1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Hey, you know, welcome to short Stuff. I'm Josh and 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and we are the short Stuffers who are 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: going to talk to you about a new term for 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: the Latino community. Latino community. See, here's the reason for 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: a new term. Yeah. So I remember when we did 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: our episode on zoot suits, Uh, there was you know, 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: we always try to keep up with the latest correct 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: terminology that people want to be called, because people get 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: to decide themselves what they want to be called. And 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I think at the time there were references to a 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: word chicano. Is that right? Did we do that? Did 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: we say that? Well? We did, but we also said 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: it in context of that's what they were called at 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: the time. And here's the thing. Depending on who you are, 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: where you are, and when you are, these terms have 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: been uh, sort of interchangeable to some people. Some of 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: these terms have been um in fashion and then out 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: of fashion, perhaps maybe offensive or not offensive, or maybe 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: pride wrapped around a term that other people might think 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: might be offensive. Yeah. And what's interesting is some of 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: those terms of transition through all those things over time 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: and geography too. And to know all that, Chuck is 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: to really remember, be reminded that, Um. You know, when 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: you consider entire racial groups, we tend to think of 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: them as like one collective whole that share all the 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: same similarities and and have zero differences. And this, this 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: is a very important reminder that no different people consider 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: themselves different things, even within certain racial groups. And then 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: take it eat one step even further and say, oh, well, 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: that would suggest that racial groups are actually a social 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: and cultural construct, not a biological construct. Then you finally 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: arrived at the right frame of mind to be a 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: human being. That's right. I mean, technically, if you really, 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: um always want to honor a person and do the 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: right thing, you call someone Mexican or Colombian or Honduran 36 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: or Guatemalan and get very or Spanish and get very 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: specific with the country that they come from. But we 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: as humans like to um put a collective name on 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: groups of people. That's just what we've always done. Uh. 40 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: In the fifties and a lot of this stuff comes 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: from this house too works article and a historian named 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: Paul Ortiz, who is a professor at the University of Florida, 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: which we won't hold against him, um, but he points 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: out that in the fifties and and even Before that, Uh, 45 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Chicano was a term of derision, but then it was 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: kind of adopted and became a term of pride with 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: the rise of a few things, the Mexican student movement 48 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: in California, the farm workers movement, and people said, you 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: know what, Chicano was a term of pride, term of 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: self respect, and he likened it to um African American 51 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: and the term black. How the term black or blacks 52 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: wasn't very favored for a long time, and then in 53 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights movement they said, no, black is beautiful. 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: That's who we are, and that's what we are. Yeah, 55 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: I mean, like, what better way to to um, deflate 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: the power out of a word that's used against you 57 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: than to take it on yourself and use it as 58 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: a as a name of pride. I mean, that's that's 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: podcasters right, right, which has always been a term of 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: scorn for the outside world, but that's right, we're taking 61 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: it on with pride. So yeah, so um a lot. 62 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: When we were growing up, chuck um, Hispanic was always 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: the term, I mean, virtually until just a few years ago, Hispanic. 64 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: But as time we're on it went from you know, 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: those are Hispanic people to those are Hispanic people. And 66 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: you just kind of got this idea that the term 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Hispanic had fallen out of favor among Hispanic, the Hispanic community. 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I knew that, I didn't understand why. And apparently it's 69 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: because Hispanic has been the longstanding term for the U. S. 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: Census Bureau UM to describe people who are who um 71 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: claim an origin or an identity that's associated typically with 72 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: either Spain or Latin America, Spanish speaking countries, UM or 73 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: the or the Caribbean, something along those lines. Um. And 74 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: when you really start to dig into it, and you're like, 75 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is the Census bureaus kind of 76 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: jumble definition. Yes it is, which again reinforces the idea 77 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: that racial groups are not homogeneous groups. They're made of 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of different people. It just so happens that 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different people from a bunch of 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: different backgrounds who claimed this kind of um, this the 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: same uh cultural identity. Yeah, And Professor Ortiz points out 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: with Hispanic, he said where he lived, Uh, he was 83 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: raised in California and Washington Stay. He said Hispanic wasn't 84 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: a popular term because of that, because he said the 85 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: elder and his elders in his community would say, you know, 86 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: this is the government putting this name on us. But 87 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: he said in Florida, he said, Hispanic as a term 88 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: was embraced by Floridians. So, like I said earlier at 89 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: the very beginning, it depends on kind of who you 90 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: are and where you are, um as to kind of 91 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: what you prefer. And that brings us to a break, 92 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: and we'll reveal the new mystery name that really isn't 93 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: a mystery because everyone already knows it by now. Right 94 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: after this to Chuck m okay, Chuck, what's the mystery name? 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: This is basically like an episode of the Masks singer 96 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, do you watch any of those? No, 97 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: I'm just aware of it. Okay, they get really silly. 98 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: They play those during football games. That's the only reason 99 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: I know about them. The adds right, yeah, so and 100 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: announced the short stuff. But quickly there's a new one 101 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: that um I can't remember what it's called, but it's 102 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: basically judging whether or not you think a person can sing, 103 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: just by looking at them and how they carry themselves. 104 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: That's good, that's great, that's a that's a good lesson 105 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: to teach. People that you can judge a book by 106 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: its cover, right, and then they hand them a microphone. 