WEBVTT - John Chapman’s Dark Night

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<v Speaker 1>Bushkin. It was March fourth, two thousand and two, fewer

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<v Speaker 1>than six months after the World Trade Centers fell. The

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<v Speaker 1>sun was rising on a bleak and snowy mountaintop in

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<v Speaker 1>eastern Afghanistan. It was a little after six in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and Air Force technical Sergeant John Chapman was alone in

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<v Speaker 1>enemy territory, bleeding to death. He had been shot, he

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<v Speaker 1>was losing strength, he was low in ammunition, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was bitterly brutally cold. For hours in the dark, it

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<v Speaker 1>faced off against Taliban and al Qaeda militants. He was outnumbered, outgunned,

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<v Speaker 1>but he fought on it killed at least five men,

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<v Speaker 1>one in hand to hand combat, and he was fending

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<v Speaker 1>off the rest from the relative safety of a makeshift

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<v Speaker 1>bunker basically just a shallow trench dug at the base

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<v Speaker 1>of a tree, keeping his head down, trying to survive

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<v Speaker 1>until reinforcements would arrive, he hoped. Suddenly, the unmistakable sound

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<v Speaker 1>of a helicopter filled the air. A black Chinook appeared

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<v Speaker 1>on the horizon. Back up was finally here, but Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>had seen what happened to helicopters had tried to land

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<v Speaker 1>on this mountain. The two previous ones, including the one

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<v Speaker 1>that brought him here, had been hit hard by enemy fire.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew the men on that helicopter might die unless

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<v Speaker 1>he could do something. He had two options, stay where

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<v Speaker 1>he was not exactly safe but safer, or he could

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<v Speaker 1>venture out into the open to try and provide covering

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<v Speaker 1>fire for the helicopter to try and save those men.

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<v Speaker 1>The snow around him was drenched in blood, his and

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<v Speaker 1>the man he'd killed. He shouldered his assault rifle, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>looking out into the thin light of the morning sun,

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<v Speaker 1>he stood up. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and this is Medal

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<v Speaker 1>of Honor Stories of Courage. The Medal of Honor is

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<v Speaker 1>the highest military decoration in the United States, awarded for

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<v Speaker 1>gallantry and bravery in combat at the risk of life,

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<v Speaker 1>above and beyond the call of duty. Each candidate must

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<v Speaker 1>be approved all the way up the chain of command,

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<v Speaker 1>from the supervisory officer in the field to the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>This show is about those heroes, what they did, what

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<v Speaker 1>it meant, and what their stories tell us about the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of courage and sacrifice. John Chapman's story is the

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<v Speaker 1>last one we will tell this season, and more than

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<v Speaker 1>any other, it tells us why the Medal of Honor

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<v Speaker 1>is so important. It's the story that reveals an essential truth.

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<v Speaker 1>The medal isn't really for the recipients themselves. Those heroes

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<v Speaker 1>would insist that their acts of bravery don't need an

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<v Speaker 1>audience or accolades. They would say, as doctor Mary Walker famous,

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<v Speaker 1>he did, I could not do otherwise. It's not for them.

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<v Speaker 1>The medal of Honor is for the rest of us,

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<v Speaker 1>to remind us of our human capacity for bravery and

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<v Speaker 1>self sacrifice, and to show us that even if those

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<v Speaker 1>acts of courage are unseen, invisible to others, they still matter.

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<v Speaker 1>They maybe even matter more. When John Chapman was growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in the little town of Windsorlocks, Connecticut, his mom, Terry,

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<v Speaker 1>noticed something different about him. He was, even as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>strangely attuned to other people.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born with this ability to sense people's feelings

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<v Speaker 2>or sense when people were in need of help. He

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<v Speaker 2>always put others before himself. He felt that that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>John was a standout athlete, a soccer star, and a

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<v Speaker 1>state champion diver. A well loved kid with an easy laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>square jawed and handsome, he could have been the worst

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<v Speaker 1>kind of popular high school boy, but John had a

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<v Speaker 1>distaste for social clicks and bullies. He had a way

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<v Speaker 1>of making other people feel comfortable and to drive to

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<v Speaker 1>push himself hard to do good in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>His senior year book quote was give up yourself before

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<v Speaker 2>taking of others.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to college for a semester, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>clear he wanted a different kind of challenge. He dropped

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<v Speaker 1>out and repaired cars while he fixated on his next step,

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<v Speaker 1>joining the Air Force. Within a few years of enlisting,

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<v Speaker 1>he had another higher goal. He wanted to become a

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<v Speaker 1>combat controller. Combat controllers, or CCTs are battlefield experts who

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<v Speaker 1>in bed with the lead forces, the Navy Seals or

