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Speaker 1: like that's of course, why would you announce that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it sounds to me like those fish actually have the

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Speaker 1: ability to be around for a very long time if

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Speaker 1: if you let them. So you know where I fish,

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Speaker 1: I can't really do that. I mean, you could put

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Speaker 1: them in there and not tell anybody. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: make it passed July one anyway. So there's like a

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Speaker 1: happy medium in there somewhere, I think, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: But m yeah, I just thought i'd bring that up

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Speaker 1: because it was a new wrinkle of the story. I

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Speaker 1: found it interesting. I like it. I like it. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people have been saying that they have now

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Speaker 1: adopted truck trout because they've heard me say that. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was a common term. I thought everybody knew

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Speaker 1: what truck trout man. But I've heard that term before.

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Speaker 1: I definitely have. I would not have been confused by

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Speaker 1: that term. It makes me think of an ambulance chaser. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go in a way different direction. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I got a little bit of of housekeeping here

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Speaker 1: before we get to the news. UM reminder that while

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Speaker 1: we're on it, it is now, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: we could not possibly bring you better news. We could.

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Speaker 1: We could probably quit right there with news because that's

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Speaker 1: that's the best we're gonna get. Um. I do have

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Speaker 1: to shout out listener Ethan Barker though. A few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I did a news story on odd Bates and asked

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Speaker 1: you guys to shoot us a note about the weirdest

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Speaker 1: bait you've ever put on a hook, and Ethan sent

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Speaker 1: us a novella Okay, Key Takeaways. His favorite snack is

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Speaker 1: carrots and hummus. At one point in his life, he'd

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Speaker 1: eat an entire bag of carrots and tub of hummas daily,

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Speaker 1: and during a particularly rock 'em sock 'em tailwater trout

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Speaker 1: float one winner in his home of state of Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: he writes, I used my goofy buck teeth to nibble

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Speaker 1: a carrot, you know, about a six millimeter ball, which

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Speaker 1: is pretty brilliant. If he's on the stream that I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure he's on. But he even goes goes on

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Speaker 1: to say, as soon as the rig got to depth,

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Speaker 1: the pink bobber hesitated and with a brisk upwards strike

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Speaker 1: of a six weight we had on a very large rainbow.

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Speaker 1: As we lifted the fish for a quick gripping grin,

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Speaker 1: the rainbow was stricken by seasickness and vomited up a

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Speaker 1: charcuterie selection of scuds, may flies, a sculpin, and yes,

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Speaker 1: one chunk of Kroger organic baby carrot. It is organic.

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Speaker 1: That's what got him, which is great. And uh. He

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Speaker 1: concludes his note by saying, do not feel obligated to

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Speaker 1: share the story, but if you do, don't tell people

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Speaker 1: it was wyoming. I'll get shot. Whoops. You kind of

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Speaker 1: gave us no choice, though, Ethan, like you kind of

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Speaker 1: set us up for that. Um. Hopefully we didn't just

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Speaker 1: make you kick off with misery. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's looking for your vaccine, Ethan's looking for body armor anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's get on with the news now. Remember this is

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Speaker 1: a competition, Miles, and I don't know which story the

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Speaker 1: other dude wrangled up. And at the end of this,

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Speaker 1: our audio engineer and general man about town Phil, we'll

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Speaker 1: have to pull himself away from the new PS five

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Speaker 1: I hope he got for Christmas, because I know he

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Speaker 1: wanted one to declare the first news winner of the year.

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Speaker 1: And it is your turn to lead off today, sir.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, uh, right or wrong? It could be

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Speaker 1: a poor decision on my part, but I'm gonna stick

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Speaker 1: with the the questionable New Year's resolution theme touched on earlier,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try and keep this going throughout the

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Speaker 1: whole news segment. It's going to be a stretch, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see if I can pull it off. So this

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Speaker 1: first story covers a New Year's resolution that I should

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Speaker 1: probably consider adopting, and that would be to act more

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Speaker 1: like an octopus, at least in some ways. It turns

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Speaker 1: out that, like you and me, octopuses have fishing buddies,

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Speaker 1: but perhaps unlike you and me, they don't put up

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Speaker 1: with any ship from those partners. Right, we all have

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Speaker 1: certain fishing buddies who just don't contribute to the mission,

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Speaker 1: or show up on time or exactly, or bring the

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Speaker 1: lunch they were supposed to bring. Maybe they're always late, yes,

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Speaker 1: maybe they never have the right gear. Maybe they only

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Speaker 1: show up with three beers but inevitably drink ten. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they conveniently have to leave just as soon as you

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Speaker 1: start cleaning up. Or maybe you've been floating rivers together

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Speaker 1: for more than a decade now and they still haven't

503
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Speaker 1: learned how to row a damn boat. You know who

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Speaker 1: you are now. To be clear, contributions come in many forms.

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Speaker 1: I have great fishing friends who never have the right

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Speaker 1: gear or enough of it, but they always feel the

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Speaker 1: cooler and pay for gap. I have other friends who

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Speaker 1: are dead broke and couldn't catch a fish in a

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Speaker 1: hatchery pond, but they're so damn entertaining that I'll fish

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Speaker 1: with them anytime just for the quality of the company.

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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter. My point is that a good

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Speaker 1: fishing buddy has to contribute in some way. Sometimes, though,

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Speaker 1: you realize you've been fishing with someone for years and

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Speaker 1: they're not adding anything to your fishing days, and that's

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Speaker 1: the point where you should channel your inner octopus. Okay,

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Speaker 1: scientists have known since the eighties that octopuses will team

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Speaker 1: up with various different types of fishes to form hunting parties.

