1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast a and Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast, am employees of Premier Networks, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss 14 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. As of this recording date, the hurricane 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: called Ian is really hitting Florida very very hard, and 18 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: I see on the news the devastation. There's word that 19 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: there could be several hundred lives lost, if not more, 20 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: and of course around the world there's war, there's pain, 21 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 1: there's suffering, and I tell you, I'm sure you feel 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: just like I do that we want to know there's 23 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: a bigger purpose for it all, that this life isn't 24 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: all there is with the suffering that can happen, And 25 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: so each and every episode, I want to make sure 26 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: we put a smile on your face, hopefully and let 27 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: you know that there is a bigger picture, that our 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: loved ones are surrounding us in that unseen space, that 29 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: this life on earth is really the hardest part of 30 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: our journey. Many people ask me if I believe in hell, 31 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: and I say no, because I think Hell is right 32 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: here right now, and there can be lots of joy 33 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: as well. And I think you and I both know 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: that it is out of our toughest times that we 35 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go on a spiritual growth adventure 36 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: and look for ourselves. What's the meaning to my life? 37 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: What's it all about? What's it going to be that 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: I do that's going to make it all worth it? 39 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: So even if you don't answer the questions for yourself, 40 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: it's always a good thing to do to start with 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: putting your eyes on someone else and being of service 42 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm here, because this is my act 43 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: of service. It really is. I can't get great information 44 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: myself and then not want to share it. I mean, 45 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: that's just part of Sandra. You give me toys, you 46 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: give me candy. If you're next to me, I share. 47 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: That's just what I do. If you'd like to make 48 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: a donation to the people impacted, the best way is 49 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: through the American Red Cross, so just go to red 50 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Cross dot org. And I also welcome you to stay 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: tuned to the end of the episode because there are 52 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: some very powerful words from the spirit world about how 53 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: we can make a difference through the trans mediumship of 54 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: Scott Milligan. If you've been keeping track of these past episodes, 55 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: you'll know that my former boyfriend passed away last month 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: tragically hitting a phone poll which they believe was from 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: a heart attack, and I have been finding different ways 58 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: of getting signs and it's been an interesting journey. I 59 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: did ask my dear friend son you're a aldi who 60 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: captures pictures and voices from people in the after life. 61 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: If she needed to do an extra experiment, could she 62 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: invite my friend Michael to come. I do have pictures 63 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: from Sonja of Michael from the Afterlife, and I want 64 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: to make sure you can see them. If you go 65 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: to We Don't Die dot com, click on radio shows 66 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: and just scroll down, you'll see pictures of Dad and Michael. 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: Sonja Ronaldi used one picture of Michael and put vapor 68 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: in front of it steam and then filmed the steam. 69 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: She's been at this for thirty years, this communication between 70 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: the veils and what you see in these images are Michael, 71 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: not the face that he shows in the photograph, but 72 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: different faces. Some even look three dimensional. I've also included 73 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: a link if you want to check out the documentary 74 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: film that we made with Sonja, and then also we 75 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: did a special presentation with her a few months after 76 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: the movie was released to see what her latest experiments are. 77 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: And there's all kinds of great links that you can 78 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: click on beneath that. So I want you to see. 79 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: I also want you to see the picture of my dad. Now. 80 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: My dad died when he was seventy four years old 81 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: of cancer, looking as bad as one could look, hooked 82 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: up to the tubes, very skinny, old and frail. Loved 83 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: ones us too. When we go over there, we get 84 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: to pick our best age and our best health to 85 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: live eternity. My dad has chosen being in his mid 86 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: to late twenties, what he looked like when he was 87 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: in the Air Force. So I've got a picture of 88 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: my dad how he looked in the Air Force and 89 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: how he looks through the lens of so Na's camera. 90 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: And so you know, Sonja did not have a picture 91 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: of my dad to use. And as for Michael, yes 92 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: she had the one picture of him, but I don't 93 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: have any pictures of Michael posted on any of my 94 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: social media, so there's no way she would have known 95 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: how to find him and use other photos if she 96 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: were to invent them. It's common for our skeptical nature 97 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: to believe that someone could manipulate photos and be a 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: con artist, and I get that, but when you get 99 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: someone who has never asked a penny for their work, 100 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: who works seven days a week on capturing these photographs 101 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: and the audios. If you were to see some of 102 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: her e magazines they're called, which document all of her work, 103 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: she puts a lot of time and effort in these 104 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: and when you see the pictures, you'll realize that it 105 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: this would not be something easy for someone to manipulate. 