1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Otleep Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three twelve two 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: The Doug Otleep Show at Foxsportsradio dot com, or stream 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching apps. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: R A very happy Thursday to you, and I am 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: very happy. I am very very happy. Erin Torres. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: You want to know why, I could take a couple guesses, 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: but I'll let you. Uh, I'll let you tell me. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: Well. I could have come in a really sour mood 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: because nobody here yesterday wished me a happy half birthday. 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: No one did at all. The card is always in 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: the mail. I can't speak cry, not a not a 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: half birthday yesterday. In fact, I didn't even say anything 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: to see if you guys would wish me the happy 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: half birthday. So I came here today for flesh. I 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: came for my pound of flesh. But I was softened 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: because it's the first round of the Open Championship. It 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: is also Erin where we found out that the Seahawks 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: and Buccaneers, who came into the National Football League in 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, honoring their fiftiest seasons in the league, 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: will be wearing both teams their throwback uniforms when they 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: play in early October. Bucco Bruce will be there, the 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: Seahawks and their old silver helmets that were such a 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: hit when they were brought back last year. It really 26 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: really made me feel good. And you know what else 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: made me feel good. Caitlin Clark is in the news again. 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: Can they had a fever star? Yes, we are talking 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 2: Kitlyn Clark, fresh off of that huge SPI win last 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: night of WNBA. I can't even say it with a 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: straight face. Erin. By the way, we're gonna give you 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: updates throughout. If you missed any of the SP's last night, 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: we're gonna kind of give you a little flavor of it. 34 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Do the guys have it cooked up? 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: Do we have a little bit? Oh, they're they're working 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: in the back there. So if you so much to captain, 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: if you missed any of the worst TV show in 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: the history of TV shows, we're going to bring some 39 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: of it to you. Shing Gillis was on fire last night, 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: but the whole premise of the the SPS pretty much 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: annoysed the heck out of me, But we'll still give 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: you a little bit of a flavor if you missed it. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: You know what the sps are. 44 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: A good example of that is the dude who tells 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: you when his half birthday is so that you have 46 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: to then write down when his actual birthday is, or 47 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, you feel guilty about it after So what wou. 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: It was too much to ask? I don't think it 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: was too much to ask that six months from now, 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: now less than that, I will be having another birthday. 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Manzi's is next week her half birthday? Right? 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Yes it is? What were you more effic? 53 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: But I don't care about my half birthday. I'm sorry you. 54 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 4: Thank you for reminding me Dan that it's my half birthday. 55 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: I mean, my literal birthday was last week and I 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: got zero from you. But that's good. 57 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: That's true. He's got this conundrum where he's like, fourth 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: of July his birthday, his anniversary, my work adversary July 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: fourth too. 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole deal. But you know it's your 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: wife's birthday or something as well. July fourteenth. It was 62 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: on Monday, but you know, the most important birthday tourus, 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 3: by the way, broke now because of everything that he 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: had to buy you the idea. Yes, I literally looked 65 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: at my bank account this week. Yes, thank you. Yes, 66 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 3: it's been If July just didn't exist, you know, I'd 67 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: be living a much more charmed life. But yeah, the 68 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: most important day on the calendar around this time, my 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: dog's birthday is June twenty ninth, So that's the that's 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: the big celebration. And then it just slowly just trickles downhill. 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: From the dog lovely gives you a rondov applause for 72 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: that one. Do we have a little taste of the 73 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: spis from last night? Let's let's give it. Let's let's 74 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: let's get a little taste and who cares? Wow, that 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: was my favorite one too. I wanted to save the 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: flatulence for later, but who wanted to do it? Our 77 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: one secon one go right ahead, let's hear it again 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: and the sp goes too. Okay, all right, all right, enough, 79 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: we can't continuously play it because I've taken FCC training. 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: I think I'm already pushing the limits. Caitlyn Clark, I'm 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: sorry eron your point about Kaitlin Clark, who by always 82 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: gonna miss the All Star Game, is gonna miss the 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: three point shootout. The reason why she sat out last 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: year's three point shootout was so she could take part 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: of this year's three point shootout, and then she gets hurt. 86 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: It seems to be the type of season that it's 87 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: been for Caitlin Clark in the Indiana Fever. 88 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think that it's obviously a bummer. Listen, 89 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 3: she is the star of not only that league, but 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: you know, she's why we watched, She's why we're interested. 91 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting. 