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Speaker 1: So they they'll get together and they'll target a section

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Speaker 1: of reef and work in tandem to flush out all

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Speaker 1: the prey hiding there. So the goat fish and other

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Speaker 1: bottom feeders will surround and guard the sea floor perimeter.

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Speaker 1: The semi benthic predators like groupers will be patrolling the

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Speaker 1: water column above the reef, and then the octopuses will

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Speaker 1: get in there and they'll dig through the coral itself,

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Speaker 1: flushing out prey from the holes and the crevices and

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Speaker 1: other spots they can hide. And each of these animals

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Speaker 1: has a role to play, and if one of them

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Speaker 1: doesn't do their job right, they all suffer. A recently

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Speaker 1: published study shows that octopuses are the ring leaders of

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Speaker 1: these operations, which isn't surprising given their superior intellect compared

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Speaker 1: with fish. It also shows that octopus don't tolerate lazy

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Speaker 1: or greedy partners. The paper states quote conflicts between partners

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Speaker 1: can arise over the level of investment or distribution of payoffs. Thus,

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Speaker 1: in this complex social network of interactions, partner control mechanisms

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Speaker 1: might emerge in order to prevent exploitation and ensure collaboration.

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Speaker 1: And partner control mechanisms might now be my favorite euphemism

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Speaker 1: for punching someone in the face, because that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: the researchers observed the octopus is doing. If a certain

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Speaker 1: fish didn't do its job right or maybe decided to

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Speaker 1: hang back and pick off the flesh prey instead of

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Speaker 1: actively working to patrol its area, the ringleader octopus would

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Speaker 1: seek it out and punch it in the face with

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Speaker 1: a tentacle. The paper goes on, here we report a

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Speaker 1: series of events where different octopus individuals engage in active

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Speaker 1: displacement of partner fish during collaborative hunting. To this end,

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Speaker 1: the octopus performs a swift, explosive motion with one arm

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Speaker 1: directed at a specific fish partner, which we refer to

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Speaker 1: as punching. One of the authors of the study, Edwards Sampio,

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Speaker 1: wrote on Twitter quote, this was probably the most fun

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Speaker 1: I had writing a paper ever, And if you read it,

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Speaker 1: that's that's pretty clear from the paper. It's one of

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Speaker 1: those rare fisheries papers that a lay person can actually

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Speaker 1: read it understand. Plus it's only eight pages long. But

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are like eight pages, come on,

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Speaker 1: I could watch like fifty TikTok videos in time of

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Speaker 1: reading date pages. Don't worry. You can see clips of

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Speaker 1: the octopus pugilists online and I will say that that's

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Speaker 1: also highly entertaining. So while I do not recommend punching

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Speaker 1: any of your fishing buddy in the face the next

560
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Speaker 1: time they eat all your jerky, or maybe steal the

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00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: last drunk and disorderly you have that actually swims right

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00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: and then pitch it into the trees in the first cast,

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Speaker 1: you might come up with other less violent partner control mechanisms.

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Speaker 1: I just have to jump right in and say that

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Speaker 1: you had said sometimes we have those fishing partners we

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Speaker 1: fish with for years before finally understanding that, like we

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00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't be fishing with them, and there I don't do that.

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Speaker 1: My my partner control mechanism is like I just don't

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Speaker 1: answer your MS anymore, and that's the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for the face punching. Um. I have

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Speaker 1: had a habit in the past. It's just like continuing

572
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: to fish with people who I should have stopped fishing

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Speaker 1: with years ago. And I'm trying to get better at that.

574
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of like sort of similar stories.

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Speaker 1: Now a couple of weeks in a row with like

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Speaker 1: this symbiotic relationship thing. You're really into that lately, you know,

577
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Speaker 1: I get on these kicks, man, I don't know, I

578
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: don't know something the certain things That story just jumped

579
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: out of me because I saw a video of an

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Speaker 1: octopus punching a fish in the face and I was like,

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00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta I gotta talk about that. So

582
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: to underst stand this, right, it all works in harmony,

583
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: and like the octopus kicked the stuff out to the

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Speaker 1: other fish sort of in the system, right in different places. Theoretically,

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Speaker 1: if everybody's doing their job, they're all getting food kicked

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00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: to them, right, because because the octopus are gonna be

587
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: pushing shrimp and small fish and stuff, and then they're

588
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: gonna run into the goat fish and they're gonna go

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00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: back to the octopus, right, and then to the grouper

590
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: you're saying exactly, And they're all working together. So like

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00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: the goat fish and the grouper and the octopuses are

592
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: all working collaboratively to get all the food out of

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Speaker 1: a little chunk of coral. Well, that's fascinating. I expect

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Speaker 1: a apology from from whoever put Finding Nemo together because

595
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: that's not it was not all harmony. That's not the way.

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00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: That's not the way that it worked. Um, everything else

597
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: in that was so accurate. But but that's that's like

598
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: a great mile science drop, right it was. It was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that. So, whether you're a person that wants

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Speaker 1: to catch more fish or an octopus where you have

601
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't pull his weight, maybe maybe what he

602
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: needs is uh, the the subject of of my first

603
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: story here, which is gonna go completely off of science

604
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: to tabloid journalism. So it is a new year, So

605
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: how about a forecast about what could be the hottest

606
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: lure of one. Right, if shark Tank shark Kevin O'Leary

607
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: has his way, you'll all be investing in the animated

608
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: lure this year and making him even richer. Uh. In

609
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: the latest round of Shark Tank investors throwing money at

610
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: hokey fish and garbage, O'Leary through three and twenty five

611
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: thousand clams right at the Animated Lore Company. And if

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Speaker 1: you're unfamiliar with this, and I doubt many of you are.

