All I know is that I got dropped
Speaker 1: off at my house by a by a sheriff. Yeah. Here,
Speaker 1: here's all I remember. I got dropped off by the
Speaker 1: sheriff and he called me the next morning to cooperate
Speaker 1: our stories to make sure that I was good. Wow.
Speaker 1: So he could he could have arrested you. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing because he looked out for me. He was like,
Speaker 1: you're the fucking You're Ricky Williams. Man. We got a game.
Speaker 1: I was. I was close friends with his boss and
Speaker 1: and thank god, wow, I was When you were in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, it was like the beginning of cash Money.
Speaker 1: It was the beginning. It was like No Limit was
Speaker 1: kind of you know, and cash Money was like this,
Speaker 1: Yes it was Yeah, I remember I was in New York.
Speaker 1: I was in New York, uh for the Heisman stuff
Speaker 1: in the club and they just started playing that juvenile Juvenile. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they just started They put they put jay Z on
Speaker 1: the remix and ship just started playing it. I was
Speaker 1: at the club of New York, I remember. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So like did you did you end up? You know,
Speaker 1: we always see the young rapper dudes always have relationships
Speaker 1: with the big superstars in the city. Did you ever
Speaker 1: end up? I mean there was kind of a weird
Speaker 1: there was a weird rivalry between No Limited Cass in
Speaker 1: the middle. Okay, but early early when I was there,
Speaker 1: my first year there, I was at a at a
Speaker 1: club and Juvene I was there, and we you know,
Speaker 1: we said what's up. And then at towards the very
Speaker 1: end when hot boys were getting really big, then I
Speaker 1: you know, hung out with them a lot more. Your
Speaker 1: time in Miami early early two thousands, Miami was fucking
Speaker 1: Trick Daddy and record Trina. I mean, how was what
Speaker 1: was it like being in Miami in the early two
Speaker 1: thousands and and and having your best professional yeah's your
Speaker 1: best year there? Yeah it was. It was. I mean
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't the same kind of rivalry, but
Speaker 1: but you know, but Trick and Trina, like they were
Speaker 1: tighted with Edgrin, you know, he's from there exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't you guys, and everyone kind of compared
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, so, but I mean, I love it,
Speaker 1: we're tight, but it was just kind of that. But
Speaker 1: I mean, whenever I saw him, it was it was cool.
Speaker 1: He's a Florida boy for real. Yes, yes, exactly, but
Speaker 1: but it was, Yeah, it was awesome. It was awesome
Speaker 1: being in Miami at that time. You know, South Beach
Speaker 1: was was was popping. I mean, like, how much pussy
Speaker 1: were you getting at the time in life? Like you
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you're in Miami. I mean by the
Speaker 1: way your college had to be crazy. College college was crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a quality, quality of a quantity. I
Speaker 1: love a quantity of quality, quantity of what's the highest
Speaker 1: amount of quantity of quality you've had at once? At once?
Speaker 1: Just three? But in like a day, foursome seven? So
Speaker 1: you had three girls and you three and me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh so fame, but but in a day probably seven.
Speaker 1: So in Miami, yeah, because in my Miami is just
Speaker 1: it's just such a sexy city. Like every time I
Speaker 1: go down there, I can't help it. It It just I
Speaker 1: just love going to tutsies. Man, I mean, I love toutsiest.
Speaker 1: I bit you. He's like, I've ran in and out
Speaker 1: of that place. The IP is four hundred bucks. Anyway,
Speaker 1: wait wait wait, how old were you gonna have your foursome?
Speaker 1: That's got to be that's a moment in life. This
Speaker 1: was right out of right out of right out of college.
Speaker 1: So this is when I was in I was single,
Speaker 1: I was in New Orleans, Rookie. I had a big
Speaker 1: ass house just running it up. Yeah yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to like, you know, seven
Speaker 1: in a day too, that's impressive. Yes, you know, that's
Speaker 1: just being dumb hydro. That's just being dumb and flexing
Speaker 1: your muscle. You know, you had to be on hydrogen.
Speaker 1: Seven girls in a day. You gotta be on something.
Speaker 1: You gotta be on some hydroxy curves. Some of that
Speaker 1: ship you were talking about that your fullback was on.
Speaker 1: That's impressive. The most I did two in a day,
Speaker 1: you know, in my hey day seven is you know,
Speaker 1: but that's why what groupies? Right, when there's people that
Speaker 1: are called groupies, it's easy. It's easy, right, it's easy.