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: I feel like. 93 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: Last year we no one could have a genuine, honest 94 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: conversation about hers. Too much, too soon. You don't want 95 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: a crown her, You don't want to this. Why is that? 96 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: Why does she get so much attention? And now this year? 97 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: Am I the only one that noticing that she's kind 98 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: of struggle in a little bit this year? Point total down, 99 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: rebounding total down to her credit, assist totals up, three 100 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: point shooting percentage at twenty seven percent, down from thirty 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: thirty four and a half percent a year ago. Listen, 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: injuries happen, Disappointing seasons happen. I get all that. But 103 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: if we didn't have the honest conversation about Kaitlyn Clark 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: last year, it feels like it's time to have the 105 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: honest conversation this year. And it feels like there's almost 106 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: a you know, correction of sorts of well, we were 107 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: too critical, we didn't give enough credit last year, so 108 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: we have to continue to give credit even when it's 109 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: not worthy. 110 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: This year, I don't think we're remotely close to having 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: that honest conversation, That's what I mean. Yeah, like it is, 112 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: it is not to that point. And by the way, 113 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm guilty of it. You're not the only one who's 114 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: pointed out the difficulties of Kitlyn Clark, and I don't 115 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: feel that I've been one way or the other. And 116 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: then I was doing a shit with Carrie Rhodes, who 117 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: does the show on Sunday Afternoons with Monzies with me 118 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: during football season. The former All Pro safety is a 119 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: hoopad and he pointed out some of the numbers that 120 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: you did, and I just kind of was like, all right, dude, whatever, 121 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: you know. I like, this is Caitlyn Clark, That's what's 122 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: going on. But the point is is that if you 123 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 2: want to have a real basketball discussion about Caitlyn Clark, 124 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: there is a lot of room for criticism. Doug had 125 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: a conversation about it last year when we definitely weren't 126 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: ready to have a real conversation about Caitlin Clark, and 127 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: he was criticized heavily because he talked about her shot, 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: the actual physical motion of her, of her shooting motion, 129 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: and Doug was heavily criticized by it. I think last 130 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: night at the I didn't want to make it about 131 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: the SPS, but how in the world does she win 132 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: Best w NBA Player? Sure like there's there's there's there's 133 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: no point in in pointing that out. I get it 134 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: if you're not putting her as the best player in 135 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: the national or the in the w NBA, But when 136 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: you're putting her ninth in the backcourt of guards like 137 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: that seems to be a little of extreme. There seems 138 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: to be like a sort of bias. I also think 139 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: that the overcorrection is obviously a bias as well, and 140 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: the reaction that you get on that side of it 141 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: is just as bad as if you heavily criticize her, 142 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: say that she's not good enough. And I think what 143 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: we've seen in the last I don't know a couple 144 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: of weeks in terms of even what we saw last night. 145 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: I don't think we're ready to have that point because 146 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: you have you know, Jamie Hill was pointing out how 147 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: many games she has played and those sort of things. 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: I feel the stats are convenient when it's for people's argument. 149 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: When it's not convenient for their argument, then they don't 150 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: go to the stats. They say different things and the 151 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: argument changes. And so now to your point of the overcorrection, 152 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: I feel that the overcorrection is now used by the 153 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: people who unwillingly or I should say, unvalidate without validation. 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: Last year we're criticizing Gitlin Clark. Now they have the 155 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: numbers on their side. Last year it was the other 156 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: way around. Yeah, a couple of things on that. 157 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: So, first of all, you know, I want to be clear, 158 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: just because she's struggling in a way that she didn't 159 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: last year doesn't mean that she can't go on to 160 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: do all of the things that we expected her to 161 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: do at IOWA a year ago. You know, we all 162 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: watched the last Dance. I mean, Michael Jordan's second year 163 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: was basically wiped out by that foot injury, right, and 164 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: so it's not to say that she can't reach the 165 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: potential that we all think she can get to. But again, 166 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: it's also the honest conversation. And I swear you're gonna 167 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: laugh at this. When I saw that she won the 168 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: SB for Best Female whatever, I mean, I hate to 169 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: say it, but I guess WNBA Yes, Okay, Well, I'm 170 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: sorry that I didn't have it, you know, in my my, 171 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: my slew of notes here. But I was kind that 172 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: was kind of when the light bulb went off of like, 173 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: she was really good last year. Her team lost early 174 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: in the playoffs, she was awesome, She put up record 175 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: numbers for a rookie. She probably wasn't the best WNBA 176 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: player and so and that was my thing, is like 177 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: we were so either over critical or you didn't want 178 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: to acknowledge her last year. Not you, but the hypothetical 179 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: proverbial audience that watches this and covers it in whatever. 180 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: And it feels like, oh, man, like we screwed up. 181 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: So we have to, you know, for lack of a 182 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: better term, participation trophy her with pretty much everything. She's awesome, 183 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: she's amazing, she's this, she's that, And to your point. 184 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: You know, the people aren't talking about the stats, which 185 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: are clearly regressing, and I think it's worth noting that, yes, 186 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 3: she has been injured. 