613
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a jointed, hardbait

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00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: you cast out under a bobber, and thanks to its

615
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: little internal motor and propeller on its nose, it swims

616
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: in circles below the float, darting and rolling and pausing,

617
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: just like a real live struggling bait fish. Now have

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Speaker 1: you seen this at I cast? You remember seeing this

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Speaker 1: that I could do. I remember being very judgmental of it. Okay,

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00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was gonna say, like, not to be

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Speaker 1: the dick. But but that was like one of those

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00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: walk by shaking my head booths, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like there there used to be a few at every

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Speaker 1: one of the industry shows, and this was a few

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00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: years ago when I first saw them there and at

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Speaker 1: the time, um as I recall, they're they're pretty limited,

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Speaker 1: like in size and pattern, like they just kind of

628
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: dropped this on the world. Well, fast forward to today

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Speaker 1: and the animated Lore has six different sizes and loads

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Speaker 1: and loads of colors, some of which they classify as

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Speaker 1: classic colors, some premium colors, the pricest models, those being

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Speaker 1: the premium Salt Water. We'll set you back nine bucks

633
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Speaker 1: a bait um, And if you just want to get

634
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: into this anime game, just sort of wet the whistle.

635
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: The classic Mini will cost you. So there's your price

636
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: ranges still cheaper than a than a horse skin swim

637
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: bait saying that is true, that is true, I'll give

638
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: you that much. And I will admit, man like, at

639
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: least in the videos on the Animated Lore site, that

640
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: the things look pretty damn good. They look they look

641
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: pretty realistic. They don't just sort of swim in a circle,

642
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: they change direction and they look good. However, um, if

643
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: you watch some some YouTube reviews, you know, by other

644
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: people not associated with the company, there you will hear

645
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: some naysayers say either they didn't swim correctly, or if

646
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: you bend that tiny little plastic propeller ever so slightly,

647
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: they're just done. And as a man who has been

648
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: given several mini helicopters as stocking stuffers over the years,

649
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: I can attest to the fragility of those little propellers,

650
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: like I've never had one last more than Christmas Day,

651
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I love the idea of it,

652
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: but they just don't last. Um. But I want to

653
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: do like a psychological evaluation on the people who are

654
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: all about these, because it's like even the Alabama rigs

655
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: oulots are like, I can't. I just couldn't. I couldn't

656
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: go there, you know. Um. And for the record, I'm

657
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: certainly not saying it won't get eight if it's swimming properly,

658
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of video of the animated lure sticking

659
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: giant bass granite, mostly in what looked like gated community ponds.

660
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: But still it is. It is what it is. But

661
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: I just find this fascinating because to me, this isn't

662
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: really a lure per se. You agree with that because

663
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: you don't work it right. It's it's fake live bait,

664
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: is what it is. But it's also fake live bait

665
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: that's far far more expensive than a bucket of real

666
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: live bait. And I suppose one could argue that it's

667
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: it's more convenient than live bait, barring that whole pesky

668
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: USB charging time. And apparently some run forty five minutes,

669
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: others can run for two hours. But you have one

670
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: of them, right, unless like you just buy crazy amounts.

671
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: But let's assume you buy one. It's like one pick

672
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: roll and that's done. Like if you let that premium

673
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: saltwater big Eye scad model swim around over a Florida

674
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: keys reef for five minutes, it's done like a kuda

675
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: will make that go by by real fast. Yet the

676
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: animated Lord looks so realistic that it worries me slightly

677
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: and hear me out because I look at like the

678
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: mighty Bite fish caller. And when that first came out,

679
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying to myself, like, g in thirty years,

680
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: every boat will come standard with one of those, you

681
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, but definitely not yeah, right, but

682
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the animated Lord, I'm not sure. So I just question,

683
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: especially with this investment, right, is it destined to fade

684
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: away like the others? And in some cases what I

685
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: would say, we're better quote gimmicks than this, like the

686
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: Flying Lord. We love to make fun of those, But

687
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: if you break it down, that was actually a really

688
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: smart design that I always thought if it hadn't been

689
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: as seen on TV deal it could have had stay power. Right,

690
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: I've caught a ton of fish on those Or is

691
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: this like the first step towards where fishing tackle in

692
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: general is going, like the first step towards creating the

693
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: terminator technology that will ultimately destroy us, because if I mean,

694
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: you've got reels with computer chips in them now. So

695
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: every time one of these things pop up, I start questioning, like,

696
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: is this the step, you know, because this one's getting

697
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: a lot of hype, a lot of money, and a

698
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: lot of hype behind this. I don't think this is

699
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: the one now. I don't think this is I might

700
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: eat my words on this in in five or ten

701
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: years and and it will all be out there for

702
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: people to judge me on. But I don't think this

703
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: is the one that pushes us over the edge into

704
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: like full on robot fishing forever. Okay, I just don't

705
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: think we're there yet, that's fair. But and and we're

706
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: not going to spend too much time one because we

707
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: could do a whole show on it. But in the

708
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: shortest version, do you ever think that we are are

709
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: headed there? Yeah? I remember seeing a story years ago

710
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: that like talked about the future. I forget what magazine

711
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: it was in, And basically they had like a dude

712
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: dressed up like a power ranger with a thing on

713
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: his wrist that would like, you know, just talk to

714
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: the lor you just control it with where your arm

715
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: moved and then you know, like, I don't know, I mean,

716
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: do you think that we that can happen. I don't

717
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: think it's gonna get there. I think people like the

718
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: experience of feeling a fish through a rod and line

719
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: is never gonna go away like that. That is what

720
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: people desire. That is a big part of the draw fishing.

721
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that goes away. But I do think

722
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: that we're going to continue to get more and more

723
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: mechanized around that basic set of tools. Okay, And do

724
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: you have a particular piece of like a prediction on

725
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: a particular piece of gear that you can see getting

726
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: all checked out, because I don't. I don't have one

727
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: in the pipeline here. I'm just like spouting off right now.

