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Speaker 1: now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans,

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Speaker 1: and David Hellman. It is Tuesday, February the twenty second,

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Speaker 1: and we are back with a brand new episode of

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show for y'all. Like the Big Voice said,

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Speaker 1: I am David Hellman. I'm joined as usual by Kyle

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Speaker 1: Yeoman's Brian brought us Jeff Kavanaugh. Morning fellows. How are

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Speaker 1: we doing? Doing well? Doing well? Thank you. I gotta

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Speaker 1: be honest, Brian, I'm I mean, I'm happy about the

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Speaker 1: with everything that was going on with basically a threatened

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Speaker 1: But then again, you're talking to a guy then nineteen

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Speaker 1: to agent demands because they're not wanting to tank their ratings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, And you know I understand it's the NFL

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Speaker 1: have said we're boycotting the medicals too. Now you would

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine is set the start in Indianapolis basically

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Speaker 1: Green were both available, would you take Nakobe Dean over them?

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green? Sorry, oh gee, my Jayron curse was on

428
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Speaker 1: your station this morning. I got confused. I'm sorry, it's

429
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Speaker 1: not my great interview. By the way, I guess it

430
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Speaker 1: is still my station, and yes, it is still your

431
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Speaker 1: station for a few more days. Basically a classic. In

432
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Speaker 1: a classic debate over available guys, like what do you

433
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Speaker 1: value more between those offensive linemen or Nacoby Dean? All right,

434
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Speaker 1: coming in hot here, m linder bomb one, I would

435
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Speaker 1: take the center number one, Kenyon Green number two, Nakobe

436
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Speaker 1: Dean number three. Nakobe Dean might be as good or

437
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Speaker 1: better than the other two at their jobs. But man,

438
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: people are not gonna like to hear this. Because Michael

439
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: Parsons has been so good. I'm taking an offensive lineman

440
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Speaker 1: that I love over all, linebacker that I love all day,

441
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: every day, Oh all day every day. Does that mean

442
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: that you would still take Slater over Parsons. I refuse

443
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Speaker 1: to answer that question. It's a push. It doesn't matter,

444
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: just you couldn't go wrong. But Parsons is different because

445
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: Parsons is more than a linebacker exactly. Nakobe Dean is

446
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: not going to line up at defensive end and get

447
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Speaker 1: you and have the highest pass rush win rate in

448
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Not gonna happen. Michael Parsons is a freak show.

449
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean is an awesome linebacker, and I'd love him

450
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Speaker 1: at twenty four. But if you told me that you

451
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Speaker 1: have a great center prospect and a great guard prospect,

452
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Speaker 1: I'm going the center, the guard, then the linebacker. It's

453
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Speaker 1: the same argument that we had last year. At least

454
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Speaker 1: we're consistent and the way we're talking about it. But yeah,

455
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: it's exactly right. And Brian said this on multiple occasions.

456
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Speaker 1: If you could have told me going into that draft

457
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Speaker 1: that Michael Parsons was going to be what Michael Parsons

458
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Speaker 1: was this year and the way that he was able

459
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Speaker 1: to be utilized in a versatility standpoint, then you can

460
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Speaker 1: talk about taking him over Rashawn's later because you're taking

461
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Speaker 1: an edge rusher at that point. However, I'm right there

462
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: with Jeff. I'm the exact order. Linderbaum Green, then Nakobe Dean.

463
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Speaker 1: But this also brings up a question for me. I

464
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Speaker 1: was watching Devin again yesterday out of Utah linebacker. Does

465
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Speaker 1: he go before Nakobe Dean? He will on some boards

466
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: because he's six three. I think so too. I would

467
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: bet on Nakobe Dean as the player over Devin Lloyd.

468
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Speaker 1: But I would bet on Devin Lloyd being drafted before

469
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Speaker 1: Nakobe d I agree with you. I have him one

470
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Speaker 1: two or I have Dean one, I have Lloyd two.

471
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Speaker 1: But I could see Lloyd going quicker in front of that,

472
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Speaker 1: and then maybe you get a conversation about that later on.

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Speaker 1: You agree with that assessment, Brian, those three players, Linderbaum,

474
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Speaker 1: Dean Green for me, so you go Dan over, Yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: why because I feel like there's some second round guards

476
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Speaker 1: that are capable players. And the thing about it is,

477
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Speaker 1: I think there's some capable second round linebackers too, some

478
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Speaker 1: guys that you could plug in and play. I mean,

479
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Speaker 1: we've mentioned Harris, we mentioned Clark. You know, those are

480
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Speaker 1: the types of guys that you're you're probably being a

481
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Speaker 1: looking at right there. But I you know me personally,

482
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Speaker 1: like I say, I think there's things with Green. You know,

483
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Speaker 1: to me, I still hold hope. I still hold hope

484
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Speaker 1: if I don't get my guard, that they'll come to

485
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: the realization that they need to move Lyle Collins. That's

486
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: my hope and that's my protection. And I don't have

487
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: a really good answer at linebacker right now for you.

488
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Speaker 1: I don't. That's why I have to go grab Dean. Sure,

489
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Speaker 1: And but the interesting thing about what we've just did

490
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Speaker 1: with that exercise. Two of the three guys at physical

491
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Speaker 1: limitations with like lack of size and height, but are

492
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Speaker 1: really really good football players. Yeah. So, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: probably why you're sitting there looking in and potentially at

494
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Speaker 1: twenty four, because if they were a little bit bigger,

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Speaker 1: a little bit more taller, if they were Lloyd's size

496
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Speaker 1: or height, then we probably wouldn't be talking about Dean

497
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Speaker 1: at twenty four. This is an open ended question from Drew.