106 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: And what would be the point in doing it anyways, 107 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: be one thing if she was charging money, but she doesn't. 108 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: So again, go We Don't Die dot com. Click on 109 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: radio shows and just at the very top you'll see 110 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: the link to see the pictures. And why it says 111 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: radio shows is because before I was asked to do 112 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife, I have and currently still do 113 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: a show called We Don't Die Radio. We're getting close 114 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: to four hundred episodes of that. We've just gone over 115 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: one hundred shows of Shades of the Afterlife, and I 116 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: think you can tell that this is my act of 117 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: service and I'm grateful to be the messenger, is to 118 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: share everything I know about the afterlife to give you 119 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: hope that your life is for a purpose, even as 120 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: tough as times get. I think our soul yearns for 121 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: new experiences and growth, and whatever it is we go through, 122 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to learn and also make a 123 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: difference for someone else. I also want to mention that 124 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: you've heard me say that I'm trying to record electronic 125 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: voice phenomena with Michael, that is trying to capture his 126 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: voice on a tape recorder, and last I left you, 127 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't find my tape recorder. I looked high and low, 128 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: and this week I found the recorder, and unfortunately it 129 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: is completely dead. I don't know if you have regrets 130 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: in your life regarding those in the afterlife, but I 131 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: can tell you I have the regret of the day 132 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: my grandmother died. I was traveling and I got that 133 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: message in my mind to call grahammy say hello, and 134 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: I said, I'll call her tomorrow. Tomorrow never came because 135 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: she used away that day. Also, just before my dad passed, 136 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: his very best friend for years and years called me 137 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: and he said, could you hold the phone to your 138 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: dad's ear. I want to tell my best friend that 139 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: I love him and to have a safe journey. So 140 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I held this phone to my dad's ear and Dad's 141 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: friend said whatever he said, and I hung up the phone. 142 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't till about an hour later that I realized 143 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: that I held that phone to my dad's deaf ear. 144 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: He couldn't hear out of his right ear, only his left. 145 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: So I had that regret of not holding it to 146 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: the correct ear. And adding to the list will be 147 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: finding this tape recorder Because my friend I had a 148 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: pretty lengthy conversation with my dad recorded and saved on 149 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: that tape recorder. It's the only place I have my 150 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: dad's voice still around. And while it's possible I might 151 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: be able to send the tape recorder off to someone 152 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: to be able to retrieve what's on it, the feeling 153 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: of guilt running through me is pretty high. So what 154 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: would Sandra, hosts of Shades of the Afterlife say? She 155 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: would say that, on all those different instances, I did 156 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: the best I could. I did what I knew to do. 157 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: If I had known better, I would have held the 158 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: phone to my dad's goodyear. If I had known Grammy 159 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: was going to die later that day, I would have 160 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: made sure I called her. And if I had known 161 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: that that tape recorder was going to die, I would 162 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: have made sure I transferred everything onto a computer. My friend, 163 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: it is no use feeling guilty about something that happened 164 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: in the past, because each one of us made the 165 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: best decision we knew then. So I offer you that 166 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: as just a little thought to not be so hard 167 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: on yourself. In truth, I'm going to try to get 168 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: this recorder fixed, and I also ordered a new tape recorder, 169 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: a digital one, to work on getting the voice of 170 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Michael through electronic voice phenomena. So I will keep you 171 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: posted and now that I have the website, I can 172 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: direct you to. My hope is to get some e 173 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: vps and be able to put them there so you 174 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: can actually listen. So I will use that website for 175 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: more things, because this is not a video show, nor 176 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: can it be. But I can direct you back to 177 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: the we Don't Die dot com website. On this show today, 178 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: I want to share with you some stories. We all 179 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: like stories, don't we I also want to dispel some 180 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: common myths that are out there that might have you 181 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: a little bit worried about the afterlife. And also I 182 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: got a great email from a listener about what is 183 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: it going to take to change the conversation on planet 184 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: Earth so that everybody believes in the afterlife. And at 185 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: the very end, some very comforting words from a friend 186 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: in the afterlife. Before the break. One last thing, our listener, 187 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Christine sent me an email with a picture of a 188 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: man in a coma with a white dog snuggled up 189 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: to his face, and the news article said seventy year 190 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: old Francis Romero was in a coma in the hospital. 191 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: His dog was allowed to stay with him and did 192 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: not leave him day or night. After a month, Francis 193 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: woke up from the coma with these words, where is 194 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: the White Angel who constantly whispered to me that everything 195 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: would be all right? I know Francis's dog could communicate 196 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: to him while he was in coma, And I also 197 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: know that even though I held that phone to my 198 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: dad's deaf ear, he definitely got the message from his 199 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: best friend. Yes, we are divine souls. Let's go to 200 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: the break. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades 201 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast 202 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 203 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. And if you've talked 204 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: to skeptics, they may say, oh, there's no proof of 205 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: near death experience as being real. It's just a normal 206 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: part of the brain shutting down. Now. I know skeptics 207 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: say that because I used to be one of them. 208 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: But the good news is there has been science and 209 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: a fairly recent medical study has come out proving that 210 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: near death experiences are not hallucinations. There are lenty of 211 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: scientists that have had near death experiences there are doctors 212 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: that have had near death experiences, many of which we've 213 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: talked to on this show, and there will be more. Today. 