WEBVTT - #49 - Ricky Williams 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 We own a motherfucking blet, motherfucking motherfucking bootlet kid podcast. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.920 God damn skippy. Hey, we're on the motherfucking bootlet Kimp podcast. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:16.759 Welcome to another episode. This time we've got Heisman Trophy winner, 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:23.200 a real motherfucking baller, a real shot caller, a real smoker, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:28.360 a real tooker, a real West Coaster. God damn it, 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:34.320 we got Ricky Williams on the motherfucking Bootleg cav podcast. Hey, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:40.080 shout out to Ricky Williams. As a child, I watched 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.560 him play college football, and then I watched him play 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.559 NFL football, and then as an adult, I drafted him 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.599 into fantasy football leagues in which he may or may 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.600 not have won some money for me. 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God, by the way, when you when you 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.280 bounce back, I think it was two thousand and nine, yep, oh, man, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.120 I picked you up off Waivers. Was going fucking crazy, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.920 Ricky Williams this year, welcome man, two thousand and nine. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.760 I remember that year very specifically because it was the 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.840 first year I ever played Fantasy and I picked you 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.600 up off Waivers and that was that the year that 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.160 the Wildcat was going crazy, was like Ronnie Brown and you. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.720 And it was a year after and Ronnie got hurt. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.480 So I was having a pretty good year. And then 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.200 Ronnie went down towards the end of the year and 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.080 I got a chance to start. And my first start 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:44.560 was Thursday night against the Panthers the year. Three touchdowns 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.880 that game, and I ran for over one hundred yards, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.480 and I think I went three straight hundred yard games. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.680 I remember. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy because I remember as 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.480 a kid. I was never ever as a as a kid, 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.400 I never was big into college football, but I remember 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.240 you because you were like a cultural phenom when you 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.960 were at Texas, like you won the Heisman Trophy. And 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.840 I specifically remember that Sports Illustrated cover when you went 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.839 to the NFL was was it was a union Mike Dica? Yeah, yeah, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.119 I remember, like that was just just liken iconic moment 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.000 that I always remember as a kid, like you had 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.040 such a crazy year or a crazy career. But you know, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.600 with where the NFL has moved, when when it comes 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:31.920 to testing weed, do you feel like you kind of 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.240 had to take like you kind of took a lot 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.200 of bullets for everybody when it came to the weed. Shit. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.800 I mean that's not that wasn't the plan, but I 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.520 think looking back, yeah I did, and only because I 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.159 was really the first person to tell the truth about it, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.240 because I mean, it was strange when I started, when 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.400 I got put in trouble for smoking. You know, I 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.680 wasn't even a real smoker. I just it was just 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.400 bad timing. There were dudes on the team that were 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.960 real smokers, and you know, but nobody knew for me 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.400 because I was I was one of the top players, 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.919 and because it was made public, and then when I 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.960 was put on the spot, I didn't lie about it. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.880 You know, it became a story and it was funny. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.160 What I've realized is it gave people, especially back then 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.640 this is you know not now in California. Back then, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.919 it gave people an excuse to say weed, or to 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.680 say marijuana, or to give people an excuse to talk 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.400 about it. So you just started seeing people having more 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.440 conversations of something that was kept you know, we don't 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.160 talk about this. We were talking about Now everybody was 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.640 talking about it, And I think that's really what's helped, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.000 is that it just started the conversation. Yeah, I think 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.320 you know, back then we all remember it was it 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.520 was it was you know, weed was in the same 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.200 conversation as people who'd be doing cocaine or like just 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.040 the idea of smoking weed and being leveeled or trouble maker. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.359 It's like crazy, you know what I mean. Did you 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.120 find that because back when you were in the NFL 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.480 BRO when you first got drafted, concussions weren't a thing. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.520 I'm sure you know, taking as many shots to get 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.320 you out on the field was very normalized. Putting you 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.680 on as many painkillers was very normalized. There wasn't. We 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.560 weren't as aware of, you know, the addictive effects of 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.279 all these things. And weed to me is like the 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:24.040 anti inflammatory. That's like, you know, for any sport, but 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.440 really for football, it should be pushed to the players. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.159 I mean, that's that's what I believe from my own 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.960 experience of being an NFL player, not just playing myself, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.479 but also being around other guys and seeing what happened 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.599 to the guys that you know, they live off taking 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.440 shots and drinking beer with their Viking and that's their 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.919 their pain regimen. And we know what that does to 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.760 people over a long period of time, people that we 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.640 used to have to take these indocents what they are called, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:53.280 and we used to have to take them the night 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.760 before before practice. Yeah, because if you didn't take it, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.480 you know, you went out to practice and you felt 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.440 like you were eighty five years old. But if you 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.599 took innocent, it's an insight. It's like just a really 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.320 strong ibuprofriend. And if you and if we took it, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.320 I mean, if you didn't take it, you feel like 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.800 eighty five. If you took it, you feel like you're 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.480 twelve years old. Was this something that was is still around? Yeah? They, 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.720 I mean they give it out. So it's it's standard 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.520 when you get into the NFL. The first time you 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.400 know about yeah, you get everybody or the tortof shot, right. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.760 Everybody in the NFL knows about this because it's a 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.880 lifesaver and and that's what that's what was the norm. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.560 And for me, I remember one day I was sitting 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.280 in the training room and I was seeing guys come 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.360 in one by one to get their tourt all shot. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.440 And I was thinking, if we're doing this for our 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.520 whole careers, we're having to get shots, what is this 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.000 going to do to our bodies? And then I kind 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.840 of took a challenge on to myself. I said, I 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.200 want to see how long I can go and the 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.240 season without without having to do that. And I started 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.240 smoking a little bit, and I was in the drug program, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.000 so I had to like measure it out. You know. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.560 I could take two hits the night, you know, the 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.040 day after I got tested and still be fine. And 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:00.920 so I found that that worked. I did a little 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.280 extra stretching, you know, just was more in touch with 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.520 my body and I didn't have to take those those medicines. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.240 And so I learned from myself that cannabis was better 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.440 for me than how long did you did you go 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:13.600 the whole year where her having to take one of 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.520 these I had to take. I had to take one 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.480 in the second to last game of the season. But 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.480 that was it. What year was that? This was two 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.600 thousand and uh, this two thousand and three when I 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.000 led the NFL and carries I carried them almost four 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:29.080 hundred times. That's crazy, man, It's crazy when you look 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.200 at your stats, right, and I believe you're like around 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:37.880 top thirty and rushing, Like to think like what your 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.800 stats would have been had none of this bullshit happened, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.280 had you not had to have gone and played in 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.400 Canada for a year, like you know, like it's crazy 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.560 because in O nine, we're talking about O nine, like 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.680 people counted you out by then. Yeah, especially in running 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.840 back years. Yeah, yeah, and it's like this guy bounced back, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.880 And do you ever do you ever have any regret 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.440 about how things played out? You know the main thing 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.200 for me, I think the reason I don't have any 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.480 regrets is because I got over the ten thousand yard mark. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.200 That was something that was important for me to say, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.560 Okay that my time playing football on the field in 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.240 the NFL wasn't wasted because I accomplished something. And yeah, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.440 and I did it in eleven seasons and one of 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.920 those seasons only lasted a quarter because I tore my peck. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.079 So essentially I almost average one thousand yards a season. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.200 And considering I didn't start for half my career, and 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.240 considering I was out for a year, then back in, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.280 then out for a year, and then back in then 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.520 out for a year and back in that I feel 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.360 like I did it and I did it my way, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.600 and so I don't have any regrets. When you got 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:46.079 drafted to the Saints, what that that season? Who was 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.600 the quarterback is Jake Alone? And well, yeah, wow, Jake 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.880 Alone came on like that. He was like he was 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.719 a third string guy. Yeah, and he just came Wait 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.400 before we knew him with the pants. I went to 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.800 the Super Bowl exactly, he can't. He came in against 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.600 the Cowboys and beat a playoff bound Cowboy team. That 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.840 was really kind of his coming up party that year. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.160 Who were you hoping to get drafted to the Browns? 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.120 The Browns? This is this is like the that was 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.400 was that the first year the Browns. They were back, 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.240 and they take Tim Couch. Took Tim Couch exactly. So 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.760 the first thing is is I wanted to be the 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.880 first player because I thought I deserved it. Too, you 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.240 were the best player in the draft, and too and too. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.199 I felt like just who I was and the way 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.920 I played the game, it just fit well. Cleveland, Cleveland, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.080 like it's a grimy town, like they would appreciate, like 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.160 Jim Brown was there exactly exactly. That was what I 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.120 was hoping for. It didn't work out. And then my 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.080 next My next was Indy because I thought it would 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.679 have been cool to play with with Peyton. No, no, no no, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.280 My next was fit was was Philly, And because it 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.400 was the quarterback of Philly, it wasn't McNab wasn't. That's 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.120 who they drafted. So it was that year. So they 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.640 drafted mcnapp. That was it was. It was number two 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.600 that year. That was my second choice because Andy Reid. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.679 I just loved the West Coast offense. I think, I'm 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.520 and it seems like you were right. He's been onto something. Yeah, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.400 exactly exactly. I love that offense. And then third was 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.559 Indye played with Peyton and I got skipped past all 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.760 those and ended up in New Orleans. We don't remember 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.160 because if there's a lot of recent football fans who 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.880 who think the Saints are this perennial powerhouse, I know, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.480 and when I was a kid, they were the worst. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.480 It was. I always thought of the Saints and the 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.839 Bucks as the shittiest teams when I was a little kid. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.400 This is before the Bucks had like like you know 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.199 up early nineties, mid nineties. Bucks were not good before 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.160 Tony Dunge you got there. Yeah, I always just thought 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.960 the Bucks and the fucking Saints like trash. So you 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.440 go to the Saints. Mike Dicka was he like he 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.720 seems like I've seen some of his interviews like recently, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.600 he seems like not the best, like funnest guy to 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.560 play with or play for. Rather, how how was your guys' 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.080 dynamic because so he that seems like an act, but 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.120 but it's it's exactly the opposite it, you know, because 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.040 there are some coaches who never played, no, and so 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.600 I think sometimes they treat us like we're on a 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.000 Madden game or we're chess pieces. But the coaches that played, 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.320 you know, he's a real football guy. Yeah, they've been there, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.920 and so he's a hard ass on the outside. But 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.000 but he's the most amazing, like coolest coach ever to 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.920 play for because he's been there before, you know, So 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.280 he yeah, So you know, our first preseason game my 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.280 rookie year, we played in Miami and we were in Lacrosse, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.960 Wisconsin for our training camp, and so we played in 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.240 Miami and then we flew back and curfew was at 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.400 two o'clock, but we got in at like one, and 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.280 so we only had like twenty minutes at the bar. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.640 So everyone ran to the bar and Dicker was in 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.440 the bar too, and he looked at his watch and 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.599 he said, curfew has moved back to four A, and 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.480 so he got he was probably hammered as well. Of course, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.199 of course he was, but that's what I mean. He 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:56.680 was one of he was one of us and so 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.400 the guys go to war. They go to war for Yeah, 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.840 it is It's like I said, it's interesting that they 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.000 like when you got when you went there, did it 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.760 feel like there was like you always hear about places 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.120 have winning cultures, like places have losing cultures. You know, 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.400 we hear New England and and you know Pittsburgh, certain 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.040 franchises we always hear have that culture where things are expected, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.199 and then we hear about the other the opposite end, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.480 right Philly, right now, you know, like the Texans right now, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.280 when you got to New Orleans, did you feel like 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.880 it was a losing culture. Yes, it felt like a 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.160 losing culture. And I'll tell you and I'll tell you why. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.920 Because the winning cultures. I think the best example is 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.880 where the Patriots with Tom Brady is because there is 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.400 a there is a certain standard, and everyone fit that. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.920 It was about that standard. It wasn't about one player, 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.120 it wasn't about it was about the standard. It's like 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.200 it's like they draft players to fit what they do, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.640 not who's best, not who's the name. Exactly. In New 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.360 Orleans when I got there, they had a we had 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.840 a lot of really good players. We had a lot 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.880 of really good athletes and especially that first year. Who's 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.280 your who was your guys's wide receivers that year? Yeah, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:10.080 we didn't have that many good receipts. Eddie Kennison, Andre Hastings, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.800 no idea exactly. Okay, fair enough, I played for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:21.720 so so yeah, so but we had we had but 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.280 those guys could fly, right, So we had athletes, but 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.720 we didn't have a team. Right. So then when I 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.560 came in, it wasn't like, let's rally around this rookie 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.680 and maybe we can get to the playoffs. It was like, 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.920 who does this guy think he is? You know, he's 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.480 got to prove himself and and that's part of it, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.120 but but it just wasn't that that welcoming environment. And 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.800 but converse, when I got traded to the Dolphins, they've 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.200 been to the playoffs like for the past twelve years. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.760 I mean, it stopped when I got there, but it 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.800 was a winning it was a winning environment, and when 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.320 I got there, it was that feeling of Okay, Chad, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.440 Chad Pennington was still there when you got there, it 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.800 was it was Jay Fiedler was right, It was right. 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:02.320 No fielder Jay Feeley is a kicker, for the card. 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.440 It was right after it was right after Marino retired, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:10.360 and then they brought they brought Jay. Tell me if 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.760 I'm wrong, what like, tell me what happened with the 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.040 running back in football? Because it went from being the 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.440 running back was the most popular player when I was 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:24.160 growing up. There's Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith and you know, uh, 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.920 Terrell Davis and all these guys were the guys who 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.000 you almost like, when you would play Madden, you would 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.760 pick the best running back team, you know what I mean? 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.920 Because and somehow I feel like the NFL has made 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:41.080 running backs very disposable. It's like, you know, it feels 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.080 like they're the last guys to get paid when it's time. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.040 When it's time time comes up for them to get 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.440 a contract, usually they'll it's that running back by committee 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:50.880 is a thing. Now, what do you think happened with 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.400 the position that because back then, when when you got drafted, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.040 it was they expected you to carry the offense. Yeah, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.920 you know, I think it's a couple of and you know, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.800 my theory is the first thing is I think the 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.160 nature of coaches changed. I think when you had the 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.720 old school, like you know, Vince Lombardi style of the 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.480 coach like Ditka right there, play defense and run the 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.600 ball right, very conservative, smash mouth football. And then you 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:21.160 started having you know, these intellectual, smart coaches like the 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.120 guy Arizona right, and so they start scheming right, and 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.440 it's yeah, and it's more fun to scheme a passing 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.120 game and throwing the It's more exciting, right to scheme 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.080 a passing game and throw and throwing the ball around 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.280 than it is to scheme a run game and turn 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.360 it in the hand the ball. That's part of it. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.040 The other part is running backs, especially the old way. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.040 You know, we took a pounding and it just you 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.200 couldn't depend on a running back. You can't even think 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:46.920 of like like when you said you had the balls 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.080 carry about four hundred times and so yeah, you can't 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.920 even think about it. Yeah, So so that doesn't last long. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.240 And also, I think running backs, even though I think 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.200 it's the most skilled position because you have to be 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.760 able to do a lot of different things, it's pretty 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.720 easy to get to get running backs, and I think 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.720 they learned you have to move him through because you 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.320 can't just depend on one guy for too long, especially 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.520 now with this this these fast offenses. And also I 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.120 think a receiver, you know, a receiver has a good game. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.920 You know that's ten to an amazing game is ten? 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.439 You know ten touches right, you touch exactly, And sometimes 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.119 receivers will catch the ball and go out of balance. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.400 And so you can have a star receiver and pay 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.640 him a lot of money and be feel confident he's 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.960 going to stay healthy. But at a running back, you 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.359 give him a lot of money and he's taking a 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.440 pound you don't know. Well, you did a good job 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.840 of of like I said, I feel like some people 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.640 might have counted you out and then when you came 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.240 back you were murdering shit. So you did a good 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.920 job of like extending your peak. I guess right. Nowadays, 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:50.920 we'll see someone like, you know, someone like I'm trying 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:55.040 to think, I feel like, you know, we saw it 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.560 a little bit with Zeke this year, but you'll see 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.359 somebody who is like David Johnson. Let's use guy on 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.199 the Cardinals, right, David Johnson. I just remember had like 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:04.960 the crazies season. He had some injuries, but when he 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.639 came back, I feel like the drop off for running 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:12.160 backs is quick and fast. Like, why do you think 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.359 that is now, like, what do you notice because you 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.120 did a good job of I feel like you came 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.159 from the days where like most running backs had like 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.440 nine ten years. You know, we think Emma Smith and 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.639 Drome bettest time. Yeah. Now Jan Peters ap, now we 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.080 see motherfucker's in there. They're in and out. They got 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.920 three or four years, they get a contract and usually 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.440 it's like you always hear the people always criticize the 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.360 NFL teams when they give the running back the fat contract. Yeah, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.320 because like have you not learned? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.000 that's what I'm saying, because running back is such a 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.119 difficult position because you know that if you're carrying the 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.440 load every there's a target on you. You're going to 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.239 get hit a lot, right, I think you know when 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.240 you're hungry trying to get that check, it's easier once 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:57.600 you get paid. It's human nature who reminds you of 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:04.080 of the way you used to play. Now. Fournette, Leonard Fournette, Hey, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:05.680 I was so happy to see him with a Super Bowl. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.960 He did good to him so dirty in Jacksonville. He 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.120 looked so good. But it was a wake up call 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.679 for him and he responded and he responded, he looked, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.120 he looked really good. I was. I was impressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:21.159 I I I thought because I you know, when you 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.360 look at the stats he had his last year with Jacksonville, 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.359 it's like they just kind of just nobody wanted a 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.080 trade for him. Like I feel like Tom Brady's putting 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.840 together like you know, like kind of like like Pitts, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.359 you know, or the Patriots used to always take chances 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.840 on players and if didn't work out, they just cut him. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:38.360 But you know, they brought out a sink over there. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.359 They brought what was the big fat dude who was 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.600 on the Redskins that they took the overpaid lineman. Dude, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.400 he was offense or ship. He was on the Redskins. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.880 The Redskins paid him out and then I forget his name, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.160 big ass dude, defensive lineman. It was a defensive lineman. Yeah, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.600 I don't know, but but Moss right because people people 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.800 kind of cast him aside when he was with the Raiders. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.240 But I feel like Tom Brady's kind of doing that 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.879 now in Tampa Bay. Yeah, it's just crazy. Like Antonio Brown, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.399 I feel like I feel like he's picking it up. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.520 But I mean because there's there's nothing like experience. And 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.639 if you can get people on the same page and 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.119 they have experience, is there's no there's nothing that can 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.360 beat that in the in the league, nothing. And it's 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.639 it's probably the X factor of there's probably like maybe 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:30.479 three or four players in the league that everyone respects. Yeah, exactly, right, Like, well, 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.800 you know what we got you, You're Tom Brady. We 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.200 know what, we know what we're here to do. You 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:39.240 know what I'm saying. Yo. When you were coming up, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:44.520