1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nola is on an adventure, 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: but will be returning shortly. They called me Ben. We're 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: to know. Now. In the interim between last Thursday and 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: this Thursday, Matt, you and I have been digging through voicemails. 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: We've been following up on emails. I want to thank 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: everybody who reached out to this show on social or 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: reached out to us as individuals. You are the most 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: important part of the show, fellow conspiracy realist. And this, 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: of course is the time of the week where we 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: put our money where our our mouths are, where your 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: ears are. You get the gist. It's our weekly listener 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: mail segment. Whoops, all voicemails is what we're calling this one. 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: We we always put our mouth that's where your ears are, 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: which is kind of gross. Yeah, we tried to do 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: it in an enjoyable, not creepy way. Uh. We are 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: going to let's see, we're gonna travel to a couple 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: of different themes. We're going to travel to a couple 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: of different places. Uh, particularly Kingsport, Tennessee, where I have 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: a bit of a past, but I am still currently 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: allowed into that city. So that's good news depending on 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: how this this show goes this week. Yeah, also going 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: to Boise, Idaho. It's going to be exciting. What better 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: way to begin? I don't know, I'm pretty idea about 31 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: all of these. Met Our correspondence really knocked it out 32 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: of the park today. Where do you think we start? 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Why don't we start with a familiar voice who has 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: a comment on just an off hand discussion that we 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: had within an episode pretty recently. Oh yeah, alright, oub checked. 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: How are Eagles Scouts forceived? How the contents kept in 37 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: their trunk? I'll make this as quick as I can, 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: and I had to because this is funny. This is 39 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: this is messed up. So when I was a young 40 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: bike game, uh, traveling around my hometown has previously jos voice, 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't know um getting my eagle scout there, I 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: became accustomed to traveling with certain safety equipment for dealing 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: with you know, the things you might find in the 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: mountains that might be dangerous, mountain lions, grizzly bears, wolves, 45 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: and drunk red knucks. So I had a revolver in 46 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: in the safety bag that sat on my floor because 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: I used to spend my weekends there in the mountains. 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: I was pulled over for speeding one day and they 49 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: went through my car and they found the revolver and 50 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: got very excited about it, and then they opened the trunk, 51 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: and then they got real excited about it, so excited 52 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: in fact, that after that I posted bail for being 53 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: arrested with concealed weapons without having to turn it. I 54 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: didn't have a pregnant to carry it concealed like it's 55 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: in a bag. Whatever. It wasn't a big deal. Finds 56 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: paid community service done. But the contest, they they believe 57 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: that I was a I can't make this up neo 58 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Nazi enforcers, so much so that I had to go 59 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: to the fourth floor of the Wells Fargo building in 60 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: downtown Boise, Idaho, where I found out. That's where the 61 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: FBI office is at least one of them. And I 62 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: sat there for an hour and a half to two 63 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: hours having an imprompto psyche valve done by two ages. 64 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: And I still have one of their cards in my 65 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: wallet because I kept it because I'm like, I'm never 66 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: gonna forget this. It was a hilarious conversation. I'm not 67 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna go into the details about it, years its way 68 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: too much. It was one of the funniest conversations I've 69 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: ever had. I may or may not have been under 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: the influence, but they had a cough following around like 71 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: two weeks. It was a mess. Uh anyway, but no, 72 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: just In Eagles Scott and I told him that many times. 73 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. Uh. I love the show, guys. 74 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: I hope you get a laugh by that guy. Man, 75 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me too. Viking is the best, So a 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: story of what can happen when your vehicle is filled 77 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: with stuff that you may want to use, if you've 78 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: gone through training to become an equal Scout or anyone 79 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: else who's done a lot of outdoor survival training or 80 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: anything like that. It went wrong for Viking obviously a 81 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 1: little bit wrong at least, uh and it's gone wrong 82 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, as as I found out 83 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: just after hearing this. But we remember this, We joked 84 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: about it. We joked about something with the contents of 85 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: people's trunks, like making authorities believe they're serial killers because 86 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: they have go bags and all kinds of stuff equipment. Um, 87 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know what what's your take on 88 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: that initially been? Uh, well, I would say I'm glad 89 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: you got out of that. I think those sorts of 90 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: impromptu conversations happen more often than a lot of people realize. 91 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: And because you're coming to us from a safe place now, Viking, 92 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: so glad to hear it. We can look back on 93 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: this with a little bit of amusement and levity. But 94 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: those conversations don't always turn out to be those kind 95 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: of fun stories for parties and friends. You can get 96 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: profiled based on this kind of stuff, even if you know, 97 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: even if you have the correct permit for your state 98 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: in the US, you can still end up being profiled. 99 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: Like the thing is, law enforcement can just take you in, 100 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and then later find a 101 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: reason why in these worst case scenarios. But we do 102 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: have to realize you know that when you're talking about 103 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: the Alphabet boys, when you're talking about law enforcement, there's 104 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: a reason that they clamped down on this stuff. Now, obviously, Viking, 105 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: you are not a Nazi enforcer. That might sound a 106 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: little strange to a lot of us who are not 107 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: in Boise, Idaho, or haven't spent time in Idaho, but 108 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: they're not coming from nowhere with that concern because uh, 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: neo Nazi groups are active in Idaho. And as a 110 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: matter of fact, just last year, just August of last year, 111 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: they had a group of neo Nazis had been arrested 112 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: and charged with planning some some pretty significant power grid attacks. 113 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Did you see that when two men did? Yeah? I did. Yeah, 114 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: And there are similar groups across the country and probably 115 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: the world. Little cells that operate, hopefully little cells at 116 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: least for now. Yeah. I actually talked to Viking just 117 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: momentarily today. I got a few more details that. Again, 118 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: maybe that's why I'm feeling more amused about this. Yeah, 119 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: more details. Yeah, what happened. Um, this was about ten 120 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: years ago when when this went down, when it occurred, 121 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: he definitely had a revolver on, you know, in the 122 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: car with him. It was in a travel bag as 123 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: he describes it, or a backpack. It was on the floor. 