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<v Speaker 1>the Army rangers and call in air strikes from the field.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a key role in any dangerous mission, going into

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<v Speaker 1>a combat zone and working as an on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>air traffic controller triangulating bombers and drones under the most

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<v Speaker 1>intense pressure. CCTs go through grueling months of training, not

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<v Speaker 1>just for the technical skills they need, but also to

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for every kind of hostile environment. They learned combat diving,

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<v Speaker 1>wilderness survival, any special tactic you can imagine only a

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<v Speaker 1>small percentage make it through. The few who succeed are

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<v Speaker 1>ready to deploy undetected to establish assault zones behind enemy lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Their motto is first there. Of the one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty men who signed up for training when John did,

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<v Speaker 1>only two became CCTs. John, of course, was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those two, and soon thereafter he qualified for the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fourth Special Tactic Squadron, the most elite of the elite

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<v Speaker 1>of the Air Force. At the same time as John

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<v Speaker 1>was honing his lethal skills at work, he was creating

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<v Speaker 1>a safe haven of a home life in a small

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<v Speaker 1>house in North Carolina with his wife, Valerie, and two

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<v Speaker 1>little girls, Madison and Brianna. Valerie remembers how all in

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<v Speaker 1>he was as a father.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't know if he just came off a training mission,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, he'd walks the door and he was daddy.

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<v Speaker 3>He was bathing the girls, playing barbie dolls with them,

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<v Speaker 3>reading them bedtime stories he used to love.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>After the bath, he'd wrap them up in a towel

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<v Speaker 3>and swing them and throw them onto the couch. And

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<v Speaker 3>he was just fully present hundred percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you never would know what he was trained to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do what he was trained to do, of course, was

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<v Speaker 1>annihilate the enemy. But for a while in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, it looked like he might not put those

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<v Speaker 1>skills to the test in an American war. By the

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<v Speaker 1>age of thirty six, John and realized he might never

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<v Speaker 1>go to battle. Then came nine to eleven. We all

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<v Speaker 1>remember watching it on the news that day.

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<v Speaker 4>And you can see the two towers, a huge explosion

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<v Speaker 4>now raiding to pray on all of us, we never get.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of the bank.

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<v Speaker 5>The unthinkable happened today the World Trade Center, both towers gone,

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<v Speaker 5>and we are all witnesses to it, and to some

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<v Speaker 5>degree we are all victims.

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<v Speaker 6>This conflict was begun on the timing in terms of others.

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<v Speaker 7>It will end in a way, and at an hour

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<v Speaker 7>of our choosing.

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<v Speaker 1>The first major American military operation in Afghanistan took place

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<v Speaker 1>in March of two thousand and two in the Shycote Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>a roughly sixty square mile area ringed with rocky, snowcapped mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>The US forces called it Operation Anaconda because the idea

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<v Speaker 1>was to squeeze the joint Taliban and Al Kaeda forces

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<v Speaker 1>in the valley, but the situation was more treacherous than anticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>The terrain was difficult, the snow waist deep, the weather

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<v Speaker 1>unimaginably cold, and the enemy almost tripled the size expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Well armed, well trained, and dug into the higher elevations.

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<v Speaker 1>Even history was on Afghanistan's side. Afghan fighters in this

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<v Speaker 1>valley had battled back invading forces for two thousand years,

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<v Speaker 1>from Alexander the Great to the Soviet Army. On the

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<v Speaker 1>night of March fourth, a group of Navy seals sealed

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<v Speaker 1>to him six which would famously go on to kill

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<v Speaker 1>Osama bin Lauden. Ready to enter the fight, they were

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<v Speaker 1>led by a quiet and wiry senior chief named Britt Slabinsky.

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<v Speaker 1>Their combat controller was John Chapman. The two men had

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<v Speaker 1>worked together since the previous October, and John and the

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<v Speaker 1>seals were a well integrated team, all more than ready

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the action. They'd been waiting in Afghanistan

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<v Speaker 1>for over a month by now. Their mission was to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a mountain called Takergar on the southern side

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<v Speaker 1>of the shy Coote Valley and secure an area of

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<v Speaker 1>operations from which they could call in air strikes on

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<v Speaker 1>enemy forces. They would do this under the cover of darkness,

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<v Speaker 1>fly by helicopter to the base of the mountain in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night, then stealthily ascend to the

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand foot summit, giving them a chance to see

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they were up against before anyone noticed them.

