1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host Mark Kenyon. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, we are 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: kicking off a month of big buck breakdowns and I'm 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: joined by Tyler Utter to dive into the story and 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: the strategies he ultimately used to kill his biggest buck 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: to date. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: presented by First Light. And I think when you guys 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: are listening to this one, it will be the first 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: episode of three. So welcome to the new year. Mary, 12 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Belated Christmas, Happy New Year, all that good stuff, and 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: here we go. New season is upon us, and I 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: thought we'd kick off this year with a month long 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: series of stories, not just you know, let's tell the 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: story kind of thing, but actual breakdowns of special stories 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: of special bucks. This month, I talked to I think 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: four different folks who have had epic, years long hunts 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: for single specific bucks and really had a thoughtful, detailed 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: approach to how they tried to hunt these deer and 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: ultimately found success. That's the plan for this month, going 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: to try to really get into the nitty gritty and 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: learn some stuff from these people. And today we've got 24 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: a great example, a great way to kick that off. 25 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm joined by my buddy, Tyler Utter. He's an Ohio 26 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: hunter who have got to spend some time with and 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: he just capped off an epic six year story, a 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: six year adventure chasing a once in a lifetime Ohio 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: white tail nearly two buck. Just a gargantuan, dear, really 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: interesting experience that Tyler had studying this deer, following this deer, 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: trying to get them killed. Lots of ups and downs, 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: that the full roller coaster you could imagine. And that's 33 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: what we're covering today. Um, you're gonna hear everything from 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: trail camera strategies to some interesting approaches to just you know, 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: getting access in and kind of the perseverance or require 36 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: some times to be able to hunt where these deer live. Um, 37 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about dealing with the ups and downs 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: of of misses, of bad shots, of of everything you 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: could imagine. We've got that today. UM, So that's the play. 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm hoping you guys will enjoy this one with Tyler. 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: I know I did. And then we've got some other 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: really great stories coming up this month. This is going 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: to hopefully prime the pump for us to kick off 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: the new year as we dive into scouting and land prep, 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: conservation work, volunteering to help improve habitat and public land, 46 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: exploring new places, shooting our bows, shooting our guns, doing 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: everything we need to do to prepared for the next season, 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: which it's already time to start prepping for. I hope 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: you guys all had a really good um. I'm sure 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: I will do an episode here soon, kind of recapping 51 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: my past season, probably talk with Tony or some of 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: the other guys about the season. We just wrapped up 53 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: what we learned from it. But I can tell you 54 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: one thing out the gate is that my goal coming 55 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: into the deer season was to have fun, just to 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: get back to the fun of it all. And I 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: did it, guys. I somehow was able to keep the 58 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: stress out. I was able to focus on just hunting 59 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: my hunt, doing things for for my enjoyment and why 60 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: I got into deer hunt in the first place, getting 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: back to the love of it. And it worked. It 62 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: freaking worked. I had the most fun deer season I've 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: had in years. I got back to the basics, and oh, 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: by the way, it also led to some pretty decent 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: success too, So more to come on that. We'll definitely 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: talk about this, unpack that as we go into the 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: new year. Um, but hope for this is proof of 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: concept if we can all get back to just having fun, 69 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: not worrying about what people think on social media, not 70 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: worrying about what our neighbors think, not worrying about what 71 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: our friends think, not worrying about how big the deers 72 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: or how little the deers or whatever, but just enjoying 73 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: deer and deer hunting and wild places, enjoying these things, 74 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: caring about these things. Man, that's what's all about. So 75 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: keep that in mind this coming year as we build 76 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: into the three season, and without any further ado, then 77 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: let's get to our first big buck breakdown of the month. 78 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: We've got the story of this giant deer that Tyler 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: Utter was fortunate enough to wrap his tag on. Let's 80 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: get to it, and I'm gonna welcome Tyler to the 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: show all right now with me on the line, is 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Tyler Utter? Tyler welcome the show man? Hey, Mark, I 83 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: appreciate the invite, man, Yeah, I'm glad this worked out. 84 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: It's Uh, it's been cool getting to uh spend some 85 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: time with you after we kind of randomly bumped into 86 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: each other because we had some hunting properties close together, 87 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: and uh and since then, I've got to find a 88 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: kindred spirit in your my friend, you are just as 89 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: nuts as me, So I cheers to that. I agree, 90 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of nice, fine in the same type 91 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: of person, because sometimes you get looked at a little 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: nuts look out than that. Yeah that's the truth. But uh, 93 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, man, We've got a really good excuse to 94 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: talk some more tonight because this month, as you know, 95 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: on our podcast, we are doing a series of buck 96 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: profiles of stories the folks who have had just like 97 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: an incredible hunt for a specific buck um deep in 98 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: the weeds, losing sleep at night, all that kind of stuff. 99 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: And uh, I think that would that would be accurate 100 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: for your situation. Would you say that that's about right? Yeah, 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: that would fit it really good. Yeah, well, a sleepless night. 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: So tell me this. I want to I want to 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: go through the whole store, the whole long story, and 104 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully pick out a lot of details of 105 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: how you did what you did and why you did 106 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: what you did and all that kind of stuff. But 107 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: before we get into that, UM, tell me this just 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: what made this deer and this hunt so special for you? 109 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Like why did you lose sleep for for years? Why 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: were you so damn excited when you finally killed this tier? Um? 111 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: I think the biggest reason was just finding him kind 112 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: of the way. I did not really expect. You know, 113 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: you put cameras out and you kind of expect, you know, 114 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: a big deer to be in certain areas, and this 115 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: was just an area and never you know, it's kind 116 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: of like a last resort type of thing. One year 117 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: and that was the first year I got pictures of him. 118 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: It was real late season, and I think that was 119 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: exciting in itself. And then it was a really, like 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: I said, weird type of area that he was in, 121 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: and you just wouldn't look at it on a map 122 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: and go, hey, that deer lives there, Like there was 123 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: absolutely unless I missed something key, I mean, you just 124 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't think that. So it was exciting. And then his 125 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: potential was what really excited me. But it was hard 126 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: to uh to let the deer get to where he 127 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: needed to. But I think that was part of what 128 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: made it so rewarding and so exciting, Like I love 129 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: letting deer grow, Like I kind of get into that 130 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: perspective more than actually hunt him sometimes, you know what 131 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it ends up being you kind of 132 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: just like I just wanted maybe one more year here, 133 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: like fun to watch him, fun to see what what 134 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: they might turn into next. Yeah, And that's what made 135 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: this deer so special to me. It was just the 136 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: potential we had when I first saw him, and then 137 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: the way it kind of unfolded, and just the amount 138 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: of time and just history with him, and how hard 139 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: he was to really kill in this area because like 140 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I was saying, it's just not an area where you 141 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: would think he would be. And then it's just super 142 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: open a lot of cattle pasture and stuff. So it 143 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: was really difficult, uh even have opportunities at him at all. Yeah. So, 144 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: so paint me a picture for for people who haven't 145 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: seen a literal picture of this deer. I think for 146 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: the story to to really hit home, we gotta have 147 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: like something in our minds when we're imagining what this 148 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: deer looks like, what he is. How how old do 149 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: you think this deer was when you were hunting him 150 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: to the last year, so when he killed him, and 151 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: then describe what this deer looks like now that he's 152 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, in the back of your truck. Don't don't 153 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: tell me what he looks like now in the back 154 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: of your truck, because I'm pretty sure that's just a 155 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: skull cap. But tell me what he looked like this year. 156 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: It looked really good. Um. So he it's just a 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: mega typical dear like he just he never really had 158 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: much trash. I mean, had a couple of you know, 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: inside points in between times and stuff here and there, 160 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: and in a couple um kickers on his two on 161 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: the one side. But he's just a giant frame. It 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: was the twelve pointer in the beginning, ended up being 163 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: a ten pointer that was just as big as his 164 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: twelve point frame when I killed him. And m my 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: guess is, you know, I had six years of history 166 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: with the deer, So my guess is like nine years 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: old or so is where I really think he's at. 168 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: But um, he could be more. I mean, I know, 169 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: he's no less than that. Um. When I first started 170 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: getting pictures, you know, he was probably a hundred and 171 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: forty year and I mean that's a where I'm at. 172 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a three year old generally, you know, 173 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: he could have been four, but he had some character 174 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: even that year, so I mean he could have been four, 175 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: which would put him at ten. But I'm thinking, you know, 176 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: nine is where he's at. But that's kind of what 177 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: I always said since the first time I got a 178 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: picture of him, was that is that? Is that rare 179 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: in your area? For Buck to get that all? I mean, 180 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: it seems like crazy to me. But is that not 181 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: unheard of in your neck of the woods or is 182 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: it it's pretty unheard of. I don't know of too 183 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: many deer. Um, we got a lot of buddies that 184 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: hunt big deer, and I don't really know of anything. 185 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, eight nine years old is probably the oldest 186 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: I know of, and it's super rare. But it it's 187 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of like it just goes back to the area thing, 188 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: like if I would paint you a picture of that area, 189 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: like or show you on a map, you know it. 190 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: It's just it's super hard to hunt every angle you 191 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: come in on. He can see, like, it's just it's 192 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: super difficult. And I and I from my knowledge, like 193 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: I don't think many people knew about him at all, 194 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: even though he's been there that long. Like he didn't 195 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: show himself out in fields, you know, in bean fields, 196 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: Like it was a perfect protected area, like where you 197 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: couldn't see in but at the same time, you know, 198 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: hard to hunt because it was so open. But it 199 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: was just one of it was a perfect case scenario. 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I've had a lot of deer that you 201 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: know that are everybody knows about them if they get 202 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: that big. I mean, just there's a celebrity around town. 203 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, so this one somehow flew under the radar. Um. 204 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: But how did you I guess let's let's start with this. 205 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: How did you find out about him? So? What was 206 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: your introduction to this deer? Uh? Where to begin? So? 207 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I huh, A lot of area around this area, UM, 208 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: A lot of good farms where I grew up hunting. 209 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: You know, we've killed some of my first bucks up 210 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: until my biggest year. So the general area I know 211 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: is good. But this farm, um, it's actually a good 212 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: friend of my parents and I I don't know what 213 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: triggered it. One one year, I just I didn't really 214 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: have a shooter that I was like, you know, dead 215 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: set on a lot of deer wanted to grow and 216 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: I didn't really have anything to chase. And it was 217 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: late season. The deer I was after got um killed 218 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: by the neighbor. He he went like one he was 219 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: a giant but similar year. And then yeah, just when 220 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: he was gone, there was just nothing else. So I 221 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, ask for permission. And you know, 222 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: I know nobody really hunted over there or anything. And 223 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: like I said, it was all cow pasture. It's like 224 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty acres of just cattle pasture with 225 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of finger woods through it. And I 226 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: went to one of the finger woods, put a camera 227 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: out on the fence line and like that was you know, 228 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: splitting the property because of the cattle pins. And he 229 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: showed up, like the only deer that showed up a 230 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: couple of days in him and uh that was the 231 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: first picture, and I was like, wow, that's a good deer. 232 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: Like I didn't really I didn't know if he was 233 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: a homebody, you know, didn't know what would unfold after that. 234 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Like I never would have guessed this would have happened. 235 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: But so you get pictures of this like buck that 236 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: you think the three year old maybe it's so like 237 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: a I mean, in my eyes that'd be like a 238 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: great three year old, but in your eyes are kind 239 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: of like, all right, he's like he's a nice three 240 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: year old. Is that what you were thinking? And did 241 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: you have like high hopes already or he was this 242 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: kind of like all right, there was another decent buck. Uh, 243 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: I had high hopes. I was, you know, unsure, like 244 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: at first, you know, I kind of looked at Hiven. 245 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: He was ran down. You know, it was late season, 246 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: it was after the route, so he was really ragged 247 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: ran down. But so I couldn't really tell if it 248 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: was you know a lot of people can judge dear's 249 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: ages and you know, look at him one time and 250 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: see it. But he just was so ran down that 251 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if it was like an order buck 252 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: ran down or he was just actually that young, which 253 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: was kind of my first you know thoughts about it. 254 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: But he had some kickers like on the inside of 255 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: his beam, and he just had the genetics like that 256 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: you want to see, like he didn't have like a 257 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of kickers off his you know, 258 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: his brows or his bases or whatever. You know that 259 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: some dear get that, you know, are just gonna be 260 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: that every year he had him like in between his 261 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: times and had you know, a flyer on the one side. 262 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: It was just one of them do you look for 263 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: And I'm like, if this dear is really three, this 264 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: is gonna be something. But at that time, I didn't 265 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: know what the hopes were because I don't know if 266 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: he would stay around, Like I didn't know if that's 267 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: where that deer lived there. It was just like season 268 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 1: and I just got lucky, like I didn't have a 269 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: clue if i'd seen the next year. But I knew 270 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: right then he was special. But I didn't know, you know, 271 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: what my history was going to be, because you know, 272 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know the hunting pressure. I was still learning, 273 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm in that area. I kind of thought I 274 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: knew what I knew, but at the same time, you know, 275 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't know who was hunting the side there, or 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, the neighbors, who was they were allowing to hunt, 277 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: and how much pressure he really would get. And so 278 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: it just kind of the next year, it kind of 279 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: I realized, wow, like there's nobody around here, like this 280 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: could be a deer that I could let grow for 281 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: a few years and he could be a mega giant 282 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: and he ultimately worked out. It about killed me at times, 283 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: but so so walk me through from They're like when 284 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: you when you get a buck like this on camera 285 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: in place even hunt, and I think one thing you 286 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: do that a lot of people could learn from, and 287 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm wrong on this, But it 288 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: seems like you cast a really wide net. It seems 289 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: like you get permission on a bunch of different places, 290 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: like you've got X to a lot of different farms 291 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: in your general area, and it seems like you're just 292 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: like kind of keeping tabs on everything everywhere. And then 293 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: you're you're you're not dedicating yourself to any given farmer 294 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: area until you find like that one special deer and 295 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: then you know, you zoom and then but you've got 296 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: this really kind of far reaching gaze. You're looking all around, 297 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: looking all around, and you only focus when you find 298 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: that one. Is that right? That's you couldn't hit it 299 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: more on the head like that? Yeah, that's exactly kind 300 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: of my tactics, um, just because they're so hard to find, 301 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, the big mature deer that are going to 302 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: be something special where or something special and usually if 303 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: you do, you know how it is, like it's pretty competitive. 