124 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: He described it as a self defense weapon as as 125 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: we heard in the message um and the boise p 126 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: D definitely considered it a concealed weapon without a permit. 127 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: Vikings says, quote, I was speeding. I was definitely doing that. 128 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: But they really believed they had me on this other 129 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: thing like they just fully believed it. And it has 130 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: to do with when they opened their trunk. And he 131 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to go into the details with all of that, 132 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get I'm gonna get to it here 133 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: in just a moment. The boise p D, independent of 134 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: the federal guys, the FBI did send someone, a patrolman. 135 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: I guess that they assigned to him to follow him 136 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: from work to home, to the community service that he 137 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: was performing, to friends houses, back and forth. He knew 138 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: this person was on him at all times. It wasn't subtle. 139 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I suppose it was just watching him, making sure they 140 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: understood his movements. That's when the FBI dropped by his house, apparently, 141 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: and they left a card that simply stated call us immediately. 142 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: So he had to take the initiative to get in 143 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: contact with the local FBI office, and then he did. 144 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: He went in. He said, at the time he was 145 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: what did you call it, smoking grass? He was smoking 146 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: grass quite a bit at the time. So when he 147 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: went to the FBI building, or rather the Wells Fargo 148 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: building where the FBI was located, he was elevated, quite elevated, 149 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: he says. And there were two agents. One was very nice, 150 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: one was very angry. Um. The nice guy was a 151 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: bit older. The mean one looked like he worked out 152 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot. And the mean one kept insisting about the 153 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: contents of the truck. And they were stuck on a 154 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: few different items. One of the main items was a 155 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: gas mask, which I can imagine is a bit alarming. 156 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: If you open a trunk or you're searching a vehicle 157 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and you find a gas mask. Maybe, I don't know, 158 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: is that should that be alarming? What do you think 159 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: would that be alarming? Well, it's so it's possible that 160 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: they had some kind of information or you know, maybe 161 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: they had you see, someone undercover who had named for 162 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: them the possibilities of attacks that were being considered by 163 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: groups like in the area and Freedom Network or whatever. 164 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: And if one of those involved the dispersal of some 165 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: kind of agent. Then they would they would then have 166 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: a list of kind of things to look out for, right, 167 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: things that might be connected possibly to someone who would 168 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: be planning an attack like that. But it banking. Really, 169 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: what it sounds like is that they had some idea 170 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: or some report of possible actions and they just profiled 171 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: the hell out of you. Like it's strange because you know, 172 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: there are people in law enforcement who spend their entire 173 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: careers looking at militia as separatist gangs, cartels, you know, no, 174 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: learning their behavior, their rights, their rituals. I mean rights 175 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: are I T E s, not the R I G 176 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: H T s rights which are often ignored. But uh, 177 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: but the thing there is like if I saw a 178 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: gas mask, and again I'm not a law enforcement professional, 179 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: neither of us are, but if I saw a gas 180 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: mask on a search, I mean, yeah, it would stand out, 181 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: but you would also want a little more right, Like 182 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: you can't just it's not illegal to own a gas mask. 183 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: And there are hundreds of thousands of people in the 184 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: US alone who don't have like a career reason or 185 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: a workplace reason to have a gas mask, but they 186 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: want to be prepared and case something goes down, you 187 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I would chalk that up 188 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: to that. But I can see how they would say, 189 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: we need to do a little more digging. And of 190 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: course the good cop back cop routine tail as old 191 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: as time, exactly exactly. And uh, in this case, I 192 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: have a feeling Viking, you'll you can call it and 193 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like you've got 194 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: a real sense of humor about a lot of things. Uh. 195 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: And I imagine you in that interrogation room, interview room 196 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: whatever they would have called it, just not taking things 197 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: very seriously because of how you told me you responded 198 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: when they were grilling you on the gas mask. Uh, 199 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: this is These are direct quotes from our conversation. Yea. 200 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: The FBI said, what was the gas mask in the 201 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: trunk for? He said, yeah, we can skip that question. 202 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: I said, no we can't, No, we can't. And he said, 203 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: for fun. Oh I word it for fun, okay, okay, 204 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: like and they were looking at him, you know, like, 205 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: uh huh he said it's like for sex. Man, come on, 206 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: oh who whoa, whoa whoa. So he I have a 207 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: feeling like maybe took it to that place to generate 208 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable response on purpose. I don't know, well, I 209 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: don't know. It's also that part would be true, but yeah, 210 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: maybe it's true. But either way, you know, you can 211 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: totally you can totally have that. There's again, there's nothing 212 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: illegal about that, you know what I mean. Often in 213 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: those interrogations you're asked the same question in a number 214 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: of different ways, the idea being that if you are lying, 215 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: you will eventually trip up, which people do all the time. 216 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: So if so, it's also weird that he didn't have 217 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: a he didn't lawyer up. But it sounds like things 218 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: turned out okay anyhow. I love that answer though, whether 219 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: or not it's true. Great answer. Yeah, but here's the thing, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 220 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: you we don't need to talk about um. There are 221 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: certain laws in place that have mandatory sentencing. Still, that's 222 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: that's a real thing that we've talked about in a 223 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of different ways, most importantly when 224 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: it comes to drug laws within the United States, the 225 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: concept of mandatory minimums that that this country decided to 226 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: enact for quite a while there. But in other things 227 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: like gun charges, concealed weapons charges without permits, things like that, 228 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: there's there's something that has to happen when an incident 229 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: occurs and it's reported to police, you know, and there's 230 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: an investigation of any kind. And I just really quickly 231 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: want to mention the story of one person named Cole 232 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: with Row that I was not familiar with. It's an 233 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: incident that occurred in this person. Cole with Row was 234 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: a high school student in North Carolina who was an 235 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: eagle scout and over the weekend, he was carrying in 236 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: vehicle a shotgun that he uses for skeet shooting, and 237 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: it's a very fairly common thing that he does. He 238 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: had left it in his vehicle and didn't notice until 239 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: he reached behind the seats to pull out his backpack 240 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: and noticed that his shotgun was in the vehicle on 241 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: school grounds, which he's where is a problem. So he 242 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: goes inside to the school, makes a phone call to 243 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: his mother and asks her to come and get the 244 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: vehicle and take it off of school grounds because he 245 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: can't he can't leave, he can't drive the thing home. 246 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: He's like late for class basically because of all this. 247 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: A staff member at the school overhears calls the police. 