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<v Speaker 1>But that tightly formulated plan was about to hit some

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<v Speaker 1>insurmountable obstacles. First, the helicopter they were supposed to use

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<v Speaker 1>that night had a faulty engine. The team had to

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<v Speaker 1>call in a replacement, costing precious time. It became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to his Slebinski that if they hiked to the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the mountainous planned, they would arrive after the sun

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<v Speaker 1>of prison too exposed, too dangerous, so he asked command

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<v Speaker 1>if he could delay the mission for twenty four Their

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<v Speaker 1>quest was denied. Instead, it was decided that their helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>would land at the top of Takogar rather than the base,

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<v Speaker 1>announcing themselves instantly to anyone who happened to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain. They didn't know exactly what was up there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they knew they were enemy soldiers on many of

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<v Speaker 1>those mountains, and those soldiers were ready to fight. But

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<v Speaker 1>an order was an order, So at two fifty five am,

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<v Speaker 1>the team loaded into a Chinook helicopter and headed for

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<v Speaker 1>the peak. Here's Slabinsky remembering.

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<v Speaker 7>Soon as we landed, our helicopter came under rocket RPG,

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<v Speaker 7>rocket prolgrenade fire, and heavy machine got fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Another combat controller, Jay Hill, was on a different mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few kilometers away, with a view of Takagar.

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<v Speaker 1>He watched as a Chinook carrying the Seals and John

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<v Speaker 1>was hit with a rocket propelled grenade, then another and another,

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<v Speaker 1>screaming through the night sky.

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<v Speaker 7>And as soon as it sat down on top of

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<v Speaker 7>the mountain top, we saw the RPG strike the aircraft.

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<v Speaker 6>In the aircraft move towards the valley.

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<v Speaker 1>Slabinsky realized they were in deep trouble and ordered the

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter to retreat. But as the damage Chinnook lifted off again,

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<v Speaker 1>it started shaking and rolling, and a member of his

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<v Speaker 1>seal team, Petty Officer Neil Roberts, lost his footing and

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<v Speaker 1>slid down the open ramp into the darkness and onto

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<v Speaker 1>the snowy peak of Takragar.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew Neil was in trouble. I knew he was

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<v Speaker 7>in the midst of the enemy and numerically superior force

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<v Speaker 7>they had me out gunned. They were at extreme altitudes,

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<v Speaker 7>we were in extreme temperatures and pretty much opering at

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<v Speaker 7>the extreme end of all aircraft capabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Seals, of course have a motto leave no

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<v Speaker 1>man behind. So as soon as the mangled Chinnook save

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<v Speaker 1>crash landed, Slabinsky and the team started making plans to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and get Roberts. Knowing what awaited them at.

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<v Speaker 7>The top of Takagar, I made the decision that we're

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<v Speaker 7>going to make an immediate rescue attempt to go back

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<v Speaker 7>and get Neil.

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<v Speaker 1>John Chapman was all in. He didn't have to go back,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was part of the team. He wouldn't think

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<v Speaker 1>of staying behind. Chief Master Sergeant Rob Harrison was there

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<v Speaker 1>as part of a gunship crew providing reconnaissance and air strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all the men, he knew how dangerous this mission

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<v Speaker 1>would be.

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<v Speaker 4>These guys knew that they were going right back into

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<v Speaker 4>the same spot that their original aircraft was shot up

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<v Speaker 4>and they lost a teammate out of the back end

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<v Speaker 4>of the helicopter. So these guys, they knew what risk

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<v Speaker 4>they were facing, and they charged right back in there

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<v Speaker 4>to save one of their very own.

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<v Speaker 1>By now it was four thirty five am, still dark,

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<v Speaker 1>but not for long. The seals in John were outfitted

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<v Speaker 1>with night vision goggles for red strobe lights and laser

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<v Speaker 1>sights on their rifles, Otherwise they would be completing this

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<v Speaker 1>mission in total darkness, another dangerous layer to an already

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<v Speaker 1>lethal errand. As the new helicopter rose into the frigid

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<v Speaker 1>night sky, Slabinsky felt the enormity of what was ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember got my night vision goggles on and everything's

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<v Speaker 7>green looking through my goggles to stick my head, but

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<v Speaker 7>have outside the aircraft to look at my mouth coming

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<v Speaker 7>up that I'm getting ready to go fight on. And

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<v Speaker 7>I'm looking at it and I'm like, Wow, what a

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<v Speaker 7>majestic mountain. This thing looks like. Ah, And now what

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<v Speaker 7>a crazy thought about what we're a ready getting to

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<v Speaker 7>go do looking at this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The helicopter didn't have enough fuel for a reconnaissance pass

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<v Speaker 1>over the mountain, and they couldn't drop mortars on the

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<v Speaker 1>waiting enemy for fear of harming Roberts. They would just

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<v Speaker 1>have to go in themselves. Six men on the mountain

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<v Speaker 1>and above them an air Force gunship ready a fire

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<v Speaker 1>on the enemy. Once John gave the call, plus a

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<v Speaker 1>US Predator drone silently recording the action. As the Chinook landed,

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<v Speaker 1>it was immediately slammed by enemy fire, just as the

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<v Speaker 1>first helicopter had been, but this time the seals in

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<v Speaker 1>John dove off the chopper into the knee deep snow.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the roar of the helicopter's rotors, they could hear

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<v Speaker 1>the sound of enemy machine guns.