498
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Speaker 1: You can take it whatever direction you want. Stop twenty

499
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Speaker 1: twenty two draft picks that you feel would get more

500
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Speaker 1: out of Micah Parsons. Oh, defensive tackles George Davis Jones

501
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Speaker 1: at Yukon Federian Mathis Alabama. I figured defensive tackles would

502
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Speaker 1: be the answer. Yeah. Is there is there another spot?

503
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Speaker 1: Is there another position? Yeah? That's because Parsons could go

504
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Speaker 1: rush the passer. That's that's what I would say. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you talk about the defensive tackles and stuff like that,

506
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Speaker 1: But where where Michael Parsons absolutely wreck your game? Is

507
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Speaker 1: this a pass rusher? You know? So to me, if

508
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Speaker 1: I if I knew that I had somebody that I

509
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Speaker 1: could put in his spot that could run and tackle

510
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Speaker 1: like he does. And while I put him down, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: say he doesn't get to the quarterback, but the ball

512
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Speaker 1: gets out and now I got na Kobe Dean running

513
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Speaker 1: at football to make a play. Absolutely, that's a that's

514
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Speaker 1: the that's the route you need to go. This defense

515
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Speaker 1: would be fun as hell if Michael Parsons and the

516
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Speaker 1: Kobe Dean and Jabril Cox all played for it. And

517
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, you got guys that can cover, and you

518
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: got guys that can run, and you got guys that finish. God,

519
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Speaker 1: nobody would get seven yards down the field now, just

520
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Speaker 1: be a straight wall across the way. I wouldn't I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't bet on it. Yeah, Kyle wants to know if

522
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Speaker 1: you were to draft Tyler, why did you just say

523
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Speaker 1: as I could have just asked here? Didn't even think

524
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Speaker 1: about that. I'm sad I'm not the host, Kyle not Yeoman's. Yeah,

525
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: why are you tweeting me? Bro? You got my phone number?

526
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Speaker 1: Kyle not Yeoman's wants to know if you were to

527
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Speaker 1: draft Tyler Linderbaum, what do you do with Tyler Beatis?

528
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Speaker 1: Could he play guard? Or do you just all of

529
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Speaker 1: a sudden have a very quality backup center. You have

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Speaker 1: a backup center there. Yeah, I don't. I don't answer,

531
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Speaker 1: is you don't care? Yeah, Like he's on the roster

532
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Speaker 1: and that's cool. Yeah, I'll be there for another two years.

533
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Speaker 1: You know, you're always figured out. The one thing that's

534
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: happened with this offensive line, and we all saw it

535
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: with our own eyes, that was a problem last year.

536
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: They didn't block well enough, they didn't protect well enough.

537
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Speaker 1: You know, whether that's them, the line coach, whoever. They

538
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: need to upgrade a couple of spots, and they might

539
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: be a little trouble at left tackle on age and health.

540
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Speaker 1: The right guard we talk about all pro and maybe

541
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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of slippage going on there north

542
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Speaker 1: of thirty. Yeah, and then you know with the right accle,

543
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there was some slippage going on

544
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: there as well. He didn't he missed a bunch of

545
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: games because he got suspended, you know. So yeah, I

546
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: mean the questions you have, you know, you should you

547
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: shouldn't be afraid to replace anybody over there. You know,

548
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: if you're looking at that thing and being honest with yourself,

549
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: you didn't run the ball, you didn't protect it affected

550
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: the way you moved the football, affected the way the

551
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: play caller called the game. You know, couldn't go to

552
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: some things he probably wanted to because he couldn't get

553
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: the you know, they couldn't run the football. So yeah,

554
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: don't worry about anybody's feelings on that offensive line. You

555
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: need to figure that thing out. And just from a

556
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: pure roster building standpoint in numbers game, look over the

557
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: last two seasons twenty twenty, you had Joe Looney and

558
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Speaker 1: Tyler Beiottish. This past year you had Tyler Biottish and

559
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: insert name here, it was either Connor Williams or Josh McGovern.

560
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern, I mean there was really nobody there, Yeah, Farniac,

561
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean you felt better about your center situation when

562
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Speaker 1: you had two guys there. So if you wanted to

563
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: keep Tyler Beottish around, replace him, but don't don't feel

564
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Speaker 1: like you have to deal him. Just have him there,

565
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: have him as a quality backup. We've already seen the

566
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Speaker 1: revolving door of an offensive line the last two years

567
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: as well, speaking to Brian's point, and having somebody there

568
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: that has that starting experience is going to be valuable

569
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Speaker 1: moving forward, especially if they're on a rookie deal, which

570
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Speaker 1: Tyler Beiottish will be for two more years. I say,

571
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Speaker 1: I say it all the time, but people are so

572
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: afraid of having depth because they feel like they're not

573
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Speaker 1: making the most of an opportunity. I would just I'll

574
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Speaker 1: take the depth, like ninety nine times out apecially upfront.

575
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Speaker 1: Dogs lead the way. We've talked about all of these players.

576
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Speaker 1: Awg Ordo just just the animal. Dogs lead the way.

577
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Speaker 1: Georgia guy, No, no, that makes sense here, Washington. I

578
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: think the Twitter abbey was actually a like a beagle.

579
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Speaker 1: I think he just likes dogs. Okay, um or she

580
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: or she we've talked about all these players, but he

581
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: or she wants us to sort them out. All safeties

582
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Speaker 1: Daxton Hill out of Michigan, chick On Brisker out of

583
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Speaker 1: Penn State, Lewis Seene out of Georgia, Jalen Petrie out

584
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Speaker 1: of Baylor, stack him for me, somebody, it was almost

585
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Speaker 1: in order. Mine would be Daxton Hill, as a guy

586
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Speaker 1: who is a borderline first round sort of player at Michigan,

587
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: he would be Well, I guess Petrie's not big either.

