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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A young tech visionary is stabbed dead brutally literally on

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Speaker 2: Main Street.

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Speaker 1: How did this happen? And why? I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: in Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, I want

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Speaker 2: you to take a listen to our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 3: Police say Lee was attacked not far from the Bay

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Speaker 3: Bridge at two thirty five am Tuesday. The area, thought

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Speaker 3: to be a safe part of the city, is dotted

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Speaker 3: with surveillance cameras. Before collapsing on a sidewalk, Lee screamed

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Speaker 3: for help on his phone, saying someone stabbed me. According

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Speaker 3: to surveillance footage and records reviewed by the San Francisco Standard.

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Speaker 4: These images, obtained by The Daily Mail, chouf tech exec

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Speaker 4: Bobb Lee stumbling along Main Street in San Francisco's Rincon

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Speaker 4: Hill neighborhood. You see him through the front glass doors

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Speaker 4: of the port Side apartment building. He attempts to use

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Speaker 4: the call box, then falls to the ground. Sources say

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Speaker 4: he had two stab wounds in his upper left chest.

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Speaker 4: He was on the ground for about ten seconds before

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Speaker 4: standing up. We now know he was walking towards a

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Speaker 4: police car. Minutes later, Lee died at the scene. We

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Speaker 4: have some leads to follow up on.

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Speaker 5: I can't disclose what those are now it's early on

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Speaker 5: an investigation, but I'm hopeful and I'm very confident.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what this guy is going through. We

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Speaker 2: know he has two gorgeous little girls he's raising. He

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Speaker 2: has had an incredible rise and meteoric rise in the

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Speaker 2: tech industry, as I said.

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Speaker 1: A visionary. And in those moments.

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Speaker 2: After he stabbed multiple times, he's staggering up and down

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Speaker 2: the streets trying to get help, but there is no help.

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Speaker 2: As you heard, this is in the exclusive runcon area

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Speaker 2: there the City by the Bay, and I've thought about

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Speaker 2: this over and over because my memories of this area

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Speaker 2: are all good. We've got an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But first

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Speaker 2: I want to go to chief investigative reporter for Dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot Com, Jen Smith.

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Speaker 1: Joining us.

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Speaker 2: Jen, thank you for being with us. See my memories,

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Speaker 2: which are very recent, are all good of this area.

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Speaker 2: I never miss a chance to get the twins and

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Speaker 2: walk across all the way across and back the Golden

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Speaker 2: Gate Bridge and sometimes Jen, you can't see eight feet

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Speaker 2: in front of you because of the fog that rolls

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Speaker 2: in over the city.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And I remember before we had the twins, one time

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Speaker 2: my husband and I stayed there and we were staying

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Speaker 2: at the top of some hotel. I think it was

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Speaker 2: the Mark I can't remember anymore.

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Speaker 1: But David said Quicklyick, good, come out here.

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Speaker 2: Look, And we went out on the balcony and you

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Speaker 2: could see the city from up there looking down, and

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Speaker 2: then the fog came in off the bay and it

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Speaker 2: slowly covered the hole. You could watch it rolling over

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Speaker 2: the city and you could see no more buildings, rooftops,

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Speaker 2: nothing with that thick fog off the bay and the

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Speaker 2: cool breeze coming in, and the twins and I have

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Speaker 2: spent days going up and down the heels of Chinatown,

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Speaker 2: going in every dim sun, every thing we could find,

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Speaker 2: every tea company, every fortune cookie.

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Speaker 1: Company, and just having the best time.

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Speaker 2: This has brought so much higher in scrutiny on the

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Speaker 2: city that someone could be stabbed literally.

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Speaker 1: In playing view on Main Street. What happened?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I mean everything you just said is right, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: And it has brought so much added negative attention to

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Speaker 6: San Francisco, and to this particular neighborhood in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the neighborhood, because I don't know that well.

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Speaker 6: Mission you know, Main Street, near Mission Street, downtown exclusive,

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Speaker 6: We're talking luxury apartment buildings, nice coffee shopped, restaurant stars.

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Speaker 6: San Francisco we all know over the last few years

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Speaker 6: has received a lot of bad press, but some of

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Speaker 6: the not so night parts of the time, this isn't

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Speaker 2: Okay, now wait a minute, Jen, guys with me, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of this case that we have learned is

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Speaker 2: because of exclusive footage and photos obtained by dailymail dot com.