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<v Speaker 7>I asked John, say, John, what do you have? He said,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I don't know. And then right away we

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<v Speaker 7>started taking heavy fire from a bunker that was right

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<v Speaker 7>in front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>John could see that the enemy had the advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>the high ground and positions that were dug into the rocky,

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<v Speaker 1>snowy terrain. Even without night vision goggles, enemy soldiers would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to pick off the members of his team.

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<v Speaker 1>John needed a protected spot to set up his gear

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<v Speaker 1>and call in airstrikes. He decided that he had to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the bunker and clear it, whatever the cost.

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<v Speaker 1>So John didn't hesitate. He ran uphill towards the bunker,

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<v Speaker 1>which was dug underneath a solitary tree. His heart was

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<v Speaker 1>pounding in the thin atmosphere. He held his MFOL rifle

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<v Speaker 1>against his shoulder, firing and firing again. He was first

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<v Speaker 1>up the mountain through the blackness into the fire, breaking

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<v Speaker 1>a trail to the heavy inches of snow, never looking back.

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<v Speaker 1>Slabinski followed behind.

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<v Speaker 7>As I look around, there's all these all these mozo

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<v Speaker 7>flashes from everywhere, and I'm thinking there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>people up here. There's well, it's snapping by our heads,

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<v Speaker 7>like little snapping, and you can see puffs of snow

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<v Speaker 7>coming up all around us.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside the makeshift bunker, two fighters sat in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>John materialized out of the night and shot them both.

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<v Speaker 1>Slabinski joined him in the bunker. It provided some shelter,

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<v Speaker 1>but shots were still blazing in from a second bunker

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five feet away, strafing the two men and the

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<v Speaker 1>four other seals on the mountain. Both John and Slabinsky

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<v Speaker 1>fired back, centering the laser points of their rifles on

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<v Speaker 1>the muzzle flashes they saw in the darkness. Moving out

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<v Speaker 1>of the bunker to expose themselves to danger again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>Above them, that predator drone hovered invisible. Its pilot was

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred miles away. His role was to watch what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening on the mountain and report what he saw

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<v Speaker 1>to the gunship crew. The footage was grainy, just the

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<v Speaker 1>heat signatures of bodies moving through space. The pilot couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell who was who, but the drone had captured the

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<v Speaker 1>shapes of the men as they had exited the helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>as they engaged the enemy. A silent witness to what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening on Taka Gar Now just outside the bunker,

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<v Speaker 1>an al Qaeda fighter charged to John from the right, firing.

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<v Speaker 1>John went towards him out of the bunker. He shot

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<v Speaker 1>his rifle and the fighter fell. But before John could

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<v Speaker 1>sight another target, the sound of machine gun fire caught

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<v Speaker 1>the darkness. John was thrown backwards into the snow, shot

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<v Speaker 1>twice in the torso. For Britz Slabinski, it was becoming

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<v Speaker 1>clear that the mission's goal had to change. He had

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<v Speaker 1>come to save one man, and now it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>he had lost another. He knew John was down. He

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<v Speaker 1>was lying ten feet away outside of the bunker, but

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<v Speaker 1>Slebinsky could see the laser of John's rifle pointing against

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<v Speaker 1>the tree, rising and falling with his breath, and then

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<v Speaker 1>John's laser stopped moving. Slobinsky concluded he must be dead.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, the other seals were getting picked off

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark, two of them seriously wounded. They had

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<v Speaker 1>to retreat or Slobinsky was sure they would all end

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<v Speaker 1>up like John.

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<v Speaker 7>I look around at all my guys again and I

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<v Speaker 7>see there still heavy amounts of fire come in. I

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<v Speaker 7>look over at John. I'm seeing no movement from John.

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<v Speaker 7>And I realized that because we're out in the open

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<v Speaker 7>life expectancy now, it's going to be measured, probably in second.

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<v Speaker 7>So I make the command that we're going to reposition

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<v Speaker 7>my force just over the side of the cliff.

