WEBVTT - The Colorful Curaçao Liqueur Episode 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:10.959 Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.480 I'm Annie and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we have 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.280 an episode for you about cursow LeCour. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.600 Yes, yes, and what an episode it is. Was there 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.400 any particular reason this was on your mind? 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:32.800 Lauren? Was there? I love this every time? Me too. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.360 I could have been anything. Yeah, I think that I 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.239 was just kind of combing around looking for I had 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:46.120 been looking at Mescal and both of us kind of went, 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.800 I don't know, that's a lot. And something else on 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.600 the web page that I was looking at was talking about. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.840 Cursow completely legitimate. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.320 Yeah, there I go. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.160 I can come from. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.880 Yeah. Sometimes it's a very well thought out chain, and 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.360 sometimes it's just like my you know, one of my 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.039 brain cells just kind of beat booping around in my 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.880 skull until something connects. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:20.440 Mm hmmmm mmmm well uh, speaking of beat booping. First 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.600 of all, drink responsibility as always. Second of all, I 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.560 have a bottle of blue Curse Owl that I'm convinced 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:29.679 I could be buried with. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.240 It's huge. Just I don't use that much of it? 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:39.039 No, sure, No, you shouldn't really, I mean, what kind 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:40.480 of things are you using it in? 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:46.360 So I bought it for Star Wars thing, sure, because 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.520 a lot of the Star Wars cocktails because the blue 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:54.200 is so splu even though I can make my own 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:59.200 blue gin, but whatever it called specifically for blue cursew 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.400 this drink I was making. I think I've used it 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.840 twice since then. It's a huge bottle. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:06.760 I think it was the smallest bell I could find 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.359 and it was still really real large. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:15.120 Yeah, yeah, I certainly one of the types of bottles 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.760 of alcohol that I just sort of wind up collecting 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:24.040 dust with are orange liquors of various kinds, and I 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.519 think that I've got because when I was cleaning out 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:32.239 my grandmother's condo, I found deep buried in the back 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.760 of her China hutch a bunch of alcohol that's older 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:40.200 than I am by a solid twenty years. And most 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.920 of it was like cream liqueurs that you didn't know 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:49.400 that they made, which are really terrible, especially after say, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.760 sixty years, but a couple of them, like there was 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.840 like a bottle of whiskey that I've got to say, 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.679 was the nicest thing I think I've ever tasted, all 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.640 on opened, all on open. My Dad's out of the 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:08.280 family doesn't really drink that much. But among these, I 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.280 bring it up because there was a bottle, a blue 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.880 currosol in like the orange shaped, like the flat orange 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:21.560 shaped bottle, so impossibly blue and so very slightly more 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:27.880 nineteen sixties ish than even the bottles available today. Wow. Yeah, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.240 I regret to say that I did open it, And 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.360 I regret to say that because it tasted awful and 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.360 it was so pretty in the bottle that I'm kind 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:41.680 of like that. It was nicer as a prop yeah, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.400 as a piece of decor in my home, because then 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:51.440 I just dumped it, you know, but yeah, oh less 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.480 alas a lac. I believe I have photographs of it. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.360 Maybe I'll update our Instagram for the first time in 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.800 over two years. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:02.920 Today could be the day nobody knows. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.720 Nobody knows, not even us, mystery to us. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.840 All that's quite a fine. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.720 Yeah, yeah, I could see it working well as if 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.600 you've got a light behind it as a decoration. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.520 I mean, the ones they still sell are still outrageous 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:24.480 in color, you know. 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:31.880 Oh yes, but still it would have felt mm hmmmm. Well, listeners, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:37.080 let us know if you've ever made a discovery like that. Oh, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.640 you can see our gin episode I would say, yeah, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:48.000 kind of similar process. Yeah, other episodes that involved distilling oranges. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.840 Sure, I don't know what an episode that was. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.839 Other licore kind of things. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.880 Yes, yes, well, I guess that does bring us to 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.040 our question. Curusala cores. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:06.520 What are they? 