304 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: There's usually somebody that knows about anymolready. And you know, 305 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm from a small town to where I know a 306 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: lot of people, and you know, you're like, I don't 307 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: want to make that guy mad, Like I don't want 308 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: to go here and make this guy mad, like I 309 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: know he hunts every here. So the area that I 310 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: have and that i've been, you know, lucky enough two 311 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of really, you know, at least in such a 312 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: big thing now, But a lot of this area I've 313 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: just had permission since i've been a kid, Like my 314 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: dad always hunted there, and it's my dad's good friends 315 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: and they don't let anybody else hunt. Like I couldn't 316 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: explain how fortunate that is, especially nowadays, like it seems 317 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: to be everywhere you look it's a lease and there's 318 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that at all, but it's just kind 319 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: of the way it's went. So I've just been fortunate 320 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: to keep this ground without needing to do that really, 321 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: so cast the net in that area pretty wide. But yeah, 322 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: I find a deer and I try to focus on 323 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: that deer, like I don't really bounce around and you know, 324 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: but some years, like this year, that's the only reason 325 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: I found him is because the deer I was after 326 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: was gone and you know, it got killed. And when 327 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: that happens, it's like when you set your you know, 328 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: your goals for one deer, all of a sudden it's 329 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: over and you're like, all right, where do I go now? Now? Yeah, 330 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's difficult at times. But so yeah, so 331 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: this one, you see him in the let you get 332 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: pictures in the late season. He falls kind of in 333 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: the like interesting folder. Maybe in your brain you're like, hey, 334 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: this is when he keep tabs on what happens the 335 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: next year? And what do you do when you get 336 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: a buck? When you kind of get tabs on the 337 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: buck you see one or you get a picture of 338 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: one that's like interesting, but you're not gonna want to 339 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: shoot him right away? Like how does that impact your 340 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: strategy the following year? Do you do a bunch of 341 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: different kind of preparations given that you're hoping this deer 342 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: might blow up? Or are you still like all right, 343 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: I wanted to see what see what happens here? Um, 344 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: what does that look like? And then what did you 345 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: actually do? So yeah, I kinda like this, dear, I 346 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: keep alluding back to it because he was he was 347 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: on my radar, but I never knew what was going 348 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: to happen the following year. Like as far as when 349 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: I actually got pictures of him, I'm like, oh wow, 350 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: like he blew up. Um he went from that you 351 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: know frame too, mid one seventies. Yeah, he he exploded, 352 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: And uh that kind of changed a lot. I was 353 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: chasing another pretty good deer that year, and uh, I 354 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: knew that I as bad as it sounds, are as 355 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: good however you want to look at it. But like 356 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't. I knew I couldn't shoot him 357 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: because at that point, you know, he was healthy and 358 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, velvet pictures, and I knew I'm dealing with 359 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: a four year old, you know, five year old at 360 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: the most. Bounce back and forth with that. But I mean, 361 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: let's call it a four year old. But he exploded, 362 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this could be the next year like this, 363 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: I'll never probably have an opportunity to chase the deer 364 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: like this again. So that's kind of where my mind went. 365 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: I when I first saw him, I went in and 366 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: put some stands in obviously went and you know, put 367 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: cameras out and kind of tried to uh pinpoint or 368 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: just get pictures of him again, you know, from the 369 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: following year, just see what he did. And then when 370 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I did, I was like, okay, wow. It wasn't so 371 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: sure at first, you know that I wasn't gonna shoot 372 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: him just because he was a giant. And then I 373 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm not shooting him. People thought 374 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: I was crazy. I got a good buddy of hunt 375 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: with all the time, and he was like, you're I'm 376 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: gonna shoot that dear, like I gotta let him grow. 377 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: And he was daylight and a lot oh man on 378 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: this farm, and it was difficult. It was de a 379 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: call Um actually sat in the stand a couple of 380 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: times that year, like in the beginning first week of season, 381 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: and I got to lay my eyes on him and 382 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I was like, so when you 383 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: went out there, though, were you thinking in your head, 384 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: like were you still unsure? And you were sitting like, well, 385 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe not. We'll see how I feel. 386 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: A moment. Was that kind of thing pretty much, But 387 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean I knew I wasn't gonna shooting, but the 388 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: pressure from friends and family were kind of you know, 389 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: are you crazy? I don't, and and so a little 390 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: bit in my mind, you know, I'm still figuring out 391 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, who's around, what's around as far as hunters 392 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: or predator, you know, like something that's gonna take him out. 393 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, where's his dear? Go? Does he travel a 394 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: lot during you know? It's all or what if at 395 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: this point. So that to me was probably the biggest 396 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: like the reason that I even kind of thought about it, 397 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, you know, is he for you know, 398 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make him five or six in my 399 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: head like is he gonna be around? Like oh, what 400 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: if somebody and go back to the year before where 401 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: the neighbor killed that deer. I'm like kind of a 402 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: little bit bitter because I'm like, gosh, and I watched 403 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: that deer for three or four years and then that happens. Yeah, 404 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: so it's a hard decision to make. But I don't know. 405 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: I just I I knew I wasn't gonna shoot him, 406 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: but when I'm sitting in there and I saw him 407 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I mean just a giant 408 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't know it was it was easy, 409 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: but it wasn't easy. I guess if that makes any 410 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: sense at all. So you hunt, you obviously, you know 411 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: anyone listening hearing you say what you just said, Like 412 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: it's obvious it must well it should be obvious to 413 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: anybody that you hunt in a pretty good area where 414 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: you have opportunities a good deer um to be able 415 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: to see a booner and be like, you know, he 416 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: needs another year. So you're you're in a place that 417 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: these deer get a chance to get old and they've 418 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: got good genetics and so you know, like you said, 419 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: you're a fortunate guy to be in a zone like that. Um, 420 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: But but why like why why do you want to 421 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: see what happens? Like why was that a buck that 422 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: you saw? And you're like, you know what, I want 423 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: to I want to keep this story going. I want 424 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: to see what happens next, Like is it? Is it 425 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: simply curiosity and like manage it could be like a 426 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: once in lifetime deer or is it? I don't know? 427 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: Like what is that in your head? I think the 428 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: best way to explain it is, I mean, you can't 429 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: killer if you don't let them grow. I mean that's 430 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: always you know, everybody's chasing that two mark, and obviously 431 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: I'm chasing it too, and I just it's easy for 432 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: me to let dear grow like I almost you know, 433 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: like seeing like you're saying, the curiosity part gets me. 434 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: And then it's just the fact of putting a story together, 435 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: putting the history together, putting you know, all the ups 436 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: and downs, like anybody that's hunted and chase the deer. 437 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean you as well, do you you you understand it, 438 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: like for sure, it's a mental battle that is tough 439 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: more than it's good. Like, but when it's good, it's 440 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: so good, and you can't explain that to people like 441 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: if you've never done it. So I think that's probably 442 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: one of the bigger reasons that I enjoyed, is just 443 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, putting the history together and then given the 444 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: deer a chance to be, you know, at its full potential, 445 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: which a lot of times hasn't worked out. I've had 446 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: a lot of big deer. You know, something's happened, the 447 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: neighbors killed him to give by a car. Like it's 448 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: just and it's tough to swallow because you know, you 449 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: got all that history and time and you're exciting because 450 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: this is the year and then something happens, and but 451 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: it's still not worth the alternative, Like it's it's way 452 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: better than the alternative, which is shooting a young deer 453 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: that I think has big potential. Like like I was 454 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: saying earlier, I I think I enjoy letting them grow 455 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: subtimeous to see what they're gonna be. And I mean, 456 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: white tails are I don't know. I mean, if you 457 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: don't hunt them, you don't understand, but if you do, 458 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: you get it. Like there awesome creatures. I mean, they're 459 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: they're wild animals that shed bone every year, grow it 460 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: back and a lot of times just bigger. It's just 461 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of wild to see what they do. It's it 462 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: really is, well, you know, I think to your point, 463 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: like the thing that maybe I like the most about, 464 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, letting a deer go and and trying to, 465 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: you know, watch them over time is just the fact 466 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 1: that I don't know how you feel, but sometimes I 467 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: like to hunt more than the kill. Like I love 468 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: just like watching these deer learning these deer, studying these deer, 469 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: seeing what they do from year to year kind of 470 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: just like you get get to know them, and they're 471 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: just so fascinating. I just love that, like trying to 472 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: figure it out. Like there's like a puzzle in front 473 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: of me every year and you get to see, Okay, well, 474 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: what's this they're gonna do this year? What's he gonna 475 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: do this here? And you're slowly putting together this puzzle. 476 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: You're slowly getting a picture of what's happening in that 477 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: process itself is so much fun that sometimes I don't 478 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: want to end, and and so part of it's like, yeah, 479 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: so sometimes like man, I really want to see what, 480 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, how big it gets. But also sometimes it's 481 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: like I just want this to keep going because this 482 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: is just fun. Yeah it is. You couldn't. Yeah, I 483 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: mean you said everything right there, like what I'm trying 484 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: to explain. That's that's the perfect way to say it. 485 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is fun. It's so frustrating at times, 486 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: but it's so it's so much fun, and I don't 487 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: it's a hobby and it's it's I've never been more 488 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: passionate about something. And I hope that it never goes away. 489 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it will. But you know, you've heard 490 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: the stories. You know a lot of people that hunted 491 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: when they were younger and really kind of I don't know, 492 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: burnt ourselves out, you know, the older guys that are 493 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: like used to hunt a lot, but I don't anymore. 494 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: And you'll get that way too. I don't think that's me. 495 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's there. I hope so too for 496 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: me to um So, so, okay, you you get pictures 497 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: of him, he's a booner, he's a giant, but you realize, like, 498 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: all right, you know, I want to I want to 499 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: see where this thing goes. Still, um you hunt early 500 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: in the season, you see him, but you decide, okay, 501 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot him. So what do you 502 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: do with a buck like that where it's like a 503 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: giant but you're not going to shoot it? What was 504 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: your What did you do the rest of the year. 505 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: Did you have a plan to try to like still 506 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: keep trying to learn about him, or did you decide 507 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: to stay out completely to keep pressure super low? How 508 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: did you how do you do that? I quickly learned 509 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: that the neighboring property was where he lived, and that 510 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: was a little bit concerning to me because there was 511 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: somebody leashing that property. Um that I've found out, like 512 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: what I of my head set on a deer, you know, 513 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, and you quickly realized like, okay, 514 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: this deer doesn't live there, Like I really go into 515 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: some digging and we all do it, um, trying to 516 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: figure out you know, okay, well who does hunt over there? 517 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to step on any toes, 518 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: does anybody hunt over there? Trying to get my plans 519 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: together for next year, because after he sheded velvet, probably 520 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: two weeks. I mean he would show up time to time, 521 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: but like two weeks in the season. It went from 522 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, every every day or every couple of days 523 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: of pictures in daylight and pictures in general, to you know, 524 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: one a week, and then you know, a couple in 525 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: that month. And so I just quickly realized okay, and 526 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: it made a lot more sense on you know, looking 527 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: at it on the map and everything. That's where that 528 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: deer lives was the neighboring property. He summered where I 529 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: was in or where I was hunting, and then you know, 530 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: late season he came back. So I was fortunate enough 531 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: that's how I caught him the year before. Um, and 532 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: I know all this now, but at the time I'm 533 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: just kind of putting it together, like, all right, this 534 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: deer doesn't live here, I'm gonna have to make a 535 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: plan or figure out what I can do to get 536 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 1: that property. So I kind of started digging on it, 537 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: and I knew, um, one of the boys that his 538 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: grandpa owned the farm. Um, they did have somebody leasing it, 539 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: which is what I heard, but I confirmed it through them, 540 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: and you know, I was like, well, if something ever changes, 541 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, if they don't want to lease it next year, 542 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: or if they um give it up whatever, you know, 543 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: like in the future. I'm thinking even a couple of years. 