107 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: It's like, are they do they sing crappy or not? 108 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: Then when they sing crappy, it suddenly turns into the 109 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: Gong show. I'm sure, right, great idea, great idea. All right. 110 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: So that brings us to the mystery word, which is uh. 111 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: And there's a few ways you can pronounce it, depending 112 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: on who you are. Latin X is what I've always said. 113 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: You can also say latin x or latin X. It 114 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: seems like and I think Webster Marriam Webster says ten x, right, 115 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: so you're either basically saying it as one word or 116 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: two words. Paul Ortiz says it as two words like 117 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: latin and then the letter X latin X. That's how. Yeah, 118 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: that's how what I've always said too. And then somebody 119 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't know who pointed out that it was that, no, 120 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: you what other people pronounce it like latin x or 121 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: something like that rather than latino or latina latin X. 122 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean the whole point of all this 123 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: is that, um, it's meant to be a gender neutral, 124 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: totally inclusive word for people who identify as Latino, Latina, um, Hispanic, uh, Chicano, 125 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: even um. However you identify that this is this big 126 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: encompassing word UM. There was a few uh survey that 127 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: was done that said traditionally, or at least now, most 128 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: people like you were saying, prefer to be identified as Guatemalan, 129 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: or as Brazilian or as Haitian, um, wherever you're from. 130 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: That that that your nation of origin is your you know, 131 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: that's that's how you identify with. But there is a 132 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: growing group, especially younger American born English speaking people who 133 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: identify UM as what the Census Bureau would call Hispanic UM, 134 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: that are adopting this term latin X or latin x 135 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: to be to make it more inclusive, which I think 136 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: is cool. Yeah, And as Ortisz puts it, he said, 137 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: he kind of sees it as a bridge building term 138 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: to kind of unite people. Uh. And you know, it's 139 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: up to the individual what they prefer to be called. 140 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: If you ask me, UM, I definitely see UM. How 141 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: referring to someone's country of origin can be a nice specificity, 142 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: But I also see the value and people coming together 143 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: as as a whole and saying, you know, we're a 144 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: big worldwide community and we are latin X, right, and 145 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: that's meant to Apparently Latino was also, um, it was 146 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: very widely used Hispanic Latino. Um. That was like a 147 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: transition word for sure, from from Hispanic to Latin X 148 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: or Latin X. Latino definitely made that that kind of 149 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: bridge those two together. But apparently Latino came to be 150 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: widely associated specifically with people who, um, whose country of 151 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: origin is Mexico. Right, And there's plenty of people from 152 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: other parts of Central and South America, UM who say, well, 153 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm not from Mexico, so that one doesn't really apply 154 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: to me, which is why latin x is um is 155 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: that bridge building term for a lot of people for 156 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: the time being, though it's it's got a lot of 157 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: ground to cover before it becomes widely used again. According 158 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: to Pew, Right, yeah, I think they did a survey 159 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: just this year. UM actually just says August very recently 160 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: that is it still actually who knows? I think is 161 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: now Eternal Damnation year, so it will be going on forever, 162 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: so yes the answers, Yeah, yeah, it's been for seven 163 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: years now. And this survey said that about of Hispanics 164 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: have even heard the term. That surprised me. Um, and 165 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: only three percent use it. That kind of surprised me too. 166 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the circles I run in, but I've heard 167 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: it a lot more than that. Well. I think one 168 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: of the reasons why it seems like there's more people 169 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: who adopted is because the people who do use it 170 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: tend to be the most vocal on like social media, 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: the most present, the most. Um. Yeah, they're younger, Like, 172 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: they're out there a lot more than say, like their 173 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: parents or grandparents or even older siblings. Um. Yeah, they're 174 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: out there for sure, so it would they have a 175 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: much larger voice proportions. They have a disproportionately large voice. 176 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: How about that. Um. What I've seen is, uh, some 177 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: people are like, well, no, I prefer Latino or I 178 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: prefer Latina. Some people say, well, no, I'm totally down 179 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: with the gender neutral thing, but latina X that like 180 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: X is kind of flies in the face of UM, 181 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: Spanish as a tongue, So why don't we go with latina? 182 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: And with the accent? Is it? What's the accent called? 183 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: But with an accent over it? You know you've seen 184 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: it before. Um, So latina is gender neutral, but it's 185 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: also much more Spanish sounding where it's from the Spanish tongue. 186 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: So maybe go with that. And I think everybody who's 187 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: already on board latin X has just just be quiet. 188 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: We're going with Latin X. Yeah, it's totally cool, for sure, 189 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: It's definitely got a cool term. But I remember also 190 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: when we did Our Kings in europ episode, we were 191 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: exclusively saying Latin X, I believe, and some people wrote 192 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: in and said, hey, you know, not everybody is down 193 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: with that in the Latino community or Latino community, and 194 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: it was good to be reminded of that that. Yes, 195 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: when you're talking about entire groups of people, just remember 196 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: they don't all agree on everything, no matter whether they're white, Black, 197 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Latin X, Hispanic, Asian, doesn't matter. They're all very different 198 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: people and we're all different when it comes down to it. 199 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: We're all individuals, and uh, maybe that means we can 200 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: all get along a little better, yes, and at the 201 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: very least we can defer to them for goodness sake. Yeah, 202 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: when you meet somebody who you would say, oh, this 203 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: person is of uh Latin next heritage, you could leave 204 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: it to them by saying it's really great to meet 205 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: someone of yeah, and then let them fill in the 206 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: in the blacks exactly. So there you go go forth 207 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: and think about things a little more and stop pigeonholing everybody. Okay, okay. 208 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: Short stuff then is out. Stuff you should know is 209 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Radios. How stuff works for more 210 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: podcasts my heart Radio? 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