Speaker 1: It's harder to say no at some points and then
Speaker 1: just to say yes back then. You know. Nowadays it's
Speaker 1: very popular to have to be a beautiful woman. And
Speaker 1: like you said, there's more NFL players than anybody, but
Speaker 1: most beautiful women that I've ever met, some sort of
Speaker 1: NFL player slides in the DMS right in. It's funny,
Speaker 1: he's laughing. In your day, we didn't have social media,
Speaker 1: so we're like, obviously there's clubs. Do it literally be
Speaker 1: bitches in the hotels though, like just trying to get shows, no,
Speaker 1: because like on the hotel, in the hotels they have
Speaker 1: we have securities. Okay, okay, we have a security outside
Speaker 1: the elevator, and so is more like they just know
Speaker 1: the bars or the clubs or whatever that the players
Speaker 1: hang out. That's that's really How did you ever have
Speaker 1: or like if we do like charity events or something,
Speaker 1: they might you know, they might show up. You were
Speaker 1: a celebrity at the time, culturally, not just if you're
Speaker 1: a sports fan. Did you ever get any sort of
Speaker 1: attention from any celebrity females? I didn't. I mean I
Speaker 1: don't think so I had. I had fantasies, you know,
Speaker 1: like everyone in my halle Berry you know, let me
Speaker 1: ask you something. You see Monsters Ball? Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw halle Berry's tits
Speaker 1: was in Swordfish with John Travolta. I saw that ship
Speaker 1: at Metro Center Mall, and as soon as it came
Speaker 1: out on DVD, I just paused it. It was a VHS.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, look at those and
Speaker 1: then Monsters Ball Billy Bob Thornton just kind of did
Speaker 1: a sting Man. Is halle Berry like the it for you?
Speaker 1: Like when you were growing up? She was? Yeah, she was,
Speaker 1: she was. She was the one. Yeah, halle Berry in
Speaker 1: the nineties was the one. Was Halle halle Berry was
Speaker 1: in the the Last Boys. We talked about that movie. Ever,
Speaker 1: wasn't she in that? That was a crazy movie? When
Speaker 1: the fuck and that the running backs running, he pulled
Speaker 1: the gun out start shooting players on the field. Fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: Damon Wayne's Yeah, that what's your what do you what
Speaker 1: do you think is the best football movie you ever made?
Speaker 1: There's some good ones or your favorite? I like, I
Speaker 1: like any given Sunday, Any given Sunday was good. I
Speaker 1: mean because I was. I think I was in Miami.
Speaker 1: I was in Miami at the time, and so I
Speaker 1: got That's when I got really close with Jim Brown
Speaker 1: when he was there and shooting shooting that movie. But uh,
Speaker 1: I just I think it wasn't one hundred percent accurate,
Speaker 1: but it was the closest. It was the closest. Like,
Speaker 1: I know, we got guys like that on the team. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Who was like the superstar guy that you were like,
Speaker 1: you know, like like who was like the most diva guy? No?
Speaker 1: Was the diva is probably a negative word to use,
Speaker 1: but when we think of like the Prime Times or
Speaker 1: the you know, Michael Joe Horn, Joe Horn, I mean
Speaker 1: nickname was Hollywood, Hollywood so he was on that ship.
Speaker 1: He was on that wide receiver ship. It was a
Speaker 1: It's a good story because you know, he he got
Speaker 1: picked up by the by the Chiefs, played a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then as a free agent he came to New
Speaker 1: Orleans and no one knew who he was. He ball,
Speaker 1: he bawled out, so he was always Hollywood. But but
Speaker 1: he you know, he earned it. He earned it. You
Speaker 1: know the one where he had the cell phone, He
Speaker 1: had the cell phone. Yeah he did add any celebration, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had the cell phone in the in the goal
Speaker 1: post and he came pulled it out that It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Would you ever get into coaching or anything? Now? I have,
Speaker 1: so if the right situation came. I coached some college
Speaker 1: kids in China. It was I coached Team Folayers in China. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, just Chinese football players. There are. When I
Speaker 1: got there, there wasn't, but now there are, so we
Speaker 1: coach these kids. Are you saying that you're responsible for
Speaker 1: Chinese football? I am. I respect that. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: have a lot to do with it. That was beautiful
Speaker 1: and so you know, it was a job where I
Speaker 1: got to travel and it was like two weeks two
Speaker 1: weeks and then take them to Sweden to play in
Speaker 1: a tournament, and then I coached some kids in Tijuana.