248 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: There's a student on campus with a shotgun. He ends 249 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: up getting in huge trouble just for physically having a 250 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: shotgun on campus, even though he's attempting to do the 251 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: right thing to get it off of campus. But he 252 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: has to go through the system and is charged with 253 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: a felony and he was expelled from the school, as like, 254 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: these are the rules, they're set up when X happens 255 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do about it. I just 256 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: wonder how many more things like that exists in our 257 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: society right now, where there's no room for the human element, 258 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: like you know, the variation on a theme rather than 259 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: just this is A or B. Yeah, And and schools 260 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: throughout the country have have been caught in similar struggles, 261 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, when you navigate the law. I think that 262 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: kid was also just a few weeks away from graduating 263 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, so he did the right thing in 264 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: that regard, but he still he still got smacked for it. 265 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: And sometimes, just as you're describing Matt, you can absolutely 266 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: do the right thing, like in in your case, Viking, 267 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: you were totally cooperative, right, and you can say maybe 268 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: the p D was making an intimidation move by shadowing 269 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: you visibly, and you have to know that they knew, 270 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: you knew, etcetera. But I'm also concerned with that. You know, 271 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: mandatory minimums, regardless of your personal ideologies or whatever you 272 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: subscribe to, mandatory minimums are a problem. They mean that 273 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: a judge, if something goes to a jury trial, uh, 274 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: the judge and the jury have their roles extremely curtailed. 275 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: And mandatory minimums can irreparably mess up people's lives. Right. 276 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: One of the one of the big things that's happening 277 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: now is, you know, for mandatory minimum sentencing in the 278 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: world of substance abuse, in the War on drugs, as 279 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: certain drugs become uh increasingly decriminalized, marijuana in particular, hallucinogens 280 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: becoming regarded more for their medicinal potential. Like, as these 281 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: things happen, people who were punished under mandatory minimum regimes 282 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: still have to sit there and canue to imagine how 283 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: livid you must be if you got some crazy sentence 284 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: for possession of marijuana. And now you see maybe people 285 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: from the same state you were in when you got arrested, 286 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: You see them opening businesses and they're I'm laughing because 287 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: we're at the gallows when it comes to that kind 288 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: of stuff. But but yes, I would love to hear 289 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: people's opinions on mandatory minimums. I think they were often 290 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: a political decision that did much more harm than good. 291 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: But I'm not an expert in this regard. It's something 292 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: we would need to do a full episode on. I 293 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: don't know what do you think, Matt, mandatory minimums for him? 294 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: Against them? Against them? But yeah, uh, maybe we change, 295 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: Maybe our minds will change when we when we dive in. 296 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, we have some um, we have some wonderful 297 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: legal minds who are fellow conspiracy realist who listened to 298 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: the podcast. Uh, several of whom I owe some emails 299 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: back to. I'd also love to hear from people who 300 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: are in the world of criminal justice, like what their 301 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: personal take on mandatory minimums are, you know, and especially 302 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: if you have experience seeing those applied, what what happens 303 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: after those stories leave the news. Uh. It's just something 304 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: that I think we could we could all work together 305 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: to shed some light on. Yeah, let's do it. Let's 306 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: do it. Well. Thank you so much Viking for telling 307 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: us that story. Everything seems to have worked out and 308 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: we're very happy about that. Viking would like to have 309 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: the last word here and that is shout out to 310 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: you agent Steve on the fourth floor of the Wells 311 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: Fargo building and boys wonderful and also we're back. But 312 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: also just before we move on, I want to again 313 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: say that I just love the way Viking begins begins 314 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: his messages to us, and I hope you enjoy them 315 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: as well, folks uh re. Recently I went on Twitter, 316 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: AP and Bull and hs W and just asked asked 317 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: the group our conspiracy Realists on Twitter if if you 318 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: all had any preference with voicemails or emails, and a 319 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: lot of people said they like the mixture of both, uh, 320 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: Matt and Doc. And I sure enjoy the voicemails because 321 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: you know there is a chance that Matt might call 322 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: you back. The abyss stares back sometimes be careful, but 323 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: also just from a listening experience, it adds your voices 324 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: to the show. It gives us this audio texture. And Matt, 325 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: you in particular, do such a great job curating these. 326 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: So very appreciative of you. When we say, whoops, all voicemails, 327 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: what we're doing really is we're chasing the stories. Uh. 328 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: And sometimes those are on voicemails, sometimes they're on email. 