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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distant podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and today this week's guest is an

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Speaker 1: absolute e scouting guru. I thought I knew a thing

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Speaker 1: or two about the scouting until I met this guy,

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Speaker 1: and he's next level. Not only does he know his

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Speaker 1: way around mapping software, he's also an accomplished hunter, whether

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Speaker 1: we're talking bears or elk. Welcome to the podcast, Mark Livesay.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Derek, it's been a while. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: we got to tour around the country together when we

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Speaker 2: were doing those OLK shape cams and you had to

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Speaker 2: you were just like forced to listen to my presentation

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Speaker 2: over and over again. So I feel like I know

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Speaker 2: all of your calling, presentation, tactics, the midday mad and

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Speaker 2: that's which I talk about all the time, and all

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Speaker 2: the things that you do. So when we traveled around

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Speaker 2: it was fun. I enjoyed that. I kind of missed

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Speaker 2: the camaraderie of that.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, that was really fun. I miss all the guys.

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Speaker 1: I actually had record a podcast yesterday with with Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Gruenwaal Jimmy Kits remember him, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he was doing those backcountry safety clinics when with us

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Speaker 1: when we were doing our stuff. But man, that guy

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Speaker 1: is really good too. I haven't talked to him.

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Speaker 3: Forever, and it was really good to catch up.

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Speaker 1: It's like you make all these buddies that you just

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Speaker 1: don't get to see anymore because you're not doing that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny like in this business too. We meet

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Speaker 2: each other at shows, and we meet at these different

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Speaker 2: events and then we go our separate ways and we

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Speaker 2: talk on Instagram and chat and text and we don't

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Speaker 2: give chands to hang out all that much, right, right,

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Speaker 2: and so those you know what I mean, Dan State

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Speaker 2: would put us all in the same house. I'm surprised

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Speaker 2: we didn't up share bed. I'm trying to I know

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Speaker 2: a right think. The only thing I'm grateful for is

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Speaker 2: that he put Joel Turner in separate room.

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Speaker 3: Well, I had to share a room with him.

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Speaker 2: And he said, I remember that one time you did,

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Speaker 2: didn't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, oh, you're sleep talking, sleep walk I'm

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Speaker 1: like what, and he's like, yeah, you you you set

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Speaker 1: straight up out of bed and start talking. You got

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Speaker 1: up and walked around the room in your underwear and

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Speaker 1: then you laid back down. And you went and then

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Speaker 1: you were silent, like I don't remember that at all.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's because you were sleep talking.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah that was good.

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Speaker 1: So Mark has a has a has a business or

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Speaker 1: has a uh an education company called tree Line Academy,

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Speaker 1: and man, tell us all about that. I mean I could,

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Speaker 1: I could explain it, but I'm gonna I'm gonna screw

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Speaker 1: it all up. Mark tell teller listeners about.

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Speaker 2: It anyway, dirt. So you're probably a little bit in

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Speaker 2: the same campus me. I'm a lot older than you, unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: But so I started. This is gonna be my thirty

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Speaker 2: fifth year elk hunting, I think, And you know, in

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Speaker 2: my twenties and thirties when I was I wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: shared any dude, There's no way I would have not

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Speaker 2: shared one single waypoint. I would have never shared one

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Speaker 2: single thing I was doing. There's no way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was just so anti like helping other people become

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Speaker 2: better hunters. Yeah yeah, And it wasn't like I purposely

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Speaker 2: be honest, I was selfish. I wanted to save it

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Speaker 2: if I if I did anything, I would create more

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Speaker 2: not soon, but later in my life, I started figuring

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Speaker 2: out that you know what, we're on the Vergil losing

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Speaker 2: our hunting privileges. Like seems like every day in the news,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know what, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: guys like me that learned I would. I just felt

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, he's like, man, you

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Speaker 2: You know, you should come and do a presentation. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, okay, I thought, Dirk, I thought everybody

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Speaker 2: I thought everybody used Googler. I thought everybody did all

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Speaker 2: So I built that first little platform when covid happened.

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Speaker 2: And Ryan one day said, Mark, why don't you just

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Speaker 2: on X that's when you need to have your mobile applications.

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Speaker 2: You know Jana Waller?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I ran into her in my bear baiting area

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Speaker 2: Do you are? You do you do? You probably don't

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Speaker 1: I don't. I had all these intentions of spring, like

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Speaker 2: And they'll they'll they'll also be they'll come during the

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00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 2: daylight a lot more on that system, dude. He was right.

428
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: I had trike and footage of Bear's laying there for

429
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 2: literally hours picking popcorn or candy coated popcorn out of

430
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: that hole. And the reason you want to put you know,

431
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: they can't clog those holes. So that's why another reason

432
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: you put four holes in. Right. The other main reason

433
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: that I that he didn't really say anything about it,

434
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: But what I noticed was the year before I'd literally

435
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: fill this barrel up, Dirk and come back in six

436
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 2: days and they'd be that barrel'll be empty. Sure, they

437
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: would just wipe it out.

438
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

439
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: And I'd look at my trail cam and they were. Man,

440
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: they were hitting that thing at night, like just so

441
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: much after shooting hours. So you put that can in

442
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: like with that structure, and dude, they were hitting it.

443
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: And I now, I did pull quite a bit of

444
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: bait outside the barrel to get started, to get him

445
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: coming right, to get him coming, and so that was

446
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: that was That was tip number one. Sure, So the

447
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: free hanging barrel with the smaller holes in the bottom

448
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: was a winner when and it one, it made my

449
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: bait last longer. Number two, it kept him interested three,

450
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 2: It kept him there during shooting hours a lot of

451
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: the time. But what the side benefit, what I noticed

452
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: is the big bears, this big giant bear that I

453
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: ended up killing off off of that bait, was that

454
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: the male the bigger bears would be very defensive of

455
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: that barrel because they couldn't get the food out as

456
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: quick as they'd like to, so they'd start guarding that thing.

457
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: They would literally lay there and guard the thing. I

458
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: can't tell you how many times I walked into that

459
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: bait side and bears were there. They were already this thing.

460
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: Oh geez.

461
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: And they weren't really eating. They'd eaten enough. They were

462
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: kind of full or whatever. I don't know I mean,

463
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 2: but they were. They became real territorial about this sparrow.

464
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: So one of the bears I killed was a small

465
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: bear came in to the barrel. And this bear I

466
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: didn't even see him, I didn't even know he was there.