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<v Speaker 1>The five remaining seals huddled together then retreated as quickly

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<v Speaker 1>as they could, sliding down the snow and over the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the ridge. They would group further down the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain and call for reinforcements. It was five ten am,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes into the mission. As soon as the sun rose,

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<v Speaker 1>they would be in even more trouble, no longer able

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<v Speaker 1>to hide in the dark. The Predator drone still harbored above.

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<v Speaker 1>On his screen, its pilot could see the shape of

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<v Speaker 1>a still warm body under a tree. He watched as

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<v Speaker 1>another group of figures came together below the bunker and

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<v Speaker 1>then dropped one by one down the snowy ledge pick

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<v Speaker 1>slated shapes moving in the pre dawn night. John Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>had rushed to the bunker to save the seals on

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<v Speaker 1>his team. Now he lay motionless and alone in the snow.

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<v Speaker 1>For a moment, everything was quiet at the peak of

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<v Speaker 1>Taco Gar, a freezing wind, a silent predator drone overhead.

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<v Speaker 1>But just five minutes later something changed. Back at the

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<v Speaker 1>peak where those two bunkers were, the drone picked up movement.

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<v Speaker 4>The main element had withdrawn a couple hundred meters, but

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, at the original point there was

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<v Speaker 4>an iron strobe active again.

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<v Speaker 1>At the top of Taco Gar, an infrared strobe worn

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<v Speaker 1>by an American came alive. We'll be right back. John

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman was lying in the snow, his legs crumpled beneath him,

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<v Speaker 1>alone at the peak of Takregar. His team was certain

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<v Speaker 1>he was dead. He had taken two gunshot wounds to

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<v Speaker 1>his torso, but he was alive. Because John was alone,

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<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to know what he was thinking, how he

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<v Speaker 1>felt in those moments when he regained consciousness. Pain, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a jolt back to where he was. His

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<v Speaker 1>purpose there to protect what remained of his team to

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<v Speaker 1>move back into the safety of the bunker and to

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<v Speaker 1>call for air support, as he had been trained to do.

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<v Speaker 1>His frozen fingers must have fumbled with the radio he

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<v Speaker 1>had strapped to his chest. He switched it to a

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<v Speaker 1>battlefield common frequency, and then he spoke using his call sign,

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<v Speaker 1>any station, any station, this is MAKO three zero Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>three kilometers away. His fellow combat controller, j Hill heard

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<v Speaker 1>it and responded, but only static came back over the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>John called again and again, but he never heard Jay's responses.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not clear if they ever reached him. Anyway, he

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<v Speaker 1>had bigger issues for one thing, the enemy now knew

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<v Speaker 1>he was there for another. Once Slebinsky had left the peak,

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<v Speaker 1>he had been able to call the air strikes to

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<v Speaker 1>the top of Takergar, not realizing that John was alive

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<v Speaker 1>up there. John crouched in the bunker as the American

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<v Speaker 1>gunship fired rounds down on the mountain. Undeterred, the enemy

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<v Speaker 1>fighters stalked closer to John's position. The Predator drone hovered overhead,

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<v Speaker 1>but to anyone watching it wasn't clear what it showed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just anonymous shapes moving on a screen. Two

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<v Speaker 1>al Qaeda fighters rushed the bunker and John shot them.

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<v Speaker 1>He engaged another in hand to hand combat. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to the two gunshot wounds, his face was battered,

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<v Speaker 1>he had shrapnel in his arms, but still he fought

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<v Speaker 1>on the sun slowly crept up above the horizon. His

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<v Speaker 1>ammunition dwindled, and then just after six a m. John

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<v Speaker 1>heard the rotors of a helicopter beating against the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>Slabinsky had called in a Quick Reaction Force or QRF

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<v Speaker 1>to come to the aid of his remaining group of seals,

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<v Speaker 1>But now this helicopter full of eighteen men was going

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<v Speaker 1>to land right in the middle of the hornet's nest,

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<v Speaker 1>just as the tube before it had. Major G. Brown

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<v Speaker 1>was the combat controller on that Shinnuk. He remembers it clearly.

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<v Speaker 4>Sun was coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just about dawn.

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<v Speaker 8>We did one pass over the mountain top, and on

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<v Speaker 8>that second pass we began to flare to land.

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<v Speaker 1>John knew what would happen to that helicopter as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as it got close, and he knew that he had

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<v Speaker 1>to draw fire away from it. He was taking cover

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<v Speaker 1>in that bunker, likely shaking from blood loss and exhaustion

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<v Speaker 1>and exposure to the freezing temperatures, but he was still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>and as long as he was alive, he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to protect those men.

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<v Speaker 8>He knew the very immediate danger he was in.

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<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Colonel Ken Rodriguez wasn't on tacker Gar, but he

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<v Speaker 1>knew John who he was as a man and as

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<v Speaker 1>an airman. He was John's commander in the Elite twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fourth Special Tech Squadron.