728
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: I think probably like the reels for sure. And I

729
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: think eventually we're going to have the camera technology is

730
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna get better and better to the point where you're

731
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: casting the camera and you're seeing things and it's not

732
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna suck the way it does now. I think that's

733
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: where it's going to go over the top eventually. Oh yeah,

734
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: you just reminded me. I'm still waiting on my media

735
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: sample of that that lower with the camera in it.

736
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: That's an iodcast every year. But they're like, oh no,

737
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: no, no no, still prototype. I'm like, when, when when do

738
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: I see it? I want to see the King Mackerel

739
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: snip the thing off in real time anyway, and and

740
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: when that happens, I'll be watching your your your channels,

741
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: your Instagram just to laugh at you, believe it or not, dude.

742
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: I also dug into the tabloids this week from my

743
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: second story. We were playing in the same pool um.

744
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: But again I'm sticking with the resolution theme, and it

745
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: feels like every year around now we hear about famous

746
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: people resolving to eat healthier, and we have to hear

747
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: all the details of what they're going to do, as

748
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: if we care or whether it's Atkins or Keto or

749
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Paleo or I don't know, I don't know. I don't

750
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: keep up with any of that. But one of the

751
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: dietary resolutions that famous or semi famous people have been

752
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: announcing for a while is to eat less animal protein

753
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: and more fish protein. I came across the story on

754
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: the website Page six, which, in case you don't know,

755
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: is a trashy online British tabloid. Uh that may have

756
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: has been stars thinking twice about that resolution this year.

757
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: The first line of the story goes, Victoria Beckham is

758
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: keeping it real r E E L after tests found

759
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: a dangerously high level of toxic mercury in her system.

760
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: There's so much wrong with that sentence. I could spend No,

761
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: that's not sporty spice, isn't it? That would be posh spice.

762
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, beyond the terrible, beyond the terrible pun which

763
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: doesn't even actually make sense, there's like that scared tactic

764
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: use of the word toxic, Like non toxic mercury does

765
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: not exist in the human body. You don't need to

766
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: say toxic anyway. Victoria Beckham a k A. Posh Spice

767
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: of the Spice Girls and wife of soccer star David Beckham,

768
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: was apparently treating herself to a lavish health spot treatment

769
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: in Germany when they found levels of mercury in her

770
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: blood that were quote off the scale. Turns out that

771
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: for years she's been living on a diet that consists

772
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: primarily of tuna and swordfish, both known vectors for mercury contamination.

773
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: But don't worry. That same SPA performed a liver cleans

774
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: and she now feels quote brilliant and lean and fit

775
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: as ever. Thank my god. What kind of spy is

776
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: drawing blood? What spy are you going to? A really

777
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: expensive one? But wait, there's more. Strangely, in the same week,

778
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: another British nineties pop star, Robbie Williams of the half

779
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: a hit wonder band Take That Announced exactly, announced that

780
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: he had recently nearly died from you may see where

781
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm going here mercury poisoning because of his all fish diet.

782
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: He could only afford the telap He's not possible. If

783
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: you look this guy up, he's He's huge in the Britain,

784
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: just didn't make it cross the pond. Apparently Robbie has

785
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: been eating expensive and high in the food chain fish

786
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: two to three times a day for decades. Good news

787
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: for all of us, though, unless you're an insanely wealthy

788
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: form of rock star, you can't afford tuna and swordfish

789
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: multiple times a month, much less daily. But I got

790
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: more because this was a big week for Mercury news,

791
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: even beyond the British tabloids. First, a commission here in

792
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: my home state of Montana just came out with a

793
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: revised warning about the Clark Fork River advising people against

794
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: eating any fish from that system due to elevated levels

795
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: of mercury and other toxins. So heads up to my

796
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: people out in Missoula. And last, but certainly not least,

797
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: a recent study found mercury levels in the deepest parts

798
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: of the ocean the Abysso and hado polagic zones are

799
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: starting to increase. They hypothesize this is coming from mercury

800
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: laden fish near the surface. When those fish die, the

801
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: remains sink, and some of those remains make it all

802
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: the way to the abyss in the form of slowly

803
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: sinking detritus known as marine snow. Mercury that was once

804
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: in the stratosphere is now reaching the deepest depths of

805
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: the oceans thanks to polagic fish that are the primary

806
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: vehicle for that transmission. Okay, it was just a crazy

807
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: week for mercury headlines and I wanted to cover off

808
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: on all those. But despite all of that, I think

809
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: I gotta reiterate that fish aren't bad for you now,

810
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: as long as you're smart about what you eat and

811
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: in what quantities. Don't stack your freezer with high mercury

812
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: fish like raisin, tuna, and bill fish and sharks and

813
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: barremundy and orange roughie or whatever they're calling it now,

814
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and definitely don't go on an all pelagic fish diet.

815
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: Check with your state Fish and Game Commission about consumption

816
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: advisories for the places you like to catch and eat fish.

817
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: If you follow those simple guidelines, you will be fine

818
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: and you will not have to go to a German

819
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: health spa to get your blood drawn and your liver

820
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: cleansed like a good old Posh spice there. Yeah, this

821
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: is why scientists invented to lapia for this very reason.

822
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: So there are nineties pop stars would not end up

823
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: in this kind of peril. Oh, I can't go with you.