329 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes honestly, folks will reach out to me and they'll 330 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: ask them to send it in an email so we 331 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: can all we can all share it together. UH. But 332 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear you weigh in as well. If 333 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: you have a preference for voicemail, email, et cetera. Let 334 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: us know. In the meantime, back to the show. We 335 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: are traveling to Tennessee and we're doing it with the 336 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: help of fellow conspiracy realist friend of the show. Let's 337 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: introduce you, without further ado, to te hey fellows, this 338 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: is a t I called once before UM a little 339 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: while back to UH tell you all about a story 340 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: U sort of about an unexplained phenomenon happened to me 341 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: at a church to college I went to. UH, and 342 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: you have my permission to use this or whatever on 343 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: the show nickname voice reporting whatever. What I wanted to 344 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: bring y'all tension today was a few weeks ago UM 345 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: in a town called Kingsport, Tennessee, Eastman Chemical Plant or 346 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: the Tennessee operation headquarter of the Eastman Chemical Company had 347 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: a pipeline burst and this pipeline sprayed asbestos and several 348 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: other chemicals into the air. UM that actually coded a 349 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: surrounding area, cars and homes, yards, sidewalks, et cetera. Now, 350 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: this inveent of itself does not you know, news. Eastman 351 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: has an explosion every couple of years, and you know, 352 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: some kind of minor, you know, chemical problem every couple 353 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: of years, and rarely anything ever gets done about it. However, 354 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: the problem with what happened this time was the fact 355 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: that Eastman knew about it. They knew about it for 356 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: several hours before they actually released the information to the public, 357 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: warning people that it was expessive. Now there's like a 358 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: class action shoot going on right now, or it's sort 359 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: of in the early stages, but it is very unlikely 360 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: that anything will actually happened to Kingsport because there is 361 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: so much support by the local population for Eastman, which 362 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: is based purely upon the dependence of the local economy 363 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: economy on its existence. If Eastan wants to go away, 364 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: Kingsport would dry up. City of Kingsport could not survive 365 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: without Eastman, and as a result, the people of the 366 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: city blindly to Phineastman and everything they do. And if 367 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: there's something that you're interested in, don't want to hear 368 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: a little more about, so free to give me a 369 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: call back. Um, my grandfather used to drive a truck 370 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: for Eastman back in the seventies and eighties, and well, 371 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: I've got some stories about that that y'all might be 372 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: interested in black size picking things up in the middle 373 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: of the night, transport him across country and unmarked trailers 374 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: with a discrete escort. That kind of cool stuff. Um. 375 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, I look into the recent explosion or 376 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: the pipeline burst at at Eastern Chemical Company in Kingsport, Tennessee. 377 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: Y'all might find it interesting. You'll have a good one. So, yes, T, 378 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: you are absolutely correct, and I have as as some 379 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: of us know, U, I have family in East Tennessee 380 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: in King's Sport, full disclosure, I've had and to have 381 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: relatives friends of the family who work at Eastman. It 382 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: is a big, big, big, big deal in the area. 383 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: So T, you said a couple of things that let 384 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: me know you are on the level, and uh, we 385 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: are fellow hometown guys. One of my favorite parts there, 386 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Matt is when T says, but you know, it's Eastman 387 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: and they have an explosion like every every couple of 388 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: years or so. It is so very true. And I 389 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: think most people in the area will acknowledge that have 390 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: you ever heard of Like you know about Kingsport, but 391 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: have you heard of Eastman Before? I want to say 392 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: I've heard of Eastman, but I don't know. It feels 393 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: like one of those names are the companies that I've 394 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: seen on trucks or something or going through Tennessee. I've noticed, 395 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: but I have no idea what it is. A lot 396 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: of people probably associated with Eastman Kodak and it started 397 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: out in Tennessee. It was founded way back in UH. 398 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: It was found in nineteen twenties. Has a reaction to 399 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: World War One. The guy who created it, George Eastman, 400 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: wanted his own supply of chemicals for his photography stuff, 401 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: and his search for different sort of chemicals ultimately led 402 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: to the creation of what was originally called Tennessee Eastman. 403 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: It is a big, big deal right now. I think 404 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: they have their worldwide company. They've got fifty different sites globally. UH. 405 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: They employ fourteen thousands something people, and a lot of 406 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: them are in king Sport, t You're also right about 407 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: that king Sport would dry up with without without Eastman, 408 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: But they also have a problem with repeated violations of 409 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: safety standards. Like you said, you know, there are there 410 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of explosions over the historical record from 411 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: this place. The whole town would shut down sometimes when 412 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: something bad happened. But there's a lot of support for 413 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: this area. You know. King Sport is also a relatively 414 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: conservative area. Most Americans would describe it as such. Uh. 415 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: And the emphasis there is on continuing employment right, on 416 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: having a having a lucrative career path in an area 417 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: of the country where frankly, there are a lot of 418 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: other towns that are struggling because they don't have something 419 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: like an Eastman. So you could even say it's a 420 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: bit of a devil's bargain. But if you want to 421 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: go to your search browser a choice and put in 422 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: like Eastman Explosions, history or something like that, just magic 423 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: together a few words about pollution or contamination Eastman and 424 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: king Sport, and you'll find no shortage of reporting on this. 425 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: It is a it is a known issue. The asbestness 426 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: part is especially frightening because if they knew for hours, 427 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: and they knew asbestos is out there, then people almost 428 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: certainly got exposed and they're not going to see a 429 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: lot of damaging health effects that until much further down 430 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: the road. What I don't understand, Ben, is the the 431 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: phrase used in some of the reporting that you shared 432 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: here about a high pressure steamline failure. We may not 433 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: know the answer to this, but it feels like I 434 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: just don't understand that system. They're dealing with chemicals. Are 435 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: they synthesizing chemicals? Are they combining chemicals? Just thinking about 436 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: the chemicals that are used in here? Are we talking 437 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: photo processing? Like that's what this is, photography, photo processing, 438 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: chemicals that you would actually use in like a black 439 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: light room or massive production process. Yeah, the they started 440 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: with chemicals for photography, but now it's it's so much 441 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: bigger than that. They create things like fibers like cellulose acitate. 442 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: They make a lot of polyesters and adhesives. Just when 443 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: you think of chemicals, you know, they want you to 444 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: think of Eastman and then call them adviseth Hie Howard's 445 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: steam pipe failure is you can you can see the 446 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: official company's statement. They call it an operational incident, but 447 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: a a ink line failure. Just posting their official statement 448 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: here in our chat is essentially the line or the 449 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: pipe providing high pressure steam. It's different areas to power everything. 