Speaker 1: I like international coaching because you can make a bigger
Speaker 1: effect on the kids and because you're teaching them an
Speaker 1: American game and it's it's you know, less time consuming
Speaker 1: and it's fun. It's fun because you're like, it's almost
Speaker 1: like these kids, aren't you know. We come in a
Speaker 1: culture of entitlement now, you know, even with athletes, right,
Speaker 1: and and to be able to I'm sure teach someone
Speaker 1: a new sport that you're so passionate about it kind
Speaker 1: of brings it back to why you did it in
Speaker 1: the first place exactly. And their their college kids and
Speaker 1: so like they're in they're Chinese, so they're super smart.
Speaker 1: And teaching them the people, I mean, it's it means
Speaker 1: that they value they value they value intelligence and so
Speaker 1: where and so they were coming as these intellectuals trying
Speaker 1: to learn this game of football, and they learned the
Speaker 1: game like this, like I can install I can put
Speaker 1: an NFL type stuff and they could pick it up.
Speaker 1: The hard part was when we got them on the
Speaker 1: field and I had to teach them the defensive guys
Speaker 1: when the ball snapped, you have to go that way,
Speaker 1: you know, because the linebackers with the ball snapped, they
Speaker 1: start back pedaling, right. So I just had the idea
Speaker 1: of the game where you have to be aggressive and
Speaker 1: you have to go attack. That took a little bit
Speaker 1: of time to try to teach them, but but the
Speaker 1: x's and o's they picked it up quick. When you
Speaker 1: were coming up. What was the best club in Tijuana
Speaker 1: Revolution Revolution? Yeah, okay, t Wan is a great place.
Speaker 1: There's a strip of streets where everything gets kind of interesting. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's like Adelitas and Chicago Club. And did you guys
Speaker 1: frequent the TJ when you were young? So quite often.
Speaker 1: The big thing with TJ is you can go when
Speaker 1: you're eighteen. And I turned eighteen like two weeks before
Speaker 1: I left to go start playing baseball, and so I
Speaker 1: did TJ when I came back, when I came back
Speaker 1: to visit from Texas from college. T Want is a
Speaker 1: crazy place. Now there's this place called Club Hong Kong there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the strip club that's everyone wants to check out. Just
Speaker 1: read the yelp reviews. Has Yelp reviews. That's what convinced
Speaker 1: me to go. I was like, let me see if
Speaker 1: there's Yelp reviews in this place, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh Jesus Christ, oh, I gotta check this out. I
Speaker 1: got to check this out. Yo, Why did you never
Speaker 1: get into a because I feel like you got a
Speaker 1: great personality and I feel like, like like I said, culturally,
Speaker 1: you're fucking huge. There's some really shitty dudes doing football
Speaker 1: commentary and getting paid handsomely for it that used to
Speaker 1: play football. They were never that good. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to fuck. Matt Hasselback's brother talks about being
Speaker 1: a quarter Tim Hasselback. This motherfucker was horrible, treented over
Speaker 1: was fucking up. Anyway. They sat in a lot of
Speaker 1: meetings so they they know it. But did you ever
Speaker 1: think of taking that career? Dad? I did, and I
Speaker 1: dabbled in it a little bit. For the past seven years.
Speaker 1: I've been doing some stuff for Texas. I do the
Speaker 1: pregame show in a post. Oh nice. So I did
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I even got invited up to
Speaker 1: Bristol and to do some stuff at the ESPN. But
Speaker 1: it's too much. You know, you sit there all day.
Speaker 1: You live in La Man Sports Center's right here. You
Speaker 1: can it's too much, like the study and like it's
Speaker 1: too much. I like to come in and coach and
Speaker 1: teach what I know, but having to watch film and
Speaker 1: talk about what everyone's doing, like it's just too it's
Speaker 1: too much to be prepared to do a good job.
Speaker 1: So I decided, what are your thoughts currently on Texas
Speaker 1: and UH and its football program? And you know, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the football career program has seen better days,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean we've struggled. The past couple
Speaker 1: of years have been a little bit better. We just
Speaker 1: hired UH Sark, you know who was at SC and
Speaker 1: I think uh a great offensive mind. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: going through struggling with alcoholism and humbled him. Yeah and so,
Speaker 1: and he spent some time with coach Saven. So I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I think I think he's ready to shine
Speaker 1: and Texas is ready to get back on top. So
Speaker 1: we got a great running back from actually from Arizona. Nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jehan Robinson. He was a freshman last year. He was amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we got we're off to a good start.