214 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: I want you to hear a clip from Dr Bruce Grayson, 215 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: who is one of the leading people these days talking 216 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: about near death experiences as a physician. He is a 217 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: professor and doctor of psychiatry and neurobehavioral sciences. He is 218 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: the author of some books, one called After a Doctor 219 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: Explores what Near Death Experiences reveal about life and Beyond, 220 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: and The Handbook of Near Death Experiences. And of course 221 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: he's written many journals, lots of articles, given tons of 222 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: media interviews, and he is open about being a believer 223 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: in near death experiences. So I want to play for 224 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: you this clip of how he first got interested in 225 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: near death experiences. I was raised in a scientific household, 226 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: of very materialistic household. My father was a chemist whose 227 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: world was defined by the periodic table of the elements, 228 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and we just never talked about anything spiritual in our 229 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: in our household. It's not that we were opposed to 230 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: spiritual things, it just never occurred to us to bring 231 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: them up. You know, the physical world was all we new, 232 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: and as far as we could tell, when you died, 233 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: that was the end, and that was fine with me. 234 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: That's just the way things were. So I went through 235 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: college and medical school with that materialistic mindset, and then 236 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: started to become a psychiatrist with the idea of trying 237 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: to figure out how the brain creates our thoughts and 238 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: our feelings and moderates those things. And then in the 239 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: first few weeks of my psychiatric training, I was asked 240 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: to evaluate a patient in the emergency room who had overdosed. Now, 241 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: I was in the cafeteria eating dinner when the page 242 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: came off and it buzzed on my on my belt 243 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: and I was startled and dropped my fork and actually 244 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: splashed some spaghetti sauce on my tie. I quickly tried 245 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: to wipe it off, unsuccessfully, so I decided to just 246 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: put on a lab called white lab coat and cover 247 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: up button it up so you wouldn't see the stain. 248 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: I was a green intern. I didn't want people to 249 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: think I wasn't I was unprofessional. So I went down 250 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: to the emergence room to see this patient and she 251 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: was totally unconscious. I could not arouse her no matter 252 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: what I did. So I heard that her roommate who 253 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: had brought her into the emergence room was waiting to 254 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: see me um in a room down the hall, so 255 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: I went down the hall, talked to the roommate, got 256 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: background information, what was going on in the patient's life, 257 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: what the stressers were, when she might have taken and 258 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: so forth. It was a very hot evening in late 259 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: Virginia summer. There was no air conditioning in those days, 260 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: so I unbutt my lab coat so I wouldn't sweat 261 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: so much, and unknowingly then exposed the stain on my 262 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: tie for a few minutes. When I finished talking to 263 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: her in about fifteen minutes, I got up to let 264 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: her go, saw the stain and quick the button my 265 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: coat up again, and said goodbye to her and sent 266 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: her home, and then went back to see the patient. 267 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: She was still unconscious, so she was admitted to the 268 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: intensive care unit overnight because she had irregular heartbeats, and 269 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: I arranged to come see her in the morning after 270 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: she awoke well. When I came the next day, she 271 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: was very ground groggy, could barely open her eyes. I 272 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: started by introducing myself, and she said, I know who 273 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: you are. I remember you from last night. Well, That 274 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: kind of stunned me, because I was pretty sure she 275 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: couldn't see me. So I said, I'm surprised at that. 276 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: I thought you were unconscious when I talked to you 277 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: last night. And then she looked me in the eye 278 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: for the first time and said, not in my room, 279 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: I saw you talking to my roommate. Well, that just 280 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: blew me away. I couldn't imagine how that could be. 281 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: She could only have known about that if she had 282 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: followed me down the hall, you know, left her body 283 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: and followed me down the hall. And that clearly was impossible. 284 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: As far as I could tell, I was my body. 285 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: How can you leave it? She sensed my confusion and 286 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: then started to tell me about the conversation they had 287 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: with her roommate. When I asked her what the roommates said, 288 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: where we were sitting, where we were wearing, and finally 289 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: she told me about seeing the spaghetti staying on my tie. 290 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: I just couldn't make any sense of that. However, I 291 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: couldn't deal with my confusion. I was there to help her, 292 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: so I kind of stuffed my feelings aside and tried 293 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: to get back to her and talk with her about 294 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: her suicidal thoughts. And what stresses the war and so forth. 295 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: As I processed this so the next few days, I 296 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: just couldn't make any sense of it at all. I 297 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: tried to tell myself that somebody was playing a trick 298 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: on me, either the patient and the nursing staff they 299 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: included somehow. I just couldn't imagine how it could be, 300 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: but I tried to stuff it out of my mind. 301 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: I just couldn't make anything. I didn't dare tell anyone 302 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: else about it. I'm sure they would think I was 303 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: crazy or gullible, so I just didn't talk about it. 304 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: And it was several years later. In that Raymond Moody 305 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: published a book called Life After Life, in which he 306 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: gave us the term near death experience and described what 307 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: these near death experiences or inn d s were like 308 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: and as it happened around the same time, he started 309 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: his training at the University of Virginia under my supervision. 