588
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he's the small one. Of this group.

589
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: But he's also the one that, holy cow, can he

590
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: fly and can play Nicol can play safety. Whatever Brisker is,

591
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: Jiquan Brisker at Penn State is a dude that I

592
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Speaker 1: really like while acknowledging, like I'm watching him and I'm like,

593
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Speaker 1: is he an elite athlete? No? Is he? Like whatever

594
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: you're looking for? Is the elite trade? I'm like no,

595
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: It's like, what's he bad at? No? So like, okay, okay,

596
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: that's a starting NFL safety. So I would go Daxton Hill,

597
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: then Jaquon Brisker, then Jalen Petrie, then Lewis Scene, the

598
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Speaker 1: Georgia's Safety, and I think all of them are picked

599
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Speaker 1: in the first sixty picks. He's absolutely right the order

600
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Speaker 1: he had absolutely right, nailed it. Oh what's up now?

601
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Speaker 1: Anybody want peace? Yeah? Damn, who, Kyle? You gonna argue

602
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: with that? I was. I was hoping we were gonna

603
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: have a fight. A question. I've got Hill, Brisker, Scene, Petree.

604
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: But they're all touching tags. It's literally two through five

605
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Speaker 1: for me. You think they all go top sixty. I

606
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: would think he's right about so maybe Brisker doesn't because

607
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: he's an old man, like I think he's twenty three

608
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: and he's a red shirt except twenty three by drafting. Okay,

609
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: except if you're Terrence Newman, who they told us was

610
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: too old and he played like twenty years. Good point, Brian.

611
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Speaker 1: I just so, have you watched more Hamilton yet? Do

612
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Speaker 1: you still hate him? Okay? Cool? I mean, well, you

613
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Speaker 1: just he's probably not. He's getting picked in the top ten, right,

614
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Speaker 1: So you have Kyle Hamilton as a likely top ten

615
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Speaker 1: and then these guys all start going somewhere between like

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Speaker 1: twenty five and forty. Yeah, I think so, and they're

617
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Speaker 1: all gone by sixty. I've said this a couple of

618
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Speaker 1: times in this show. I thought that that Dax Hill

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Speaker 1: was the Cowboys pick at twenty four. That's before I

620
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: really got into the draft. I mean I was. He

621
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Speaker 1: was one of the first safeties. Him and Hill were

622
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Speaker 1: the first two, and I kind of thought, Okay, this

623
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Speaker 1: guy fits the profile of what you want in a safety.

624
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: He can cover on the outside, he can blitz, you know,

625
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: he could play down in the box, he could play back.

626
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Speaker 1: I just thought a versatility. I thought of Dan Quinn.

627
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Speaker 1: You know, this is really kind of with not knowing

628
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: maybe thinking that dan Quinn was going to take the

629
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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos job. But I kind of felt like that,

630
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Speaker 1: if you know, if they got to carry over, if

631
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: there's some of the similar coaches, that maybe they would

632
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: use Dax Hill as that type of players. So, yeah,

633
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Speaker 1: I think where you're talking about right around twenty four

634
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: on back as when we're gonna start seeing these guys

635
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: come off the board. Do you think the fact that

636
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Jay wren Curson, at least he was on your station

637
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: earlier today talking about a potential return with dan Quinn

638
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: coming back, if he's back, does that affect anything at

639
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: all to I think that. To me, it's about players

640
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: and number money. This guy didn't make money. You know,

641
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: you can't sit there and say I'm gonna be loyal. Now.

642
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory will tell you that he's loyal to Jerry

643
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: and Stephen in the family for what they've done to him.

644
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: But how loyal are you? Twelve million dollars a year loyal?

645
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Thirteen million dollars a year loyal? How loyal? But if

646
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: someone offers him sixteen eighteen million dollars, yeah, you gotta

647
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: go do what you gotta do. So to say that

648
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: dan Quinn being here helps, sure, but these guys have

649
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: got to go out and make money that they don't have.

650
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: They have a very limited opportunity to do that. Jeron

651
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Curse has the potential to get a signing bonus this

652
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: spring that is larger than all of his career earnings

653
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: over the last like six years. What is his market

654
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: value like one point five or something like that? Not anymore?

655
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say I bet the two year,

656
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: ten million dollars deal the totality of his deal. Yeah, yeah,

657
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: five or three for fifteen I was I was thinking

658
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: something like three for fifteen, three for eighteen. I could

659
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, absolutely. I mean talk a sixth round

660
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: pick who signed a one million dollars deal last year.

661
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Like in the world of the NFL, he has not

662
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: made a ton of money. Yeah, but if you when

663
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: you study all the top fifty free agents and stuff

664
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: going places and stuff, he's not ever in that mix

665
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: the top five. Think he's probably he's played like a

666
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: guy that deserves to be paid because he had played

667
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: this year for the last three years, he would be

668
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: in everybody's top fifties. I just think the world doesn't

669
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: realize it because he's never been there like he was

670
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: never a starter, and I do have that year consistently

671
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: they talk about you for Pro Bowls and your market's huge.

672
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: I think he was probably an alternate for the Pro

673
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Bowl if I had to guess. So, Yeah, to your point, um,

674
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: I do think sometimes you overvalue the guys that you

675
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: watched all year and you're like, oh, like, he was amazing.