Speaker 1: Are you the greatest Texas Longhorn football player of all time?
Speaker 1: I have the most records. I was just just gonna say,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's gotta be you. And the only other
Speaker 1: name I can think of is Vince Young. Earl Campbell, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Earl Campbell. Fuck, Yes, that was Yeah, So I think
Speaker 1: it's different. I think you know, you played four years too, Yeah, Vince.
Speaker 1: I think if Vince would have played another year, he
Speaker 1: definitely would be he'd be the best. But even when
Speaker 1: he did what he did in the Rose, the Rose
Speaker 1: was legendary. That's that's gonna that's gonna go down as
Speaker 1: best performance by a college football player ever. That was
Speaker 1: legend and that and that's almost like I always look
Speaker 1: at that game as like when lebron beat the Warriors. Yes,
Speaker 1: because USC back then was like the dream team. They
Speaker 1: had Lendel White and Reggie Bush and Matt Lioner. It
Speaker 1: was like two winners on what the fuck is going
Speaker 1: on here? Yeah, it's great. By the way, Lendel White's
Speaker 1: a wild dude, man him in person, crazy guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think when we think of college football, Vince Young
Speaker 1: coming to the NFL, he run Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: and then man, I feel like the NFL I think
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher did him dirty. You mentioned it earlier about
Speaker 1: about running backs and longevity is so much running backs,
Speaker 1: any position but quarterbacks running backs. It's fit. It's just
Speaker 1: do you have a good fit with the system. Do
Speaker 1: you have to coach with the head coach if you
Speaker 1: if there's a good fit, you can play for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like Vince Young could have maybe went to anywhere. Okay.
Speaker 1: I feel like Jeff Fisher was was hard on him
Speaker 1: man like. So the story is that the owner, the
Speaker 1: owner from Houston, and that's where that's where view eyes
Speaker 1: from when it said we're drafting him, and and coach
Speaker 1: Fisher was like, no, I don't want them. They bumped
Speaker 1: heads and so he kind of held that against Vince
Speaker 1: the whole his whole career, which is trash. This is
Speaker 1: trash to me, Like young players in the NFL, college
Speaker 1: players and college kids. Coaches have such a pivotal role
Speaker 1: in their lives, and I've seen coaches ruin ruin young men.
Speaker 1: Who do you who do you think right now is
Speaker 1: an example of that that you feel like is like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, You're just in the wrong place. Hmmm, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. It's probably a quarterback. I would say
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold would be the first person that comes to mind,
Speaker 1: just because he's probably had some of the worst coaching.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Adam Gaves was fucking horrible. Adam
Speaker 1: Case is bad. Is bad. Yeah, I think Drew Luck.
Speaker 1: Drew Luck. Okay, I think Drew Luck. I mean I
Speaker 1: saw him playing. He was great in college. I saw
Speaker 1: him playing college. He's got an arm He's got so
Speaker 1: much talent. It's just him finding finding the right coach
Speaker 1: in the right system. M M. Because he seems like
Speaker 1: the kind of the kind of player who really will
Speaker 1: put the work in, will study. Yeah. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: I think that that The Cardinals are a perfect example
Speaker 1: of why the coach matters. It's like, oh, they literally
Speaker 1: like they hired that guy and they're like, yo, you
Speaker 1: need your like you know, it's a fit thing. It's
Speaker 1: like it's everything I'm telling you. If you look you
Speaker 1: look at you look at Belichick and Brady. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the best example. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: when when Brady went to Tampa early in the year,
Speaker 1: what did you notice, Yeah, it was kind of dicey.
Speaker 1: It was kind of dice r and the Arians don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. He'll say some ship in the press conference,
Speaker 1: they got everyone talking like are they beefing? What the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on in Tampa? But they got on
Speaker 1: the same page and exactly, and I think that's probably
Speaker 1: the most talented offensive team payt Mags ever had. You
Speaker 1: can say West Walk or Randy Moss, but like top
Speaker 1: to bottom and now all the receivers got stars and
Speaker 1: then and then his running backs are crazy, two of them.