450 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: It pops and the explosions can be quite spectacular. And 451 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm not using that in the in the nice connotation. 452 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's a spectacle. You hear that explosion miles away. 453 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: You know, plumes of smoke containing god knows what going everywhere, 454 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: and when that utility line carrying that steam when it explodes, 455 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: you could hear the sound as far as five miles away. 456 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: There's a rumbling in the ground, you know what I mean. 457 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: And if you're not used to it, it feels like 458 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: end of the world stuff. But if you've lived in 459 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: Kingsport for a while, you're you're probably thinking it's Eastman again, 460 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: what me worry? Yeah, yeah, Well, but in this case, 461 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like it ruptured part of the building because 462 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's the source of the asbestos. Was probably 463 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: older insulation in the building that got pulverized and aerosolized 464 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: as it as the explosion occurred. Yeah, their polymer production 465 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: area was the most heavily impacted, per their earlier statement, 466 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: or per their official statement that came out on March tenth, 467 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: But again that's only one example. You can also see 468 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: back in seventeen they were cited for like Osha in 469 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee got them for four serious violations at their coal 470 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: gasification facility after after some explosions again, and the main 471 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: violation in that case, keep in mind when you hear 472 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: these numbers is the main violation was a faulty valve. 473 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: You know how much they got charged for that? That 474 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: two thousand fo Wow, that's pretty good. A nice work, y'all. 475 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: I mean you know, uh, doc works uh prolifically in 476 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: the world of production. You and I have worked in 477 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: the world of production as well in the past. Uh. 478 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: If you came to me and said we can we 479 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: can film a pretty decent explosion for just a little 480 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: a little over two thousand dollars, I would be like, 481 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: you're a if. Oh yeah, it finds But like, I 482 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: don't know how much does it cost to make a 483 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: good explosion on camera? Uh we're joking a little bit. 484 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: But people have been injured by this stuff, and those 485 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: chemicals that get released have to go somewhere, and they're 486 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: not they're not good for you. I hope that's not 487 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: a hot take. But but again, the issue is it's 488 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: such a massive source of employment, and also everybody working 489 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: at Eastman in Kingsport. I haven't been to other Eastman plants. 490 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: Very working for Eastman and king Sport is doing their best, 491 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're not villainous people. It's 492 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: just a lot of moving parts with some things that 493 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: can be very dangerous out in the wild. And when 494 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: the news pops up, you don't really see a ton 495 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: of deep dives into this. It maybe pops up in 496 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: a local you know, uh an official report from Eastman 497 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: and then some local news, and then the news cycle 498 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: moves on. And this stuff, to be fair, happens at 499 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: facilities for all kinds of companies all across the world, 500 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: and if you are not actively looking for them, or 501 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: if you don't live in the area, it's very very 502 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: easy to miss them, which is a shame because this 503 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: stuff is pretty important. And let's end it on this. So, 504 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: not only does Eastman enjoy widespread support in Kingsport, Tennessee, 505 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: and indeed, I would say the tri city area, which 506 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: is uh king Sport, Johnson City in Bristol, Eastman is 507 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: also expanding and it's still expanding. By the end of 508 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: two they will have a new plant that converts polyester 509 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: waste into what they're calling durable products. They're spending about 510 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: two and fifty million to build it, and in January 511 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: of this year they also said they're going to invest 512 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: a billion dollars in a recycling facility in France. So 513 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to create what is sometimes called a circular economy. 514 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: The circular economy is the idea that you can be 515 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: the person who makes the chemicals or the outfit that 516 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: makes the chemicals, and you can also be the outfit 517 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: that recycles the chemicals, so you can kind of cradle 518 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: to grave it right. And you can also sincerely and 519 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: legitimately say that you're helping fight contamination, and you'll be 520 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: making money on both sides. So sometimes doing the right 521 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: thing works out, especially when it's a business decision. But 522 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: with that, I would love to hear other people's stories 523 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: about te Im. I'm I'm glad you're safe, man, I 524 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: know we all are. I would love to hear other 525 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: people's stories about little known regional disasters like this, or 526 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: you can call them mishaps, or you can call them 527 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: operational incidents. If you want to take a page from Eastman, 528 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: how does your neck of the woods handle these? What 529 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: do you think should be improved? Do you know of 530 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: anything that you would consider a ticking time bomb in 531 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: your area? Let us know three three std w y 532 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: t K conspiracy Dihart Radio dot com. We're gonna pause 533 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: or word from our sponsor and we'll be back with 534 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: some more messages from you. Ah. Yes, and we've returned, 535 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: and we are jumping back to the phone line. Does 536 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: everyone get excited? We're gonna hear from Hank. Hey, guys, 537 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: what's going on? Uh, it's your boy, Hank Moody calling in. 538 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: I've actually had some stuff weighing on my mind, and 539 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: with all of the things that are ramping up in 540 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: the world recently, I was hoping that you might be 541 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: able to cover around one to three topics that I've 542 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: been seriously thinking about. One of them is that I 543 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: keep seeing the doomsday prophecy kind of stuff popping up, 544 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, like I think Joe Rogan recently posted something 545 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: about how an m I T application predicted that the 546 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: world will end in I just want to know what 547 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: you guys think about that. Another thing that's been weighing 548 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: on my mind is the whole simulation idea um that 549 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: statistically there's a fifty fifty chance that we're in a simulation. 550 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: I've seen pros and cons for being in both, but 551 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: it just kind of creeps me out knowing that this 552 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: is just all an intricate simulation. It sound it's crazy, 553 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: I know, but uh, you know, what are the possibilities. 