824
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: There was not true. I know, I know, I'm kidding

825
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: you know this is it is it awful for a

826
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: part of me to be like good. I'm glad that happened,

827
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: because nobody like even if I had that much tuna

828
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: in swordfish, hey, I would get sick of eating it

829
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: every night. I mean, that's just like you can't eat

830
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: filamon every night or lobster every night right now. You

831
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't know if we could or couldn't, because

832
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: we never will. But like a piece of swordfish or

833
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: tuna is such a treat that just to think of it,

834
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: like can tuna or just something so mundane that you

835
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: would just eat it every day? Good, I'm glad stop

836
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: eating that, Like you know, I I can't even imagine

837
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: um quick to obviously like I just have to. I

838
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: know this is not about the mercury. But I once

839
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: ordered a seafood Bullyo base at a Jersey shore restaurant.

840
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: Like we were sitting on the deck on the bay,

841
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: like I could smell the salt, and they said the

842
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: fish of the day was in the Bullyo base and

843
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: I did not question it. I said, chef's choice where

844
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: at a seafood restaurant and it was it was tilapia.

845
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: And my wife was like, please don't make a scene.

846
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: Like that's how upset I was. She was like, can

847
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: I just enjoy my meal? Please don't make a scene anyway, Tilapia,

848
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: you can eat all that you want. Eat all the telapia,

849
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: push Bie and use them. I think they're gross. Robbie, whoever, Um,

850
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: you also have to say, how amazing is that like

851
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: to have mercury levels that how much of that ship

852
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: do you have to eat? For it to actually get

853
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: to the point where it's like, damn your mercy, all

854
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: out of whack likedfish. That is nuts. Okay, all right,

855
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: how am I gonna do this? I will go from

856
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: rich people eating too much offshore fish to people who

857
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: weren't rich getting getting kind of rich off of flea

858
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: market finds. Kind of sort of is that weird? That

859
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: was an awful trans terrible trans but real, real bad. Um.

860
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: We'll file this in the financial department news too. This

861
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: is from m live dot com. You're gonna like this though.

862
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Headline fish decoy, carved by Michigan artist in nineteen forty

863
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: sells for record price at auction. And since you know

864
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm a vintage tackle geek, this is like right at

865
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: my alley. Um. Now, in case you don't know what

866
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: fish decoys are some of you out there, this is

867
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: a carved fish, painted and used in pike spearing, which

868
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: is still a very big deal in the Midwest and

869
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: Upper Midwest. Instead of drilling a small hole, miles, you've

870
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: done this right, so correct me if I if I

871
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: have it wrong. You carve out a giant rectangle and

872
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: you're usually in pretty shallow water, and you do this

873
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: in a shanny, so it's nice and dark, so you

874
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: can see down into the water. And you send these

875
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: decoys down on lines and they attract pike, they come

876
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: over for a look see, and then you just drill

877
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: them in the head with a pitchfork. Is basically how

878
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: it works. Um, And I've I've never done it. I've

879
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: always wanted to try it. It looks, it looks like

880
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: a ton of fun. But while there are modern commercially

881
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: made decoys, they were traditionally hand carved and if I'm

882
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: not mistaken right, the shape, the fin structure, it can

883
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: vary to sort of change the action, like some will

884
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: spiral down when you let him go down in a circle,

885
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: some will glide away and dart away. And there's a

886
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: lot of art and craft that goes into them. But

887
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: they've also become folk card people who never intend to

888
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: use them by them as decorations. I think, like I

889
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: think pure One was selling them for a time. Anyway,

890
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: from the story. Here, a fish decoy crafted by a

891
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Michigan artist sold for a world record price this week.

892
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Created by noted carver and folk artists Oscar Peterson of Cadillac,

893
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: the fifteen inch long pike with glass eyes sold for

894
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: forty two thousand, five hundred dollars, a world record. Yeah man, yeah,

895
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: a world record for a fish decoy at auction. According

896
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: to the auction firm Guyette and Deeterer, Inc. The decoy

897
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: was made around ninety and is in pristine conditions. Into this,

898
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: a total of twenty four fish decoys were offered in

899
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the sale, with a cumulative estimate of fifty five to

900
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: eighty two thousand dollars. However, they exceeded expectations by achieving

901
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: a total of one hundred and eighteen thousand, five hundred

902
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: dollars for the lot. More than doubled, more than doubled.

903
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: So I had to do a little digging, right, because

904
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: I was so curious. So I did a little digging

905
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: on Oscar Peterson and found some info actually on the

906
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: website of Antiques Road Show, which I'll admit I'm a

907
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: fan of. I love it. I get sucked in when

908
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: there's a marathon on. I like it. Okay, um it's

909
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: good like wearing slippers and drinking a warm drink watching

910
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: my stories. Um. So I actually found the transcript from

911
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: from an episode featuring some other Peterson decoys, and I

912
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: learned that the father of the gent who brought these

913
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: inn forra appraisal got them from Oscar Peterson, and they

914
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: were well used. His dad was a farmer. He ice

915
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: fished all winner in Michigan, and when he passed away,

916
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: his son kept right on using them. But they were,

917
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: um all still in pretty good shape. And to be clear,

918
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't think the ones on Antique Road Show are

919
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: the same ones in the auction, right, but this is

920
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: just useful backstory on who Peterson was. And according to

921
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: the appraiser, Peterson made loads and loads of decoys and

922
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: would sell just as many, if not more, to tourists

923
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: than actual ice fishermen. So there you go, right, they

924
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: have souvenir appeal. The appraiser also said, this is a quote.

925
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: The thing that's cool about his stuff is that he

926
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: did make a lot of them, but he didn't lose

927
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: that enthusiasm for the way that he carved them or

928
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the way that he decorated them. And I always look

929
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: for the way he turned the mouth. And the one

930
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: thing you really got to watch out for these days,

931
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reproductions and out and out fakes.