Speaker 1: Two of them are crazy. Yeah, and Lashawan McCoy's like
Speaker 1: the third guy. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's it's wild. Well, look,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for coming through. Anything else you want
Speaker 1: to promote while you're here, man to my podcast. So
Speaker 1: I just I just started a podcast, oh ship. It's
Speaker 1: called Curious Questions with Ricky Williams. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that I got into in the middle of my
Speaker 1: career was astrology. And so I do I bring people on,
Speaker 1: I look at their astrology chart and then I just
Speaker 1: asked some questions based off of what I see. So astrology,
Speaker 1: when you say this, because I'm not an astrology guy,
Speaker 1: so you got to help educate me. This is kind
Speaker 1: of like a this is not like like a scorpio. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna okay, So I lean on the belief
Speaker 1: that I don't I don't. I don't know about that ship,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Yes, I don't know if it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: I mean, people say, oh, you're in a queris this
Speaker 1: means I'm like, does it? Yeah? How do you know?
Speaker 1: But with that being said, give me a like a
Speaker 1: breakdown of astrology and why you're so passionate about it.
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting thing to be passionate about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so when I when I retired in two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, I just left everything. Yeah, and right before
Speaker 1: I retired, I realized that everything in my life had
Speaker 1: been built on me being a football player, and I
Speaker 1: gave all that up, and so I was kind of
Speaker 1: I was lost. And I met this lady and she
Speaker 1: I heard I was a football player, and so she
Speaker 1: got curious about my astrology, and so I gave him
Speaker 1: my information and she looked at the chart and it's
Speaker 1: just a strange lady. I didn't even I just met
Speaker 1: and she looked at my chart and we had this
Speaker 1: conversation and based off my chart, I just felt like,
Speaker 1: this woman knows me better than my closest friends. And
Speaker 1: so I just got really curious and it just gave
Speaker 1: me a lot of clarity and direction in a time
Speaker 1: where I was lost. And so I got curious and
Speaker 1: just started studying it. And the more I studied, I
Speaker 1: just started to notice, Wow, there's just some crazy, like
Speaker 1: crazy connections going on. And the more I studied, I
Speaker 1: just started to notice more crazy connections. And then I
Speaker 1: just started talking to people about their charts and people
Speaker 1: got something out of it, and so I just kept
Speaker 1: doing it. So your podcast, you look at people's charts
Speaker 1: and based on that you can kind of hit them
Speaker 1: with some questions, some interesting questions. Wow. Yeah, so an example.
Speaker 1: And I don't like there's a whole chart. It's not
Speaker 1: just you know, being an Aquarius. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of other stuff going on. But like if in general, right,
Speaker 1: if I was had an Aquarius on, I would talk
Speaker 1: about that. You know, for Aquarius, a lot of it
Speaker 1: has to do with with learning to to not care
Speaker 1: what other people think. Okay, I mastered that, yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: And so I would I would ask I would ask
Speaker 1: questions about stories because I want the listeners. Because when
Speaker 1: someone says they're inn Aquarius, it doesn't really describe you.
Speaker 1: It describes, It describes the dramas that you're going to
Speaker 1: experience in life and the dramas that aquariums experience. What
Speaker 1: is the drama of being an outsider and learning how
Speaker 1: to be comfortable thinking for yourself. That whole process and
Speaker 1: how it looks for everyone is going to be different
Speaker 1: a lot of times with an aquarius, and probably eighty
Speaker 1: percent of them. This works because the aquarius is about
Speaker 1: questioning authority, and so typically like one of the one
Speaker 1: of the one of the parents, one of the parents,
Speaker 1: you know, as a difficult time with the with the aquarium. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's I question authority my whole life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always butting heads with bosses a bit. What the
Speaker 1: fuck did this motherfucker god is doing over here? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like what the hell? Yes, damn. When you when you
Speaker 1: left football for those years, it was it was everyone
Speaker 1: was surprised, caught off, Like, you know, you were what
Speaker 1: like five years, six years in the league, six five
Speaker 1: years and you leave football. You know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people the perception was you turned into like
Speaker 1: this hippie guy, right, I did, right, So you turned
Speaker 1: into this hippie guy. You learned about aquarius and astrology.