554 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: I'd just like to hear what you guys think about that. 555 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: And then the last thing, I was just hoping that 556 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: you could cover the idea that as I get older, 557 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm starting to realize that UFOs and all of the 558 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: scize fi stuff that we know and love, like, uh, 559 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, mythological beasts and you know, curses and demons 560 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: and stuff, is all kind of one and the same. Um, 561 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: it's all a bunch of really well done elaboration on 562 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: stories from people that we're out of it or misremembered something, 563 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: and that most of the stuff we see is just 564 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: really advanced government tech that we don't know about or 565 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: don't really understand. So UM, I was open at some 566 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: point you guys could cover any of those three because 567 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: it just seems interesting. And also, you know, as we 568 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: get older and as we start to understand things, things 569 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: kind of aren't what they used to be. So I 570 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: hope you're all having a great day and uh hank 571 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: out hank out, hank out. Hank gave us three three 572 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: topics that I just want to throw out here, I guess, 573 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: and discuss with you, Ben, and then we want to 574 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: hear what you think if you're listening to this, like, 575 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: do any of these sparky er interest? Would you like 576 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: us to talk about these the same way? Hank Wood, Um, 577 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: so let's get started. First. One doomsday prophecies been. Oh, 578 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. They're always around, uh sneaking 579 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: on the periphery, making their way into our minds and 580 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: into Joe Rogan's mind I guess. The one in particular 581 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: that was mentioned there was the twenty forty m I 582 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: t I believe it was a study. I know. We've 583 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: talked about this, Ben, We we have right right, Yeah, 584 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: the the assessment that's that attempts to comprehensively paint a 585 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: picture of civilly zation's uh destabilization or collapse, I believe. 586 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: And that's that's a really interesting one for us, Hank 587 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: because that study was done in nine seventy two, and 588 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: it remains pretty relevant in a chilling way today. They're 589 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: they're thinking that it's called like the limits to growth 590 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: model without being too dry. It's not the same as 591 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: absolutely predicting the future. It's saying that if you use 592 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: this specific limits to growth model, which we can explain, 593 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: then the fall of society as we understand it will 594 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: take place in about in about eighteen years, um. Yeah, 595 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: And it's what they look at is like the idea 596 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: of natural resources running out or in the case of 597 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: water being contaminated such that they are no longer useful 598 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,479 Speaker 1: for human consumption, and rising costs occurring in step with that, 599 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: so that you know, the idea would be one day 600 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: we'll live in a world where an orange is a 601 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: rare thing because of the water it takes to grow them, 602 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: and an orange cost you ten dollars, and then shortly 603 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: after that you just won't have oranges won't be a thing. 604 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 1: So like it's scary, it makes total sense. As global 605 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: population grows, the industries that support that population have to grow, 606 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, equally or even more so than the population itself, 607 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: so they're so more food and other goods and services 608 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: can be provided, and like you said, the finite resources 609 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: have to then be used at a higher and higher 610 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: clip as the industry grows and it's and they've been 611 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: looking at it, and they looked at it then and 612 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: then m I T went back and looked at it 613 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: years and years later, not that long ago, as we 614 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: talked about. I think I think this was written about 615 00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: a lot into one, maybe mid year June some around 616 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: that time. And it's pretty horrifying because you could almost 617 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: feel it now, Yeah, like in your bones. You can 618 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: feel that it's coming as you look around, and then 619 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: you know, of course you watch World War three kind 620 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: of happening before our eyes. It does. It feels like 621 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: the limits to human growth are are being uh hit 622 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: and being discovered. Yeah, that's that's another issue. So we 623 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: do want to talk about this study just a bit more. 624 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: It was considered controversial at the time, and a lot 625 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: of opportunitists took it to further their own agendas. Also, 626 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: there were a surprising amount of conspiracy theories regarding this 627 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: because the limits to growth model upon which that study 628 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: is based was published by an outfit called the Club 629 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: of Rome, which is that's the kind of thing where 630 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: it makes you want to have like a phrase of 631 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: the day, you know, So we could have a peewee 632 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: m and ask uh a cavalcade of celebration. But yeah, 633 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: the Club of Rome is a foundational at least some 634 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: of their work is a foundational part of this which 635 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: gives some some folks who are critics of the Club 636 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: of Room. It gives them the sense that maybe not 637 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: everything is on the up and up with the m 638 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: I T study. We think it is. We think it 639 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: is legit. It's legit science, right, and science can always 640 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: be approved upon. We don't think people are trying to 641 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: conspire against you necessarily. And we did a Club of 642 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: Rome video maybe so we definitely did a secret society's 643 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: Uh Okay, I'm pretty sure I remember editing that video. 644 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: What is the Club of Rome stuff they don't want 645 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: you to know? Yep, we did it. Okay, check that out. 646 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: So check that out. Not not too too much has 647 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: changed regarding the Club of Rome's mission. But things might 648 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: not be well. Okay, I don't even want to say 649 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: that on air. Things are dire. But the when they 650 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: revisited this study, in particular, I want to point to 651 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: Guya Harrington, who updated the model for the Yale Journal 652 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: of Ecology in November, and Harrington's conclusion is a little 653 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, it's still dire. That's the thing. 654 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: It's still dire. We're in the car. The car is 655 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: hurdling headlong to a tree. We just have to determine 656 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: how we're going to handle the crash. That's where we're at. 657 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: There's not much time to swerve in this accident. But 658 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: Harrington concludes that society has quote about another decade to 659 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: change courses and avoid collapse by investing in sustainable technologies 660 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: and equitable human development. So sustainable technologies, you know, one 661 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theories you'll hear about that is, um, well, 662 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: you'll hear two things. One that is a conspiracy area 663 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: is that companies are top down companies and institutions, very 664 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: wealthy people are pushing sustainable technology because it's a new 665 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: way for them to make a lot of money or 666 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: control aspects of civilization that hasn't improven. But what has 667 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 1: been proven is that, yeah, the traditional energy methods, fossil 668 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: fuel in particular, have unavoidable consequences. Generally, the human species, 669 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: as long as it survives, will be paying for those 670 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: consequences along with the rest of the natural world. But 671 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: sustainable technology also has also has some skeletons in its 672 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: closet depending on what you're asking about. Like, you know, 673 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: let's say you own an electric car and every day 674 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: you plug it in, and you think it's great that 675 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: you're not contributing to the use of gas. But if 676 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: you're doing that in an area of the world where 677 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: the electric grid is coal powered, then all you're doing 678 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: is moving that fossil fuel further away. You just don't 679 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: have to look at the pump, you know what I mean? Exactly? 