544 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, I never thought what would have happened. But 545 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: so that whole year goes by, they were releasing the property, 546 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: and I kept my feelers out there, you know, hey, 547 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: let me know, let me know without on a bug him. 548 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: And lucky enough for me. I don't guess the people 549 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: knew that deer was there, you know, I don't some 550 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: people we'reun a lot of cameras. Some people hunt a lot, 551 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: and apparently these people didn't because they didn't they didn't 552 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: know that deer was there, or you know, maybe they 553 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to lease it again because of they don't 554 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: want to spend the money. I don't know what it was, 555 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: but they gave it up and I was fortunate enough 556 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: to be staying in there waiting on it, like, oh yeah, 557 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah, you know, like I kind of 558 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: one of them to name your prices. But I was 559 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: trying to play poker, you know, yeah, yeah, I don't 560 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: want to act too excited, but U So that was 561 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: the game changer. That was Um, that was really where 562 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: it changed for me as far as realizing, Okay, I 563 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: got a shot to kill this deer because I knew 564 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: just after that year he's gone for nine percent of 565 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: the season. He's back, you know, the last couple of 566 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: weeks this season, and obviously he sheds, and um, I 567 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to find a shed that year, um, 568 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: laying right out in the middle of the field, and 569 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, I was pure just luck that he 570 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: dropped on that side. But I couldn't find the other one. 571 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: And there's not much woods there to serve. So if 572 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: it's not on the field, it's just not there where 573 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm able to get it. So I did get the 574 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: lease and started preparing that kind of thinking what do 575 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: I do here? You know, I don't know anything about 576 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: the farm. I don't know anything about how the deer 577 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: moved through there. It kind of makes sense in my 578 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: head looking at it, But at the same time, you 579 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: know how that is, every time you think you gotta 580 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: figured out, they do something totally opposite. So I don't 581 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: know if you want to jump into any of that 582 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: or if you want me to keep going with the 583 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of the timeline. Yeah, well, we'll tell me. Tell 584 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: me what the trail camera strategy was as far as 585 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: like trying to figure some of that stuff out, and 586 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: and how how do you run I guess generally, how 587 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: do you run cameras to learn about these deer? And 588 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: then what did you have to specifically do on this 589 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: new property to figure out this? Dear? Okay, so the 590 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: property is kind of like it's it's a hundred fifty 591 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: acres also, and it's a lot of cattle pasture, and 592 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: that's a lot of finger woods. But there's one big 593 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: block of timber on it, and I say big block, 594 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: like thirty acres of its um, you know, really thick, nasty, 595 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: But that's the majority of the woods there, and then 596 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: everything that's kind of like fingers off of that, which 597 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: is there's three two main fingers and then kind of 598 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: like a little satellite finger or whatever you wanna call it. 599 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: But um so I started slow. I put some cameras 600 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: out natural trails through them fingers, and really didn't want 601 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: to go into that other area at all, um just 602 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: because I knew if he was gonna stay on the property, 603 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that was his core betting area. Like there 604 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: was no doubt in my mind on that. But I 605 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: was quickly proven wrong. Uh he this, So I put 606 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: some cameras out on these fingers and just natural corridor 607 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: type stuff, you know, no no bait or nothing at first, 608 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: and really, uh try to just learn what the deer do. 609 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: And I had the other property still, so you know, 610 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: we're fast forward to the next year, and I got 611 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: pictures of him on that other property where I was 612 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: originally getting pictures of the velvet pictures of him. Um 613 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: the past year, like had the camera on the same tree, 614 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: you know everything. Um he blew up again, like I 615 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: mean another um so, now he's a big six by 616 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: six and just a giant, like I mean it was 617 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: his frame is comparable now when I killed him, But 618 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 1: I mean it was when I got the first pictures. 619 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: I was like, this has gotta be fake. Like I 620 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: was just like, this isn't real, Like I actually have 621 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: a chance to kill this dear or you know, an 622 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: opportunity I landed the least, Like I was kind of nuts, 623 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: if you will, about trying to pin that lease down 624 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: and you know, good confirmation that I can hunt where 625 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: I thought this dear was living. Um. But I put 626 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: cameras out over there like I always did, and and 627 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: started getting velvet pictures of him. I'm like, wow, all right, 628 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: that's when I went into a different gear of I'm 629 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna try to kill this dear. So I had the 630 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: new lease, I was putting cameras on their fingers. Nothing, 631 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, didn't get any pictures of him. I'm like, 632 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: all right, I gotta move back a little bit, move 633 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: towards the other property that I was hunting, which they do, 634 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: but you know they're side by side. Um. So I 635 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: moved a little more towards that fence line, and still nothing. 636 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're into August at this point, probably, but 637 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: he's still up there on you know, the property had 638 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: the year before and as soon as he shed velvet, 639 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, two weeks in he slowly started moving into 640 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: this property. Like I mean when I say slowly, like 641 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: the closest you know camera I had to that property. 642 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: He started showing up on a little bit, but no 643 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: other cameras. Then he started showing up a little deeper 644 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: into the property, and then a little more and then 645 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: a little more, and then as the season came around, 646 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: I really started to figure out, Okay, this is where 647 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: he lives. Like I had a confirmation like all right, 648 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: this dear is here. Now I gotta figure out a 649 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: strategy on how to kill him because everything coming in 650 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: and out of the property, he can see me. Like 651 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: I just have that feeling like okay, he can see me. 652 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: So it was that was probably the biggest hurdle of 653 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: all of this, But I don't wanta dive too deep 654 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: into that. But so I started getting the pitch. You know, 655 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: I got them on scrapes at this point, you know, 656 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: they're really starting to hit scrapes, and I'm getting a 657 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of him, Like I'm excited, like I'm 658 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: thinking I might be able to kill this deer like 659 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: this year, like almost easier than I thought because he 660 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: was showing up all the time, but quick questions for 661 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: you for the with the cameras. How So you've got 662 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty acres that you get the lease, within 663 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty acres that you have permission on next 664 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: to it, how many cameras are you running in a 665 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: situation like that trying to figure this deer out? So 666 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: the the one I had before, I had two cameras 667 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: on it, and only because like I said, I mean 668 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: there might have been fifteen acres of woods, you know, 669 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: it was super small, and most of that was like 670 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: strong out, you know, fingers, so I kind of knew 671 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: what how the deer moved through there. So I only 672 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: had two over there. And then the new property, I 673 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: had three on it at first, um, because I was 674 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: just trying to really not press in anywhere that would 675 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: bump that deer or you're just trying to learn before 676 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: I just went cowboy on it. Um. So five total 677 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: on both of those pieces at first, but that changed 678 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: dramatically in the next few years. Alright, So so continue 679 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: on from the other. So UM kind of like I was, 680 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: I just I thought, all right, I got a chance here, 681 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: but you know, getting in and out was the access 682 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: was the problem. Um. Anytime I was there. He wasn't 683 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: We've all been there, um, but I ended up having 684 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: an opportunity like October, No, it was late November that year, um, 685 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: and this it's this property is like it's all broke 686 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: up to where when I say, like, I have a 687 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: camera on this finger, you know, it's two ft long 688 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: and you know, fifty yards wide, just to paint the picture. 689 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: And if I had it at one end on a scrape, nothing, 690 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, there's another scrape at the other end of it. 691 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: This is literally kind of what happened. And he would 692 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: show up there all the time. So like any like 693 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: little movements, micro movements was kind of how I was 694 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: getting a little bit of intel this year. Like if 695 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: I just kept it on that into that uh finger 696 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: you know on a scrape that was you know, blowed 697 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: out every time I was there, I wouldn't have him 698 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: on there. Like that kind of was a game changer 699 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: for me. It was kind of weird. So you then 700 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: see you he said he had an opportunity of him though, 701 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: so how did you how did you manage to get 702 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: the opportunity despite the fact that it seemed like every 703 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: time you went there otherwise he was not there. Because 704 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: you've got this like sneaky suspicion he's sometimes or someone 705 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: sees you. Yeah, so um, I started kind of really 706 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: only hunting one spot, which you know, I like to 707 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: bounce around a little bit on other properties. But this 708 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: year I was just, like I said, just trying to 709 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: figure him out, and it wasn't really going by in 710 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: my favor. So there was one camera he was kind 711 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: of alluding to more than anything, and it happened to 712 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: be the camera that I could, you know, the stand 713 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: set up that I could get to the easiest um, 714 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: like a little drainage whale went through the middle of 715 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: the property and I could walk it in, and then 716 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: it led me to a creek and I could walk 717 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: the creek up, and then from the creek it like 718 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: went up a little hill and then there was a 719 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: big field that was all you know hidden in the 720 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: back um which was beans that year and actually it 721 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: was yeah, it was corn that year, and he just 722 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: liked to be back there, I think, just to you know, 723 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: being secluded. But I still couldn't really figure out where 724 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: he was bedd and I had a couple of options 725 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: in my your head that I thought, but that was 726 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: just the biggest opportunity I felt like I had, and 727 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, I hunted it. I don't know how many times, 728 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: but not very few. A lot of my friends are 729 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: you know, why aren't you hunt? Why don't you hunt? 730 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: Whych hunt? If the scenario wasn't perfect, you know, I 731 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't hunt, like I'd rather not run a deer out, 732 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, then just be in the woods. To be 733 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: in the woods. I think a lot of that happens 734 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: because it's season. You know, everybody thinks they need to 735 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 1: be in the woods, and I don't know, I don't 736 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: have that. Whatever that ticket is or whatever that is, 737 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: I just don't have it. I feel like I need to, 738 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: especially this year, I needed to make sure that I 739 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: didn't bump him off the property and push you over 740 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: to you know, the neighbors that I was still you know, 741 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: trying to figure out. But anyways, I kept hunting that area. 742 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: In late late season when he got cold, Um, I 743 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: had corn out and I kind of tried to only 744 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: put it out in one spot after I kind of 745 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: figured out this is where he likes to be, so 746 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: I just broadcasted out through the cut corn and he 747 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: came in at like sixty yards or so. Um, it 748 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: was as close as he got that night, But it 749 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: was just I'm comfortable with that in a field scenario. 750 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with a sixty yard shot. But it was 751 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: just a little not the right scenario that makes it 752 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: like it was a little bit low light. It was 753 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: a little bit he was kind of you know, facing 754 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: me at times, like it just wasn't comfortable, and I couldn't. 755 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I drew on him. I'm like 756 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: setting my pen, you know, getting it on him and 757 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,959 Speaker 1: really barreling down on him and thinking this is gonna happen, 758 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: and I don't know, just something off in my head house, 759 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: I can't do it, Like it just wasn't the comfort 760 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: wasn't there. So little did I know that that would 761 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: have been the only time that year I would ever 762 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: have a chance. You know, there's still yeah, yeah, late December, 763 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: so there's still you know, a month, a month and 764 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: a half or so or whatever here a month in 765 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. So I'm still pretty optimistic. And 766 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: that was it for that year, I mean nothing, And 767 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: did he just just disappear off the property or was 768 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: it that he was there? But you just couldn't see 769 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: him person. Yeah, he was there, he stayed there. Um, 770 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: just never got him in person. Um. Little tidbit for 771 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: the future, like if like so, the first time I 772 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: ever got consistency of daylight with him, like in a 773 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: few days in a row, Um, we had dusting of 774 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: snow and then like another dusting behind it the next day. 775 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: And he showed up three days in a row and daylight. 776 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: And kind of put that in the back of my head, like, huh, 777 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, we all know that deer moved better than 778 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: but when you gotta do that's there all the time, 779 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: but not daylight, and it's you know, that's a that's 780 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: a time to be in there. Of course I'm in 781 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: a different stand when he did it, um, but I 782 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: kept that in the back of my head and in 783 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: the in the future years that that was kind of 784 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: his trademark as far as daylight, and it was kind 785 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: of wild snow snow a dusting is now the first dusting, 786 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: the first dusting or you know, snow at all. He 787 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: would show up in daylight. All right, So this is 788 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: year three right that we're describing here, and you you 789 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: have him at sixty not quite the right opportunity, but 790 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: he daylights a bunch with that snow you are now, 791 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: you know, to see the rest of the season goes by, 792 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 1: never get another chance at him. Year four, year five, 793 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: Year six is when you killed him. So you've got 794 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: two years in between now, between now and when you 795 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: kill him. Yeah, what what happens that next year? He's 796 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: got to be like number one? For sure? You're obsessed. 797 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: You're full blown crazy at this point, Is that right? Oh? Yeah, 798 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even like the year that we were just 799 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: talking about. I didn't sit anywhere else, didn't care about 800 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: anything else, Like I ran all the same cameras I 801 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: normally run, had some really good dear on you know, 802 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: some of those properties had some really good dear that 803 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: I you know, hindsight, but you don't wish I would 804 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: have Probably would have after versus you know the story. 805 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: I would never change it for anything with him. But 806 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: you know how it is when you focus on that 807 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: dear and you know you don't kill him, you're like, man, 808 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: I should have went after that dear. She did this 809 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: and because they were big mature dear too, they just 810 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: weren't him and they weren't that big and um back 811 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: to the you know, like you were saying, just the 812 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: kind of the chess match you have with them, and 813 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm not letting him beat me this year, 814 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: but they do over and over and uh so the net. Yeah, 815 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: that was the end of that year. But so the 816 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: next year I did, I did kind of the same thing. 817 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: I didn't really change much because this property, there wasn't 818 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: much I could change. What I needed to figure out 819 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: was where and what like he was doing in daylight 820 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: because he was there. The only time the deer would 821 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: disappear was during the rut. And this property is super weird. 