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<v Speaker 8>He's already been wounded multiple times, and now he sees

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<v Speaker 8>the helicopter, the quick reaction helicopter coming in, and he

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<v Speaker 8>came out from cover and exposed himself to very accurate

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<v Speaker 8>enemy fire. Now John's would never say I know for

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<v Speaker 8>a fact I won't get through this. John was a

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<v Speaker 8>very much I'll do whatever I can to get through this.

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<v Speaker 8>But he knew in his hardest hearts. I'm convinced he

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<v Speaker 8>knew what kind of danger he was exposing himself to.

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<v Speaker 8>The enormous risk that he placed himself in when he

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<v Speaker 8>stepped out to defend that quick reaction for his helicopter

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<v Speaker 8>and the lives of the men on board.

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<v Speaker 1>Roughly an hour after he had woken up alone on

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<v Speaker 1>the peak of Takagar, John Chapman stood in the early

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<v Speaker 1>morning light. He shouldered his rifle. Then he slid down

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<v Speaker 1>the slope, legs in front of him, firing rounds in

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<v Speaker 1>a desperate attempt to protect the helicopter. He watched as

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinook was hit by an RPG. He fired the

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<v Speaker 1>last of his ammunition, and then he was shot through

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<v Speaker 1>the heart. He fell back onto the snow for the

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<v Speaker 1>second time that morning. He was dead. Nobody on the

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter saw John fall. They weren't looking for him, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>they believed he had died long before John did what

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<v Speaker 1>he did invisibly. No one knew then what sacrifice he

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<v Speaker 1>had made. It wasn't until later that they found out

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<v Speaker 1>and realized what it meant.

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<v Speaker 4>He sacrificed himself for the for the q R AFT

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<v Speaker 4>that came in.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost the case that no one ever knew

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<v Speaker 1>about John Chapman's one man's stand, We'll be right back. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>seven lives would be lost on tackle. Gar Neil Roberts,

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<v Speaker 1>the first seal to follow that day, died before they

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<v Speaker 1>reached him John Chapman and five men from the QRF.

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<v Speaker 1>But the mountaintop would eventually be secured an operation and

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<v Speaker 1>a conda would be considered a success. It fell to

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<v Speaker 1>Canrodriguez to tell John's family, Valerie, Madison and Brianna, what

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. He went to that little house in North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina where John and his girls felt so safe.

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<v Speaker 5>When I went to Valerie's doorstep to tell her that

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<v Speaker 5>John wasn't coming home, and I saw those two, those

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful little girls, there were five and three times, I thought, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>they're good, you grow up without their daddy. I just

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<v Speaker 5>I think that every time I might thank him John.

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<v Speaker 1>Both John Chapman and Britt Slabinski were awarded for their

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<v Speaker 1>bravery on Taka Gar. Slabinsky was decorated with the Navy Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>John with the Air Force Cross. He was honored for

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<v Speaker 1>his fearless race across the snow to that first bunker,

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<v Speaker 1>for eliminating the enemy there and protecting the seals of

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<v Speaker 1>his team, all actions from before they were treated down

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain. But after hearing about his incredible one man stand,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to be wondering, why not the medal of honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's why nobody knew that John Chapman had survived past

0:27:06.356 --> 0:27:08.716
<v Speaker 1>that first time he was shot. There had been no

0:27:08.836 --> 0:27:13.836
<v Speaker 1>eye witnesses to his final power long battle. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force Cross might have been the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Except in May of twenty fifteen, thirteen years after John's death,

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<v Speaker 1>Deborhly James, then Secretary of the Air Force, read an.

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<v Speaker 6>Article The Air Force Times had a headline what's to

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<v Speaker 6>take for an airman to be awarded the Medal of Honor?

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<v Speaker 6>And they had various accounts of airmen who had distinguished

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<v Speaker 6>themselves above and beyond the call of duty in combat,

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<v Speaker 6>who had been awarded the second highest award, but not

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<v Speaker 6>the Medal of Honor. And when I read about John

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<v Speaker 6>Chapman and his exploits in March of two thousand and

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<v Speaker 6>two in Afghanistan, I could not understand why this case,

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<v Speaker 6>for example, didn't merit a higher level award.

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<v Speaker 1>So James ordered a review. She is, by her own admission,

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with fairness, and there were parts of the story

0:28:09.196 --> 0:28:11.796
<v Speaker 1>it didn't make sense if John had been killed the

0:28:11.836 --> 0:28:15.956
<v Speaker 1>first time he was shot. She wondered, did his heroism

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<v Speaker 1>deserve something more? And she discovered the answer it did.