680 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: Do you want to switch? Just quickly? We can hit 681 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: on the other two. We don't spend a lot of 682 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: time on them. First, A simulation theory something that we 683 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: mentioned in episodes across the span of our history, but 684 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: we haven't done a simulation theory episode. That's so weird. 685 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 1: It's one of your favorites, isn't it. Like we've talked 686 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,919 Speaker 1: about I feel like a death we well, we've talked 687 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: about it with I think Dan maybe and and maybe 688 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: off the books with Lucky and a few other people. 689 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: But um man, Uh, yeah, that's one of my favorite. 690 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: The holographic universe is what we used to call it 691 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: back in the day when we were in video land. Uh, 692 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: we should do that, for sure. I want to do that. Okay, yeah, 693 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: let's do that as an episode. I can't believe we 694 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: haven't done that yet. That is a great idea, Hank. 695 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: And that's something Matt I think you and I will 696 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: immensely enjoy. Yeah, we should also do. You know what 697 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: we should do going back that first idea as well, 698 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: is we should also look at Congo and cobalt. That's 699 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: gonna be yes, yeah, yes, Okay, we got two episodes 700 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: down already. Here's our third one. Um. The big takeaway 701 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: from Hank, I'm sorry I called Hank to I apologized 702 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: to you, Hank. I apologize to everybody else for calling 703 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: people and bugging them. But sure, it's delightful. I've been 704 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: on the phone with you. You're great to talk to 705 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: on the phone. And saying that again to each their own. 706 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what it's like to 707 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: be on the receiving end of one of my blab fests. 708 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: But Hank is in medical school right now, nursing school 709 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: and going through just all kinds of rigorous learning while 710 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: just trying to survive in the world, and you know, 711 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,280 Speaker 1: get some work done as well, and make some money 712 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: all the things. And Hank expressed the concept. I'm just 713 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,479 Speaker 1: gonna read the quote here. As I get older, things 714 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: are starting to get weirder, it seems, and then weirder, 715 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's a feeling that many of us 716 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: probably share of the world just seems to be lesson 717 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: less and less concrete when it comes to what we 718 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: think and believe, maybe what we both take us fact 719 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: and it does feel like there's a direct match to 720 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: the Internet. It's again a larger topic we've discussed many 721 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: a time. But the third thing that Hank mentioned really 722 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 1: kind of fits that theme when he states that all 723 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: of the science fiction stuff is really just storytelling over 724 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, the course of thousands of years with humanity. 725 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: When it comes to myths and beasts and curses and 726 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: demons and unidentified aerial phenomenon and all this stuff aliens 727 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: and angels and all that, it just feels like we 728 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: put different names on it over those thousands of years, right, 729 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: the same kind of concepts and idea is and observations. 730 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: Um Again, correct me if I'm wrong, Hank, But it 731 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: seems like you just are looking for an episode that 732 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: discusses maybe the connections between a lot of those things 733 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: and how maybe a lot of it has been whatever 734 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: the prevailing government or religion or power has been kind 735 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: of cooking up behind closed doors, like these instances of 736 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: technology that do seem magical and are beyond our understanding, 737 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: but in reality, it's all mundane stuff being created by 738 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: the people who have the most access two resources in 739 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 1: people's time. Yeah, yeah, man, We've got some episodes you 740 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: can listen to in the meantime while we're working on 741 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,439 Speaker 1: this one. Hank, check out Religious Syncretism. I can't remember 742 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: if there's a full episode on it, but we talked 743 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: about a lot. That's an example. Uh. In a lot 744 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: of UFO or folklore episodes that we've done, you'll hear 745 00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: us talking about how the stories of the fae or 746 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: the fair folk abducting children, all the changeling stories, they 747 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: are beat by beat the same thing as alien abduction stories. Right, 748 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,399 Speaker 1: once you get past the cultural specificity, the plot is 749 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: the same. That's why Rip van Winkle can be read 750 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: as an alien abduction. Right. So the question then becomes 751 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: are these all based on some grain of truth which 752 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: is pretty excited or are people sort of telling the 753 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: same stories repeatedly. That's where you see people like the 754 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: author of The Golden Bow, Uh Frasier, and then people 755 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: like Joseph Campbell Uh, the author of Hero with a 756 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: Thousand Faces. That's where you see them talking about the 757 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're describing. People are as smart thousands, thousands 758 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: of years ago as they are in the present day. 759 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: They're explainers right, their categorizers. They seek patterns the same 760 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: way that other living things seek food. So it shouldn't 761 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: be surprising. It's not always necessarily stuff they don't want 762 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: you to know, but it is fascinating, especially when you 763 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: see the parallel thinking and you see the way that 764 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: these stories interconnect. And you know what, No, let me 765 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: correct myself, Matt and and Hank, there is a bit 766 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: of conspiracy to it, especially when you get to the 767 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: idea of power structures. Stories can be used as a 768 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: means of control. That's that's on a micro and macro 769 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: cosmic level. For instance, consider you know why are so 770 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: many terribles and fables for children there to control the 771 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: behavior of the children, usually to protect them, right, like 772 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: don't go out in the woods because of this made 773 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: up you know, the band or blumbler snatch or whatever. 774 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm just making that one up because band or snatches alreadything. 