467
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: I snuck in, got in my tree stand. I was

468
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: using climbing tree stands it's time, climbed up in my stand,

469
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: got up, and this little bear came in and he

470
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: literally barely got to the barrel, and this big bear

471
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: charged down out of the brush, ran him off, and

472
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: then he started picking a little bit of food out,

473
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: and then I shot him. I got an arrow inning

474
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: and I didn't see that kind of activity on my

475
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: cant I didn't see that with the big hole where

476
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: they could just scoop the food out. I just didn't

477
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: never saw that behavior. So that was one I don't

478
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to beat that to death.

479
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: But that was a great tip. I thought, It's worked

480
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: great for me. That's really the only way I bait

481
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: now with that small whole barrel. So that was number one.

482
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Number two he takes. He told me to take powdered

483
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: sugar and get in a rotten log and just impregnate

484
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: this rotten log with this powdered sugar. So that was

485
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: another tip, and that was they literally annihilated those logs.

486
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

487
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: So letting powdered sugar get down in the cracks of

488
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 2: a of an older log, if you've got one nearby

489
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: your bait man, it just creates a frenzy form, you know.

490
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: And then the second, the third tip that he gave

491
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: me was and I was doing this to some degree,

492
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: but you know, the bait balls the scent balls that

493
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: go that you want to put up. Oh yeah, you know,

494
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: they sell some. You've heard of beaver carcasses. If you

495
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: can get a hold of beaver carcasses, that's one of

496
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: the best. There's something about this this oil and beaver's

497
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: and once they become rancid, it's so potent. But what

498
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: I started doing was he told me about two products,

499
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: and you guys, I'm going to try to remember this.

500
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: I've got it downstairs. But if I mess this up,

501
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: don't hold me to this. You're going to be able

502
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: to figure this out. But I went to a trapping

503
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: supply place, so trap. He told me to go to

504
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: this trapping place and get this rancid salmon oil that

505
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: they use for trapping. It's a bottle, right, squirt a bottle.

506
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: And then this stuff called green Death. So dude, I'm

507
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: going to warn you right now there's a reason when

508
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: they ship it to you. It comes like in four

509
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: zip lock bags and inside a wax box. And even

510
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: with that kind of packaging, you can still smell it

511
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: in your mailbox. Oh my god, it is so intense.

512
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: And you better, you better have rubber made gloves on

513
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: to the elbow. When you're handling this stuff. If you

514
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: get it on you, you're never going to be close

515
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: to your wife again. I'm not kidding, dude. This stuff

516
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: is so it's oil based, so it's very sticky and

517
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: it's very very potent. So anyway, he told me to

518
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: take that and put it on rags and put that

519
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: in my so I use a milk crate. He told

520
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: me to use a milk create with the holes you

521
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: know all in ohta. So I had a milk crate.

522
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: I put my beat. I did have a beaver garget,

523
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: so I threw my beaver cargets in there, and I

524
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: put this green death and this sam Rantid salmon oil

525
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: on some rags and put them in my crate. Pull

526
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: the crate up with a rope where the bears can't

527
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: get to it, right right, And dude, when that I

528
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: could smell my bait from my truck. I'm not kidding

529
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: a mile away.

530
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

531
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: So one of the things that he told me says bears.

532
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: He goes, you got to make it where they can

533
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: find it, so once they find it, then you're good.

534
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: And the second thing that he's said, well, well, I

535
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 2: don't know what we're on here. Third or fourth thing

536
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: is this is pretty common. A lot of people know.

537
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: This is to take you know, either used oil, use

538
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: cooking cooking oil, or take new cooking oil and treat

539
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: it with the with a scent like I used boar Masters,

540
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: but I don't want to be known to you know,

541
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: promote one product of fat them three oh seven bore

542
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: masters whatever.

543
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Right, They make an oil treatment, and basically what it is,

544
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: it's a it's a smell. It's just like this salmon,

545
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: except it's not as potent, but it's pretty botent, bacon

546
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: flavored whatever. You pour it in a gallon or two gallon,

547
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: whatever it is of the oil. Pour the oil around

548
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: your bait barrel so when the bears come, they track

549
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: that oil away. The whole point is is for them

550
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: to lay a cent trail for you, so they're advertising

551
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: your bait for you, right right, dude, between the barrel

552
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: at bait ball with the three things I told you

553
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: and doing the oil. And then the last thing I did,

554
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: which a lot of people do, was I took samp

555
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: where it took sardines and honey and molasses, and I

556
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: put it in a like a throwaway type pan and

557
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: took my jip boil in there and I boiled it

558
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: black and just smoke. Let the smoke just roil down

559
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: the drainage when I first put the bait in. So

560
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: the day we packed in, my wife and my kids

561
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: went in with me. We took my lamas. We packed

562
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: in five hundred pounds of bait. We go in with

563
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: the lamas, We set it all up. We did this

564
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 2: cook or this whatever they call it. At the end

565
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: when we're all done, we did this honey, this molasses, bacon,

566
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: honey boil. Basically you're burning it, and the smoke was

567
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: just oiling down the drainage wherever the wind was going. Dude,

568
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: I had bears on my trailcram within two hours leaving

569
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: that bait site.

570
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

571
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: And then once they were there, they just were hooked

572
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: and so. And then the other key was that bait

573
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: barrel allowed me to never run out of bait because

574
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 2: they couldn't get it out quick enough. So that's one

575
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: of the worst things that happened to me, is when

576
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: I was baiting, is when you run out of bait,

577
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: they lose interest and they move on to another bait

578
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: or they whatever that happens to him. Sure, it's hard

579
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: to get him to come back, at least it was

580
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: for me, So keeping them interested and engaged was important.

581
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: So those are kind of like four or five things

582
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: that I learned from that guy. And then the last one, Oh,

583
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: this is great. He told me to go get a

584
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: highway flesher that had a magnet, you know, the ones

585
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: that are magnet that stick on barrels and stick on

586
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: metal ad kades or where they run. They have a

587
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: battery and they're they gotta like sensor. So when it

588
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: gets dark they start flashing for the cars, but during

589
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: when it gets light in the morning, they go off.

590
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: So he says, you snap that baby to the top

591
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: of the barrel so that light clicks on it dark.

592
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: It'll keep those bears that they'll get used to it

593
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: over time. But in the beginning they will not hit

594
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: that summer bitch at night. They will not. They do

595
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: not like that flashing light really, And so dude, you

596
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: slap that light. Now, you got to be a little

597
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: careful whether people can find your baits easier like that.

598
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: But but people aren't roaming around the with the night

599
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: all that much anyway, so I never you know, it's

600
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: not really a big deal. But that was such a

601
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: cool tip. And you know, I don't have a lot

602
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: of research on it, but man, I think it works.