676
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: It's a tough position though. Yeah, he didn't play as

677
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: a true safety. He played really all over and the

678
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: fact that he created turnovers was tackling. Well, you know,

679
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: was really a leader out there. I mean, there's a

680
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of really positive things you can

681
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: talk about him, because I think coming out of Clemson,

682
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I know I didn't think all that. I didn't think

683
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: he could cover and be all that that he has.

684
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to apologize because the league

685
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: thought that too. He was a sixth round pick at

686
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Ye, Javier Brian, I made

687
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: sure you had watched him. Javier wants to know about

688
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: Leo Chanal, the Wisconsin linebacker. Yeah, this guy's a throwbacks

689
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: linebacker in the way he plays. He's six two, he's

690
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: two fifty two. We were talking about last week. The

691
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: guys that potentially could be that Mike linebacker. This guy's it.

692
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: He's a physical guy. He's a downhill player. He's always

693
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: attacking the line of scrimmage. He makes his share of

694
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: plays just right at or behind the line of scrimmage.

695
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: In the way he plays, he can finish when he

696
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: gets around the ball, he's gonna wrap up. He's gonna

697
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: make sure tackles most every single time. I love the

698
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: way he works through traffic. You know, he does things

699
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: usually to engage. It's usually quick to get rid of

700
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: the blocker and then get to the ball. The burst

701
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: is there. He's got the ability to get on the

702
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: quarterback quickly rushing from that linebacker position. So I don't

703
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: see much of coverage with this guy because I think

704
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: it's all underneath stuff. For him, it's kind of drops,

705
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: sit in a zone and then react that way. So

706
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: I felt like he was better when he could try

707
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: and attack the pocket. The effort, the motor all that's great.

708
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: So you know, if you like a player that's got instincts, awareness,

709
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: is super physical, and he's the type of guy. Again,

710
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: I kind of see him as a mic linebacker only

711
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: because I really don't know how much you can really

712
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: really play him in coverage. By the way, Chanelle Chanelle, Sorry,

713
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: I knew I didn't have that. Now I got you.

714
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: I'll get it. I'll get it. Remember that's my role.

715
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Jeff told me that. I think I think twenty years

716
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: ago he'd have been drafted a lot higher than he's

717
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted. Yeah, it's a different game. Yeah, big strong,

718
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: forward playing man, I will say, So he's got out.

719
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: So you you just described like a fourth round player.

720
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: I having the third third, Okay, yeah, I'll actually have

721
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Walker from Georgia Tyndale from Georgia ahead of him as

722
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: my inside linebacker. Guys just out of curiosity and we all,

723
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things you hear first when

724
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: you start talking about the draft is scout the player,

725
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: not the helmet. But is there a balance there where

726
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: you and obviously you're not going to draft Leo'shanelle in

727
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the first round, but you look at it and you say, Okay,

728
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: a Wisconsin linebacker. He's probably pretty smart and tenacious and

729
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: gets to the football, you know, like you just you

730
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: kind of that's their m and you're like, yeah, these

731
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: guys know how to produce like quality NFL linebackers, Like

732
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: is there something to be said for that? Or is

733
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: that dangerous? I think that you know, to me, when

734
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: there are certain positions and certain teams that you didn't want,

735
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: You never wanted to Penn State running back, there was

736
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: a time there where you didn't want a Mississippi State

737
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: defensive tackle anymore. Yeah, but ye, that's what I'm saying.

738
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes the narrative changes on these players. But I think

739
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: what happens with Wisconsin, and they've done a much better

740
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: job because their team's better. There was a time when

741
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: Wisconsin before Barry Alvarez wasn't great in football, and they

742
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: were always lucky to have one or two guys that

743
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: were really really good, that were tough and hard nose

744
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: and all that. That's kind of always been the mo

745
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: about their team. They just had better players. Now they've

746
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: they've gotten better as you know, as again through the

747
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Barry Alvarez era and stuff, they've they've found a way

748
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: to scout better guys. And I think when you watched

749
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: when you watch Wisconsin and you watch this kid play,

750
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: you appreciate how tough he is. But Jeff's right, he

751
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: probably goes higher, you know, ten twelve years ago because

752
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: of what he is. He's a mic linebacker. That's really

753
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: all he is. But if you want a tough one,

754
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: that's a good one to have. You can still make

755
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: a living doing that. Absolutely, ask Anthony Hitchins. Ye probably

756
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: better cover guy Anthony Hitchins. Yeah, I mean Anthony Hitchins

757
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: has had a long and productive career as a fourth

758
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: round pick. Clearly he's figured our guys. Chanel views the

759
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: forward pass as a trick play. Wait, what is happening?

760
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to meet up and smash

761
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: each other another. What would you do? From Christian? He

762
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: wants you to debate. I don't think your answer is

763
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: going to be be on this one. I think it's

764
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a because A is George karloftis and B

765
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: is Zion Johnson. Oh, I just think. I mean, we

766
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: went over this last weekend window dress. Your board and

767
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: my board would tell you that's Zion Johnson there, and

768
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: that's George Karloftas there, and that's a tie. Ladies and gentleman.

769
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: Literally even see, I think you tell me if I'm crazy.

770
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: I like Zion Johnson. I think more than a lot

771
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: of people do. I think that he is going to

772
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: be a step in starter at guard and I think

773
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: he's going to be really, really good forever. I just

774
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: don't get the impression, mainly because of the position that

775
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: he plays. I think Karloftis doesn't hang around that long. Well,

776
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing, here's the thing, mister Hellman, Okay, tell me.

777
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: Hutchinson goes before him, Thibodeau goes before him. Those are

778
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: top ten guys. Crayvon Walker goes in the top fifteen.