822 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: So we're talking about, you know, three hundred acres. I 823 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: had the same three bucks every year, him being one 824 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: of them, and nothing else, like a couple of spikes 825 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: and you know, stuff you wouldn't even realize. You know, 826 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: what do you really look at on your camera? You know, 827 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: just some random deer. But as far as anything like 828 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: anything from a hundred you up, it was the same 829 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: three deer every year. It was one of them being him, 830 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: and but I didn't have a handful of those on 831 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: that property. It was just a weird. So that was 832 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: kind of weird for me, you know, I like trying 833 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, it's getting close to rut. I 834 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: know he's gonna disappear again, and he'd be gone for 835 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: like the whole month in November, and it would make 836 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: me nervous, so nervous because I wouldn't get a picture 837 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: at all. You know, we're going from pictures every night 838 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: on one or two cameras. You know, something's triggering every 839 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: night with him, to nothing, I mean, not a glimpse 840 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: and boom, like clockwork, he'd show back up the in 841 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: in November. And that kind of played a big role 842 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: on kind of how I handled it. But at the 843 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,919 Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm kind of in the lost 844 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: world for words, because it was it was so mind 845 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: boggling to me, like I couldn't figure anything out on 846 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: this year, Like I I go out there to glass 847 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, observation type stuff and Wooden's team, I wouldn't 848 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: get a glimpse of hing like this, dear. Out of 849 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: the six years that you know, I hunted him four years, yeah, 850 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: four years out of the six that I knew about him, 851 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: And until this year, I you know, I saw him 852 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: in person three times, four times at zero footage of him. 853 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: I'd go out there for velvet footage, zero footage of 854 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I putting all my 855 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: time in this year, and any other year I did that, 856 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,760 Speaker 1: I would have glimpses and I would have footage in velvet. 857 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,479 Speaker 1: Like it was just you know, really putting a story 858 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: together and putting some time in and it was paying off. 859 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: But this year, no, no, what's not happening. So I'm like, 860 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: do I even know what I'm doing? What do I 861 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: do here? Like I couldn't get anywhere? It was, it 862 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,919 Speaker 1: was wild. But um, that year that you were talking about, 863 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: so going on, what is that the fourth year? So 864 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: going on the fourth year, Um, I kind of did 865 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: the same thing I was saying, you know, I knew 866 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: where the scrapes are gonna be, and they were in 867 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: the same spot, and they ran in the same cameras, 868 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: and kind of just accepted the fact that late season, 869 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,800 Speaker 1: when he gets cold, cold, cold, I'm gonna you know, 870 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: that's my opportunity for this year. So once again we 871 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: got snow coming, Um, I gotta be in the stand, 872 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: Gotta be in the stand. He shows up, but he 873 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: stays out at like seventy yards and wouldn't come any closer, 874 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: just fed out in the field and just never did come, 875 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, through my pinch point where I was hunting 876 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 1: him and still in that same stand that I was 877 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: telling you. You know, it was the easiest way in 878 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: and out where I didn't feel like I was ever 879 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: bumping him or or affecting anything. So it was kind 880 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: of doing that. The wind, you know, the normal wind 881 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: was good there. Um, so just just safe. You know, 882 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta get aggressive, but I just was, I 883 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: don't know, scared to do that, so um, stay safe 884 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: and just kept doing the same things and the same stand, 885 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: same results. But first now shows up. UM stays out, 886 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, out of range, and there goes that night. 887 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: Next night, same thing, but he stayed out farther, like 888 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: on the other side of the field. So I feel 889 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 1: like I'm getting close. You know. About a week goes by, 890 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: UM and I get an opportunity. He comes all the 891 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: way across the field. I too watch him for like yards. 892 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: It was great trying to keep my stuff together. And 893 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of does in front of him, and 894 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: they're moving right where I need him to go, and 895 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: he's kind of kind of just following suit Like I'm 896 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: like man, this might happen. But I'll backtrack for a second. So, 897 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,439 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes before that, there's a kaya that comes 898 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: out and if I get a chance to kill a 899 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: guy and I'll kill it, isn't matter. And no deer 900 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: in the field. This guy trots by ten yards and 901 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: I draw, and as I'm shooting this guy, he turns 902 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: towards me. So it goes in behind his shoulder and 903 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: goes out like his you know, his butt, and it 904 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: cuts his tail plumb off. And yeah, so now I 905 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 1: got an arrow in a coyote tail land ten yards 906 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: in the field. And I'm like, uh, that was that 907 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: was different kind of yeah, I was. It was not ideal, 908 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm hunting on I really started to try 909 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: to hunt, you know, the edges of these sent zones, 910 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: you you know, really putting that was my riskiness, Like 911 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: was hunting what the wind was good for him and 912 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: he would come my direction, but I was, you know, 913 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: on the edge of the zones. Um. I'm sure you've 914 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: talked about it a lot with people that kill big deer. 915 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: That's something that I was kind of learning at that 916 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: time to really push in and try to do that 917 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,959 Speaker 1: because you know, a big deer wants to the wind 918 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: in his favor. Yeah, so he was getting like a 919 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: what like a kind of quartering across wind or something. Yeah, 920 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: you were just coming. Yeah, I was just cutting the 921 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: corner and really trying to just stay just stay on 922 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: the edge of that field to where my wind was 923 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: kind of casting down the edge of the woods to 924 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: where they'd have to come in the woods to pick 925 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: me off. But if they were in the field, I 926 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: was good. But it's still the wind that he needed 927 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: to come across that field, and I knew that's what 928 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 1: he did a lot. That's kind of what I was 929 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,840 Speaker 1: figuring out. Um, just being out there. I would seem 930 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 1: quite a bit like in this back corner when I 931 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,839 Speaker 1: was getting glimpses of him, and then he would come 932 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: across that field kind of the same way, but he 933 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: would never come, you know, far enough to me. So 934 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: it was a real risky wind. And I believe it 935 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,240 Speaker 1: or not. Then does come out and they get super 936 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,280 Speaker 1: alert and they're kind of stopping and they start blowing, 937 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what in the world that kyote tail? 938 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: It's all I can think about, Like, I'm thinking, I 939 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: know they're not smelling me, are they smelling that? They 940 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,399 Speaker 1: come all the way over across this field like four 941 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,359 Speaker 1: yards and they're walking and stopping and their tails up, 942 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: and I'm we all have the painting the rear endow 943 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: that she blows it everything like McCall the Karen, but like, 944 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: I mean, she would come out and the way would 945 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,240 Speaker 1: be dead in my face and she just started blowing 946 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 1: like so it's that dough. So I'm like, I don't 947 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: know what she's doing, but she's still come in my 948 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: direction with her phons and she gets over there and 949 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 1: she goes right to it, um my arrows, you know, 950 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: sticking with a luminoc glowing out of it, and there's 951 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 1: the tail lay in there. It's like it's full tail. 952 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,919 Speaker 1: You know. She's sniffing it and messing with the arrow 953 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 1: and she kind of comes like right to my ladder. 954 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: And at this point he's behind her, probably see eight yards. 955 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: So I'm really you know, dialing and getting focused, trying 956 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 1: to figure out what's what's his next move. And he 957 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: starts to do the same thing like kind of like 958 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,239 Speaker 1: but he freezes, but he's in the same you know, 959 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: he's he's smelling that tale is all I can ever think. 960 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but there was no way 961 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,280 Speaker 1: he was smelling me, and um, he kind of froze 962 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: and lights, you know, like right now, he's probably sixty 963 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: seventy yards to give you a picture, um, right in 964 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. And I'm like, all right, 965 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna come here, he's gonna come in. So I 966 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: draw when he starts to move, and he gets to 967 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: like sixty I don't know, fifty five and he's facing me, 968 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,239 Speaker 1: and I sit there for like three minutes at full draw, 969 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: like I don't know how long it was. It felt 970 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: like it was an hour. But I finally let down 971 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: and that dough is at my ladder and my arrow 972 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: slaps because I was just so fatigued it slaps, and 973 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: uh no, none of the deer moved. She It's like 974 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,840 Speaker 1: she didn't even hear it. And I'm like, what in 975 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: the world, Like I'm thinking she was gonna scatter, like 976 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: I thought I already messed it up, you know how 977 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: that happens, And uh nothing, nothing. So it just stayed 978 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: the same, like she's staying at my ladder. He standing 979 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,239 Speaker 1: out there, and I'm like, all right, when do I 980 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,080 Speaker 1: draw again? He goes to make another couple of steps 981 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: and I draw and he's still facing me. I'm like, 982 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,760 Speaker 1: come on, turn bro outside, come on, turn bro outside. 983 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't, and I'm like at another couple of minutes 984 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm filming this. So it was like a 985 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: three minute interval or something I can't remember exactly, but 986 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: he finally does make a move and everything felt right, 987 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: Everything was perfect. I didn't have a luminoc on this era, 988 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: so it was kind of hard to see, and it's 989 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: kind of a lower light situation, and I had my 990 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 1: camera adjusted that point because I was just focused on 991 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: killing him. But everything was on footage, you know, on film, 992 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: but you couldn't see, you know, where the arrow hit 993 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: or anything, and it, you know, is that empty, hollow 994 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: sound that you want to hear. Like everything felt perfect, um, 995 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: and he runs off and I gave my binoculars on him, 996 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,319 Speaker 1: and I can see blood pouring out of him because 997 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: he stopped at like eight yards in his heads hung 998 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: and kind of looked a little bit low. But I 999 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: still couldn't tell exactly what happened, and uh, I still 1000 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: felt good about it. You know, I didn't look too concerning, 1001 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't see it perfect. But you know, 1002 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: because he's walking away from actually blood pouring out of 1003 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,239 Speaker 1: both sides, he walks off. Um, I kind of watch 1004 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: him walk off and he's you know, super hurt head hung. 1005 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe I hate him in the guts. I 1006 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, really didn't know. It was distraught. First year 1007 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: I've ever really on you know, say it. I teared 1008 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,320 Speaker 1: up over and like, I mean just every emotion poured 1009 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,320 Speaker 1: out of me because I thought I finally, you know, 1010 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 1: it finally happened. And UM went and took a couple 1011 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: of hours, like three hours, and went back and it 1012 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: was a bunch of blood, really good blood every fit. 1013 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 1: So this is cattle fent, you know farm once again, 1014 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: and there's really good fence, UM all around it. So 1015 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,879 Speaker 1: there was one spot in the fence where it was down, 1016 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,160 Speaker 1: and he like went to the fence where it wasn't 1017 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: down and would not jump it, and walked up and 1018 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: crossed there and went into the big set of woods 1019 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: you know where I know they all bed and started 1020 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: in that and like instantly kind of turned left and 1021 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: went out of it, went back into the field and 1022 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: he went to like three fences and would not jump 1023 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,399 Speaker 1: any of them. Um, just like walked all the way 1024 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 1: down him and then boom, nothing blood disappeared. I had 1025 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: good blood the whole time. It just disappeared like it vanished. 1026 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: And I had coyotes slide up probably forty five minutes 1027 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 1: after I shot her. So so I'm thinking to maybe 1028 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: they ran him or something. I walked for like m 1029 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: probably seven days in a row, just getting permission on 1030 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: every property that neighbored it trying to find him because 1031 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 1: I just had this gut feeling that he was dead, 1032 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 1: and I had this gut feeling that the kyo bumped him. 1033 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,440 Speaker 1: And you know, who knows how far a deer can run. 1034 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: You hear different stories all the time where they're killed 1035 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 1: two miles away from where they were shot. But there, 1036 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to put every stitch of 1037 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 1: effort I could to try to find him in. Uh, 1038 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: that did not happen. I never even jumped him or 1039 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 1: saw him during that whole time. Um, so I'm like, 1040 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 1: you know, like back to that sleepless night thing, like 1041 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,319 Speaker 1: I didn't, I couldn't function, Like it shut me down. Um. 1042 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: Two weeks goes by, like two and a half weeks. 1043 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: He shows up on camera with no horns on? Uh, 1044 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: big wounded and I hit him low, perfect alignment, but 1045 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,239 Speaker 1: just low. I still don't know how I didn't. I 1046 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: don't know nicka hard or you know, hit that artery 1047 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: that runs down there, and still trying to put it 1048 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,920 Speaker 1: all together in my head. But at the same time, 1049 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, I realized, Okay, he's alive. That's good, but 1050 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,919 Speaker 1: he's got no horns on. Before before you go further, 1051 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 1: how did you handle just like after that wounding and 1052 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: you couldn't find him? Like, how did you handle those days? 1053 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: The couple of weeks after that? Did you? Were you 1054 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: where you're like, man, I'm done, I don't want to 1055 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: hunt anymore. Or were you kind of like all right, 1056 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: I gotta get back on the saddle, keep trying again, 1057 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: Like how did you how did you handle that? Like 1058 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: lowest of low moment, I'm not not very good Mark. Um, 1059 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:55,480 Speaker 1: I didn't handle it well at all. Um Uh, I don't. 1060 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: This dear is just completely consumed me. So I had 1061 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: no if, like I had no thoughts of wanting to 1062 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: go hunt anything else. Um. My goal was just finding 1063 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 1: him if he was dead, you know, confirming something. Because 1064 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 1: I had such good blood and I thought the shot 1065 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: was still good, and you know, I was still trying 1066 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: to figure that out in my head. And you know 1067 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: how it goes when you replay everything, everything changes a 1068 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: million times. And uh, I still couldn't convince myself that 1069 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 1: he wasn't dead. Like I just everything felt right. I didn't, 1070 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, nothing felt wrong other than the fact that 1071 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, the the blood just was boom gone. Um. 1072 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: So really I just went into survival mode of trying 1073 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: to like to do anything I could to find him. 1074 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: And like I said, I mean I asked everybody that 1075 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: was around for permission and walked and walked and walked 1076 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 1: and walked, and you know, never even like I was saying, 1077 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: never saw him, never found any anything else. It was 1078 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of wild. It's kind of one of the only 1079 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: times I've had that happened where you know, I had 1080 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 1: I still after all that had no had no confirmation 1081 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:13,439 Speaker 1: of anything. So I really went into Okay, I'll dump 1082 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of feed and just try to keep something 1083 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 1: here so if he is hurt and he's wounded and 1084 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: he comes back, I'll get a picture and I'll know. 1085 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,520 Speaker 1: And that's what happened. He did, and he stayed the 1086 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 1: rest of the year, and he stayed all through the winter, 1087 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 1: and man, he shriveled up to nothing, like he was 1088 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,240 Speaker 1: skinning bones. Like I felt so bad, Like I felt 1089 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: like I shot my dog, like I felt terrible. Um, 1090 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 1: So I fed all year. I never stopped feeding. I 1091 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,480 Speaker 1: kept a bunch of um protein type feed you know, 1092 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: out for him, just trying to really do anything I 1093 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 1: can do to help his nutrition and keep him alive. 1094 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: At that point, and I was thinking that, you know, 1095 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stop getting pictures of him and I'm 1096 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna find him. Um. But that didn't happen, so he 1097 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,160 Speaker 1: didn't make it. But jumping back real quick when he 1098 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 1: had when he came in and he didn't have the 1099 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 1: horns on, they were like bloody, bloody, like they looked 1100 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: like it just fell off. And it was actually my 1101 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: mom's birthday, so we were doing dinner for her that night, 1102 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: and we were all going to dinner and this he 1103 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: showed up like noon that day, and I was like, 1104 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I gotta run out and at least drive the fields. 