310 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: So I read his book and talk to them about that, 311 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: and realized for the first time that this incident my 312 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: patient had told me about years earlier was not just 313 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: one isolated event, but part of a worldwide phenomenon that 314 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: millions of people were talking about. I still couldn't understand it. 315 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: And yet as a scientist, I couldn't just turn my 316 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: back on and say these things aren't happening. They clearly were, 317 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: so I thought it was my responsibility to study them 318 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: try to understand them. At the time, I thought there 319 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: must be some simple brain mechanism for this, and that 320 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: was my intent when I started studying them, and now 321 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: here I am fifty years later, still trying to understand them. 322 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: Shortly after Moody wrote his book, he was contacted by 323 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: several other people who wanted to study NDEs and he 324 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: gathered them all together at the University of Virginia where 325 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: we were, and out of that group we formed an 326 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: organization that eventually became the International Association for Near Death 327 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: Studies or ions UH. And this was a group mostly 328 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: at first to support the new death experiences who were 329 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: isolated in different places trying to study this phenomenon, and 330 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: later it became more and more a group to support 331 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: the needative experiences themselves, who are having trouble getting back 332 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: to a quote normal life after the nd I eventually 333 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: moved to the University of Connecticut, where Ken Ring was 334 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: studying new death experiences. I ended up editing the Journal 335 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: of New Death Studies for twenty seven years. We started 336 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: many support groups for new death experiences around the country, 337 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: and we eventually started having annual conferences of the International 338 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: Association for New Death Studies, and gradually, over the next 339 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: decades that come to appreciate more and more how common 340 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: these NDEs are and how important they are, not only 341 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: for the experiences themselves, but for our understanding of what 342 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: it is to be human. I've got one more clip 343 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: to share with you by Dr Bruce Grayson. But isn't 344 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: it interesting that Raymond Moody, who coined the phrase near 345 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: death experience, actually started working underneath Dr Grayson at the 346 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: University of Virginia. I tell you what, there is intelligence 347 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: around each one of us that are trying to influence 348 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: us on the right direction of our lives if we 349 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: just slow down and pay attention. Okay, let's listen. Most 350 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: near death experiences around the world talk about an increased 351 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: sense of spirituality after a near death experience, by which 352 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: they mean roughly a sense of connectedness to other people, 353 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: to nature, to the universe, to the divine. One of 354 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: the questions that people often ask about near death experience 355 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: is whether they provide proof that we survived death. They 356 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: don't provide proof for other people. They certainly provide proof 357 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: of the experience, but not for the rest of us. 358 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: But there are some experiences that do provide something that's 359 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: at least evidence of, not proof, and those are cases 360 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: in which the experiencer encounters a deceased individual who was 361 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: not known at the time to have died. One person 362 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: that I know, Jack, was hospitalized in his mid twenties, 363 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: and he had one nurse who worked with them every day, 364 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: and one day she told him that she was going 365 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: to be taking a long weekend off and there'd be 366 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: other nurses substituting for her. And while she was gone, 367 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: he had another respiratory arrest where he had to be resuscitated, 368 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: and during that arrest, he had a near death experience 369 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: in which he found himself in a beautiful pastoral scene 370 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: and there, too was surprised was this nurse, Anita, walking 371 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: towards him, and she said, Jack, you can't stay here 372 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: with me. You need to go back into your body, 373 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: and I want you to find my parents and tell 374 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: them that I love them and I'm sorry I wrecked 375 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: the Red MGB. He then woke up back in his 376 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: body in his hospital bed. Try to tell this to 377 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: the first nurse who walked into his room. She got 378 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: very upset and left the room in a hurry. It 379 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: turned out that this nurse of his, Anita, had taken 380 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: the weekend off to celebrate her birthday, and her parents 381 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: had surprised her with the gift of a red MGB 382 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: for her twenty first birthday. She got very exited, jumped 383 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: in the car, took off for a drive, lost control, 384 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: crashed into a telephone pole, and died just a few 385 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: hours before Jack's near death experience. Now, there's no way 386 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: he could have known or expected that she was going 387 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: to be dead, and certainly no way he could have 388 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: known how she died, and yet he did, And that 389 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: seems to be evidence that's something about this nurse Anita 390 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: still persisted after her death and was able to communicate 391 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: accurate information to Jack. Does that mean we live forever? 392 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: And not necessarily, It certainly means something about our minds 393 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: can survive death of the body, at least for a time. 394 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: Virtually every near death experieniture that I've talked to has said, 395 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: without any doubt in their minds that we do continue 396 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: after death. No matter how they describe their n D, 397 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: they describe having existed without their physical bodies, when their 398 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: physical bodies were essentially dead, and yet they were feeling 399 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: better than ever. There's got to be more to the 400 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: world than just the physical realm to explain these events. 