932
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: So um, even in slightly beat up condition. On Antiques

933
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Road Show, they ones this guy had some appraise for

934
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: thirty Pop and that was a few years ago. So

935
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a nearly hundred and twenty thousand dollar jackpot on

936
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: ice decoys for someone out there. And I gotta tell you,

937
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I said, I collect vintage gear, and even out here

938
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: on the East Coast, I see I see spearing decoys frequently,

939
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: but I I never buy them because they don't speak

940
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: to me right, as they say, like pike spearing ice

941
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: fishing in general, They're just not part of the culture here.

942
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: Like I buy the ship out of vintage striper lures

943
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: every chance I get, but I always passed these up.

944
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: And this has got me thinking. Right, However, what this

945
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: story ultimately tells me is that these decoys, this transcends

946
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: tackle and becomes art. And clearly there's like a similar

947
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: scene to say, like you know, buying paintings, where you

948
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: have to know exactly what you've got, be well versed

949
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: in the history and all the different makers. Um, and

950
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, the odds of me snagging one at the

951
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Columbus flea market for five bucks and flipping it for

952
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: five k probably pretty slim, you know. Plus I take

953
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: it you don't ever really know which ones were just

954
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: made to be kind of kitchy art pieces and which

955
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: were legitimately made for the ice use, and I'd suspect

956
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: those are the ones that are the most valuable. So

957
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: I thought that was cool. Though. No, I think you

958
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: hit this one really well with the folk art thing,

959
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: and I think that I think for a very long time,

960
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: like more than a generation, those decoys have been more

961
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: folk art than practical use because dark house spearing has

962
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: really fallen off since the Depression. It's just not I mean,

963
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I thought I thought a bunch of

964
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: people still did it. I mean, I know it's still done.

965
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: Certainly there are people who still do it, but I

966
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: think I think those people, many of them, would agree

967
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: that it's sort of a dying tradition. For a number

968
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: of reasons. Um, this was something we If any of

969
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: you watched the fur Had Ice Tour, you saw a

970
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: fair amount of spearing, and we covered it for exactly

971
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: this reason. It's it's a really interesting, kind of antiquated

972
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: way of trying to procure fish through the ice. But

973
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: you know, there is no catching release when you put

974
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: a giant barbed trident through a fish, You're done. Um.

975
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: A lot of the people who are doing it now

976
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: they still use decoys, but they're not using those spears anymore.

977
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: They're using they just send an anim mad just animated

978
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: lures and but it it is we we We met

979
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: and interviewed a woman in Fondelac, Wisconsin, Mary LuSE Schneider,

980
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: who was one of the most interesting people I've ever

981
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to spend some time with. She's a carver,

982
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: Her art is beautiful. It's it very much is a

983
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: cultural pastime in in northern parts of North America, and

984
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: it's the sort of thing that's passed on from generation generation.

985
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: I think it is going away. There are far fewer

986
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: carvers than there used to be, which is why you're

987
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: getting what you found in the story, right, That's why

988
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: these are valuable. They're there, they have a historic significance now,

989
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: so great story man, that was That was awesome. I

990
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: think fish carving, like the decoy art, is fascinating, partially

991
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: because you can have the most elaborate decoy in the

992
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: world down there, and and the thing that the fish

993
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: are gonna come to is like a golf ball on

994
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: a stream. They don't give a ship. Yeah, I know

995
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: that's why I I think I'd be more fascinated doing

996
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: it to to play with different decoys and see like

997
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: what actually gets those fish wrapped up and what doesn't.

998
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: But you know again, tackle Nerd, Vintage tackle Nerd had

999
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: to do it. Find it fascinating. Uh, Phil, you can

1000
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: go vintage tackle here? Um what other ways can we go?

1001
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: Punching oct that's gonna win, that's probably gonna win. Um,

1002
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: a lot of choices here for Phil to to declare

1003
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: a first winner of the new year. And as soon

1004
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: as we are done hearing from Phil, We're going to

1005
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: kick it over to trivia and kind of dive into

1006
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: art in in fly tying valuable flies created in central

1007
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and how that links to fast food. The octopus

1008
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: almost got me, but for schooling me about a world

1009
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: that I know nothing about. Joe, you're the winner this week.

1010
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Well we really need to do is get these octopuses

1011
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: thrown into the UFC Octopus in the octagon. I mean,

1012
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: come on, the pay per view event practically rights itself.

1013
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: You've gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand

1014
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: that under are you well versed? They are you? Very smart? Man?

1015
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: All right, playing trivia today, my longtime friend, the man

1016
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: behind Wild East Outfitters out here in eastern Pennsylvania, Nick Raft,

1017
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: is what's going on, man? Not much? Are you doing good? Good?

1018
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: Are you excited to play trivia today? Are you feeling

1019
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: mentally prepared for what's to come? Maybe a little nervous? Actually,

1020
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: fair and fair enough. You've been just scrolling through Wikipedia

1021
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: memorizing random facts. That's just hoping you hit on the

1022
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: right topic. Uh so, you and I haven't fishing together

1023
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: a lot of years, and one of the places that

1024
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: we have done that several times is h Latorte Spring

1025
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: Run in central Pennsylvania. Miles. Are you familiar with Latorte

1026
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: Spring Run? Not in a personal sense, but I know

1027
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: I know it. I've seen photos and red articles and

1028
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: seen videos of it, but I've never fished it. Right,

1029
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: It's you're better off for not being personally acquainted with it,

1030
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: because it is just it just makes me absolutely pull

1031
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: my hair out. It is a very famous limestone rich

1032
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: in fly fishing history. Greats like Charlie Fox and Ernest

1033
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: schweibert Um did a lot of great things there. But um,

1034
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: it just drives me to madness. It's like ten ft

1035
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 1: across and choked full of weeds. And I've never caught

1036
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: anything out of there, even its supposed to be browns.