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Speaker 1: See, I didn't see any of that.

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Speaker 2: And I've been going there forever because my sister is

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Speaker 1: But this last time.

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Speaker 2: We went spent so much time downtown, Jen, was during

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Speaker 2: COVID and there was nobody anywhere. It was deserted, so

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Speaker 2: I didn't see any of what you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Tell me, well, I think it's no secret that many

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Speaker 6: major cities New York included San Francisco. Another one that

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Speaker 6: you know, rising crime, especially since COVID, a lot of

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Speaker 6: things have changed. So this attack, a brutal attack in

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Speaker 6: an area that was, like you described, beautiful, nice part

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Speaker 6: You know, how could something like this happen seemingly at

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Speaker 6: random to an innocent.

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Speaker 7: Father of two.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about what Jen Smith or Daily

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Speaker 2: Mail is saying.

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Speaker 1: At first, I want to go to JAREDT.

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Speaker 2: Fiarentino, homicide prosecutor out of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Jared, thank you so much for being with.

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Speaker 8: Us, My pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It's I can't state that.

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Speaker 2: Why it's disturbing so many people that this tech juru

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Speaker 2: is stabbed in on Main Street. But I think what's

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Speaker 2: shocking everyone so much is it's out of the norm.

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Speaker 2: For instance, we say, oh, that's a high crime area.

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Speaker 2: My husband told me the other day he was going

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Speaker 2: to have a business lunch on I'll think of it's

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Speaker 2: a really funny krag KRG krog Street.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, don't cancel that, don't go there, you go

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Speaker 1: what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 7: Said?

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Speaker 2: Prosecuted so many aggravated assaults and homicide rapes on Crog

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Speaker 1: Don't go there. That's crazy talk. Who set that up?

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Speaker 2: Well, since the time I prosecuted, it's been all gentrified.

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Speaker 2: There's all these cool coffee shops and restaurants. The point

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Speaker 2: is when we hear that a murder occurred in a

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Speaker 2: low or no crime area, everybody shocked. But crime is everywhere,

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Fiorentino. That's what people don't understand, including this fancy area,

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Speaker 2: high floutine area of the city by the Bay.

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Speaker 8: It is everywhere. There's a tolerance, nancy for regions where

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Speaker 8: we call high crime areas, but it is always shocking

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Speaker 8: when you see something so violent and it's stabbing. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 8: this is at a shooting. This is a very very

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Speaker 8: close act, a very violent act, multiple stabbings. It's intentional,

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Speaker 8: and the fear is that anyone in that community can

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Speaker 8: now become a victim. And that's why it's so shocking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I liked everything you just said. I cannot even

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Speaker 2: argue with him. Okay, that part I don't like. But

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Speaker 2: what you just said to Doctor John Delatory, joining US

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Speaker 2: licensed psychologist and mediator. He specializes in forensic psychology. You

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Speaker 2: can find him on TikTok at Doctor John, Doctor John.

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Speaker 2: What he just said about stabbing, and we talked about

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Speaker 2: this in depth with the slang of those four beautiful,

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Speaker 2: vibrant University Idaho students stabbing, and I learned this as

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Speaker 2: a prosecutor. It's a whole different animal than shooting somebody

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Speaker 2: at a distance of even three feet five feet ten

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Speaker 2: you're not up close and personal with your victim.

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Speaker 1: Stabbing is a whole different psychopathy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it absolutely is. It's one of those things where

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Speaker 9: it's more intimate, right, You get up close with someone

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Speaker 9: and you can feel the life draining out of them

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Speaker 9: as you continue to stab them. So this is someone

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Speaker 9: who has a very personal vendetta against the victim, that's

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Speaker 9: willing to walk up to someone and.

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Speaker 6: Do this kind of act.

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Speaker 9: Because it's also physically exhausting, So you've got to be

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Speaker 9: determined to do this act.

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Speaker 2: And there were multiple stab wounds here, either two or three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was no way this guy was going

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Speaker 2: to walk away alive. IRV Brandt joining me, Senior Inspector

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Speaker 2: I haven't read Bluestone yet, but I'm going to IRV Brant.