401 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: I think the ultimate question raised by near death experiences 402 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: is what are we as human beings? Are we just 403 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: physical machines? Are we spiritual beings? Are we some amalgam 404 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: of both. I don't know the answers, but now I'm 405 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: much more comfortable with not having the answers. I think 406 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: the important part of new death experiences is what they 407 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: tell us about this life where and now, that we're 408 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: all interconnected, that we aren't individual people, but we're part 409 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: of something greater. If you don't think the medical community 410 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: knows about the afterlife and is researching it, think again. 411 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: Look up Dr. Bruce Grayson, Dr. Raymond Moody, Dr. Karen Wyatt, Dr. 412 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Leo Gallen, Dr. Alan Hugueno, Dr. Ian Rubinstein, Dr. Mark Pitstick, 413 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: Dr Ann Clark, Dr. Penny sar Tory, And you know 414 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: there are many, many, many more. We're gonna go on 415 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: to our next break, and we're going to dispel some 416 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: myths and things you may be worried about the afterlife. 417 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 418 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 419 00:25:39,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of 420 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and I want to talk 421 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: about some subjects that, Oh some people make it really 422 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: agitated and aggravated and not agree with me here, but 423 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I need to share with you my thoughts. 424 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: I was having a conversation a few days ago and 425 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: this woman was very passionate that she can charge a 426 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: good sum of money to help people remove negative entities 427 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: from them. That's one I talked to someone else, and she, 428 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: as a medium, is charging people a lot of money 429 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: to help their loved ones become unstuck move into the afterlife. 430 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: Oh and did that tick me off? It really did. 431 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm no expert on all things afterlife, but I've been 432 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: at this for now over twenty five years. I have, 433 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: and I want to share with you my thoughts, my 434 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: beliefs from some experiences I've had and from some trusted, 435 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: incredible people. First of all, mediumship dates way back, probably 436 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: from the beginning of time, people were seeing their loved ones. 437 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: But actual mediums that you see that are demonstrating and 438 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: that are giving readings, all of that can be traced 439 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: back to early days when that form of mediumship came about. 440 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: It was at a time where physical mediumship was starting 441 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: to die out because so many con artists came cheating 442 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: people out of their money trying to tell people that 443 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: their loved ones were around. After the major wars, you 444 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: can understand that there is a lot of death. If 445 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: you go back in time, you may have heard of 446 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: the Arthur Finlay College in Stanstead, England, where a lot 447 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: of mediums get their start. A lot of the mediums 448 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: that date back through the seventeen hundreds, the eighteen hundreds, 449 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: you can follow their lineage through this Arthur Finlay College 450 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: up to present day. I have studied at the Arthur 451 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: Finlay College and studied with some of these great mediums 452 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: and they will agree with me on some of the 453 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: things that I have to say. Now we are living 454 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: in twenty two and human beings love to watch reality shows, 455 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: and if you're to look at the news, a lot 456 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: of people pay attention to the negative. Why are there 457 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: very few good news networks because they don't sell more 458 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: eyes want to look at the negative. And I'm not 459 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: saying that some of these things don't exist, but in 460 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: my experience, I've never dealt with them. I want you 461 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: to listen to this through the lens of empowerment. If 462 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: you want to believe in these things and they empower 463 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: you to have a good life, go for it. The 464 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: first thing I want to talk about is these evil 465 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: spirits and negative entities that can attach themselves to you. No, 466 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: being here on earth is the hardest place to be. 467 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: We all know that there's negative people out there. We 468 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: all live in the brain that has quite a bit 469 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: of negativity, not always seeing the glass half full. This 470 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: is the hardest place to be. There are not entities 471 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: that attach themselves to you or your loved ones. Our 472 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: belief system is so strong, and I've done a lot 473 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: of research on the placebo effect. And if you tell 474 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: someone or have a credible authority, tell someone that, say, 475 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: a negative entity is no longer with you, as in 476 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: an exorcism, and all of a sudden that negative behavior stops. 477 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Could be the entity has gone. If you are someone 478 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: worried about negative entities attaching themselves to let it go. 479 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: If you are someone who feels that you must surround 480 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: yourself with protection before talking to your loved one, if 481 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: it works for you, great, However, I don't think it's necessary. 482 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Substitute some gratitude, some of the things you'd like to see, 483 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: and guess what will show up in your path the 484 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: good things now that moves along to earth bound spirits. 485 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: These are people that are stuck, that have not gone 486 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: to the light. Could you imagine telling a parent that 487 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: there's a possibility that their deceased child is stuck. How 488 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: horrible is that? And how horrible is it that there 489 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: are people profiting and charging people to help their loved 490 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: one move on criminal. I say, we are either here 491 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: or we're over there. Here there, eyes open, eyes closed, 492 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: here there, nowhere else. There's no purgatory, no getting stuck. 493 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: I do think there are people that spend a lot 494 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: of time from the afterlife visiting with us, and that's 495 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: their prerogative to do so that helps us feel better. 