779
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Everybody's saying, Jermaine Johnson after the Senior Bowl, could he

780
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: go before Karloftis. Maybe David Ojabo. A lot of people

781
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: are telling me, will go before George Karloftus. There is

782
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: a chance that Karloftus is like the sixth or seventh

783
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: edge off the board fair that can't make twenty four.

784
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: Now it can, No, it definitely can. And like I'm not,

785
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm not like, oh, just forget about it. It's it

786
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen. I just I lean toward thinking he

787
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: won't be there. I don't know, Brian, what do you

788
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: think I kind of have? I would take Karloftis over

789
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I have ed Ingram over Scion Johnson.

790
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh on my guardboard. That's sexy, is what I do.

791
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: And I know people are gonna say it's an LSU deal,

792
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 1: It's really not. It's it's a it's a situation where

793
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous and I'm just looking at better football players, is

794
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. Jeff get out and they see.

795
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: That's the thing about it is that you know, absolutely

796
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: you got that, no problem. The I think the thing

797
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: I think the thing was on Johnson. I think people

798
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: were pumping air in him. I really do. I think there.

799
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. I think if you're

800
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: you're thinking about him coming in plug and play and

801
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: all that, I think he's going to struggle there. I

802
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: don't think there's any nasty, real nastiness to his game.

803
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest, biggest problem I have

804
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: with him is I don't see a great finisher with

805
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: this guy. I watch ed Ingram play and some of

806
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: these other guards. There's finished there. There's guys getting into

807
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: their blocks, second level blocks, you know, knocking guys on

808
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: the ground. You know, stuff like that, good pass set,

809
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: knee bend, power, strength, all those things. I just think

810
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: I think everybody has pumped a lot of Aaron Zion

811
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: Johnson myself. That's just and enjoy the Pro Bowls. If

812
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: your team takes Zion Johnson, be happy. He's going to

813
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: start at left guard for you. He's going to make

814
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl in his second or third year, and

815
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna be really happy. So you're gonna be thrilled.

816
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: I think Johnson's a good player. Did you did what? Okay?

817
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: So let me ask him a real quick question here.

818
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: So how close do you have him in Green? Green?

819
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: Is a real life first round kind of guy. Zion

820
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: I have in the one two cheater great area where

821
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: it's like pick him in the twenties. Okay, So you

822
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: have carlottas in the one two cheater great area too. Yeah,

823
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: I think I have a true first on Carlotta. I

824
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: haven't been the first round too. Sezily put him as

825
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: as the winner of that. I think it's a great

826
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: question because it goes back to what your needs are

827
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: at twenty four and if that, I mean, that was

828
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: what the scenario was, right, who would you take? I

829
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: mean there's a chance that you would want to lean

830
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: guard kind of like what we were saying earlier. If

831
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: something were to pop up that way. But I think

832
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Carloptus in that scenario is the much further advanced, more

833
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: lethal player. So I would take him ten times out

834
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: of ten. Add at Ingram and Zion Johnson to the

835
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: I just say you need to talk White. I just

836
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: say you need to take a look at at Ingram. Yeah,

837
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: I really really do, because to me, to me would

838
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: have a nice Senior Bowl. No, I mean, that's what

839
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. This guy, this guy is he you know,

840
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that, to me, I watch

841
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: a powerful guy. I watch a guy that plays with

842
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: technique as a good bass you know all that when

843
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: you watch. The biggest problem that Zion Johnson has is

844
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: when his head goes down. He's a terrible football player,

845
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: and that happens to him quite a bit. So to me,

846
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of I'm you know, when you can

847
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: talk about the Pro Bowls and all those things. Yeah,

848
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're gonna be right about that. I'm bet

849
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be wrong. What's a good bet. I'll

850
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: bet against at Ingram too, and I'll bet whatever you

851
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: want because if we all these players will win way

852
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: more than we lose. Yeah, I got one more that

853
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: I really like from Eric uh It's Cowboys Draft one

854
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: oh one that they have not really drafted small school

855
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: prospects in Will mcclay's tenure. I think Reggie Robinson out

856
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: of Tulsa and all the Boise guys are really the

857
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: closest that they've gotten. I guess Tristan Hill. Neither one

858
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: of those are really small school guys. You're still Outain

859
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: West Conference, right, thank you? So with that in mind,

860
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: is there a small school guy and if you want

861
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: to if you want to do group of five, that's fine,

862
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: but you can go FCS whatever you want. People are

863
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: talking about Pinning the tackle from Northern Iowa, first name

864
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: that comes to my mind. Yeah, I mean I would

865
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: draft that guy without hesitation. And Raymond from Ramon Raymond

866
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: from the kid the tackle from the European fella. Yeah,

867
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean Central Central Michigan. Yeah. Jalan Tilbert, wide receiver,

868
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: South Obama. Yeah. Nicholas Zachel Fordham offensive tackle as a

869
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: developmental prospect Fordham Foredom. See that, I start I start

870
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: to get scared when I hear Fordham. I don't know,

871
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: he's not like a first or second round guy. Sure,

872
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: he's a guy you could take later in the draft

873
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: didn't feel pretty good about, and they saw him at

874
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. So if it kind of goes back

875
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: to the conversation we had previewing the Senior Bowl, is

876
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: if they're going to take a small school guy, most

877
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: likely they've seen him up close and personal, either immobile

878
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: at the combine with a potential interview there or during

879
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: Dallas day of one of the visits. If they do it,

880
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: I would bet it would be a Senior Bowl play exactly.

881
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've mentioned him I have, I don't.

882
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: I doubt y'all have watched Dominique Robinson out of Miami, Ohio. Oh,

883
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: I did, I really. I was really impressed by what

884
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: he did in mobiles. That's like a guy that's sort

885
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: of like hanging around on the on the periphery of

886
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: my radar. He tore up my North Texas mean Green

887
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: in the bowl game. I saw it a close in person.