Speaker 1: Uh did was there anything else spiritual that you went
Speaker 1: through during that time that that helped shape you? Yoga, yoga, meditation,
Speaker 1: holistic healing, like, all of that, all of it came
Speaker 1: in that time, in that time period, and it surprised me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was a hippie until I just
Speaker 1: I ended up in this town in Australia called Byron Bay,
Speaker 1: and I just felt you ended up there. I just
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's kind of it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of funny where I ended up
Speaker 1: this teleport over. I had a friend. I had a
Speaker 1: friend who right after I retired, she said she was
Speaker 1: traveling to Samoa. So I was like, shit, I don't
Speaker 1: got nothing to do. Let me go with you. And
Speaker 1: so we went to Samoa and then we went to
Speaker 1: Fiji and then she started tripping. So I was like, bye,
Speaker 1: and I tripping on hallucinogenic just freaking out on acting
Speaker 1: like you know anyways, and so I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't need this, and I was, Okay, what am
Speaker 1: I going to do now? I'm in the middle of
Speaker 1: the Pacific, you know, And then I and then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Ship, Australia is like really close, and
Speaker 1: I want to go back there because I had a
Speaker 1: good time. And so I flew back to Sydney, hung
Speaker 1: out in Sydney for a couple of days, and then
Speaker 1: I got this idea of this town called Byron Bay
Speaker 1: that I always wanted to go to. And I never
Speaker 1: really been on a greyhound except from San Diego to
Speaker 1: El Centro and so I, and in Australia the greyhound
Speaker 1: is like everybody travels in the greyhound. So I took
Speaker 1: a Greyhound from Sydney to this town and Byron Bay,
Speaker 1: and I thought I'd be there for a couple of
Speaker 1: days because I wanted to photograph a lighthouse that was there,
Speaker 1: and ended up standing there for a couple of months.
Speaker 1: And I learned there that I was, that I was
Speaker 1: a hippie, and then from there on I came back
Speaker 1: and started doing hippies. I became a vegetarian, started doing yoga.
Speaker 1: Are you vegetarians? No, not anymore. You got to meet man.
Speaker 1: After I retired, I moved back to Texas and it's
Speaker 1: too hard. Yeah, yeah, barbecue, some of that barbecue in Texas. Man,
Speaker 1: I had some pork belly. That was like life changing.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago. I was like, why can't
Speaker 1: they make it like that in California. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just that. So now you're not you're you're back to
Speaker 1: eating meat. Yes, we always Mike Tyson always describes how
Speaker 1: he found like d MT. Yeah, did you ever get
Speaker 1: into any of the haucinogenic side of things? Ayahuasca? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So ayahuasca is something you did. You did ayahuasca? Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I really want to do it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: an experience. You gotta have a shaman and like it's helpful.
Speaker 1: I think it's better if you have a shaman. And
Speaker 1: I say do it at least how many times? Have
Speaker 1: you done it? Seven times? I say do it at
Speaker 1: least at least four times because the first time, lot
Speaker 1: of times it's just getting your bearings. But you got
Speaker 1: to do it a couple of times. Really did you
Speaker 1: do it? Like did you go to Costa Rica? Where
Speaker 1: were you at? I did it? I did in southern California.
Speaker 1: This there's a shaman from Hawaii that he would come
Speaker 1: here every year for six months and he would do
Speaker 1: pretty much every every weekend. He would do a Friday
Speaker 1: Saturday Wow, And so I did it with him a
Speaker 1: couple of times. I have another friend in Tapanga who
Speaker 1: has ceremonies at his house. I did it a couple
Speaker 1: of times. But I would love to go to the
Speaker 1: Amazon and do it. I heard it it's hardcore there,
Speaker 1: but but I want to. I want to have that
Speaker 1: experience they you know, I had a friend of mine
Speaker 1: who did it, who was addicted to cocaine and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, had an issue with you know, sleeping with
Speaker 1: every woman he met and gambled like a crazy person
Speaker 1: and he did two days straight and it like changed
Speaker 1: his life. He said, it was like doing thirty years
Speaker 1: of therapy. It shows you stuff. But the truth is
Speaker 1: you have to be ready to You have to be ready.
Speaker 1: You want to see that. You got to be ready
Speaker 1: to see it. But it shows it shows you stuff.