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Speaker 2: What Jarrett Farantino just said that we quote tolerate crime

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Speaker 1: I don't tolerate crime anywhere. But we're not numb.

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Speaker 2: But we're not what shocked when we hear about a murder,

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Speaker 2: an agassault, a rape in a high crime area because

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Speaker 2: we are conditioned to believe that. But in a let

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Speaker 2: me just say, fancy, influential, prestigious area like this, we

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Speaker 2: are shot because it never happens.

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Speaker 10: That's correct, Nancy. And just like the prosecutor said, And

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Speaker 10: I live in Las Vegas, and if this sort of

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Speaker 10: It's all over the news. And it happened on the

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Speaker 10: west end of Las Vegas, where people buy drugs and

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Speaker 10: things like that, not so much. The news coverage wouldn't

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Speaker 1: It's one thing if somebody dies.

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Speaker 2: In the area where there's hookers and drugs, that life

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Speaker 2: is no more or less important than if somebody stabbed

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Speaker 2: in the lobby of the very expensive Wind hotel. That's correct,

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Speaker 2: but we're more shocked because it is so rare in

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 10: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's a wow factor if

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Speaker 10: someone gets stabbed while they're watching the Fountain show in

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Speaker 10: front of the Blagio.

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Speaker 1: You mean like in Ocean's eleven.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that could have been me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's psychology.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because I believe doctor John

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Speaker 2: Delatory and everybody jump in. Do I have to tell you?

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Speaker 2: This is not high t at windsor Castle with King Charles.

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Speaker 2: All right, jump in, let's brainstorm on this. It could

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Speaker 2: have been me factor. I think that's why when people

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Speaker 1: The Eliza Fletcher case.

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Speaker 2: The young teacher out of Memphis, she had two or

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Speaker 2: three children, a little, preschool aged children and younger. He

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Speaker 2: went jogging at four am and she was brutally attacked,

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Speaker 2: raped and murdered by a repeat offender that had an

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Speaker 2: outstanding rape He was out wandering free. Everyone said, Oh,

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Speaker 2: why was she out jogging at four am?

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Speaker 1: Why it's her fault? It was dark? Why was she out? Well,

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Speaker 2: And I think people say that not because they're ill

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Speaker 2: that's never going to happen to me, and they continue

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Speaker 1: Doctor delatory.

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Speaker 2: It makes them feel they can go through life feeling

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Speaker 2: just like this guy, Bobby was not safe because it's.

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Speaker 9: The threat that you are never taken into account. So

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Speaker 9: in some ways it's a threat that comes from someone

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Speaker 9: a complete stranger because you're not prepared for something like that.

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Speaker 9: There's a comfort nature when it comes to routine, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering to doctor Miniesha Pandy, renowned pathologists, the

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Speaker 2: thank you for taking time to be with us. I'm

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Speaker 2: just imagining what Bob Lee. I mean, did he think

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Speaker 1: In his last moments? I know he had time to think.

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Speaker 2: In this case, Bob Lee had time to suffer. He

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Speaker 11: So, yes, you're right, he did have some time to think.

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Speaker 2: Moment by moment, it's harder and harder, more difficult for

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Speaker 2: Chief investigator reporter deallymail dot com. The video, doesn't it

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Speaker 6: There was, Yeah, he was staggering towards what we now

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Speaker 1: Of his I'm just imagining that.

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Speaker 1: Where he can't take another breath. You can't say what

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Speaker 2: I don't understand this blood pattern at all, And she said,

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Speaker 2: I think she's the word aspirate. There was a fine

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Speaker 11: That's what happens is you're getting stabbed in the lungs.

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Speaker 2: I understand with this stabbing first occurred, there's so much

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Speaker 2: Why because stabbings happen every day and seemingly nobody cares well.

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Speaker 3: The father of two who had recently moved to Miami

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Speaker 3: Lee was the most incredible and beautiful human being. He

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Speaker 12: It's gonna be hard to imagine a world where you

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Speaker 3: This morning, the high profile murder of a tech pioneer

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Speaker 2: A visionary, a tech guru, and there's more tech. A

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Speaker 13: He's been described as that person that everyone wants to

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Speaker 13: In twenty ten, Square recruited Lee to become at CTO

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Speaker 2: So this is the guy that created cash app. It's

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Speaker 2: take a listen hour cut four, Rob Nesbit Kron.