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.560 Well? Curseliicors sometimes just called cursow are a category of 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.320 orange licors, which means in this case that they are 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.400 a distilled alcohol, sweetened and flavored traditionally with orange peel 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.000 and other spices. They can be made in different colors, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.120 though the typical ones are either clear or golden, you know, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:32.080 like kind of orange or this like bright ocean blue 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.520 at varying levels of ocean depth, I suppose, depending on 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.839 the brand. They can come in other colors too, like 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.000 deep green or bright red, though that's more historical than 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.080 current anyway. They tend to be bittersweet and citrusy, and 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.799 can run a little bit syrupy depending. The blue ones 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.159 are so blue that they will blueify any drink you 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.680 make with them. Cursow is typically served in cocktails as 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.560 like a non main ingredient. Yes, the blue is an 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.279 artificial color. Blue does not occur that often in nature 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.159 and tends to be unstable when it does so, like 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.640 fine for something that you're making in your own home, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.680 probably not good for putting. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:12.919 On a shelf. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.720 The orange taste can come from actual orange peels in 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.679 the distillation process or from natural or artificial orange flavors 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:28.360 added later. Specifically in either case, like sour bitter oranges 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.760 that have these like fragrant floral kind of flavors are traditional. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.440 Like many liqueurs that the gap that you're going to 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.279 find between the bottom shelf nine dollars bottle and like 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:45.560 a nice bottle that's sometimes somewhere over like three times 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.880 that price, the difference is going to be stark. But 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.080 it's a sweet, orangey liqueur with a little bit of 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.520 a bitter, powdery, spicy, floral kind of flavor to it. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.239 Like at its worst, you're kind of wondering how kool 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.720 aid got into your drink. But at its best, it's 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:11.880 like it's like catching a ray of sun through a 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:16.840 piece of stained glass that's shaped like an orange and 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:22.120 might be any number of colors. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.000 Oh, I love that. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.480 I don't think I've ever had like the good uh currousel, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.120 and I would like to try it. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:32.720 Yeah. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.960 Yeah, I also appreciated how many people made the same 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.200 joke of like, it looks blue, but it tastes orange. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.120 Uh huh yeah yeah, so yeah, it could come into any. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:52.680 Color though, can Yeah why not? Yeah so uh Cursso 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:58.400 the liqueur is named for the island country Curusow, which 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.000 is off the north coast of South And in the Caribbean. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.440 It's near Aruba, like northwest of Caracas. They have there 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.160 the subspecies of bitter orange called the Lauraja orange, which 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.360 is a small, sort of lumpy, very round orange, kind 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.800 of the size of more like a lemon or a lime. Traditionally, 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.600 when the fruits are mature but still green, they're harvested 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.600 and peeled. The peels are then sun dried, and then 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.440 they will be steamed or steeped into a neutral liqure 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.960 derived from sugar cane along with other spices, maybe some 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.000 vanilla or clove, and the resulting flavored liquor is sweetened 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:40.800 and bottled, maybe with color added. But that is how 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.920 cursow from Currosow is made. If it is made elsewhere, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:51.720 the process may vary. Producers are understandably cagey about their 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.080 ingredients and processes. But yeah, it can be used in 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.520 cocktails or can be consumed by itself in small glasses. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.200 Is like a parrotee for digestive perhaps the cup of coffee. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.880 Whoa, what about the nutrition? 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.840 Uh A? Drink responsibly. Also, we have been avoiding doing 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:19.800 an episode about food dyes because it's complicated. I mean, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.560 it's not that complicated, okay, So like very basically the 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.240 blue used to color blue crosol is an artificial color 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:32.320 derived in labs from petroleum products. That doesn't mean it's 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.360 terribly scary, like it's probably just fine. Most of it 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.800 just passes right on through you. Like of all the 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.760 things that might be giving you cancer right now, don't 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.840 worry about the food dye, Like worry about the alcohol 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:53.000 before you worry about the food dye. You know, wear sunscreen, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:54.199 eat a vegetable. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.920 Yeah, yeah. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.120 I think the issue with food dye is too that 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.640 we're going to have to tackle is the history of 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.520 this specific food dye. It could be in a whole episode, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.800 shorter episode, I think, but it could be a whole 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:11.560 episode on its own. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.360 And I think that that's true for most of them, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.440 probably because you know, they are all these proprietary products 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.200 that were produced in labs and have these kind of 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:27.120 fascinating origin stories behind them. But yeah, don't worry about it. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.800 Drink responsibly, yes, yes, that's yes. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.520 Well, speaking of I guess we've got kind of a 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.079 number slash friendly warning. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:42.720 Sure, yes, speaking of drinking responsibly, LA course like curso 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:48.640 can seriously range in percentage of alcohol by volume. Historically 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.439 they tended to be pretty high, so especially some more 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.240 traditional recipes or like boutique brands might really surprise you 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.560 with like a thirty percent plus ABV, but less expensive 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.720 ones are usually lower. But yeah, read your labels. That 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.880 also helps for cocktail making because you don't want to 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.000 totally overpower different flavors. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.280 Oh no, that would be terrible. Yeah, that would be 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:21.400 terrible in several ways. Yeah, another fun savor thing, savor motto. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.000 We could have read read your labels? 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.400 Uh huh yep, yeah, I recommend it. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.360 Yes, I do too, Even though it might it might 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:32.840 make you sad, it's better to know. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.160 I I do think it's better. No, personally, yeah, I. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:42.120 Think so too. Well, speaking of we do have quite 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:42.960 a history for you. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.640 We do, and we are going to get into that 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.520 as soon as we get back from a quick break 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:59.640 forward from our sponsors. And we're back, thank you, sponsor, Yes, 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:00.000 thank you. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:07.120 Okay. So, as always with these, the history of Cursow 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.720 is hard to get a handle on, and certainly some 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.520 of it has been lost to history in one way 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:13.480 or another. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:19.880 It's very complicated. But when the Spanish arrived on the 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:24.040 tropical Caribbean island of Currossow in fourteen ninety nine, they 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:29.280 immediately started colonizing it, including enslaving the indigenous people. They 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.640 also started trying to plant crops that they wanted to 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:32.640 grow on the island. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.400 Yeah, lots of it didn't go super well. They did 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.120 get some cattle and goats going, but I think most 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.720 of the crops kind of sort of failed. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:48.880 Yeah, and then the Dutch invaded Currosow in sixteen thirty four. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.560 The Dutch West India Company defeated Spain and took control 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.000 of the island, and they turned it into a major 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.840 hub for the trade of enslaved peoples. One of the 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.560 things the Spanish had tried to cultivate or oranges, but 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.760 the conditions weren't right. Records indicate that the Spanish had 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:13.120 transported the seeds of Valencia or possibly Seville oranges, depending 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.679 on the source, to the island in fifteen twenty seven. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.200 But they just never really took hold. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.839 Yeah. However, the Lajara oranges on the island are thought 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:29.240 to be wild descendants of these failed Spanish oranges. The 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.800 thing is, like, oranges don't grow true from seed. They're 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.040 not picky pollinators. They'll accept pollen from any citrus fruit 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.320 being grown in the area, which means that when the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.640 Spanish saved the seeds from oranges that they liked in 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.959 Europe and planted them and curs out the fruit from 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.319 the eventually resulting tree might have been closer to a 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.320 lemon or a lime or a grapefruit, or it might 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.880 have been a total mess. Like to get consistent citrus crops, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:14:00.640 farmers graft pieces of successfully fruiting branches onto existing citrus 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.880 tree trunks or roots. So anyway, Yeah, So, the theory 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.559 is that the citrus seeds that the Spanish plant had 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:12.720 failed to bear like juicy, sweet fruits, but the laureja 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.040 did turn out to have other desirable qualities. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.320 Yes, the fruit themselves were too bitter to eat, but 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.520 people found that the peel had this lovely smell when 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:25.760 broken or agitated. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.080 Yeah, those good orange oils. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.960 Yeah, Yes, And someone decided to use the oil from 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.200 the peel and distillation, something people had likely been doing 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.200 in their own homes. So, as per usual, the case 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.880 of who invented Curseow is really murky. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.800 Yeah, I couldn't find a really good source, but I 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.720 did read in a couple places, and it kind of 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:54.280 makes sense that, like, faced with these decidedly unfruity fruits, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.920 the people who lived there were like just trying to 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.920 come up with something to do with them, Like even 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.440 the goats wouldn't eat them, and they were like, so goats, 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.280 goats wouldn't need them. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:06.760 Oh no, I know. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.760 So, so the peals might have been incorporated into things 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.640 like medicine, and medicine was associated with liquor so. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.600 Yes, which brings us to the story of one of 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.640 the most well known brands, Senior and Company. All Right, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.200 the Dutch ships that attacked the island Currosow were also 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.160 carrying several Jewish families. Several other contingents of Jewish people 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.040 arrived over the years, largely fueled by promises of religious 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.640 freedom and economic opportunity. One such family was the Seniors. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.720 They had escaped Spanish persecution and eventually ended up in curzol. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.280 After a couple of generations had passed, in eighteen ninety six, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.760 Edgar Senior partnered with him Mendez Schumasero to establish Senior 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.880 and Company. They used the peals of the raha or 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.240 to distill a liquor that boasted a strong orange flavor. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.440 At first, they operated out of Boutika Excelsior, a drugstore 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.200 where Chumaso produced an at partief or digestive based on 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.040 his father's recipe. They called it Senior's Curse Out, which, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.280 by the way, I had a really funny misunderstanding where 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.480 I thought they called it seniors Curse Out because his 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:29.920 dad was a senior. No, because of Edgar Senior's name. Anyway, Uh, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.880 they called it. They called it Senior's curis Altnic, but 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:38.120 changed the name to Senior's Cursel Liquoru. Kumisarro's widow kept 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.600 making small batches of the stuff after his death in 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.080 nineteen hundred, but it didn't really go commercial until nineteen 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:50.600 forty five, when like a bunch of companies and people 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.840 came together and it was incorporated and the company that 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.440 was form purchased the recipe from the widow and they 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.280 set up shop in a plantation house nineteen forty six, 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.080 which I understand you can still visit, listeners, please let 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.360 us know, yeah if you've ever been and done the tour, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.640 because yeah, they're still around and as a currosow produced 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.159 in Currosou, the US has given them some allowances around 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.800 the usage affords like authentic. On their labels, they call 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:28.440 their product the genuine Currosow, the Core, so you've got them. 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.680 But we also have to mention the brand Bulls. And 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.320 here's a very abbreviated history as it pertains to Curasou 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:40.399 and this company. In fifteen seventy five, the Bolsiest family 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.919 opened a distillery in Amsterdam or on the outskirts of 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.680 it near water, since distilling in the city center was 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.040 prohibited at the time. Historians think they also fled Spanish 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.959 religious persecution and settled in Amsterdam, where they shortened their 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.400 name to Bulls so it sounded more Dutch. There's some 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.320 argument about when they actually started distilling, but it was 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.199 round about fifteen seventy five or a. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.359 Few decades later. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.880 Bowls frequently worked with the Dutch East India Trading Company 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.040 and was one of their shareholders, and this meant that 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.360 they got access to a lot of the urban spices 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.920 the company sent to Amsterdam from all around the world. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.720 Bowls in turn supplied them with their spirits, which the 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:29.360 company drank themselves but also distributed around the world. There 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.280 isn't concrete evidence of when Bulls started making curse ow 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:40.159 yep nope, which is also like their website was a 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.639 little wonky for me to navigate, and that could be 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.960 because I'm in the US. But according to them, cursow 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.240 made its way to Europe soon after it was being 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.720 made on the island, and they had access to these 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.360 orange feels and the oil already from trade, so presumably 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:03.320 the early nineteen hundreds. Some sources put it way earlier, though, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.320 but not that many that I could find, But some 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:06.800 some do. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:08.760 I don't know. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.080 Yeah, no, I don't think any true. I don't think 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.879 anybody does. If anybody does, I. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:15.800 Love to hear about it. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:22.520 Yeah, yes, which does bring us to blue curse ow okay, okay, 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.359 al so difficult to pin down. Many do give credit 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.360 to the Dutch company Bowls with coming up with what 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.160 they called Cream of the Sky and nineteen twelve as 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.920 a gimmick to make prettier cocktails by dying curs out Blue. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.000 According to the company, they've been making it since the 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.440 nineteen twenties. However, fun they can't prove either of these 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:51.400 things really. The others say it was instead invented by 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:56.720 Senior Cursou, though they say they didn't start producing it 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.520 until the nineteen sixties. By the nineteen twenties, so mentions 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.720 of not only blue Currosow, but cursews of many colors 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.560 started popping up, though Blue seems to have always been 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:14.439 the most popular front runner. Whatever company first started producing it, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.560 it was almost certainly a marketing stunt, and at first 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:23.280 its usage was largely relegated to beachside vacation cocktails. And 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.280 in fact, that's why some people think the blue took 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.480 off is because it reminded people of the blue sky 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:32.199 and the blue yeah shreluewater. At the same time, the 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.920 US was seeing a rise in tiki culture and restaurants 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.840 with establishments like Trader Vicks, and a lot of these 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.600 places offered cocktails that were going for that beachy vibe, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:46.320 and plenty of them used blue Currosow. The product got 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.880 another booze, perhaps in the nineteen sixties, with the release 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.880 of the Elvis Presley movie Blue Hawaii because the blue 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.600 Hawaiian cocktail gets its bright blue coloring flom blue currosow. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.879 But then along came the overly sweet cocktail chins of 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.360 the seventies and eighties, which we've talked about a lot. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.600 Blue cursow is no. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.040 Longer confined to these vacation cocktails and spaces, but it 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:18.879 was added into all kinds of things. But again, soon 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.199 enough it had overstayed its welcome. As the nineties came 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.439 along and the craft cocktail movement got underway and blue 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:30.960 currosow was banished back to vacation s spaces, it became 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.480 somewhat derided, though there are there have been a handful 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.879 of attempts to make a more natural blue cursow. But 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.960 like you said, Lauren, usually the problem is you have 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.240 to drink it pretty quickly. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.160 Yeah. Yeah, you can't really bottle and sell it for 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.520 use a few months from now. It's kind of a 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:50.800 yeah yep. 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:56.159 These days, the blue dyeing question is largely Brilliant Blue FCF, 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.520 which yes, I would love to do a whole episode. 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:04.080 Maybe I'm maybe I'll kick myself later when the episode comes. Yeah, 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:06.360 Brilliant blue FC. 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:07.320 What a name. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.080 And to celebrate four hundred and fifty years of operation. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:17.240 On April fifteenth, twenty twenty five, Bowls unveiled Bowls Blue 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.919 fifteen seventy five, a premium blue curse out and it 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.080 was a whole thing. It had a lot of fanfare, 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.520 a lot of press releases. I couldn't find it in 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.719 the US. I think I could still find it in 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:31.919 the UK for sale. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:38.439 Yeah, Bowls in general, I'm oh man, I'm saying this 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.960 on the fly. I feel like whenever I see it 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.719 in the United States, it is one of those extreme 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:48.640 bottom shelf kind of options. I don't think they import 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.720 or export the I don't think they bring their nice 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:57.040 stuff here. But I'm not totally I haven't really looked 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:58.720 into it. So here we are. 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:05.520 Yeah, another question to follow up on later, perhaps, yes, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:13.720 but that's that's about the end of our history. Outline listeners. 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.040 If you have been on tours of any of these places. 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.119 Oh yeah, yeah. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:23.720 If you have any any recipes or recommendations. 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.879 Uh huh, any requests to in fact follow up on 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:27.960 any of these potential wrab holes. 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.000 Yes, please let us know. But I think that's what 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.639 we have to say about cursow from now it is. 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.800 We do already have some listener mail for you, though, 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:38.320 and we are going to get into that as soon 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.080 as we get back from one more quick break for 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:52.480 a word from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:53.000 thank you. 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:55.680 And we're back with the listener. 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:08.159 May I speche Oh yeah, I got confused at the 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.119 end there. I wasn't sure where you were going. But 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.680 so that the wind in my head. Oh okay, okay, 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.240 that's what I was doing. Could be Yeah, that's it is, 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:21.680 waving in the wind. I think so or something. See 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:23.800 what super producer. 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.360 And yeah, well weigh in it. 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.199 Yeah, he is very kind to us, y'all. When we 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.600 really fail, when we exter fail to harmonize, that's when 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:34.199 he steps in. 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:40.760 Yes, he's ready, and he's a pro he is. We're 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.800 grateful for him every day. Absolutely. Oh my goodness. Yes, 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:46.520 all right. 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.280 Uh, Joe wrote you asked for pasta salad recipes, So 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:55.359 here's my mom's recipe. Cold sweet mayo based pasta salad 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.320 is popular in the Philippines around Christmas, though it can 0:24:58.440 --> 0:24:59.200 pop up at. 0:24:59.080 --> 0:24:59.960 Parties year round. 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.560 It probably came to the Philippines after World War two 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.280 and was quickly adapted to Filipino taste. I'll be honest, 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.040 it's not my favorite. If I want something cold and 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.679 sweet at a party, I'll go for dessert rather than 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.000 a pasta salad. However, my mom is fond of it 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.080 and usually takes some home and makes her own when 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:22.080 she's craving it. As usual, no measurements are used, so 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.879 just add ingredients to your taste. She uses cooked elbow macaroni, 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:31.120 dice carrots, diced apples, diced cheddar cheese, and enough mayo 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.359 just to coat everything. Season with salt, pepper and a 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:37.080 dash of sugar. If you want to add meat, shred 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.280