603
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: I think it works. And so yeah, he just snapped

604
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: the light and sometimes the bears knock it off, and

605
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: big deal, put it back up. Right. It's just a

606
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: magnetic yellow flashing light and it's sensitive to the light

607
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: when the light sun goes down, turns on, when the

608
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: sun comes up, turns off. And I thought those were

609
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: amazing tips. And so hopefully some of your people kind

610
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: of like, oh you some of those are like them.

611
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are those are really out of the box

612
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: type of tips, you know. And I and honestly, I

613
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: think anytime hunting any species, if you can if you

614
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: can set yourself apart with different, different tactics that animals

615
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: aren't used to seeing or being experiencing, I think I

616
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a good thing. I know when

617
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: as a kid, you know, you know, my you know,

618
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: I'd hunted for years, you know, with my dad and stuff,

619
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: but but then it was just time for me to

620
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: just go on my own and and I'm just like,

621
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: what if I did this, what if I did that?

622
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, just like you know, I'm just gonna experiment,

623
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: just a dumb kid man. I did all sorts of

624
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: weird things that nobody else was doing and that and

625
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: it worked. So so yeah, I can see where those

626
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: those ideas and those tips would definitely work.

627
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: Well. What's interest thinking about those tips too, is when

628
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: you think about them, they make sense to It's not

629
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: just that, oh, that's interesting, but when you start to

630
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: think about it. One of the biggest problems I had,

631
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: or that I hear a lot of people have with

632
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: baits is they run out of bait. They they can't

633
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: keep it, you know, they just can't keep it freaking stock.

634
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Once the bears start hitting it right and the night

635
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: time hitting the hitting it at night, those are two

636
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: big problems. And if you can reduce or minimize that,

637
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: your chances of success are pretty are pretty big, right

638
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, so you know and and like you said too, guys,

639
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: if you think that you're the only guy out there

640
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: baiting bears in your area, you're probably wrong. So what

641
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: was interesting about this spot? I'm gonna give you a

642
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: little more background on the spot. There's a place that

643
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: you can camp, you know, kind of that just attracts people.

644
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: They just camp there, so we can't. That's just easy.

645
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: So but when I got there, there was probably six

646
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: dudes camping, yeah, baiting. Everybody's baiting. Geez. There were baits everywhere.

647
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it. Yeah, And I'm like, holy cow,

648
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: I mean there were people. They had boxes of bait.

649
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: I mean they were from all over the place. And

650
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: my bait was getting hammered. And I was talking to

651
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: these guys and they're like, man, I haven't got a

652
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: bear in three days. I haven't had this. We're talking

653
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: our baits are they can't be a quarter a half

654
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: mile apart right right. And I don't know where there

655
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: was worse because I wasn't following him. But those guys

656
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: were walking from camp right now. Some of them drove

657
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: over their ATVs different places and things like that. But

658
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: I know on this old logging road that I was

659
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: on because I saw the flagging. I saw flagging where

660
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: people were marketing, right, and I know there's multiple baits

661
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: on this road. And now two things. Was one, I

662
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 2: think I used these different tactics I told you about

663
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: I think helped me. But number two was I packed

664
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: my bait in with my lamas. So I was about

665
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 2: a mile and a half in not many people were

666
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: hiking their bait a mile and a half, right, So

667
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: I think I was the furthest bait in I think

668
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: that helped me. But I think what really helped me

669
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: was my sense the paying the close attention to that

670
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: green death that rants and salmon. They just there was

671
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: no way a bear was coming in that drainage without

672
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: smelling my bait. It was nothing happened. And it was

673
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: so bad dirt. When I'm in the stand, it was

674
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: making me sick. Like I'd be setting in my trees

675
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: and the wind would change, I'd be like, oh my god,

676
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: this stuff is so rancid. And I think it was

677
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: very helpful and and so back to the bait itself.

678
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: So what I started doing was I tried all kinds

679
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: of things and buying baits expensive. You can't, yeah, the

680
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: free stuff. It's hard to get the free stuff anymore.

681
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: Even the oil, you know, with all this recycled you know,

682
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: diesel fuel and all the things they're doing with recycled oil.

683
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: It's hard to even get that.

684
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

685
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: So what I started doing was buying dup food and popcorn.

686
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: So I would buy just the cheapest dog food I

687
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: could get Old Roy or something Old Roy whatever, and

688
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: then I would buy that boor Master. And I'm giving

689
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: out all my tips on this one. I would buy

690
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: the boor Master Triple Threat powder. It's like cocaine for bears.

691
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: Stuff is ridiculous, and I would sprinkle it I poured.

692
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: I'd pour a bunch of dog food in the barrel.

693
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: I'd sprinkle a little bit of Triple Threat, pour some

694
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: more dog food, and I would layer dog food, Triple

695
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: Threat popcorn and the popcorn. What I did was I

696
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: started popping it on site instead of at home. The

697
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: first couple of times, I first couple of years, I

698
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: popp it at home, put in big trash bags, pack

699
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: it in with my lamas well, and I'm like, you're

700
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: cooking this popcorn and You're like, all this scent is

701
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: coming off of it, and I'm like, dude, I need

702
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: So I started packing in just bags of popcorn, propane

703
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: cooker and a giant pot, and I started popping it

704
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: on site so that the scent would help me. Then

705
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: what I started doing then I started getting it even more.

706
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: Like you said, when you're a kid, you get clever, right.

707
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: This was not something the old man told me, I

708
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: just thought I would try it. So you remember I

709
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: told you board Masters sells this add on scent you

710
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: could pour into oil, right right, just bacon stuff, right, Yeah,

711
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: it's potent. I said, I wonder what's gonna happen if

712
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: I pour some of that into my popcorn? Oh well,

713
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: while it's being heated on the bottom. Holy crap. So

714
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: I poured some of that in, and the smoke just

715
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: started rolling out of it. Let me tell you, while

716
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: I was cooking that popcorn, there's no way you could

717
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: be on the down wind side. Was so nasty and

718
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: so smelly. But I know that helped me. I know,

719
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: popping that popcorn on site with that set mixed in

720
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: with the bottlen while I was popping it was was creating.

721
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: You can just imagine all this stuff just sticking to

722
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: all the leaves and and it was just rolling out

723
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: of that pot. So and uh so I thought that

724
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: popping the popcorn on site was a real improvement for

725
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: me as well.

726
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you ever have issues with hound hunters,

727
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: or not really hound hunters, but hound dogs, You know,

728
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: running bears off your bait or refar enough off the

729
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: main road to where I didn't have.