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<v Speaker 1>The Air Force Cross had only honored half of John's story.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody had seen the rest of it, except for that drone.

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<v Speaker 6>The most important thing for me was there was drone footage, which,

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<v Speaker 6>for whatever reason, was not reviewed at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The drone footage was hazy. The person who had been

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<v Speaker 1>monitoring at that day was thousands of miles from the action.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, it wasn't clear exactly what it showed,

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<v Speaker 1>but James and the review board ran the footage through

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<v Speaker 1>newly available software which could isolate pixel representations of people

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<v Speaker 1>and track their movements.

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<v Speaker 6>We could see the moment that Chapman went down. We

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<v Speaker 6>could see when the rest of the team withdrew from

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<v Speaker 6>the mountain. The rest of the team we know, believed

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<v Speaker 6>Chapman to be dead at that time, and certainly he

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<v Speaker 6>was down, but we also know from that footage that

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<v Speaker 6>Chapman got back up again and continued fighting while he

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<v Speaker 6>was alone. So that drone footage just as well could

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<v Speaker 6>have been DNA in a crime scene to me, But.

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<v Speaker 1>By now you know this isn't how Medal of Honors

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<v Speaker 1>submissions usually work. Remember Alwen Cash. The Medal of Honor

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<v Speaker 1>relies on eyewitness testimony, but in this case, John was alone.

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<v Speaker 1>The only humans on tackle Guard to witness his one

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<v Speaker 1>man's stand were enemy fighters, and Britt Slabinski was certain

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<v Speaker 1>John was dead or he never would have left him.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe this was the first case ever in history

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<v Speaker 6>that relied to a degree on forensic type evidence technical evidence.

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<v Speaker 6>Every other Medal of Honor case heretofore was solely on

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<v Speaker 6>Eyewitnes accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>Alongside the Joan footage, they scrutinized John's autopsy, which showed

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<v Speaker 1>injuries that could only have been received after the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the sealed team departed. Jay Hill, the other combat controller,

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<v Speaker 1>told them about hearing John's call sign again and again

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<v Speaker 1>the stress in John's voice. Plus there was the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that John had used up almost all of his ammunition,

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<v Speaker 1>proof of a prolonged fight. James saw an obvious conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>What she didn't foresee was pushback.

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<v Speaker 6>The Special Operations community, much to my surprise, questioned that

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<v Speaker 6>the technical evidence that we thought was the slam dunk

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<v Speaker 6>proof that Chapman had survived the initial wounding, got back

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<v Speaker 6>up and continued fighting. This went on and on and

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<v Speaker 6>on for months. I came to believe over time that

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<v Speaker 6>it was simply too hard for these other human beings

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<v Speaker 6>who were representing people who had done the very best

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<v Speaker 6>that they could do on the worst day of their life.

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<v Speaker 6>That they had left someone behind alive. I think they

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<v Speaker 6>could not come to grips with that, and so they

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<v Speaker 6>rejected that piece of the argument they believed and continued

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<v Speaker 6>to say, we believe that Chapman was dead at the

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<v Speaker 6>time we withdrew, and so without that new evidence, the

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<v Speaker 6>package was stalling. Without their coordination, it was taking more time.

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<v Speaker 1>You can only imagine how hard it must have been

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<v Speaker 1>for the Seals to think that they had left John

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<v Speaker 1>there alone. Leave no man behind is an article of

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<v Speaker 1>faith for the Seals. This new information changed the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that was heroic for John but horrifying

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<v Speaker 1>for the others who'd been there. And just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody second guest bittz Slobinski's decision to retreat from the

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<v Speaker 1>top of Takergar.

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<v Speaker 8>I believe firmly that every single man on that hill

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<v Speaker 8>made the very best decisions they possibly could while bullets

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<v Speaker 8>are flying, while people are getting wounded, and to say

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<v Speaker 8>anything other than that would be a miscarriage of what

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<v Speaker 8>really went on.

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<v Speaker 2>Even John's mom agrees Johnny would have wanted them to

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<v Speaker 2>do just that, to take their wounded off the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Deborly, James, who saw John's medal as her fight, who

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<v Speaker 1>believed it was her duty as Secretary of the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force to honor all aspects of his bravery, couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>the package was getting slowed down.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought that the desire to honor a fallen brother

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<v Speaker 6>would overcome any other possible feelings that might be out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the truth of the matter is they wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to do both. They wanted to honor him, but they

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<v Speaker 6>could not take that additional step of admitting a mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>A mistake, as I said earlier, was honest, and it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't the fog of war. It was the whipping wind

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<v Speaker 6>and snow of war and the uncertainty that comes in

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<v Speaker 6>these situations. I don't fall to anybody for what they

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<v Speaker 6>did that day. I just wish they had been more

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<v Speaker 6>supportive of getting this package through without controversy.