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Speaker 14: Lee had a successful career in tech as a founder

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Speaker 14: condolences to Lee's friends and family who are trying to

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Speaker 15: I can't imagine anyone targeting Bob. He was not a

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Speaker 2: Joining right now is our own tech guru, Ben Levitan,

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Speaker 2: him at Benlevetan dot com. You know, Ben, I've admired

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Speaker 2: You see the world in code like a seer, a

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Speaker 1: Is it a different mindset?

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Speaker 2: And how did somebody like Bob Lee rise to the

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Speaker 16: It's really thanks for that intro. That's the best intro

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Speaker 16: I've ever had, Nancy, thank you. The fact is, you know,

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Speaker 16: with the engineers. But Bob Lee's magic or what made

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Speaker 16: That's why Apple's been so successful. It's very very simple.

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Speaker 16: going to record the two parties who were doing the transaction.

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Speaker 16: It's going to have their mobile phone numbers. There's going

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Speaker 16: to be so much evidence right there.

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Speaker 2: So you just put that in a way it even

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Speaker 2: a literature major can understand. Okay, So who would do

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Speaker 2: this thing to attack Guru, a visionary node around the

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Speaker 2: world and a father of two, I might add, take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our cutd.

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Speaker 13: Just after two am Tuesday morning, Bob Lee called police.

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Speaker 13: He was near San Francisco's Bay Bridge. He reportedly yelled

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Speaker 13: into his phone, help someone stabbed me. Surveillance footage showed

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Speaker 13: Lee struggling to walk up a city street. He tried

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Speaker 13: to wave down a white cameray with its hazard lights on.

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Speaker 13: The camera drives away and Lee collapses on the ground.

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Speaker 13: Six minutes later, the police arrive and Lee is unconscious

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Speaker 13: and bleeding uncontrollably. Lee has been stabbed three times, once

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Speaker 13: in the hip and twice in the chest.

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Speaker 2: So now a mystery car emerges, a car that speeds

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Speaker 2: away when Lee circles back to it.

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Speaker 1: Why uh. Here's more from our friends.

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Speaker 3: At NBC Doherty's calling it a planned and deliberate attack.

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Speaker 17: There is evidence regarding motive that has been located in

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Speaker 17: this case, but certainly we have to make sure that

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Speaker 17: we look at every avenue.

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Speaker 3: This video, obtained by the Dailymail dot Com shows Lee

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Speaker 3: staggering away after the attack. Police later found a text

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Speaker 3: message from Kazar Momenty on Lee's phone. Just wanted to

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Speaker 3: make sure you're doing okay because I know Nima came

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Speaker 3: way down hard on you, and thank you for being

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Speaker 3: such a classy man handling it with class. Love you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it looks like yet again, ben Levitan is right.

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Speaker 2: The cops are combing through Lee's cell phone, his pings,

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Speaker 2: following him through the evening.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Let me understand, Jens Smith Daily Dailymail dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: He was now.

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Speaker 2: He had moved to Miami. His two children, his two

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Speaker 2: little girls were there. His ex wife's there. They're raising

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Speaker 2: the children together, his father, very very close relationship with

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Speaker 2: the father who also moves to Miami to be with

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Speaker 2: Bobb Lee.

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Speaker 1: He comes back to San Francisco for a tech conference. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all of.

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Speaker 6: That is exactly right. He lived in the Bay Area,

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Speaker 6: a suburb Actulega, north of San Francisco for some time,

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Speaker 6: and then late last year, I think it was the

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Speaker 6: fall of twenty twenty two, Bobbly moved his whole family

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Speaker 6: to Miami. That's including his ex wife and his father, Ben.

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Speaker 2: Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. Ben, we

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Speaker 2: learned that in this very ritzy area there are cams everywhere,

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Speaker 2: surveillance cameras, rings, all sorts of surveillance, and that is

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Speaker 2: how we get some of the video we see of

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Speaker 2: him staggering around for help as he's bleeding out. But

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Speaker 2: you say, texts and pinging and following the trail of

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Speaker 2: where he was that night, went out on the town

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day after the conference let

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Speaker 2: out can give us so much more information. Now, I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you about surveillance video cams. Do they

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Speaker 2: still tape over themselves like at the end of seventy

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Speaker 2: two hours like they did in the Chandra Levy case.