496 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: There is nothing that you need to do to assure 497 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: that yourself or a loved one moves into the light. 498 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: The moment they leave our earth. They are surrounded by 499 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: loving arms and loving people who will make sure they 500 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: are perfectly well in the afterlife, welcoming them home. There's 501 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: a misconception that there are different places in the afterlife 502 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: that you can go, meaning that if I pass, I 503 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: might not be able to see my loved one because 504 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: they're in a different place. Nope, we all go to 505 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: a very comfortable place that is quite familiar to us 506 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: because it looks like our life here on Earth. I 507 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: always joke that there's still bugs there, no mosquitoes, but 508 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: it's a land of familiarity. It's a land that we know. 509 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: We can spend as much time as we want there. 510 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: And from sources that I've spoken to, they say there 511 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: are levels that we can go to, but we always 512 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: maintain that connection to communicate with those still on Earth. 513 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: Reincarnation is a hot topic, and while it may be true, 514 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: there are many people that feel that people who claim 515 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: to be reincarnated are just very highly mediumistic, so they're 516 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: actually bringing through the memories of someone who has lived. Now. 517 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: Interesting fact, there are people that claim that are the 518 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: reincarnated version of someone, yet mediums have still been able 519 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: to contact that person who has deceased, so is it 520 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: possible to be in two places at once. All food 521 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: for thought. Reincarnation does point to evidence of the afterlife. 522 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: But please don't be afraid that if your loved one 523 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: goes to the afterlife, that they're going to be reincarnated 524 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: and you will never see them again because they're already 525 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: back here. That's not how it works. Rest assured you 526 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: will see your loved one when you pass into the afterlife. 527 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: I want to play another clip for you, just a 528 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: wonderful story that I heard on the television. I think 529 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: one of the voices will sound familiar, but I do 530 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: know you'll enjoy the story. Let's listen. That's what happened 531 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: to you. Well, Um, I got up on my birthday, 532 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: Angel sevent and I wasn't feeling very well. It's kind 533 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: of feeling under the weather. And I took some medicine 534 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: and I found out I was definitely allergic to it 535 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: and I didn't know it at the time. I page 536 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: my husband and from there on I just started going 537 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: in and out. I started blackout. The next thing I 538 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: clearly remember was being in the hospital. I knew I 539 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: was there, I could hear things, but I wasn't really conscious. 540 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: And then The next thing after that I remember was 541 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: seeing myself on the emergency table and they were working 542 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: on me, trying to revive me. And I keep trying 543 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: to have one of those experiences without having an accident 544 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: or anything. So I keep trying to I mean, I said, 545 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: let me leave the body, Let me leave the body. 546 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: But so I want to know when you leave. Are 547 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: you you're conscious that you've left, Yes, you know, but 548 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: you don't understand why. You're kind of ins was on 549 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: the table. Then you're down there, but your conscious mind 550 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: is up above looking down, going why am I down 551 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: there and up here at the same time. You can't 552 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: figure out where are you? What are you doing? When 553 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm right here? But I can see myself down there? 554 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: Makes sense, I must be dead. I at the time, 555 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: I did not know. I couldn't understand because I didn't 556 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: remember what had happened to me. I couldn't remember anything. 557 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: And then I started hearing conversations. I went to look 558 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: for my husband because that would be the first person 559 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: I would look for, and I saw him talking to 560 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: the doctor about me. That I started to listen to 561 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: what are they talking about? And they were saying, U, 562 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: we're doing everything. We can for her, but we don't know. 563 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: And of course my husband got upset, and I saw 564 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: what I had four children. I saw what my children 565 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: were doing. What were they doing? They were kind of 566 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: running around like four children would do. And um, the 567 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: doctor just said, we're doing everything we can and he 568 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: turned around and left, and I watched to see what 569 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: my husband was doing, and he was kind of upset 570 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: and he was talking to the kids. And I followed 571 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: the doctor back into the emergency room and they kept saying, 572 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what to do with her, 573 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know what the problem is. 574 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: And they gave gave me an, um, what's called an 575 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: eppie shot if you're allergic to like, uh, beastings and 576 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: things like that, and they were trying to bring me 577 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: out of it, and I guess it didn't work right away, 578 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: and it took some time to bring me out. When 579 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: did you see your grandmother? After I saw the doctor 580 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: talking to my husband, UM, I kind of drifted off 581 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: for a while, and I guess I closed my eyes 582 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the next thing I remember, 583 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: I was standing there and I saw this long haul 584 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: in this bright white light and lots of out, and 585 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I saw my grandmother and 586 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: I freaked because I knew she had passed away thirteen 587 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: years ago. And then I really panicked. I thought I 588 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: must be dead. How else would I see her? And 589 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: I remember and you saw her standing right in front 590 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: of me, Claire as a bell, and she looked wonderful. 