1037
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: And there I did watch Nick almost break his ankle

1038
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: there once, falling in a sinkhole. Um. But anyway, I thought,

1039
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: I thought it's great. Just everybody. Everybody jump on a plane. Actually,

1040
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: the first time I ever got there, I was like,

1041
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: this is it? This is this piss trickle? Is latwort

1042
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: spring run? But anyway, since we have a common shared

1043
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: history there, we're gonna go to the Latworte route for

1044
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: question uh number one. So, Nick, because I'm sure you

1045
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: are aware, one of the famous people to fish Latorte,

1046
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: famous fly tire by the name of Ed Shank, who

1047
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: just passed away last April, and he's developed quite a

1048
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: few fly patterns. So I'm gonna test your knowledge of

1049
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: your home area here Pennsylvania and ask you which of

1050
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: the following is not an Ed Shank pattern? Is it

1051
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: a the Latorte hopper, be the shank white minnow, see

1052
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: the Littorte cricket, or d the shank purple cress bug? Uh?

1053
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: One of those is not an edge shank pattern? And

1054
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: because I mean isn't all you fish ed shank patterns?

1055
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I fish any of them. Um, Holy cow,

1056
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a you're gonna say that the

1057
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: Latorte hopper is not a fly developed by Ed Shank?

1058
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: All right, I'll go with the purple crest bug, smart man,

1059
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: because that's the correct I was to say. It's the

1060
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: most obvious one that I can't let you choke that

1061
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: badly on our show. But yes, the shank purple crest

1062
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: bug is the one I made up. And all the

1063
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: rest are famous shank patterns, and the common theme with

1064
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: all of them is that they are super sparse, because

1065
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: that's what you need on ten foot streams. That make

1066
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: me want to shoot myself when fishing them. It's no fun. Um.

1067
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: But but okay, I'm gonna give you that one, even

1068
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: though I kind of nudged you in the right direction. Um.

1069
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: So question number two, here we go. Uh. If if

1070
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: I were fishing at the mouth of the world famous

1071
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Latorte spring run right, it's confluenced with the Conna de Gwinnett. Right,

1072
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: you you're familiar with this spot. We fished it together

1073
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: several times. If I were suddenly struck by hunger, which

1074
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: is the following would be the shortest walk from that

1075
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: exact spot. A Arby's, be the Iron Skillet, C McDonald's,

1076
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: or D correctly subs and pizza. Mm hmm. Don't act

1077
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: like you don't know the answer to this question. I

1078
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: don't know that one correct armies Arby's. It's in all

1079
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: its scenic beauty and heritage history. If you were fishing

1080
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: the confluence and we're hungry, you could walk to a

1081
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: freaking Arby's on the world famous Litwarts Spring Run. I'm

1082
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: proud of you. That's kind of two for two. That

1083
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: might be my favorite trivia question we've had that was

1084
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: so wonderfully not fish related at all. Well, I I

1085
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you playing today, Nick, and uh, I guess next

1086
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: time I see you and we fish Arby's on me? Alright?

1087
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: Sounds good? Sound good? Alright? Perfect awesome. So after hearing that,

1088
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure most of you trout bumps are thinking the

1089
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: second I am vaccinated, I am so on a plane

1090
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: to look towards Spring Run in central Pennsylvania. Go ahead,

1091
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: I dare you, because it requires full on a game fishing,

1092
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: and I'm totally a C student sees get degrees on

1093
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: most other trout streams, and that's fine. But if you

1094
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: are headed out and you think you're gonna show those

1095
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: legacy Browns whose boss by skipping the size forty eight

1096
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: crest bug on a thirty eight ft eight X leader,

1097
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: Miles has just the dry fly for that guy that

1098
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: wants to force feed him with a slap in the face,

1099
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: and you're about to learn all about it in this

1100
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: week's end of the line. Well, that's not allowed enough, Burt.

1101
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: If I had the wager which dry fly caught most

1102
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: fish this century, i'd stacked my chips on the Chernobyl Aunt,

1103
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: or one of its variants. For those who don't know,

1104
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: the Chernobyl aunt is a jiggly, buoyant mass of foam

1105
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: and rubber. The original version, which is a couple of

1106
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: chunks of foam sandwich around a long shank hooked with

1107
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: some legs hanging off, doesn't look like much from a

1108
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: topsider's perspective, but from beneath the surface tension, it looks

1109
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: a whole lot like any number of large segmented insects

1110
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: a hopper, stone fly, cicada, cricket and whatever. But that

1111
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: profile is only part of the fly's appeal. While traditional

1112
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: drive lies are tied with feathers and fur materials that

1113
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: absorb water and cease to remain, you know, dry, The

1114
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: use of closed cell foam was something of a revelation.

1115
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: If you're kind of new to fly fishing or under

1116
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: the age of thirty, you probably take foam flies for granted.

1117
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: But even though just about every fly in the band

1118
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: at your local shop uses foam now, it's actually pretty

1119
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: new and it's widespread use can be traced back to

1120
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: the Chernobyl. The details about exactly when and how this

1121
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: fly came along and hazy, which is not surprising because

1122
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: those details are based on the oral histories of fishing

1123
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: guides standing around a fly shop parking lot and talking

1124
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: shipped to each other over thirty years ago. The following

1125
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: history of the fly may not be one true, but

1126
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: it's probably close. I think the chernobyl Ant wasn't the

1127
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: first fly to incorporate closed cell phone anyone else Remember

1128
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: the crappy little foam spiders tackle shops he's selling the eighties.

1129
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: I caught the hell out of blue gill on those things. Anyway,

1130
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: the chernobyl first made foam popular the specific iteration of

1131
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: closed cell foam used in fly design was originally invented

1132
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: by NASA in nineteen sixty six, and by nineteen seventy

1133
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: it had been developed into craft foam sheets. The first

1134
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: fly designer credited with using that foam is Larry Tullis.