730
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: Any there in that spot. I here's the thing. I Oh,

731
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to get too descriptive, but I was

732
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: close enough to a major road that I felt like

733
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: the houndhuds were nervous to put their dogs that close

734
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: to a high like basically a highway. Yeah, you know

735
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, because they get hit. So that's another

736
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: another tactic that I think a lot of the plate

737
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: a lot of potential baiting places. Now you got to

738
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: make you gotta follow the rules. You got to be

739
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: so many feet and all those things. Make sure you

740
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: follow all those rules. But which is not very far,

741
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: Let's be.

742
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Honest, two hundred feet or something whatever, it's easy.

743
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people ignore those places.

744
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: They just overlook them. It's a lot like Elk. You know,

745
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: we talked about this with Elk Dude. People. Sometimes the

746
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: most easiest places are overlooked. Yeah, and the little pull

747
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: offs on a major freaking road, they're not going to

748
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: get hound hunted that much at least my Well, let's

749
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: just back up. So in Missouri when I grew up,

750
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I was a pretty poor kid.

751
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: And when I grew up, the fur prices were they

752
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: were good and I had coon dogs, so we hunted

753
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: coons like religion. Man. We were after them every night

754
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: almost and we were always nervous. We never really hunted

755
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: our dogs next to major roads very much, right, And

756
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: I think some of the same will bear. I don't

757
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: know if bear guys cared about that. I'm sure they do.

758
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: They do.

759
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 1: I know, I know when we've been on bear hunts,

760
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and we've been we've bears will run right, they will

761
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: run a long ways. We've started on one side of

762
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: the mountain, then things across the mountain go down and

763
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: cross the highway and we're like, oh god, they're heading

764
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: towards the highway. And our buddy that's got the hounds,

765
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: he will just flat out start flying on his four

766
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: wheeler to try to cut them off, at them off, yeah.

767
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: To get his dogs, Like, hey, we got to get

768
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: these dogs.

769
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: See, I've never done that. I've never hunted bears with dogs.

770
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: I kind of want to, but I never have. And

771
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: I was just assuming it, very similar to coonhut. I

772
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: was just making assumptions. So I think one of the

773
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: reasons that I didn't have problems with hounds was I

774
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: was bathing close to it road that would be detrimental

775
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: to outs. Yeah, yeah, it's another it's another good idea.

776
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: And you know that's when it comes to the East County.

777
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: You asked me about that. So what I look for

778
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: is I don't put my baits in open areas, but

779
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: I look for open feeding zones reasonably close, like let's

780
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: say half mile to a mile away from my baits.

781
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: I want to open some open slope country within reasonable distance.

782
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: I like old logouts, old something so that the bear's

783
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: natural feeding, that there's a good chance that the bears

784
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: are in the area naturally feeding, like a whole network

785
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: of roads where they're feeding on the roads. You know,

786
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: that's a tactic. A lot of guys use same type

787
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: of thing. Just I always try to make sure I

788
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: put my baits in places I feel like bears want

789
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: to be anyway, not just because it's in the middle

790
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: of the woods, if that makes sense. I know that

791
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: seems cliche. But the second thing is I always put

792
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: my baits one of two places. I never put them

793
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: on a side slope, not usually. I always put them

794
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: on the top of a ridge or a spine so

795
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: that the maximum windy right or in the bottom along

796
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: a water a creek that's actually running when you get

797
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: the downdraft where you can get the thermals off of that.

798
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: So just think about this. Anywhere you put this bait,

799
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: you wanted to make sure the scent is getting maximum dispersement.

800
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: If you put it in a big hole or down

801
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: in like a in the back of some spoon basin

802
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: and there's no you know, there's just not a lot

803
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: of you're going to be low. The bear is going

804
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: to have to cross the path of the bait, right.

805
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: I want to bring the bears to the bait. I

806
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: don't want them just to get it kind of hap

807
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: stumble onto it. So being on slopes, you know, I

808
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: like to be on the slopes as well. I'm sorry,

809
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: on the spine ridges on the ridgelines right at the top,

810
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: not big ones. They don't have to be giant. But

811
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: what I've noticed is when I started cooking this spot

812
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: I told you where I cooked the popcorn. At a

813
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: couple of spots I did with that, I could watch

814
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: the smoke off that popcorn just roll down for a

815
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,240
Speaker 2: half a mile and like, that's what I want right there.

816
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: But when it just stays in the area, like, oh,

817
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking to where

818
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: that wind and the thermals and the prevailing winds will

819
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: just help me tell me as much as possible.

820
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: Right, right, So I'm envisioning places like, let's say you

821
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: have a big drainage, or not a giant drainage, but

822
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: a decent crick drainage, you know, and you have big

823
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: ridges in between each little drainage, and then right at

824
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: like the head end where where the slope of the

825
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: ridge comes off of maybe a great big ridge, and

826
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: then yeah, and then it goes down into a crick drainage,

827
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: and you have you probably want to put it up

828
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: on the head end of that, not down towards the bottom,

829
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: towards you know, the bottom end. You want to do

830
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: up in the hoards the head end that way, since

831
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: you can get right, yeah, that way, that error that

832
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: scent will travel in the afternoons, will go up on

833
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: the hillside, or it'll get sucked all the way down there.

834
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: And I would imagine like in the daytime when it

835
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: gets hot in the in the heat of the day,

836
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: when bears are kind of laid up, they're probably going

837
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: to be down those cool draws anyway, right, No, I.

838
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: I, you're right, I didn't probably say it very well.

839
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: But on the ridges, any ridges, you want to be

840
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: more towards the top. Let's just put it this way.

841
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: I would treat it very similar to what I look

842
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: for with benches, for elk, I'm like halfway to three

843
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: quarters of the way up a spine. I would not

844
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: want to slip below it. You know, you know, sometimes

845
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: you got to put your bait in the best spot,

846
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: whatever it is, right yep. And also where you can

847
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: pack the bait too. Let's be honest, packing this stuff

848
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: is not easy, right, right, I would rather be honest.