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Speaker 16: It depends on how much you're spending on this technology.

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Speaker 16: A lot of them do overright, But memory is so

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Speaker 16: cheap nowadays, and if you're just recording low resolution like

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Speaker 16: what we saw in the Daily Mail video that's very

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Speaker 16: low resolution. You could keep that for years. But you

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Speaker 16: know what's critical was the twenty four hours prior and

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Speaker 16: everybody's going to happen. There's so much more than video.

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Speaker 16: Every time you walk around with your phone, you're leaving

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Speaker 16: digital footprints all over the place. So certainly in that

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Speaker 16: office lobby, they know everybody who came near that building.

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Speaker 16: So those would be perpetrators, those would be suspects, and

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Speaker 16: those would be with potential witnesses. Digital evidence gives us

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Speaker 16: three things. Who was at this, who is at the scene,

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Speaker 16: and those are potential suspects. Yes, those are potential witnesses,

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Speaker 16: and that's the most important thing. People may have walked

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Speaker 16: by and didn't even know what was going on. Someone

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Speaker 16: may have seen someone running away from Bob Lee and

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Speaker 16: thought nothing of it. And when the police pull up

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Speaker 16: their footprint.

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Speaker 5: Tho say yes.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, Bean Leavittain, we really see this

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Speaker 2: kind of evidence come to the Forefront and the Idaho

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Speaker 2: students because the prime suspect, Bryan Coburger's phone shows him

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Speaker 2: in the area repeatedly, and then the night of the murders,

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Speaker 2: he conveniently turns off or puts into airplane motors phone

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Speaker 2: and then it picks up right after the murders around

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Speaker 2: four thirty AM, leaving the crime scene, and you can

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Speaker 2: follow his trail. So Beilevitan telecommunications expert is right now

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Speaker 2: looking at the victim, Bob Lee's texts and messages. A

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Speaker 2: name emerges and boy does it take a listen hour

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Speaker 2: cut eight CBS.

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Speaker 7: These haunting security camera images posted by London's Daily Mail

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Speaker 7: show the final moments of Bobly's life, and tonight police

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Speaker 7: say that brutal stabbing was not a random attack.

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Speaker 5: We can confirm that mister Lee and Missimomenti knew each other.

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Speaker 7: San Francisco's police chief says thirty eight year old Nima Momeni,

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Speaker 7: who owns a tech company, was arrested this morning in

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Speaker 7: the suburb of Emeryville and booked on one charge of murder.

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Speaker 7: Officers can rented him with bullhorns. Law enforcement did not

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Speaker 7: give details or a motive for the killing.

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Speaker 2: Hold on Nima Momeni, a tech company owner, Well, that's

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Speaker 2: a bunch of bes, you know, a bunch of bs.

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Fiorentino, homicide prosecutor. That's a technical legal term, but

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Speaker 2: there's really no other way to put it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have a Latin phrase for that.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers could throw around in the courtroom. But Jen Smith,

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Speaker 2: he's not a successful tech owner. Didn't he lie about

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Speaker 2: graduating from Berkeley?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about MOMIENI he sure did.

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Speaker 6: He would love the world to think, or at one stag,

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Speaker 6: he would have loved the world to think that he

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Speaker 6: was as high flying tech executive. We're not talking about

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Speaker 6: the kind of success that Bobbly enjoyed though. That's not

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Speaker 6: had a small shop.

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Speaker 1: He worked out of his apartment.

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Speaker 6: He worked out of his apartment. That's correct. He has

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Speaker 6: an IT domain name. I would say it best. That's

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Speaker 6: about as far as it goes at the moment. That's

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Speaker 6: what we know. Anyway, he had lied about his college education.

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Speaker 6: He said he went to Berkeley. Berkeley says he did not.

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Speaker 6: And really the rest of his life is somewhat of

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Speaker 6: a mystery. But like you say, he was working out

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Speaker 6: of his apartment in Emeryville, which is but five miles

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Speaker 6: from where the attack took place.