1135
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: Rumor has it the Tullis started experimenting with foam flies

1136
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: in the late seventies, but it wasn't until four that

1137
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: he shared his knowledge with a few guides on the

1138
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: Green River in Utah. But then it took a few

1139
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: more years after that to really catch on. Pioneering guy

1140
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: to that era, Mark Forsland told the Salt Lake Tribune,

1141
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: fishing on the Green really slows down in August and September.

1142
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: I needed something to catch fish, so Fslin made a

1143
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: two inch long foam fly wrapped with black hack call,

1144
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: figuring you know, something might eat it. On a summer afternoon,

1145
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: after a fishless morning, Forsland asked Dick Peterson, one of

1146
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: his regular clients, to try out his new idea. According

1147
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: to Forsland, I told Dick that I had this really

1148
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: silly looking fly I wanted him to try as soon

1149
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: as it hit the water, This big brown came from

1150
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: six ft away and just hammered it. That afternoon, Peterson

1151
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: landed twenty seven fish on the fly and christened it

1152
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: the black Mamba. Word of the mamba's deadly effectiveness got around.

1153
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: A short time later, at least one and possibly as

1154
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: many as four different tires swapped out the hackle for

1155
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: rubber legs, giving the pattern even more profile and wiggle

1156
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: and getting rid of every single natural material. Thus the

1157
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: Chernobyl was born, except it wasn't called the Chernobyl yet.

1158
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: One of the people who started tying the rubber legged

1159
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,479
Speaker 1: mambas was guide Alan Woolley. After a day on the water,

1160
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: some of the guys were hanging around the parking lot

1161
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: drinking beer when Mark Benyon asked Willie what the hell

1162
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: his clients were catching all those fish on Willy showed

1163
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: off the bug and said it doesn't need a fancy

1164
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: and it's just a damn aunt, to which Benyon responded, yeah,

1165
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: but it's a Chernobyl aunt. Chernobyl was, of course a

1166
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: reference to the worst nuclear power plant disaster in history

1167
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: that occurred in northern Ukraine. In fishing guides being suckers

1168
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: for dark humor, I could only imagine that laughter ensued,

1169
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: more beers were consumed, and the name officially stuck. Several

1170
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: other Green River guides have been credited with inventing the Chernobyl,

1171
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: including Denny Breer, Emmitt Heath, and Rainy Riding. Maybe they

1172
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: all invented it independently, maybe they borrowed from each other.

1173
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know one thing I know for certain, However,

1174
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: this fly is a product of the Green River, regardless

1175
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: of who actually invented it. The Chernobyl started making its

1176
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: way around the Mountain West, but its fame really took

1177
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: off when it was used to win the Jackson Hole

1178
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: One Fly, the most prestigious freshwater fishing competition in the world.

1179
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: By the turn of the twenty one century, the Chernobyl

1180
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: had become the most popular guide fly on every drift

1181
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: boat from New Mexico to Montana. And that's about the

1182
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: time that I was turned onto it gifted a fistful

1183
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,439
Speaker 1: and a bar parking lot by a buddy who poured

1184
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: drinks at night and road clients during the day. I

1185
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: took that fistful rock scrambling through Yankee Jim Canyon on

1186
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: the Yellowstone River. The following late summer morning, the water

1187
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: was low, and it seemed like every exposed boulder held

1188
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: a fat cutthroat that just couldn't help but rise in

1189
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: that painful, slow motion crawl unique to cutties. Whenever Chernobyl

1190
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: floated past, it was stupid and I was an instant convert.

1191
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: A few years later, tyre Will dorn In subbed out

1192
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: the underbody foam for dubbing and added two big polypropylene

1193
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: wings that stick up like double yard indicators, creating the

1194
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: chubby Chernobyl. I was a full time guide by then,

1195
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: and for a few seasons we basically just fished chubbies

1196
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: in various sizes and colors from May through October. The

1197
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: chubby completely changed Western trout fishing because it's both an

1198
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: effective dry fly and a viable strike indicator. A big

1199
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: one will float a large, heavy nymph and be visible

1200
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: to all but the most near sighted anglers. The chubby

1201
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: is no longer the automatic fish magnet it once was,

1202
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: at least on high traffic rivers. Once the fish started

1203
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: seeing a couple of hundred chubbies a day, they wised

1204
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: up quick tip, though, try darkening the underside of the

1205
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: wings with a brown or black marker for those pressured fish.

1206
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 1: But even if chubbies aren't the magic elixsor they once were,

1207
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: I still carry several dozen in various sizes and colors

1208
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: in addition to the classic Chernoby lands. They still just work,

1209
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: and not only on trout. I've caught baths, sunfish, gold eye,

1210
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: and common carp and I have friends who have used

1211
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: them on everything from golden Doratto to channel cats. This

1212
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: is one of those bugs that you should always have

1213
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: in your box. Well that is all the time we

1214
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,479
Speaker 1: have this week, And while we hope that you're out

1215
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: trying to catch your first fish in the air, just

1216
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: in case you're not, or perhaps you're incapable of doing

1217
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: so because you can't open your eyes, we gave you

1218
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: a book to read, Fly to sigh, and finally, finally

1219
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Speaker 1: a reason to visit Nebraska. Oh that's cold, cold way

1220
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,160
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1222
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1223
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1224
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: it going without you. You know, you guys are important

1225
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1232
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Speaker 1: kids out there, don't forget to add just a little

1233
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1235
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Speaker 1: of it last night. Also for your sanity, don't forget

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Speaker 1: it's only seventy nine days until the first official day

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