591 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: And I suld wonder on the other side with all 592 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: the spirits, with everybody being the same, and all the 593 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: spirits and souls being the same, be hard to recognize people. Oh, 594 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: it was very clear. I knew that she was. She 595 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,959 Speaker 1: came right up to me and she said, Cindy, you 596 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be here. You you go back and take 597 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: care of your family. It's not your time. I kept saying, Grandma, 598 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: why am I here? And she said, there's been an accident, 599 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: but it'll be explained to you in time. Just just wait, 600 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: but take care of your family. She kept trying to 601 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: tell me to go back. So I turned around and 602 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: I went back. But I couldn't figure out until I 603 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: came out of this. I sat and thought about then 604 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: I realized what had happened. What had happened, Well, basically, 605 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: I was just in limbo that I made the decision 606 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: I feel consciously not to stay there. If I had 607 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: maybe put up a fuss, maybe I wouldn't have come back. 608 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: But you came back being more psychic. I don't know 609 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: if you would call it psychics. You say, she just 610 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: has an uncanny ability now to know what's going to happen, 611 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: sometimes a few hours ahead of time, sometimes months in advance, 612 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: and usually things that involved a family, like like she 613 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: said she was sent back to take care of her family, 614 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: and now she knows like like recently I was transferred 615 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: with my job. She knew about it long before I did. 616 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: Or she knows things that are gonna happen, whether it's work, church, 617 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: the kids, or whatever. She knows about it ahead of time. 618 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: She doesn't always tell us. She may not tell us 619 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: still afterwards. Sometimes she tell us ahead of time, but 620 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: she seems to know things more clearly and understand things 621 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: clearly and before what is it going to take that 622 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: We all live in a world that we know the 623 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: reality of the afterlife, what changes have to take place, 624 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: So communicating with our loved one is just as easy 625 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: as picking up the phone. Good question, well, have that 626 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: and support through some tough times. When we come back. 627 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 628 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 629 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 630 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: I received a very thought provoking email from listener Sean 631 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: who was asking, what does it really take to have 632 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: this world and everybody in it believe in the reality 633 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: of the afterlife? And can we imagine the benefits if 634 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: we all realized we were souls having a human experience 635 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: and our life is for a bigger purpose. He feels 636 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: crime rates would drastically go down. There would be way 637 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: less war. People would actually find inner peace and be 638 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: able to create that in their environment. Death wouldn't have 639 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: to be terrifying to people, Grief wouldn't last so long 640 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: as we all know when someone dies, the pain is 641 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: the worst thing we can imagine. But could you imagine 642 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: that we could just be in touch with that loved 643 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: one across the veil? And also, you think about someone 644 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: who may be diagnosed with terminal illness and given a 645 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: few months to live, well, would they live out their 646 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: final days being afraid of the afterlife? No, They're going 647 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: to cross over and all of their loved ones will 648 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: be there and they'll be help for when they make 649 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: that final passage. Years ago, when the airplane was invented, 650 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: it actually took six years for mankind to not laugh 651 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: and believe in this invention. And now look a hundred 652 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: plus years later and it's just a normal part of life. 653 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: There's a book called The Tipping Point by author Malcolm Gladwell, 654 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: and he says there are three types of people needed 655 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: to change a conversation in the world. There are connectors, 656 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: there are maven's and there are salesmen. And connectors are 657 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: people that have that just a special gift of knowing 658 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people. They're lively, people trust them and 659 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: they're great at introducing people to each other. Mavens are 660 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: people that really do the research. They gather all of 661 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: this information and present it in a credible way. And 662 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: salesmen are the persuaders. They are the people that are 663 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 1: able to take something that maybe people are skeptical about 664 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: and convince them that it really is this way. Malcolm 665 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: Gladwell says all three of them need to be at play, 666 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: and obviously lots of them for that tipping point to occur. 667 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: That more people believe than don't believe, and they can 668 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: carry on their lives with this information being real. Personally, 669 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: I think it's important for us each to have an 670 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: experience of something psychic or mediumistic in nature to know 671 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: the reality of it. There are people like Sonor and 672 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: Aldi who are capturing images and voices of the afterlife. 673 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: I want more people to know what she's up to 674 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: so that they can start experimenting. And the more people 675 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: that can witness these pictures and voices, they'll believe. Ultimately, 676 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: it starts from us talking. Most people on planet Earth 677 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: actually do believe in the afterlife, but they're too afraid 678 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: to open their mouth, thinking that people will think they're crazy. 679 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: So will you take the challenge and share? Just by 680 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: you sharing, regardless of whether you're a maven connector or 681 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: a salesman, will make a difference to mankind. Next, every Friday, 682 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: we get an opportunity to witness trans mediumship and a 683 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: sit for healing through the wonderful long time medium of 684 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: Scott Milligan. What you're about to hear is a gentleman 685 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: named Eric that has been working with Scott for over 686 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: twenty five years. You can always join us on a 687 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: Friday and ask a question yourself. This is the question 688 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: I asked, and I think it really pertains to what's 689 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: going on in the world right now. There is a 690 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: lot of devastation going on in the world. In the 691 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: United States, we have a terrible hurricane that many people 692 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: have lost their homes. There's been injuries, they've lost their income. 