Speaker 1: What's do you do? You remember the craziest thing that
Speaker 1: you got out of it or that you saw while
Speaker 1: you were while you were on eyewash Because I'm really
Speaker 1: curious into trying it. So for me, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: more kinesthetic. So it was more of the feeling of
Speaker 1: it and when you drink the drink, like, the experience
Speaker 1: was you can feel like going into your stomach and
Speaker 1: like pulling like stuff out of your body. And then
Speaker 1: most people purge. And so when you go to ayahuasca,
Speaker 1: you know, you sit down in your spot and they
Speaker 1: give you like a bucket. They call it purging because
Speaker 1: it's not really pukey because you're not supposed to eat.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to eat going into it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so it's really it's stuff like it's coming out of
Speaker 1: your mouth, it's coming out of your eyes sometimes coming
Speaker 1: out of your ears. That happen to you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And and I you know, I had like I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was past lives up, but I had,
Speaker 1: you know, images of being like a Native American Native
Speaker 1: American warrior and having to choose between going to war
Speaker 1: and and going to train with the shaman. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of how my life has kind
Speaker 1: of been, you know, where I did the warrior football
Speaker 1: player thing, now I'm kind of moving towards the shaman. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone my friend said he felt he said there was
Speaker 1: a lady like a voice her or whatever he was saying, right,
Speaker 1: and and he was like he was like, there was
Speaker 1: like trauma that I had as a child. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember, but it was it was holding me down
Speaker 1: without even knowing it. And he was like, it was
Speaker 1: almost like they committed surgery on me and they cut
Speaker 1: it out of me. Yeah, that shit's crazy. Do you
Speaker 1: did you hear like a lady or like, because I've
Speaker 1: heard that multiple times from people that there's like, you know,
Speaker 1: some something that's talking to you, talking you through it,
Speaker 1: or like so, yeah, so I haven't heard a lady,
Speaker 1: but but you know, for me, it's in ayahuasca, an
Speaker 1: animal will come like a wolf came one time, in
Speaker 1: a white rhino came other time. Wow. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of that same state that you experienced
Speaker 1: when you daydream or even sometimes a night dream. You
Speaker 1: know that that's yeah, and it shows you, it shows
Speaker 1: you stuff. Did it change you? It did it? Did?
Speaker 1: You know? But I've been doing this work for a
Speaker 1: long time, like meditation, like doing a lot of retreat
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, so when it comes up, it's like, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this this is this is what's next. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm moving through right right right right. That's fucking wild man.
Speaker 1: You gotta do it, man, I know I know, I
Speaker 1: need to. One of my friends had someone in Malibu
Speaker 1: that does it. Yeah, but I definitely I want to
Speaker 1: do it, like so make sure I'm with the right person.
Speaker 1: I mean the group, the group you do it with.
Speaker 1: This is extremely important. Yeah. Yeah, that's wild. Well, look,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming through. Of course, your podcast How
Speaker 1: many episodes have you done? Number five is releasing number
Speaker 1: five tomorrow. Who Who's it with Bethany Cosentino. She's singer
Speaker 1: part of a Best Coast Okay for sure. Well check
Speaker 1: out the podcast. It's called Curious Questions with Ricky Williams.
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams, Yeah, you gotta get you got to go
Speaker 1: to Austin and get Rogan Man. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean we reached out to him, so we're working on it.
Speaker 1: I mean he's got I mean, listen, if he wants
Speaker 1: to tap it with the King Austin, he's got to
Speaker 1: hit you up. Man. They got to put your statue
Speaker 1: next to Vince Young's statue, and then you know what
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I say, Austin is the only
Speaker 1: the only town in America that has statues of twupot heads,
Speaker 1: me and Willie Nelson. Mm hmm. Willy Nelson. Do you
Speaker 1: ever smoke with Willy I have fire? Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: ever smoke a snoop? I have me too, I've only
Speaker 1: done snoop. Oh and have you ever met Wiz? I
Speaker 1: haven't met. Will make that happen please? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a legend, the only Yeah, I think I've hit
Speaker 1: all the bucket list rappers I just haven't smoked with
Speaker 1: with like Willie Nelson, or I smoke with one of
Speaker 1: the Marley brothers, which is cool. I haven't even done that,
Speaker 1: or one of one of his sons, Steven Marley. I
Speaker 1: smoke with him in Boise Idol. Yeah. They had this
Speaker 1: big ass like monster jar on the bus of just
Speaker 1: fucking just the craziest weed. And it was like you
Speaker 1: gotta Bob Marley tattoo, right yeah? Yeah yeah, And it
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I spoke with the Marley man. I'm
Speaker 1: chilling crazy. By the way, Rest in peace to Bunny Whaler.
Speaker 1: That's how we're going to end the podcast. Ricky Williams
Speaker 1: Man