849
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I would rather see you put the

850
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: bait in a place that you can keep it stocked

851
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: well and consistently, then going in super deep and being

852
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: in a better place, but then run out of bait, right,

853
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: I'd rather see you put the bait in a place

854
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: where you can keep it really operating, versus maybe a

855
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: better spot, at least a better looking spot, but you're

856
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna fail keeping it going. And so the

857
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: other thing about the the trickle barrel, and I called it,

858
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: this guy called it the trickle barrel. That oh, I

859
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: didn't say, the term did I so with drilling the

860
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: holes in the bottom is if you set a camera

861
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: up right. This is another tip. Now he didn't tell

862
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: me this, but I figured this out. Is I usually

863
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: set two cameras up. I set one camera to kind

864
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: of catch the whole area the best I could, but

865
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: then I would set a second camera at the where

866
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: it's looking right at the base of that barrel. So

867
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: that now this is really for areas that have said

868
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: that you with the new sim card cameras, but you

869
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: can see if there's bait still in the barrel or

870
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: not if you set it right. Oh, since the holes

871
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: at the bottom so, or if there's a little bit

872
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: on the ground still or whatever. So you can really

873
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 2: kind of almost monitor your barrel. Now, again that only

874
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: works if you're in the right spot that has cell service,

875
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But these new cell cameras are

876
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: really remarkable. I mean, and the certain the way the

877
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: transmission is it's pretty dang good. And where it's legal

878
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: and in places where it's legal, yeah, and uh, I

879
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: got a feeling that that legality is gonna be less

880
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: and less as we keep going. There's a lot of

881
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: talk about it, right, Yeah, I hope. I don't know that.

882
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: I don't support it, to be totally honest, We're getting

883
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: kind of out there with this. The technology is out

884
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: pacing our I don't know. It's a fine line. You know.

885
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm a freedom loving guy. I don't like people telling

886
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: me what to do and not do, you know. But

887
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: at the same time, I understand the thermals issue, and

888
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: I understand the cell phone. I understand these issues too. Yeah,

889
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: so it's a it's a tough one, right, Yeah.

890
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Well you always I always like to say, you know,

891
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I like to advocate for the animals. You know, let's

892
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: give them, you know, let's err on their side a

893
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, if we can. The cameras, right,

894
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're they're they're they're pretty pretty

895
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: cool though, I don't know, like we our buddy Randy

896
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: in in Kansas has has cameras all over his property,

897
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, for deer and turkeys, and and what I've found,

898
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: like turkeys especially is uh it's like, oh, yeah, the

899
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: turkeys are over on this this camera. All right, Well

900
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: we'll go over there and hunt and set up. We

901
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: won't even see a freaking turkey it's almost like you're

902
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: you're hunting cameras or you're hunting you know, at that point,

903
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: and then pretty soon like the turkeys are always a

904
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: step ahead, and it seems like it's kind of the

905
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: same thing with the deer. It's like, you know, oh yeah,

906
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: there's been a big buck hit in that bami show

907
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: up there and you start hunting that stand and you

908
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: never see that deer again. And it's so I feel

909
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: like there's always that uncanny thing for the animal to win.

910
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: But but I agree to we we gotta kind of

911
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: draw a line in the sand.

912
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: On well like this like the southwestern states where the

913
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: water is so limited, and uh yeah, you go to

914
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: New Mexico and you find a good water hole kind

915
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: of remote, there's nine camera is on the dang thing.

916
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, they can just monitor these elk and these

917
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: deer like they just can pattern them to a point

918
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 2: where it's almost it's hard for them to survive, right,

919
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: And but when you got to walk your ass out

920
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: there and check your cameras and you know, and put

921
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: in some work and leave some human scent, the animals

922
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: have a better chance of like you said on the air,

923
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: on the side of the animals. But I don't want

924
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: to get in too much a debate about that. I

925
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: leave that to the people that are experts. But I

926
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: do feel like the drone technology, the cell cams, these thermals, now,

927
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: these these thermals are so ridiculously good. Cameras and binoculars

928
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: and spotting skill, not spices, but these monoculars and and

929
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: these thermal binoculars. It's a it's a it's something that's

930
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: got to be dealt with. You can't. We can't just

931
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: be a free for all. But I will say I'm

932
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: old enough. I'm pretty old dirt that I remember when people,

933
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: when on X came out with their app I remember

934
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: people telling me to my face, well, they elk will

935
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: be gone now. They all have no way to get

936
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: it away from people. You know, back when you had

937
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: a compass, you kind of figure they're like, the elk

938
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: are going to be gone. Well, let me tell you something.

939
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: You've got the best navigation tools on planet Earth right now,

940
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: and the elk success rate is lower than it was

941
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: back before on X. Right, so the animals have adapted.

942
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the turn gear, yeah, the hunting gear, boots, pants, Look,

943
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: we can shoot bows, rangefinders, like when I start when

944
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: I started out, I mean, the only thing that was

945
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: of range fighter. Remember those things that looked like like

946
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: a little Kodak camera that.

947
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: You the focus.

948
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to fit, twist and focus. And it's like,

949
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: all right, I didn't even have one of those, but but.

950
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: I had one of those. They're terrible, they were not

951
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: very accurate, but.

952
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: They were And honestly, I think rangefinders have been like

953
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: one of the largest technic technological advances in archery for

954
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: to increase success. And if you look at harvest results, yeah,

955
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: haven't really I haven't mind you. It hasn't it hasn't

956
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: really moved it. So I don't know, but yeah, I

957
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: do definitely agree. We got to limit technology.

958
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: Uh, reasonable, guys. Reasonable, And I know we'll probably get

959
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: some mate on that. But now, let's be honest. There's

960
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: nothing cooler and watching a bunch of animals on your

961
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: phone coming into a spot. I get it. I totally

962
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: get it. Missouri. We we can use them still in

963
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: Missouri and I we going back for white tail honey.

964
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: And and it's nice to be able to say, Okay,

965
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: we got nine camp, where are we gonna hunt today?

966
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: Like what's going on and you can just turn your

967
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: phone on. It's kind of see And but like you said,

968
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: just just because you saw the bug a mean he's

969
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: gonna be there. So uh, you know, it's funny. I

970
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: just got back from this wolf hunt and where I

971
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: hurt myself and where Brian call ran me over in

972
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: the snow bill. Uh. But I just got back from

973
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: this wolf on and I learned so much up there

974
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: from these outfitters that we went on this outfitter and

975
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: these wolves were hitting these baits. They were baited. They

976
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: bade up there, okay, and they put trail cams out right.

977
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: They cannot put the trail camera by the bait. The

978
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: wolves will pick it up.

979
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: Oh they know.

980
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: It's a camera. They pick it up and they just

981
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: like will not come to it. How crazy is that?

982
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Like they are totally aware. I have a new appreciation

983
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: for wolves. Like I've done a couple of my shows.

984
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: I have this new show I've been doing, and I've

985
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: been talking about wolves quite a bit because I've been

986
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: studying it. And that was ever since this Canadian wolf on,

987
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: I've got this fascination with the intelligence of these wolves.