888
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: Tolbert's a good aim by the way for that wide

889
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: receivers spile Bam. Yeah, he seemed like he really turned

890
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: a lot of heads. Now he sure did. He's gonna

891
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know again, don't don't

892
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: pay attention to speed, pay attention to the plays he

893
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 1: makes down the field because he's gonna lack he's gonna

894
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: lack some speed. But the guy does separate, I mean's

895
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: and he catches every ball thrown this direction. So it's

896
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: a good name, all right. That does it for Twitter

897
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Speaker 1: spent the first segment of this show talking about how

941
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: weird and different the combine might be. But let's just

942
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: operate in a world where everyone's going to do all

943
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: of the fun stuff and give us football related things

944
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: to watch. I would love to just get a shortlist

945
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: from y'all about guys you're excited to see or guys

946
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: you're curious to see. You know, we talk about whether it's, oh,

947
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: this guy needs to have a great three cone, or

948
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: maybe he's not going to have such a great three cone,

949
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. I would just like to hear

950
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: some names that you're interested in seeing, assuming everybody works

951
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: out this week. I'm kind of interested in these cornerbacks

952
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: just because I think they're all pretty close. I think Gardner, Stingley,

953
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: McDuffie are all pretty close in the way they play.

954
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: You could throw McCrary in there, elam Booth. I mean,

955
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: this is a good list of cornerback acts. I'm interested

956
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: to see how they all interact with each other. I'm

957
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: interested in seeing the movement. I'm interested in seeing the

958
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: numbers that they get out of that stuff with the

959
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: shuttles and things that kind of tells me something. The

960
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: three cone stuff, the short shuttle things that you know,

961
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: those those are those are always very interesting to me.

962
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: But I do think it's a pretty close group. I

963
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: think that these um I think these edge rushers need

964
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: to separate themselves too. And what I have a feeling

965
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: that Jobo is probably going to work out the best,

966
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: but he's probably the rost of all the group. So

967
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: and Jeff has told me, because he's seeing Karloftis work

968
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: out with his own eyes or move around, that maybe

969
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: it's not going to be great. And I wonder if

970
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: the narrative coming out of India is going to be

971
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: this guy stiff and he can't do this, can't do that?

972
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Is there aj epanessa potential with Karloftus because remember I

973
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: mean around this time, I just bring him up because

974
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: he had a terrible combine. Yep, it's fair because of that.

975
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: And I don't think Karlofta is going to have a

976
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: great combine, but I think i'm tape. They're infinitely different.

977
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: Epinessa was what two eighty five super long, like that

978
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: was his game. Karloftas plays like he's a really good athlete. Yeah,

979
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: like he's just in there, just banging through. So if

980
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: he goes out and he tests poorly, it's gonna knock

981
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: him more so than maybe even in Epinessa. I guess it.

982
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: I guess in theory it could um. But he's just

983
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: one of those dudes that karl offts to me his

984
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: tape is too good to knock him out of the

985
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: first round. It's just it's too good. But we could

986
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: come out of the combine and people but oh, he's

987
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: a quote bad athlete. He's uh not long, he doesn't

988
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: have long arms. He's a bad athlete. Holy cow, we

989
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: can't pick that in the first round. I will, it's

990
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: about I will. Yeah, one of those situations where you're like, sure,

991
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: pushing please, sitting down the boar, see what's gonna happen too?

992
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: And it is with these defensive tackles. If Jordan Davis

993
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: ends up running like a four nine four or wrote

994
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: something like that, I've heard it's possible. See that's what

995
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and all of a sudden knocks. That's where

996
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: one day, you know, one day we're all gonna be

997
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: sitting there and we'll be doing a draft show and

998
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna get those numbers and the yeah, you ran

999
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: four nine four or four nine eight something like that,

1000
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go at that weight and it's gonna

1001
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: and it's gonna again. We're gonna just shoot a bunch

1002
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: of air or the people will shoot a bunch of

1003
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: air into well. Man, he's not gonna be there at

1004
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: twenty four. He's gonna and then we'll start the Vita

1005
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: Vea comparisons and all that stuff like that, and it's

1006
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: not the same player. So I think you have to

1007
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: be kind of mindful of really what these guys are.

1008
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity to study these guys, however

1009
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: you do it, hook or crook. You know, just take

1010
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: a look and kind of know when this guy plays,

1011
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: that's what he is. You know. If he runs really

1012
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: really well or he doesn't run really well, really well,

1013
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: don't kill them for that. Just trust your eyes on

1014
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: that tape that you saw a really really good football

1015
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: player or you didn't see a good football player at

1016
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: the combine. I'm interested in seeing the men from Michigan

1017
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: name Central Michigan. Well three of them from the univers

1018
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: the University of Wolverines. Hail to the victors. I played

1019
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: sky Moore again. Well yeah, always sky More. Yes, I'm

1020
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: more Skymore, ye sky Listen. If this team ended up

1021
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: with ed Ingram and Skymore would be and Clips would

1022
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: throw so many pizza parties. Okay, I got I got

1023
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: a tomahawk chop riding on this thing because he knows

1024
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: I paid a tomahawk chop before for stupidity. Bet I didn't.

1025
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: I didn't take this question for Twitter on the twenty,

1026
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: but somebody asked about Somebody asked who the pizza party

1027
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: player is? It's Skymore. Write that down. I already forgot

1028
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: what school we going to, Western Michigan, Western Mission one

1029
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: of the two seconds. Well, yeah, and set them in

1030
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: from Michigan. Then I started naming us Guy Moore's colleague.

1031
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: My memory has to be it's almost in real time.