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Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with working out of your apartment

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Speaker 2: or home. Many people do it, especially since COVID. But

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Speaker 2: to lie about it? Doctor John Delatory, joining US psychologists

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Speaker 2: and mediator specializing in forensic psychology. Why do people have

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Speaker 2: to lie about it? Who cares if you work out

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Speaker 2: of your place, you're loft, Nobody cares? But why lie

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Speaker 2: about it? Nobody cares where you went to college. Great,

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Speaker 2: they may care for a minute when you're trying to

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Speaker 2: get your first job, but.

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Speaker 1: Then after that, why lie about it? Doctor Delatory?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, because you have a high impression manager. Just because

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Speaker 9: the world doesn't look at you as being somewhat important,

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Speaker 9: that doesn't mean that you don't view the world as

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Speaker 9: needing you to be important. So of course you're gonna lie,

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Speaker 9: and in course you're gonna embellish if you believe that

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Speaker 9: the world is going to judge you in ways you

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Speaker 9: don't want to be judged.

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Speaker 2: You know, I came off of red dirt road, drinking

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Speaker 2: well water. I don't know how somebody like me managed

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Speaker 2: to worm my way into Valdosta College and then Mercy

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Speaker 2: University and then NYU.

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Speaker 1: It's a miracle.

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Speaker 2: I've always been amazed at people that lie about everything

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Speaker 2: to do with their background. But there's more at play here.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen now, our cut seven. This is Brooke Jenkins.

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Speaker 2: And remember the DA has endeared a real hail storm

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Speaker 2: because of the crime in this area. This wants wonderful,

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Speaker 2: beautiful area. It's now home. It's drenched in crime. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know why the mayor is brading and crowing. Hey,

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Speaker 2: this wasn't a homeless person that committed the crime, lady.

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Speaker 2: They committed a crime on Main Street and nobody would

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Speaker 2: help this guy.

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Speaker 1: It's crime ridden. Listen to this.

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Speaker 17: While in some cases we do immediately have a suspect

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Speaker 17: that was not the situation here, as a result of

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Speaker 17: their hard work, mister Lee's killer has been identified, arrested,

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Speaker 17: and now will be brought to justice. I am here

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Speaker 17: today to formally announce the charges against mister Nima Momeni

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Speaker 17: for the murder.

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Speaker 1: Of Bob Lee.

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Speaker 17: The specific charges that we are filing today include murder

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Speaker 17: in violation of Penal Code Section one eighty seven, as

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Speaker 17: well as a special allegation also known as an enhancement,

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Speaker 17: alleging that this murder was committed with a knife.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why it's an enhancement if anybody on the

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Speaker 2: panel knows, unless they're trying to curb knife violence. And

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Speaker 2: speaking of knives. Jan Smith, investigative reporter, dailymail dot Com.

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Speaker 2: This guy MoManI has a history with knives. Explain that

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Speaker 2: little matter regarding a switch blade.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he sure does.

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Speaker 1: We know know that.

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Speaker 6: In two thousand and eleven, Nima MoManI was charged with

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Speaker 6: attacking a woman with a switch blade. Obviously this came

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Speaker 6: to light after his arrest in the ball Blee case.

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Speaker 6: I know, speaking of the knife in this case, fancy,

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Speaker 6: we're not talking about a switchblade. We're talking about kitchen knife,

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Speaker 6: a large one. That is what police say he used

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Speaker 6: to attack ball.

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Speaker 1: Bleade kitchen knife.

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Speaker 2: But he before that had a history of trying to

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Speaker 2: sell an illegal switchblade.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's absolutely right. This guy has a long history

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Speaker 6: with violence, clearly specifically associated with knife.

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Speaker 2: Well, the evidence is largely electronic, and Bean Leavitan is

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Speaker 2: right about that. And I know, Jarrett Farantino, you love

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Speaker 2: electronic evidence, digital evidence, because it doesn't lie like an

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Speaker 2: eyewitness may have had bad vision and left their glasses

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Speaker 2: at home, not so a digital information. Take listen, how

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Speaker 2: we're cutting nine from our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 3: The moments before, during, and after the murder of Bob

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Speaker 3: Lee were recorded on surveillance cameras and help detectives track

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Speaker 3: down their suspect. According to court documents, the tech Titans

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Speaker 3: relationship with this woman, Kauzar Momenti, may have been the

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Speaker 3: reason her brother Nima Momeni killed the forty three year old.