988
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: I was blown. It blew me away. How you could

989
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: go dump two thousand pounds of pickparts in the middle

990
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: of the lake, and those wolves will not hit it

991
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: until they've tested it. They will circle that lake for days,

992
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 2: they say, the ophics, you're telling us. They'll circle and

993
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: circle and circle, even though the ravens are pounding it, right,

994
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: the coyotes are pounding it, but they know that that's

995
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: not supposed to be there. Yeah, and they will and

996
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: once they've figured out there's no human presence, they'll start

997
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: hitting it. So those guys, the tactic there is they

998
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 2: put the bait, let the wolves get comfortable. Then they'll

999
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: start having a trail. They'll build trails that they're comfortable

1000
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: coming into the bait, and then and only then can

1001
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: they start hunting it. Okay, because they quit circling two

1002
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: different days when we were there, Derek, we got out

1003
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: of it. We didn't see it. Well, we heard them

1004
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: Howland Hall and Holland, but never showed themselves. And on

1005
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: the way back to the snowmobile across fresh ed of

1006
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: wolf tracks, they circled us and got our sent holy

1007
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: cow two different days. Because we got we started hunting

1008
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: that bait a little too early, I think right after

1009
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 2: it got put out they were still in the circle

1010
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: mote and we didn't get a bit, We didn't get

1011
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: a wolf there because that they were they and once

1012
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: they know you're there, you're host. It was crazy, you know,

1013
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: you would think, like you just dump it out there,

1014
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: they'll come right. So two things won that and then

1015
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: the trail camera. The guy was telling me, oh, they

1016
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: picked those trail cameras up, like we have to be clever,

1017
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: we have we disguise them. We do this, we do that.

1018
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe the steps they go through to put

1019
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: a camera on this bait so the wolves won't detect

1020
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: the camera. That's crazy and it's crazy. So you know,

1021
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: bears guys the same way. If you think a bear

1022
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: can't smell, you're an idiot. And the way you go

1023
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: into your bait, the way you go out of your bait,

1024
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: the days you hunt the bait, the days you don't

1025
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: hunt the bait, if the weather, if the wind is wrong,

1026
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: you don't do it right because if they once they

1027
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: know you're there, it's over.

1028
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: And well I was going to ask you about that

1029
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: about Okay, So when you go in and you bait

1030
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: and then you go and set do you after you bait.

1031
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: Do you walk all the way out and then walk

1032
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: in aletely different.

1033
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 3: Path to your spot to this place?

1034
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: Same?

1035
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 3: No, you've walked the same.

1036
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: You've got to give up something, right, you got to

1037
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: give up something. And here's what I will say is,

1038
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm a Missouri white tail guy, right, I am not

1039
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: a fan of lock on our permanent stands. I I'm

1040
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: not saying I'm the giant, the best white tail hunt

1041
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: in the world, but I've got a lot of super

1042
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: nice white tails on my wall here in Montana, and

1043
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: all of my biggest white tails, every one of my

1044
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: one to eighty plus white tails, every one of them,

1045
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: it's killed out of a portable stand. Okay, Because if

1046
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: you think bucks in Missouri are not looking up, you're

1047
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: also wrong. Oh yeah, they look up more than they

1048
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: look down. In Missouri. You're better off to be at

1049
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: a block in some cases. Yeah, Now that's not completely true,

1050
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: but so I try. I had these climbing stands, and

1051
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: so I've decided that with bears. A couple of things

1052
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: is when is the deal with the bears? And if

1053
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: you have a permanent you put a lock on stand,

1054
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: meaning you put steps and you have a stand that

1055
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: straps on the tree right well, that stand is there.

1056
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: So another tick that I do is I prep three

1057
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: or four trees around my baits because one great thing

1058
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: about having in the West is most of the limbs

1059
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: are pretty are dead on lower pine trees right right.

1060
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: You know, once the tree gets a certain height, the

1061
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: lower limbs die, so there's not very many, and they're

1062
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: easy to break off and clear up, so and you're

1063
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: not hurting the tree. And I don't even know. Maybe

1064
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 2: steps are legal. Maybe I don't know. I think they're legal. Whatever,

1065
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't use them, so it doesn't matter. But I

1066
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: use climbing stands, you know what I'm talking about, the

1067
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: two piece climbers yep. For a couple of different reasons.

1068
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: You worm your way up to the tree.

1069
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: That's right. Once you're good at that night, you can

1070
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: go up so quiet. And not only that, you can

1071
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: go up so quickly. I can get in a climbing

1072
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: stand and go up quick. Then most people can go

1073
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: up a permanent stand with steps. Now that's not completely true,

1074
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: but it's pretty close. One of the reasons I like

1075
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: to use climbing stands for bears is because a couple

1076
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: of reasons. Number one is I want to I wanted

1077
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: the flexibility to move that stand if I have a

1078
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: bad wind and I can still hunt that bait potentially,

1079
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: or not a bad wind, but a wind that kind

1080
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: of you know. And again, if you're gonna set all

1081
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: day at a spot, let's say you're gonna go and

1082
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna set all day, which is not a bad

1083
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: tactic for bears, to be honest, In the morning, I

1084
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: want to set below that bait right downhill. But in

1085
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: the afternoon, I want to be above that bait. I

1086
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: climb down out of my bait, out of my stand

1087
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: in my rubber boots, and I move the stand. I

1088
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: do it all the time. I didn't whitetail. I do

1089
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: it with whitetail as well. And I spray. I use

1090
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: I use rubber boots, rubber bottom boots, and I.

1091
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 5: Put the sense that I'm using for the bait, say

1092
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: oil based scent, so that it smells very similar to

1093
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 5: what I've already been using.

1094
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: Now it's hard to mask human sand, I get it,

1095
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: but it does help. So I move the stand by

1096
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: according to the wind. Well, if you got a but pertinent,

1097
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: if you got a lock on stand, whatever that stand

1098
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: is your host, right, that's what you got. The second

1099
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: thing is comfort and safety. So here's the thing. On

1100
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: a climbing stand that has just a seat, guys, and

1101
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: you got your seatbolt. You always have your seatbelt on,

1102
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: of course, right, absolutely every time. Sure, but those climbing stands,

1103
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: especially those two piece I like the summit. I have

1104
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: no guys that have no affiliation with these guys. There's

1105
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: several good ones out there, but they've got the bar

1106
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: that kind of goes around the seat part. Yeah, dude,

1107
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: those are so comfortable, so saved. You said, they're all

1108
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: dayg day. Got your bow laying there? You got very

1109
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: little movements. So here's the other thing about it. Just

1110
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: like with white tails, the more you can minimize your movement,

1111
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: the better success you have, right, And the more comfortable

1112
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: your stand is, and the more you don't have a

1113
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: reason to move, the better the chance you got to

1114
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: killing a big buck. So same with bears. The bears

1115
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: don't see well at all, and they certainly don't look

1116
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: up very much, so you don't have to be ulter

1117
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: ultra high. But I have found that getting pretty high

1118
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: helps you with set one and two. You can get

1119
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: away with a lot of movement when you're high. Obviously, bud.