187 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 2: I get it. 188 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: But one thing about all these great athletes, no matter 189 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: who we're talking about, once you step between those lines, 190 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: yes we understand that you're not one hundred percent, but 191 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: we hold you to a certain standard. You know, whether 192 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: it's you know, I was talking to you before Jalen 193 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: Hurts two seasons ago. He was banged up the back 194 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 3: half of the year. But it's like, oh, what's wrong 195 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: with Jalen Hurts? Did they pay him too soon? Blah 196 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. You go on to any athlete 197 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, you know, starts slow because he misses training camp. Well, well, 198 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: why isn't Joe Burrow? And so the only point I'm 199 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: trying to make is I understand she's injured, because I 200 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: know that's going to be the first reaction for people 201 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: listening to this. But every great athlete, once you step 202 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: between those white lines, there is a baseline expectation that 203 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: if you're healthy enough to play, that you're going to contribute, 204 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: and if you're struggling, we will be critical of that, 205 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: and I think I think people have largely avoided that 206 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: this year. 207 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 2: And that's why I don't think that we can have 208 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: the honest conversation. And there's also something different about Caitlin Clark. 209 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: And I'm going to use Lebron James for the example 210 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: because the example of a player that I felt was 211 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: unfairly criticized was in the twenty fourteen finals when le 212 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: Bron's body just cramped up, his entire body. He was 213 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: carrying the heat. He was the only thing that they 214 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: really had against the Spurs. And it's one hundred and 215 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: twenty degrees in the arena, you know, midsummer in San 216 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: Antonio Esse. I've been there, retired because I know you 217 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: went to a final. I was at the seven finals, 218 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: so this was a different finals. But yeah, it's toasty. 219 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: I get it. There was air conditioning issue. His body 220 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: cramps up and he was caring. He was the only 221 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: thing that he really had. And people are like, Lebron 222 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: can't finish the game because he cramps. Body cramped up. 223 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: Like when I'm in the pool of my foot cramps, 224 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: it's over. It's done with, Like it's the worst. If 225 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: you get a hamstring cramp. It's like I was shot 226 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: in the legs right, like it's just immediate. Yet Lebron like, dude, 227 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: why can't you finish the game? 228 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: Ah? 229 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: Because he probably can't physically walk. I bring that up 230 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: because I don't think that Lebron has been used as 231 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: a pawn by both sides, but I feel that Caitlyn 232 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: Clark has agree and so now no no shame in 233 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: sophomore slump. But even though I'm saying that, I feel 234 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: there's a portion of the audience that is saying, well, 235 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: you're on Caitlin Clark's side, and so Caitlyn Clark is 236 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: not allowed any grace because of everything that is come 237 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: with her. And this is where the back and forth 238 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: and the choosing comes from. So I actually feel, as 239 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: crazy as it sounds, for all the success that she's had, 240 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: she's a pawn and she's a victim at all of this. 241 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: And that's why, to your point, I don't think we 242 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: can have a real, fair, honest conversation about it, because 243 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: everybody is using all of this information as weapons, either 244 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: good or bad. 245 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: Well, and you know, it reminds me of yesterday we 246 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: were in for Cavino and Rich we talked about Belichick 247 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: versus Robert Kraft and essentially that you're no matter how 248 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: you feel about the Patriots dynasty, there's nothing coming out 249 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: that is going to change your opinion. And I kind 250 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: of feel like that's how it is with Kate Clark. 251 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: Is like, if you love her, she's awesome. She's the 252 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 3: best thing that ever happened to women's basketball. She's the 253 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: greatest three point shooter that's ever lived. Blah blah blah, 254 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: this and that, and then of course if you don't 255 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: love her, oh, it's it's because of privilege, and you know, 256 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: what does she want? And you know, she just gets 257 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: too much credit because of this, and dah dah, da dah. 258 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: And I guess you know, you and I are the 259 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 3: only ones that maybe you and Carrie a couple of 260 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: days ago, but there aren't very many people that actually 261 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: do want to have the conversation and actually be critical 262 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: for the on the court performance, critical for whatever. And 263 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: I think the word he used it pawn is correct 264 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: and probably accurate from the perspective of nobody actually wants 265 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: to sit here and break down her game and say, oh, 266 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: you know, well, whatever whatever stat whatever number, whatever video 267 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 3: you want to use. They just want to say we 268 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 3: either lover this is why, we either hate her this 269 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 3: is why, and nobody wants to kind of meet in 270 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: the middle on either side. 271 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: Well, the only other person that I feel on a 272 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: general major sports talk level that we talk about their 273 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: performance is Angel Reese. I'm gonna say something. I know 274 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Nafisa Collier is the other captain in the All Star Game, 275 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: and she's a star player for the Minnesota Lynx. I 276 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: have zero idea if her numbers are up or down 277 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: from the year priorct same thing with Brandon Stewart, same 278 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: thing with the WNBA MVP Asia Wilson of years past. 279 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: I have no idea if her numbers are better or worse. 