1105 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of stuff is you know, was fields, 1106 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: So I'm like, at least cover the easy stuff, like 1107 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: real quick, just to see if I can find his sheds. 1108 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: Um drove all over that property, never did find him. 1109 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm in there maybe forty five minutes 1110 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,520 Speaker 1: an hour or something, and we pull out of there, 1111 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,680 Speaker 1: and as we're driving away on the main road, UM, 1112 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,240 Speaker 1: and my wife was with me, and I was like, 1113 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, I always feel like I'm gonna find sheds 1114 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,360 Speaker 1: right here, and we're just talking about and I'm like, 1115 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go slow and look down this fence 1116 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: line and I'm not. I know it happens, but I've 1117 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,200 Speaker 1: never been one to really find them when they jump 1118 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,440 Speaker 1: fences and stuff, so I don't really kind of ever 1119 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: focus on that. But um, my kind of sent driver 1120 01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: was slow and boom, they're laying thirty yards off the roof, 1121 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 1: side by side. Yeah that's crazy. Yeah, she got a video. 1122 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean she's like, if I wasn't with you, I 1123 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: would have never believed yet. I'm like, thanks, honey, but 1124 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: you got to see it. It was pretty It was 1125 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,520 Speaker 1: pretty wild. I couldn't It's kind of just another, you know, 1126 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: adding to the story. But yeah, it was it was 1127 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,520 Speaker 1: a sick it was he was sick like it was 1128 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 1: it was I felt. I can't reiterate that enough. I 1129 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: felt terrible, Like, honestly, I've never had a deer that 1130 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I've you know, wounded like that, where he shows back 1131 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,439 Speaker 1: up and you watch him digress, like you just watch 1132 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: him with away to nothing. And I was miserable, Like 1133 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: that was terrible, and there was nothing I could do. 1134 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,920 Speaker 1: You know, it was late season, so when he did 1135 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,640 Speaker 1: show back up, it was already season was over, and 1136 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, there was nothing to be done other than 1137 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: trying to keep him alive and put it, you know, 1138 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: nutrition out there for him to put weight back on. 1139 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 1: And I mean he was like skinning bones. It was terrible. So, yeah, 1140 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: that's brutal. What what was the uh the following year? 1141 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Did you go into that year with a different game 1142 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,280 Speaker 1: plan at all? Did you go in thinking, keep on 1143 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 1: trying the same things and hope he's alive and and 1144 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: then just keep on chipping away at her. What what 1145 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 1: was the next year plan? Um? Pretty much? But I 1146 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of committed this year to to be in a 1147 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 1: little more aggressive um at least, you know, in my head, 1148 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,919 Speaker 1: that was going to be my plan because the deer 1149 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,080 Speaker 1: did the same stuff, you know, really every year, but 1150 01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 1: he just was nocturnal. He just did in daylight much 1151 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: and we all they moved somewhere in daylight. You know, 1152 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,040 Speaker 1: they move a little bit in daylight here and there. 1153 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 1: You know, it happens. But I just could not figure 1154 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: him out, and uh so I started running cameras. I 1155 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,240 Speaker 1: kept cameras out in his core area. So I kind 1156 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 1: of kept track of him, you know, all through that winter. 1157 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: And as he started to grow the next year, you know, 1158 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 1: I never pulled cameras. I left him and he started growing, 1159 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 1: and his bases were a lot smaller. Like I'm thinking 1160 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna be you know, a hundred and fifty year 1161 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,160 Speaker 1: or something. I'm thinking, you know, he's gonna be it's 1162 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,600 Speaker 1: gonna be bad. Um. But I kind of committed committed 1163 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,920 Speaker 1: to you know, no matter what, I'm gonna know, whatever 1164 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,960 Speaker 1: he is, it's it's still him, and I'm gonna you know, 1165 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,560 Speaker 1: it's not about the score and stuff at that point, 1166 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, the history and the story that's kind 1167 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,120 Speaker 1: of unfolded. And uh I was gonna kill him if 1168 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I had the chance. And he actually grew, like his 1169 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,960 Speaker 1: bases were a lot smaller, but when he grew out, 1170 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: he grew a really goofy side on his right side, 1171 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 1: which was obviously from the wound. UM. And he had 1172 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,920 Speaker 1: like two big spikes and then like a third spike, 1173 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,440 Speaker 1: but it had like some little drop time points off 1174 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 1: of it, like completely nothing in any type of shape 1175 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,280 Speaker 1: that he was. You know, he's a big, clean, typical 1176 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,240 Speaker 1: um cigaret this really funky, kind of non typical side 1177 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 1: and then the left side stayed exactly like it always was. UM. 1178 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: So then I was kind of like, all right, this 1179 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 1: is you know, it's kind of cool. But he did 1180 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, and I kind of did 1181 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:40,720 Speaker 1: the same thing up until November when he disappeared. And 1182 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 1: I had some other knowledge of this big buck that 1183 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,640 Speaker 1: was close to where my mom lives and had found 1184 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,080 Speaker 1: some of the sheds of that deer, and a buddy 1185 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,840 Speaker 1: of mine found some sheds, and so I knew this 1186 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 1: deer was in the area, and I got permission um 1187 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 1: to hunt that like this fifty anchor piece kind of 1188 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,920 Speaker 1: at the same time. So I knew when he disappeared, 1189 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,320 Speaker 1: I was gonna go over and you know, just try 1190 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,240 Speaker 1: my luck with that for a little bit. This was 1191 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,040 Speaker 1: a big main frame eight with double drops, and I 1192 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 1: was like, you know, if it works out, it works out, 1193 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,440 Speaker 1: and maybe my dear will recover from you know what 1194 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: he is this year, and uh, I ended up getting 1195 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,920 Speaker 1: lucky enough to shoot that dear that I'm telling you 1196 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,800 Speaker 1: about last year. So, um, I got lucky enough and 1197 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,240 Speaker 1: shot him, and that was kind of the end of 1198 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: me hunting my buck at that point that year. And 1199 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,960 Speaker 1: of course, you know, I shoot my dear and like 1200 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,520 Speaker 1: three days later he like daylighted, like four days out 1201 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,520 Speaker 1: of out of a week. My dear shi like of 1202 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,840 Speaker 1: course she did, and uh so that was kind of 1203 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,720 Speaker 1: the end of that year. I looked all over for 1204 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,800 Speaker 1: the sheds, like I had him on camera, you know, 1205 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,080 Speaker 1: one side of the farm, and then he showed up 1206 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: on the other side of the farm, you know, sixteen 1207 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: hours later, and didn't have any any of the sheds. 1208 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,800 Speaker 1: And I looked all over and couldn't find That was 1209 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: the only year that I didn't find at least one 1210 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,960 Speaker 1: side of him was last year, and I never did 1211 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,120 Speaker 1: and never heard of the neighbors or anything find in him. 1212 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 1: So I don't really know what had happened with that. 1213 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:14,880 Speaker 1: But fast forward this year, and he was the biggest 1214 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: he ever was. I don't even need he went right 1215 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:26,960 Speaker 1: back to normal. Um, right the other. I mean, there's 1216 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 1: not even like a glimpse of the side he had. 1217 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, have you ever seen that happen? I mean, 1218 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, I've had one buck that I followed closely. 1219 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:41,560 Speaker 1: They got really wonky, um, but I've never seen it 1220 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,480 Speaker 1: go from like wonky to really normal again. But I 1221 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: I can get it, like, I can kind of see 1222 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,800 Speaker 1: how that might be the case. Um, like whatever happened 1223 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,400 Speaker 1: that year, they're able to heal back up and stuff 1224 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,920 Speaker 1: gets normal again and they're back to square one. I 1225 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,240 Speaker 1: don't know, they're crazy, Cris. Yeah, it's back to the 1226 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: interesting part of him, but like to totally recover. Honestly, 1227 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,480 Speaker 1: it kind of blew my mind. And you know, I'm 1228 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm I know he's going on you know, that nine 1229 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,160 Speaker 1: year old range this year, and I'm really, I'll be 1230 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,360 Speaker 1: honest with you, I didn't know what to expect, hadn't 1231 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: no clue of what what he was gonna be. But 1232 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,840 Speaker 1: when I first got started getting pictures and these pictures 1233 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,560 Speaker 1: that I'm telling you, I'm getting there in the same 1234 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,439 Speaker 1: spot where it all started, like every year, that's where 1235 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,520 Speaker 1: the velvet pictures were, you know, and then it moved. 1236 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 1: He moved through the property this, you know, over to 1237 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: the other property where I still have at least, and 1238 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: he did the same things. But the fact that he 1239 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: went back to normal blew my mind. And the fact 1240 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 1: that he was the biggest he'd ever been at nine 1241 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 1: years old. It was kind of O don't breath of 1242 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: fresh air. And I don't know, so you you kind 1243 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,640 Speaker 1: of came into the picture at this point. Uh so 1244 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: you know a little bit you know of the story 1245 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,440 Speaker 1: at you know, kind of when you you came out 1246 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,680 Speaker 1: and hunted and I'm telling you know, I'm seeing him 1247 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know, this year just felt different and ah, 1248 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't really know that I did anything different other 1249 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 1: than when I killed him, do you know what I mean? Like, well, 1250 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,680 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, we gotta we gotta rewind the 1251 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,200 Speaker 1: cloud just a little bit. So so coming to this year, 1252 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,840 Speaker 1: you get pictures of him in the summer, right, is 1253 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,600 Speaker 1: that right? Summer pictures, Yeah, summer pictures. Sorry, So you 1254 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,920 Speaker 1: see what he is. He's back to normal. He's of 1255 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,519 Speaker 1: course you're number one target and you're thinking, I guess 1256 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,920 Speaker 1: what do you know? Like at the beginning of this year, 1257 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,120 Speaker 1: if you were to sit down and tell me, like 1258 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,960 Speaker 1: all right, what are the key things I know about 1259 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,640 Speaker 1: this deer? And how do I think I'm gonna kill him? 1260 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,120 Speaker 1: What were those things like in my mind? Like, for example, 1261 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 1: I was after a buck this year in Michigan, and 1262 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,880 Speaker 1: from my three years of history with him, I kind 1263 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,680 Speaker 1: of knew, like, all right, I've ald in like where 1264 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,920 Speaker 1: his absolute core areas it's nearer the swamp, and I 1265 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,280 Speaker 1: know like I've got a window in October and then 1266 01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 1: a window in early December, and those like my best chances, 1267 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I think, based on what has happened in the previous years. 1268 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 1: And so I went into this year thinking, all right, 1269 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,960 Speaker 1: I've got like I'm going to take an early strike, 1270 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,960 Speaker 1: maybe late October strike if he's daylighting or anything like that, 1271 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna stay out in November unless he 1272 01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: surprises me because he's gone. And then this annual pattern 1273 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,240 Speaker 1: when that comes around, I'm I'm gonna hits. As soon 1274 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,000 Speaker 1: as the conditions are right, I think they'll be back. 1275 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,280 Speaker 1: And like that was my plan for that. Dear. Did 1276 01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,000 Speaker 1: you have like what were the things you thought you 1277 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: knew about this, dear, and what was your plan this 1278 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,760 Speaker 1: year based off that? So kind of exactly what you 1279 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 1: just explained. It's kind of weird, but it's kind of 1280 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,080 Speaker 1: how I attacked it. Um. I kind of knew where 1281 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: at this point. You know, I've kind of been hectic 1282 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,720 Speaker 1: and bouncing all around with the story, but you know, 1283 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: it's more of the excitement of just you know, it 1284 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,479 Speaker 1: finally happened and everything, but to kind of back, you 1285 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,240 Speaker 1: know up, I learned so much hunting this deer that 1286 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,160 Speaker 1: it really taught me a lot about hunting whitetail. But 1287 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,680 Speaker 1: he was a super super small core area. Dear, like, 1288 01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: his core area was tiny, and every year it got 1289 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,559 Speaker 1: smaller and smaller, and I started to learn that throughout 1290 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,000 Speaker 1: the years and kind of his little like you're saying, 1291 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,439 Speaker 1: like you're gonna take that early October, you know strike. Um, 1292 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I kind of attacked it the same way. I kind 1293 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,120 Speaker 1: of knew what he was gonna do or what areas 1294 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,639 Speaker 1: he was going to frequent the most on this farm. Um. 1295 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,599 Speaker 1: But it goes back to it. I don't I've never 1296 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,960 Speaker 1: been known as like an aggressive hunter. I'm usually the 1297 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,640 Speaker 1: one that plays it safe as far as you know. 1298 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to bump him and I want to 1299 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,120 Speaker 1: push him to the neighbor. And I think it just 1300 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:51,439 Speaker 1: comes from that happened, and you know, not necessarily bumping him, 1301 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 1: but just the neighbors killing him or you know, hit 1302 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: by a car or whatever. Like, I just didn't want 1303 01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,960 Speaker 1: to push this deer to the limits where I lost 1304 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,439 Speaker 1: him of of any magnitude, so I always played it safe. 1305 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,800 Speaker 1: But this year, I told myself, I'm gonna be little 1306 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,880 Speaker 1: more aggressive and kind of do things differently. But I'm 1307 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,400 Speaker 1: gonna do like go to what I know, and you 1308 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: you just said it perfect. I mean, I was gonna 1309 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: take an early strike where I knew he was gonna 1310 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:21,000 Speaker 1: be and he never He's never rutted on the floor 1311 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,400 Speaker 1: like I've never seen him right on the farm. I've 1312 01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 1: never seen him chase it though I've never seen and 1313 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,439 Speaker 1: I've hunted during all those times. And you know, once 1314 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,000 Speaker 1: he disappears, you know, I wait for him to show 1315 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,120 Speaker 1: back up and then I go back in. But this 1316 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 1: year was it was different from the start of the rut, 1317 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,800 Speaker 1: and I think that's really where my tactics change. And 1318 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,840 Speaker 1: I got aggressive because he was messing up like I've 1319 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,960 Speaker 1: never seen him mess up, like I've just never seen 1320 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 1: him do it. And I don't know what changed this year. 1321 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe them Does came in first and 1322 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: he just you know, bred everything on the you know 1323 01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 1: bread the three does. That's there. But I think that's 1324 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,840 Speaker 1: really where the game changed for me this year because 1325 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,080 Speaker 1: I would have done kind of took that early strike 1326 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,080 Speaker 1: like you're talking, and only because I felt comfortable of 1327 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 1: knowing what he does. But then when you know, he 1328 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,040 Speaker 1: kind of starts getting in that rut phase. You know, 1329 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,960 Speaker 1: he's just bouncing around everywhere, and I would hunt, but 1330 01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 1: I just really didn't. Yeah, I didn't really know where 1331 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,400 Speaker 1: to be and win to be there. You know, it 1332 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,680 Speaker 1: is a cat and mouse game of bouncing around, and 1333 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,640 Speaker 1: it seems like you always picked the wrong place. But 1334 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,760 Speaker 1: the core area I knew, and I knew what he did, 1335 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: and I knew when he was gonna do it. It 1336 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,479 Speaker 1: was just getting in there and being unseen on the 1337 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,240 Speaker 1: way and and you know, just setting it up for 1338 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,840 Speaker 1: an opportunity to see him and get a glimpse and 1339 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 1: see you know, hopefully walked you know past me that day. 1340 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:53,479 Speaker 1: But this year, when I got a picture of him, 1341 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: like so, I started running a lot of cell cams 1342 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,599 Speaker 1: and that was, to be honest, a game changer because 1343 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,800 Speaker 1: you're you know, you can you can kind of talk 1344 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: them back in them core areas and you don't have 1345 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,640 Speaker 1: to go check them, and you don't have and you 1346 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,960 Speaker 1: got live, you know, live footage of what he's doing 1347 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,720 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, and uh, you don't have to 1348 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,559 Speaker 1: put boots on the ground to go pull your card 1349 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,320 Speaker 1: and oh man, he was in here all week last week. 1350 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,519 Speaker 1: You know, it's just a it's just a different it's 1351 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,840 Speaker 1: a it's a game changer. But that I had like 1352 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 1: seven or eight cameras on this property this year, and 1353 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:31,240 Speaker 1: I really put them everywhere that I had learned from 1354 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,599 Speaker 1: the past years of what he does, and I really 1355 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: went to focus on two scrapes that I know he 1356 01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,360 Speaker 1: frequents and I know it's gonna be him if if 1357 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: that scrapes bloat out, and then all of this travel 1358 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,080 Speaker 1: like any areas that I thought he was like, I 1359 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,400 Speaker 1: know what, you know, knowing what he does, like I 1360 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,280 Speaker 1: really want to attack those areas with cameras just kind 1361 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,120 Speaker 1: of catches every move and it I got a picture 1362 01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,599 Speaker 1: of like noon one day and there was a doe 1363 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,360 Speaker 1: running past the camera. First it like triggered and then 1364 01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,280 Speaker 1: like he's in the background. Then it triggered again and 1365 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:17,680 Speaker 1: he be late October early November. Yeah, like her. Yeah, 1366 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 1: it was probably the first. Yeah, it was the first 1367 01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:25,679 Speaker 1: couple of days in November. Actually, you're surprised them, very 1368 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,720 Speaker 1: very because I'm like, it looks like he's rutting. It 1369 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,680 Speaker 1: looks like he's chasing a doe on this farm. What 1370 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: in the world. Like kind of really threw me off guard. 