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Speaker 1: Is mister Lee's.

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Speaker 3: Relationship with the suspect's sister a major part of this case.

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Speaker 17: His relationship with the suspects sister is certainly the connection

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Speaker 17: it appears between the two and so that is something

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Speaker 17: that's very important to this investigation.

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Speaker 1: In a Nutsheale Gentsmith for forty run out of time?

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Speaker 2: Why would Mamini kill Bob Lee over Mamini's sister. She's

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Speaker 2: married to a very successful, well known plastic surgeon in

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Speaker 2: that area.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's all now emerging that friends who were close

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Speaker 6: to Bob Ley and Kazarmamenny, the glamorous sister, they believed

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Speaker 6: that the pair were having a romantic relationship. And it

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Speaker 6: gets darker than that. There is a suggestion that Kauzarmahmeni

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Speaker 6: was using drugs. She had a drug problem that she

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Speaker 6: was hiding.

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Speaker 1: You mean the sister, the sister.

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Speaker 6: Kauzarmuhmeny, Yes, the sister. There is a suggestion that she

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Speaker 6: had a drug problem, she was hiding from her husband,

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Speaker 6: and that she was perhaps artying with Lee. On the

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Speaker 6: day before the murder, Her brother, Nina, older than her,

658
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 6: didn't like obviously that she was engaging in this type

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Speaker 6: of behavior. He, we know, questioned Bob Lee about it

660
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 6: hours before the stabbing. He wanted to know the extent

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00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 6: of their relationship, and he wanted to know from Lee

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00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 6: whether or not his sister had been getting into anything

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Speaker 6: that wasn't exactly proper, should we say. Bobly assures Nima

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Speaker 6: Muhmeni that his sister Kazar, this woman that he is

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Speaker 6: apparently having affair with, was not using drugs, that everything

666
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Speaker 6: was fine. That speaks to the text message that was

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00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 6: discovered on Bobby's phone from the sister.

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Speaker 1: What happens after.

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Speaker 6: That, Nanci, We're not exactly sure, but clearly it set

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Speaker 6: Nima Momani's brother into a very violent rage.

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Speaker 2: Jared Fiorentino, homicide Prosecutor of Pennsylvania Number one. The state

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Speaker 2: never ever has to prove the motive under the law.

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Speaker 2: It's a practical matter. The jury wants to hear what

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Speaker 2: the motive would be, and I'm very curious about this

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Speaker 2: whole the way this whole thing went down, because Jarrett Ferentino,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't wash with me that these two had been

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Speaker 2: going to restaurants and bars or whatever since the tech

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Speaker 2: conference got out that day, you know, hitting the town

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Momonia gets mad and

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Speaker 2: stabs him dead.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't quite ring true to me.

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Speaker 8: Well, if you were shaping up here, is that it's

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Speaker 8: looking like MOMENTI was playing the role of the protective

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Speaker 8: big brother. The speculation is that Lee may have been

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Speaker 8: involved in procuring some kind of narcotics for Tina is

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Speaker 8: her nickname, Nima's sister, and that may be what triggered

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Speaker 8: him When he discovered that Lee had been involved in

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Speaker 8: procuring narcotics for Tina and he's playing the big brother.

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Speaker 8: They get into an argument, they being Nima and Bob,

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Speaker 8: and the stabbing ensues. But like you said, the fact

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Speaker 8: that they're out on the town having dinner, traveling in

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Speaker 8: the same social circles over the course of that evening

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Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily jive with it exploding into a violent conflict.

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Speaker 2: You know the old phrase, Jerif Farantina, Sticks and stones

695
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

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Speaker 2: The reality is, I don't care what they argued about.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what Mamini thought. He stabbed the guy,

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Speaker 2: an unarmed victim, dead, and left him to stagger around

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Speaker 2: this exclusive area to die, begging for help from a

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Speaker 2: car and passers by.

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Speaker 1: Nobody would help him. He knew he was dying, he

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Speaker 1: was spinning up blood. I don't care what they talked about.

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Speaker 1: This is murder, and it's murder one.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we know that a continuance has

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Speaker 2: been granted to the defense for an arrayment, and the

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Speaker 2: defendant remains behind bars.

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Speaker 1: As he should. We wait as just as some poles.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,