280 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: And so that's another part of not having a real 281 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: conversation because I feel like if we are talking about 282 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, or we are talking we know the quarterbacks 283 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: in the National Football League, you know. And so that's 284 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: why it goes back to Clark again being upon in 285 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: all of this and people using their information to their 286 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: own for their own weapon their own weaponry, is what 287 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say. But it's it's funny because I 288 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: just know, I know Angel Reese, we look at her, 289 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: we break her down, and we do the same with 290 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: with Kitlyn Clark. And honestly, it's funny that you say 291 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: that because we had a conversation last year that went 292 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: in a bunch of different directions, because Jason Stewart is 293 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: usually the executive producer of the show, made the point 294 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: that Kitlyn Clark got our picture taking with Aaron Judge 295 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: and said that this is the state of baseball because 296 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark was way more popular than Aaron Judge. I 297 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: was in Monty was in that day and I said, well, 298 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: wait a second, and then we did a vote around 299 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: the room. Remember this, Yeah I wasn't here, but I remember, yeah, 300 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: Sam was there, and it was eighty percent in favor 301 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: of Caitlyn Clark over Aaron Judge of popularity. And I 302 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: guess the point why I bring that up is at 303 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: that time, I was saying, Aaron Judge has this longevity 304 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: that he has been around, and there is more stock 305 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: in the game. A year later, after making the comments, 306 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: if Caitlin Clark just say she continues this way or 307 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: the play doesn't improve, and I don't want to because 308 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: she's not an everyday player, but if this is more 309 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: the norm than maybe what she did at the end 310 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: of last year, she still made such enormous strides in 311 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: the WNBA that I was wrong about last year because 312 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: the league has just completely changed because of her. To 313 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: have that honest conversation maybe down the line, but the 314 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: one thing that I guess the haters will never be 315 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: able to truly shoot down and defend is that she 316 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: changed the game. And that's my ultimate takeaway. If she 317 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: if this ends up being her, let's just say her 318 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: body isn't maybe physically meant for this. I mean, she 319 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: didn't play it unrivaled, she didn't play in that league, 320 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: so this was her really only season that she's been playing. 321 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: If maybe physically she's not able to do it, her 322 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: mark has been made in the w NBA. 323 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that's a conversation to have down 324 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: the road, but I do agree. First of all, I 325 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: do agree with that is if she retired tomorrow, if 326 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: she had, let's God forbid, she had to retire tomorrow, 327 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: the impact that she had. And I say this, you know, 328 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: it's funny as somebody who you know, I think I 329 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: probably have a little bit more of a background in 330 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: women's basketball, just because where I grew up in Connecticut, 331 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned Fisakllier. You know, I grew up 332 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: like we would have the Yukon women's game with Alanna 333 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: Tarazi and Sue byrd On in the background, and I'm 334 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: ready to you know, I'll readily admit no player before 335 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: her has had the impact that she has had. And 336 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: so I do think it's interesting where you can go ahead. 337 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: Say no, no, I will when you're done, but go ahead. 338 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: All I was gonna say was I do wonder if 339 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: it's just a basketball thing, because you know, you mentioned Lebron, 340 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: and it does feel like there's a side on Lebron. 341 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: He's the goat, he's this, he's that. We don't talk 342 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 3: about the fact that in what four of his six 343 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: years or five of his seven years with the Lakers, 344 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: they've either lost in the first round or missed the 345 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 3: plapp No, he's the goat, he's this, he's that. And 346 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: then there's the other side that can't acknowledge that at worst, 347 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 3: he's the second best player of all time, and you 348 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: know we should enjoy him while we have him. So 349 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: maybe it's a basketball thing. You know, we mentioned football. 350 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: Football is on once a week we all watch it. 351 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: You know, Patrick Mahomes is playing ten standalone games every 352 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: year in a way that most basketball players aren't. I 353 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: don't know if that's it, but it does feel like 354 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: a uniquely basketball thing. 355 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: And I'll just finish with this. My point with the 356 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: Legacy is it doesn't matter how many points she scores. 357 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter with how many assists she has, doesn't 358 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: matter if her turnovers or up or down, doesn't matter 359 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: if her assist a turnover ratio is magnificent or it's awful. 360 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: It's just the fact of what she has done to 361 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: change the league. So that was kind of just my 362 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: point of talking about legacy. See Whise like, she may 363 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: only be this player, but the thing that people can't 364 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: ever deny is the changing of the league. In a 365 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: year ago, Aaron I thought to myself that she needed 366 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: to continue on this rise. Sam was here that day, 367 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: even said, because Sam was even making the argument, I 368 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: think Moncey was as well of where Caitlyn Clark could go. 369 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, but Aaron Judge has the equity 370 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 2: because he's been there longer. He's that's why he's more popular. 