1120
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: You got to remember, guys, bears are not easy to

1121
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: kill the bow. You got to make good shots on

1122
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: bear right. They don't bleed well, they don't bleed out

1123
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: on the ground. They're not very trackable with that fur.

1124
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So the higher you get, the steeper

1125
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: that shot angle, which makes the execution of the shot,

1126
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: you know, more difficult. Just keep all that in mind.

1127
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: So there's a happy medium, you know, let's call it

1128
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty feet, depending on if you'r uphill of

1129
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: the bait or downhill of the bait, or if there's

1130
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: any slope, maybe it's flat, whatever the case is. But

1131
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: the point is I like to prep two or three

1132
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: trees in a spot so that when I go in,

1133
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: I can make an adjustment. So the other thing that

1134
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: I started doing Dirk is not leaving my stand strapped

1135
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: to the tree. So when I climb down every evening

1136
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: or whenever I get down, I take my stand with

1137
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: me because it literally takes no time to do it.

1138
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: There's a couple of reasons for this. And then on

1139
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: the way out, I'll drop my stand at a place

1140
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 2: i'll hide it. I'll Basically, I'll hide it maybe four

1141
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: hundred yards from the bait, so I can pick it

1142
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: up on my way in the next time. I don't

1143
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: carry it in and out every time, but I definitely

1144
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: take it down because what I don't want to do

1145
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: in a bad wind is to have to walk over

1146
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: to that tree, take it off, touch the tree, do

1147
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: any type of leave any scent, and then move it.

1148
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: By leaving a little distance from the from the bait,

1149
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: I can put it in different places based on what

1150
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: the wind is doing. And you know, you're walking in Derek,

1151
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: wind's doing one thing, but when you get to your

1152
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: bait it could be doing something radically different, and so

1153
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: you can make such a quick adjustment, and it always is.

1154
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: I love that tactic is to being able to take

1155
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: that stand in and make adjustments. So that's number one reason.

1156
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: The second reason is, here's what happened to me. You

1157
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: can't you take some extra bait in, You take some

1158
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,959
Speaker 2: extra scent in right, right, and you spruce up your bait,

1159
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: You add a few more cent, you take the spray bottle.

1160
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: What happened to me was I took some board Masters,

1161
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: triple thread or whatever spray and I started spraying some

1162
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: leaves and stuff on my way in. Well, I got

1163
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: some on my stand from my hands or the bears

1164
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: literally annihilated my seat. Oh yeah, they ate the seed

1165
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: out of my stand. So it was like okay, So

1166
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: that was another reason I started leaving my stand a

1167
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: little bit away from the bait. Now, not that they

1168
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: couldn't find it and tear it up, but there's usually

1169
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: not enough sent there to draw them to the stand. Yeah,

1170
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: but if you have your stand setting right there at

1171
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: your bait, there's a good chance they're going to find it,

1172
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: and there's a good chance they're gonna mess with it.

1173
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just like trail cameras, guys put a new

1174
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: set of gloves on. That's another tip. I made this mistake.

1175
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: You always want to hang your trail cameras before you

1176
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: start putting your bait in, not at the end, which

1177
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: is counterproductive. Everybody likes to do it at the end. Well,

1178
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: if you do it at the end, when you got

1179
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: sent all over your hands and everything else, you leave

1180
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: any sent on that trail camera, they're gonna eat that thing.

1181
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I've had that. I've had that happen

1182
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: a couple of times because I made a mistake. I

1183
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: went to check my sim card or whatever, and I

1184
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: opened the thing up and I had some scent on

1185
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 2: my hand. I forgot to wear gloves or whatever. Even

1186
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: wearing gloves, sometimes they can it's still a problem. And

1187
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: bears are just curious. Sometimes they see it, they mess

1188
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: with it. So I always wear I always take those

1189
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: latex gloves when I'm dealing with my cameras, and I

1190
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: like to put my cameras up before I start messing

1191
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: with the bait. Yeah, so I don't know, that's probably

1192
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: tips everybody already knows, but those are good tips for people.

1193
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one last question is, so if you know,

1194
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: right now we're getting pretty far to the tail end

1195
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: of bear season in a lot of places. But if

1196
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: let's say you have to have an area and you

1197
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: have a week or two left a season, and you

1198
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: finally had some time to go hunting, what would you

1199
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: put out a bait and what would you do like

1200
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: for a hail Mary bait.

1201
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you asked that question because this is

1202
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: where I think a lot of guys missed the boat.

1203
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: And again this is my own personal opinion. You can

1204
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: hate it, you can whatever I'm just telling you what

1205
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: I think. And because here's what happened to me, I'd

1206
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: like I told you I really got into spot instck right,

1207
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: because it's just what we do with film hunts. We've

1208
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: been doing a lot of bear films. We don't film

1209
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: any baiting hunts, well at least we haven't. And so

1210
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: what has happened to me the last two years I

1211
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: baited was we started hunting April fifteenth, and we hammered

1212
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: it out until middle end of May. Well, bear season

1213
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: is still open in some of these areas in the

1214
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: Idaho particularly, and so I put bait in. Dude, nobody,

1215
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: here's the thing, nobody is baiting hardly in June. Everybody's

1216
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: kind of shot their watt. They've gone home, they're gone there,

1217
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: and you're not competing. So there's a couple of things.

1218
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: This is just my opinion. Number One, you're not competing.

1219
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: Number Two, you've got bears that are really on the

1220
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: move now. So the chances of them finding your bait,

1221
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: even though there may be less bears because they're spreading

1222
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: out more and maybe they're going to higher elevations and

1223
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: different things as the snow melts. But the reality is

1224
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: the bears are on the move more into maje you

1225
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: because the rut is coming. So the sous and the

1226
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: boys are on the move. So the chances them running

1227
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: into your bait is pretty good. So don't discount those

1228
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: early June baits. And I had great success with those,

1229
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: and and the hides are still pretty good at that point, right,

1230
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: They're not rubbing too bad. But you've got less people,

1231
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: You've got more bears roaming a bigger country. They're really

1232
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: on the move. Their noses are to the ground, they

1233
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: are really looking for souths. They're not going to pass

1234
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: up some cheerios. Now. The one thing about I will

1235
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: say is I didn't see a lot of repeats, meaning

1236
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: I would get a nice, big cinnamon I had this

1237
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: one big cinnamon bear I was trying to kill. I

1238
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: never did kill this bear, but I was baiting in

1239
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: June early June, like the Nime versus June, and I

1240
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: had him on camera a couple and then it'd be

1241
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: like a week I didn't see him. I know he's

1242
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 2: on the move, you know, he was just very sporadically

1243
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: hitting the bait. So what I'm saying is when you're

1244
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: baiting later in the season. When the bears are on

1245
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: the movie, you might get one chance to kill the

1246
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: bear and you better do it. So I typically switched

1247
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: to rifle in June on baits, and I would set

1248
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: further away from the bait. So I would set further

1249
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: away from the bait. I would get the baits in

1250
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: a little more open spot than normal. And because if

1251
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: I was archery, I want tight, but if with rifle,

1252
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: I would put him in a little more open and

1253
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: I would set further away because I feel like the

1254
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: bears are so much on the movie, you might not

1255
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: get a whole lot of chances. So that's just one observation.