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<v Speaker 1>For John Chapman, James kept pushing for what she thought

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<v Speaker 1>was fair and right, navigating the package to the hurdles

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<v Speaker 1>of defensiveness and doubt, and finally, in August of twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald Trump awarded John his Medal of Honor. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can't imagine that the medal have mattered to John.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe John will hear.

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<v Speaker 3>He would say, every one that would have done the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing as they're trained to do.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the great gifts of working on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>series has been getting to explore the extreme reaches of

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<v Speaker 1>the human spirit, the exceptional bravery, as the military says,

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<v Speaker 1>above and beyond the call of duty, exemplified by the

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<v Speaker 1>Medal of Honor. It's interesting to me that so many

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<v Speaker 1>of these stories have happened in the dark. Henry Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>battling at midnight against the German raiding party, Ted Rubin

0:34:44.316 --> 0:34:47.956
<v Speaker 1>holding that North Korean ridge all night long, Jave Argus

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<v Speaker 1>and his men in the Vietnamese cemetery, and now John

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman alone in the dark attacker gar It didn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>to John if his acts of bravery were seen, if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone knew about them. That wasn't the point. It never

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<v Speaker 1>is Deborly, James would tell you that the Medal of

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<v Speaker 1>hon is important because it teaches those in the military

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<v Speaker 1>what they can achieve.

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<v Speaker 6>The stories of Medal of Honor recipients live on for

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<v Speaker 6>decades and even centuries in the US military. Military students

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<v Speaker 6>learn about these stories in school. These are stories that

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<v Speaker 6>go down in the history of the services.

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<v Speaker 1>But stories like John Chapman's should matter to the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us for a different reason. Most people would probably

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<v Speaker 1>assume that anyone in their right mind would stay in

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<v Speaker 1>that bunker if they were wounded and outnumbered like John was.

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<v Speaker 1>His story is proof that not everybody would. That being

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<v Speaker 1>human can mean sacrificing yourself alone in the dark, with

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<v Speaker 1>no hope of being famous or richly rewarded. Medal of

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<v Speaker 1>Honor recipients make exactly those kinds of choices. Only look

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<v Speaker 1>at the official citations for each recipient, those short few

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<v Speaker 1>paragraphs the President reads at the ceremony. You're left with

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty unrelatable snapshot of an extraordinary moment in time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I wanted to make this show. The Medal

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<v Speaker 1>of Honor isn't meant to take these people and put

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<v Speaker 1>them on an unreachable pedestal. It's meant as an inspiration challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>And by learning who the recipients were as people, what

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<v Speaker 1>they went through, what they were like, you understand these

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<v Speaker 1>aren't comic book heroes. These are human beings. Through the medal,

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<v Speaker 1>its recipients stay alive in our collective memory, encouraging us

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<v Speaker 1>forward in the same way that Valley believes that John

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<v Speaker 1>lives on to their daughters.

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<v Speaker 3>His legacy will continues as long as you know they

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<v Speaker 3>tell his story to their children and their children's children.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he will live forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Courage doesn't just happen on the battlefield. So many people

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<v Speaker 1>all over the planet are bravely struggling alone, unseen, fighting

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<v Speaker 1>their own battles in their own ways, overcoming incredible odds

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<v Speaker 1>in circumstances that we can never fully appreciate or understand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it matters that we bring these stories of

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<v Speaker 1>heroism out of the dark and into the light. With

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<v Speaker 1>each one, we acknowledge a hero's service and their sacrifice,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also acknowledge the strength that's within all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>the potential to do better, to be better, and to

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<v Speaker 1>make a difference, even if nobody can see what a

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<v Speaker 1>difference you've made. Medal of Honor. Stories of Courage is

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<v Speaker 1>written by Meredith Rollins and produced by Meredith Rollins, Costanza Gallardo,

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<v Speaker 1>and Izzy Carter. Our editor is Ben the Dafaffrey. Sound

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<v Speaker 1>design and additional music by Jake Gorsky, Recording engineering by

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<v Speaker 1>Nina Lawrence, fact checking by Arthur Gombert's Original music by

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Phillips. The rest of our team includes Carl Ketel,

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<v Speaker 1>Grete Cone, Christina Slomon, Sarah Nix, Nicole upden Bosch, Eric Sandler,

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<v Speaker 1>Kerry Brody, Taly Emlin, and Jake Flanagan. Special thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>series creator Dan McGinn to the Congressional Medal of Honor

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<v Speaker 1>Society and Adam Plumpton. I'm your Host Malcolin Babbo