371 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: He's done it for more years and I want to 372 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: see what happens with Caitlin Clark. But the thing a 373 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: year later that I can't deny is even if she 374 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: stays like this, which I hope she doesn't, I hope 375 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: this is just a dip in her career and that 376 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: she stays healthy. I can't deny what she did to 377 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: the WNBA, which should make her the winner of the 378 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge argument. Yeah, no, I don't disagree, Iowa, Sam 379 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: or you are you in on the Caitlin Clark understanding 380 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: that this just isn't her year as the as the 381 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: unofficial fan here at Fox Sports Radio, Yeah. 382 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 5: You know you can attribute sophomore slumps to injury, just 383 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 5: people you know, changing their game to defend her. It's 384 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 5: I just think that the Caitlin Clark discussion swings so 385 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 5: far in each direction, right, you guys are touching on 386 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 5: that earlier. It's not really fair to her. It's either 387 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 5: like far in one direction, far in another. And the 388 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 5: fact of the matter is, like I am going to 389 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 5: say that her injury should be an asterisk of for 390 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 5: why she's been playing this way. I just think there's 391 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 5: an immense amount of pressure on her to keep carrying 392 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 5: this league, and she's a year and a half into 393 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 5: her WNBA career, and you know, I think that the 394 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 5: stress of the pressure being on you can break your 395 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 5: body down. I really think that you can have you 396 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 5: can suffer from injuries just from having a lot of 397 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 5: spotlight on you. Maybe she just hasn't had the chance 398 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 5: to really like work with, you know, being a celebrity 399 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 5: and try and improve her game. She needs to get 400 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 5: into a certain headspace and get her body right. We're 401 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 5: halfway through her second year. We could see the second 402 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 5: second half of her season play out. They get to 403 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 5: the playoffs, maybe they make a run to like the 404 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 5: second round or something. Do we call that season? We 405 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 5: call it a success? I think we would. And again 406 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 5: in the WNBA Player of the Year for the SP's 407 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 5: is an interesting conversation. You're giving the they're giving the 408 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: award out in July when most sports are on hiatus. 409 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 5: You're halfway through her second year, so it's like, when 410 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 5: do you start the calendar when you look at what 411 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 5: she's done over a course our calendar. 412 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: Well, she shouldn't have won a meaningless award anyway. Last night, 413 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, I don't put much stock into it. No, 414 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: I put zero. If I could do less than zero, 415 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: I would. I would because I agree negative nine million into. 416 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 5: I would say that she wasn't the player of the year. 417 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 5: She's the rookie of the year. Maybe for all of 418 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 5: the things she did bringing attention and breaking bars. She's 419 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: the player of the year in the SP's eyes. But 420 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: it's like where do you start the calendar? Where do 421 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 5: you start looking at the good? The good runs to 422 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 5: a certain amount, and then then it's like a story. 423 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 5: You have your ups and your downs, your triumphs and 424 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 5: your failures. 425 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: The funny thing is that Mantia I do want to 426 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 2: just quick get your thoughts and then we'll put a 427 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 2: bow on it. The sps are for ratings, and there 428 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: were ten WNBA teams in action last night, so nobody 429 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: of the WNBA was in it. So there's nobody there 430 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: to boo. Nobody there, and if you actually cared about 431 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: the WIBA, you were probably watching the games that were 432 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: being played instead of a stupid award show that doesn't 433 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: mean anything. And so they just gave the award to 434 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: Kitlin Clark because it's better for their ratings. I'm sure 435 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 2: to see if Caitlin Clark would win. Oh my goodness, 436 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: I gotta watch next year. That's the only reason why 437 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: she got it. Sorry, Manzi, back to square one. You've 438 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: always been a Caitlin Clark backer like Sam. 439 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: I have been, and I am and I understand to 440 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: an extent when you guys are saying that overall, honestly, 441 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: it's just been an underwhelming second year for Kaitlyn Clark. 442 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 4: And it's been underwhelming. Whether it's injury, whether it's stressed, 443 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 4: whether it has just been underwhelming. 444 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: Well, and I just want to reiter at the point 445 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: that I made earlier. It doesn't mean that she can't 446 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: continue to blossom. You know, I have a reference that 447 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: you know, Michael Jordan, we all watched left the last 448 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 3: dance like year two was wiped out by a foot injury, 449 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: and I went back and looked it up average thirty 450 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: seven the next year. So you know, I'm not saying 451 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 3: I'm just saying. 452 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: It is right. 453 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 4: This isn't a judgment to what it's going to be 454 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: like for the future. Is just right now underwhelming. 455 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: I agree Aaron called in an overcorrection, and I just 456 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: think that a different audience has different ammunition. Now that's true, 457 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: Like the power of the stats or the power of 458 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: statistics has now switched in your argument, in your in 459 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: not your but in the biased argument around Kaitlin Clark. 460 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: And the only thing I would say is I call 461 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: it an overcorrection. But to your point, by definition, if 462 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: you've already decided and you're not getting off of that, 463 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: then you can't overcorrect because your decision was already made, 464 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 3: probably before she came into the WNBA, but certainly by 465 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: the end of the season last year. 466 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: He's Eron Torres. I'm Dan byer Monci is here, as 467 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: is Iowa Sam Ryan Bersinger as our executive producer because 468 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: I feel a draft our tirect player of the Day 469 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: comes up in a bit as well. But I brought 470 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: up Aaron Judge and while he may be sitting there 471 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: in this shadow of Caitlin Clark, should he really be 472 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: in the shadow of others in Major League Baseball? We'll 473 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: talk about it next on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks for 474 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. 