775 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,400 Speaker 1: So the band is blumber Snatch will get you if 776 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: you go into woods, because your parents don't really want 777 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,479 Speaker 1: to tell you, like there are ugly people out there 778 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 1: who are disturbed, might hurt you. You know. They don't 779 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: want to scare the kid too much, but they want 780 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: to scare them a little. And then at the macro 781 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: cosmic thing, you know, consider we mentioned this in previous episode. 782 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: Consider the Catholic Church. They arrive in Latin America, They 783 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: arrive in different parts of the world that already have 784 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: their own rich, very deep, very old spiritual belief systems, 785 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: and they found that they could exert control on the 786 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 1: populace and the hearts and minds part of their wars 787 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,919 Speaker 1: or invasions by religious syncretism by saying, you know what, 788 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: you know who that that old Mountain God is that 789 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: you propitiate. It's actually this saint. We're not converting you. 790 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: It turns out you've been Christian all along, you know 791 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: what I mean? Uh this and yeah, yeah, this melding 792 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: of ideas, it can also happen organically, you know, and 793 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,439 Speaker 1: they're they're really beautiful aspects to it. So I don't 794 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: want to make it always seem like a weapon of 795 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: war and conquests. But but yes, I think that would 796 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 1: be I'm not sure where that episode would go, but 797 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: it would be a hell of a ride to go 798 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: on together. So hope that is. I hope that interests 799 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists as much as it obviously interests 800 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 1: Hank and hopefully you, Matt and me as well. I 801 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 1: can't wait to break out my folklore books. I can't 802 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: wait for you to break them out either. Like, you know, stuff, 803 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: this is all old beans, I'm saying, old beans? Now? 804 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: Is that working? Does that land? Old beans? O? Man? Hey? Uh? 805 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: Old the old beans was the thing? Old beans is 806 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: now new old beans? That this is good? Wait? What goods? 807 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: You used old beans a while back? I remember this, Yeah, 808 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: the phrase old beans. It's for anybody who's watching the 809 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: video feed. I have some kind of like I think 810 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: going on right now, and they hurt really badly. So 811 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: thank you for bearing with us. I apologize to you 812 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: for any weirdness that may have come across in my 813 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: attempt to continue speaking and thinking while my eyes burn 814 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: like a case idea that was left on the stove 815 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 1: too long. Hey, you got me in the end there. Yes, 816 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 1: I had to throw it in. Nat. Thank you so much, man. 817 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: I know you know we've over the years, we have 818 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,879 Speaker 1: each found ourselves in situations where we want we want 819 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: the show to go on by hook or by crook, 820 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: and so we hope you enjoy listening to this as 821 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: much as we enjoy making it. And folks, we can't 822 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. So thanks to Hank, thanks 823 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:59,439 Speaker 1: to t thanks to Viking, the fog rules it uh 824 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: if you were to take a page from their book 825 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 1: and let us know what's going on in your mind. 826 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:09,799 Speaker 1: Tell us about regional disasters, contamination events, operational incidents in 827 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: your part of the world, whether or not you feel 828 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: like they were given the attention they deserve. Let us 829 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: know what you thought about Hank's ideas. You can tell 830 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: that we're all aboard for them. And let us know 831 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,360 Speaker 1: about the weirdest conversation you've had with law enforcement. What 832 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: did they find in your trunk that you told them 833 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:33,280 Speaker 1: was forces? You know, how did it go? How surreal 834 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: did it get? Because we've got our we've got our 835 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 1: own more stories, but we want to hear yours, so 836 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: try so go ahead and find us online. We got 837 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: a Facebook page. Here's where it gets crazy. Find us 838 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: on YouTube. You can find us on Instagram, and find 839 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: us on Twitter. All the hits. Uh And if you 840 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: don't want to sip those social meds, so I like 841 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,240 Speaker 1: to say, then you can always give us a call 842 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: directly and you might end up on the shows the 843 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: way of this episode and call one eight three three 844 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 1: st d w y t K. When you call in, 845 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: give yourself a cool nickname. Will drot it down. And 846 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: remember next time you call heads up, we do see 847 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: your number. It's a voicemail system and we might call 848 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: you back, so be aware of that. Uh pare yourself 849 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: say some things into a mirror at night. Three candles required. Um, 850 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: you've got three minutes with each candle because there's very 851 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: special one minute candles that the whole system comes with. 852 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,399 Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. Um. When you call in, please 853 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,400 Speaker 1: do give yourself a cool nickname. That'll just help us 854 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,799 Speaker 1: remember you when you call in the next time and 855 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,959 Speaker 1: you've got three minutes, say whatever you'd like. We'd we'd 856 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: love to hear your opinion on anything. We want to 857 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 1: hear about new stories that we should be covering. We 858 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: want to hear everything even yes, more broccoli. We want 859 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 1: to hear your ridiculous history and ridiculous romance comments. Continue 860 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: calling in with those. That's totally fine, It totally fine. 861 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: Gotta have you back on that show and that I 862 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,399 Speaker 1: need to do ridiculous news with Mark. By the way, 863 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite choices you and Nol and 864 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: everybody over on that side have made in a long time. 865 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: And not no offense to his his other host. I 866 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't think I know that person. 867 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: I don't know Bill. I know I've met Mark on 868 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: several occasions, and he's hilarious and awesome. Yeah, Mark, Mark's great. 869 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,799 Speaker 1: Mark and Bill are both great. Thanks for that shout out, 870 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: and I know you're not blowing smoke, and we hope 871 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,720 Speaker 1: that you enjoy all the shows we do, from MLK 872 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: to The Ridiculous Slate and on. If you have more ideas, 873 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 1: or if you have a story that doesn't fit into 874 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,799 Speaker 1: three minutes space on on the telephone, then don't feel 875 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: like you have to jump back on and and try 876 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: to write it out as audio chapters. Instead. You don't 877 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,720 Speaker 1: have to addit yourself. You can write the entire story 878 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: the observation down love to hear from you. Attach in 879 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: sillery links, give us some leads. Introduce us to the 880 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,919 Speaker 1: front of that rabbit hole. It will do our best 881 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: to see what's at the bottom. All you have to 882 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: do is drop us a good old fashioned email where 883 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com. Stuff 884 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know is a production of 885 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,440 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 886 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 887 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,800 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.