693 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: I know various areas of the world. There's a lot 694 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: of suffering. And while we may be able to donate 695 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: financially to help, what can we do from our homes 696 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: to make a difference for our brothers and sisters here 697 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: on earth that are suffering. If one could only understand 698 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: how powerful thoughts can be, as thoughts promote change. What 699 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: you have seen from the embers of this devastation is 700 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: ignited a passion within you to make your commitment, no 701 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: matter who they are, that your love and support is 702 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: there for them. You have skills that can write stories 703 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: that others would enjoy. You have skills to use modern 704 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: technology to reach the full corners of the world and say, 705 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: even though you may not fill my hands, that I 706 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: am here for you. In olden times, my friends, before 707 00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,879 Speaker 1: coins seemed to rule your world, it was a terrible distraction. 708 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: But a slice of bread can mean the world to someone, 709 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: but they see the enjoyment from the master's hand that 710 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: need the dough that turned it into bread. What one 711 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: can do from their state of residence is to think 712 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: and make commitment that if I can support, I will. 713 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: But instead of reaching across your world, is it not 714 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: wiser to reach to your neighbor first. The person that 715 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: lives close to you may be also going through trauma 716 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: and taughtment. You may be the first person they have 717 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: seen of the first conversation that they've shared within weeks. 718 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: For you to address those who are closest to you first, 719 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: from the devastation it has inspired you to start a 720 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: conversation and author. If your table overflows, then fix a 721 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: platter that you can give to someone who has lesser. 722 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: If one is to go further upon this, but our 723 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: world already said to all of you that the time 724 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: of change is a ton you you will fill the 725 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: thrust of it. Financial systems will crumble, rivers will swell 726 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: or dry. Your world is rapidly changing because it has 727 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: inherited mistakes from others. But from this, my friends, you 728 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 1: all can make a commitment that you can change your 729 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: ways and ride the crest of change instead of drown 730 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: within the ocean of denial. So many people in your 731 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: world denied the change, and now you have seen it. 732 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: Even those who were not born had inherited it. So 733 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: good thoughts create the ripples of change. Negative thoughts throw 734 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: the stones that block the stream. For if we were 735 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: to call it the beast, the beast's fribes on negativity. 736 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: Feed it, kindness, feed it, so it becomes kind. So, 737 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: my friends, your modern technology brings to you what is happening. 738 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: But this is happening all round your world. For if 739 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: you cannot stand next to your brother or your sister, 740 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: send good thoughts to them. And of course, if the 741 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: table overflows, whatever you can and whatever you wish. But 742 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: also remember that outside the four woes of your residence, 743 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: there is a neighbor who may not have the gentle 744 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: understanding what you possess to start a conversation with them, 745 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: and change will be there. So, my friend, nice saviors, 746 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: to you, our world is already responding. Your prayers are 747 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: given us strength to have a deeper hold in your world, 748 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: to bring or highlight or influence for someone who is 749 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: passionate to where the uniform to be a savior. We 750 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: try to influence them to look around the corner, to 751 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: make sure they look at each building, to ensure that 752 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: there is no one alone. So we try to influence 753 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: those who are rescuing, who are indeed inspired, to then 754 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: help the one in need. There was concern of a 755 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: certain river that the bank is becoming weak. People of 756 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: my world are trying to highlight this, and your world 757 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:40,280 Speaker 1: has responded. But we have said it who always become 758 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: stronger before it gets better. Change is painful, change is unnerving. 759 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: But our commitment to you is that we will not 760 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: abandon you, And if you wish to adopt that, don't 761 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: abandon each other. It was once written, be not afraid 762 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: of the one that stills thy code, but be afraid 763 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: of the one that stills thy soul. Interpreted that in 764 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: your own way, that someone may take your life, but 765 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 1: will not take your eternal existence. Sound of my dead. 766 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: It may not allow you to sleep easier, but I 767 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: say this to you. Your thoughts are hurt, but our 768 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: thoughts can be received back to you before you go 769 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: to your rest. So as you go to sleep and rest, 770 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: send your prayers and give us a strength to have 771 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: a greater hold in your woe that my friends will 772 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: help spiritually, mentally, and of course if you are influenced, 773 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: it will be physically. One last reminder to go to 774 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: We Don't Die dot com, click on radio shows and 775 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,800 Speaker 1: see the pictures of Michael and my dad coming through 776 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: Sonia and all these experiments. I'm Sanders Champlain. Thank you 777 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 778 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 779 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast 780 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: to Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and 781 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: check out all our shows on the I Heart Radio 782 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: app or by going to I Heart Radio dot com. 783 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,320 Speaker 1: M M