475 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live weekday three to five 476 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 477 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports 478 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: Radio Dot com or stream US live every day on 479 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app by searching fs R. 480 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: By the way, you didn't Monster didn't have an update. 481 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: But if you missed any of the SP's last night, 482 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: here's a little. 483 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 5: Taste, okay, and the SP goes. 484 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: To, okay, do we have anything outside of you have anything? Okay? Okay? Alright, 485 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: goes too okay. There what a waste of time the 486 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: sps were. And I know that we've maybe wasted more 487 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: time talking about how much of a waste of time 488 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: the SP's were. But like, let's on our athletes again. 489 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: Who needs an MVP award when you've got this amazing, 490 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: amazing Aaron Judge. I don't think he was there last night. 491 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I didn't. I didn't watch it 492 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: and see that Aaron Judge is getting ready for the 493 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: second half of the Major League Baseball season. He's sitting 494 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: there with a career home run total that saw him 495 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: be the fastest player to ever reach three hundred and 496 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: fifty home runs, and for how quickly he did it, 497 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: Aaron one thousand and eighty eight games. Mark McGuire was 498 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: the second fastest twelve hundred and eighty That is almost 499 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: two hundred games. It is more than a full season 500 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: of games for Aaron Judge to reach three hundred and 501 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: fifty home runs. He did it in a season plus 502 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: quicker than Mark McGuire did. I find that feat remarkable 503 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: considering how much I feel that we care about home runs. 504 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: So on the heels of us talking about Caitlyn Clark 505 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: and last year, I'm trying to make an argument on 506 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: how Aaron Judge is more popular. I'm not sure if 507 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: that's the case now, aside from our Caitlin Clark conversation, 508 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: because I don't think we're making a bigger deal or 509 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: as big of a deal out of where he is 510 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: right now, the season that he's having right now, and 511 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: what Aaron Judge is actually doing on the diamond. 512 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you and I filled in, I believe 513 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: for cn R maybe gott leeb a few weeks ago, 514 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 3: the night the day after Clayton Kershaw got his three 515 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: thousand strikeout, we started talking about records that will never 516 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: be broken and who's on pace for this and what 517 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: it would take for whoever, you know who. I can't 518 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: even remember who's the next guy online, but anyway, how 519 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: long it would take so and so to get there 520 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 3: and so to have a stat like this for a 521 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: to your point, a record that is arguably, I mean, 522 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: I know it's a little skewed because of the Barry 523 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: Bond stuff, but arguably one of the most coveted records 524 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: in all of sports. We have a guy living it 525 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: every day on you know, on path to be in 526 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 3: the conversation by the end, by the way, playing for the. 527 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: Yankees too great point. 528 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: You know, I don't mean to be a jerk, and 529 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: I know everybody always defaults to the Pittsburgh Pirates or 530 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Rays or the Kansas City Royals. He's 531 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: not doing this with the Royals on a fourth place team. 532 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: He is doing it for the one of the two 533 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: pre brands in the sport. And I am surprised. I 534 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: actually didn't know about this until you brought it up yesterday. 535 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: It's funny because my argument when talking about the pictures 536 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: is I just I feel like when they were what 537 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: only you know, twenty pitchers to accomplish the feed or 538 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: whatever it was, that it shows you how select the 539 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: company is, and so that shows you on how special 540 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: the players are. And there are certain players who are 541 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: young in their career that are just special and will 542 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: be treated different throughout. And I feel that Aaron Judge 543 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: when we're talking about home runs, is in that conversation. 544 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there thinking to myself, why aren't we 545 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: talking about this more? And I thought, were they talking 546 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: about this back in the day when Hank Aaron was 547 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: hitting bomb after bomb, where they like, he's sitting there 548 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: at three hundred and fifty home runs and he's almost 549 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: halfway to Babe Ruth's record of seven fourteen. I don't 550 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 2: think that was the conversation. In fact, throughout other players' careers. 551 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: I'm thinking back of when do we really start to 552 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: care and it's probably around five, Yeah, five hundred, I 553 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: think that's probably the correct number. But I think Judge 554 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: is giving us reason to watch, and maybe we aren't 555 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 2: fulfilling our duties of being interested considering the type of 556 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: season that he's having and just what he's doing with 557 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: home runs. Like I could, I could understand if people 558 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: like oh, I didn't realize Era Judge in the running 559 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: for you know, the Triple Crown. Totally get that, but 560 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: for the fascination that we have for the home run 561 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: and what we love and the magical number of it. 562 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: I just don't think it's getting enough PUB. 563 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: I mean, think about this two year over year as 564 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: he hits his thirties. He turned thirty in April of 565 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, sixty two home runs that year, thirty 566 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: seven the following year. He didn't miss about sixty games, 567 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 3: fifty eight last year, and he obviously has thirty five 568 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: at the All Star break right now. So I think 569 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: that's just it's just incredible the amount of consistency that 570 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: he has had as he hit his thirties. You know, 571 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: I do wonder if starting the career a little bit 572 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: later because of playing in college obviously at Fresno State, 573 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: impacts it at all. But the guy is unbelievable, And 574 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: you're right, I don't know exactly why he isn't getting 575 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: more PUB. I don't know if it's his personality. I 576 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: don't know if Otani just overwhelms the baseball national discourse. 