1256
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: But the biggest observation is is that the bears are

1257
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: really mobile, so the chances them picking up your scent

1258
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: are good, and you got less bait eating pressure, and

1259
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: I think that's a positive as well.

1260
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's good. That's good information.

1261
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: Well man, thanks for coming on. Where can people find

1262
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: you if they want to look up your stuff on

1263
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: social media?

1264
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: Well, I just redid my website, Derek, I just redid

1265
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: everything because so many people are having trouble. Like we

1266
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: were talking before the show, I just started this new thrive.

1267
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: It's called the Thrive vodcast and it's a weekly show

1268
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: that I started, and you kind of took my thunder.

1269
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: I was going to cover some bear baiting, but I'm

1270
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: probably not maybe not now that I did this podcast,

1271
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: I'll just I think I'll just promote this podcast and

1272
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: do some snippets in the show. And so anyway, I

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Speaker 2: started this new Thrive podcast I've been on. Well, just

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Speaker 2: like this podcast, I have my Lama rentals, I had

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Speaker 2: my courses, so people were having trouble and I don't

1276
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 2: blame him. I was not very good about setting it up.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, long story, I just redid my website. So

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Speaker 2: Treeline a cat me net. You can get to everything

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Speaker 2: in one spot. You can see all my episodes of

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Speaker 2: podcasts of all one hundred and fifty podcasts I've ever

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01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: been on are categorized on there. All my Thrive episodes

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: are on there, All my courses are available there, my

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01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: tool kits are available there, My Lama rental stuff is

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Speaker 2: all there. So it's all in one spot. So it's

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Speaker 2: easy now. So I only really have two ways. It's

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Speaker 2: tree Line Academy dot net and it's tree Line Pursuits

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. So that's it.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha, and you're on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Now I am very recently. Did you see me there? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think I followed you. That's how much I followed.

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Speaker 2: You, so you must have got the follow back. So

1292
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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm slow to this game. I know.

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Speaker 2: I told myself I was not going to do TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. I'm not doing this Chinese spice whatever. People. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. But the reality is a lot

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Speaker 2: of people use it, and and it's got some night

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Speaker 2: features and uh, you know, I just feel like if

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Speaker 2: you want your content to be seen and you want

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Speaker 2: people to benefit from what you're doing, you gotta I

1300
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: got it. I had to do it. So I did it.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm not very far into my TikTok journey.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll start watching some of the years. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you're a TikTok.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not good. I'm not good at it. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: new too. I feel like I'm not I'm too way

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Speaker 1: too old for it. But I do like I do

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Speaker 1: like browsing because on TikTok, because it seems like, man,

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of news. I get more news

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Speaker 1: off TikTok than anyway, I.

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Speaker 2: Just I agree with that and the way they their algorithms,

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Speaker 2: the way they give you content that you're looking at. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know when I look at Instagram, you know, you

1314
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Speaker 2: look at you spend more than ten seconds on one whatever,

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Speaker 2: Like lately, I've been watching these I hate to admit this.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, oh my gosh, I know you are. Don't

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Speaker 2: even tell me you haven't been watching these, dirt because

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Speaker 2: I know you have been. So you know, on the

1319
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Speaker 2: Cutting the Distance podcast, we tell the truth, right yep. Okay,

1320
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Speaker 2: so don't try to deny it. The baby ais my

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Speaker 2: ass off, THEO what's his name? Oh my gosh, his

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Speaker 2: baby AI are hilariously and but when you watch a

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Speaker 2: few of them, that's all you see for.

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Speaker 1: Like I know, yeah, you don't, don't watch one of

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Speaker 1: them because you're gonna see nothing.

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Speaker 2: But oh I know. So I feel like TikTok is

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Speaker 2: better at that, Like is they don't just bomb bard

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Speaker 2: you with something you spend a little time on. Yep, anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's just mine. I don't know. I've just started and literally,

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Speaker 2: I it's so funny you said that because I literally

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Speaker 2: just started. Now, I created an account a little while ago,

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: but I just started putting out some So what I

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Speaker 2: think I'm gonna do with my TikTok is I'm gonna do.

1334
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Speaker 2: I've got so much baby and lama footage. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: do a lot of lama stuff on my TikTok. Oh. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So if you're interested in lamas, I just had my

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Speaker 2: fourth baby this morning.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. So I just had a baby girl this morning.

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Speaker 2: We were down there about nine o'clock. And so I

1341
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: have four babies this year. I'm gonna have probably eight

1342
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Speaker 2: or nine total, and it's all done. So, I mean,

1343
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Speaker 2: who doesn't love a baby lama?

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Speaker 3: Seriously?

1345
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Speaker 2: So I'm going to uh and I'm actually gonna be

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Speaker 2: playing around with the AI. I'm gonna take some of

1347
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Speaker 2: the stiments of my shows and have my and be

1348
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Speaker 2: habit with my mamas. It's gonna be funny.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm uh, I'm just brand new on there, so

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of learning the ropes. I'm learning the

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Speaker 2: rope still a little bit in TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well that's awesome, man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Derek for having me. It's catch it up with

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Speaker 2: YouTube brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been way too long, and yeah, we'll have

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01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: to talk talk more. You'll have to uh, you have

1359
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: to connect after Elk season and you'll have to tell

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Speaker 1: me all about your your grand adventures.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same with you. I was like, you have more

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Speaker 2: adventures than me, but you have more crazy stuff with

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Speaker 2: your adventures than I do. I don't know, it's maybe

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Speaker 2: it's just the way you put yourself in. You put

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Speaker 2: yourself in those situations more than I do. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know what may happen, So all right man,

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Speaker 1: all right, well thanks, we'll catch everybody on the flip flop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks sir,