1371 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,120 Speaker 1: And it just so happened that that was right in 1372 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,960 Speaker 1: front of what I would call my safe spot, you know, 1373 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,160 Speaker 1: where I can walk in and I'm not worried, and 1374 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,080 Speaker 1: you know the stand location that I keep telling you 1375 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,720 Speaker 1: I was hunting all those years, like so it was 1376 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,960 Speaker 1: a perfect case scenario. And I go in that evening 1377 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:59,720 Speaker 1: and he showed up and he I knew what I 1378 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Well you always say like I'd say I knew, but 1379 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, I had an inkling of of where I 1380 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,240 Speaker 1: thought he went that day and bedded down, and I 1381 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,160 Speaker 1: was really comfortable that that's where he went. So I 1382 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,920 Speaker 1: kind of walked out of my realm of the way 1383 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,240 Speaker 1: I normally walked and kind of stayed away from that 1384 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,519 Speaker 1: because where I thought he was was probably a hundred 1385 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,599 Speaker 1: yards from my stand. And sure enough, he came out 1386 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,400 Speaker 1: of that little wood lot and uh ran the dough 1387 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,519 Speaker 1: right out in front of me about ninety yards hundred yards. UM, 1388 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 1: got some really cool footage of him, got some UM 1389 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,040 Speaker 1: it was just cool to see him. It was it 1390 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,439 Speaker 1: was awesome, but it was it was early. It was 1391 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,120 Speaker 1: like three thirty four o'clock, Like, it was cool, and 1392 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,320 Speaker 1: he was rutting, and he was on that door and 1393 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,600 Speaker 1: like he was tending her and would not let her 1394 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,800 Speaker 1: get away from him at all. So that being said, 1395 01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,519 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, here we go. Like I'm I'm 1396 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,000 Speaker 1: gonna being here every day all day if I have to, 1397 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm taking my chances. So I went back in the 1398 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: next morning, I saw him the same. So when he 1399 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,639 Speaker 1: came out of that little wood like he went straight 1400 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,240 Speaker 1: across the field, um in front of me, but then 1401 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,559 Speaker 1: kind of veered away and went into another spot where 1402 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 1: I know he beds. And that morning he came out 1403 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,040 Speaker 1: of that spot with that dough because like three little 1404 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,240 Speaker 1: bucks went in there and he ran one out and 1405 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,000 Speaker 1: was on the edge of the woods and then keep 1406 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,360 Speaker 1: like went in and got his dough and then came 1407 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,479 Speaker 1: across the field of about a hundred and fifty yards 1408 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,200 Speaker 1: um in front of me and kind of turned around. 1409 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 1: His dough went in the woods and he turned around 1410 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,280 Speaker 1: just stood there for like ten minutes, like waiting on 1411 01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,120 Speaker 1: them bucks to come out of that woods and the 1412 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,479 Speaker 1: like come on try. Like it was kind of wild, 1413 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Like he let his dog go and he turned around 1414 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,080 Speaker 1: and he was just stomping his feet constantly, like just 1415 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: standing there like you know, breathing are like he was 1416 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: ready for a fight. It was kind of cool just 1417 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:04,120 Speaker 1: getting to see him do buck stuff because I didn't. 1418 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,760 Speaker 1: I didn't get to see that, you know, all this 1419 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 1: time I'm hunting this deer. You know, I don't. I 1420 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:09,960 Speaker 1: didn't really get to see a whole lot of that. 1421 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,600 Speaker 1: So it was kind of I'm just taking it all in. 1422 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm filming it, and yeah, I know I'm not gonna 1423 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,080 Speaker 1: kill him, but I just I feel you know, that 1424 01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,200 Speaker 1: day I wasn't gonna kill him, but I knew, I 1425 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,640 Speaker 1: knew I was. It was different this year. I just 1426 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 1: had that, Okay, this is my chance. If you're gonna 1427 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 1: ever kill this deer, this is it. So I hunted 1428 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,120 Speaker 1: four days in a row, three of those days all day, 1429 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,720 Speaker 1: and uh, I maybe five days in a row, but 1430 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,400 Speaker 1: I saw him another like four times, um, and he 1431 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,559 Speaker 1: stayed at that The closest you ever got was eighty 1432 01:17:50,600 --> 01:18:06,080 Speaker 1: three yards. You talked about how you get in for 1433 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,920 Speaker 1: these afternoon sits, um, following this draw up to the 1434 01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,280 Speaker 1: creek and then to the back of the tree. But 1435 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,320 Speaker 1: what about morning hunts? How do you get in with 1436 01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 1: all the this field edge stuff. Are you worried about that? 1437 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,719 Speaker 1: And then how do you get out without ever spooking 1438 01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,080 Speaker 1: this deer? Like do you have some kind of secret 1439 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,679 Speaker 1: magic to keep this deer from knowing how you're getting 1440 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,280 Speaker 1: in and out? Or is that like incredibly stressful for you? 1441 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 1: How do you handle that? So it's incredibly stressful because 1442 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,439 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a morning hunter, um unless it's 1443 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,439 Speaker 1: you know this scenario. I don't really hunt mornings. So 1444 01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,160 Speaker 1: and that's kind of the reason I don't always you know, 1445 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,360 Speaker 1: feel like I'm bumping the deer. Um. You know, back 1446 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: to the cautious thing. But um, yeah, I was. It 1447 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,080 Speaker 1: was super stressful every time I went in. You know, 1448 01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm moving like a sloth and just trying to Luckily 1449 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,960 Speaker 1: this area I had walked it enough to where I've 1450 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,640 Speaker 1: kind of you know, had a clean path on the 1451 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,479 Speaker 1: way in and went in a couple of days early, 1452 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,960 Speaker 1: you know and kick kick my path out if you will. Um. 1453 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,120 Speaker 1: So I felt good as far as the sound, um, 1454 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,000 Speaker 1: but always worried about running into him or you know whatever, 1455 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, bumping his dough or whatever at that case, 1456 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, bumping any deer. But back to the you know, 1457 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,800 Speaker 1: this farm doesn't have a lot of deer, so that 1458 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,400 Speaker 1: was kind of the blessing in disguise that you know, 1459 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,679 Speaker 1: I really didn't realize until you know, a few years 1460 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:41,040 Speaker 1: into hunting this farm. But um, super stressful. Uh. Some 1461 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,479 Speaker 1: days I went in it like you know, I let 1462 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,360 Speaker 1: it get daylight a little bit. And that might sound 1463 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,720 Speaker 1: crazy to some people, but like I wanted to see 1464 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:54,640 Speaker 1: going in, so I didn't bump him like I was, 1465 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, glassing all the way in and just making 1466 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,600 Speaker 1: sure he wasn't already out in that field. And to me, 1467 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,679 Speaker 1: that was I was willing to take that chance versus 1468 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,360 Speaker 1: walking into the duck and you know, crossing paths with him. 1469 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 1: So I kind of did that. I think I did 1470 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,559 Speaker 1: that like two days out of that five. But um, 1471 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,720 Speaker 1: I I don't know, it was super stressful. I don't 1472 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,240 Speaker 1: like doing that at all. I don't know. I don't 1473 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:23,040 Speaker 1: know it was, but I knew where he was going, 1474 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 1: Like the times I did seem he was going in 1475 01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,160 Speaker 1: the big timber and so I really had you know, 1476 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,160 Speaker 1: unless he had come out of there with his dough 1477 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,720 Speaker 1: at that time, I just was real comfortable that he 1478 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,000 Speaker 1: was on that dough and he was not leaving her, 1479 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,200 Speaker 1: and unless she took him that way. You know, at 1480 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:43,200 Speaker 1: that point, that's a I guess a percentage factor you 1481 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,880 Speaker 1: kind of, I mean, that would be hard to do, 1482 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the cross paths at the 1483 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,599 Speaker 1: same time. So I don't know, I kind of approached 1484 01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,880 Speaker 1: it that way. I didn't trust me. My wife thinks 1485 01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm crazy sometimes and she's like, you just gotta get 1486 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,559 Speaker 1: in there and hunting. She's super into you know, she's 1487 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,880 Speaker 1: killed a lot of good deer and she's pretty smart 1488 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,720 Speaker 1: with it. And she's like, I think you ever think 1489 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,120 Speaker 1: it sometimes, which I do. But at that you know, 1490 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:11,160 Speaker 1: with this deer is just when you're not learning what 1491 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,439 Speaker 1: or seeing what you want to see with the time 1492 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,400 Speaker 1: you put in, it's hard to to to know your 1493 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:17,880 Speaker 1: next step, I guess. You know, it's hard to be 1494 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,080 Speaker 1: confident in anything, but in this case, you were so 1495 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,719 Speaker 1: you hunted that four or five days stretch in November 1496 01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,160 Speaker 1: and you were seeing him, but just never quite close enough. Yeah, 1497 01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,840 Speaker 1: he will walk in the middle of the fields and 1498 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,320 Speaker 1: stuff like he never walked down the edges of the 1499 01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, the woodline. He always stayed out in the 1500 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,960 Speaker 1: middle of the fields. And it was kind of wild, really, 1501 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,439 Speaker 1: like I've seen a few big deer do that, and 1502 01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't really Maybe you know why they do that, 1503 01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,639 Speaker 1: but no, I don't. Yeah, I don't either. I don't. 1504 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd be interested to hear somebody's take 1505 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,760 Speaker 1: on that. But did you did you at any point 1506 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,400 Speaker 1: think like I gotta do something different, like do something crazy, 1507 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,840 Speaker 1: like I don't know, set on the other side somewhere else, 1508 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: or put a decoy or do something or you like, 1509 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, if I just stick to the plan and 1510 01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:08,559 Speaker 1: be safe, he'll eventually make the mistake. So yeah, everything 1511 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,040 Speaker 1: did change during them five days. I did. Uh. I 1512 01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,920 Speaker 1: started saddle hunting last year and really did that all 1513 01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,000 Speaker 1: year until I killed my dear um last year. But 1514 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: I like the mobility of the saddle and I know 1515 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 1: you do a lot of saddle hunting, so kind of 1516 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,439 Speaker 1: put your take on it. But I like the mobility 1517 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,040 Speaker 1: of it and being able to kind of hunt different 1518 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: trees that you never looked at before. Um, getting in 1519 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,479 Speaker 1: different little areas that you just really never had that 1520 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to do because you know, hanging a stand and 1521 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,400 Speaker 1: that tree you wouldn't work. And I gotta cut forty 1522 01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,000 Speaker 1: len down if I'm gonna do, you know. It's just 1523 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,360 Speaker 1: it's a different perspective. And honestly, that was a game 1524 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:55,080 Speaker 1: changer because I kept seeing him do one thing more 1525 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,160 Speaker 1: than the other, which was crossed this corner of this 1526 01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,160 Speaker 1: field and kind of cut the edge of it and 1527 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,720 Speaker 1: go through that down fence that I talked about he 1528 01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:07,280 Speaker 1: walked through after I shot him that year, UM, and 1529 01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,320 Speaker 1: I really started to focus on that corner a little 1530 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,840 Speaker 1: more because it just seemed like that and I knew 1531 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,479 Speaker 1: he betted in this little section of woods that was 1532 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,120 Speaker 1: basically disconnected to the big set of woods. So there's 1533 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,400 Speaker 1: a little block, like fingersh type of woods where I 1534 01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,439 Speaker 1: know he betted, and then it was the big block. 1535 01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,160 Speaker 1: But that was like their little easy way to cross 1536 01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,120 Speaker 1: that and it was the same field that I was 1537 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,840 Speaker 1: always hunting. It was just the other side of it, 1538 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,240 Speaker 1: and so two things. I saw him doing that. And 1539 01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:42,160 Speaker 1: then I was hunting in that same stand that always hunt, 1540 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,800 Speaker 1: on that same side of the field that always hunt, 1541 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,120 Speaker 1: and I kind of see another field from that, you know, 1542 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,040 Speaker 1: through a bunch of trees and it's like probably four 1543 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,160 Speaker 1: or five yards away, and I was glassing it one 1544 01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,280 Speaker 1: night because I saw some deer running. And this is 1545 01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:03,840 Speaker 1: during that days that we're talking. Um, and I saw 1546 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,240 Speaker 1: some dear run and I kind i'm glassing, you know, 1547 01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm just barely picking out what they are their does 1548 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,160 Speaker 1: and it's early and uh I go back to where 1549 01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,000 Speaker 1: I saw the last dough run and I look and 1550 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,320 Speaker 1: there he's like standing in my you know, just boom, 1551 01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,439 Speaker 1: there he is. And I'm like oh, and then I 1552 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,320 Speaker 1: go into like all right, what do I do? So 1553 01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: I actually got out of the stand and was gonna 1554 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 1: try to make a stock on it because it was 1555 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,240 Speaker 1: like a perfect scenario. He was kind of up on 1556 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,439 Speaker 1: this hill and was there was a little crest and 1557 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,679 Speaker 1: the way I could come up it was just perfect. 1558 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,519 Speaker 1: And uh so I got down and tried to make 1559 01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:42,280 Speaker 1: a move and um, there was a dough like that. 1560 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,000 Speaker 1: I never saw it. I mean I didnt see he 1561 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,200 Speaker 1: until I got up on her, but like I got 1562 01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,040 Speaker 1: within like fifteen yards of her, and I looked up 1563 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,719 Speaker 1: because I was kind of looking over in the direction 1564 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,680 Speaker 1: where he was headed, thinking yeah, I'm gonna keep my 1565 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,400 Speaker 1: eyes on him and hopefully he doesn't drop over this 1566 01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:57,800 Speaker 1: hill before I get to where I need to be. 1567 01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,680 Speaker 1: And I look up and there's a dough and she 1568 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,920 Speaker 1: sa in the cup corn and never did see me. 1569 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,519 Speaker 1: So I just like laid on the ground and had 1570 01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,760 Speaker 1: to sit there. And thirty minutes go by, and I'm like, 1571 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 1: all right, now, I don't even know where he is, 1572 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,120 Speaker 1: and how many the choice to go back to the stand. 1573 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,320 Speaker 1: So I get up in the stand and I look 1574 01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:18,280 Speaker 1: at my trail cameras and he's standing on his hind 1575 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,040 Speaker 1: legs making a scrape. I think I showed you that picture. 1576 01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,200 Speaker 1: It was it was pretty cool as a while, but 1577 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:31,200 Speaker 1: it's awesome. Oh so he he does that. I'm like, okay, 1578 01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,679 Speaker 1: well good, I'm glad I didn't like press in because 1579 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,080 Speaker 1: where he went was kind of dead away from me, 1580 01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,479 Speaker 1: and it would have been I would have never caught 1581 01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:42,960 Speaker 1: up to him. Um. But he decides like ten minutes 1582 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,679 Speaker 1: later to come back across that scrape and he's headed 1583 01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,760 Speaker 1: back towards where I'm at where I was gonna be, 1584 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, trying to make that stop. And he's he's 1585 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,960 Speaker 1: got a dough in front of him and he's coming 1586 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,840 Speaker 1: towards me, but he's you know, five yards away at 1587 01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,600 Speaker 1: this point. And uh, this is kind of happened a 1588 01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,000 Speaker 1: couple of times, not this scenario exactly, but you know, 1589 01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 1: he's moving on the farm in daylight, and I'm over 1590 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,880 Speaker 1: in my stand over here, and you know, I bounced 1591 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,800 Speaker 1: out to this fingerstand where there's some scrapes, and then 1592 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,960 Speaker 1: he'd be over here, and so I'm thinking it's the 1593 01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,040 Speaker 1: same old you know, he's moving in daylight, but I'm 1594 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,080 Speaker 1: not gonna have it. You know, I'm not gonna see him. Well, 1595 01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,160 Speaker 1: he came through. He came all the way across the 1596 01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:22,960 Speaker 1: farm and came right in front of me with his 1597 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,559 Speaker 1: dought like forty yards but it was too dark, aucust 1598 01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,320 Speaker 1: he was you know, through the binoculars, I could see 1599 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,439 Speaker 1: him and uh, oh my god, Like this is this 1600 01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,880 Speaker 1: is rough, Like he's getting he's just showing himself enough, 1601 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,679 Speaker 1: and he's really putting the pressure on me and really 1602 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,519 Speaker 1: turn it up the heat as far as like I'm 1603 01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,120 Speaker 1: still just as far as I ever been, but I'm 1604 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,400 Speaker 1: as close as I've ever beenefit make you know, it's 1605 01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,320 Speaker 1: just it was tough. It was hard to swallow because 1606 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,240 Speaker 1: every night, you know, I'm seeing him, which go back 1607 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,880 Speaker 1: to you know, the last you know, three or four years, 1608 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,000 Speaker 1: like I didn't see him at all hardly. You know, 1609 01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I'd have a couple of sightings of the year, maybe 1610 01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,360 Speaker 1: one opportunity, and at that it was a subpar opportunity 1611 01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:08,240 Speaker 1: every time. So now I'm seeing him a lot, and 1612 01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm kind of in contact with you at this point 1613 01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,680 Speaker 1: and kind of play by play and feed me some 1614 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:18,800 Speaker 1: of it, and he just boom, done, disappeared. He did 1615 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,200 Speaker 1: his typical November thing, but he did it two weeks 1616 01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:26,200 Speaker 1: into November, and uh here I sat for two weeks 1617 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,960 Speaker 1: on my hands, just wait, not even show back up. 1618 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 1: And so the plan was, like, you're not going to 1619 01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,760 Speaker 1: go back in there and hunt until you get confirmation 1620 01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,360 Speaker 1: he's back. Is that like get the pressure load, don't 1621 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,439 Speaker 1: screw it up until I was there? Was that the plan? Now? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, 1622 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,400 Speaker 1: that was exactly the plan. Just because like you were 1623 01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,280 Speaker 1: talking about your deer, you know, you know, he's gone 1624 01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,160 Speaker 1: during November and there's kind of no reason to be there. 1625 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:53,080 Speaker 1: And I know that isn't always the truth, but you know, 1626 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I've had this. I got this deer 1627 01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,439 Speaker 1: figured out at this point to where I know where 1628 01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,840 Speaker 1: my opportunities are to kill him. And you know, when 1629 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,400 Speaker 1: he disappeared, I was like all right, and I hunted, 1630 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times right after that, thinking, 1631 01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,599 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's not disappeared, maybe he's just locked 1632 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,720 Speaker 1: down and he's not showing up on camera anywhere, and 1633 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,280 Speaker 1: he's not hitting the scrapes, and you know, I got 1634 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,400 Speaker 1: so many cameras on that property. I felt like that 1635 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,599 Speaker 1: I had everything covered as far as where he would 1636 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,880 Speaker 1: move and how he would move, and he wasn't showing up. 1637 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,759 Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm just gonna stay out until 1638 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:29,519 Speaker 1: he shows back up. So what happened next? So two 1639 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:36,920 Speaker 1: weeks go by and nothing, and um, my wife's family, 1640 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,639 Speaker 1: my brother in law, and my father in law come 1641 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,080 Speaker 1: into hunt for gun season and they get here, you know, 1642 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:47,439 Speaker 1: that Thursday before gun season actually Thanksgiving, and uh so 1643 01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm kind of gearing up for them, and you know, 1644 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,080 Speaker 1: my dear has been gone for you know, at this point, 1645 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,960 Speaker 1: like I said, two weeks and I'm just I'm getting 1646 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,320 Speaker 1: them ready and got some good bucks for them to 1647 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,640 Speaker 1: try to kill, and you know, kind of went in 1648 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:04,400 Speaker 1: that mode. And Saturday before gun season, boom, he shows 1649 01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:09,120 Speaker 1: up for like ten thirty in afternoon. And so when 1650 01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,120 Speaker 1: I went across the field and hung that, I don't 1651 01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,200 Speaker 1: know if I actually said that, but I went over 1652 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,400 Speaker 1: across the field in that corner where I kept seeing 1653 01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:21,560 Speaker 1: him throughout these days I was hunting and hung my 1654 01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,640 Speaker 1: saddle set up, and I left my saddle set up 1655 01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,519 Speaker 1: there and I only hunted it like one or two nights, 1656 01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,880 Speaker 1: and uh, the wind had to be totally opposite, you know, 1657 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,840 Speaker 1: it had to be a dead south wind um to 1658 01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,280 Speaker 1: work for this setup. So this year has been a 1659 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,200 Speaker 1: little weird with the winds. But I really couldn't just 1660 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:45,880 Speaker 1: go out there and hunting, and I didn't really want 1661 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,720 Speaker 1: to because it was a lot longer walk in, a 1662 01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,200 Speaker 1: lot a lot louder, And so I just hunted did 1663 01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:52,519 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I just felt like a 1664 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,640 Speaker 1: cow walking in like it was the most noisy thing 1665 01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,560 Speaker 1: in the world. So I didn't really hunt it a 1666 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,320 Speaker 1: whole lot, but I knew that I just had in 1667 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,000 Speaker 1: the back of my mind that was gonna be my scenario. 1668 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:06,280 Speaker 1: So I hung a camera on that fence crossing where 1669 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,280 Speaker 1: it was down, where the fence was laid down, and 1670 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,360 Speaker 1: I have a couple of cameras around that field, and 1671 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,080 Speaker 1: that was just a hot spot throughout this you know, 1672 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:18,960 Speaker 1: time that he was gone. There was a lot of deer, 1673 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, cutting that corner that I was talking about, 1674 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,519 Speaker 1: and uh, that's where he showed up at ten thirty 1675 01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:30,320 Speaker 1: on Saturday before gun season, and I had it set 1676 01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,000 Speaker 1: on video modes. I kind of watched where he went, 1677 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,720 Speaker 1: and he went in that little block of timber. I 1678 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,240 Speaker 1: was just telling you about where I know he beds 1679 01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,280 Speaker 1: and I knew it. Just something in me was like, 1680 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,200 Speaker 1: I was so confident he was betted over there. So 1681 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:43,840 Speaker 1: I was talking to a buddy on the phone. I'm like, 1682 01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,320 Speaker 1: I gotta go in. He's like, you want me to 1683 01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,640 Speaker 1: drop you off on a side by side. I'm like, well, 1684 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,080 Speaker 1: I've never done that. I don't know, you know, I've 1685 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,560 Speaker 1: heard stories of people doing that and I kind of 1686 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,559 Speaker 1: done it in a different area, but I've never done 1687 01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,920 Speaker 1: on this farm. And I was like, you know what, 1688 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,439 Speaker 1: let's try it. I'm like, because I us, I'm not 1689 01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,120 Speaker 1: comfortable walking in it's so loud, the leaves were just 1690 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,240 Speaker 1: unreal in this little area, and I couldn't walk any 1691 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,920 Speaker 1: different way. And I was still even nervous about him 1692 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,680 Speaker 1: seeing me there, so I was like, yeah, drive me 1693 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,240 Speaker 1: on the side by side. So I get up in 1694 01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:18,000 Speaker 1: the trees, set everything up, and he takes off. No dear, 1695 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,880 Speaker 1: nothing nothing. Night's getting to the point where I'm like, 1696 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,439 Speaker 1: all right, it's now or never. And I had a 1697 01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,559 Speaker 1: little four pointer walk under me, and I'm like, well, 1698 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,240 Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't walk that way because that they 1699 01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,320 Speaker 1: was just dead down winds. I'm like, I'm hoping that's 1700 01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,760 Speaker 1: not where he comes from. And there he kind of 1701 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,720 Speaker 1: goes out in the field and he just kind of 1702 01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,960 Speaker 1: grazing and he just picks us up and he's locked 1703 01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,439 Speaker 1: right where I thought my dear would come from. And 1704 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,400 Speaker 1: he's not lifting, and I'm like playing, I like looking 1705 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,760 Speaker 1: at him, looking over him like he's got it, like 1706 01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,920 Speaker 1: he knows there's something boom there. He shows up, comes 1707 01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,640 Speaker 1: out right where like if I'd drew it up, it 1708 01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,439 Speaker 1: couldn't have been any better. Um comes out right in 1709 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,360 Speaker 1: front of me. Uh made a bonehem mistake of he 1710 01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,960 Speaker 1: was just on a dead walk, like and it felt 1711 01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,800 Speaker 1: so close. I didn't need to range it. And I 1712 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,519 Speaker 1: had some I mean, I caught cornfield, but I had 1713 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,680 Speaker 1: some you know, grass strips and some stuff in the 1714 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,280 Speaker 1: cornfield that I felt confident in my yard. And you 1715 01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:20,960 Speaker 1: know it was markers that I had. You know, I 1716 01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,200 Speaker 1: shot them all and I kind of knew everything, and 1717 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:27,320 Speaker 1: but I hadn't hunted this stand very much. So that 1718 01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,320 Speaker 1: being said, you know how it is when he finally 1719 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,320 Speaker 1: does show up, everything kind of uh yeah, that's the 1720 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,479 Speaker 1: thirty five yard Yeah, yeah, that's it. I talked myself, right, 1721 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,280 Speaker 1: I didn't even thinking it was the thirty five yard 1722 01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:44,360 Speaker 1: one and it wasn't. Uh so full draw, turned a 1723 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,920 Speaker 1: camera on full draw perfect, like gosh, it was perfect, 1724 01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,479 Speaker 1: and uh my, I shoot a one pen and with 1725 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:57,680 Speaker 1: two dots um and the first thought was sent on 1726 01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,880 Speaker 1: thirty five and I left the other one on you know, 1727 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,000 Speaker 1: a second dot was at fifty. So I draw and 1728 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,720 Speaker 1: talk to myself, right, didn't thinking that's thirty five, and 1729 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,000 Speaker 1: I shoot and I don't know where they avery went. 1730 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't have a luminox on it, don't I'm kind 1731 01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,800 Speaker 1: of weird about them. Don't really know how I feel. 1732 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,439 Speaker 1: But so I didn't shoot Lumanox this year, and I 1733 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,720 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't see where my mara went at all. 1734 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Everything felt great, and he kind of ran out and 1735 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,439 Speaker 1: just stopped, and I'm thinking, all right, this is one 1736 01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,000 Speaker 1: of those movies or you know, like the shows, like 1737 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna have blood pouring out on the bottom of 1738 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,720 Speaker 1: He's just gonna fall over the field, because you know, 1739 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,840 Speaker 1: it smacked the corn when I shot to it kind 1740 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:39,320 Speaker 1: of sounded like what I wanted to hear, and it wasn't. 1741 01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:45,080 Speaker 1: And he's standing there like, doesn't look he's looking my direction, 1742 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,560 Speaker 1: never looks up at me, never even really looked my 1743 01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,760 Speaker 1: direction long. He didn't know what happened at all. And uh, 1744 01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,880 Speaker 1: he kind of does this big loop in the field 1745 01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,400 Speaker 1: and he's coming back to that fence crossing like he's 1746 01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,479 Speaker 1: wanting to go still where he was going. So I 1747 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,559 Speaker 1: was like, I had another air knock at this point, 1748 01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,000 Speaker 1: and I ranged you this time, and it was fifty 1749 01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:08,080 Speaker 1: two and my other pan was already on fifty. So 1750 01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:12,559 Speaker 1: I just drew and he's perfectly broadside and that little 1751 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,519 Speaker 1: four pointer like ran over and was like where I 1752 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:19,479 Speaker 1: shot at him. It was like kind of messing around 1753 01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,639 Speaker 1: and acting real funny, like with my arrow. I guess 1754 01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,800 Speaker 1: he was smelling my arrow. I wasn't real sure, but 1755 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know any of this at the time, but 1756 01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,040 Speaker 1: I knew my deer got super alert, like he kind 1757 01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,960 Speaker 1: of turned towards me. It was kind of quarter two, 1758 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,880 Speaker 1: and I knew if I could just get it behind 1759 01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:32,880 Speaker 1: that shoulder to be perfect, and I was confident in 1760 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,880 Speaker 1: my shot, and I shot, and I heard what I 1761 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,880 Speaker 1: wanted to hear, and you know, once again, you know, 1762 01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,160 Speaker 1: I thought I saw what I saw. You know, I 1763 01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,200 Speaker 1: thought it looked perfect. It looked right where I was aiming. 1764 01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,000 Speaker 1: But then you know your second guess and you're like, 1765 01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,000 Speaker 1: is that we're there? Actually? You know what I mean? 1766 01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,160 Speaker 1: Kind of way too well. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's 1767 01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,800 Speaker 1: a it's a weird thing. We all do. I don't. 1768 01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe some people don't do it, but 1769 01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,240 Speaker 1: I know I'm bad about it, and especially from you know, 1770 01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,120 Speaker 1: the two years ago when I shot him and thought 1771 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,080 Speaker 1: it was perfect, and now I'm just like, don't get 1772 01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,080 Speaker 1: your hopes up. You know, one of those deals and uh, 1773 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I could tell you it was hurt when he ran off, 1774 01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:11,120 Speaker 1: and he like ran off and he was kind of 1775 01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,120 Speaker 1: running out of steam and he went into the woods. 1776 01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,080 Speaker 1: And as he went into the woods, like I heard 1777 01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:20,120 Speaker 1: a crash, but I heard no aftermath, like no other 1778 01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,360 Speaker 1: sticks break, no other like pauling on the ground, you know, 1779 01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,519 Speaker 1: no kicking, no nothing. And I'm like, okay, did he 1780 01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,960 Speaker 1: just so now my mind's working on against me again. 1781 01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, did he just run into a spot that 1782 01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,519 Speaker 1: wasn't a trail and he just broke through some stuff, 1783 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, like went into a thick spot. So I 1784 01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:43,160 Speaker 1: backed out and went home and looked at the footage, 1785 01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,320 Speaker 1: and um, I had the camera panned out just enough 1786 01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:51,080 Speaker 1: that I got the second shot on camera and still 1787 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,479 Speaker 1: really couldn't pinpoint where it hit. Like it looked like 1788 01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,720 Speaker 1: it was going good and everything was good, but you know, 1789 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,400 Speaker 1: just I didn't want to push the deer. So I 1790 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,000 Speaker 1: waited a little bit, like probably of three hours overall, 1791 01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,719 Speaker 1: and went in there and uh went to the spot, 1792 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,320 Speaker 1: started instantly a bunch of blood and started falling the blood. 1793 01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, already went in right here, and my buddy 1794 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,840 Speaker 1: had already seen him at this point, but I didn't 1795 01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:21,439 Speaker 1: if he would have like he basically just face planet 1796 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,080 Speaker 1: in the woods, like he barely made it out of 1797 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,280 Speaker 1: the field and there was no kick marks, there was 1798 01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,160 Speaker 1: no like he must have just ko like right there, 1799 01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:32,240 Speaker 1: like he didn't you. There wasn't a leaf that looked 1800 01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:33,880 Speaker 1: like it was moved, like he just went in there 1801 01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,200 Speaker 1: and fell over. And if you'd have died like five 1802 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,880 Speaker 1: yards before that, I want to watch him die in 1803 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,840 Speaker 1: the field. But I had the worst fifteen minute drive 1804 01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:42,640 Speaker 1: that felt like two hours back to my house to 1805 01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:48,040 Speaker 1: watch the footage, to drive them back there and just stressing, oh, 1806 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,280 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't believe just because I got my hopes 1807 01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,280 Speaker 1: up the last time and two years ago and it 1808 01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,040 Speaker 1: didn't work out. So it was like you killed him, 1809 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,200 Speaker 1: You killed him? And I'm like, did I because don't 1810 01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,200 Speaker 1: see him yet? Like I don't I don't have him 1811 01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:08,439 Speaker 1: sitting here yet. So and man, the feeling when I 1812 01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:12,000 Speaker 1: walked up, Wow, I do you remde me cry three times? Times? 