577 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: But the guy's unbelievable. What's also a small portion of this, 578 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: and it doesn't directly go into the total number of 579 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: games in the three point fifty mark, but there's a 580 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: COVID season that great con is that he basically lost 581 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: one hundred games. Let's just say misses twenty that year. 582 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: Eighty games that he misses half of a season, and 583 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: we're talking about greatness. I'm curious to see at the 584 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: end of the of his career on if that's going 585 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: to end up playing playing a role. 586 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: I'll just say this. You know, it's funny, we don't 587 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: really factor that in anywhere else, you know, like with 588 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: Lebron just as a you know, historic all time great 589 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I guess with the NFL, they basically 590 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: played a full season, so that's a little bit different. 591 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: But like with Lebron, you know, we talk about how 592 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: the season was broken up, how do we judge his 593 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: how do we judge I guess maybe it's because baseball 594 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: was the only one that really had such a truncated season, 595 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: And now that we're talking it out, you know, college 596 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: basketball obviously missed the NCAA tournament. College football, I think 597 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: most of those SEC teams got in about the same 598 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: number of games that they would have in the end. 599 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: So maybe maybe it's just a uniquely baseball thing, but 600 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: that was something you know, I just saw the twenty 601 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: twenty stats and kind of forgot, Oh, that's right. They 602 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: played what sixty regular season games something to that effect 603 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: in empty stadiums that year. 604 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: And even at the end, it doesn't even out because 605 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: that would be in the young, you know, prime of 606 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: his career of where he could have had those home runs, 607 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: so you could have seen an astronomical number as opposed 608 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: to if you were to play, if you were to 609 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: save the energy, if we think of it that way, 610 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: or elongated his career because he didn't have a full season, Well, 611 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: I would rather have the games when i'ms and on 612 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: the back end of when I'm in my late thirties 613 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: trying to. 614 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: Hit twenty eight. He would have been twenty twenty. That's 615 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: your physical peak. 616 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely, he is Eron Torres. I'm Dan Byer. 617 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: Only cal Raley right now standing in the way of 618 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge and that triple crown, plus what Showhey Otani does. 619 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: I feel overshadows Judge just because of the uniqueness of 620 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: show Ay and his greatness. I feel that that also 621 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: plays a role in all of this. He is Eron Torres. 622 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb today on Fox 623 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: Sports Radio. Coming up next, the All Star Break is 624 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: done tomorrow games resume in the second half takes off. 625 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: What storylines are you looking forward to in the second 626 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: half of the baseball season. We'll tell you next here 627 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks for listening to The Doug 628 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: Gotleb Show podcast. 629 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from three 630 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 631 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gotlieb Show at 632 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: Foxsports Trader dot com, or stream us live every day 633 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 634 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: Dog Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's erin Torres. I'm 635 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: Dan Byer, going to continue to talk baseball. Asa Bonti 636 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: Blanios has a game for us. Cody tweeted in to 637 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: my point about Aaron Judge missing games with the COVID 638 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: season in twenty twenty and only playing sixty that year. 639 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: He said, don't forget major League Baseball at strike shortened 640 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: seasons as well. I don't know how they fell with 641 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: every certain player, but obviously nineteen ninety four was cut 642 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 2: short by a month and a half. They started, I 643 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: think a little bit later in nineteen ninety five for 644 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: the season that they had, But sure there are players 645 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: as well. Missing almost missing one hundred games is going 646 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: to be a big deal. I don't don't know how 647 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: it sorts out through history and other workstoppages that happened 648 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: in baseball previously. But Cody makes a really good point 649 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: that don't feel too bad for Judge because of that, 650 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: because there could be other players dealing with it. Interesting. Yeah, well, Laron, Judge, 651 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: make our draft. Let's find out with a game. 652 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 6: This game time saw on. 653 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: The Doug Gottlieb Show. Mancey Milanios is here. What's up, Mancy? 654 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 4: What's up? 655 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: Guys? 656 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 4: Happy Thursday? 657 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: What have we got today? 658 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 4: We're gonna play? Is he? 659 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,239 Speaker 2: All right? 660 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 6: Now? 661 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna pay? 662 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: What are we I feel a draft? 663 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 4: That's right, we are gonna be drafting here, fellas. Now 664 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: that officially all Star break is over coming back to 665 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: the second half of baseball storylines that you look are 666 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 4: looking forward to. It could be anything but baseball related. 667 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 4: And we're just gonna go and order alphabetical order. 