1032
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: Things fade away in real time. Can I can I

1033
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: ask a question? Can you sort these wide receivers out

1034
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: at the combine or is it going to be a problem.

1035
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: Is Wilson gonna Is Wilson gonna solidify himself as the

1036
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: number one guy for the wide receiver crook? Could you

1037
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: want a bold prediction on that? I think if all

1038
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: the guys do all the things that it would be

1039
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: more likely Garrett Wilson has people raising eyebrows skeptically than going,

1040
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: oh really, I bet he runs in the four fives.

1041
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: He might. I don't think he's I don't think he's

1042
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: real life NFL wide receiver fast. I think he's good

1043
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: and explosive and accelerates. I knew I could can on

1044
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: you he's real life fast. Tell me if this is

1045
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: a hot take, like I Traylan Burks might out run

1046
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: Grett will he will? There's there's a couple of receivers

1047
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: that are going to outrun him. He sees one. I

1048
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: think sky Moore will outrun him. I think there's a

1049
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: ton of guys. You've seen Burkes in person, right? Is

1050
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: he two hundred and twenty five pounds? Um? He might

1051
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: be now when when you saw him first he was

1052
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: two forty one. It's none of your businessess, Listen, when

1053
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: seasons end and you go to show up for your training.

1054
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: But but you're showing up for your training. I mean

1055
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: you and I do radio every day about Luca. That

1056
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: was very delicately, said Jeffrey, very delicately. Yeah. I think

1057
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: he showed up to his training with some training to Okay,

1058
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: let me ask him that he'll go from running like

1059
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: a four to six to four the last month and

1060
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: this month receiver? Man, could Burkes come out of this

1061
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: thing being the number one receiver? I think for some people,

1062
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: because I think that he will Steve Samuel training, that's

1063
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: what they're talking about three two twenty five ish, and

1064
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: I think he can get into the four fours. Uh.

1065
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: And you like, I don't even know his comp Like

1066
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: it's something between Debo A. J. Brown and DK Metcalf.

1067
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: Something must think. I know something is crazy? You know

1068
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: you're good with that? Is it? Is it a hot take?

1069
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: If I think receiver is very very high on the

1070
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: list of positions where I basically don't care what you

1071
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: do at the combine, like I want to see, like

1072
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: if you're assue running like a four to nine, I

1073
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: don't care. Okay, within reason, Yeah, Like I care less

1074
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks myself at the even the throwing side of Yes,

1075
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: maybe I do. And I didn't say receiver was the

1076
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: only position I don't care about. I just do. I

1077
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: care least about her. I actually linebacker and running back

1078
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: fair because they don't have direct opponents in football, you

1079
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: so take those positions anyways. Well kind of. But also

1080
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver, is it relevant if you're faster

1081
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: or not than the guy who's literally standing right in

1082
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: front of you to cover you? Of course it is.

1083
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: For a running back, is it relevant if you're faster

1084
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: than pick a player on the defense? No, not at

1085
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: all in any way, shape or form. Because I don't

1086
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: have a direct opponent that I have to run past.

1087
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: I just think the tape should tell me everything I

1088
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: need to know about what a receiver can and can't do,

1089
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: Like can you get behind the cornerback? Can you get

1090
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: create separate quarterbacks in the same way? Yeah? Because to me,

1091
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. You're at the mercy of who you're throwing

1092
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: the ball too. If your last name starts with a B,

1093
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: then you're likely throwing with a B and C depending

1094
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: on who those receivers are. Sometimes, yeah, exactly. Sometimes you

1095
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: get a run of really good receivers you get to

1096
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: throw the balls too. And then other times you're throwing

1097
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: the balls to guys that you're like, why is this

1098
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: guy here? Why is this guy here? It's kind of

1099
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: a thing. So all of a sudden you don't look

1100
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: as good because the route's not as good. The balls there,

1101
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: you get a drop, and all of a sudden you're like, mad,

1102
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: he is that a drop because of the receivers? That

1103
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: a drop because of a bad throw? And by the way,

1104
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: the pro day at the at the school, that does

1105
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: nothing for me either. Wow. Just let me watch the

1106
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: tape of a quarterback. Let me watch every single throw,

1107
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: and I could tell you generally if the guy's going

1108
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: to be a good player. I wanted to follow up

1109
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: with you about what you said about the cornerbacks. The

1110
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: prevailing logic right now seems to be that it's Sauce

1111
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Gardener out of Cincinnati and Derek Stingley out of LSU.

1112
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: Don't forget our kids at Washington. Let me finish the

1113
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: damn point. So again, the prevailing logic is that there's

1114
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: like a line and then you go Trent mcduffey, I

1115
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a line. You answered my question

1116
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: for me, so yeah. I wanted to ask, do you

1117
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: think mcduffey has a real chance to kind of climb

1118
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: into that? Absolutely? Do Yeah. If you I mean, you

1119
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: sound like you think he's already there. I think he's

1120
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: already there. I mean, he's one of my If you

1121
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: talk about the three guys, to me, it's Gardner, Stingley, McDuffie.

1122
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: Those are my three guys. Wouldn't be surprised if McDuffie

1123
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: were picked for Stingley. I wouldn't be surprised at all,

1124
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: just because I think teams are gonna have enough questions.