1813 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,360 Speaker 1: What what do you think when you look on it, 1814 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:21,840 Speaker 1: When you look back on that hunt, do you do 1815 01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,519 Speaker 1: you feel like if you had to say what it 1816 01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,800 Speaker 1: was that did it, if there's a key to your 1817 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,360 Speaker 1: success or if there was like a man, I did 1818 01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:33,040 Speaker 1: this thing really well and that finally got me here. 1819 01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:40,400 Speaker 1: What would you what would your point out? I would 1820 01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,920 Speaker 1: just say probably the persistence, you know, like just being 1821 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,240 Speaker 1: in there any chance I felt like it was good, 1822 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, and probably just retaining the information because I 1823 01:37:55,120 --> 01:38:00,200 Speaker 1: think that's what honestly ended up, you know, why it 1824 01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,240 Speaker 1: ended up working out. But I would say, you know 1825 01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:08,000 Speaker 1: that on top of just actually maybe getting a little 1826 01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,840 Speaker 1: bit aggressive this year, kind of changing because I don't 1827 01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,400 Speaker 1: really feel like I was changing a whole lot. So 1828 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, him being there and rut and giving me 1829 01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,519 Speaker 1: the confidence to kind of bounce around a little more 1830 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,000 Speaker 1: than I normally do. And then you know, having the 1831 01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,479 Speaker 1: camera where I've never had it, you know, putting it 1832 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,120 Speaker 1: at that crossing, because if I didn't have it at 1833 01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,000 Speaker 1: that crossing, I mean think about I would have never right, 1834 01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't. So just switching up my my 1835 01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,040 Speaker 1: locations a camera and then switching up obviously the location 1836 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,439 Speaker 1: where I was hunting, and just I don't know, just 1837 01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,560 Speaker 1: a perfect storm you know of getting dropped off on 1838 01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,479 Speaker 1: my side by side and I think that helped because 1839 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,680 Speaker 1: I didn't you know, walk in you know, even if 1840 01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,960 Speaker 1: he did see it. You know, he didn't. He didn't 1841 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,960 Speaker 1: bother him. You know, he he thought that. You know, 1842 01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,240 Speaker 1: the farmer drives around on tractors and side by side 1843 01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:56,920 Speaker 1: and stuff all the time. And you know, I kind 1844 01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,040 Speaker 1: of just think that was a you know, didn't bother him. 1845 01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,200 Speaker 1: It didn't make him un calmiable, and you to where 1846 01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:02,639 Speaker 1: if you would have saw me walking in, it would 1847 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,920 Speaker 1: have definitely made him uncomfortable. But um, I think just 1848 01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,880 Speaker 1: taking some risk really and then just staying staying uh, 1849 01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,439 Speaker 1: staying with the game plan as far as sticking with 1850 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,760 Speaker 1: that deer and not really you know, other than last year, 1851 01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,599 Speaker 1: I never straight I hunted that deer straight for pretty 1852 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,760 Speaker 1: much four years and never even gave another deer and 1853 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,439 Speaker 1: opportunity other than the deer I killed last year. And 1854 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,640 Speaker 1: I didn't really think that was very doable, if that 1855 01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,760 Speaker 1: makes sense. Just kind of thought, I'm gonna go sit 1856 01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,240 Speaker 1: in a different place and you know, maybe to work 1857 01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,639 Speaker 1: out where I killed this awesome gear. And it did. 1858 01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:42,720 Speaker 1: But I don't know, I'm kind of a kind of 1859 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,800 Speaker 1: nerd out like you do on the on the little 1860 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,439 Speaker 1: things and the details, and I might not have gave 1861 01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:50,680 Speaker 1: you much of that in this just because it's more 1862 01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,800 Speaker 1: about the fun part of it. But like you know, 1863 01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,760 Speaker 1: in the story of killing him, But there's so many 1864 01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:04,200 Speaker 1: little things you you do that are might seem monotonous 1865 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:10,280 Speaker 1: or might seem you know, dumbin other people. But this 1866 01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:16,559 Speaker 1: deer was like the like the poster child for small 1867 01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,320 Speaker 1: little changes, gave me so much more information. Like it 1868 01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,040 Speaker 1: almost didn't even feel like I was doing it. Didn't 1869 01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,240 Speaker 1: It didn't make sense. You know. I moved a camera 1870 01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,559 Speaker 1: forty yards and all of a sudden there's a bunch 1871 01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,080 Speaker 1: of day like pictures of him or something, you know 1872 01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,800 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just just weird little stuff that 1873 01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:37,120 Speaker 1: I didn't really ever run into with another deer. But 1874 01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,840 Speaker 1: it took me a long time to figure that out. 1875 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,240 Speaker 1: So you said that when you look back on this, 1876 01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,560 Speaker 1: this might be like I think you said this that 1877 01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,200 Speaker 1: this deer maybe taught you more than any other deer 1878 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:52,759 Speaker 1: or something like that. Um, what what were your biggest 1879 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,240 Speaker 1: lessons from this hunt and from this buck? What do 1880 01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:09,640 Speaker 1: you take away the I'd say, probably like if to me, 1881 01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,200 Speaker 1: like I I knew the deer was living there, But 1882 01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,760 Speaker 1: the biggest lesson I figured out was kind of back 1883 01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,640 Speaker 1: to strategy of walking in like The deer taught me 1884 01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,040 Speaker 1: to pay more attention to that than what most people 1885 01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:28,559 Speaker 1: ever do. Most people, you know, bump deer and they 1886 01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,320 Speaker 1: don't even know they're bumping the deer, you know what 1887 01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean. They there hunts over before they even get 1888 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,320 Speaker 1: to their tree stand. And I think that was a 1889 01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,880 Speaker 1: big lesson I learned because I was hunting some spots 1890 01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,519 Speaker 1: in the beginning that I just didn't really think about that. 1891 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,800 Speaker 1: And I know that's kind of something you know, maybe 1892 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,200 Speaker 1: some people think about it second nature or some people don't, 1893 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,640 Speaker 1: but you know, you get excited and he's shown up 1894 01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,240 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm gonna go this way to 1895 01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:57,840 Speaker 1: get there, and you don't really, you know, think about 1896 01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:00,080 Speaker 1: how you're ruining your hunt before you ever get there. Like, 1897 01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,800 Speaker 1: I think that deer taught me a lot about that, 1898 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:06,040 Speaker 1: a lot about hunting the edges of the you know, 1899 01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:09,639 Speaker 1: the wind, the zones that people talk about, and being 1900 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,560 Speaker 1: on that disaster zone to where it's good for the 1901 01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:16,120 Speaker 1: deer and you know, it's almost bad for you, you know, 1902 01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,240 Speaker 1: like and that could change. That's a fine line. I 1903 01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,840 Speaker 1: feel like it's hard to play. But I think that's 1904 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:29,560 Speaker 1: one big thing I did differently and Uh, just just 1905 01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,599 Speaker 1: staying persistent on it, Like I don't you know how 1906 01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,160 Speaker 1: it is. There's so many ups and downs, you feel 1907 01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,080 Speaker 1: like you're never gonna kill the deer, and then you 1908 01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:39,880 Speaker 1: can just boost the confidence you feel like you're going 1909 01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,960 Speaker 1: to And I don't know, this deer never gave me 1910 01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,479 Speaker 1: that boost of confidence until this year. So I think 1911 01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,280 Speaker 1: just keeping my head down and plugging along was probably 1912 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,120 Speaker 1: the biggest lesson that he taught me. Was just ups 1913 01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,479 Speaker 1: and downs of the miserable part of hunting, but also 1914 01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,280 Speaker 1: what makes it so sweet when you do kill him, Like, yeah, 1915 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,720 Speaker 1: the grinding part of it, Like this dear pushed me 1916 01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:09,400 Speaker 1: to the grinding my grinding limits completely, Like it's so 1917 01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,880 Speaker 1: hard to hunt a dear year after year and what's 1918 01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:17,840 Speaker 1: so little interaction with them. So so here's what I 1919 01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:21,439 Speaker 1: wonder next. And this is something I felt before this. 1920 01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,160 Speaker 1: This has been a six year hunt, and you talked 1921 01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:28,040 Speaker 1: about like the perseverance and just like sticking to it 1922 01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,840 Speaker 1: and the obsession and all those kinds of things that 1923 01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,400 Speaker 1: finally comes to an end. How does that? How does 1924 01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:38,400 Speaker 1: that feel? Was that was that bitter sweet? How do 1925 01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:43,240 Speaker 1: you feel now? Are you? Are you? Are you lost? 1926 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:49,200 Speaker 1: Do you know what'st lost. That's it. That's the word lost. Seriously, 1927 01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's it. I do feel lost. Like every 1928 01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,720 Speaker 1: time you know it's called you called it, like the 1929 01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,760 Speaker 1: session part of it, but like you're you'll get it, 1930 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,920 Speaker 1: but a people might not. It's got kind of sounds weird, 1931 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,680 Speaker 1: but like I don't even want to take my cameras now, 1932 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,599 Speaker 1: I don't even want to move the cameras from where 1933 01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,120 Speaker 1: I get pictures of him. And like every time I 1934 01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:12,439 Speaker 1: look at my phone and you know, or you know, 1935 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,400 Speaker 1: pull up the app and just look at the cameras 1936 01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,280 Speaker 1: and he's I know, he's never gonna show up again. 1937 01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,639 Speaker 1: It's it's weird, but it's like, oh, he's right here. 1938 01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:24,559 Speaker 1: But it's such a bitter, bitter sweet ending. It's so sweet, 1939 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,720 Speaker 1: but it's so I've never had a dear pour so 1940 01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:29,840 Speaker 1: many emotions out of me that you can't control. I 1941 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,880 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever experienced that, Like you get 1942 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,479 Speaker 1: shook up and like stuff happens, and you know, obviously 1943 01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,920 Speaker 1: the normal this deer like it just felt like the 1944 01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,320 Speaker 1: way of the world was lifted when it actually, you know, 1945 01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,200 Speaker 1: when I actually got to lay my hands on him, 1946 01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,320 Speaker 1: like and that's just because we're crazily obsessed with white 1947 01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:52,080 Speaker 1: tail hunting, and it's, uh, it's unlike anything else I've 1948 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,760 Speaker 1: ever experienced. But this deer really poured that out of me, 1949 01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,439 Speaker 1: like it was It was the most bitter sweet thing 1950 01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:01,479 Speaker 1: I've ever been through, almost wanting to be alive again 1951 01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,880 Speaker 1: just so I can go do it. But like I say, 1952 01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,679 Speaker 1: that is that that hunt sometimes is the very best 1953 01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:10,680 Speaker 1: thing that the constant chase, the questioning, the the wondering, 1954 01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,720 Speaker 1: the putting things together little by little by little, um Man, 1955 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,040 Speaker 1: that's a that's just so so much fun. So I 1956 01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,840 Speaker 1: gotta believe if I know you, or if you're at 1957 01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:27,160 Speaker 1: all like me, you must be like jumping too, all right? 1958 01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,519 Speaker 1: Who who's the next buck? Who's the next guy gonna 1959 01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,519 Speaker 1: start like thinking this through? And have you already started 1960 01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:35,280 Speaker 1: like plotting out who might be the next one he 1961 01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,519 Speaker 1: could start the next six year journey with. Do you 1962 01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,920 Speaker 1: have an eyeball on someone who you're thinking, man, that 1963 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,960 Speaker 1: could be the next one? I got a couple, But 1964 01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question, where do you Where 1965 01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:51,400 Speaker 1: do you go from here? It's not like in a 1966 01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, arrogant way of saying that at all, Like 1967 01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,960 Speaker 1: it's just kind of I never really you know, he 1968 01:45:56,040 --> 01:46:02,080 Speaker 1: went a hudes, like I just can't even wrap my 1969 01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:07,120 Speaker 1: head around it still that you know, where do you? 1970 01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:10,320 Speaker 1: Where do you? What do you do? You just you know, 1971 01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:12,000 Speaker 1: I know some people that go and you know, it's 1972 01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,760 Speaker 1: the next big mature deyear and it's like, you know, 1973 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,680 Speaker 1: it's not all about score, but there's a little bit 1974 01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,000 Speaker 1: about it that is obviously intriguing to all of us. 1975 01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,040 Speaker 1: And you know, do you do I wait again for 1976 01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, the next er or you know whatever. Man, 1977 01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's kind of my struggle. I don't 1978 01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't you know, it's not all about the score, 1979 01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,680 Speaker 1: but I tell you it's I tell you the next 1980 01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,320 Speaker 1: one that trips to trigger and you find yourself it's like, oh, 1981 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,479 Speaker 1: just just do what's fun? Chase that feeling. Man, that's 1982 01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:44,760 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm looking for. And I guess to answer 1983 01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,519 Speaker 1: your question, I don't have any of that right now. Um. 1984 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:50,360 Speaker 1: I got some good potential deer that I'm excited to see, 1985 01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:55,160 Speaker 1: but I know it's you know, a three year journey 1986 01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,720 Speaker 1: for them to be where I want them to be. Um, 1987 01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,680 Speaker 1: just because of their age, not really even you know 1988 01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:06,240 Speaker 1: they're racking the score, but just the age and I don't. Man, 1989 01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,880 Speaker 1: I've been so distant to all my other farms, Like 1990 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:13,400 Speaker 1: I've ranked cameras like I always do, you know, I've 1991 01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:18,320 Speaker 1: not put any of that like out on the wayside. 1992 01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:23,000 Speaker 1: Like but um, it's almost like I'm hunting new properties again. 1993 01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:25,479 Speaker 1: Like I just haven't. I haven't set in any other 1994 01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,519 Speaker 1: stand other than last year, you know, for that week 1995 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,680 Speaker 1: and I got lucky enough to kill that deer, and um, 1996 01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,760 Speaker 1: other than that, I haven't sit anywhereouse in four years. 1997 01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:39,280 Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. Yeah, it's kind of hitting me as 1998 01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying it to you because I've never really thought 1999 01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:44,920 Speaker 1: about it like that. But I haven't and I don't know. 2000 01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,720 Speaker 1: My um next thing is, you know, getting a good 2001 01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,200 Speaker 1: buddy of mine trying to get you know, he's on 2002 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,200 Speaker 1: some good deer and trying to help him get on them, 2003 01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,879 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe film him doing that, and obviously 2004 01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,080 Speaker 1: trying to get my wife on a go and she 2005 01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,400 Speaker 1: killed a good deer laugh neast year and that's really 2006 01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:03,919 Speaker 1: my next goals And that's kind of been my mindset 2007 01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:05,920 Speaker 1: and it's kind of keeping my mind off the reality 2008 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,960 Speaker 1: of trying to or needing to find another one because 2009 01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:10,360 Speaker 1: like as of right now, I don't I don't know 2010 01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:12,200 Speaker 1: what I'm jason next year, I guess just sitting in 2011 01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,840 Speaker 1: the tree stand, which it might be fun to go 2012 01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:16,840 Speaker 1: back to that for a little bit, to be honest. Yeah, 2013 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:21,360 Speaker 1: that's true. There's something about just some pressure free just 2014 01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:24,000 Speaker 1: just just sitting to sit and hunt and see what 2015 01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:28,560 Speaker 1: might surprise you. That's that's kind of pressure free, like 2016 01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:30,640 Speaker 1: just just being out there to be out there, and 2017 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, with cameras and stuff nowadays, it's hard to 2018 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,639 Speaker 1: be surprised. I mean on really what's there. But that's 2019 01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'll do some of that, just just 2020 01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,400 Speaker 1: be exciting to hunt and not really know what's there 2021 01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:49,240 Speaker 1: and not really know what's gonna walk in because Shoe, 2022 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen every 2023 01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,679 Speaker 1: year on that farm. What's him besides him? Of course, 2024 01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:59,400 Speaker 1: But man, well that is a heck of a journey. 2025 01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,760 Speaker 1: I uh, I've had some good ones, but never a 2026 01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,639 Speaker 1: six year hunt for a buck like that, and obviously 2027 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,200 Speaker 1: not a buck of that caliber. So soak it in, 2028 01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,760 Speaker 1: my friend. I hope you, I hope you get to 2029 01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:16,440 Speaker 1: uh spend some time just just reveling in this experience 2030 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,120 Speaker 1: and uh the good fortune and the story and all that, 2031 01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:24,280 Speaker 1: because that's a pretty a pretty special hunt. Congratulations. I 2032 01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,000 Speaker 1: appreciate it, man. I appreciate the opportunity to be on 2033 01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:32,160 Speaker 1: here and stuff too, and I and people are you know, 2034 01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,880 Speaker 1: excited to hear it, and it kind of hits home 2035 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,040 Speaker 1: for some people. And you know, I don't know, just 2036 01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,640 Speaker 1: the just the part of it that, you know, like 2037 01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,360 Speaker 1: his even the deer's ups and downs, you know, like 2038 01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,519 Speaker 1: and being wounded and then making a comeback with his 2039 01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:48,559 Speaker 1: you know, as horns being bigger than they ever were 2040 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,320 Speaker 1: at nine years old. Like it's just kind of wild 2041 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,640 Speaker 1: what kind of animals these animals really are, and like 2042 01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:57,320 Speaker 1: their will to live and I mean everybody's probably had 2043 01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,519 Speaker 1: a tracking story where you know that dead deer can't 2044 01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,720 Speaker 1: be alive, and you know it is, but they're just 2045 01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,680 Speaker 1: they're different and they obviously people like us, they just 2046 01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:12,320 Speaker 1: do different things too. And I don't know, I'm my 2047 01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:17,840 Speaker 1: dad introduced me to hunting, and I'm so fortunate appreciative 2048 01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,680 Speaker 1: of that because without that, I don't I like, I 2049 01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,560 Speaker 1: don't even know what I'd be doing right now. You know, 2050 01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:24,400 Speaker 1: maybe we'ddle in some wood or something, I don't know, 2051 01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,559 Speaker 1: doing something productive with your life other than Jason tales 2052 01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:33,120 Speaker 1: all day. Yeah, at least that's what some people think. 2053 01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:37,519 Speaker 1: Wasted time, that's for sure. But it's it's worth every 2054 01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,400 Speaker 1: bit of it when it comes together on something like this. 2055 01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:43,000 Speaker 1: But it's serious. Well, Tyler Man, thank you so much 2056 01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,360 Speaker 1: for taking time to share this story and to kind 2057 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,920 Speaker 1: of break it all down and what you learn and 2058 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,000 Speaker 1: what worked. And I think there's a lot of not 2059 01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,160 Speaker 1: only is it the fun story, but also some stuff 2060 01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,680 Speaker 1: that I think that that I can take away and 2061 01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,880 Speaker 1: hopefully everybody else can too. And uh, whether it's a 2062 01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,559 Speaker 1: hundred ten inch buck or hundred nine buck, I think 2063 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:04,080 Speaker 1: the chase for one deer is is pretty darn compelling 2064 01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:07,439 Speaker 1: and this is a perfect example of it. Yeah. I 2065 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,120 Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, I appreciate it. Like I said, the 2066 01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:12,479 Speaker 1: opportunity to be on here too, that was it was 2067 01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:14,840 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I worked out. Well, let's do it again 2068 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,760 Speaker 1: in three or four or five six years when you 2069 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:21,400 Speaker 1: get the next one, right, I hope saw that. Let's 2070 01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,479 Speaker 1: do it. I appreciate it, Mark, all right, and that's 2071 01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,599 Speaker 1: a wrap. Thank you for tuning in appreciate you joining 2072 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:29,920 Speaker 1: me here at the beginning of the new year. If 2073 01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:32,360 Speaker 1: you still have a tag from the two Deer season, 2074 01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm wishing you luck. I hope you can close it 2075 01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,000 Speaker 1: out here at the bottom of the ninth with some 2076 01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:40,880 Speaker 1: magic in the last moments, and if not, either way, 2077 01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:45,439 Speaker 1: thanks for being here, and until next time, stay wired 2078 01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:46,360 Speaker 1: to Hu.