668 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: So Aaron, you're gonna go first? Uh? 669 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: Then did me Ryan? 670 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 4: And we end with Sam? 671 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: All right? All right, this. 672 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: Isn't the biggest story. But I'm actually asking this because 673 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 3: I want Bursh and Mancy's perspective on it. Seriously, what's up? 674 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: My number one storyline is Sho he o tani the picture. Yeah, 675 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: And my question is, and I asked Dan this yesterday 676 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: off air, what is the end game like? Is it 677 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: he's on no restrictions by October? Is he still only 678 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: going two to three innings to four by October? Because 679 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: that would feel weird to me. I know there's been 680 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 3: bullpen games in the playoffs, but to start Game two 681 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: of the World Series and only go three innings, So 682 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm fascinated, But I'm also curious what the 683 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: big picture plan is, and I know you too. I 684 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: don't know who wants to take it or whatever, or 685 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: if we even have time, but I'm just curious for 686 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: the perspective. 687 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 6: I think the full plan is for him to be 688 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 6: a full fledged starter by October. I think what we've 689 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 6: been seeing for the last month is he's in essence 690 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 6: doing rehab starts at the major league level, which is wild. 691 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 6: And it will depend on the state of the Dodgers' 692 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 6: rotation once they get to October, because if they have 693 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 6: Tyler Glass now and Blake Snell and Yoshiombu Yamamoto and 694 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 6: even Roki Sasaki all healthy by October, then Otani is 695 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 6: really the fourth starter out of those guys, and when 696 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 6: he's pitching at his highest level, he's the best starter 697 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 6: out of those guys if they are full if they 698 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 6: have full health in the staff once they get to October, 699 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 6: I would imagine Otani is probably then being used with 700 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 6: like three four inning starts in mind, and then having 701 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 6: somebody piggyback behind him in playoff games. It'll all depend 702 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 6: on the state of the rotation, but I'm sure the 703 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 6: plan is for him to be a full fledged starter 704 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 6: by then. 705 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate that I'm up at number two. 706 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: A lot of things to go, but I'm gonna just 707 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: go with the ineptitude of the Rockies. For some reason, 708 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't wrapped up in the White Sox losing last year, 709 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: but the Rockies, I don't know. There's just something about it. 710 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: So if they can just continue to lose and not 711 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: win and add to their win total, they have a 712 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 2: chance at major League history. Like it's gonna be really difficult, 713 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 2: but if any team can do it, I think it's 714 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: the Rockies. 715 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: Thirty yeah, five and a half games back at the 716 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: All Star there's still time. 717 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 4: There's still time. 718 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 2: I'll go up. 719 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 4: I'm really curious to see what's gonna happen with Juan 720 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 4: Soto this second half in the Mets. As Dodger fans, 721 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 4: Ryan and I saw the Mets get hot last year 722 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 4: when it mattered the most, and it you know, got 723 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 4: interesting there at the end, and I'm really curious to 724 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 4: see what Wan Soda is gonna do and if he's 725 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 4: gonna put them over the top, because he has had 726 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 4: a you know, mixed first half and he's making too 727 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 4: much money to do that. Ryan, you're up next. Let's 728 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 4: uh keep it going here. 729 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 6: I think what's super weird, guys, is we are just 730 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 6: a little over two weeks away from the trade deadline 731 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 6: and there's been nothing and we don't even really hear 732 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 6: anything about any sort of big names that could potentially 733 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 6: be on the move. 734 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: Uh. 735 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 6: I'm gonna be watching as to what happens in the 736 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 6: trade deadline because either we're gonna have a super dead 737 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 6: deadline because that's why we haven't seen anything, or it's 738 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 6: going to be incredibly active and that's why we haven't 739 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 6: seen anything yet. I think it'll be a lot of 740 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 6: super significant role players that will be moved. But I 741 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 6: don't think we're going to see a gigantic name get 742 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 6: moved at this deadline. But what happens at the deadline 743 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 6: is the storyline I'm watching, all right. 744 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 2: Sir, wrap it up. 745 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 3: Sam. 746 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: As a younger man, I follow the Phillies, rooted for them. 747 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 5: So the NL East is a hot competition right now 748 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 5: with the it's in the Phillies and so no one 749 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 5: else is even uh in contention really for the n 750 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 5: L E. So Phillies and the Mets see who can 751 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 5: win that division. 752 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 4: Nobody mentioned cal Ra and what. 753 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 2: Of you? You didn't know if we were going to 754 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: have time for a second round, and we don't. 755 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 4: We don't, But I was just saying that. 756 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 3: For the first round. 757 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: I would also say this, I think that that's one, 758 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: a sneaky one. Could the Marlins actually do something? Ryan 759 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: bursching Or and I took part in survivor pools in 760 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: baseball and they've been on fire. They're seven and a 761 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 2: half back of the wild card, so it doesn't seem 762 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: like they're clothes. 763 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 3: But they beat good teams. 764 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they're way down there. Could they be a 765 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: team that all of a sudden finds its way up 766 00:36:47,120 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: swimming up stream. Oh, Marlin Jo, that's game time. He's 767 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer. We flashed back to six 768 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 2: years ago.