1125
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: I think Stingley and McDuffie's tape is good enough and

1126
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: recent enough that you're like, hey, what do we think

1127
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: about picking one we trust more. I'm biased, obviously I'm biased,

1128
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: but I think Stingley's one of the more interesting prospects

1129
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: in the first round because I could see him going

1130
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: forth or twenty fourth, Like, neither one of those would

1131
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: shock me. I don't think he gets really past probably

1132
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: fourteen or so myself. There's that run where the you know,

1133
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: maybe the Eagles or somebody like that. They've got teams,

1134
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, they've got the multiple picks just to to

1135
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: talent of a player. Now, if you again, you you

1136
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: if you're worried about the non alpha male and you're

1137
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: worried about maybe a potential with the foot problems, you know,

1138
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: those are the types of things you're gonna have to

1139
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: deal with. Do you think he runs in Indie? He's

1140
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: not ready. He's only running straight ahead right now from

1141
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: what I heard, he's not ready to run. Yeah, he's

1142
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: not really ready to run. That's kind of a bummer.

1143
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: He ran a four to three in a high school

1144
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: combine and he'll run an l shoe and he'll go

1145
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: really fast. Yes, that's my fair. My man would have

1146
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: been top three. I think he would have been top

1147
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: five sure if he had been able to go pro

1148
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: after twenty nineteen. The other name, just by the way

1149
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: that we saw at the Senior Bowl that I think

1150
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: is going to run a really quick uh forty of

1151
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: going back to wide receivers, even though I know you

1152
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: said you don't care about wide receivers at the combine.

1153
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: But Calvin Austin, the third out of Memphis, little slot receiver,

1154
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: that dude's gonna fly in Indy. He may be the

1155
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: quickest out of the bunch or tiny guys Dale Robinson.

1156
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sky Moore will fly those that those could

1157
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: be the top three or four guys gonna fly. And

1158
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: that's my guy. You don't think so if he's gonna fly,

1159
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: and that's I think he's gonna fly. Are we setting

1160
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: ourselves up for four twos? Baby? No, sir, I'm setting

1161
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: myself up for forty times. Do not define football players.

1162
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Sky Moore's badass because he has lightning quick feet in

1163
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: his hell after the balls and his tapes really good.

1164
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I just just kind of think he's a

1165
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: slot player myself. Damn right he is. Where does Cooper

1166
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: Cup play? Is that a problem? Is that a problem?

1167
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: Not a problem? You want Cooper Cup to line up

1168
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: outside him? Asually? I know I don't hate Cooper. That

1169
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: was the one guy, that's one guy on this show

1170
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: that like Cooper Cup. My god, are you doing I'm

1171
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: not only guy I can't pick him too hot. I

1172
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: didn't say the Cooper Cup was a slot only guy

1173
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: is well, I didn't say that. You did what he is? Well,

1174
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: he plays outside too, Yeah, is he a slot only

1175
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: he's a backstack in the slot motion through the backfield. Yes,

1176
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: I think he could probably play out there if they

1177
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: wanted him. Let's see, he's just really good in the slot.

1178
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: It's just a good football player. No, I'm laugh I'm

1179
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: just laughing because I'm imagining Saturday of draft weekend. Whatever.

1180
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that not all the picks are finalized,

1181
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: but like whenever the Cowboys pick in the fourth round,

1182
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: like they won't pick sky More and then Jeff, you'd

1183
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: got bad news for you, bro the third round whatever,

1184
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: getting picked in the thirties. I just like watching Jeff

1185
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: get indignant when his pet cats slide. Damn right, it's

1186
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: a favorite was slide or Darius Washington last year? Hey listen,

1187
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: he couldn't help to use five sous five eight. I

1188
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: was at least fair about that when I was like, look,

1189
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: I love him. There's no chance he gets drafted on

1190
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: the first two days because he's dying. He didn't get

1191
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: drafted at all, Right, No, he didn't, but he made

1192
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: the fifty three. But he did. There's nothing worse than

1193
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: work in a draft for three days and they go, well,

1194
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: who's your best available? And you said the same guy

1195
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: for the last two and a half hours yesterday, steal

1196
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: him going ask Dane, He'll tell you. I'm not talking

1197
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: trash about sky More. I want to be clear about that.

1198
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: Where are you? No? I just called him a fourth

1199
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: rounder just now. I mean he did say that. What's

1200
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: what is I'm looking at him like what Dane, Dane,

1201
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: our buddy Dane Brugler had him like in the he

1202
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: had him in the top one hundred, right, yeah, but

1203
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: where he had him is wrong? Yeah, eighty five or

1204
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: so I had it pulled up. Um, I remembering that wrong?

1205
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: But he's wrong, just like Brian probably is going to

1206
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: say that he's wrong. He has ed Ingram eightieth and

1207
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: that's wrong. Right, No, what, no, it's not wrong? Than

1208
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: you can't no, no, no, no, no, no, don't check

1209
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: this out. Skymore is seventy nine, Okay, Ingram is eighty Okay,

1210
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: Dan Dane has missed at Ingram then, okay, that's what

1211
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: draft me. I'm sorry, that's wrong. I mean you would

1212
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: draft at Ingram And did you say you would draft

1213
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 1: him twenty fourth or second round? Okay? Yeah, top top fifty, okay,

1214
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: top fifty. So he said over Zion, jo, I don't

1215
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: have Zion. I don't have Johnson the first rounds, right,

1216
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: that's right, that's my thing, all right. I mean I

1217
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: could ask y'all for more names. Well, we've got another

1218
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: show to do Thursday, Ryan Tim, Oh god, that was

1219
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: actually pretty good. We do this show too early in

1220
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: the morning for me to be able to keep up

1221
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: with you some films. All right, we're done, we're signing

1222
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: off the show. We can talk more combine on Thursday.

1223
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: I hope this was as informative for you as it

1224
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: was entertaining for us. I don't know. Thanks for joining me, guys,

1225
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: this this was the draft show. That's Jeff. We'll talk

1226
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: to y'all next time. This has been a production of

1227
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,360
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